many are saying that my "PS3 is worse than normal" or perhaps it is "struggling" or "on the verge of death", and that "the framerate doesn't usually run this badly"; they might have a point watch the full playthrough here, streamed from my dying fat ps3 th-cam.com/play/PLqXvBjCOY-ktlLwhN4nFrfuVrNai3Djc1.html
Yeah, normally it takes like 3 seconds if I remember correctly on PS3 to load the D-Link... not seven! Also I don't remember the game suddenly interrupting gameplay with a loading animation before activating commands like seen at 2:00. Even on PS3 I don't remember that at all. If it did that, I bet that Biskit video of things that needed to be fixed in an update/the PS4 port would have had a clip of that loading time, in addition to the main complaint for Kingdom Hearts II Drive Forms where the gameplay is most affected by the loading time.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but if it wasn't a clean slim, or a fat that's really clean... it definitely runs like this. Shoot, that and the optimization, remember skyrim on the ps3? The optimization of the ram the way it functioned, as well as how the game is optimized made it run horribly. The ps3 was a good looking console, but it's far from the ps4 and ps5. This coming from an xcuck, pc, switch fan boy 😂
It means the battery already broke or just ran out of battery,you will need to buy a new battery for it,is like a disc type battery,like the ones in real clocks that are non digital@@ntrg3248
@@drakematsen4978moron it's saying that 1000 heartless would've been hell if kh2 was made as a ps3 game with ps3 graphics since every ps3 game usually ran like ass
I distinctly remember 2FM on this collection having issues loading drives and how it wouldn't buffer the enemies properly while loading so people would pause the game and wait for the disc to stop spinning so they wouldn't get rushed while changing
I'm 99% sure it wasn't. In all my playthroughs, all the playthroughs and speedruns I watched back then, all the reviews and discussions, I have no recollection of any performance issues outside of the long loading times. His PS3's gotta be really struggling.
27:30 I know that’s just the normal pause message, but him going “what??” right before makes it look like even the game was confused on wtf happened there 😂
Despite the original versions of KH2FM AND BBSFM running smoothly on native hardware (the psp especially), it's so sad to see Square Enix just not trying on this port.
well the theory is because of music licensing they couldn't download the game to the PS3 why people think this is because you can't buy this game digitally on PS3
It's mainly due to the architecture of the PS3 being so specific that games not made with that architecture in mind just don't run as well as they should. Since these games were on PS2 and PSP, they would basically needed to have remade them for them to run better on PS3. So glad the PS4 versions work so much better
@@KagedStormThat is not the reason, the reason they run bad on the PS3 in comparison to the PS2 and PSP is that they didn't care about optimizing the remastered assets AT ALL, which is why the PS3 struggled to run it, and why the PS4 was way more capable of running it. Said lack of optimization was also the reason they couldn't put the 1.5 and 2.5 ports on Switch, so they went with Cloud versions instead.
@@joa6336really? my psp can run BBSFM and Agito just fine and it's a 5 years old psp even, you must be running it on a PSP1000 without data install or smth
BOI the memories of playing this version are coming back i loved that i finally for once had a way to play many kh games on a single console, being in too many consoles is what made difficult for me to understand the series....
i guess we can be grateful that BBS at least freezes everything when linking while KH2 sora just floats there thrusting out while the boss zips around confused as to what demonic power is causing this
The I/O bottleneck in this version was insane, though I don't remember my load times being this bad, maybe because my PS3 was jailbroken and I was playing from usb instead of disk
A lot of the load times were because the game couldn't be installed on PS3, that's why PS4 load times are basically inexistent. The games couldn't even be patched for the same reason and that's also why the full collection had a day 1 patch when it came out. Even the PSP version has faster load times since it had an optional data install.
@marcosv.r5261 You could install PS3 games to the internal hard drive. MGS4 did that back in 2008. For whatever reason, Square Enix thought the PS3's slow blu-ray drive would be fast enough.
