Finally someone telling the truth unlike most of these newbies that just complain about "bad design" even if they agree physics are at play "to a certain point". That's like wanting to do drift with an SUV and wondering why did the car rolled over and blame it on the design of the car
Thank you! Yes there are too many people talking about it in a way which doesn't match up with the physics at play. I just wanted to break down what it actually happening so that people know how to manage it. 😃
this is bullshit, because NO custom drone has this kind of problem, only dji avata has it and only brings back from the first model. I have already risked ending up in the water 3 times because of this disgusting electronics mounted on this drone
Thanks so much for this! First time flying full manual today and I experienced it a lot. At least 10 times on 3 flights and hit the deck a couple of times. At least I know know what I need to try and do to fly better.
You're very welcome! I felt there was a gap in the information about these drones. So I wanted to make a video showing what's actually happening. A lot of people say it's a bug, but it's just physics, aerodynamics, and not quite enough power to overcome the effects. 😃
You absolutely right ! If you fly low and fast yaw then you lose control and you have no time to correct yourself right away . and I broke my left front motor and my gimbal cracked.😢 dawn that is very expensive Hobby . by the way, Dji have new update for the Avata 2 ? You could link on your DJI goggle 2 and goggle Integra also motion controller 😮 about time .
Yep, if it happens low down, you might not have time to react. Yes, I just saw the update. You can now use the original Avata ancillaries to fly the Avata 2. I need to do some reading and testing to see what else this update includes 😃
very good video, and I agree with almost everything. my only "thought" is that it is not just the prop-wash/dirty/turbulent air diminishing thrust " overall". in fact one side, the "downwind" side, is always affected more than the upwind side, which is evident in all the videos. the quad need not enter its own turbulent air for it to happen. simply yaw turning into a high "cross wind" will do it, it is caused by the high battery and ducts and turbulence ABOVE the props that lessen available lift. on THAT side, the "LeeWard side in ailing nomenclature" the lift is diminished.
Awesome video! Best, most thorough explanation of the issue, what causes it and how to avoid it. I do a hard eye roll every time I see someone complaining about this on Facebook or in a forum, saying that it's "a DJI design flaw!" of the Avata and Avata 2. If people just had a better understanding of what it is and how to avoid it (and how to be ready for it if it does happen), I think there would be a lot fewer crashes because of it. I had a pretty good understanding of it before watching this video, but something I wasn't really aware of was the issue with the violent shaking when descending straight down. I knew that it happened as I've experienced it with both the Avata 2 and Air 2s, but I never really new why it happened. With your explanation, it makes so much sense that it's essentially the same root cause as the yaw tumble - you're dumping the airframe directly through the dirty air from the props. Definitely feels better knowing the "why". Thanks for this!!
Too many people have zero idea of aerodynamic principles, and physics. Or, they forget to apply them. The best way to relate to this with aircraft terms is wind shear.
Yeah me too! I've always just seen it said and ignored it, but I know a lot of people are concerned about it so I wanted to clear the air and show why it's actually happening rather than just saying it's a bug. Which it's not. It's just a characteristic of this style of air frame and flying through turbulent air. Glad you enjoyed the video and also learned a little extra. Thanks for commenting 😃
@@LibertyDIY because it's a shitty design, I almost dropped it in the water 3 times, it has crappy electronics, I recently joined a group of fpv enthusiasts in my city and tried out a custom drone from a friend, let's not even mention the power of the motors which is impressive, but you can do that yaw maneuver as many times as you want and even at double the speed, that effect never occurs, only avata 1 and avata 2 have it. I don't know whether to sue dji to get my money back or resell it.
Brill explanation Justin, as a newbie aspiring to fly in manual there's a hell of a lot of talk about it without any proper explanation, appreciate this bro 👌 Subbed!
Awesome video! The only thing I'm missing is a footage of the drone itself while you're performing all those maneuvers. If you could do that, it'll greatly help understanding the relations between the view in the goggles and the presentation of the drone. Thanks!
Hey! The best I could do is the demo at the start, trying to film it in flight is very tricky and the drone would look tiny in the video or I'd have to get really close and low in which case it would probably crash before I could recover. I was basically performing a similar flight manoeuvre in the flight to what I showed at the beginning. Hope this helps. 😃
Ahhh, I always assumed it was a programmed safety to stop you from exceeding a certain level of g force or something like that. The drone seems to have the same reaction every time. I thought if it was due to aerodynamics it would be less consistent in it's reaction. Good to know!
