@@TheDoomsdayzonerThat is in no way true, at all. Helios, son of Hyperion & Theia, brother of Eos, titan of the sun; Apollo, son of Zeus & Leto, brother of Artemis, god of light
@@mediamanjamessmith251 oh geez. You guys sure forget that he literally is Helios in GOW. GOW ain't "correct" mythology. Instead it's changed and simplified.
Zeus would kill them off Nobody was strong enough to do anything to him, all of the main gods were apart of his army. I think Artemis didn't attack since she felt some type of way about it. Most of the gods actually appreciated how Kratos saved them numerous times. But killing Zeus they just didn't want to get in the middle of, it's best for them to not involve themselves
Yeah and they could literally talk about their bows, what they’ve hunted, and who made their bows and some other stuff. “So wait did you two know my father? He said he was a Spartan named Kratos.” The two look at each other with horror.
There's so much redundancy in the greek pantheon that it seems like every god Kratos killed could easily be replaced by another & the replacements could restore & rebuild the world after GoW3.
Maybe that could be used to explain the Roman gods as being the survivers taking up the old Pantheon's roles for a new civilization. Who knows maybe Jupiter could just be Apollo pretending to be like another Zeus.
Indeed. Or you could have the background element of the surviving Greek gods bringing back the dead gods or find replacements. The ultimate irony being that eventually kratos is directly picked to fill the role of either Mars, or Jupiter(in the case of him becoming Jupiter, it’s prophecy going full circle. Zeus eventually has his position as king of the gods taken by his son who kills him). This could lead into a division in the factions, as Atreus and kratos are seperated but wiser now, but their actions do have further consequences, as Atreus ends up acquiring new knowledge while kratos is elsewhere seeking a measure of penance for his mistakes. The Roman pantheon being the successor or surviving Greek gods leading to Atreus and kratos fighting them as you have their conquest mirroring the expansion and assimilation of the other pantheons into their own, maybe aligning with the dark imagery of them absorbing the gods defeated into themselves to help claim their powers and domains. Suddenly minor gods of lesser domains could be elevated as you have a fight where to rebuild the pantheon and strengthen it, they must absorb and claim the powers of the other gods as their own.
Dionysus as a boss actually has so so much potential for a ton of reasons, for one he actually predates the Greek pantheon, he’s existed almost as long as wine itself has, he was originally a god of wine, madness, death and rebirth who was worshipped by those on the outskirts of society; when the Greeks made their pantheon they initially left him out because they didn’t approve of him but they eventually changed the way he was portrayed to be more light hearted and he was welcomed into the pantheon Dionysus has some truly eldrich stuff he can do in stories, true madness, getting people to tear others limb from limb, mind controlling people into his followers; the dude is legit terrifying and it would’ve been so cool too see that version of him as like a main antagonist in a God of War game
Funny enough he was the youngest god of the "main" twelve Olympians. And wine was not that ancient according to greek mythology. So dionisius is not older than the olympians by traditional greek mythology.
Wasnt dionisious born out one of Zeus sexual ventures but the mother died 6 months into pregnancy and Zeus put him as a fetus inside his leg tô complete gestation?
@@Jpx0999that is the explaination for his existence in the mythology. Mythology explanations don’t always link to the true history of a deity but the tales more popular to the people in that locale and time.
Imagine being the Goddess of Eternal Youth, to a people who does not have Eternal Youth. Also, since Helios God of the Sun, was in the game, it always bothered me that his sister, Selene, Goddess of the Moon wasn't there. In fact, It really did bother me that so many gods that we know exists in this game, as they've either shown up, such as Artemis, or were mentioned, such as Apollo, were never adressed in God of War 3, or afterwards.
From Santa Monica's perspective, I imagine the issue is that it would have made the game feel bloated or anticlimatic if the game brought up so many more Gods briefly only for Kratos to ignore them or quickly kill them. Like, the Gods GOW 3 does have, the game spends a fair amount of time developing some sort of rivalry and relationship with Kratos in the brief time that God has. Like, even though Hermes isn't a huge threat to Kratos, he still has an extended sequence with Kratos where we learn a bit of his character and have some sequences with him before Kratos kills him. It would be hard to replicate that for the potentially hundreds of Gods they could have included.
I think it is quite simple to explain those gods didn’t want to protect Zeus. That or they just didn’t want to die. Lore wise anyhow. Gameplay wise, it just would bloat the game
I remember when I first heard about GOWIII and how it would be "the end of the gods" I imagined that Olympus would be heavily populated by gods. Both major and minor. I imagined that many minor gods would be quickly dispatched, not through boss fights, but either as minor enemies or quicktime events. (Or they'd be killed in cutscenes by other gods/titans) Like a part of Olympus would have the art gods together, or that the water gods, nature gods, etc would work together in themed groups based on their relationships with everyone.
Yeah. I do think the idea of, if not a boss a rush, like a quick gauntlet where Kratos goes through multiple minor Gods as a way to show how desperate Olympus is getting would be really cool
yeah, while I enjoyed god of war 3 for the most part, it was kind of a let down after the built up from god of war 2 (which is still my fav. of the series). Like for example, what is up with the ice scorpion, is not a bad fight but it feels a bit out of place and certainly not pre-final-boss material
I do kinda feel like that might take away from the importance of these gods and their real life counterparts. Like it would be kinda shoehorned in if kratos had to fight a bunch of gods that were just introduced into the franchise, and take time away from the gods we already know of. Im sure the team working on the original trilogy sought to interpret the wide array of gods in greek mythology in their games without making everything to crowded.
@@genuinerodent5243 they're wouldn't have even had to give them names. just identify them as minor gods and through them at Kratos. or just have collapsing parts of Olympus visually killing them.
The Goddess of Persuasion could be used as like a level concept, where she has influenced all these enemies to attack you and slow you down so she could escape, leading to a curbstomp cutscene when you finally catch her, she tries to persuade Kratos to stop and its like a struggle QTE to resist so Kratos can finish her off
Makes sense but its more likely that most kept naturality were kept from joining with the help of minor figures like her. Making minor figures the ones that would establish the order that kratos have undone. It would be intersting to see coming to greece while going to egypt and seeing it become mostly okay. Of course we can't meet them all but they could monitor them passing by. Allowing some minor figures to tell what happened after kratos left it. Possibly trying to involve them in the fight between various gods that couldn't become major gods. Such as various sun gods, moon gods. Also the problem of realm of dead being destroyed need to be resolved as well. It would be interesting how much arteus learned from kratos' struggles.
I've always loved the idea of Aphrodite heading south to Egypt and finding a home there, waking up to the weirdness the evils in Pandora's box did to her. Hell, be funny to find her totally reinvented herself like Kratos did and she's an outright badass.
It's interesting because I feel this is another misconception that often gets grafted onto the older God of War games. People tend to think they were all about killing Gods and nothing else, when in reality, that's not entirely true. In fact, like you said, you actually don't end up killing that many Gods in most of the older games. For example, in GOW 1, the only God you kill is Ares, and that's at the very end of the game. Not to mention, it's literally the whole point of the game and the main goal. The only game where it feels like you're killing a God every five minutes is GOW 3, but it at least makes sense there since you're in a full-on war against them. You're not just killing them for no reason or because you can. To me, this is another case where since GOW 3 was the most popular game in the Greek series and the one that most are familiar with, people just look at that game and think that's how the series always was until GOW 4 came along, similar to how people think that Kratos was nothing but a shallow, one dimensional, murderous rage monster before Dad of Boy. Kratos wasn't JUST killing Gods in the older games. He was doing other things as well, such as searching for his brother, tracking down Helios, and trying to break his oath to Ares. While he may kill a few other beings and monsters along the way, that's not really much different from all the beings and monsters you have to kill in the newer games, too. It's ironic because a lot of people will tend to use this point as a way to downplay the newer games, saying how they're too "tame" or they're not "true" God of War games because you're not killing Gods the whole time, but really, all they're doing is just painting the older games in that very same shallow image they hate so much. Unintentionally I'm sure, but God of War was never JUST about slaughtering Gods left and right. Sure, it might have been a major selling point of the older games, but it wasn't the only selling point. They were much more deep and layered than that.
