I just cleared MOC 10 for the first time after pulling Fu Xuan. I didn't even know 0 turn clears were a thing, I'm happy just to barely get 3 stars. Praying for Qingque Eidolons when Jingliu comes out.
Jingliu banner is insane, I'm at E4 with QQ and I'm hoping to get 2 and get her to E6, also only have Tingyun at E1 so I need a lot of her, just need 1 sampo for his E4
Battle of the erudition to decided who is the best erudition Character for now, before the next erudition character argenti that maybe will be the best erudition character
In a 10 attempt format, I'm not surprised at all to see an E6S1 QQ match an E0S1 Seele. With that said, I do think Seele being more consistent is also expected. For some, the consistency will make Seele more appealing, but for others, they may like that QQ is a bit more sporadic. Regardless of preference though, it's good to see an E6 4 star be able to be similarly as capable as a limited character with the same investment. Great video. ♥
Thank you! Yeah Seele for sure was more consistent but there are definitely more ways Qingque could've 0 cycled this one as well - so much variance in her gameplay haha
Basically yea RNG vs consistency. But QQ is more fun to play and have higher ceiling balanced by RnG. While selee is just consistent, tho has lower ceiling.
I mean, 100% "consistency" is pretty much meaningless when both qingque and seele have more than enough dmg to clear moc10 in time for 3 stars in less than a third of the required time
5:03 - "c'mon, that was a pretty clean transition" - it sure was! very nicely edited! i did notice it only cuz by habit i'm checking the energy of characters in between turns, but that was real smooth! great video all in all, i'm still building my QQ so i'm nowhere near her potential - don't even have a good 4pc quantum relics; what's more, i was really unlucky on pulls having only E2, hope to get a couple of copies from the Jingliu banner!... imo this video shows exactly the difference between erudition and hunt... it's like Serval vs Kafka, they're all amazing if you take the care to build them and use them properly...
I was debating on whether to pull for seele on her rerun or not. So this has proven very useful. For now I'll just invest on my QQ and wait until Numby comes out to see it's actual performance with clara
I may be late to the party, but one tip is to use seele’s burst right before her resurgence for the 75% dmg buff too. Her e skill buff was also down once(i think?) in the battle so you miss out on some spd and atk. Great job tho! Nice vid.
You’ve inspired me to work on my qq relics 😂 she’s maxed out with the bp light cone but her crit rate and crit damage are 56/90 … compared to your crit damage waaa time to go farm for better ones ✨
Literally same I’ve been building my qq for a bit and shes gonna be on the next banner so I’m excited to roll for her! Especially since I’m also saving for jingliu so its perfect.
I like the lack of biased here. I hadn't seen any of your videos before, but the transparency, not trying to divert from the facts that QQ is Max Eidolon vs Seele's zero is good. I'm glad to see someone actually giving both characters a fair comparison instead of bashing on one while treating the other, like God's greatest gift to man kind. I'll be leveling up my QQ after this and see what teams I can implement her into. I love Seele, but I don't love how narrow the use of hunt characters is. They do big dmg, but like ... is that really the best strategy? After playing with Nihility so much, I think not. All this to say, thank you. God bless creators who can put their biased aside.
God I love this content. I love how mono preservation is on in the background. Just two questions. How the hell is your seele and Qingque doing so much damage and how well did that mono preservation team work
Haha thank you! Glad you noticed the team in the back :) I spent a lot of time farming the quantum domain and I have no idea how mono preservation worked 😭
happy to make it! and glad to hear you're doing more damage with her now - there's a lot to learn but once you figure it out you unlock a whole new level
I've been converted into the QQ side... Seele was my first 5 star and my first main dps, but since I've built QQ for simulated universe I can't stop playing her. She's stolen ny Seele's artifacts and supports, gambling with my skill points, and taken over my life! And yet I dont want to stop...
yeah same i have both but i found myself loving to play as qingque more, idk like i had more fun, and funnily enough i completed moc 10 with qingque instead of seele lol
im really liking this video, i appreciate the effort you put in to make a controlled and easy to understand test. i also appreciate the full breakdowm of stats at the end. seele vs qingque is especially interesting because as you point out their kits are almost like opposites. i think a lot of ppl recently aee qingque huge damage numbers especially in swarm and they assume she just outdamages seele.
So at 7:40 you could’ve spammed Seele’s ult to queue it before resurgence proc. Witch wouldn’t change things on this run buuuut, if the game wasn’t on x2 speed, there is also a possibility to spam Pella’s ult and then Seele’s ult to queue them BOTH before resurgence proc. This way it would’ve been 0 cycle clear. But it is such niche scenario and unrealistic expectation even from actual Seele main (I constantly forget to do it and just notice own mistakes retroactively). Also evens out QQ getting unlucky twice in a row. In the end of the day it shows that both chars can 0 cycle in a regular team if you really stress it out, but still do it fast if you just relax and play normally. Great showcase as always! Big fan!
thank you! and for pointing that out - yeah in some runs it would've been possible but of course with bronya/sw and other supports you can comfortably 0 cycle with both. dont see many seele mains nowadays but glad to see there are lots out there :)
Thanks for the video! In my opinion the damage distribution,manual entering of dmg data, and dmg over turns seems to need quite a lot of effort and im not sure if the results would be worth it. I think the first two infographics of the general performance, SP used, turns taken would be good enough, and maybe can proceed to make other DPS showdown videos. Good effort though and definitely improvements over the previous video!
hahhhahhahahahhaa you really got me at the transition 😂 good work as always! Artumbo, can I ask you to do a DPS Showdown of Qingque vs Serval? Both with Before Dawn and all...
I enjoy your comparisons! Any plans on doing Kafka vs Jingyuan? they're compared a lot and if im not mistaken Asta+TY are most common team for both of them
It's completely what I expected. At equal Eidolon levels, Seele is stronger (which makes sense because they want you to pull for those rare 5 stars) , but for an average player who likes QQ, investing in her makes for a solid alternative to going broke for Seele eidolons.
great video, this also helped me correct my QQ rotation, honestly i keep running out of SP, I see that having lightspeed supports really help How did u get Tingyun to 176 SPD tho?
