6:24 The Last Spartan is legit one of the most underrated characters in the entire franchise. He was eternally loyal to Kratos, went through absolute hell to change Sparta's fate, and even managed to hold his own for a moment against the God of War himself in a pitch-black room. Dude needs way more respect.
Plus, he went through to that point faster than Kratos despite the latter being a god, and having his gear, and the former being mortal. That takes mad skill and tons of gumption
@@Kaijugan Unless Kratos lied at the end of God of War 2018 about his (Atreus of Sparta's) fate, The Last Spartan could NOT have been Atreus of Sparta. "When the day came for him to lay down his life in battle, his sacrifice saved countless others, and turned the tide in our favor. I carried him home on his shield, and buried him with all the honors of Spartan custom. His memory was a comfort in dark times."
@@andrewames247 That could have been him sugar coating things a bit. I mean, a good number of the fans have pointed out that his Horse and the Stag story could have been an analogy to his deal with Ares. And in Ragnarok he told a story of hesphestus and Pandora that was a half truth, so it’s not impossible
@@DanialTarkibasically kratos just replaced his brother as God of war he did what exactly ares wanted to do he brought olympus down as the prophecy was told the god of war will bring down olympus
I would argue that by Ragnarok, Atreus is unquestionably Chaotic Good. While I get why Freya took the spot, I feel that by Ragnarok, Atreus was now fully capable of his own moral compass, and it never once truly strayed away from good. Sure, he was with Odin for a long time, but it was all because he genuinely thought Odin could offer him insight and answers, so he could understand himself and not hurt anyone he loved. He’s chaotic by nature of being all over the place, flipping between which side he’s part of the whole game (and being Loki), but he’s unquestionably good in my eyes. If anything, I would have put Freya in Chaotic Neutral for the sole reason of the first half, in which her vengeful nature made her only crave Kratos’ blood. If Kratos’ desire for revenge and his disregard for anything other than said revenge slides him down on the moral slider, I’d argue that Freya spending so much time in a similar mentality ultimately balances her out to Chaotic Neutral, even if she’s ultimately Good. Also, I would have put the actual Tyr, the one found post-game, as the True Neutral by virtue of not getting the chance to do anything.
In the novelization, it's revealed that Athena was working behind the scenes to help Kratos by convincing the other gods to grant him more power and was going to give him what he asked for but Zeus overruled her to deny the removal of the memories, and as he was the king she was forced to obey him
"To some people its the death of God of war" well then those people are stubborn and do not understand change is necessary for a franchise to thrive and continue on
That's not the case for franchises like Saints Row and Mortal Kombat. Change can be either good or bad. GOW changed for the good but I just prefer the greek games overall.
Sad thing is that the game is my all time favorite of anything I've played, but as much as I thought Ironwood was cute, it was only annoying to me because it kept acting like it was about to end. There was no indication that it was going to be a whole level, and then it just... Was. It was cute and all at first, but seeing all of that just repeatedly pulling our threads, it's just dumb.
From Neutral Good to Chaotic Evil and back to Neutral Good. Now that's what i call an interesting character. Also, in this shorter manner of seeing Kratos' moral alignments, it's easier to see how natural his transformation really is in the Norse saga. This video is recommended to watch to everyone who thinks Ragnarök killed the character.
Maybe it's the fact that they think he was *always* a monster even during the Greek Saga. It was GOW Ascension - Chaotic Neutral GOW 1 - Chaotic Good GOW CoO - Neutral Good GOW GoS - Chaotic Neutral GOW II - Neutral Evil GOW III - Chaotic Evil GOW 2018 - Chaotic Good GOW Ragnarok - Neutral Good
Remember the first Norse game got people thinking Kratos God of War "grew up" with the 2018 game. No offense. But Kratos wasn't a full-on Monster until III/Ghost of Sparta because by then he was tired of lies
I’d put GoW2 Kratos as chaotic neutral tbh, a lot of the stuff he does is bad but also pretty understandable given the circumstances. What else would you expect to happen if a Spartan general was suddenly given control over every conflict?
Find it funny but oddly fitting how Kratos throughout the series mainly is within the chaotic or neutral spectrums with the occasional sprinkles of other alignments every once in a blue moon. I also think as previously with past videos, these alignments were great. Wish we could see more videos like this, but I suppose to be fair it does take a lot of time and effort to make stuff like this.
I like ironwood. I like that it’s slow and it’s a chance for Atruis to be just a kid. I think it’s hard for us to recognize that it sucks that Atruis is doing the stuff he is doing. He lost his mother, for his early childhood he’s had a cold father, he becomes a murder and now hold an entire race of people on his shoulders he isn’t even 18 yet. He is a kid and ironwood really shows that in my opinion and I’m happy the game slowed down to show it
I agree that it's alright on a first playthrough but even then it's a bit too long. What makes it even worse is that they constantly tell you that it's almost over, when in reality it's only the beginning. You know it's bad when even the story people don't like it. On a repeat playthrough however, it is criminally boring. Why would you want to sit through 2 hours of cutscenes and walking when you already know what's gonna happen? God of War is a game with lots of replayability, and thus a lot of people play it countless times, but having 2 hours of basically holding the stick forward completely kills that replayability. That's why Ragnarök is probably the least replayed GoW game because nobody wants to go through Ironwood and the other Atreus missions ever again. This could have been completely solved by making these missions skippable on repeat playthroughs, but of course not because Santa Monica needs you to experience their magnificent story a billion times over, something which is made abundantly clear by the fact they're taking 4-5 months adding cutscene skipping, a feature that almost every game has on launch, many games even letting you skip short cutscenes, puzzles and boring gameplay sections. I know I just wrote an entire novel about a very inconsequential topic, but as someone who wasted hundreds of hours of his life playing Atreus missions, I simply needed to get my frustrations out.
