Is Photobashing Cheating? + TUTORIAL !!
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Today I will be answering the question, is Photobashing cheating? I'll also be showing you my process for utilizing photos in my illustrations. I'm a professional artist who lives and works in Los Angeles. I make videos showing and talking about my art process.
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Using photobashing isn't being lazy, it's being clever
"Work smarter, not harder" - someone
Exactly
it is being lazy if you arent capable of producing a similar image by hand and also limits your art to mer images over pure imagination.
if you can do it without photo bashing however then you are indeed being clever
respect the skill is all i say
at this point i've learned to only take artists criticism serious, bc non-artists see using references in the first place as "cheating", no matter if it's photobashing or not.
I have been asked frequently "did you make that yourself or did you look at smth" which really shows you the mentality non artists have. People who aren't artists seem to expect us to do stuff blindly instead of...you know observing the world. Why is it terrible that i looked at a bike reference photo while drawing it? Do I look like a mechanic to you, am I supposed to know how it's built in detail? Am I not allowed to look at stuff?
Nah sorry but most "controversial" stuff is made up empty bullshit. Photobash honestly, it takes skill to make it look good and if you can? You are a good artist, period.
THIS.
Artist using reference while drawing is same as other people using books to enhance their knowledge. So keep grinding.
well actually people who tend to draw from imagination draw from their visual library, basically collection of things they've seen since the very beginning but a manipulated form of it, so they're cheating as well if using a reference is cheating. For example, if someone designs an alien creature, where did those limbs came from? or eyes or tentacles? these ain't their original creation, but basically from visual library even if it's drawn without reference. Although it's a great skill to draw from visual library however there's no need to feel guilty even if you're using reference, or photobashing, custom brushes, 3d overpaint etc, cuz in the end only the output matters.
Photobashing is just a tool to help assist in the creation of the piece. Could you have drawn the leaves on the ground completely from scratch? Yea, but that's not the main focus on the piece. It's no different than using a textured digital brush instead of handdrawing the texture into the piece; you're using technology as a foundation to assist in the creation then adding onto it.
Collages are art, photobashing is like making a collage. So why isn't it art? Photo bashing is another tool that you can use. I thought art didn't have rules, only don't steal and credit the original artist.
photobashing is art it just takes alot less skill as long as that is understood.
slight photobashing for a digital painting is usually fine if its used for a texture too like bricks that would otherwise take HOURS to hand draw
its a real case by case basis. if someones digital painting is terrible without photobashing then its defo cheating but doesnt mean its not art
@@sillyninja65it doesn't necessarily take less skill. Definitely not cheating. Think what you will. You do you
Not only the concept art community, but a lot of manga artists use photobashing for environments, like city scapes
To do Photobashing , you need to be super good with your understanding of light, shade, form, value and composition. So basically you need to be good at art to get there and I don't think it's cheating.
A skill is a skill.. Whole point of a art or artist is to pen down their thought and visualisation. Totally agree with you
you addressed this topic very well!! i never new this method of art existed but now i do and now i support it, you made so many good points. it seems like a great way to save time or incorporate a nice memory into your work. thank you!! 💓
I honestly think photobashing is totally valid!! It’s like multimedia art or collage! for illustration/design i think it’s important to use your own photos as much as possible, but I know that so much stretching and clipping and drawing over happens that even if you use clips of photos that aren’t yours, they’re unrecognizable and a completely new thing by the time your done. And no one sues collage artists for using photos, or says they’re not valid artists 😂
Haha I was thinking the same thing while watching this video. It’s just a digital version of a mixed-media collage!
Thank you!!! When working in the animation industry you are on such tight deadlines. Using techniques like this can really help the piece and convey the concept clearly to art directors and asset teams.
I would even go as far as to say that photobashing is for more advanced artists. Because it doesn't make it easier, just less tedious. BIG difference! You need to master the art skills to make it look good. (perspective, form, color, etc...)
I don't see how it's different than cutting something from a magazine and making a collage. How is that considered art but not this?
It just sounds like 2D texturing technique like adding textures in 3D. I find this very valid.