You don’t really need to collect every element, most enemies have 3 weakness. But sure, E6 QQ is very strong, just know that erudition F2P lightcones aren’t as good as hunt lightcones. Also If you’re planning to Auto battle MoC in the future, QQ kinda sucks with auto.
From a pull value perspective I would to not go for Seele but if you really like her character then feel free to! She’s still one of the top and future proof just because of how loaded her kit is but definitely not needed
If you ult on QQ right after her enhanced attack, she will still deal damage with her passive bonus. But she indeed will only be able to use the basic attack without passive's bonus. I normally use her ult when I use 4 skills and still didn't get her enhanced attack. This way I use 4 stuck bonus on her ult + enhanced attack with 4 stucks
yep that's the way i always recommend playing her - since her skill stack caps at 4, if you haven't gotten your 4 of a kind yet it's always worth pressing that ult to cash in on the damage and not waste any additional skill points
You miss out on the hidden hand bonus on the ult if you use it after enhanced BA instead of before it, so it depends on if you care more about SP economy or straight DPS
Considering QQ only gets one actual turn while seele gets two because of speed difference, it's pretty impressive that she can 0 cycle with a little bit better luck. Hoping for QQ eidolons in Jingliu banner
I dont think thats something need to consider cause that how Seele play, speedy and multiple turn. Or should we also consider that Seele only does single target while QQ doing AoE dmg in AoE situation now?
@@hulahupjingga No I wasn't talking about seele's own extra turns. Everyone at 134 speed or higher gets one additional turn in first cycle so I think it's impressive she can still pull off zero cycle when many units even with that additional turn might not be able to do zero cycle Especially when compared to other 4* units. Sure, even herta and arlan can zero cycle moc 10 but that usually means using something like 3 harmony to carry their dmg which in normal situation usually isn't ideal and might need some retries for good rng
@@EPE77U he said himself, 1:11 using atk boots kinda better than speed boots. So here you have it Also as you see in QQ run, she still get 2 turn on the first cycle thanks to Tingyun speedbuff from E1 and heckerspace. And its just unreachable without DDD to get another turn, cause you need 200speed even with those tingyun speedbuff
Not denying QQs big damage however it's interesting comparing a e6 4star with 7-11-11-11 to a e0 5star with 6-10-10-9 yet they do similar damage overall. Personally I feel like Seele ends up on top only because of what you said during the damage comparison section -consistent damage throughout with a bit of fall off in the end. Nice video overall. I like the in depth analysis.
Thank you! Yeah Seele is great for her reliability and that’s something to also consider when looking for a damage dealer Also if you’ve ever tried Qingque on auto it’s a pain 😂
As a newer player (started in 1.3) I wasnt sure if I wanted QQ or seele to be my quantum dps. Everyone keeps saying seele got powercrept and an E6 QQ is just as good unfortunately my QQ is still E0, and seele can use the herta shop light cone so im leaning towards picking her up on her rerun regardless if she isnt as good compared to newer dps' Another factor is its hilarious hearing "disappear among the sea of butterflies" over and over again 😂 But once I get QQ eidolons ill probably build and use both as they both have very fun playstyles, one being a literal gacha character and the other manipulating turn order
I started this game almost 1 month ago and got to TL 53. Im conflicted tho.. i pulled for daniel and fu xuan and got them both with 140pulls free to use for future banners. I really dont know if i should pull for Jingliu or Seele. Both are great. Problem is that Jingliu banner is soooo much better than Seele. The character i want the most is Silverwolf tho soooooooo should I pull for seele for the mono quantum or jingliu for the quality of my account? I know "pull who you like" but i like them both equally.. GREAT VID BTW
Thank you! I would say - go for Jingliu. You get the best of both worlds of what you want since you want both her and Seele but you get Qingque eidolons as a consolation prize for not getting seele Still up to you though! If you really like seele a lot more than Jingliu then I’d stick with her :)
I'm playing every day and I've bought all the gem packs once except the $100 so far. I have to assume content creators whale a fair bit more than me cause I only have one fully built team (Blade, Luocha, SW, and QQ) and I'm working on a Kafka DoT team and a Hypercarry Lunae team. Do you have a secret or do you drop a fair bit of cash for pulls/fuel? Loving your content, Qinque is best girl and love to see her damage up there next to Seele
Thank you! Definitely don't recommend it but yeah I am using jades to refresh - trying to build up everyone eventually so that I can test/make showcases (also pvp); once I've gotten most of them up to speed though I'll be toning it down
@@artumbo You are a legend, I unironically watch your videos to take the edge off so I don't hyperwhale myself haha. Cause this game makes me want to drop hundreds but bills get in the way lmaoo
Yeah Im feelin a bit sore. I have both E6 QQ and E0 Seele, overly invested in my Seele and feeling bad cuz i have essentially wasted 1 5* worth of pulls materials and credits went to Seele’s lvl and talents… I WANT MY RESOURCES BACK!
Loved the video! Amazing showdown! I recently got to MoC 9 but I can't win 'cause my Bailu really needs better artifacts :( So I'm gonna farm that and some other artifacts for Daniel IL 'cause he needs them. Actually I need a lot of artifacts hahaha, I need more speed on my supports like Tingyun, more crit dmg on my dps characters and more HP on Bailu 😂😅 Note: Btw, everytime you talk about Fu Xuan I feel more tempted to pull for her 🤣
Thank you! Always happy to see your comment haha So many new characters in 1.4 so just be sure that you want Fu Xuan first! Either way good luck with whoever you're pulling :)
Incredible content, just incredible. The graphs at the end were such a sexy cherry on top, it's insane. Now, I am curious if Seele would have preferred speed boots with that LC. I am wondering if I should save for it for when Seele has her rerun. Rn I'm using sleep like the dead Max investment showdowns are the real deal, so this was epic to watch. Don't wanna just level praise at you, but I genuinely don't know how you could have improved this. I watched it from start to finish, idk what to tell you man 😂
thank you so much! appreciate all the kind comments - i'll keep trying to find ways to improve it :) i don't think her LC is necessary but it's great on a lot of hunts and definitely a big upgrade over sleep like the dead - you still definitely want to use attack% boots with that LC since her skill gives her 25% speed (goes from 115 base to 143 - 28 is 25%) so she already gets 4 stacks. just having a few substats will shoot that up to 150 or even 160 too so you'll really want to maximize her attack hope this helps!
