..next time you talk to all the companies at ShotShow....tell them learn mathematics and what ballistics are then start cambering 10mm....and put the carry handles BACK on AR15's then put the T rail on top of the carry handles. Or just stop if you do not have the common sense to understand the stalk of your Ar was never ment to be on your cheek..it goes next to your armpit....thats why carry handles were never really carry handles thay are raisers for your iron sights .....but everyone struggles to smash there cheek into a stalk its not designed for with these long flat T-rails that dont have the right elevation for optics in the first dam place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@chaimafaghet7343 I just hope they stay that way, as soon as everyone starts finding out about them, it's gonna drive up the prices. I can still afford the MP9 as is, but any more popularity and I may never own a B&T :(
@@Scott-qq9jd 5.7 is too high pressure a round for a simple blowback design that small. You'd probably need a dead blowback design for that size of an action. Not to mention you'd need a larger magazine well, a brand new magazine, and a longer barrel to make it ballistically efficient. At that point a brand new gun would be more appealing because the cost of modding a TP380 in all those ways would be comparable.
Can we stop to appreciate all the hard work james has been doing lately to get us this content? Must be strenuous shooting gucci guns in switzerland while pouding down schofferhofers and bratwurst
I've got this image in my head that Karl just has a big stack of old "Soldier of Fortune" magazines in his bathroom, and when he runs across an old SMG in a photo from some obscure mid-70's bush war, he goes "Well, there's our next product"
@@bettycocker2226 I meant a variety, that being the BWC, TP380, KH9, etc. As an example: there are a lot of rifles that fire 7.62x39mm - millions - but most of them are AK platform rifles, there isn't much variety to guns chambered in that round (especially original, ground-up platforms, not just AR-15 or G3 rifles chambered in the round). But I understand what you mean and I realise that I wasn't clear enough when I commented.
In the car world I remember when it was all about "The Spinners." In the 2A it all about "The Folders." Spectre all day with the Janus Marine or Helicopter Pilot (I unlocked everything & beat all the challenges).
B&T is amazing I am always impressed everytime. Some might not be a hit but others will. I wish I had a kh9. I really like how they look. It's like a mini thompson upgraded and lightened.
I'm loving B&T more and more with each interview. It's great that they build what they like. They're not worried that a building full of business advisors and lawyers are telling them what to build.
I think this is really cool, practically speaking I personally if I was crazy enough to carry this thing around in a messenger bag, I would probably feel uncomfortable having to mess around with all the moving parts to get my gun ready for defense. Bare minimum you have the grip and the mag that need to be folded in. Maximum you have to pull out the stock, flip the grip and the mag, cock it, and turn the safety off. I like the novelty of it, but wouldn’t bet my life on it
Well, in my opinion if you are in a higher threat situation you can pull one out of a backpack instead of having to use a pistol. So, I don't think they made it as an alternative for regular carry. But it's B&T, so they might as well make one in .50 cal and someone would buy it
I have a similar-sized 5.7x25 weapon in my backpack (in addition to my concealed carry gun) with this situation in mind: I'm not on the offensive, but on the defensive. Engage the threat with my carry while moving to cover and/or withdrawing. If the threat persists, I'd try to switch guns and engage with the 50-round mag capacity of my backpack gun (and 4 extra mags) while continuing to try to break contact. It's a Plan. Not necessarily a good one, but a Plan nevertheless.
I like the idea of this a lot. I’m curious about why the mag well folds down. It looks like the difference in height between no mag with the mag well in place versus a folded mag is similar. So, the gain is the time difference between flipping the loaded mag well into the correct position and just grabbing a mag to push into the mag well. I’d be very interested to hear or see how one is an improvement over the other. With a red dot the steps to deploy are … * unzip bag and pull this out * fold grip down * fold mag well into place * extend stock * chamber a round, or carry it with a round chambered. Would like to hear more about this. * power the red dot
thinking about the same, folded mag seems useless, also red dots now power efficient enough, you don't need turn them off. >carry it with a round chambered I think it's like in UZI, you can't do that
Not that I'm in any sort of peril for purchasing this, but I'm curious to know if the weapon can fire if a round is chambered and the magazine is detached and/or if the magazine is folded.
Just off the thumbnail it reminds me of the full conceal glocks conversions from Las Vegas. To bad Covid shuttered the company, been waiting for more folding guns to come out.