I kind of don't like the fact that it is long but I accept it without any problem considering it's a very integral part of Atreus's character........ He wants to explore the world in his own way without his father constantly dragging hum down and keeping him safe and it plays an important part of making atreus independent
One irony that I've always loved in the GoW trilogy. Despite Krato's reputation, it would be the other gods that would be the brash and unreasonable ones..... so the whole "kratos seems like a calm and reasonable person" meme may have a considerable amount of truth to it when you think about it
Surprisingly, I actually consider Cronos to be Chaotic Neutral for GoW 3. He was mostly minding his own business, and could have let Kratos go, but still chose to fight him.
I think Heimdall's actions may be understandable at the beginning because he knows that Atreus is a threat and he is just trying to protect Asgard, but he's also such a dick about it to the point of literally causing the end of the world by not wanting to accept mercy from his enemy
I really liked this concept, is very entertaining to know the perspective of a person on each characters. Although a lot of them were spot on, I will say the Ragnarok one is when the moral compass fell off. Being so many characters in Ragnarok, putting Bergeil in neutral instead of characters like Jormungandr (again), Angerboda, Sif, Skoll and Hati or the Norns even doesn't make sense. Also understand that animal cruelty is horrible but in no way that's more evil than the character who killed Ymir, massacred and tame the Vanir, order to kill all the giants in Midgard, lied to all his people, slaved Mimir and Tyr, killed his own son, etc. and then put him in Lawful Evil. In that case he should be in Chaotic Evil and Heimdall in Lawful Evil because yes, he is an asshole but he does only what Odin tell him to do, he's just a weapon to him. This is what I think. I would replace other characters like Gryla to put more important characters and changed Freya and Loki's position. I wonder also why you didn't put Tyr in the list knowing his appearence in Valhalla. Nontheless, I think it was a good list.
Oh right, Ascension was a game that existed. I wonder if the game would've been better received on the Vita. It's a prequel, which would've fit with the other two and the...lower stakes of it all, I guess, would've fit too, essentially filling in bits and pieces of more backstory. And the online portion probably would've been nicer playing with people in the same room, which handhelds allow us to do. All in all, I love these alignment videos. I hope we get more in the future, if you're up to it. If you're not feeling it, then no worries. I'd rather get a video you're passionate about over something done just to please the fans or algorithm.
4:54 - I strongly disagree. I would switch places with Kratos and village oracle. What she did was absolutely justified and Kratos absolutely deserved it. Kratos was the wild and bloodthirsty animal who kills everything in sight, if he just stopped his bloody crusade as his wife was asking none of this would happen. So Kratos in the first game was EVIL
To me, Kratos counts as neutral evil. He did kill without mercy, but he never enjoyed it. It was the job Ares gave him. He was a monster, but he never lost his humanity completely. Also, the oracle can be classified as evil if you believe the theory she was one of the Furies from ascension.
I definitely think Kratos is Neutral Evil in the first game. He has a code that he follows sometimes (protect women and children he holds dear) but behaves chaotically in every other aspect of who he should kill or sleep with. He also kills tons of innocent people for those juicy health orbs, or the boat captain just because, so he is definitely not a good person lol.
He killed Captain because the former tried to cowardly abandon his ship first (which captain should never ever do, making sure everyone else escaped), and Kratos always hated cowardice
@@Skarrier yes that's one of reasons why he called Hermes a fly from the ass of zeus because the only thing he can do is run away He was also shown to be extremely disgusted when the Persian king offered his kingdom to spare him He also killed the scholars in gow 2 because they used others as a sacrifice to meet the sister of fate
I still find it funny Kratos doesn't kill the village Oracle just does a light push out of his way. Even after she puts the ashes on him and does a gloating laugh
I prefer Kratos most in Chains of Olympus and God of War 1. In CofO, kratos is the most good he is in the series, reluctantly killing a guy when the man wishes it, and he is a loving father, but that's kind of in every game, he just slowly loses himself throughout the series.
48:40 No, the most evil character in the game is the Raven Keeper bc she takes the souls of children and turns them into the ravens that Odin has stationed across the world. Essentially enslaving the souls of children that were sacrificed to Odin
honestly could make a argument for gow 2018 that thor is chaotic evil, we hear stories on how he kills the giants in pure vain, he beats his son to a pulp, and we see him at the end of the game show up at kratos house. Baulder makes more sense but still would’ve been cool to mention
I had to wait to not only get the game but beat it to come back and finish watching this. Glad I did since you did have a spoiler early in the Ragnarok section.
If I remember correctly the "fire" that Prometheus gifts the humans isn't only actual fire but rather the ability to make it by giving them freedom of thought. Also supposedly he and Zeus created the humans to begin with.
I think Loki was right not to say anything about the iron forest or Angrboda, not for anything but because Odin was always present, and if he had found out that there was another giant alive besides him, perhaps things would have changed drastically, like threatening her with death so that Loki can do what he wants, or kill them all (including Loki) so that he has a better chance of surviving Ragnarok and using Angrboda as a substitute for Loki.
The problem is simple though, he doesn’t give a damn anout how worried everyone is. They believe he went to Odin cause why else would he not talk? Plus he didn’t know tyr was odin, i understand not wanting to talk in the realms (they still talk about plenty of classified information where the ravens can listen) so it is a bit inconsistent on their part.