Also it seems a nice way to study shapes in a graphic design method while maintaining texture. Really dope
I love the self portrait with the photo of your hair. It adds character
heck ya!!! now i love photo bashing.....and i also love your art it is literally so freaking beautiful i always have to stop and stare at it for like 5 minutes as my brain tries to understand how you make it so fluffy and comforting
It was a discovery for me personally that I'm not just a "visual artist" but more specifically I'm a collagist: my instincts really resonate on the interplay between two or more existing things. That's why a blank canvas or blank page are complete non-starters for me creatively - there's nothing for my energies to respond to. It's the old "thesis + antithesis = synthesis" thing. This is true whether I'm making a literal collage (paper or digital), writing stories (combining what I love about past films with some new take of my own), to filmmaking (editing one shot after the other is collaging). It is easy to feel "less-than" compared to someone who can grab a blank slate and fill it completely from their imagination, but the reality is, that's just how we're wired, so go with what works for you. This is not a competition, it's a journey/process/opportunity to discover what works best for you individually, and grow in the ways your heart wants to grow.
I did not know that this was a thing, and I really struggle with texture so I'm going to try this. Thank you for letting know about this.
I think there will always be very orthodox people who want to keep a tradition or practice as it is. In some cases that is valid, sometimes the lines can blur. I feel in art particularly, ultimately it is up to the individual how many mediums they want to incorporate into their piece. And as a form of self expression I think it's wonderful.
I’m 60 years old and have been doing Mixed Media my whole adult life. You’re so young. Mixed Media is a whole genre of art and it takes raw talent to put a piece together and have it turn out pleasing to look at and hopefully stirring up emotions within you.
Literally just found out about photobashing an hour ago and came to TH-cam for an explanation. You explained it so well. Thank you! Thats a sub 😁
As you mentioned, photography in itself is art.
art is art! there's no good or bad art. i have this problem too. if i wanna have an unrealistic scaling i can do that because im the artist. you are free to do anything with your art and i love it :D
I agree with you completely! It is still art!!! Also I really like the illustration! So cute!!!!!🥰
A classmate introduced this idea to me today and for five minutes he explained to me what it was as at first I thought it was cheating. Once he explained it I asked can you use this in Concept Art and he told me that's were it's primarily used. 100% agree with your views.
I do agree with you that photobashing should not be seen as "BAD" as it is seen. It's a very quick way to present concepts, especially when It is required to formulate a completed vision of the idea in a very short of time. To the other hand as well I do understand some artists that criticise those who "use this technique" just to fill a lack of knowledge. Example, there are plenty of people taking pictures, doing selfie and use smudge tool directly on the picture (that's not photobashing), cause unable to have the basic knowledge of construction or anatomy and proclaim themselves as an artist ( I call social fast-food art chain). I believe art is a nice symbiosis of creativity, emotions and knowledge. I do understand you can't have knowledge of everything but shouldn't be an excuse, for example, not be able to draw an arm or a leg even seeing a reference. If I am a photographer I expect myself to have at least the basic knowledge of how the camera works, If I am an oil painter I expect to have a basic knowledge of how a pigment is made and how they interact each other, if I am a fashion designer I suppose to have basic construction and garment literacy. So photobashing shouldn't be used as an excuse for a lack of knowledge but a tool to make work productivity faster. :-)
This video has aged like wine, in the current age, it gives hope for the creators of AI art
omg, thank u so much for this, this was awesome. just got yourself a new follower !!!
Totally agree. People that thinks that photobashing is being lazy, should first understand what it takes to do it right. Time is essential in the industry and photobashing is a marvelous tool to get things done faster and being more productive. Using 10 times more time to draw every single hair on the head of a character instead of photobash it, is does not mean you are more talented, it means you are lees productive. And yes, you are an artist, photobash or not :)
Completely agree! Plus there are MANY and I do mean MANY artists that will look up textures to add a baseline for a subject be it armor or whatever before shading in. My graphics teacher in high-school told me that if you are going to use an image you have to change 5things to it for it not to be considered copyright. That's a lesson I've always remembered! It speeds up work flow and if it's not the whole image, than it's fine. This can be used very well if correctly, the thing is adding in detail and manipulating it to where it's all cohesive. For others who want to make this controversial we already manipulate images by: flipping canvas, changing colors, changing opacity, using stamps, and layer settings such as multiple, screen, soft light, etc. One simply cannot pick on another for how they do their work process. As long as they aren't stealing another's lines/art it's fine. Just make the subject your own and referencing we all do that everyone who has ever done art.