@@artumbo hmm I see. The talent gives her 20% action advance instead of 25%, idk if this makes a difference tho. 138 speed with no speed substats with atk boots. I do worry about skill point management if I go for speed boots tho... 160+ speed Seele with Resurgence extra turns sounds impossible to sustain even if I had 4 additional teammates instead of 3 🤣🤣🤣
I do have to ask though, since i'm building my QQ also and managed to get 51/121 and uses himeko's LC, do i need JY LC or himeko's LC is enough? And also how do you manage to get that insane CR/CD rate 😂
i would use geniuses' repose or s5 breakfast (f2p one) if you have them! i farmed a lot of quantum early on but i'm sure you'll get some crazy relics soon :)
@artumbo 8 gotta say, I’ve not been getting lucky with 4 stars on this special banner. I keep on getting pela, which is fine, but I want at least one lynx and qinque eidolons
If you don’t mind me asking, how much atk is tingyun supposed to have? I’ve seen people recommend up to 2.5k but yours has 1.4K and still seems to perform well so I don’t know what I should do.
He just aiming for speed substat. He use Cdmg body, which could be atk%, +12 hand piece. Using atk% body and maxed out the hand and also higher level Lightcone, you could easily get 2k+ atk. Generally indeed if you want maxed out her atk buff, you want to have 2,5k atk+ while still tanky cause tingyun
Tingyun’s main buff is her ult, which increase damage and gives energy, her attack buff is a second thought imo. Better make her speedy and tankier first to reduce load for your healer, then aim for attack stats.
Speed and tankiness are what I prioritize but if you really want to max out her attack buff it’s around 2500 attack (which means running attack body and orb unfortunately)
One thing that would be interesting to mention: who do you think benefits more from the current MoC buffs and roster? I think that would also be interesting to consider since different characters obviously perform better in different scenarios. And their performance can heavily be influenced by the current MoC buffs.
I think both Qingque and seele benefit a lot - hard to quantify how much each. Seele doesn’t need to worry about aoe since the trotter can just do it for her plus she gets free resurgences by picking off the trotter and weakened enemies from the trotter hits That being said, Qingque being aoe also just lets her take out all enemies including the trotter for free damage
I like both characters. but the cool thing about qingque is that she has so much more possible gameplay sequences than any other character. too much fun like with some other dps you do basically the exact same thing every turn they have. whereas qingque u can adjust to the fight in so many ways
Agreed! Qingque has so much variance that you can pretty much see something new every single time. They did a really good job with her design and I’m happy we all believed in her
Thanks so much for the video. I've been mulling over what to save for these last few days, Seele or Topaz. Seeing how QQ can compete with Seele, I really just wanna pull for Jing Yuan's LC if they rerun it in 1.5 and thus I might just be able to get Topaz too. Very cool.
I would just put this copypasta here I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Qingque. I try to play Seele. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Himeko. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Clara. My Qingque deals more damage. I don't even try to play Herta. I want to play Welt. His best team has Qingque. I want to play Bronya, Tingyun. They both want Qingque. She grabs me by the throat. I farm for her. I buy the Battle Pass for her. I give her "Another Peaceful Day". She isn't satisfied. I give her Gold Speed Boots. "I need more than just Speed" She tells me. "Give me more Skill Points". She grabs Seele and forces her to Basic Attack. "You need to give me more Tiles. I can deal more damage with Mahjong & Eidolons" I can't pull for more Eidolons, I don't have enough Stellar Jades. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs her Fish tiles. She says "Fish tiles, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, AoE Quantum Damage. What a cruel world
Just a small piece of feedback; as a colorblind person, it's impossible for me to tell the difference between which color belongs to Seele or QQ in the DPT chart so in the future, it'd be better if you used two contrasting colors
I like them both though, I only have Qingque in E1 with JY lightcone and the damage difference with Seele is very noticeable with herta's lightcone, and although I want Eidolons I am saving up for Seele's lightcone and HuoHuo as characters.
The hell just happened. after this showcase i immediately went and tried my QQ who was level 51, i gave her all my ascension books and she got 58. Talents: 3-4. Eidolon 4. I gave her some Himeko’s relics and LC and then… she destroyed MOC 9 😐 the hell GIRL IS LEVEL 58 WITH NO TALENTS
00:07:37 small misplay there. You should have spam the ult buttons before the animation ended, probably the 0 cycle was possible (you could have ulted with the resurgence buff on, but I guess you already know that)
yeah it was a super tight window that caught me off guard but just seeing that it's possible with both teams (without silver wolf/bronya) is a good thing!
Someone saying qq’s name properly?! Never thought I’d see the day (No shade toward most ppl; chinese pronunciation can be hard esp once you get tones in the mix)
so does this mean that i can just give Qingque all my Seele relics and have her function like this? My Seele is kinda broken but I would love an AOE high damage dealer like Qinque
i'll definitely look into doing a pre release analysis :) for now tho i can help you individually if you tell me who your main teams are and who you want to focus on
@@artumbo i barely build up a concrete team because I don't have that much time to play the game, but im doing my best to get through the game XD Right now i have clara, seele, fu xuan, jing juan, welt, bronya, kafka, bailu, yanquing and all 4 stars except tingyun PD: ty so much for answering that fast
Oh yesterday I forgot, the only signature lc i have are the one for Clara and yanking, my team right now it's around Clara with a healer but i have no preferences in teams, so any advice will be really good for me right now
I use both, and other 4 star DPS’ses like Sushang and Serval. I feel like it doesn’t matter this MoC, everyone literally clears in 3-4 cycle with Auto lol. The trotters and the fish bombs makes this a lot easier, especially for erudition characters. Seele is very comfortably consistent, even with auto. While QQ can either be extremely satisfying when you got her E4 passive with 4 skill stack and ult, or extremely heartbreaking literally missing everything wasting 4 skill points and not critting. But it doesn’t matter, all of them averages with pretty fast clears anyway. I dare say floor 9 is harder than floor 10.