@@victory8928 Atreus didn't tell them that he didn't go to Asgard but were they the ones who didn't believe him? I understand the point, but it should not surprise Kratos that his son does the same thing he did, and that he indirectly "taught" him what it was basically to hide secrets for good reasons, not only him, for this game Atreus also knew that His mother also did that, someone he admired a lot, so he probably thought why not me too? Even Freya knew that, if you do the mission to free the first hafgufa in Alfheim, and no. The information that was really classified, such as Heimdall or the ghallarhorn issue, was discussed in private. Several things (like Garm or Tyr) did not matter to discuss in private if when he went to Asgard he realized that Odin already knew about those things, or with Freya as well and in that case he was not even present on that topic.
I would think Hera would be the True Neutral of God of War 3. She clearly doesn't like what Kratos is doing to the world, but she's not in Zeus' corner either for fairly obvious reasons. And really, how wrong is it to try and kill Kratos at this point? (Get used to me using that logic.) GoW3 Athena would be Chaotic Neutral because she's absolutely knowingly coaxing Kratos into destroying Olympus just so she can take over the decimated remains. She might be egotistical in thinking only she is fit to guide the world and every other potential rival needs to die, but she has the intent of bettering the world, potentially becoming a tyrant (i.e. Lawful Evil) in the future. Funny thing about being Chaotic is that, once you take out the previous Lawful, you basically become the law through a logical combination of "might makes right" and "you break it, you buy it". I'm not sure I'd put Pandora on the Lawful side, more True Good than Lawful. If anything, basically being gung-ho to put out the Flame of Olympus, knowing full well what it meant for Zeus, certainly wouldn't make her lawful. She seems somewhat ambivalent of who wins between Zeus and Kratos, having far more concern with doing what's right. The corrupting evil afflicting Zeus is her true target, while Zeus is more or less a victim of the corruption. The corruption is why the fight between the two even happened in the first place, and it's that evil which Pandora truly sought to destroy, not Zeus per se. I'd make the Lawful Good of GoW3 Poseidon, actually. He's very blatantly on Zeus' side, though more because of an awareness of what Zeus' death means than any endorsement of his brother's evil acts. He knows full well that Zeus is going down a dark path, even though you don't find that out until long after his death. Even then, the worst Poseidon ever does is fight Kratos and the titans, and self-defense shouldn't count against Poseidon's morality. Hercules is an alright pick for GoW3's Lawful Neutral, though I'd also give contention to Hades. All the suffering and torment Hades causes is meted out as just by the Three Judges, who are arguably about as lawful as Zeus himself, if not more. Hades seems content to do his job, taking issue with Kratos simply because of how Kratos wronged him before, even stating as much before their fight. It's not as personal to him as it might seem. Just because Hades is assigned to deal with the assholes of the Greek afterlife, Kratos _very_ much included, it doesn't necessarily make Hades a bad guy, if not necessarily a good one.
21:03 - Athena is evil. She is the true mastermind behind all of this. She was willing to sacrifice everything and everyone so she could rule the world alone
In the Vanaheim crater, the travelers you fight drop letters written to them by Birgir to give up the path of the traveler, because if they don't they will die
I feel like if people wanna debate entries on these sorta things they should offer an alternative themselves. lmao Otherwise it's "Okay they don't fit? Guess that spot is empty cuz I couldn't think of anyone else from all the ones I already looked into for these videos."
I mean in Ascension, there are characters like Redeemed Warrior, Aegaeon, Athena and Zeus in single player so there are enough characters to put The Furies as a single entity for the alignment chart imo.
I don't know think The Oracle is Lawful Neutral. Even she had no idea that Kratos would move on from being Adolph to being a noble family man centuries later.
I'd argue that post credits Kratos in Ragnarok is a true Lawful Good. He's abandoned the things that held him back and actively encourages the good in himself and others.
I would say Kratos MIGHT be Lawful Good in the next game, at least for a time being, in a position of authority, in the council of rulers of the Norse lands, as a (finally) good God of War
Athena helped Ares take Deimos because Zeus ordered them too and Athena loves her father, she was there because she didn't want the Marked Warrior to cause an Apocalypse in Greece and honestly felt like she was saving everyone, she also cared for Kratos before her death and corruption from Pandoras Box
In Ragnorak, I believe Týr should've been true neutral. You can find him after the end of the story, imprisoned And even tho he wasn't in the actual story, he has more story than Birgir across the 2 games tho (2018-Ragnorak)
I don't agree with ghost of Sparta Athena as evil, because she didn't belive she did the wrong thing by kidnapping, it was the kindapping that she ALLOWED to happen than being the reason behind it to happen, she allows it as she goes with Ares to save Kratos. "I was there for you, you had to be saved" Shes still neutral in that game.
Gow - Kratos is chaotic evil, he doesn't respect laws and is willing to harm innocents to accomplish his revenge. The ends do not justify the means. Gow2 - Kratos is chaotic evil. He obeys no rules and murder whomever bothers him whenever he pleases. He has no moral qualms about anything. Chains of Olympus - Neutral good. Here he is willing to sacrifice everything he cares about for the sake of others, he hasn't become evil yet. Gow 3 - Kratos is still chaotic evil. He acts like a complete idiot for the entire game and most of his actions are done out of spite.