Hey! Yes, additional accessories, especially frame guards will exaggerate the tumble. Some designs more than others. I personally don't use them. I can see a use case for someone who might be having a lot of bumps being new to FPV, but for anyone that can confidently fly. I think they do more harm than than good when it comes to flying characteristics. 😃
Maybe they're listening 🤔 I will always try to make the most helpful videos for the community and try to expell the myths so that people can have a full understanding of why this sort of thing happens. Thank you for the support! It means a lot 😃
Tried your rates the other morning felt good. My second attempt at manual felt sluggish before had bout 6 hours in a sim did use that pause button more than once though 😅
That's awesome. I'm glad you liked the rates! Yeah, the stock rates are very strange in my opinion. Hey, that's what it's there for, use it as much as you need to. You'll soon be flying with confidence!
Hi Justin, just got my Avata 2 a couple weeks ago and have been enjoying your videos. I had this yaw tumble happen to me twice on Saturday -- freaked me out the first time! Luckily I was high enough up to recover easily, both times. Nice to know what exactly causes it, as I'd definitely been doing some hard yaw turns - thanks. Anyway keep the videos coming...so jealous of your location and scenery!
Yeah when it happens for the first time it can catch people off guard and be a bit scary but it's easy to recover if you have the height and stay calm. Haha yeah the scenery here is beautiful, trying to make the most out of it whilst I can 😃
Hi Justin once again another great informative video. Your presentation and explanations are of very high standard. (you come across and sound like a professional tv presenter) . I’ve had my avatar 2 one month now im wanting to advance to manual. Please would you mind advising on a good simulator to use, problem though I only have iPhone and iPad Pro and no computer. Thank you, I appreciate your videos. Cheers mark
Thank you! You're very welcome, Wanted to give people a real understanding rather than just say it's a bug and give no reasons to why it happens or how to avoid it. 😃
and, most all "cinewhoops", being "ducted" exhibit this issue, but all other than DJI have the power to overcome, many use prop guards, not ducts, to eliminate the problem, but those mitigations do not eliminate Prop Wash/ descent wobble ! that's different than the yaw washout !
@curbie1150 Yep very true. Ducted whoops really suffer with this. I would class the Avata 2 as having prop guards rather than ducts though. And yep, this isn't yaw washout. This is prop wash. Washout is when you reach the motor rpm limit and still can not stabilise for adverse yaw, as I'm sure you know. Thanks for the input 😃
Outside pass + yaw tumble = even worse that just yaw tumble. Any non-experienced pilots who think they should just skip to executing outside pass turns, might want to reconsider. Absorb the tips Justin has given and get comfortable before skipping ahead. Thank him later!
Yeah, you should be fine if you're just sticking to normal or sport mode. It's very hard to put the aircraft into the attitude required to encounter the tumble in normal/sport mode 😃
So what about the EASY ACRO 180 trick ? That doesnt do anything strange right? or not that i have seen it? You helped me with that shaking going down though, thank you for the great video !
Pretty sure that's what happened during my 2nd ever manual flight today ! Fell from around 20m without enough time to recover with the pause button unfortunately, so one of the motor arm was broken and now the drone has to be sent back to DJI :(.
Ah that's a shame. Yes I find the pause button is too slow to respond to the tumble. This is one of the reasons i suggest learning to corret this manually as you'll have a better chance of saving it. Practice higher up and you should get the hang of it and after a while you'll know when you're doing a turn that puts you at more risk of experiencing it and you'll be ready to react if needs be. Hopefully it gets repaired and you get back in the air again quickly 😃
We don't have access to tune the PIDs on the Avata 2 unfortunately. Otherwise, I would be doing just that, so it's best to just let people know what's happening, alot of people using the Avata 2 are new to fpv and won't be familiar with propwash effects. I doubt we will ever get a chance to modify pids on a DJI drone either
Good advice. Cheers Out of curiosity, do you get a high-pitch squeaking sound from your drone? Like metal-scraping-metal. I get it on mine; very high-pitch, it's not constant but its there all the time. I can't determine if that's normal or not
this stuff happened to me yesterday. while I was flying at full speed, and done a yaw turn (passing the tree so it would still be in frame). I totally lost all the controls (pitch yaw roll and gas) and by a skin of a teeth I didn't crash the drone on a low voltage power line. EDIT: btw I just saw the "outside turn" at 3:17 and that's exactly what I did. Damn. I'm confused now
You might have done an outside yaw but rather than a smooth turn you might have just spun around and still went back through the dirty air. Turning in the outside stance always keeps the props in clean air as long as you are moving forwards still. Whereas doing a fast spin will still cause you to fly though the dirty air from the props. Do you have a link to the footage so i can take a look? I can help you out better if you do?