31:40 hear me out, maybe the reason it doesnt crash is because its why guard just doesnt work right in this version and just fails to load right allowing it to not do what ever it does to crash
Having played the entirety of the PS3 version, I can say for sure it wasn’t nearly as bad for me. Though I did notice the D-Link animation for normal commands.
So i kind of want point out, watching the gameplay compilation in non 60fps did not visually show the cracks, which told me that square saw this in pretty crappy quality said it looked good and rushed it out the door
I have no idea why it's even this bad. The games aren't that graphically intensive. I can't even tell if it's the console or the port job, but I'm inclined to say the latter
@@cryguy0000 The games utilise the PS2 Classics and PSP Remaster emulators with patched ISOs afaik, which would explain the performance issues The same isn't true for 1.5 tho, I think
This game has some serious issues on PS3, but I don't remember it being NEARLY this bad. It may be that your system needs new thermal paste, especially with the fan being as loud as it is.
Can confirm. I think the only noticeable loads on PSP were for area or cutscene transitions (and possibly entering Mirage Arena?), and they were totally inoffensive.
The best thing about this video is that I can hear your ps3 being in takeoff mode thru ur mic. XD Somehow its soothing. Like, nostalgic. Tho mine comes from the ps2 era cuz my ps2 sounded like that back when I was playing KH1 and 2.
I only have this port of bbs to play on my ps3 and during that fight in the secret episode against the heartless my ps3 crashed when aqua tried to sylechange, I had to turn off my ps3 and wait him analyze if there was something corrupted on his storage
It’s funny how these versions were how I first got into KH as a franchise. Took me playing them on PS4 for me to truly appreciate them once I could play them at a decent frame rate lmao
Thanks for the video Sham unfortunately I am a victim of ps3 BBS currently in therapy after trying to platninum that and ps3 Star Ocean.. I didn't have a ps4 at the time and I liked the psp version.
Yeah I've sadly only ever played the ps3 port of BBS and i've never had it need to load before i used a command, and while d links still took way longer then they should it was still a small bit faster then this. Also have had no where near that bad lag from those large group unversed.
From what I hear, it's due to the large amount of information stored on a Blu-Ray disc, it may take some time for discs to load. While its usually alleviated by installing the data to the console itself, Square-Enix for some reason decided not to give the PS3 compilations that option. So all load times in both the KH and FFX/X-2 HD games are incredibly slow. D-Link's, drives, screen transitions, etc.
Strangely enough Kingdom Hearts already had a data install option on the Japanese version of KH1 and on BBS for PSP. Easily would have saved these games on PS3 but they decided against it.
I hacked my PS3 at one point just so I could dump 2.5 to the HDD so I didn't have to deal with the loading times. To be fair it did work - the Game didn't have any of the loading issues you normally get in any of the games and I remember the frame rate being much more consistent.
I've played UNDUB patch on super slim and haven't really noticed any loads mid-battle, not even long Link animations. Though frame drops and loading times do suck ass.
many are saying that my "PS3 is worse than normal" or perhaps it is "struggling" or "on the verge of death", and that "the framerate doesn't usually run this badly"; they might have a point
watch the full playthrough here, streamed from my dying fat ps3 th-cam.com/play/PLqXvBjCOY-ktlLwhN4nFrfuVrNai3Djc1.html
Yeah, I can confirm this too. I had multiple ps3, the one that died while I was playing (gpu just fused) had worse performance beforehand
Yeah, normally it takes like 3 seconds if I remember correctly on PS3 to load the D-Link... not seven! Also I don't remember the game suddenly interrupting gameplay with a loading animation before activating commands like seen at 2:00. Even on PS3 I don't remember that at all. If it did that, I bet that Biskit video of things that needed to be fixed in an update/the PS4 port would have had a clip of that loading time, in addition to the main complaint for Kingdom Hearts II Drive Forms where the gameplay is most affected by the loading time.