I know that spot is already occupied by Odin, but I'd say Heimdall is lawful evil. Yes he's a bully and a massive douchebag, but he literally works for Odin, the guy that runs the joint, and he never disobeys him. He follows and enforces the law in Asgard, even if his methods of doing so are questionable at best. Sindri even calls the mistletoe arrows "straighter than Heimdall", meaning that Heimdall is obsessed with the rules, even if he thinks that knowing people's intentions gives him the right to be an asshole.
Just a random thought so let me know if i'm off base: Is it possible that the Last Spartan is Atreus? not 'Krato's son atreus' but the kid's namesake I mean.
Thanatos, despite being on the wrong side and torturing a child for decades by order of the Olympians, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to kill us because we killed his daughter, don't get me wrong, she was a bitch, she asked for it, but she leaves me Thinking a little that in Ascension it is implied that he was a good father to her, basically he is a son of a bitch, but a good father, he is still bad, right?
Edit: The game where everyone is competing to be the biggest asshole is both a very funny and unironically great tagline for a videogame. In my opinion, Kratos should’ve been titled as Neutral Evil for God Of War III, Athena should’ve been Chaotic Evil for that game, and Gaia should’ve been True Neutral, but a very bad True Neutral. Daedalus should be lawful good. He actually seemed like a nice guy who was doing his job. He rightfully turned on Zeus once he realized Icarus is dead. Hephaestus should be neutral good. Pandora is chaotic good. Edit: 11:22 Funnily enough, if they let Kratos pass and go after Zeus and temporarily granted him time travel, or if they went back in time and killed Kratos AFTER he killed Thanatos, they could’ve survived. 16:20 I mean, he didn’t know that he would’ve destroyed ALL of existence. Suicide wasn’t his plan. Still extremely reckless and destructive, though.
I agree that Birgir is still a minimal presence in Ragnarok, but saying he has no personality because you chose not to engage with his content is absurd.
@@komrade5748 You can talk to him several times before and after you save him. I agree that he's still pretty simple, but TBP phrased his point incredibly poorly. "I guess," "I don't know," and "Apparently" is a very poor foundation with which to make a definitive statement.
I feel like the Fates could've been a better spot for True Neutral in Ragnarok. They were a bit dickish towards Kratos, Freya and Mimir, but they're really just observers of Fate and pointing out how before Ragnarok itself their lives were so predictable as to be told through prophecies. Not to mention they still told Kratos about Heimdall which was their main goal in the first place.
6:24 The Last Spartan is legit one of the most underrated characters in the entire franchise. He was eternally loyal to Kratos, went through absolute hell to change Sparta's fate, and even managed to hold his own for a moment against the God of War himself in a pitch-black room. Dude needs way more respect.
Plus, he went through to that point faster than Kratos despite the latter being a god, and having his gear, and the former being mortal. That takes mad skill and tons of gumption
He also survived the attack that destroyed all of Sparta by zues with the Blade of Olympus. That's not a light feat considering he's fully mortal.
I have a theory that he’s the Spartan that Kratos named Atreus after
@@Kaijugan Unless Kratos lied at the end of God of War 2018 about his (Atreus of Sparta's) fate, The Last Spartan could NOT have been Atreus of Sparta. "When the day came for him to lay down his life in battle, his sacrifice saved countless others, and turned the tide in our favor. I carried him home on his shield, and buried him with all the honors of Spartan custom. His memory was a comfort in dark times."
@@andrewames247 That could have been him sugar coating things a bit. I mean, a good number of the fans have pointed out that his Horse and the Stag story could have been an analogy to his deal with Ares. And in Ragnarok he told a story of hesphestus and Pandora that was a half truth, so it’s not impossible
23:23 - absolutely agree. God of War 3 is the absolute peak of Kratos' evil
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I disagree.
I think he was the absolute worst in GOWII, when he was definitely a terrorist that rampaged through cities like fucking Ares.
@@DanialTarkibasically kratos just replaced his brother as God of war he did what exactly ares wanted to do he brought olympus down as the prophecy was told the god of war will bring down olympus
@@devilkingmusic3Step brother to be exact
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 half brother to be exact
I would argue that by Ragnarok, Atreus is unquestionably Chaotic Good. While I get why Freya took the spot, I feel that by Ragnarok, Atreus was now fully capable of his own moral compass, and it never once truly strayed away from good. Sure, he was with Odin for a long time, but it was all because he genuinely thought Odin could offer him insight and answers, so he could understand himself and not hurt anyone he loved. He’s chaotic by nature of being all over the place, flipping between which side he’s part of the whole game (and being Loki), but he’s unquestionably good in my eyes.
If anything, I would have put Freya in Chaotic Neutral for the sole reason of the first half, in which her vengeful nature made her only crave Kratos’ blood. If Kratos’ desire for revenge and his disregard for anything other than said revenge slides him down on the moral slider, I’d argue that Freya spending so much time in a similar mentality ultimately balances her out to Chaotic Neutral, even if she’s ultimately Good.
Also, I would have put the actual Tyr, the one found post-game, as the True Neutral by virtue of not getting the chance to do anything.
Totally agree
Well unless you count Valhalla where he helps kratos accept the title of god of war once more.
In the novelization, it's revealed that Athena was working behind the scenes to help Kratos by convincing the other gods to grant him more power and was going to give him what he asked for but Zeus overruled her to deny the removal of the memories, and as he was the king she was forced to obey him
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"To some people its the death of God of war" well then those people are stubborn and do not understand change is necessary for a franchise to thrive and continue on
Ascension also showed that the innovation had reached a dead end for the old design
That's not the case for franchises like Saints Row and Mortal Kombat. Change can be either good or bad. GOW changed for the good but I just prefer the greek games overall.