Hey Russ! Yep, I tested it this morning with high hopes, but unfortunately, the issue is still there. It was either going to be in this or the next update from what I heard, but I guess they were busy with a lot of things in this update. I'm in 2 minds whether to make a video as nothing has changed, I was hoping it would be fixed so I could bring the whole thing to a close. But unfortunately I can't do that until it's fixed. It's annoying...
Yep, I do the Split S all the time without issues. You can experience the tumble if you change the pitch too severely at the bottom of the manoeuvre, but generally, the split s has been fine. The Avata 2 dives remarkably well for a cinewhoop!
You can yes, however I find pause is slow to respond in this situtation and you can save it much quicker with corrective inputs, but if you have enough height, the pause can save you. But I would reccomend trying to correct it manually first. 😃
@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you Justin, yeah I was talking about more height. I was never gonna go manual but after a few days playing sims, I went out yesterday, took her up high, took the plunge and enabled manual and did ok, I didn’t crash 😂. My heart was pounding though lol. Managed a few dives and flips, but as I have played video games for a LONG time (I am 53) It really helped with the coordination needed for the RC3, sounds stupid but playing 3rd/1st person shooters definitely helped 😂. And playing hours in the sims (uncrashed and liftoff) was also very beneficial. (I use mode 3 which is similar to 3rd/1st person style controls for me) I actually like the stiffer throttle stick even in normal/sport mode, and will still keep practising in manual but regarding most shots I want, I think normal and sport will suffice, but in certain situations like chasing a car/bike/foot chase/free running etc, I think manual will be great. I like more cinematic smoother shots so also thinking of getting the Mini Pro 4 as well as using my Avata 2. Sorry for the long reply and thanks again for your great channel! 👍🙏
Thank you for this! Dumb question, is there anyway to take off the avata 2 in manual mode or do you have to take off in normal and then switch to manual
No not a dumb question at all. Before the latest update you just used to double tap the start/stop button and it would start the motors in manual so you could take off in manual. But in the latest firmware this doesnt work anymore. I think this was a mistake and will hopefully be corrected in the next FW update.
Much less likely to yaw tumble while using motion controller or impossible? How can the tumble happen with the motion controller? I didn't find anyone who yaw tumbled using motion controller. I am scared to fly my avata 2 sometimes
Much less likely, almost impossible, there is a tiny chance it could happen, but it would be very difficult. I've never experienced it with the MC, and I couldn't get it to do it, but there's always a chance in the right scenario. But I wouldn't worry if I was you 😃
Mainly due to the fact it's got prop guards. They cause a lot of aerodynamic disruption around the props. It's the trade off we make for the added protection.
Thanks! Is yaw tumble factored in Sims like Liftoff? I suspect it is, but weeks like to know for sure because I'm preparing for Manual Mode. I think I'm experiencing prop wash in fast turns sure to using too much yaw and it seems that the turns is very drifty. Maybe I'm constantly going through prop wash on those tight turns?
Yep, most sims will have accurate enough physics to mimic this happening in the sim. You won't notice it anywhere near as much with an open prop quad vs. a cinewhoop. Cinewhoops don't have as much access to clean air, and the prop guards can cause the prop tip vortices to bounce back and not be dispersed, which will exaggerate the issue. But you should feel it with any good sim
There are some cinewhoops like this but with large slots in the prop guards, and it does help. The frame on the Avata 2 would have to be resigned for this, though as it would be very weak if you started cutting holes in it
@PoloHungary you would need sizeable slots all around the guards. My other cinewhoop has this style design (GepRc Cinelog 35 V2) yeah a carbon frame mod would also help but it's a lot of effort for something that can be easily avoided if you are just aware of the way you're flying. I just use a freestyle drone if I need to be doing more intense/acrobatic flying. But it would be nice to see an aftermarket frame that's a bit stronger and incorporates some slots or a lower profile guard to help with better airflow. 😃
Finally someone telling the truth unlike most of these newbies that just complain about "bad design" even if they agree physics are at play "to a certain point". That's like wanting to do drift with an SUV and wondering why did the car rolled over and blame it on the design of the car
Thank you! Yes there are too many people talking about it in a way which doesn't match up with the physics at play. I just wanted to break down what it actually happening so that people know how to manage it. 😃
this is bullshit, because NO custom drone has this kind of problem, only dji avata has it and only brings back from the first model. I have already risked ending up in the water 3 times because of this disgusting electronics mounted on this drone
Thanks so much for this! First time flying full manual today and I experienced it a lot. At least 10 times on 3 flights and hit the deck a couple of times. At least I know know what I need to try and do to fly better.