@chandllerburse737 I don't think that's accurate though. For one, it's not like Kratos was 100% an innocent bystander that did nothing to earn the ire of the Gods. Like at the start of the story of GOW2, Kratos is going around destroying cities for Sparta. He's doing the exact same thing that Ares did. That was what Athena used to justify killing him back in GOW1. Kratos is openly disregarding and being disrespectful to Athena wh straight up tells him "with every city you destroy, the wrath of Olympus grows. Soon I will no longer be able to protect you". And later, when Zeus takes Kratos power and offers to spare Kratos in echancge for Kratos putting an end to his arrogant streak, Kratos continues to disrespect and belittle Zeus who then kills him. Of course, you can make the point that Kratos has grown bitter from how the Gods did not help cure his trauma. But at the same time, you can argue that from Gods POV, Kratos wasn't doing himself any favours. If Kratos did show more restraint and care, he probably wouldn't have made so many enemies on Olympus (see Herculues). And secondly, even though Kratos says " he does not seek to destroy Olympus only Zeus", the issue is that in order to destroy Zeus, he has to destroy Olympus. Remember, the Gods in GOW are tied to natural phenomena. Killing Poisidon caused massive tidal waves. Killing Hades trapped souls in the underworld. Killing Helios caused the sun to fall out of the sky. For Zeus, it's said that "he is Olympus". And by the end of GOW3, Kratos basically brought down the apolcapse. Even if he only killed Zeus without killing any other Gods, it's heavily implied that would also have caused natural disasters. If anything, I would argue GOW is the story of how Kratos goes from being a sorta sympathetic anti-hero in GOW1 to beginning a heel turn that feels justified in GOW2 to becoming worse than the Gods he is fighting in GOW3 all for revenge he comes to regret later.
It's interesting to wonder what the other gods in Olympus were thinking in that regard. The only gods he killed were ones ploting, infected, or in the way of Kratos. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone who were sane simply stayed away. Knowing fully what was going on amd stepped in when it was safe to do so.
I always thought that it would be interesting to see a story where Kratos is returns to the Greek realm, either by choice or force, where the remaining Greek gods are trying to fill the blanks left by Kratos' rampage. Kratos has to deal with the effects of his decisions directly, while we get to see how the Greek world has recovered in the time between his exile and his return. Think of these ideas: Apollo and Demeter could be working together to try and get the sun (and maybe the moon) to function again. We could also have Eos and Astraeus in here as well. Aether could be involved as well, as he could be the one organizing the efforts to clear the skies after Greece was plunged into darkness. Aeolus could be in here because he, much like the last four, is having to fix the damage done by the destruction of those who previously worked with them. He could be trying to control the winds and storms after the directional winds were all killed. Nike, Bia, and Zelus trying to fill the void first left by Ares, and then Kratos. They have to struggle to properly govern over war, and we can have some family drama as Kratos has to teach them. (Maybe we even get a reveal that Kratos was their brother.) Asclepius struggling under the immense need for medicinal care and his struggle to properly help all those in need. Triton and/or Amphitrite trying to fill Poseidon's role as the god of the sea, and try and control the cursed waves so humanity can live in peace. Achelous could also be included here, with some kind of quest to deal with the sea being pushed in through the rivers of Greece. Demeter trying to help people by fixing the plagues and famines caused by curses of Pandora's box being released physically, while also still dealing with the grief of her daughter being killed. She'd be pretty interesting as we could combine the "freaky obsessive mother" version of Demeter with the "mournful and lonely mother", allowing us to both have an interesting character, and maybe even a fight or two as she struggles with her emotions towards her daughter's killer Attis could also show up here, as they would have a hand in the restoration of Greece's plant life. Their specialization in the circle of life would be an interesting contrast to the chaos enveloping Greece, and the stressed-out mom energy of Demeter. Chronos would also have a hand in the idea life, death, and rebirth. He could have a position as trying to make up for the sister's of fate's death, and could have some interesting and contemplative moments as we dive into the contrast between his chaotic and unpredictable way of governing time in comparison to the way that the sister's tried to weave fate to their liking. Aristaeus is a great one for this idea, as he could be using his beekeeping and cheese making skills to create provisions and help those who are without food because of the collapse, but he wouldn't be doing something as major as trying to set the sun back in motion. He's a small time guy and that could be an interesting contrast to the rest of the gods and their major struggles. Dionysus is another one like this. He's the god of drink, and in a time of great chaos, he'd be trying to keep spirits up and wine flowing. His attitude could serve as a contrast to the more organized Aristaeus, as the two would be trying to feed Greece, each with a different approach to it. And at the center of it all we could have Hestia. I think we could write some lore that Zeus had tried to imprison her, as he believed she served as a threat to his place as the king of the gods. But she escaped, and Zeus turned his attention to other matters. When Kratos led the final assault on Olympus, and everything dived into the darkest night, Hestia reappeared. Rallying the remaining gods, she set to work rebuilding Greece, leaving behind Mount Olympus to be among the people. The gods no longer a light on a hill, distant and ambivalent, but a warm presence, who are in the center of the people, rather than above them. All this goes to say that I think there's some real potential for a lot of these characters to be involved in a vast story covering what happened to Greece after Kratos wrecked shop.
Some of these gods are titans and seing how god of war put good titans (like Oceanus) on the side of Gaia in the third game, i would not be surprised if Astreaus was also one of these titans killed in the third game or other place, since is stated that he was a enemy of Zeus by the ancient sources.
i've written a similar theory long time ago. however, my theory consists in a conspiracy from those surviving greek gods against zeus and his allies, so they can be free to create their own pantheon after kratos destroyed the olympus and kill their supposed enemies.
The "Goddess of Deceit" boss fight could be Kratos having to fight a friend and/or family member. Kratos doesn't understand why they are doing this and when he wins the fight it turns out it's the Goddess of Deceit.
Better yet : It truly is his allies, but they're being tricked by the Goddess of Deceit into fighting Kratos and it results in their death ... moments before Kratos realizes they were being manipulated. A little bit like Kratos being tricked by Ares into slaughtering his family, but this time, it's his closest allies who are tricked into attacking him ... and the end result is the same : Kratos ends up killing people he cares about ... Well, it is a Greek tragedy, after all ...
Funny enough, I had actually had an idea for a 'fourth main game' that was about setting Kratos on the path to atonement that featured several of these gods. Specifically it was Artemis, Aphrodite, and Dionysus (along with some of the other gods) dredging up Kratos and telling him he needs to go a-killing one last time for them. Specifically, Eris, as a goddess of discord, conflict, and chaos is having a ball of a time in the ruined world and is working with a few others to stomp out those shreds of hope Kratos bled out. Kratos is tired, depressed, and the worst part is Nemesis and Demeter are basically harassing him endlessly wanting justice. (with this video, guess we can throw Hecate into that group) So the plot is a bit of Kratos coming to terms with his transgressions, working to do more than stab himself to make things right, and getting his groove back. Namely when it turns out the oracle who told Zeus and the other Olympians the prophecy of The Marked Warrior to begin with that set Kratos and zeus down the paths of madness was none other than Eris in disguise who also taunts how little she actually had to do to set things into motion.
I think Circe could've worked as the main villain (or at least the right hand of someone like Erebus or Phobos) of a smaller PSP game like Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta as some uber powerful sorceress goddess who wants to take over the world or something. I could easily imagine Kratos coming across some Greek soldiers sent to her island and he then finds them all turned into pigs where they're either found already slaughtered or they're eaten by cyclops and other monsters. And also, during her boss fight, she can also turn Kratos into an animal, but instead of a pig, he's instead turned into a big boar (I played a lot of Age of Mythology) who can still fight back but is obviously much weaker... also, one of the unlockable costumes is basically Kratos as a manbearpig or something like that.
Aristaeus could have made for a good joke boss. He unleashes bees and cheese on Kratos, but when he's actually hit in a later stage of the fight, it takes just one blow to stop him.
Out of all the cut gods I really wish we got to see Apollo & Artemis. With Artemis being in GoW1 & the Apollo statue in Ascension I think smtg interesting could've been built.
8:58 The thing Circe is best known for is turning men into animals in the Odyssey. So a fight between her and Atreus in a future game might be interesting.