I think the most chaotic evil in the series was the Ironwood section for being so painfully dry and slow.
The joke
It didn't bother me much was nice to see atreus have fun for once
Omg I hated all his solo missions
I didn’t do my New Game+ playthrough until last month because I was dreading the Ironwood section.
Sad thing is that the game is my all time favorite of anything I've played, but as much as I thought Ironwood was cute, it was only annoying to me because it kept acting like it was about to end. There was no indication that it was going to be a whole level, and then it just... Was. It was cute and all at first, but seeing all of that just repeatedly pulling our threads, it's just dumb.
Killing Heimdall was way more satisfying than defeating Odin. I have a save right before that fight so I can go back and kick his ass whenever I want.
I’ve would’ve gone with angraboda for lawful good.
Literally just following the role she’s been told to
I like the idea that the last spartan is actually the Atreus that he names his son after
Not gonna lie when Kratos says he named Atreus after a Spartan I thought of the last spartan! Not sure if his story matches up but I like to think so
@@veryannoyedrnunfortunately it doesn’t line up, since Kratos talks about how he buried Atreus with all the customs
@komrade5748 yeah that's the one thing that pokes a hole in the theory u.u
@@komrade5748shame, they coulda had something there. Oh well.
I thought the last spartan was the one he killed before fighting that kraken in GOW 2
"I ain't saying he's a grave digger - but he ain't dealing with no dead 👀" lol I really wonder what's the end of that rhyme 😂 very risky TBP 😂
He danced on the edge of chaos and survived.
From Neutral Good to Chaotic Evil and back to Neutral Good. Now that's what i call an interesting character. Also, in this shorter manner of seeing Kratos' moral alignments, it's easier to see how natural his transformation really is in the Norse saga. This video is recommended to watch to everyone who thinks Ragnarök killed the character.
Maybe it's the fact that they think he was *always* a monster even during the Greek Saga.
It was
GOW Ascension - Chaotic Neutral
GOW 1 - Chaotic Good
GOW CoO - Neutral Good
GOW GoS - Chaotic Neutral
GOW II - Neutral Evil
GOW III - Chaotic Evil
GOW 2018 - Chaotic Good
GOW Ragnarok - Neutral Good
Remember the first Norse game got people thinking Kratos God of War "grew up" with the 2018 game. No offense. But Kratos wasn't a full-on Monster until III/Ghost of Sparta because by then he was tired of lies
You ever notice how the protagonist tends to be chaotic?
His blades match his demeanor
“IN THE END, THERE WILL ONLY BE CHAOS.”
Thats typical of Anti heroes
47:13 - he's acting very accurate considering the fact that he's Loki, the god of mischief
I’d put GoW2 Kratos as chaotic neutral tbh, a lot of the stuff he does is bad but also pretty understandable given the circumstances. What else would you expect to happen if a Spartan general was suddenly given control over every conflict?
Find it funny but oddly fitting how Kratos throughout the series mainly is within the chaotic or neutral spectrums with the occasional sprinkles of other alignments every once in a blue moon. I also think as previously with past videos, these alignments were great. Wish we could see more videos like this, but I suppose to be fair it does take a lot of time and effort to make stuff like this.
And they get less views unfortunately
Sad that Deimos was killed off. He would have been a good Uncle for Atreus.
I like ironwood. I like that it’s slow and it’s a chance for Atruis to be just a kid. I think it’s hard for us to recognize that it sucks that Atruis is doing the stuff he is doing. He lost his mother, for his early childhood he’s had a cold father, he becomes a murder and now hold an entire race of people on his shoulders he isn’t even 18 yet. He is a kid and ironwood really shows that in my opinion and I’m happy the game slowed down to show it
I agree that it's alright on a first playthrough but even then it's a bit too long. What makes it even worse is that they constantly tell you that it's almost over, when in reality it's only the beginning. You know it's bad when even the story people don't like it. On a repeat playthrough however, it is criminally boring. Why would you want to sit through 2 hours of cutscenes and walking when you already know what's gonna happen? God of War is a game with lots of replayability, and thus a lot of people play it countless times, but having 2 hours of basically holding the stick forward completely kills that replayability. That's why Ragnarök is probably the least replayed GoW game because nobody wants to go through Ironwood and the other Atreus missions ever again. This could have been completely solved by making these missions skippable on repeat playthroughs, but of course not because Santa Monica needs you to experience their magnificent story a billion times over, something which is made abundantly clear by the fact they're taking 4-5 months adding cutscene skipping, a feature that almost every game has on launch, many games even letting you skip short cutscenes, puzzles and boring gameplay sections. I know I just wrote an entire novel about a very inconsequential topic, but as someone who wasted hundreds of hours of his life playing Atreus missions, I simply needed to get my frustrations out.
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If only the pacing was good then it could have been a great bit
finally someone understands
I kind of don't like the fact that it is long but I accept it without any problem considering it's a very integral part of Atreus's character........ He wants to explore the world in his own way without his father constantly dragging hum down and keeping him safe and it plays an important part of making atreus independent
One irony that I've always loved in the GoW trilogy. Despite Krato's reputation, it would be the other gods that would be the brash and unreasonable ones..... so the whole "kratos seems like a calm and reasonable person" meme may have a considerable amount of truth to it when you think about it
Surprisingly, I actually consider Cronos to be Chaotic Neutral for GoW 3. He was mostly minding his own business, and could have let Kratos go, but still chose to fight him.