Love how B&T made this, and were like "wow this is pretty good and REALLY cool, let's make them stupidly expensive and only make 5, the people will love that"
@@dinkledord7026 lol, na. A lot of people carry those bags and backpacks around where I frequent and in today's world I would really like the option to discreetly carry something more capable than a handgun. I need to clarify that by my lifestyle I mean that I'm a big fan of being outdoors so having a small bag of backpack would be ideal as to not draw attention to myself
It is an updated version of the Hotchkiss brought into the 21st century, really neat, but not new, just like their version of the Welrod brings the concept into the 21st century, next will be a 21st century matchlock with pic rails Mlok and a smoke deflector to stop the match smoke getting in your eye when you use the sights
B & T is the Rolex of guns, waiting for my Form 1 to be approved so I can put their retractable stock on my APC9K . I will be buying one of these as soon as They’re available.
That is if it will ever be in stock in the first place. 500 unit limited run? Sold out on the first day guaranteed, especially with videos like this hyping it up.
I’m a B&T guy with 5 different B&Ts, but that little flop of the loaded magwell at 4:36 told me everything I need to know about this gun; at least this iteration of it.
@@lawrencerussell2388 Believe me, the thought occurred to me. However, the B&T with an end cap would be classified as a pistol here in the U.S.. The PS90 requires the stupid barrel shroud it's currently sold with to avoid the need for an NFA tax stamp. I'm REALLY hoping the NFA, or at least the majority of it, is ruled unconstitutional, because it IS!!! If that happens, then I would get the PS90 with the short barrel of the P90. I've been drooling over one for awhile.
@@tfbtv Mega Man 2 was the ish. Loved the Mega Mega Man games for NES. Playstation had Mega Man Legends, it was really good. Legends 2 is better than 1 IMO
B&T knockin’ it out of the ballpark for another well earned home run! Would be fascinating to see if B&T would make this in 45 ACP, call it the KH-45. It would be a modern Tommy gun.
I found the APC when it arrived in DFW, then had to wait until the next day to actually buy it (they weren’t in the system yet). I did get one, but it has been hard to find them (B&T guns) on the original market, while including the items issued with the gun (not broken out, to buy separately).
Just my opinion, but this is likely my favorite B&T product I think I've ever seen. This makes me wish I made like $200,000 a year so I could just buy it and not miss the money. (The glock stock was a close second as far as favorite products were concerned.) James! You missed Plantapalooza at Gary's Biergarten in Pensacola today!
B&T is like if H&K had a cousin that didn't hate you.
@Lynx Actual I agree but B&T is more innovative these days... & that's kinda sad.
..next time you talk to all the companies at ShotShow....tell them learn mathematics and what ballistics are then start cambering 10mm....and put the carry handles BACK on AR15's then put the T rail on top of the carry handles. Or just stop if you do not have the common sense to understand the stalk of your Ar was never ment to be on your cheek..it goes next to your armpit....thats why carry handles were never really carry handles thay are raisers for your iron sights .....but everyone struggles to smash there cheek into a stalk its not designed for with these long flat T-rails that dont have the right elevation for optics in the first dam place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Better hope the HK social media girl doesn't see otherwise she'll really roast you and your family.
I'm poor, everyone hates me. I'm not even allowed to watch this
@@zombieslayer7759 We'll just sick the Wendy's twitter person on H&K.
Best quote of the video: "we didn't do it with a business plan in mind. We just did it cuz we liked it"
In reality I suspect B&T do a lot of their work for extremely niche end users who don't want publicity.
top chad
@@chaimafaghet7343 I just hope they stay that way, as soon as everyone starts finding out about them, it's gonna drive up the prices. I can still afford the MP9 as is, but any more popularity and I may never own a B&T :(
B&T needs to make their own version of a MP7 chambered in 5.7x28 just because they can. They will sell!
100%
I would pay upwards of 3k for a mp7 clone
Could you imagine how many rounds it would hold in 5.7
Makes me wonder if the TP380 could be easily redesigned into a 5.7.
@@Scott-qq9jd 5.7 is too high pressure a round for a simple blowback design that small. You'd probably need a dead blowback design for that size of an action. Not to mention you'd need a larger magazine well, a brand new magazine, and a longer barrel to make it ballistically efficient. At that point a brand new gun would be more appealing because the cost of modding a TP380 in all those ways would be comparable.
Can we stop to appreciate all the hard work james has been doing lately to get us this content? Must be strenuous shooting gucci guns in switzerland while pouding down schofferhofers and bratwurst
It is when the bratwurst is whole
I’ve heard he is pretty good at throatlicking those big juicy bratwurst.. and pounding things as well.
I’m not hating though.. just jealous.
😂🤣..
Just add spicy mustard
... in those tiny tactical trunks, too! ;P
Brügger & Thomet: Because We Can™
Karl Brügger is the kind of guy that just thinks up something and then actually produces it, be it as a prototype or serial production.