Weirdly enough, I know Circe cause she's a reoccurring Wonder Woman villain who does shit like that. ( I think her powers were even countered by shapeshifters like Plastic Man and Beast Boy)
Dionysus would fit boss fights pretty well since he was also a warrior god from his conquest of India. He's also a friend to Satyrs and has a posse of always crazy women following him around.
Deimos, Morpheus or Hypnos could either be a fun way of going back through old fights with multiple phases or forcing Kratos to fight characters he felt guilty about killing. The Last Spartan, Orkos or Deimos come to mind. Something else interesting would be fighting himself in a dream. Young Kratos in multiple phases... or something like the Sorrow in MGS3 but for those characters he's killed like his mother or Calliope or Pandora or Deimos or Last Spartan and Orkos. Apollo and Artemis would probably be more like Magne and Modi, but archers. One is the light and the other is darkness. So it could be in a light phase, but the other phase would be dealing with an archer in darkness. Deceit though could literally mess around with illusions or reflections. So either a mirror fight of Kratos vs Kratos and that's it... or something more like the mirror boss fight in Splatterhouse on the PS3/360.
7:47 Extensive knowledge of medicine implies extensive knowledge of disease and poison. So I could actually picture Asclepius as being the godly equivalent of a mad scientist, using all manner of poxes against you.
2:12 While it wasn't a boss fight. Audio files extracted from the God Of War 3 source code showed that Aphrodite was originally going to die in the game. The general concept was that after Kratos killed Hephaestus he would be pass back through Aphrodites Bed Chamber, where the player would be given the option to either get into bed with her one more time, or skip it and go straight to the next goal. If Kratos does get into bed with her, she pulls a knife and tries to shank him. And in response Kratos throws her through the portal and leaves her to rot alongside the corpse of her dead husband. If Kratos passes by her and exits the room immediately she says something like. "Fine! Go kill Zeus for all I care! Don't expect me to be waiting for you when you're done!" and slams the door in Kratos face.
Eos would have died as she said in Chains of Olympus that if Helios dies, she would die also Eros is mentioned in Ascension when the Furies make Kratos hallucinate Erebus (in some sources) actually became the domain of Hades, which was referred to as Erebus before eventually being changed to Hades
They could bring the surviving gods in a Egyptian theme game,since there is a tale in Greek mythology where the gods where kicked out of the Olympus by the giants, and they hide away in Egypt using different names(this was how greek mythology explaing the Egyptian pantheon ) with Apolo leading the gods as Ra,Arthemis as Isis,Aphrodite as Bastet......
@@nagatouzumaki4047the gods fled from Typhon, not the Giants, you can know more by searching Typhon/Typhoeus, here are some of the sources to what he said: Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 28 "Typhon was the son of Ge (Gaea, Earth), a deity monstrous because of his strength, and of outlandish appearance. There grew out of him numerous heads and hands and wings, while from his thighs came huge coils of snakes. He emitted all kinds of roars and nothing could resist his might. He felt an urge to usurp the rule of Zeus and not one of the gods could withstand him as he attacked. In panic they fled to Aigyptos (Egypt), all except Athena and Zeus, who alone were left. Typhon hunted after them, on their track. When they fled they had changed themselves in anticipation into animal forms. Apollon became a hawk [i.e. the Egyptian god Horus], Hermes an ibis [the Egyptian god Thoth], Ares became a fish, the lepidotus [Egyptian Lepidotus or Onuris], Artemis a cat [Neith or Bastet], Dionysos took the shape of a goat [Osiris or Arsaphes], Herakles a fawn, Hephaistos (Hephaestus) an ox [Ptah], and Leto a shrew mouse [Wadjet]. The rest of the gods each took on what transformations they could. When Zeus struck Typhon with a thunderbolt, Typhon, aflame hid himself and quenched the blaze in the sea. Zeus did not desist but piled the highest mountain, Aitna (Etna), on Typon and set Hephaistos on the peak as a guard. Having set up his anvils, he works his red hot blooms on Typhon's neck." Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 196 : "When the god in Egypt feared the monster Typhon, Pan bade them transform themselves into wild beasts the more easily to deceive him. Jove [Zeus] later killed him with a thunderbolt. By the will of the gods, since by his warning they had avoided Typhon's violence."
With Circe and Hecate being the goddess's of sorcery and magic, their potential fight could've involved manipulating Kratos's magic abilities. Like either nullifying the magic bar or causing them to backfire on Kratos.
Caerus: God of Luck: I actually think you can do something with this one. Maybe more of a puzzle boss. You could have it that Careus' luck allows him to seamlessly dodge or avoid Kratos' attacks. And leave traps by just knocking stuff over that targets Kratos. So the way to beat him would be to tire him out like Sans in Undertale or get him to make a mistake to allow Kratos to grab him or something and then use him to open a path. Like, lets say there's a trapped floor where the sequence to safely cross is unknown. Once Kratos gets his hands on Caerus, he could use him as bait to safely navigate the floor, and then throw Caerus away who managed to luckily land safely and flee. Plutus: God of Wealth: This could add to your "Kratos has to fight a gauntlet of Minor God Bosses" idea as something of a joke or change of pace. When it's Plutus' turn. He tries to bribe Kratos to leave. Kratos refuses. Plutus tries to pay his soldiers to fight Kratos but they're so terrified of him that they flee. So Kratos ignores Plutus and moves on.
6:37 Funnily enough, if God of War was more accurate to the myths, they'd use Zelus instead if they want a male protagonist or Bia if they want an accurate depiction. 22:41 heh... Bia there. A 4-player game starring Nike, Kratos, Bia, and Zelus would be amazing, for sure. Also, the surviving deities rebuilding Greece on the level of humans would be a cool idea.
Im so glad that someone actually made this into a video. Its a real missed opportunity to not include all of the olympians in 3. Artemis, Apollo, Dionysus and/or Hestia and Demeter. Demeter is especially the oddest case because you killed Persephone in Chains of Olympus. Corrupted or not, Demeter was a very clingy and vindictive mother that would absolutely want to kill Kratos, even if he didnt attack olympus.
I think Eris (Godess of Chaos) could play a similar role like her appearance in Sinbad. Basically flirting and seducing Kratos and taunting him while she uses her chaos based powers to destroy Kratos. As for Nemesis, I thought the only reference to her was the Nemesis Whip. However would be an awesome boss fight. But as for Nyx on the other hand, my head Canon has always been that she was one of the primordial gods of the GOW universe, especially considering that she's the mother of all bad things while Chaos is the father of all things chaos. Also please do a part 2 where you discuss Norse gods who survived the event of ragnarok and how they could function as potential boss fights, or possible allies.
An idea that i have enjoyed was that since kratos left greece for scandinavia, artemis would leave as well. Ending up the leader of the wild hunt trying to hunt down the monster who destroyed her homeland.
According to rumors, there is speculation of an expansion that takes place after the events of Ragnarok, where players assume the role of Atreus. In the expansion, it could be intriguing to introduce Apollo and Artemis, but under different identities. Initially, they could encounter Atreus on friendly terms, unaware of his heritage. However, their perspective changes drastically once they discover Atreus is actually the son of the feared Ghost of Sparta, Kratos. This revelation prompts Apollo and Artemis to turn hostile, driven by a desire to eliminate Atreus. Recognizing the danger, Atreus manages to escape their clutches and formulates a plan to warn his father, Kratos, about the brewing threat. Not without a fierce battle against both Apollo and Artemis, he eventually makes his way towards his father's location. Meanwhile, Apollo and Artemis make a vow to find and kill Kratos, consumed by vengeance and a thirst for retribution. However, their mission takes an unexpected turn when they encounter Athena, who informs them about someone who has been wronged by Kratos and Atreus. Adding to the suspense, Athena reveals Sindri, leaving the story on an enticing cliffhanger.
Bacon, im sorry. But your take on Nyx is completely wrong. Nyx, yes is the primordial goddess of night, yes. And guess what she is so powerful that ZUES is afraid of her. One time he was pissed at Hypnos for putting him to sleep, and so Hypnos when to his mother for protection a d Zues, turned right around when he learned she was involved, and noped out of there. As well, no. Nyx is not the mother of all monsters. That was Echidna.
I always thought Artemis and Apollo never making an Appearance in God of War 3 was a missed opportunity. I wish these 2 returned as a Spectre of Kratos's past coming back for revenge.