You're very welcome! I felt there was a gap in the information about these drones. So I wanted to make a video showing what's actually happening. A lot of people say it's a bug, but it's just physics, aerodynamics, and not quite enough power to overcome the effects. 😃
@@JustinBainbridgeYT Yeah I was very confused as to what was going on. You've helped a lot. Thank you!
This is the absolute best video I’ve seen about this issue.
You're welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful! 😃
One of the best explanation ever! Great information!! ❤
@goneviral6037 thank you 😃
You absolutely right ! If you fly low and fast yaw then you lose control and you have no time to correct yourself right away . and I broke my left front motor and my gimbal cracked.😢 dawn that is very expensive Hobby . by the way, Dji have new update for the Avata 2 ? You could link on your DJI goggle 2 and goggle Integra also motion controller 😮 about time .
Yep, if it happens low down, you might not have time to react. Yes, I just saw the update. You can now use the original Avata ancillaries to fly the Avata 2. I need to do some reading and testing to see what else this update includes 😃
The technical terms for descending into your own prop wash is settling with power or vortex ring state. Impress your friends....lol.
Haha love it! Thanks Don!
very good video, and I agree with almost everything. my only "thought" is that it is not just the prop-wash/dirty/turbulent air diminishing thrust " overall". in fact one side, the "downwind" side, is always affected more than the upwind side, which is evident in all the videos. the quad need not enter its own turbulent air for it to happen. simply yaw turning into a high "cross wind" will do it, it is caused by the high battery and ducts and turbulence ABOVE the props that lessen available lift. on THAT side, the "LeeWard side in ailing nomenclature" the lift is diminished.
Awesome video! Best, most thorough explanation of the issue, what causes it and how to avoid it. I do a hard eye roll every time I see someone complaining about this on Facebook or in a forum, saying that it's "a DJI design flaw!" of the Avata and Avata 2. If people just had a better understanding of what it is and how to avoid it (and how to be ready for it if it does happen), I think there would be a lot fewer crashes because of it. I had a pretty good understanding of it before watching this video, but something I wasn't really aware of was the issue with the violent shaking when descending straight down. I knew that it happened as I've experienced it with both the Avata 2 and Air 2s, but I never really new why it happened. With your explanation, it makes so much sense that it's essentially the same root cause as the yaw tumble - you're dumping the airframe directly through the dirty air from the props. Definitely feels better knowing the "why". Thanks for this!!
Too many people have zero idea of aerodynamic principles, and physics. Or, they forget to apply them. The best way to relate to this with aircraft terms is wind shear.
Yeah me too! I've always just seen it said and ignored it, but I know a lot of people are concerned about it so I wanted to clear the air and show why it's actually happening rather than just saying it's a bug. Which it's not. It's just a characteristic of this style of air frame and flying through turbulent air. Glad you enjoyed the video and also learned a little extra. Thanks for commenting 😃
I mean you say this but my traditional fpv cinewhoop doesn't have any type of tumble so it's obviously a design flaw.
@@BeautyBeastRC yeap, why is it only a problem with avata and avata 2
@@LibertyDIY because it's a shitty design, I almost dropped it in the water 3 times, it has crappy electronics, I recently joined a group of fpv enthusiasts in my city and tried out a custom drone from a friend, let's not even mention the power of the motors which is impressive, but you can do that yaw maneuver as many times as you want and even at double the speed, that effect never occurs, only avata 1 and avata 2 have it. I don't know whether to sue dji to get my money back or resell it.
Brill explanation Justin, as a newbie aspiring to fly in manual there's a hell of a lot of talk about it without any proper explanation, appreciate this bro 👌 Subbed!