In other words; why the hell not?
it's like kel tec but not on coke
@@elliotwhite8671 LOLOLOL
2 things I found out I needed from this video. A KH9 Covert and more leg days :(
You're missing one thing. Tactical short shorts
@@TheDandyMann Agreed
I've got this image in my head that Karl just has a big stack of old "Soldier of Fortune" magazines in his bathroom, and when he runs across an old SMG in a photo from some obscure mid-70's bush war, he goes "Well, there's our next product"
B&T: This is sick let's make 2
Man, B&T do be making lots of cool guns.
i wouldnt say lots when he literally said they only made 440 original KH9's for the us market and 220 for the swiss.
@@bettycocker2226 I meant a variety, that being the BWC, TP380, KH9, etc.
As an example: there are a lot of rifles that fire 7.62x39mm - millions - but most of them are AK platform rifles, there isn't much variety to guns chambered in that round (especially original, ground-up platforms, not just AR-15 or G3 rifles chambered in the round).
But I understand what you mean and I realise that I wasn't clear enough when I commented.
cool??? that shit is ugly AF
If I could afford anything from B&T, this would definitely be the one I’d buy. It’s just too damn cool! Great content as always, much love from Texas!
Nobody cares that you are from Texas.
I'm somehow always caught off guard by the tactical shorts. Goes to show they work as intended. Shock and awe
Love when y’all’s videos have the edited intros matching the beat of the music. Super stylish, there’s effort put in and it shows
Such compact. Very folding. Covert Doge. Wow.
I love how B&T went from releasing super cool space age looking guns to "So, it's a small box and bullets come out of it"
James, you PCC Chad! That is an awesome sub gun and Karl’s reason for making it is the best. Ciao!
In the car world I remember when it was all about "The Spinners." In the 2A it all about "The Folders."
Spectre all day with the Janus Marine or Helicopter Pilot (I unlocked everything & beat all the challenges).
What an awesome manufacturer. Would love to get my hands on any of their stuff!
Can we just appreciate how fire the intro and outro music is on this channel? Always great picks.
Seriously I want the full song
I love B&T but I hate how they do extremely limited runs. Drives me crazy lol
Makes them collector's editions right out of the gate. I'm for it, but I get the con side as well.
I think it’s the only way a company can really make such a variety of awesomesauce.
@Joseph Roach A lot of the designs are very niche ones and regular production runs probably just aren’t going to be economically feasible.
Agreed
Once you buy it& they stop production, how will you cover parts if something breaks?
Tfb b&t coverage this year is awesome. I’m never going to financially recover from these
Synthwave and guns is such a vibe
B&T is amazing I am always impressed everytime. Some might not be a hit but others will. I wish I had a kh9. I really like how they look. It's like a mini thompson upgraded and lightened.
KH apparently stands for "Karls Hobby". thats a guy who is allways tinkering and building something
I'm loving B&T more and more with each interview. It's great that they build what they like. They're not worried that a building full of business advisors and lawyers are telling them what to build.
I suspect they're not allowed to talk about he customers who request these guns.
MORE B&T IN THE US, garentee they will all sell.
I love the B&T philosophy..
"We do what we like because we can"
It is better than that. They do what wealthy customers like because it is fun.
I think this is really cool, practically speaking I personally if I was crazy enough to carry this thing around in a messenger bag, I would probably feel uncomfortable having to mess around with all the moving parts to get my gun ready for defense. Bare minimum you have the grip and the mag that need to be folded in. Maximum you have to pull out the stock, flip the grip and the mag, cock it, and turn the safety off. I like the novelty of it, but wouldn’t bet my life on it
Well, in my opinion if you are in a higher threat situation you can pull one out of a backpack instead of having to use a pistol.
So, I don't think they made it as an alternative for regular carry. But it's B&T, so they might as well make one in .50 cal and someone would buy it
it folds slightly more compact than the sub2k but the sub2k has a better deploy time
This goes in a bag and you still run a CC pistol. Nothing changes there. Pistol for immediate threats and bag gun for when you're able to grab it
You could get pretty fast deploying this with enough practice. More practical for a team, a couple guys with pistols and a couple of these for GP.
I have a similar-sized 5.7x25 weapon in my backpack (in addition to my concealed carry gun) with this situation in mind: I'm not on the offensive, but on the defensive. Engage the threat with my carry while moving to cover and/or withdrawing. If the threat persists, I'd try to switch guns and engage with the 50-round mag capacity of my backpack gun (and 4 extra mags) while continuing to try to break contact.
It's a Plan. Not necessarily a good one, but a Plan nevertheless.