Phobos would be an awesome concept for a boss mine. (Edit: fight...not mine, FIGHT) I mean his name literally translates to fear, can you imagine how awesome a horror based area and boss would feel like? Man ever since i played Bloodborne I've been interested in horror like that, same with P.T. or even Fallout New Vegas DLC: Dead Money. That one horror part in Resident Evil 8 was so awesome too, if only GOW had a horror section like that, preferably in the first game i think it'd fit really well
If used in a new game, it would be interesting if you find any of those gods just wandering in the wild and initiate a side-quest of sorts, or a boss fight if they feel they have a grudge against you.
Nyx would of made those god of wars games way better since she is the goddess that Zeus feared which would of given this Zeus a bit of character before he tries killing you
The demos phobos thing took me a while to get but demos is more dread, think the eesukt of a good atmospheric in a horror movie, while phobos is panicking when taco bell kicks in while every bathroom is being used
The funny thing is, in GoW 3 Kratos didn't have any beef with any god BUT Zeus. Never once does he call any other god out, and some he even tries to avoid violence. He warned Hercules, Hera, and even Mercury. He didn't even want to kill Hephaestus.
I've always thought a fight with Chronos or maybe even "Father Time" would have a scene where Kratos had to face his younger self and we'd witness peak acting from Chris Judge and TC Carson. Maybe they'd fight throughout but when you beat young Kratos, the two have some sort of heart to heart. Maybe Kratos is forced to kill him in the end, I'm not sure. This wouldn't have any timeline shenanigans, I think this younger Kratos would be an illusion or pulled from somewhere to be put back.
I guess the devs didn't make you fight Morpheus cuz that would make "rescuing Helios" not a need at all without making the game last longer (it's way shorter than other GoW games, I've just finished it a week ago), so in that case we wouldn't have the endgame in the Hades/Fields of Elysium and Persephone involved at all, so Kratos basically had two options to stop the god's eternal dream: Find Helios or Kill Morpheus, but they told him to just go find Helios and he didn't knew how to deal directly with Morpheus instead, so he was just doing his job, but he was capable of directly trackingand killing the god of dreams (and maybe Hypnos too) if he was told to do so. If Chains of Olympus wasn't a PSP game and had the same main games length, Kratos would've fought Morpheus/Hypnos and then Charon and Persephone later
So, the reason Apollo became a sun god is that he and Helios became conflated, for some reason, the two becoming completely mixed. The same happened with Artemis and Selene.
I think the gods he DIDN'T kill were intentional, so that they can rebuild what was broken. Personally, I'm hoping that in the future he meets Dionysus in India, as a nod to that one work where Dionysus goes to India.
I don't think Kratos even cared, at that time in his life. He was Hell-bent on getting his revenge and killing whatever got in his way. He didn't plan to spare anything at all. The survivors are just those whose death did not further his goal. Either they were not hostile or they were not in his way or he did not need to kill them to gain a specific power or retrieve a specific item. Killing them would just have been a time-wasting, useless, distraction. Also, he views himself as a 'noble' warrior who commits atrocities for a 'noble' cause (such as for the glory of Sparta or for his revenge) - not as a mindless brute that just kills others for the sake of killing others. I know the distinction is quite difficult to make, considering the countless victims Kratos has sacrificed in a heartbeat (like setting fire to a caged soldier), but, to him, there is a distinction and that is justification enough for him not to kill every single god out there.
@@jackwilliam4436 No, I mean like intentional from a writer's standpoint. They definitely steered clear and he didn't bother hunting them since they served no obstacle.
@@rikajougasaki3296 Thanks. I thought you meant that Kratos had intentionally spared those gods so that the survivors could fix the world. Thanks for clarifying it.
About Asclepius, being the God of Medicine also involves knowing all about every poison and disease. So you could have Asclepius do things like create floor hazards, make himself dangerous in melee combat, infect his weapons of choice to poison/weaken/drain you... A few options.
Wouldnt really make a lot of sense for his character to be so aggresive tho When he was still mortal was a Skilled doctor that brought the dead alive, it would be pretty out of character that literally helps people to attack kratos like that.
@@raptormage2209 I agree that him being aggressive would be out of character, but that doesn't mean he can't or wouldn't defend himself by making himself hazardous to be around. Though, again, I agree that it makes more sense for Asclepius to not show up in the first place.
The greeks had a habit of not only splitting up roles but also the very gods themselves. Pan and Hermes used to be the same god, Apollo used to have Helios as one of his names, hell Hades didn't even exist until after Mycanean Greece became what we know as Ancient Greece, with Poseidon instead filling the role Hades had for most of the myths (hence why Poseidon had the epithet Earthshaker).
We get the Bow of Apollo as you said... But the character we get it from literally refers to it as "my bow". That has some STRONG implications, I'd say.
I think Alastor would be a better helping character as opposed to a boss. He’d seemingly agree with what Kratos wanted to do. So, he could have been a single level pre-cursor to Atreus. Where he’s like a little help friend who perhaps gets killed by a levels final boss.
Funny thing about Aphrodite. In ancient Greece she was actually a War Goddess to begin with. Sure love and all that we know of her were there too, but she was an offshoot of Ishtar according to scholars. Pretty interesting to think about. Aphrodite is also known to smite plenty of people, usually for being prettier than her or people claiming someone is prettier than her. Either way you become a target after that usually. So yeah I could see her choosing to fight if she really cared enough. Not to mention being given a good enough petty reason in her eyes. Course I doubt Kratos would ever think to bring her beauty into an argument really. If anything he might just get mad if she insults the women he's had in his life. Which would DEFINITELY get some of that classic rage boiling for sure. Never insult Kratos' dead wife and daughter. Hell even just insulting his dead Mother, Pandora, or if we ever see her again perhaps even a mention of Faye might all do it too. Really would depend on a number of factors on who'd get the insult that'd start Kratos up. May add more as I watch more, we'll see. Ok time for Demeter then, cool! Demeter could actually make an epic ass boss fight with a seasonal twist. It's heavily implied that Demeter is the one who transitions the seasons, having created winter as a result of her grief when Persephone was taken by Hades(or whatever happened depending on the version, there's way too many to mention here). Not to mention the scythe having different attacks depending on the season she's using to fight you. Talk about phases huh? Also she'd have plenty of reason for going apeshit given what happened LAST TIME something happened to Persephone. You'd think her death would've had Demeter all gungho and ready to kill Kratos just as the others wanted to. Guess the writers somehow forgot most of the myths that she played a part in? I dunno. Maybe she'll come knocking in a sequel or something, who knows. Back to the video now, again. No lore dumps this time. Just minor nitpicks and some food for thought. Anyway for Hypnos and Morpheus, I'm chalking it up to laziness. There just, isn't an excuse for how pointless they turned out to be in the grand scheme of things. Also you'd think, much like with Demeter, they'd have a bone to pick with Kratos. It's implied as far as I know that Hypnos, Morpheus, and THANATOS are all children of Nyx. Thanatos' own demise could've easily spurred his brothers into proper action against Kratos this time. Maybe if you wanna give the writers the benefit here, maaaybe Hypnos and Morpheus just panicked when Kratos showed up the first time looking to smack them around some, if not worse. Imagine part of their reason for choosing to attack Kratos later being guilt over their brother's death. Much like how Kratos chased down and killed Thanatos over his own guilt of not being able to save Deimos. Narrative mirrors anyone? Also I'm aware I could be wrong about Morpheus being one of Nyx's children, sorry if that's the case and I messed up. Even so I can see Morpheus choosing to help Hypnos anyway. Again more mirroring of how Kratos and Deimos initially fought Thanatos together. Just adding onto the twin boss idea for them. See ya again when I edit this again, this is gonna be long, I can feel it. Not sorry tho. You know what, Imma just make a reply under myself for more instead after this. To break things up a bit more.