Yeah, I hate to say it, but if it wasn't a clean slim, or a fat that's really clean... it definitely runs like this. Shoot, that and the optimization, remember skyrim on the ps3? The optimization of the ram the way it functioned, as well as how the game is optimized made it run horribly. The ps3 was a good looking console, but it's far from the ps4 and ps5. This coming from an xcuck, pc, switch fan boy 😂
As a ps3 user my game always stopped for a few seconds when I used d-links
Funny enough the D-Link lag carried over from the PSP version. It's just always been a thing with BBS
I don’t know why it’s funny to me, but hearing the fan of the ps3 in the background when it’s quiet cracks me up
RIGHT BDFJTAGUD
SAME LMAO
This absolutely sent me
2.5 was so good it managed to repIicate reaI PSP frame-drops and Ioad times on PS3, truIy immersive
Okay even the psp has better load times and less fps drops than this sorry excuse for a port was
as someone that 100% both versions the ps3 version runs significantly worse
Also, D-Links on PSP were way faster to load
PSP load times were better across the board for BBS
PSP installed version >>>> PS3 Remix
My favorite part about the PS3 thinking it’s 2013 is that 2.5 didn’t come out until 2014
That boy stuck in time.
My old Xbox 360 was in a constant loop of thinking it was 2005, even though I fixed it a bunch of times
Same
It means the battery already broke or just ran out of battery,you will need to buy a new battery for it,is like a disc type battery,like the ones in real clocks that are non digital@@ntrg3248
D-Linking always felt like the PlayStation was checking something by an internet connection or something lol
“Ah shit he’s calling Snow White, better start the preparations”
@@SandwitchZebrasomeone said praying to anyone on a Dlink takes a minute to kick in 😂
so true, it's like the character was trying to call someone through the wifi and had trouble connecting at first
Typically, if you try to connect to someone across the cosmos it would take a while.
My favorite part was when Zack went "I am Zack, blade of Shinra, and I have never known defeat" and then used Waterfowl Dance on Terra
Cloud version: look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
LMFAO😂
No… not that version running better than this…
That's what I play, I thought I had it the worst 😂
@@Noheart-13x*bruv is that xehanort*
@@theguyatgamestop Darkness.
Good to see BBS in a clean 20fps. That ps3 fan noise in the background is sadly nostalgic
PS4 is as loud if not louder than the fat PS3
I like my PlayStations nice and thick.
My PS4 Pro is even louder. I have to play with headphones otherwise I can barely hear the game I'm playing.
@@pikachu896 Hey, thanks for your Traverse Town theme upload. I commented on it not too long ago, it's very nostalgic.
@@SeiyaTempest You're welcome :)
The 1000 heartless fight would not have been in kh2 if it was on the ps3
That's crazy cause it's true
@@thugnificentthe4th366And it's true even though it shouldn't be
Except it literally is? 2.5 is on PS3...
@@drakematsen4978moron it's saying that 1000 heartless would've been hell if kh2 was made as a ps3 game with ps3 graphics since every ps3 game usually ran like ass
But it is
See, I remember the D-links requiring a load time, like the drive forms for KH2, but I do not remember that frame-rate. Lord that's amazing.
I also don't remeber loading commands. That's absolutely ridiculous
It could also be the age of the console adding to the issue too.
Same here honestly, drive forms sometimes took upwards of an entire minute to load
I was thinking " this gameplay looks normal, why is Sham complaining about the frame rate? "
And then I realized I'm playing the video at 1.5 speed
5:54 "I have to go now. My planet needs me."
Terra died on the way back to his home planet
I distinctly remember 2FM on this collection having issues loading drives and how it wouldn't buffer the enemies properly while loading so people would pause the game and wait for the disc to stop spinning so they wouldn't get rushed while changing
Jesus I do not remember this port being this bad
2.5 in general was just wack on PS3
I'm 99% sure it wasn't. In all my playthroughs, all the playthroughs and speedruns I watched back then, all the reviews and discussions, I have no recollection of any performance issues outside of the long loading times. His PS3's gotta be really struggling.
I do. Especially in kh2
@@the_echoYTNope. The game was terrible on all PS3s. Pretty sure there were a few patches for it, but was still bad in the end.