I think Heimdall's actions may be understandable at the beginning because he knows that Atreus is a threat and he is just trying to protect Asgard, but he's also such a dick about it to the point of literally causing the end of the world by not wanting to accept mercy from his enemy
Shockingly, you're missing out with the Birgir side quest lol
I really liked this concept, is very entertaining to know the perspective of a person on each characters. Although a lot of them were spot on, I will say the Ragnarok one is when the moral compass fell off.
Being so many characters in Ragnarok, putting Bergeil in neutral instead of characters like Jormungandr (again), Angerboda, Sif, Skoll and Hati or the Norns even doesn't make sense. Also understand that animal cruelty is horrible but in no way that's more evil than the character who killed Ymir, massacred and tame the Vanir, order to kill all the giants in Midgard, lied to all his people, slaved Mimir and Tyr, killed his own son, etc. and then put him in Lawful Evil. In that case he should be in Chaotic Evil and Heimdall in Lawful Evil because yes, he is an asshole but he does only what Odin tell him to do, he's just a weapon to him.
This is what I think. I would replace other characters like Gryla to put more important characters and changed Freya and Loki's position. I wonder also why you didn't put Tyr in the list knowing his appearence in Valhalla. Nontheless, I think it was a good list.
only TBP can make a "moral alignment" video very enjoyable to watch.
Oh right, Ascension was a game that existed. I wonder if the game would've been better received on the Vita. It's a prequel, which would've fit with the other two and the...lower stakes of it all, I guess, would've fit too, essentially filling in bits and pieces of more backstory. And the online portion probably would've been nicer playing with people in the same room, which handhelds allow us to do.
All in all, I love these alignment videos. I hope we get more in the future, if you're up to it. If you're not feeling it, then no worries. I'd rather get a video you're passionate about over something done just to please the fans or algorithm.
4:54 - I strongly disagree. I would switch places with Kratos and village oracle. What she did was absolutely justified and Kratos absolutely deserved it. Kratos was the wild and bloodthirsty animal who kills everything in sight, if he just stopped his bloody crusade as his wife was asking none of this would happen. So Kratos in the first game was EVIL
To me, Kratos counts as neutral evil. He did kill without mercy, but he never enjoyed it. It was the job Ares gave him. He was a monster, but he never lost his humanity completely. Also, the oracle can be classified as evil if you believe the theory she was one of the Furies from ascension.
I think someone forgot how spartans were and the type of life they lived.
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Killing your own wife and child is never ok and it can't be justified
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I wasn't talking about that, my man.
He literally gets tricked on doing that.
I was talking about everything else.
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While true, he didn’t know it was them until it was too late, thanks to Ares. It’s not completely Kratos’s fault.
Actually, stuff like the God of War 2 novelization and the Unearthing the Legend documentary flat out confirmed that the Grave Digger was indeed Zeus.
4:50 I mean he did potentially kill her family and loved ones as well. More True Neutral.
I agree
I definitely think Kratos is Neutral Evil in the first game. He has a code that he follows sometimes (protect women and children he holds dear) but behaves chaotically in every other aspect of who he should kill or sleep with. He also kills tons of innocent people for those juicy health orbs, or the boat captain just because, so he is definitely not a good person lol.
Chaotic neutral serves Better
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He killed Captain because the former tried to cowardly abandon his ship first (which captain should never ever do, making sure everyone else escaped), and Kratos always hated cowardice
@@Skarrier yes that's one of reasons why he called Hermes a fly from the ass of zeus because the only thing he can do is run away
He was also shown to be extremely disgusted when the Persian king offered his kingdom to spare him
He also killed the scholars in gow 2 because they used others as a sacrifice to meet the sister of fate
I still find it funny Kratos doesn't kill the village Oracle just does a light push out of his way. Even after she puts the ashes on him and does a gloating laugh
I prefer Kratos most in Chains of Olympus and God of War 1. In CofO, kratos is the most good he is in the series, reluctantly killing a guy when the man wishes it, and he is a loving father, but that's kind of in every game, he just slowly loses himself throughout the series.
19:35 - yeah Hephaestus deserves better
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48:40 No, the most evil character in the game is the Raven Keeper bc she takes the souls of children and turns them into the ravens that Odin has stationed across the world. Essentially enslaving the souls of children that were sacrificed to Odin
honestly could make a argument for gow 2018 that thor is chaotic evil, we hear stories on how he kills the giants in pure vain, he beats his son to a pulp, and we see him at the end of the game show up at kratos house. Baulder makes more sense but still would’ve been cool to mention
I had to wait to not only get the game but beat it to come back and finish watching this. Glad I did since you did have a spoiler early in the Ragnarok section.
The fact that Aphrodite is Kratos great-aunt is crazy to me
Well, it is Greek myth.
17:28 - that's pretty damn accurate 😂
Actually, remember, Hephaestus only looks like that due to the torture at the hands of Zeus.
If I remember correctly the "fire" that Prometheus gifts the humans isn't only actual fire but rather the ability to make it by giving them freedom of thought. Also supposedly he and Zeus created the humans to begin with.
The Grave Digger is literally Zeus
I think Loki was right not to say anything about the iron forest or Angrboda, not for anything but because Odin was always present, and if he had found out that there was another giant alive besides him, perhaps things would have changed drastically, like threatening her with death so that Loki can do what he wants, or kill them all (including Loki) so that he has a better chance of surviving Ragnarok and using Angrboda as a substitute for Loki.