I'd love to build qingque more, but even since I got her E4, I've tried using her extensively, and I've gotten it to proc around 3 times total, out of maybe 30-40 tries. I get that she does good damage, but my Seele is just more consistent while almost capping her crit rate. It won't stop me from using Qingque as a sub dps in my mono quantum team, but my luck with her ain't it for a hypercarry.
makes sense! if you watch my qingque guide i actually explain her tile and e4 probability - after 3 skill uses you generally have around a 56% chance to get her e4 so you might have been very unlucky
@@artumbo I did watch that video, and yea, It's just my really bad luck for that specifically. I understand why she is good, but I'll stick to my seele who can reliably hit 150k ults with just silverwolf debuff
Just saying, Try using E6 Asta. Def shreed definetely better than asta atk buff, but Asta speed buff might help. Especially if it can push you throught the next speed breakpoint.
I just cleared MOC 10 for the first time after pulling Fu Xuan. I didn't even know 0 turn clears were a thing, I'm happy just to barely get 3 stars. Praying for Qingque Eidolons when Jingliu comes out.
Congrats on fully clearing MoC 10! Big accomplishment :)
Also good luck on Qingque eidolons
True lol, because of Fu Xuan this is also my first time clearing MoC 10 with 3 star.... IN AUTO MODE!!! XD
Jingliu banner is insane, I'm at E4 with QQ and I'm hoping to get 2 and get her to E6, also only have Tingyun at E1 so I need a lot of her, just need 1 sampo for his E4
Imagine how hard moc 11 and 12 is
Can't wait for Quingquillion vs Jingyuallion to prove what is higher
that's actually a good matchup that i might do in the future!
Battle of the erudition to decided who is the best erudition Character for now, before the next erudition character argenti that maybe will be the best erudition character
After that one guy 0 cycled MOC 10 with E0 jing yuan with blade LC(just for stats, no bonus) i think its not a fair match anymore lmao
@@mateuselias6243Yeah it's really unfair for mi- I mean Jing Yuan because Mahjong addict Is just too op
@@cannibalman8175 she's great, but nowhere near op units like fu, luocha, bronya and danny
Timely video considering QQ is featured next banner and Seele gets rerun right after
I was so shocked to hear Seele was getting rerun but I guess it makes sense for all the PS5 players
True nice idea man
In a 10 attempt format, I'm not surprised at all to see an E6S1 QQ match an E0S1 Seele. With that said, I do think Seele being more consistent is also expected. For some, the consistency will make Seele more appealing, but for others, they may like that QQ is a bit more sporadic. Regardless of preference though, it's good to see an E6 4 star be able to be similarly as capable as a limited character with the same investment. Great video. ♥
Thank you! Yeah Seele for sure was more consistent but there are definitely more ways Qingque could've 0 cycled this one as well - so much variance in her gameplay haha
Basically yea RNG vs consistency. But QQ is more fun to play and have higher ceiling balanced by RnG. While selee is just consistent, tho has lower ceiling.
@@invertbrid exactly, crazy that they gave a 4 star such an advanced kit tho haha
Yeah basicly i only have E1 QQ
I mean, 100% "consistency" is pretty much meaningless when both qingque and seele have more than enough dmg to clear moc10 in time for 3 stars in less than a third of the required time
I main QQ and she's one of my favourites (along with Sushang and soon-to-be Jing Liu) - she carries the team as a main dps on her team ❤
glad to see another qingque main! good luck on jing liu :)
5:03 - "c'mon, that was a pretty clean transition" - it sure was! very nicely edited! i did notice it only cuz by habit i'm checking the energy of characters in between turns, but that was real smooth!
great video all in all, i'm still building my QQ so i'm nowhere near her potential - don't even have a good 4pc quantum relics; what's more, i was really unlucky on pulls having only E2, hope to get a couple of copies from the Jingliu banner!...
imo this video shows exactly the difference between erudition and hunt... it's like Serval vs Kafka, they're all amazing if you take the care to build them and use them properly...
thank you, really appreciate your comments and feedback! best of luck on the jingliu banner - hope you get some copies of the gremlin as well :)
I was debating on whether to pull for seele on her rerun or not. So this has proven very useful. For now I'll just invest on my QQ and wait until Numby comes out to see it's actual performance with clara
glad to hear that! good luck on your numby pulls :)
The quality of your videos just keep getting better and better !!
Thank you so much! I appreciate it :)
@@artumbo Should I use both Bronya and Sparkle in her team or do I replace Bronya with Pela-
I remember when the game came out and the general consensus was that qingque was an F tier character but I still mained her from day one!
happy to hear that! you believed in her and it paid off :)
Ma dude is man of dedication
Reminds me of Bennett
I remember those days cause I stopped playing shortly after release and came back recently and was surprised to find QQ rated as high as Seele
I may be late to the party, but one tip is to use seele’s burst right before her resurgence for the 75% dmg buff too. Her e skill buff was also down once(i think?) in the battle so you miss out on some spd and atk. Great job tho! Nice vid.
Love the effort you put into these showdowns and the graphics in the end is a neat addition
Glad to hear that, thank you! I’ll keep doing them :)
Let me know who you're pulling for in 1.4! Jingliu, Topaz, Seele... Guinaifen?
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I’ll go for Seele copes and her signature LC I have the f2p one but I just want hers
Probably Topaz; I do need a good Burn applier for Kafka
I’m pulling jingliu and she is gerented wish me luck to get her early💅🏼✨
@@FireShamBle i feel you, honestly part of why i went for her LC in the first place was cause it was so pretty 😅
@@Riesampei hope you get her early! 10 more days or so is so close
You’ve inspired me to work on my qq relics 😂 she’s maxed out with the bp light cone but her crit rate and crit damage are 56/90 … compared to your crit damage waaa time to go farm for better ones ✨
glad to hear that! im sure you'll get a god roll soon enough :)
Literally same I’ve been building my qq for a bit and shes gonna be on the next banner so I’m excited to roll for her! Especially since I’m also saving for jingliu so its perfect.