Ngl nev had these problems playing 1.5 or 2.5 on the ps3 mayb a crash every once in a while but pretty much it
27:30 I know that’s just the normal pause message, but him going “what??” right before makes it look like even the game was confused on wtf happened there 😂
Despite the original versions of KH2FM AND BBSFM running smoothly on native hardware (the psp especially), it's so sad to see Square Enix just not trying on this port.
well the theory is because of music licensing they couldn't download the game to the PS3 why people think this is because you can't buy this game digitally on PS3
It's mainly due to the architecture of the PS3 being so specific that games not made with that architecture in mind just don't run as well as they should. Since these games were on PS2 and PSP, they would basically needed to have remade them for them to run better on PS3. So glad the PS4 versions work so much better
@@KagedStormThat is not the reason, the reason they run bad on the PS3 in comparison to the PS2 and PSP is that they didn't care about optimizing the remastered assets AT ALL, which is why the PS3 struggled to run it, and why the PS4 was way more capable of running it.
Said lack of optimization was also the reason they couldn't put the 1.5 and 2.5 ports on Switch, so they went with Cloud versions instead.
BBS running smoothly on the PSP? Lmao, that game had massive framefrops.... And understandably so, it pushed the hardware to its limits
@@joa6336really? my psp can run BBSFM and Agito just fine and it's a 5 years old psp even, you must be running it on a PSP1000 without data install or smth
Thank god its better optimized nowadays on the current consoles.
I remember the old days of buffering things by pausing
this is how i image how the KH games would run on switch if it wasn’t on cloud
Playing the entirety of ventus story on switch was actually decent
Isn't BBS on a hacked Switch with PPSSPP actually stable?
@@BiggerK rip the dude that had to pay nintendo for the rest of his life because he sold a modded switch
nah, only KH3
The switch can run hd ps2 games quite well lol.
Last of us ran at this framerate and that was actually a contemporary title
BOI the memories of playing this version are coming back
i loved that i finally for once had a way to play many kh games on a single console, being in too many consoles is what made difficult for me to understand the series....
i guess we can be grateful that BBS at least freezes everything when linking while KH2 sora just floats there thrusting out while the boss zips around confused as to what demonic power is causing this
The I/O bottleneck in this version was insane, though I don't remember my load times being this bad, maybe because my PS3 was jailbroken and I was playing from usb instead of disk
A lot of the load times were because the game couldn't be installed on PS3, that's why PS4 load times are basically inexistent. The games couldn't even be patched for the same reason and that's also why the full collection had a day 1 patch when it came out.
Even the PSP version has faster load times since it had an optional data install.
@marcosv.r5261 You could install PS3 games to the internal hard drive. MGS4 did that back in 2008. For whatever reason, Square Enix thought the PS3's slow blu-ray drive would be fast enough.
I knew this would be an all-time upload once Terra went into the fucking ceiling.
didn't kh speedruns drop by tens of minutes when the ps4 ports came out? it's criminal how launch titles worked better than the ports.
“here’s my impression of mitch mcconnell. “ best part
31:40 hear me out, maybe the reason it doesnt crash is because its why guard just doesnt work right in this version and just fails to load right allowing it to not do what ever it does to crash
Having played the entirety of the PS3 version, I can say for sure it wasn’t nearly as bad for me. Though I did notice the D-Link animation for normal commands.
For normal commands? Oh god
Can confirm it happens on ps4 as well it's just rare and only loads for a split second
So i kind of want point out, watching the gameplay compilation in non 60fps did not visually show the cracks, which told me that square saw this in pretty crappy quality said it looked good and rushed it out the door
This was how I experienced bbs first. It was certainly.. a game
One of the video games ever made
27:03 The noise he made and his failed attempt to escape had me in stitches.