Circe is actually quite easy to theme a boss fight around I think. She's mainly known for showcasing power over men who trespass into her domain. Which she did to some of Odysseus' crewmates in the Odyssey. More specifically, she turns them into animals, usually pigs tho. Imagine her island being a whole ass dungeon with pigs and other dangerous animals on it. All ready to rip you apart under the whims of Circe herself? Then when Kratos proves enough of a threat she polymorphs him like she would anyone else. Perhaps it fails to work tho, as Kratos is a son of Zeus and like with Odysseus(another implied demigod if I recall right) her powers aren't as effective or plain don't work on him directly. So she has to resort to other forms of trickery alongside throwing much stronger animals at you. Sick of fighting normal piggies? Have a murderous wild boar! And hey, why not toss in a giant Tarantula as a subtle nod to Arachne! Maybe a giant snake? A wolf? Maybe even a stag for funsies? Anything is possible with this goddess really in terms of which animals she could throw at you. Maybe she may even bring back the Hydra from game one as a miniboss? Wouldn't that be a fun rematch with some toss ups in the mix so that it's not a carbon copy of the original boss fight.
Eros is a SON of Aphrodite, one she helicopter parents sometimes if the story of Eros and Psyche is anything to go by. Perhaps killing him would be another thing to get Aphrodite into warmode in hindsight. Although Eros may not even fight at all. For all we know he may have skipped town with his beloved wife and their own child Hedone. I'm honestly not too sure what you could do for a boss fight for Eros, let alone one for him and Psyche together. Again though, I'm all for them just chilling somewhere away from the fuss and mess. Preferring to not lose each other over Kratos' rampage. Maybe even helping Kratos if he spares them. With Kratos giving Eros respect for not wanting trouble for the sake of his family, but also willing to defend his own wife and daughter if Kratos goes aggressive, much like Kratos would've done for his own family. Kratos after all did respect Hephaestus for the exact same reason, just minus the wife part. I could see him also warning Eros to be mindful of Athena as well, as I could see such a meeting being most likely to occur in the third game. Just to be sure Eros has the best shot of being the Father he didn't get to be until he later meets Faye.
Given what Dreamworks' Sinbad was able to do with Eris, I could see her being a very chaotic deity. Chaos is her domain, and technically speaking she is the mastermind behind Troy where as Aphrodite was the catalyst through kidnapping Helen for Paris. So more specifically she's the goddess of chaos from strife if you wanna go with that. So yeah either she could prove to be very annoying to Kratos, or simply choose to sit on the sidelines and take a role similar to Vulgrim in Darksiders. Perhaps giving Kratos random stuff just to see what he'll do with them on his rampage. Whispering in his ear about various things, like providing info on certain gods he's after if he does something simple for her in return. Like perhaps even giving the games a new meter to fill up or collectables to gather for her. It'd be HILARIOUS if the item in question was the titular golden apple that started the whole Troy fiasco. Or if you were to go with a Chaos meter/counter, something cool can come with it alongside just giving that energy to Eris for whatever reason she may have that day. Could see her being quite fun actually.
Yes yes YES YES! I wholeheartedly agree with the idea for Hekate! Course being a witch myself, I can offer soms extra ideas too. So hey why not. I could see her using her Necromancy as a divination tool as well, something seen often in ancient cultures. And I'm pretty sure she had priestesses that did just that anyway. Imagine either meeting a priestess for her like the Oracle for Athena, or simply meeting Hekate herself. Hekate I could see taking numerous sorts of roles depending on how she's written. She pull a Mobius from Legacy of Kain Blood Omen and just give vague interpretations of the future. Granted that does tread into Zeus' whole old man disguise thing, but Zeus is way more straightforward with it than Hekate would likely be so I see no issue really. Also like Mobius she could use the vaguery to her advantage by throwing Kratos off her scent basically and into the paths of other deities as well. Or if you want a more benevolent role, she could be laying back from the conflict for reasons beyond Kratos' rampage once game 3 rolls around. Perhaps due to the evils being released, witch hunts against her followers began. So to protect them and herself, she hides away from everything going down. Waiting out the fight basically and not caring who wins ultimately. Only caring about her own worshippers and herself. Something that may get Kratos thinking a bit harder about what he's doing. Another hint that maybe he's gone too far this time. As Hekate doing this would essentially prove him wrong about the gods all being shitstains. Also I just would kinda like to see such a thing if only because I'm a witch myself. She's not among my current deities granted, but I do respect her highly. Kinda also wish God of War didn't do Gullveig dirty in the Norse games tho. It's actually theorized that Gullveig actually becomes Freyja. Much like how Freyja and Frigg are believed to be the same deity as well, something God of War actually uses for it's plot too. Gullveig was intially the goddess of witchcraft for the Norse, course if the knowledge I've got and the theories themselves are true(I personally believe so), then Freyja is still the goddess of witchcraft too. And to be fair some Freyja's actions in game still line up with that past self. Implying that witchcraft is in fact still one of her domains. Pardon the mini rant there heheheh...oops. Anyway, to the rest of the vid.
Hypnos strikes me as the type of guy to say "Brothers, the ghost of sparta will pay dearly for your deaths, i will avenge you !!!...after a 5 minute nap" then he just sleeps until Olympus gets destroyed.
So, for the Hypnos Morpheus fight, I was thinking that it's a Tag team thing. Kratos would be in a pitch black room, sleep walking where he would have slower movement and limited combos, fighting slow and weak enemies. Unlike the fodder enemies, both Hypnos and Morpheus are "invisible" in the arena, but the players could track them by their footsteps, either by sound, by dust particles/soundwaves or both. If Kratos gets too close to either of them they'll hit Kratos for a small chunk of health. If Kratos manages to hit Morpheus, the fodder enemies disappear for a short duration, if he kills Morpheus then the fodder is gone and Kratos is teleported in a hallway full of traps where the player has to maneuver around "invisible" traps (they still makes sounds based on proximity and there are soundwaves). If Kratos hits Hypnos, Kratos wakes up, the room becomes visible for a short duration of about 3 to 12 seconds and the fodder enemies become much faster. To make the fight with Hypnos last longer, Hypnos would teleport around the arena after each hits awake Kratos would land. If Kratos kills Hypnos, Morpheus hits harder and more quickly, he creates duplicate of himself (that does half the damage he normally does) and the fodder enemies now have a grab move. When killing both of them Kratos would get some item that would slow down enemies and summon fodder against bosses.
I imagine that for Geras it could be a small mini boss fight where he manages to get a drop on Kratos and age him to the point he’s as old as him. After that it’s about reaching him while lacking most of the strength and agility. Once you kill Geras Kratos could revert back to his young self and move on.
13:46 Dionysus actually IS in the series. Kinda. He is mentioned a few times in the God of War II novel, in reference to the story of Theseus and Ariadne. So he does exist. And there's also existing Concept Art of Dionysus that was made for God of War Ascension. 22:54 Ceto is actually one of the Primordial Gods shown punching each other to death in the opening cutscene of God of War Ascension. So she was already dead long before Kratos as ever born. 25:57 Iris appears in the God of War II novel where she has a surprisingly big role, getting into conflict with Hermes and trying to take his place on Olympus, and when that fails she ends up leaving Olympus right before Kratos invades it. So she got lucky and is still alive. 28:25 Nyx is also in the series. She is mentioned by name in God of War Ascension, where we also see a statue of her, and she's depicted in concept art.
According to Stig Asmussen, there was a scrapped idea in GoW III where Aphrodite would have a second sex mini-game, except this time she’d attempt to skewer Kratos with the daggers hanging over her bed, initiating a quick time event where Kratos would end up kicking her down to Hades. Additionally, Todd Papy said that Artemis was planned to be a playable character in Ascension, and she’s depicted with the lower half of a lion below her human-shaped torso, but this idea was also scrapped. The concept art for it is really cool, though.
We also have the surviving Greek Heroes who never appeared in the franchise such as: Bellerophon,Odysseus,Ajax,Orpheus,Achilles and Diomedes and in my opinion the gods: Dionysus,Hecate,Hestia,Demeter,Artemis,Apollo,Triton,Macaria,Asclepius,Melinoe and Hypnos along with the creatures: Cetus,Orthrus,Echidna,Sphinx and Karkinos/Carcinus They should have been in God of war 3 they are absolutely necessary and I don't know why they weren't used and included In this game that was supposed to be the final and be with the mains Gods who died and I also think there should be more two Greek games to close the franchise adding all these Gods,Creatures and Semi Gods/Heroes In the next games and I believe that in the future they can be used in future games when Kratos returns to Greece and these forgotten Gods,Creatures and Greek Heroes want revenge for everything that happened against now a good Kratos that became the new God of Hope It will be interesting/Incredible to see let's wait and pray for this to happen in the future.. 🤔🥺🤧😯😎✌️🙏 🙏 like and Bye!