Thanks Craig! Just seen this comment! Keep at it and hope you get the RC3 soon and can start flying in manual! 😃
Awesome video! The only thing I'm missing is a footage of the drone itself while you're performing all those maneuvers. If you could do that, it'll greatly help understanding the relations between the view in the goggles and the presentation of the drone. Thanks!
Hey! The best I could do is the demo at the start, trying to film it in flight is very tricky and the drone would look tiny in the video or I'd have to get really close and low in which case it would probably crash before I could recover. I was basically performing a similar flight manoeuvre in the flight to what I showed at the beginning. Hope this helps. 😃
Ahhh, I always assumed it was a programmed safety to stop you from exceeding a certain level of g force or something like that. The drone seems to have the same reaction every time. I thought if it was due to aerodynamics it would be less consistent in it's reaction. Good to know!
Hi Justin love your video and very informative. Does it also affect if we have accessories on like frame guards?
Hey! Yes, additional accessories, especially frame guards will exaggerate the tumble. Some designs more than others. I personally don't use them. I can see a use case for someone who might be having a lot of bumps being new to FPV, but for anyone that can confidently fly. I think they do more harm than than good when it comes to flying characteristics. 😃
DJI should hire this guy and make it required viewing when buying.
Maybe they're listening 🤔 I will always try to make the most helpful videos for the community and try to expell the myths so that people can have a full understanding of why this sort of thing happens. Thank you for the support! It means a lot 😃
Very helpful and informative. Thank you 🙏
Thank you! I'm glad you found it useful 😃
Tried your rates the other morning felt good. My second attempt at manual felt sluggish before had bout 6 hours in a sim did use that pause button more than once though 😅
That's awesome. I'm glad you liked the rates! Yeah, the stock rates are very strange in my opinion. Hey, that's what it's there for, use it as much as you need to. You'll soon be flying with confidence!
Excellent explanation thank you!
You're very welcome! Happy to help 😃
Hi Justin, just got my Avata 2 a couple weeks ago and have been enjoying your videos. I had this yaw tumble happen to me twice on Saturday -- freaked me out the first time!
Luckily I was high enough up to recover easily, both times. Nice to know what exactly causes it, as I'd definitely been doing some hard yaw turns - thanks.
Anyway keep the videos coming...so jealous of your location and scenery!
Yeah when it happens for the first time it can catch people off guard and be a bit scary but it's easy to recover if you have the height and stay calm. Haha yeah the scenery here is beautiful, trying to make the most out of it whilst I can 😃
Hi Justin once again another great informative video. Your presentation and explanations are of very high standard. (you come across and sound like a professional tv presenter) . I’ve had my avatar 2 one month now im wanting to advance to manual. Please would you mind advising on a good simulator to use, problem though I only have iPhone and iPad Pro and no computer. Thank you, I appreciate your videos. Cheers mark
Fantastic video, thank you!!! Such a good detailed explanation.
Thank you! You're very welcome, Wanted to give people a real understanding rather than just say it's a bug and give no reasons to why it happens or how to avoid it. 😃
Great content mate , I’m just using the motion controller atm , been filming rc buggy’s so good for this flying at about a foot off the ground
Thanks mate! Yeah, the motion controller is great for that because the ground sensors work really well with it. Sounds like a lot of fun!
and, most all "cinewhoops", being "ducted" exhibit this issue, but all other than DJI have the power to overcome, many use prop guards, not ducts, to eliminate the problem, but those mitigations do not eliminate Prop Wash/ descent wobble ! that's different than the yaw washout !
@curbie1150 Yep very true. Ducted whoops really suffer with this. I would class the Avata 2 as having prop guards rather than ducts though. And yep, this isn't yaw washout. This is prop wash. Washout is when you reach the motor rpm limit and still can not stabilise for adverse yaw, as I'm sure you know. Thanks for the input 😃
Outside pass + yaw tumble = even worse that just yaw tumble. Any non-experienced pilots who think they should just skip to executing outside pass turns, might want to reconsider. Absorb the tips Justin has given and get comfortable before skipping ahead. Thank him later!
Great video thank you. If I don’t fly manual but just stick to normal or sport mode then i shouldn’t encounter this right?
Yeah, you should be fine if you're just sticking to normal or sport mode. It's very hard to put the aircraft into the attitude required to encounter the tumble in normal/sport mode 😃
@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you for replying Justin 👊🏽👊🏾👊🏻
So what about the EASY ACRO 180 trick ? That doesnt do anything strange right? or not that i have seen it?