Mad dedication with the graphs at the end, dang son, great video
thank you haha
the infographics at the end were really cool!! I loved this video
Glad to hear that, thank you!
I like the lack of biased here. I hadn't seen any of your videos before, but the transparency, not trying to divert from the facts that QQ is Max Eidolon vs Seele's zero is good.
I'm glad to see someone actually giving both characters a fair comparison instead of bashing on one while treating the other, like God's greatest gift to man kind. I'll be leveling up my QQ after this and see what teams I can implement her into. I love Seele, but I don't love how narrow the use of hunt characters is. They do big dmg, but like ... is that really the best strategy? After playing with Nihility so much, I think not. All this to say, thank you. God bless creators who can put their biased aside.
Appreciate it, thanks for sharing your thoughts as well :)
God I love this content. I love how mono preservation is on in the background. Just two questions. How the hell is your seele and Qingque doing so much damage and how well did that mono preservation team work
Haha thank you! Glad you noticed the team in the back :)
I spent a lot of time farming the quantum domain and I have no idea how mono preservation worked 😭
I was also bumped out about the mono-preservation going on in the background.
Ty for all the qingque content, i have noticed that just learning to play her right has caused her dps o go up for me lol
happy to make it! and glad to hear you're doing more damage with her now - there's a lot to learn but once you figure it out you unlock a whole new level
I rewatched that transition because I honestly never saw it 😭
:)
I've been converted into the QQ side...
Seele was my first 5 star and my first main dps, but since I've built QQ for simulated universe I can't stop playing her. She's stolen ny Seele's artifacts and supports, gambling with my skill points, and taken over my life! And yet I dont want to stop...
keep on enjoying the little gremlin :)
yeah same i have both but i found myself loving to play as qingque more, idk like i had more fun, and funnily enough i completed moc 10 with qingque instead of seele lol
im really liking this video, i appreciate the effort you put in to make a controlled and easy to understand test. i also appreciate the full breakdowm of stats at the end.
seele vs qingque is especially interesting because as you point out their kits are almost like opposites. i think a lot of ppl recently aee qingque huge damage numbers especially in swarm and they assume she just outdamages seele.
Appreciate the feedback, thank you! :)
So at 7:40 you could’ve spammed Seele’s ult to queue it before resurgence proc. Witch wouldn’t change things on this run buuuut, if the game wasn’t on x2 speed, there is also a possibility to spam Pella’s ult and then Seele’s ult to queue them BOTH before resurgence proc. This way it would’ve been 0 cycle clear.
But it is such niche scenario and unrealistic expectation even from actual Seele main (I constantly forget to do it and just notice own mistakes retroactively). Also evens out QQ getting unlucky twice in a row. In the end of the day it shows that both chars can 0 cycle in a regular team if you really stress it out, but still do it fast if you just relax and play normally.
Great showcase as always! Big fan!
thank you! and for pointing that out - yeah in some runs it would've been possible but of course with bronya/sw and other supports you can comfortably 0 cycle with both. dont see many seele mains nowadays but glad to see there are lots out there :)
keep it up m8 i love this comparison videos, you can learn a lot from this.
Thanks! Glad to hear that :)
Thanks for the video! In my opinion the damage distribution,manual entering of dmg data, and dmg over turns seems to need quite a lot of effort and im not sure if the results would be worth it. I think the first two infographics of the general performance, SP used, turns taken would be good enough, and maybe can proceed to make other DPS showdown videos. Good effort though and definitely improvements over the previous video!
Appreciate the feedback! Will keep that in mind and yeah it does take a lot more manual work than usual. Glad to do it though :)
Qq win these
let's see if she can keep her streak going!
Qiqi 💀
hahhhahhahahahhaa you really got me at the transition 😂 good work as always! Artumbo, can I ask you to do a DPS Showdown of Qingque vs Serval? Both with Before Dawn and all...
thank youuu
hmm i'll think about that - i might do a serval vs jing yuan sometime soon though!
I enjoy your comparisons! Any plans on doing Kafka vs Jingyuan? they're compared a lot and if im not mistaken Asta+TY are most common team for both of them
glad you're enjoying them and yep i'm definitely planning on doing that sometime soon! :)
@@artumbo I hope u do it right compared to another certain cc
IAM QQ MAIN AND IAM PROUD OF HER.... GLAD TO SEE HER GETTING LOVE SHE DESERVES❤❤❤
With each passing day, there comes new Qingque mains
I’m not poetic
@@artumbo but iam day one QQ main 🤣
Great showdown, glad to see Seele stills works well :D
Thank you! Seele is amazing :)
It's completely what I expected. At equal Eidolon levels, Seele is stronger (which makes sense because they want you to pull for those rare 5 stars) , but for an average player who likes QQ, investing in her makes for a solid alternative to going broke for Seele eidolons.
yeah 5 stars with eidolons are crazy strong
is incredible how Qingque can lash out at a big amount of 5 star dps
she's surprisingly good when she's not lazy 😂
That Qingque pronunciation is really authentic
Thank you! It’s always reassuring to hear that
I don’t know why but my QQ outshine my seele for some reason
great video, this also helped me correct my QQ rotation, honestly i keep running out of SP, I see that having lightspeed supports really help
How did u get Tingyun to 176 SPD tho?
thank you! 4pc hackerspace + lots of speed subs but also 2pc vonwacq gives her that initial action advance which does help a bit
@@artumbo i see, thanks!
if i have E6 QQ would it be better to just use her as the main Quantum DPS or should i pull Seele too?
(assuming i just need 1 DPS for every element)
You don’t really need to collect every element, most enemies have 3 weakness. But sure, E6 QQ is very strong, just know that erudition F2P lightcones aren’t as good as hunt lightcones. Also If you’re planning to Auto battle MoC in the future, QQ kinda sucks with auto.