I always pictured the surviving Greek gods banding together and fleeing to Rome (Italian Peninsula). There Aphrodite gives birth to Kratos’ offspring: either Mars, Minerva or both. The rest of the surviving greek gods start breeding again, ultimately creating the newer Roman Gods and Goddesses (Orcus, Janus, Bellona, Terminus, Laverna, Silvanus, etc). My guess is that Apollo would become the new King of the Gods, also called Jupiter (Ius-Piter: “sky father”), Apollo would end up marrying his half sister Hebe (daughter of Zeus and Hera), who would take the name Juno (from Iuvenis: “youth”). Zagreus (son of Hades) and Triton (son of Poseidon) would inherit their parents realms, becoming Pluto and Neptune respectively. The TRAUMA caused by the destruction of Greece would make the new Roman society extremely militaristic, expansionistic, jingoistic and authoritarian. Eventually, this militarism would cause the collision with the Norse(Germanic) cosmos that Kratos rules as All-Father. The Romans would try to conquer the Norse cosmos, just as the Romans tried to conquer Germanía in real life. I would imagine Kratos wanting to defend his realms and his Norse people, but maybe he would be guilt-tripped by his abandoned child with Venus (Aphrodite), forcing Atreus to act on his own to stop the Roman-Norse war.
Id imagine a fight where you would have a phase where you would be put to sleep and fight in the dream realm, then damaging that boss enough you wake up, rinse and repeat
This is kinda making me want a game where Atreus in search of the giants finds the Greek gods that survived and has to keep a secret that his dad single handedly dropped half the gods
I partially love the idea of Kratos going to other lands and finding gods/goddess from greece in other areas that have been exiled after its destruction, perhaps in Egypt or maybe (as a cool concept) they escaped to Rome and adopt their new Roman names as to try to reimburse the mythology. Its an interesting thought especially with gods/goddess of revenge and justice missed out in the series, we could see them try to go against Kratos for his crimes in Greece while Kratos explains why and how he's changed. Although I think Kratos has confronted his past mentally it would be another thing entirely to confront it physically and I think thats interesting enough to have a side plot of him finding peace with the remaning Greek gods.
The truly scary thing about Dionysus is that he is _literally_ the only other god to have canonically used Zeus's thunderbolts, something no other god has done. Kratos had to be given that power by Zeus personally, but Dionysus just, _did it._ Just picked one up and threw it, they are literally specifically made so that only Zeus can use them, and he straight up sidestepped that casually.
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I think one of the biggest surprises was not fighting Typhon. Giving how much of a nightmare he was in actual Greek Mythology, I am shocked they never made him into a boss to fight Kratos.
0:42 (In this list specifically) You forgot the titans Perses, God Of Destruction, who got stabbed right in the gotdamn eye (shout out to the Dragon Ball fans), Chronos, the literal God Of Time, (stabbed in stomach, mouth, and head), and Gaia, The Goddess Of Earth itself, who was stabbed in the heart and fell the fuck apart (Hey, that rhymes! She’s also a primordial, but she’s not a titan in Greek Mythology, surprisingly). And yeah, Aphrodite, Typhon, and Thera are obvious ones who actually survived. And also Chaos, for obvious reasons. TL;DR, and plus the Nordic/Norse Gods, Kratos has killed about 25 Gods in total. 28 if you count Erinys (daughter of Thanatos, not originally in Greek Mythology, and the Erinyes, who are the Furies, were already slain by this point in the series), Prometheus (demoted to demigod level by Zeus, technically speaking), and Sigrun (who could technically be considered a god or a demigod).
i like to believe Apollo was actually Kratos without Kratos knowing, and i personally believe Apollo, Artemis and Aprhodite are still alive and oh Atlas still holding the greek world as well.
Caerus could have worked as a heimdall style fight where his luck keeps letting him avoid your attacks and instead of a hp bar you have to deplete his luck or it's a puzzle boss where you have to set up a situation that no matter what his luck can't save him this time
@@TBP Oh, ok. It was not my intention to offend you or anything, i like both of your channels. It was kind of a "confirmation" to me, i was glad you did not give up and came back stronger.
Alastor: [Is the god of family feud/avenger of evil deeds] Me: No surprise that Dante got stabed by Alastor. Seriously, I thought Alastor was a made up name because I definitivly knew that Ifrit was a thing when I learn/remembered the weapon's name. I'm a bit hesitating to propose Zagreus because he's mainly known as a Dionysus epitath rather than a stand alone god outside of the Hades game. Great job on this video, glad to know Momus is a thing thanks to you 🙂
I always thought the idea of Artemis and Apollo teaming up with athena to hunt down kratos as he's rebuilding the 9 realms sounds cool.
That sounds so badass, I love it
Apollo got decapitated tho.....
He is Helios after all....
@@TheDoomsdayzonerhe is not
@@TheDoomsdayzonerThat is in no way true, at all. Helios, son of Hyperion & Theia, brother of Eos, titan of the sun; Apollo, son of Zeus & Leto, brother of Artemis, god of light
@@mediamanjamessmith251 oh geez. You guys sure forget that he literally is Helios in GOW.
GOW ain't "correct" mythology. Instead it's changed and simplified.
I actually would've really preferred more non boss fight god encounters. Just gods that agree with Kratos or are indifferent. Would be fun to see
You know the goddess of revenge was Kratos's biggest fan in the Greek days behind the scenes at least
"YEAH HONEY, GET THEY ASS"
@@matiaspereyra9392oh I can absolutely see nemesis getting down with Kratos.
@@matiaspereyra9392 Nemesis was the one who arranged the sick ass choirs singing in the background during boss fights
@@DriedJizzSockI love assuming that ingame music is always just a band just outside of view.c
Zeus would kill them off
Nobody was strong enough to do anything to him, all of the main gods were apart of his army. I think Artemis didn't attack since she felt some type of way about it. Most of the gods actually appreciated how Kratos saved them numerous times. But killing Zeus they just didn't want to get in the middle of, it's best for them to not involve themselves
I think a short novel on Atreus meeting a nomadic Apollo and Artemis would be great to put a little bow on the Greek Saga.
Yeah and they could literally talk about their bows, what they’ve hunted, and who made their bows and some other stuff.
“So wait did you two know my father? He said he was a Spartan named Kratos.” The two look at each other with horror.
"A little bow"... Nice pun lol
@@Writing_Gamer_513while Atreus is confused, “Why did you went quiet?”
They’d probably string him up
Except that Apollo’s head was ripped from his body.
There's so much redundancy in the greek pantheon that it seems like every god Kratos killed could easily be replaced by another & the replacements could restore & rebuild the world after GoW3.
Maybe that could be used to explain the Roman gods as being the survivers taking up the old Pantheon's roles for a new civilization. Who knows maybe Jupiter could just be Apollo pretending to be like another Zeus.
Indeed. Or you could have the background element of the surviving Greek gods bringing back the dead gods or find replacements. The ultimate irony being that eventually kratos is directly picked to fill the role of either Mars, or Jupiter(in the case of him becoming Jupiter, it’s prophecy going full circle. Zeus eventually has his position as king of the gods taken by his son who kills him). This could lead into a division in the factions, as Atreus and kratos are seperated but wiser now, but their actions do have further consequences, as Atreus ends up acquiring new knowledge while kratos is elsewhere seeking a measure of penance for his mistakes. The Roman pantheon being the successor or surviving Greek gods leading to Atreus and kratos fighting them as you have their conquest mirroring the expansion and assimilation of the other pantheons into their own, maybe aligning with the dark imagery of them absorbing the gods defeated into themselves to help claim their powers and domains. Suddenly minor gods of lesser domains could be elevated as you have a fight where to rebuild the pantheon and strengthen it, they must absorb and claim the powers of the other gods as their own.
@@GenericProtagonist118that’s be kinda dumb. Apollo is just Apollo
@@timelesswisdom. At the same time it's God of War, they've been known to stretch old myths and mess around with things.