You helped me with that shaking going down though, thank you for the great video !
The easy acro trick will be fine as the drone stays fairly level and turns and tilts backwards at the same time, keeping the props in clean air.
@@JustinBainbridgeYT OKe i see, thank you for the explination !
Pretty sure that's what happened during my 2nd ever manual flight today ! Fell from around 20m without enough time to recover with the pause button unfortunately, so one of the motor arm was broken and now the drone has to be sent back to DJI :(.
Ah that's a shame. Yes I find the pause button is too slow to respond to the tumble. This is one of the reasons i suggest learning to corret this manually as you'll have a better chance of saving it. Practice higher up and you should get the hang of it and after a while you'll know when you're doing a turn that puts you at more risk of experiencing it and you'll be ready to react if needs be. Hopefully it gets repaired and you get back in the air again quickly 😃
What about PID tuning? On fpv all what you described is because of bad PIDs, by adjusting them one can totally eliminate prop wash and thumble...
We don't have access to tune the PIDs on the Avata 2 unfortunately. Otherwise, I would be doing just that, so it's best to just let people know what's happening, alot of people using the Avata 2 are new to fpv and won't be familiar with propwash effects. I doubt we will ever get a chance to modify pids on a DJI drone either
Good advice. Cheers
Out of curiosity, do you get a high-pitch squeaking sound from your drone? Like metal-scraping-metal. I get it on mine; very high-pitch, it's not constant but its there all the time. I can't determine if that's normal or not
Thank you! Nope, I think there might be an issue with your drone if you're getting a strange sound like that. It doesn't sound normal to me
i have that sound on mine, like you said, not constant but there all the time, i dont know if its normal or not.
I have it on mine too, after a few crashes. 3 weeks later and it still flies perfectly fine so I'm definitely not burning a DJI care refresh over it.
Thanks 👍🏻 5:19 light spot on the left seems to be ND filter issue, is it?
Hi, nope I wasn't using an ND today, it's just a lens flare from the sun 😃
Great video as always man!
Thanks man!
this stuff happened to me yesterday. while I was flying at full speed, and done a yaw turn (passing the tree so it would still be in frame). I totally lost all the controls (pitch yaw roll and gas) and by a skin of a teeth I didn't crash the drone on a low voltage power line.
EDIT: btw I just saw the "outside turn" at 3:17 and that's exactly what I did. Damn. I'm confused now
You might have done an outside yaw but rather than a smooth turn you might have just spun around and still went back through the dirty air. Turning in the outside stance always keeps the props in clean air as long as you are moving forwards still. Whereas doing a fast spin will still cause you to fly though the dirty air from the props. Do you have a link to the footage so i can take a look? I can help you out better if you do?
the new massive update is rolled out..please test the rth issue if they totally fix it tnx man
Hey Russ! Yep, I tested it this morning with high hopes, but unfortunately, the issue is still there. It was either going to be in this or the next update from what I heard, but I guess they were busy with a lot of things in this update. I'm in 2 minds whether to make a video as nothing has changed, I was hoping it would be fixed so I could bring the whole thing to a close. But unfortunately I can't do that until it's fixed. It's annoying...
What is the issue?
What's the rth issue?
I haven’t heard anyone mention that the EIS corrects the easy acro rolls so it just looks like crap
Could Avata 2 perform a Split-S maneuver? Is it safe from tumbling?
Yep, I do the Split S all the time without issues. You can experience the tumble if you change the pitch too severely at the bottom of the manoeuvre, but generally, the split s has been fine. The Avata 2 dives remarkably well for a cinewhoop!
First! As always, good content mate! Will try the manual mode in two weeks.
Thanks mate! Ah nice! Glad to hear you're going to be trying it out soon! Exciting times! 😃
Can you hit pause button if this happens please? To use your get out of jail card?