I still have nightmares of how bad KH2.5 was on PS3. Those load times are awful
I have no idea why it's even this bad. The games aren't that graphically intensive. I can't even tell if it's the console or the port job, but I'm inclined to say the latter
@@cryguy0000 The games utilise the PS2 Classics and PSP Remaster emulators with patched ISOs afaik, which would explain the performance issues
The same isn't true for 1.5 tho, I think
@@kokonbiniexplain like I'm 5 and also still not the brightest 5 yo
@@zotanica k so the makers did some magic to make the same old game work on the new thing without having to do much themselves
@@kokonbini ok now actually explain why using he patched ISOs could explainthe performance issues
"here's my impression of Mitch McConnell" took me the fuck out LMAO too funny
Shitty port aside, is it really a Stickman Sham video with commentary if he doesn't go "bitch" after defeating a boss lmao
😂
I still remember how much i had to deal with this
I could go for water and come back for the D-link to activate
This game has some serious issues on PS3, but I don't remember it being NEARLY this bad. It may be that your system needs new thermal paste, especially with the fan being as loud as it is.
2:01 Sham was so flabbergasted that he was sent back 10 years to have little kid gamer rage instead of grown man gamer rage.
I do not remember it being this bad what the hell.
TIL you're not supposed to get forced to the ground in BBS when using certain moves...
Blu-ray-drive-kun is trying his best...
Fucking insane that this was the way I played all the KH games for the first time
I can't get over the psp-ass load times holy shit lol
Next generation gaming at the finest!
Yknow what's funny? PSP BBS actually had BETTER load times.
Can confirm. I think the only noticeable loads on PSP were for area or cutscene transitions (and possibly entering Mirage Arena?), and they were totally inoffensive.
@@gamerkingmayathe064th5only if you install the data beforehand
I still wished they had pulled the camera back in the ps4 version like with DDD.
The best thing about this video is that I can hear your ps3 being in takeoff mode thru ur mic. XD Somehow its soothing. Like, nostalgic. Tho mine comes from the ps2 era cuz my ps2 sounded like that back when I was playing KH1 and 2.
I don’t remember it being so bad, with the exception of D-Link loading.
I only have this port of bbs to play on my ps3 and during that fight in the secret episode against the heartless my ps3 crashed when aqua tried to sylechange, I had to turn off my ps3 and wait him analyze if there was something corrupted on his storage
i just realized aqua is fighting the dark beast from KH2. or atleast a lesser form of it
damn, that is crazy. I never had any issues on my copy of 2.5 on ps3
I came to witness horrendous performance on PS3. I came out with a potential strategy for Mysterious Figure, one that even works with Terra no less.
I have had d-links take forever to load in this version. But I've never seen a basic attack command have to load before.
What if in kh2 when you went to quick run or dodge roll, sometimes youd go into a entering drive form animation while it loaded the roll or quick run
DONT YOU DARE
DONT GIVE NOMURA IDEAS
2.5HD should have had install data similar to PSP or even KH1JP/KHFM in PS2. It's ridiculous square enix never put it in the game.
4:45 bro flew so far he blasted off into space
It’s funny how these versions were how I first got into KH as a franchise. Took me playing them on PS4 for me to truly appreciate them once I could play them at a decent frame rate lmao
I played this on computer and I am happy things weren't like this, never saw any gameplay issue.
It's running worse than usual most likely because of your PS3 lol. It was a crappy port anyway, but it didn't run as bad as this vid
Stop defending THIS excuse for a Port,Square f up with THIS port
At least they tried to port this game instead of fucking handing us a 2 hour movie of the cutscenes.
I want a port of 358/2 days T.T
Thanks for the video Sham unfortunately I am a victim of ps3 BBS currently in therapy after trying to platninum that and ps3 Star Ocean.. I didn't have a ps4 at the time and I liked the psp version.
I don't think it even took that long to load drive forms in 2 on PS3.
want to hear a joke? this was the only version of BBB I got to play
that's not funny - just sad.
my condolences bro
26:24 insert dark impenus music
Jesus I knew I wasn't crazy, the Terra MF fight is broken on the PS3 version! I swear I was getting those same block whiffs.