@@timelesswisdom. and Apollo lived how is it dumb
Dionysus as a boss actually has so so much potential for a ton of reasons, for one he actually predates the Greek pantheon, he’s existed almost as long as wine itself has, he was originally a god of wine, madness, death and rebirth who was worshipped by those on the outskirts of society; when the Greeks made their pantheon they initially left him out because they didn’t approve of him but they eventually changed the way he was portrayed to be more light hearted and he was welcomed into the pantheon
Dionysus has some truly eldrich stuff he can do in stories, true madness, getting people to tear others limb from limb, mind controlling people into his followers; the dude is legit terrifying and it would’ve been so cool too see that version of him as like a main antagonist in a God of War game
Or maybe he was busy doing a capitalism selling wine to some random people during gow3
Funny enough he was the youngest god of the "main" twelve Olympians. And wine was not that ancient according to greek mythology. So dionisius is not older than the olympians by traditional greek mythology.
Imagine if they decided to include Maenads as an enemy type. That’d be insane (literally, lol).
Wasnt dionisious born out one of Zeus sexual ventures but the mother died 6 months into pregnancy and Zeus put him as a fetus inside his leg tô complete gestation?
@@Jpx0999that is the explaination for his existence in the mythology. Mythology explanations don’t always link to the true history of a deity but the tales more popular to the people in that locale and time.
Imagine being the Goddess of Eternal Youth, to a people who does not have Eternal Youth.
Also, since Helios God of the Sun, was in the game, it always bothered me that his sister, Selene, Goddess of the Moon wasn't there. In fact, It really did bother me that so many gods that we know exists in this game, as they've either shown up, such as Artemis, or were mentioned, such as Apollo, were never adressed in God of War 3, or afterwards.
From Santa Monica's perspective, I imagine the issue is that it would have made the game feel bloated or anticlimatic if the game brought up so many more Gods briefly only for Kratos to ignore them or quickly kill them.
Like, the Gods GOW 3 does have, the game spends a fair amount of time developing some sort of rivalry and relationship with Kratos in the brief time that God has. Like, even though Hermes isn't a huge threat to Kratos, he still has an extended sequence with Kratos where we learn a bit of his character and have some sequences with him before Kratos kills him.
It would be hard to replicate that for the potentially hundreds of Gods they could have included.
I think it is quite simple to explain those gods didn’t want to protect Zeus. That or they just didn’t want to die. Lore wise anyhow. Gameplay wise, it just would bloat the game
I remember when I first heard about GOWIII and how it would be "the end of the gods" I imagined that Olympus would be heavily populated by gods. Both major and minor.
I imagined that many minor gods would be quickly dispatched, not through boss fights, but either as minor enemies or quicktime events. (Or they'd be killed in cutscenes by other gods/titans) Like a part of Olympus would have the art gods together, or that the water gods, nature gods, etc would work together in themed groups based on their relationships with everyone.
Was going to say this, but you said it better
Yeah. I do think the idea of, if not a boss a rush, like a quick gauntlet where Kratos goes through multiple minor Gods as a way to show how desperate Olympus is getting would be really cool
yeah, while I enjoyed god of war 3 for the most part, it was kind of a let down after the built up from god of war 2 (which is still my fav. of the series). Like for example, what is up with the ice scorpion, is not a bad fight but it feels a bit out of place and certainly not pre-final-boss material
I do kinda feel like that might take away from the importance of these gods and their real life counterparts. Like it would be kinda shoehorned in if kratos had to fight a bunch of gods that were just introduced into the franchise, and take time away from the gods we already know of. Im sure the team working on the original trilogy sought to interpret the wide array of gods in greek mythology in their games without making everything to crowded.
@@genuinerodent5243 they're wouldn't have even had to give them names. just identify them as minor gods and through them at Kratos. or just have collapsing parts of Olympus visually killing them.
1:57 Aphrodite (Love)
2:33 Artemis(Hunt)Apollo
3:55 Demeter (Agriculture)
4:28 Eos(Dawn)
5:01 Morpheus (Dreams)
6:09 Hestia(Hearth/Home)
6:38 Nike(Shoes)
7:13 Kratos(Soyjak Pointing Meme)
7:48 Asclepius (Medicine)
8:15 Triton(Waves)
8:42 Amphitrite(Sea)
8:58 Circe(Magic)
9:40 Achelous(River)
10:15 Adonis (Say Gex)
10:43 Aether (Clouds)
11:05 Aeolus(Wind)
12:01 Alastor(aka Family Feud)
12:33 Aristaeus(Cheese)
12:41 Astraeus(Dusk)
13:04 Attis(Vegitation)
13:08 Caerus(Luck)
13:12 Chronos(Time)
13:49 Dionysus (Wine)
14:59 Eros(Horny)
15:23 Erebus(Darkness)
16:03 Geras(Old Age)
16:18 Hymenaios(Marriage)
16:30 Momus (Mockery)
17:01 Moros(Doom)
17:24 Pan(Nature)
17:50 Phobos (Fear)
18:40 Plutus(Money)
18:51 Priapus(Mating)
19:22 Achelios(Moon)
19:45 Alectronica(Sun)
20:03 Antheia(Swamps)
20:24 Aphaea(Nothing)
20:36 Apate(Deceit/Lies)
21:30 Astraea(Justice)
21:54 Até(Mischief/U mad bro)
22:25 Bia(Force)
22:52 Ceto(Dolphins)
23:06 Cybele(Replace Y with O to say a Bulgarian slur)
23:21 Eileithyia(Childbirth)
23:30 Eireisone(Extra Virgin)
23:35 Enyo(war)
23:43 Eris(Strife)
24:08 Harmonia(ohoo ohouo oho ohoo)
24:18 Hebe(Youth)
24:48 Hecate(Necromancy)
25:19 Hemera(Daylight)
25:41 Hygeia(Your worst enemy)
25:57 Iris(Rainbow)
26:58 Khione(Your soulmate)
27:26 Mania(Far Cry 3 reference)
27:41 Nemesis(Revenge)
28:25 Nyx(Night)
29:02 Oizys(Depression)
29:25 Orithyia(Cold mountain wind)
29:34 Peitho(Persuasion)
29:40 Pheme(Gossip)
29:43 Philotes(Friendship)
29:55 Psyche(Unemployed Tinkerbell)
Chronos more then likely was the same character as cronos
Yeah same person different interpretations of the cosmic abstract titan.
Unemployed Tinkerbell
dear god..
What about the god of envy, I kinda wanna see that one be something more then envy like he became like kratos he became something like a creator
The Goddess of Persuasion could be used as like a level concept, where she has influenced all these enemies to attack you and slow you down so she could escape, leading to a curbstomp cutscene when you finally catch her, she tries to persuade Kratos to stop and its like a struggle QTE to resist so Kratos can finish her off
Makes sense but its more likely that most kept naturality were kept from joining with the help of minor figures like her. Making minor figures the ones that would establish the order that kratos have undone.
It would be intersting to see coming to greece while going to egypt and seeing it become mostly okay. Of course we can't meet them all but they could monitor them passing by.
Allowing some minor figures to tell what happened after kratos left it. Possibly trying to involve them in the fight between various gods that couldn't become major gods. Such as various sun gods, moon gods. Also the problem of realm of dead being destroyed need to be resolved as well.
It would be interesting how much arteus learned from kratos' struggles.
it would be a struggle of NOT pushing the o button >.>
I've always loved the idea of Aphrodite heading south to Egypt and finding a home there, waking up to the weirdness the evils in Pandora's box did to her. Hell, be funny to find her totally reinvented herself like Kratos did and she's an outright badass.
Aphrodite is Ishtar again
She was a war and life god prior and after to Greece as well so it makes sense
It's interesting because I feel this is another misconception that often gets grafted onto the older God of War games. People tend to think they were all about killing Gods and nothing else, when in reality, that's not entirely true. In fact, like you said, you actually don't end up killing that many Gods in most of the older games. For example, in GOW 1, the only God you kill is Ares, and that's at the very end of the game. Not to mention, it's literally the whole point of the game and the main goal. The only game where it feels like you're killing a God every five minutes is GOW 3, but it at least makes sense there since you're in a full-on war against them. You're not just killing them for no reason or because you can.