You can yes, however I find pause is slow to respond in this situtation and you can save it much quicker with corrective inputs, but if you have enough height, the pause can save you. But I would reccomend trying to correct it manually first. 😃
@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you Justin, yeah I was talking about more height. I was never gonna go manual but after a few days playing sims, I went out yesterday, took her up high, took the plunge and enabled manual and did ok, I didn’t crash 😂. My heart was pounding though lol. Managed a few dives and flips, but as I have played video games for a LONG time (I am 53) It really helped with the coordination needed for the RC3, sounds stupid but playing 3rd/1st person shooters definitely helped 😂. And playing hours in the sims (uncrashed and liftoff) was also very beneficial. (I use mode 3 which is similar to 3rd/1st person style controls for me)
I actually like the stiffer throttle stick even in normal/sport mode, and will still keep practising in manual but regarding most shots I want, I think normal and sport will suffice, but in certain situations like chasing a car/bike/foot chase/free running etc, I think manual will be great. I like more cinematic smoother shots so also thinking of getting the Mini Pro 4 as well as using my Avata 2.
Sorry for the long reply and thanks again for your great channel! 👍🙏
Thank you for this! Dumb question, is there anyway to take off the avata 2 in manual mode or do you have to take off in normal and then switch to manual
No not a dumb question at all. Before the latest update you just used to double tap the start/stop button and it would start the motors in manual so you could take off in manual. But in the latest firmware this doesnt work anymore. I think this was a mistake and will hopefully be corrected in the next FW update.
@@JustinBainbridgeYT thank you for the reply. Do you mean the start Stop button on the FPV remote rather than the motion controller?
@@arunr5529 Yep, the button on the lower right hand side of the back of the FPV remote. You can't fly manual mode with the motion controller.
@@JustinBainbridgeYT makes sense. I normally don’t use that button, just the sticks
@arunr5529 Yeah, I always use the sticks too. Hopefully, they bring the manual stop start back for manual mode again
Much less likely to yaw tumble while using motion controller or impossible? How can the tumble happen with the motion controller? I didn't find anyone who yaw tumbled using motion controller. I am scared to fly my avata 2 sometimes
Much less likely, almost impossible, there is a tiny chance it could happen, but it would be very difficult. I've never experienced it with the MC, and I couldn't get it to do it, but there's always a chance in the right scenario. But I wouldn't worry if I was you 😃
Why does this model suffer from that while DJi FPV doesnt? I cant even do a 360 roll in my Avata 1, half the time it kicks me out of manual.
Mainly due to the fact it's got prop guards. They cause a lot of aerodynamic disruption around the props. It's the trade off we make for the added protection.
Great information, thanks
You're welcome! 😃
Thanks!
Is yaw tumble factored in Sims like Liftoff? I suspect it is, but weeks like to know for sure because I'm preparing for Manual Mode. I think I'm experiencing prop wash in fast turns sure to using too much yaw and it seems that the turns is very drifty. Maybe I'm constantly going through prop wash on those tight turns?
Yep, most sims will have accurate enough physics to mimic this happening in the sim. You won't notice it anywhere near as much with an open prop quad vs. a cinewhoop. Cinewhoops don't have as much access to clean air, and the prop guards can cause the prop tip vortices to bounce back and not be dispersed, which will exaggerate the issue. But you should feel it with any good sim
Thanks man, great tips. God bless you!
Thanks man!
if small holes in the frame sides ? maybe better airflow less tumble
There are some cinewhoops like this but with large slots in the prop guards, and it does help. The frame on the Avata 2 would have to be resigned for this, though as it would be very weak if you started cutting holes in it
@@JustinBainbridgeYT yes but one hole in the back corner or carbon frame
@PoloHungary you would need sizeable slots all around the guards. My other cinewhoop has this style design (GepRc Cinelog 35 V2) yeah a carbon frame mod would also help but it's a lot of effort for something that can be easily avoided if you are just aware of the way you're flying. I just use a freestyle drone if I need to be doing more intense/acrobatic flying. But it would be nice to see an aftermarket frame that's a bit stronger and incorporates some slots or a lower profile guard to help with better airflow. 😃
it happens with the mc3 also
Yes it can, it's not impossible but much less likely 😃
Another good video Justin
Thank you 😃
Greatt !!! Thankyou so much, 🎉❤
@@betaompay38 You're welcome!
Great job
Thank you! Hope this helped you out 😃
Well done bro👍👍👍
Thanks Bro!
Avata 1 just crashed on a yaw tumble 😢
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully, it's not badly damaged?
My avata2 is all green and dirty😅
Haha, I give mine a clean every couple of flights to keep it looking fresh 😅 I've had some very green drones in the past though haha
Mine too!
Snap mine too 😅 😅 can't stop it crashing
Step 1: get a different quadcopter
So helpful
.........anyone want to buy my avata 2?