It’s a tool a great tool that’s it. Your art is absolutely amazing .🤩
Great video.Wonderful presentation. TYFS. Please DO NOT pay attention to ALL of the naysayers. Art interpretation is dependent upon the individual looking at it. In today’s world art includes a multitude of concepts and in my opinion there is not one thing wrong with it. Art is one’s imagination. Please take care and stay safe. ~Barbara
I photobash to get my composition then I use it as a reference and paint it. Rarely do I use it for textures but it does save lots of time.
very interesting video, thanks :D and you are so cute and good in art!
i think photobashing sounds cool! honestly as long as credit is given for the resources used, there’s no reason to crap on using photos in art!
Photobadhing is also fun!!!
Thank you ❤
Photobashing is like icing on the cake. if your cake is made out of shit, the icing is not gonna make it taste any better (but then again I don't know how to bake a cake XD). you still somewhat need to know how to apply the fundamentals.
Never heard of it but an animator Cyriak uses what look like photograph cutouts to make some very interesting animation.
nice microphone. is it a sennheiser?
learned ,thanks
My digital art teacher in HS encourage Photobashing.
I like your room
It's like making a collage... It's dumb that it's banned....
Where did you learn to photobash though?
I've been using photobashing years before I knew it was a thing, I always thought there are no BORDERS at all in art, specially in digital form. if we have the tools and we know how to use them wy not apply all the knowledge together???... and actually, specially in the begining photobashing is not a easy thing to learn if you are not confident with photoshop and some other software. I felt guilt for years by using this technic, now I just embrace it and use it in everything. Its my special power creating realistic fake enviroments. If you think for yourself, is not that diferent from using some special type of brushe.
Your so pretty
okey pokey
Warhol would agree with photobashing👍
i love photobashing
so trueee, also collage, isn't that art? ppl are so close minded
and people complained about hyper realism / photo realism not being an art???? I photobash for my realistic isometric art although I have painted it from scratch. I mainly do hyperrealism like marcello barenghi. can't photobash on those lol. now i'm just exploring other type of art stuff.
photobashing is definitely alright and it's used like a lot of times by concept artists. And their photos are not even covered up. They covered it up with other photos. So to ban photobashing...will be to say.... ban concept artists....who are working on movie production, or game industry, or some other type of media industry. They need to get those background done fast.
Art is "effort" and "skill". This involves some skill, still. Compared to artless things, like one-click parasitical AI generation. Art isn't about creativity, either. There are plenty of non-creatively oriented skills out there, like for example, martial art.
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we just turned photos into an easier tool to use among our other tools.
the way i see it if you can digitally paint the image you want and are skilled enough without the need of premade photos to create your art than its not "cheating" as its a way to dramatically speed up concept art or if you are making a matte painting that NEEDS to look as realistic as possible that would simply take an extreme amount of time to hand paint.
but if you do not specify that it is photobashed and pretend to claim its hand drawn then 100% it is cheating and photobashing will never be considered more impressive or skillful as hand drawn.
dont care if some people want to act all woozy and say "art is art" but skill is skill.
you also get far more control as an artist without the need from photobashing.
the worst is a photobashed image with a posterize effect. that i really hate
Did you make that sand castle or did you use a bucket?😂
It is interesting someone say that Photobashing is cheating when artists in China circa 200BC were doing the its analogue equivalent: Collage. I don't know in what word cutting and gluing pictures and newspapers is valid art and Photobashing isn't.
Haters are just going to hate...Im learning blender so i can make my comps there and overpaint them...but i might dabble with some photobashing..
i watched this just to find out what photobashing is just because someone accused me of it 😂
You're beautiful 😍
People who say that using photobash is bad and it makes you a worst artist are just ignorants and are probably pretty bad artists themselves. You can have every photo of this world and a solid knowledge of photoshop, but if you dont know the fundamentals of painting and drawing, then you will make just bad photomanipulations or photobashing and will look wrong. There will be misstakes in color balance, values, lighting, perspective, proportions, composition... and many more. Yes, photobash is faster than paint every detail by yourself, but this is bad? Why will I paint a tree in 1 hour when I can make 1 with a few brushtrokes and some phototextures in 1 min? Yes, is a time efficient technique and it allow you to make a very realistic illustration or concept in a few hours instead of: 1- make it also quick but with less details. 2- Waste 2 weeks in a single painting painting every single detail. But this is not something wrong, is just efficient. You need a solid artistic fundamentals to make it properly, same with other techniques.