I saw how bad the drive load times were for kh2 on the ps3, so it shouldn’t have surprised me that the d links were the same thing
"He's trolling me!" no he's terrified
I've never had any of these issues when playing on my PS3, but hey what do I know lol. Great video either way!
I have both versions of birth by sleep (PS3 and PS4) and now looking back at this, the PS3 is a terrible version.
i always wondered what people were talking about when they said D-links had horrible load time now i know what they were talking about
Played this when I was 13 and thought it was normal 💀
4:44 he wanted to leave the worst kh port known to man
Yeah I've sadly only ever played the ps3 port of BBS and i've never had it need to load before i used a command, and while d links still took way longer then they should it was still a small bit faster then this. Also have had no where near that bad lag from those large group unversed.
My frames are fine, the only hang ups are the standard ones of the whole D-Link and Drive Form stuff.
17:00 most telegraphed hit in history thanks to the loading lol
That's the reason i didn't buy the ps3 version, just sticked with 1.5 collection that runs quite smoothly
No wonder I could get nowhere with the big boi bosses on the PS3. It's all hardware's fault, not my skill!
3:05 that was such a delayed spawn rate, they were so late to the party 😭
That intro is insane
Ironically, it seems Birth by Sleep makes the PS3 want to die by sleep
I never had load times or framerate issues THIS bad on 2.5....
That one time they ported a ps2 game and a psp game to the ps3 after the ps4 had been out for a year.
Memories of a forgotten time
I played this version as my first KH game right after KH1, it was an experience
Between this and the PSP version, I'm starting to be glad I didn't get into Kingdom Hearts until after the PS4 version existed.
16:35 I didn't know Vanitas played golf
From what I hear, it's due to the large amount of information stored on a Blu-Ray disc, it may take some time for discs to load.
While its usually alleviated by installing the data to the console itself, Square-Enix for some reason decided not to give the PS3 compilations that option. So all load times in both the KH and FFX/X-2 HD games are incredibly slow. D-Link's, drives, screen transitions, etc.
Strangely enough Kingdom Hearts already had a data install option on the Japanese version of KH1 and on BBS for PSP. Easily would have saved these games on PS3 but they decided against it.
0:46 thank god I stopped after beating Kingdom Hearts 2 on my PS3 and switched to PS4
The fact that the architecture for the PS3 was so terrible that a port of a PSP game struggles on it is both amazing, and baffling.
I'm surprised you were actually able to hit the final blow on Vanitas as Ventus. The game always misses Last Word for me.
I manage to platinum KH2FM on PS3 but the minute I played BBS on PS3 I knew in an instant I wouldn't have the patience to do the same there.
Loud ps3 + Mitch McConnell + low frames = funny
I forgot how slow the ps3 was. I remember playing Sonic Unleashed with ps3.
I hacked my PS3 at one point just so I could dump 2.5 to the HDD so I didn't have to deal with the loading times. To be fair it did work - the Game didn't have any of the loading issues you normally get in any of the games and I remember the frame rate being much more consistent.
I literally just got the plat for this version yesterday
It is TERRIBLE
God I played BBS on my PS3 after my old PSP broke, I swear it wasn't that bad!
Still faster than my PSP reading the UMD disc.
But yeah... for PS3 this is dawg skit...
It's far from unreasonable to expect better.
1:00
"My magnet had to LOAD, bro..."
???Huh??? It looked the same as the PC version to me.
I've played UNDUB patch on super slim and haven't really noticed any loads mid-battle, not even long Link animations. Though frame drops and loading times do suck ass.
One million years praying to Peter Pan LMAO
What's funny is the loading times were fine if you played off a CFW PS3 off the hard drive. Was neato.
Wow, I'm glad that I skipped the PS3 version and waited for the PS4 release!
I remember my copy of bbs was messed up so this was my experience with bbs until the ps4 version
Bruh why does the PS3 version crunch harder than my PSP UMD 🤣💀
I'm sorry for your loss
Mans ps3 is so old it prolly reads ps2 discs