I like the idea of this a lot. I’m curious about why the mag well folds down. It looks like the difference in height between no mag with the mag well in place versus a folded mag is similar. So, the gain is the time difference between flipping the loaded mag well into the correct position and just grabbing a mag to push into the mag well.
I’d be very interested to hear or see how one is an improvement over the other.
With a red dot the steps to deploy are …
* unzip bag and pull this out
* fold grip down
* fold mag well into place
* extend stock
* chamber a round, or carry it with a round chambered. Would like to hear more about this.
* power the red dot
thinking about the same, folded mag seems useless, also red dots now power efficient enough, you don't need turn them off.
>carry it with a round chambered
I think it's like in UZI, you can't do that
Not that I'm in any sort of peril for purchasing this, but I'm curious to know if the weapon can fire if a round is chambered and the magazine is detached and/or if the magazine is folded.
Looks like from the demonstration, it does not have a magazine disconnect safety
Presumably. No reason it wouldnt.
Just off the thumbnail it reminds me of the full conceal glocks conversions from Las Vegas. To bad Covid shuttered the company, been waiting for more folding guns to come out.
Love B&T love the innovation.. giving the customers what we want … and I want this BAD, and a few others from B&T I gotta have …thx
Love how B&T made this, and were like "wow this is pretty good and REALLY cool, let's make them stupidly expensive and only make 5, the people will love that"
This is reminiscent of the French Mat 49, developed for French paratroopers after the Second World War.
Just what I was thinking too!
And the SIG MP48/MP310, another Swiss design.
reminiscent is a big word for ripoff. but yes.
I'm in love with this one. Along with a messenger bag this would be ideal for my lifestyle. I can't wait for it to become available over here
your lifestyle of sneaking PCCs around ?
@@dinkledord7026 lol, na. A lot of people carry those bags and backpacks around where I frequent and in today's world I would really like the option to discreetly carry something more capable than a handgun. I need to clarify that by my lifestyle I mean that I'm a big fan of being outdoors so having a small bag of backpack would be ideal as to not draw attention to myself
That has to be the longest trigger pull I've ever seen on a carbine.
Because we can is the best answer to most questions related to firearms !
James, please ask them to make a TP10!!!!
The Fidget level in GoldenEye dual wielding phantoms.... kh9 bringing back good memories.
It's like a modern hotchkiss universal smg, I love it, too bad my *redacted* state does not allow sbr
TFB TV Bringing the heat ! Awesome gun.
When Karl first pulled out the KH9 from the bag, he looked like a PROUD father holding his new baby! That smile on his face just killed me!
B&T always has the best design. Their designers are genius.
Compare this with the CAA MCK? This one may be cool and European but the MCK is accessible now and has the added virtue of annoying Hop. 😂👍
Coming from a Micro Roni fanboy, I never knew I needed one of these until now
Anybody work up a score for this on the ATF's form 4999 "Factoring criteria for braced pistols" ?
All braced pistols will fail and will be forced to register because freedom is a thing of the past
Interesting weapon James. Great video as always.
can you ask B&T to make a P90 style gun using the same 50 mag as the P90 chambered in 5.7
So a P90
@@epicfortnitekid8536 no idiot, would you call the kel tec gun that uses the same mags as the P90 a P90?
most of these are already pre sold if not all of them. Good luck guys I already secured mine. 💪🏻
It is an updated version of the Hotchkiss brought into the 21st century, really neat, but not new, just like their version of the Welrod brings the concept into the 21st century, next will be a 21st century matchlock with pic rails Mlok and a smoke deflector to stop the match smoke getting in your eye when you use the sights
Love B&T’s designs! They’re so unique, you can really tell if a gun is made by B&T!
The mag at 1:10 is probably in a million pieces
The short shorts range monster. Love the content man!
Legionnaire: “Can we have MAT-49?”
B&T: “ We have MAT-49 at home.”
MAT-49 at home: …
b&t just slayin it 2022 , kh9 with a french twist folding magwell subgun
Looks like what would happen if you took a Luty all the way up the upgrade tree
B & T is the Rolex of guns, waiting for my Form 1 to be approved so I can put their retractable stock on my APC9K . I will be buying one of these as soon as They’re available.
B&T are quickly becoming my favorite manufacturer. Compare them to HK who basically disregard their customers...
Have you seen B&T? They don't like you either.
Haven't even gotten 60 seconds in the video I'm just fucking stoked to see the FAB folding grip on a compact in the thumbnail.
Such limited runs make these items so expensive. I like the designs but man its hard to justify the price of 2k+ for a sub gun.
Iimited runs artificially inflates the price.. pretty sad tactic
RnD, shipping and trade cost, retailers, marketing, distribution someone has to pay for all this.