I am not intersting in photobashing but I watched the video to make you happy and give u like 🥰♥️
collage has been an art form for a long time, I don't see how this is any different; that's my take, but I have a few thoughts on the video:
-You got annoyed at the comment "is that a photo of your hair or are you really that talented?". The comment was written rudely, but I don't think admiration of someone's talent in being able to draw or paint very realistically should be demonized just because you didn't paint it and used a photo instead. Just say you collaged a photo in and hope they like the piece regardless.
-The Reddit Digital Painting Community and the Speedpaint community probably want equal ground for judging people's work. It's unfair if speedpainters have an advatage of using photos when others didn't. Likewise for the reddit community, if you're trying to critique someone's painting ability, it's harder when aspects of their image are literally a photo; just having nothing but the artist's work makes it easier to judge and critique.
-I think the brush pack comparison argument is pretty bad. I wouldn't say an artist who painted with a rolled up photo created a collage, or if he just used a stick to paint; mixed media, it's all just painting. Likewise digital painting with photo textured brushes is still just digital painting with digital brushes and not photo bashing, but speaking of textures; I've never heard anyone compare using a texture to photo bashing, but it seems to me that they're essentially the same thing? You didn't paint that texture in, you used a photo!
-You give the impression that concept artist's always create masterpiece artworks, but I've seen plenty of concept artwork that are pretty sloppy, but are just getting an idea across. No need to paint concept artists as some sort of once in a generation visual genius, where every piece they create rivals one of the greats. That said, photobashing would definitely make getting the idea across so much easier (thus why it's the standard), especially for overly mechanical/technical things.
Anyway, nice video, food for thought and all that.
*my ex-girlfriend Megan Rose Ruiz is photobashing on me.*
If the client is happy and you're happy with the results, the rest is noise. Period.
ai is the new thing to bash now (pun intended).. photo bashing is old news now .
that's actually pretty clever
especially since ai cant be copyrighted
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Omg you are 23😂
Who hurt you 😂
Nvm you get to that point :)
What do u mean who hurt u???
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OOOOH? Didn't you speak out against AI-art on Twitter and Tiktok for "stealing" content from human artists, calling it "not art" and "theft"? But here you're advocating photo-bashing for over-painting? You do realize that most artists use other people's copyrighted photos in their photo-bashing? That's fine because it's a transformative work, and the very same principle applies to training AI. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
Dude lol, it's a photo that you have to heavily edit and overpaint, that requires actual skill and effort, unlike some people just arranging words and naming it art, you can't even be bothered to make a collage by yourselves.
And AI "art" is purely derivative.
I’m begging you to actually learn a skill before criticizing it with a stupid comment
@@quetevalgavergaaa I am a professional artist that has been working in a studio for over a decade. I have also worked for film, television, print, advertising, and games, among others. Before that I studied traditional art at an academy for 5 years. I have a diploma and have been working on the side as a freelance artist in various areas of the entertainment industry and visual arts for quite some time. I also work not only in 2D, but also in various other media, such as 3D, Film, Photography, digital and analog. For some time now, I've also been working with procedural means, including AI and code. And I do photography/photogrammetry/field recording. Pretty interesting that you assume my skills just because I comment ;) btw, what's up with photography? You just push a button and hold the thing on something beautiful. What kind of art is that? Any kid could do that! What about directing a movie? Is that not art because the director doesn't do everything theirself? Artificial intelligence as a tool for creating art is just as legit as the medium of film. Even in contemporary art, many highly influential artists didn't paint everything themselves. These new tools are simply another, new form of media, not painting a beautiful picture. The latter is something often lacking in originality or any artistic merrit nowadays anyways. If you ask me, AI art tools are just another brush. And by the way, working with AI is by no means easy. It just depends on what you do with it. It can actually be more difficult than painting something directly. The threshold at which something generated with help of AI is considered "good" will just be higher than it is with manually created art. What made me comment is simply saying it was "copied" or even "stolen" which it defacto is not. That is not how diffusion models work. It is, in fact, like the classical process of studying other artists' works of art, something that has been commonplace for centuries in academia around the world. It's just done much more efficiently and with a much larger data set than any one person could ever manage. The panic and defamation campaign of some artists and also some journalists is always led with false claims. And especially this illustrator here has illustrated through this video the double standard of this inflammatory campaign quite well.
@@pbhandsdown1046 No one is going to read all that lol yeah yeah AI is art, you create it all yourself OF COURSE champion!