From a pull value perspective I would to not go for Seele but if you really like her character then feel free to! She’s still one of the top and future proof just because of how loaded her kit is but definitely not needed
If you ult on QQ right after her enhanced attack, she will still deal damage with her passive bonus. But she indeed will only be able to use the basic attack without passive's bonus. I normally use her ult when I use 4 skills and still didn't get her enhanced attack. This way I use 4 stuck bonus on her ult + enhanced attack with 4 stucks
yep that's the way i always recommend playing her - since her skill stack caps at 4, if you haven't gotten your 4 of a kind yet it's always worth pressing that ult to cash in on the damage and not waste any additional skill points
You miss out on the hidden hand bonus on the ult if you use it after enhanced BA instead of before it, so it depends on if you care more about SP economy or straight DPS
Seele: Disappear among the sea of butterflies. Illusions of the past!!
QQ: *hehehe mahjong fish go boom boom!*
Qingque: we ball
Hell yeah, QQ hype!!
qingque mains rise up!
i beg your finest most exquisite pardon that tingyun is absolutely speeding
LOOOL she’s ZOOMING
you know a char is crazy when it's being compared with the top 3 best DPS in the game (being a 4s btw)
I'M ON YOUR CORNER, LETS GO GAMBA QUEEN❤❤
It’ll be a close one!
thanks for explaining why use ult first before enhanced basic great video
Great format, nice graphics, useful. 👍
Thanks for the feedback! Appreciate it :)
I would love to build Qq someday she looks so fun to play with, rn im just focusing on building my Clara
clara is awesome! definitely worth building qingque eventually though you'll have a blast :)
Considering QQ only gets one actual turn while seele gets two because of speed difference, it's pretty impressive that she can 0 cycle with a little bit better luck.
Hoping for QQ eidolons in Jingliu banner
Good luck on getting more copies of her!
I dont think thats something need to consider cause that how Seele play, speedy and multiple turn.
Or should we also consider that Seele only does single target while QQ doing AoE dmg in AoE situation now?
@@hulahupjingga No I wasn't talking about seele's own extra turns. Everyone at 134 speed or higher gets one additional turn in first cycle so I think it's impressive she can still pull off zero cycle when many units even with that additional turn might not be able to do zero cycle
Especially when compared to other 4* units. Sure, even herta and arlan can zero cycle moc 10 but that usually means using something like 3 harmony to carry their dmg which in normal situation usually isn't ideal and might need some retries for good rng
@@artumbo Thanks! As long as I get at least E4, I'm closer to that mono quantum dream team 🙏
@@EPE77U he said himself, 1:11 using atk boots kinda better than speed boots. So here you have it
Also as you see in QQ run, she still get 2 turn on the first cycle thanks to Tingyun speedbuff from E1 and heckerspace. And its just unreachable without DDD to get another turn, cause you need 200speed even with those tingyun speedbuff
Not denying QQs big damage however it's interesting comparing a e6 4star with 7-11-11-11 to a e0 5star with 6-10-10-9 yet they do similar damage overall.
Personally I feel like Seele ends up on top only because of what you said during the damage comparison section -consistent damage throughout with a bit of fall off in the end.
Nice video overall. I like the in depth analysis.
Thank you! Yeah Seele is great for her reliability and that’s something to also consider when looking for a damage dealer
Also if you’ve ever tried Qingque on auto it’s a pain 😂
As a newer player (started in 1.3) I wasnt sure if I wanted QQ or seele to be my quantum dps.
Everyone keeps saying seele got powercrept and an E6 QQ is just as good
unfortunately my QQ is still E0, and seele can use the herta shop light cone so im leaning towards picking her up on her rerun regardless if she isnt as good compared to newer dps'
Another factor is its hilarious hearing "disappear among the sea of butterflies" over and over again 😂
But once I get QQ eidolons ill probably build and use both as they both have very fun playstyles, one being a literal gacha character and the other manipulating turn order
they're both amazing! hope you get more qingque copies :)
My glorious queen qingque strikes again
The lazy Qingque never rests somehow
I started this game almost 1 month ago and got to TL 53. Im conflicted tho.. i pulled for daniel and fu xuan and got them both with 140pulls free to use for future banners.
I really dont know if i should pull for Jingliu or Seele. Both are great. Problem is that Jingliu banner is soooo much better than Seele. The character i want the most is Silverwolf tho soooooooo should I pull for seele for the mono quantum or jingliu for the quality of my account? I know "pull who you like" but i like them both equally..
GREAT VID BTW
Thank you! I would say - go for Jingliu. You get the best of both worlds of what you want since you want both her and Seele but you get Qingque eidolons as a consolation prize for not getting seele
Still up to you though! If you really like seele a lot more than Jingliu then I’d stick with her :)
after watching your videos, i decided to build my e6 qingque. kinda dropped seele because qingque is so much fun 😅
glad to hear you're enjoying her :)
I'm playing every day and I've bought all the gem packs once except the $100 so far. I have to assume content creators whale a fair bit more than me cause I only have one fully built team (Blade, Luocha, SW, and QQ) and I'm working on a Kafka DoT team and a Hypercarry Lunae team. Do you have a secret or do you drop a fair bit of cash for pulls/fuel?
Loving your content, Qinque is best girl and love to see her damage up there next to Seele
Thank you!
Definitely don't recommend it but yeah I am using jades to refresh - trying to build up everyone eventually so that I can test/make showcases (also pvp); once I've gotten most of them up to speed though I'll be toning it down
@@artumbo You are a legend, I unironically watch your videos to take the edge off so I don't hyperwhale myself haha. Cause this game makes me want to drop hundreds but bills get in the way lmaoo
@@EvilEv37 LOOL I feel ya - save that money you'll thank yourself later!
Yeah Im feelin a bit sore. I have both E6 QQ and E0 Seele, overly invested in my Seele and feeling bad cuz i have essentially wasted 1 5* worth of pulls materials and credits went to Seele’s lvl and talents…
I WANT MY RESOURCES BACK!
she's still great! I'm sure she'll have more synergies in the future as well :)
Loved the video! Amazing showdown! I recently got to MoC 9 but I can't win 'cause my Bailu really needs better artifacts :( So I'm gonna farm that and some other artifacts for Daniel IL 'cause he needs them. Actually I need a lot of artifacts hahaha, I need more speed on my supports like Tingyun, more crit dmg on my dps characters and more HP on Bailu 😂😅
Note: Btw, everytime you talk about Fu Xuan I feel more tempted to pull for her 🤣
Thank you! Always happy to see your comment haha
So many new characters in 1.4 so just be sure that you want Fu Xuan first! Either way good luck with whoever you're pulling :)
@@artumbo Thank you! I just made my pulls and she didn't come along so I'll save for Topaz then ❤
Incredible content, just incredible. The graphs at the end were such a sexy cherry on top, it's insane.