The problem is simple though, he doesn’t give a damn anout how worried everyone is. They believe he went to Odin cause why else would he not talk? Plus he didn’t know tyr was odin, i understand not wanting to talk in the realms (they still talk about plenty of classified information where the ravens can listen) so it is a bit inconsistent on their part.
@@victory8928 Atreus didn't tell them that he didn't go to Asgard but were they the ones who didn't believe him? I understand the point, but it should not surprise Kratos that his son does the same thing he did, and that he indirectly "taught" him what it was basically to hide secrets for good reasons, not only him, for this game Atreus also knew that His mother also did that, someone he admired a lot, so he probably thought why not me too? Even Freya knew that, if you do the mission to free the first hafgufa in Alfheim, and no.
The information that was really classified, such as Heimdall or the ghallarhorn issue, was discussed in private. Several things (like Garm or Tyr) did not matter to discuss in private if when he went to Asgard he realized that Odin already knew about those things, or with Freya as well and in that case he was not even present on that topic.
Great job dude
I would think Hera would be the True Neutral of God of War 3. She clearly doesn't like what Kratos is doing to the world, but she's not in Zeus' corner either for fairly obvious reasons. And really, how wrong is it to try and kill Kratos at this point? (Get used to me using that logic.)
GoW3 Athena would be Chaotic Neutral because she's absolutely knowingly coaxing Kratos into destroying Olympus just so she can take over the decimated remains. She might be egotistical in thinking only she is fit to guide the world and every other potential rival needs to die, but she has the intent of bettering the world, potentially becoming a tyrant (i.e. Lawful Evil) in the future. Funny thing about being Chaotic is that, once you take out the previous Lawful, you basically become the law through a logical combination of "might makes right" and "you break it, you buy it".
I'm not sure I'd put Pandora on the Lawful side, more True Good than Lawful. If anything, basically being gung-ho to put out the Flame of Olympus, knowing full well what it meant for Zeus, certainly wouldn't make her lawful. She seems somewhat ambivalent of who wins between Zeus and Kratos, having far more concern with doing what's right. The corrupting evil afflicting Zeus is her true target, while Zeus is more or less a victim of the corruption. The corruption is why the fight between the two even happened in the first place, and it's that evil which Pandora truly sought to destroy, not Zeus per se.
I'd make the Lawful Good of GoW3 Poseidon, actually. He's very blatantly on Zeus' side, though more because of an awareness of what Zeus' death means than any endorsement of his brother's evil acts. He knows full well that Zeus is going down a dark path, even though you don't find that out until long after his death. Even then, the worst Poseidon ever does is fight Kratos and the titans, and self-defense shouldn't count against Poseidon's morality.
Hercules is an alright pick for GoW3's Lawful Neutral, though I'd also give contention to Hades. All the suffering and torment Hades causes is meted out as just by the Three Judges, who are arguably about as lawful as Zeus himself, if not more. Hades seems content to do his job, taking issue with Kratos simply because of how Kratos wronged him before, even stating as much before their fight. It's not as personal to him as it might seem. Just because Hades is assigned to deal with the assholes of the Greek afterlife, Kratos _very_ much included, it doesn't necessarily make Hades a bad guy, if not necessarily a good one.
21:03 - Athena is evil. She is the true mastermind behind all of this. She was willing to sacrifice everything and everyone so she could rule the world alone
>she is true mastermind
Well you guys still haven't gotten over the ridiculous Theory yet?
Gow 1 Kratos was so honorable compared to Gow 3 lmao. Less yelling too
highly disappointed why this video doesnt have millions of views
i would say magni lawful neutral modi chaotic evil spot there conversations where magni points out to Modi how effed his infanticidal tendencies are
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In the Vanaheim crater, the travelers you fight drop letters written to them by Birgir to give up the path of the traveler, because if they don't they will die
I feel like if people wanna debate entries on these sorta things they should offer an alternative themselves. lmao
Otherwise it's "Okay they don't fit? Guess that spot is empty cuz I couldn't think of anyone else from all the ones I already looked into for these videos."
I mean in Ascension, there are characters like Redeemed Warrior, Aegaeon, Athena and Zeus in single player so there are enough characters to put The Furies as a single entity for the alignment chart imo.
I don't know think The Oracle is Lawful Neutral. Even she had no idea that Kratos would move on from being Adolph to being a noble family man centuries later.
Fair point😂
I'd argue that post credits Kratos in Ragnarok is a true Lawful Good. He's abandoned the things that held him back and actively encourages the good in himself and others.
I would say Kratos MIGHT be Lawful Good in the next game, at least for a time being, in a position of authority, in the council of rulers of the Norse lands, as a (finally) good God of War
I was hoping Thrud was going to be represented.
Considering Sindri turn at the end, I would put Thrud as Lawful good.
you would think the second to last spartan would recognize Kratos blades of chains amd fire
Athena helped Ares take Deimos because Zeus ordered them too and Athena loves her father, she was there because she didn't want the Marked Warrior to cause an Apocalypse in Greece and honestly felt like she was saving everyone, she also cared for Kratos before her death and corruption from Pandoras Box
Zeuuuuus your son has returned I come seeking the weed of Olympus
I would say "those aren't crows, those are ravens" but there isn't much of a distiction
In Ragnorak, I believe Týr should've been true neutral. You can find him after the end of the story, imprisoned
And even tho he wasn't in the actual story, he has more story than Birgir across the 2 games tho
(2018-Ragnorak)
Love your content keep up the great work
12:12 abandon child quick time event
The lady warned Kratos, he did not care... That's why She cursed him...