I love his mentality, " Because we can."
Flexing on the poors yet again
FYI, the KH stands for "Karl's Hobby", that's why he's like a proud papa.
For the price and proprietary mags, hard pass.
That is if it will ever be in stock in the first place. 500 unit limited run? Sold out on the first day guaranteed, especially with videos like this hyping it up.
The price is almost justified for how high end B&T is and how rare these guns will be in the US.
I'll never own one of these but i really like the design of these items, it seems so practical and well considered.
B&T put a fab defense folding grip on a $3000 gun. Gag me with a fuckin spoon
I need to create a B&T fund. I like what these guys are doing
Still refuse to buy anything B&T until they show me why they cost so much.
Because they are made in a country with high salary and production costs.
After being at their factory, I see why.
Anything "Swiss" will have multiples zeroes automagically added to the price tags. Watches, guns, etc etc. "Swiss" tax as they say.
Yeah I guess that does make sense for production costs
On top of being a small company that doesn't sell a ton of firearms.
Different price points for different consumers. 👍
OMG Kedr vibe in this gun is tooo strong😍 loved everything on this gun!
Damn never thought I’d see a modern folding smg, nice!
I’m a B&T guy with 5 different B&Ts, but that little flop of the loaded magwell at 4:36 told me everything I need to know about this gun; at least this iteration of it.
I would like to see a 5.7x28 version. Very nice!!!
why not just get the ps90?
@@lawrencerussell2388 Believe me, the thought occurred to me. However, the B&T with an end cap would be classified as a pistol here in the U.S.. The PS90 requires the stupid barrel shroud it's currently sold with to avoid the need for an NFA tax stamp. I'm REALLY hoping the NFA, or at least the majority of it, is ruled unconstitutional, because it IS!!! If that happens, then I would get the PS90 with the short barrel of the P90. I've been drooling over one for awhile.
Stoked, this just made itself my next gun buy. If I'm lucky enough to be able to grab one.
best statement "why do we need a reason, we like what we do and we can do it"
Love everything about this. When asked Brugger said " we did it because we liked it".hoorah my friends. Stay loud.
Swiss version of an Italian SMG with a French folding mechanism. Neat!
I was about to purchase a Ruger pc9 carbine, but now it’s time to be patient for this jewel 👍😎
I never knew that I needed a Swiss Hotchkiss Universal in my life.
you guys at B&T really rock
Cool, pretty fancy but what I like the most is the bag, looks nicer!!
Love the outro music, it had a Mega Man feel to it
Huge influence on my music choices actually. I used to speedrun Megaman 2 as a kid and imo best music was Metal Man's stage.
@@tfbtv Mega Man 2 was the ish. Loved the Mega Mega Man games for NES. Playstation had Mega Man Legends, it was really good. Legends 2 is better than 1 IMO
James, what the hell? Are you trying to bankrupt me? This is the third video in the series and that just means that I got to get this.
My mother-in-law lives in Thun. Maybe in should visit her. Give me a good excuse to swing by the B&T showroom.
Man, I freakin love these guys! That’s 3 im waiting to stumble on
Beautiful gun brother 👍👍
B&T knockin’ it out of the ballpark for another well earned home run! Would be fascinating to see if B&T would make this in 45 ACP, call it the KH-45. It would be a modern Tommy gun.
Yoooo I missed the early 2000s transformers! Glad they brought them back into production.
I found the APC when it arrived in DFW, then had to wait until the next day to actually buy it (they weren’t in the system yet). I did get one, but it has been hard to find them (B&T guns) on the original market, while including the items issued with the gun (not broken out, to buy separately).
The front looks like HK G36, Burger & Thormet always amazing 👍🏻👍🏻
Seems like the perfect candidate for the 5.7!
I love Karl Brugger!
B&t is bitch slapping tf out of the industry with new stuff on the reg .. Great work dudes
Just my opinion, but this is likely my favorite B&T product I think I've ever seen. This makes me wish I made like $200,000 a year so I could just buy it and not miss the money. (The glock stock was a close second as far as favorite products were concerned.) James! You missed Plantapalooza at Gary's Biergarten in Pensacola today!
Damn I didn't know 38 was old. I guess that explains my joints. Golden eye was the coolest and most time consuming video game of my youth.
If they made that in 10 mil I would pre-order it right now
10mm agreed.
Nice little PCC, great for storage in a vehicle as a truck gun.
Modern Thompson carbine. Sweet
The FAB defense folding grip is a nice touch
great i just bought a Kh9, now i want this
Really liked this video...
God what a neat gun. Love B&T!