Now, I am curious if Seele would have preferred speed boots with that LC. I am wondering if I should save for it for when Seele has her rerun. Rn I'm using sleep like the dead
Max investment showdowns are the real deal, so this was epic to watch.
Don't wanna just level praise at you, but I genuinely don't know how you could have improved this. I watched it from start to finish, idk what to tell you man 😂
thank you so much! appreciate all the kind comments - i'll keep trying to find ways to improve it :)
i don't think her LC is necessary but it's great on a lot of hunts and definitely a big upgrade over sleep like the dead - you still definitely want to use attack% boots with that LC since her skill gives her 25% speed (goes from 115 base to 143 - 28 is 25%) so she already gets 4 stacks. just having a few substats will shoot that up to 150 or even 160 too so you'll really want to maximize her attack
hope this helps!
@@artumbo hmm I see. The talent gives her 20% action advance instead of 25%, idk if this makes a difference tho. 138 speed with no speed substats with atk boots. I do worry about skill point management if I go for speed boots tho... 160+ speed Seele with Resurgence extra turns sounds impossible to sustain even if I had 4 additional teammates instead of 3 🤣🤣🤣
For real, this is the quality i love to see! Thank you for the hard work (*≧∀≦)ゞ
Appreciate the kind words, thank you so much! :)
Can you please make colours on graphs distinguishable? It is very hard to see
Will do
Super interesting video!
Glad you think so!
Next will be test Hook vs Topaz.
oof that'll be a fun matchup
i wonder how well hook will hold up against a limited 5 star dps
@@artumbo i wait also for guide about build hook... searching everywhere and i guess she need refresh.
Would love to see the difference in Seeles performance when she uses Rutilent Arena instead of Salsotto
It’ll come down to substats but generally Rutilant is better - I just have a bad set 😭
The crucial deciding factor for me: I don’t have seele
That’s fair LOOL
I do have to ask though, since i'm building my QQ also and managed to get 51/121 and uses himeko's LC, do i need JY LC or himeko's LC is enough? And also how do you manage to get that insane CR/CD rate 😂
i would use geniuses' repose or s5 breakfast (f2p one) if you have them!
i farmed a lot of quantum early on but i'm sure you'll get some crazy relics soon :)
Is Qinque only good with eidolon levels?
she's still good without them but she definitely gets stronger with them (especially e4 and e6)
@artumbo 8 gotta say, I’ve not been getting lucky with 4 stars on this special banner. I keep on getting pela, which is fine, but I want at least one lynx and qinque eidolons
great vids bro. I have been parking seele and not using her for a while now hahaha
thank you! yeah i've sort of used her less than before but remembered just how fun she is :)
If you don’t mind me asking, how much atk is tingyun supposed to have? I’ve seen people recommend up to 2.5k but yours has 1.4K and still seems to perform well so I don’t know what I should do.
He just aiming for speed substat. He use Cdmg body, which could be atk%, +12 hand piece.
Using atk% body and maxed out the hand and also higher level Lightcone, you could easily get 2k+ atk.
Generally indeed if you want maxed out her atk buff, you want to have 2,5k atk+ while still tanky cause tingyun
Tingyun’s main buff is her ult, which increase damage and gives energy, her attack buff is a second thought imo. Better make her speedy and tankier first to reduce load for your healer, then aim for attack stats.
Speed and tankiness are what I prioritize but if you really want to max out her attack buff it’s around 2500 attack (which means running attack body and orb unfortunately)
@@artumbo would something like speed boots and hp body+orb be too much or is it fine?
One thing that would be interesting to mention: who do you think benefits more from the current MoC buffs and roster?
I think that would also be interesting to consider since different characters obviously perform better in different scenarios. And their performance can heavily be influenced by the current MoC buffs.
I think both Qingque and seele benefit a lot - hard to quantify how much each. Seele doesn’t need to worry about aoe since the trotter can just do it for her plus she gets free resurgences by picking off the trotter and weakened enemies from the trotter hits
That being said, Qingque being aoe also just lets her take out all enemies including the trotter for free damage
@@artumbo And where is 200% dmg from basic atk my friend? I can understand your agenda behind this but trying to hide it so much is funny.
Peak content btw, keep going
Appreciate it! Will do :)
that transaction is🤯
😎😎
Great video, love QueenQue so much..
Thank you!! I love both Queenque and Seele :)
I like both characters. but the cool thing about qingque is that she has so much more possible gameplay sequences than any other character. too much fun
like with some other dps you do basically the exact same thing every turn they have. whereas qingque u can adjust to the fight in so many ways
Agreed! Qingque has so much variance that you can pretty much see something new every single time. They did a really good job with her design and I’m happy we all believed in her
Ayo two most famous Qinque mains exchanging qinque wisdom 👀👀👀 haha
Thanks so much for the video. I've been mulling over what to save for these last few days, Seele or Topaz. Seeing how QQ can compete with Seele, I really just wanna pull for Jing Yuan's LC if they rerun it in 1.5 and thus I might just be able to get Topaz too. Very cool.
awesome to hear that and glad i could help! best of luck and hope you get topaz :)
Definitely the Xiangling of HSR
Xiangling even now is the best off field pyro applicator which is crazy
I shall always support the Church of Qingque 😂❤❤❤
glad to see lots of qingque enjoyers nowadays haha
I would just put this copypasta here
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Qingque. I try to play Seele. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Himeko. My Qingque deals more damage. I try to play Clara. My Qingque deals more damage. I don't even try to play Herta. I want to play Welt. His best team has Qingque. I want to play Bronya, Tingyun. They both want Qingque.