I have a theory that the Last Spartan is the same Spartan Kratos named Atreus after
17:16 lmao so true
He goes “anyways”💀💀💀💀 nice
These videos have been fun! What would you say your morality is?
I don't agree with ghost of Sparta Athena as evil, because she didn't belive she did the wrong thing by kidnapping, it was the kindapping that she ALLOWED to happen than being the reason behind it to happen, she allows it as she goes with Ares to save Kratos.
"I was there for you, you had to be saved"
Shes still neutral in that game.
Fun fact about heimdall: he's misguided by odin to begin with.
Also like it or not he was right about atreus
This shows us that throughout the games,kratos has been more good than evil. But man does gow2 and 3 drag him down
ratatoskr is pretty cool too.
Gow - Kratos is chaotic evil, he doesn't respect laws and is willing to harm innocents to accomplish his revenge. The ends do not justify the means.
Gow2 - Kratos is chaotic evil. He obeys no rules and murder whomever bothers him whenever he pleases. He has no moral qualms about anything.
Chains of Olympus - Neutral good. Here he is willing to sacrifice everything he cares about for the sake of others, he hasn't become evil yet.
Gow 3 - Kratos is still chaotic evil. He acts like a complete idiot for the entire game and most of his actions are done out of spite.
What about poseidon and helios and hades from gow 3?
Think Birgir could be replaced with Angrboda.more important character and sorta just following fate's script.
Cool vid bro.😺
@ 36:17 pretty sure you mixed up alecto and tisphone as each other
The only game I disagree with is Ascension and Athena's spot in Ghost of Sparta.
I know that spot is already occupied by Odin, but I'd say Heimdall is lawful evil. Yes he's a bully and a massive douchebag, but he literally works for Odin, the guy that runs the joint, and he never disobeys him. He follows and enforces the law in Asgard, even if his methods of doing so are questionable at best. Sindri even calls the mistletoe arrows "straighter than Heimdall", meaning that Heimdall is obsessed with the rules, even if he thinks that knowing people's intentions gives him the right to be an asshole.
Just a random thought so let me know if i'm off base: Is it possible that the Last Spartan is Atreus? not 'Krato's son atreus' but the kid's namesake I mean.
It’s Chains of Olympus really less consequential than Ascension?
Haphaestus did deserve better. But he should’ve known better than to plot on kratos. Someone who has proven so formidable is beyond you, Haphaestus
anything to protect your child
i still think Zeus was the most evil more than Kratos, Kratos at least was gonna save Pandora, and the Gods were Evil after all.
19:33 guy has to be big tho
Thanatos, despite being on the wrong side and torturing a child for decades by order of the Olympians, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to kill us because we killed his daughter, don't get me wrong, she was a bitch, she asked for it, but she leaves me Thinking a little that in Ascension it is implied that he was a good father to her, basically he is a son of a bitch, but a good father, he is still bad, right?
Edit: The game where everyone is competing to be the biggest asshole
is both a very funny and unironically great tagline for a videogame.
In my opinion, Kratos should’ve been titled as Neutral Evil for God Of War III, Athena should’ve been Chaotic Evil for that game, and Gaia should’ve been True Neutral, but a very bad True Neutral.
Daedalus should be lawful good. He actually seemed like a nice guy who was doing his job. He rightfully turned on Zeus once he realized Icarus is dead.
Hephaestus should be neutral good.
Pandora is chaotic good.
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11:22 Funnily enough, if they let Kratos pass and go after Zeus and temporarily granted him time travel, or if they went back in time and killed Kratos AFTER he killed Thanatos, they could’ve survived.
16:20 I mean, he didn’t know that he would’ve destroyed ALL of existence. Suicide wasn’t his plan. Still extremely reckless and destructive, though.
I agree that Birgir is still a minimal presence in Ragnarok, but saying he has no personality because you chose not to engage with his content is absurd.
Isn’t the most of what happens is that he sacrifices himself, you save him, and that’s it? It’s accurate. He’s just “I’m good guy who sacrifice self”
@@komrade5748 You can talk to him several times before and after you save him. I agree that he's still pretty simple, but TBP phrased his point incredibly poorly. "I guess," "I don't know," and "Apparently" is a very poor foundation with which to make a definitive statement.
Zeus is the Gravedigger
Odin is definitely way more evil then heimdall
I think the most chaotic evil was the censorship on the breasts
What's Helio's Moral alignment
You forgot about the 2d one you can only play on a phone
I said in the very first paragraph "with the exception of Betrayal" there's not enough characters in that game to fill up the list.
PLEASE NEXT IS DEVIL MAY CRY MORAL ALIGNMENT OF CHARACTERS AND MORALITY CODE OF CHARACTERS IN DEVIL MAY CRY
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51:08 whats the name of the song here please
Nah, Village Oracle is Lawful Based.
50:17 - 50:19: freaking Misandrist grifters I'm telling you TBP.
Bro forgot poseidon and hades in god of war 3
And everyone forgots Helios 😭
you...didnt do the valheim quest? huh? thats get important wife content
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I feel like the Fates could've been a better spot for True Neutral in Ragnarok. They were a bit dickish towards Kratos, Freya and Mimir, but they're really just observers of Fate and pointing out how before Ragnarok itself their lives were so predictable as to be told through prophecies. Not to mention they still told Kratos about Heimdall which was their main goal in the first place.
Kratos did almost nothing wrong