She grabs me by the throat. I farm for her. I buy the Battle Pass for her. I give her "Another Peaceful Day". She isn't satisfied. I give her Gold Speed Boots. "I need more than just Speed" She tells me. "Give me more Skill Points". She grabs Seele and forces her to Basic Attack. "You need to give me more Tiles. I can deal more damage with Mahjong & Eidolons"
I can't pull for more Eidolons, I don't have enough Stellar Jades. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs her Fish tiles. She says "Fish tiles, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, AoE Quantum Damage. What a cruel world
W copypasta
Why pela instead of bronya?
bronya and silver wolf would make this a 0 cycle showcase so i banned them - forgot to mention that in the video 😅
The video in a nutshell: play what you like peace ❤
Enjoy the game :)
Wouldn’t it be hypothetically better to use the same relics between the two? Because they use the same set?
it would but their crit ratios would be completely off since seele's LC gives crit rate and qingque's LC gives crit damage
@@artumbo I see
@@normalpersonlivingtheirlife ideally I would’ve given them two non crit LC’s but oh well
Just a small piece of feedback; as a colorblind person, it's impossible for me to tell the difference between which color belongs to Seele or QQ in the DPT chart so in the future, it'd be better if you used two contrasting colors
Sounds like you're running some 3 star light cones there buddy.
Will definitely keep that in mind! Apologies for not thinking of that but I’ll try to use contrasting colors for those kinds of charts from now on
Thats the power of math baby!
power of the gamba
I like them both though, I only have Qingque in E1 with JY lightcone and the damage difference with Seele is very noticeable with herta's lightcone, and although I want Eidolons I am saving up for Seele's lightcone and HuoHuo as characters.
Best of luck with your pulls!
The hell just happened. after this showcase i immediately went and tried my QQ who was level 51, i gave her all my ascension books and she got 58. Talents: 3-4. Eidolon 4. I gave her some Himeko’s relics and LC and then… she destroyed MOC 9 😐 the hell GIRL IS LEVEL 58 WITH NO TALENTS
LOOOL she’s surprising eh?
00:07:37 small misplay there. You should have spam the ult buttons before the animation ended, probably the 0 cycle was possible (you could have ulted with the resurgence buff on, but I guess you already know that)
yeah it was a super tight window that caught me off guard but just seeing that it's possible with both teams (without silver wolf/bronya) is a good thing!
Someone saying qq’s name properly?! Never thought I’d see the day
(No shade toward most ppl; chinese pronunciation can be hard esp once you get tones in the mix)
Haha thank you!
Yeah a lot of words in Chinese are really hard to pronounce if you’re not a native speaker
jingliu has qinque part as her banner :)
gonna be a crazy banner for all the jingliu and qingque wanters!
I had selee so didnt bother building qq until swarm disaster. Now i know how fun gambling with QQ is.
I’ll confidently say that Qingque in swarm with propagation is simultaneously the most broken and fun thing in the game!
I really like your content.
Glad to hear that!
Would rutilent be better for qq compared to salsoto?
it would! i just have really bad luck with rutilant and my salsotto set was better
i’m actually starting to regret having Seele it’s like she does so much damage with so little investment so little work
so does this mean that i can just give Qingque all my Seele relics and have her function like this? My Seele is kinda broken but I would love an AOE high damage dealer like Qinque
you could yes!
can you made update showdown with Sparkle?
I just wanna ask if we use Silver Wolf instead of Pela, then is there any big difference compared to each situation?
it would become a 0 cycle for both after a couple attempts
Hoping I get QQ's eidolons when I pull for Jingliu. QQ with E4 seems fun af.
Good luck on the Jingliu banner!
I saw Qingque, I press like
Let’s goooo
I already have her E4... unleveled though... haha. Going to pull on Jingliue banner for QQ copies to get that e6 HOPEFULLY!
E4 is already amazing! Hope you get her E6 on the banner :)
Wait I’m more interested in the mono preservation in MoC? Who’s doing the damage 😂
The trotter is 😭😭
@@artumbo LMAOOO 🤣🤣 that’s smart tho 👏🏻😂
You will do a comparison of the new characters? Idk who it's better to pull for a long term investment and I'm really really lost right now XD
i'll definitely look into doing a pre release analysis :)
for now tho i can help you individually if you tell me who your main teams are and who you want to focus on
@@artumbo i barely build up a concrete team because I don't have that much time to play the game, but im doing my best to get through the game XD
Right now i have clara, seele, fu xuan, jing juan, welt, bronya, kafka, bailu, yanquing and all 4 stars except tingyun
PD: ty so much for answering that fast
Oh yesterday I forgot, the only signature lc i have are the one for Clara and yanking, my team right now it's around Clara with a healer but i have no preferences in teams, so any advice will be really good for me right now
I use both, and other 4 star DPS’ses like Sushang and Serval. I feel like it doesn’t matter this MoC, everyone literally clears in 3-4 cycle with Auto lol. The trotters and the fish bombs makes this a lot easier, especially for erudition characters. Seele is very comfortably consistent, even with auto. While QQ can either be extremely satisfying when you got her E4 passive with 4 skill stack and ult, or extremely heartbreaking literally missing everything wasting 4 skill points and not critting. But it doesn’t matter, all of them averages with pretty fast clears anyway. I dare say floor 9 is harder than floor 10.
I agree, Kafka with the Sanctus Medicus dude on any moc is still terrifying - just so much incoming damage
I'd love to build qingque more, but even since I got her E4, I've tried using her extensively, and I've gotten it to proc around 3 times total, out of maybe 30-40 tries. I get that she does good damage, but my Seele is just more consistent while almost capping her crit rate. It won't stop me from using Qingque as a sub dps in my mono quantum team, but my luck with her ain't it for a hypercarry.
makes sense! if you watch my qingque guide i actually explain her tile and e4 probability - after 3 skill uses you generally have around a 56% chance to get her e4 so you might have been very unlucky
@@artumbo I did watch that video, and yea, It's just my really bad luck for that specifically. I understand why she is good, but I'll stick to my seele who can reliably hit 150k ults with just silverwolf debuff
Nice video.
Thanks!
Just saying, Try using E6 Asta. Def shreed definetely better than asta atk buff, but Asta speed buff might help. Especially if it can push you throught the next speed breakpoint.
Yeah I can definitely try using asta next time! I’ll rotate through supports for each showdown :)
Qq is our Queen
the battle of the queens