To me, this is another case where since GOW 3 was the most popular game in the Greek series and the one that most are familiar with, people just look at that game and think that's how the series always was until GOW 4 came along, similar to how people think that Kratos was nothing but a shallow, one dimensional, murderous rage monster before Dad of Boy. Kratos wasn't JUST killing Gods in the older games. He was doing other things as well, such as searching for his brother, tracking down Helios, and trying to break his oath to Ares. While he may kill a few other beings and monsters along the way, that's not really much different from all the beings and monsters you have to kill in the newer games, too.
It's ironic because a lot of people will tend to use this point as a way to downplay the newer games, saying how they're too "tame" or they're not "true" God of War games because you're not killing Gods the whole time, but really, all they're doing is just painting the older games in that very same shallow image they hate so much. Unintentionally I'm sure, but God of War was never JUST about slaughtering Gods left and right. Sure, it might have been a major selling point of the older games, but it wasn't the only selling point. They were much more deep and layered than that.
Really great points.
@chandllerburse737 I don't think that's accurate though.
For one, it's not like Kratos was 100% an innocent bystander that did nothing to earn the ire of the Gods. Like at the start of the story of GOW2, Kratos is going around destroying cities for Sparta. He's doing the exact same thing that Ares did. That was what Athena used to justify killing him back in GOW1. Kratos is openly disregarding and being disrespectful to Athena wh straight up tells him "with every city you destroy, the wrath of Olympus grows. Soon I will no longer be able to protect you".
And later, when Zeus takes Kratos power and offers to spare Kratos in echancge for Kratos putting an end to his arrogant streak, Kratos continues to disrespect and belittle Zeus who then kills him.
Of course, you can make the point that Kratos has grown bitter from how the Gods did not help cure his trauma. But at the same time, you can argue that from Gods POV, Kratos wasn't doing himself any favours. If Kratos did show more restraint and care, he probably wouldn't have made so many enemies on Olympus (see Herculues).
And secondly, even though Kratos says " he does not seek to destroy Olympus only Zeus", the issue is that in order to destroy Zeus, he has to destroy Olympus. Remember, the Gods in GOW are tied to natural phenomena. Killing Poisidon caused massive tidal waves. Killing Hades trapped souls in the underworld. Killing Helios caused the sun to fall out of the sky. For Zeus, it's said that "he is Olympus". And by the end of GOW3, Kratos basically brought down the apolcapse. Even if he only killed Zeus without killing any other Gods, it's heavily implied that would also have caused natural disasters.
If anything, I would argue GOW is the story of how Kratos goes from being a sorta sympathetic anti-hero in GOW1 to beginning a heel turn that feels justified in GOW2 to becoming worse than the Gods he is fighting in GOW3 all for revenge he comes to regret later.
Bro really wrote an essay
It's interesting to wonder what the other gods in Olympus were thinking in that regard. The only gods he killed were ones ploting, infected, or in the way of Kratos. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone who were sane simply stayed away. Knowing fully what was going on amd stepped in when it was safe to do so.
Your last point is flawed. I don't dislike the new games because of the lack of god killing, I just like the old gameplay more.
I always thought that it would be interesting to see a story where Kratos is returns to the Greek realm, either by choice or force, where the remaining Greek gods are trying to fill the blanks left by Kratos' rampage. Kratos has to deal with the effects of his decisions directly, while we get to see how the Greek world has recovered in the time between his exile and his return. Think of these ideas:
Apollo and Demeter could be working together to try and get the sun (and maybe the moon) to function again. We could also have Eos and Astraeus in here as well. Aether could be involved as well, as he could be the one organizing the efforts to clear the skies after Greece was plunged into darkness.
Aeolus could be in here because he, much like the last four, is having to fix the damage done by the destruction of those who previously worked with them. He could be trying to control the winds and storms after the directional winds were all killed.
Nike, Bia, and Zelus trying to fill the void first left by Ares, and then Kratos. They have to struggle to properly govern over war, and we can have some family drama as Kratos has to teach them. (Maybe we even get a reveal that Kratos was their brother.)
Asclepius struggling under the immense need for medicinal care and his struggle to properly help all those in need.
Triton and/or Amphitrite trying to fill Poseidon's role as the god of the sea, and try and control the cursed waves so humanity can live in peace. Achelous could also be included here, with some kind of quest to deal with the sea being pushed in through the rivers of Greece.
Demeter trying to help people by fixing the plagues and famines caused by curses of Pandora's box being released physically, while also still dealing with the grief of her daughter being killed. She'd be pretty interesting as we could combine the "freaky obsessive mother" version of Demeter with the "mournful and lonely mother", allowing us to both have an interesting character, and maybe even a fight or two as she struggles with her emotions towards her daughter's killer
Attis could also show up here, as they would have a hand in the restoration of Greece's plant life. Their specialization in the circle of life would be an interesting contrast to the chaos enveloping Greece, and the stressed-out mom energy of Demeter.
Chronos would also have a hand in the idea life, death, and rebirth. He could have a position as trying to make up for the sister's of fate's death, and could have some interesting and contemplative moments as we dive into the contrast between his chaotic and unpredictable way of governing time in comparison to the way that the sister's tried to weave fate to their liking.
Aristaeus is a great one for this idea, as he could be using his beekeeping and cheese making skills to create provisions and help those who are without food because of the collapse, but he wouldn't be doing something as major as trying to set the sun back in motion. He's a small time guy and that could be an interesting contrast to the rest of the gods and their major struggles.
Dionysus is another one like this. He's the god of drink, and in a time of great chaos, he'd be trying to keep spirits up and wine flowing. His attitude could serve as a contrast to the more organized Aristaeus, as the two would be trying to feed Greece, each with a different approach to it.
And at the center of it all we could have Hestia. I think we could write some lore that Zeus had tried to imprison her, as he believed she served as a threat to his place as the king of the gods. But she escaped, and Zeus turned his attention to other matters. When Kratos led the final assault on Olympus, and everything dived into the darkest night, Hestia reappeared.
Rallying the remaining gods, she set to work rebuilding Greece, leaving behind Mount Olympus to be among the people. The gods no longer a light on a hill, distant and ambivalent, but a warm presence, who are in the center of the people, rather than above them.
All this goes to say that I think there's some real potential for a lot of these characters to be involved in a vast story covering what happened to Greece after Kratos wrecked shop.
So technically Kratos made good thing
Some of these gods are titans and seing how god of war put good titans (like Oceanus) on the side of Gaia in the third game, i would not be surprised if Astreaus was also one of these titans killed in the third game or other place, since is stated that he was a enemy of Zeus by the ancient sources.
Valhala kinda has the idea but only has helios and valhalas greece wich isn’t really greece
They would also need a new Hades to keep the dead in check wonder who that could be
i've written a similar theory long time ago. however, my theory consists in a conspiracy from those surviving greek gods against zeus and his allies, so they can be free to create their own pantheon after kratos destroyed the olympus and kill their supposed enemies.
The "Goddess of Deceit" boss fight could be Kratos having to fight a friend and/or family member. Kratos doesn't understand why they are doing this and when he wins the fight it turns out it's the Goddess of Deceit.
Better yet : It truly is his allies, but they're being tricked by the Goddess of Deceit into fighting Kratos and it results in their death ... moments before Kratos realizes they were being manipulated. A little bit like Kratos being tricked by Ares into slaughtering his family, but this time, it's his closest allies who are tricked into attacking him ... and the end result is the same : Kratos ends up killing people he cares about ... Well, it is a Greek tragedy, after all ...
Funny enough, I had actually had an idea for a 'fourth main game' that was about setting Kratos on the path to atonement that featured several of these gods. Specifically it was Artemis, Aphrodite, and Dionysus (along with some of the other gods) dredging up Kratos and telling him he needs to go a-killing one last time for them. Specifically, Eris, as a goddess of discord, conflict, and chaos is having a ball of a time in the ruined world and is working with a few others to stomp out those shreds of hope Kratos bled out. Kratos is tired, depressed, and the worst part is Nemesis and Demeter are basically harassing him endlessly wanting justice. (with this video, guess we can throw Hecate into that group)
So the plot is a bit of Kratos coming to terms with his transgressions, working to do more than stab himself to make things right, and getting his groove back. Namely when it turns out the oracle who told Zeus and the other Olympians the prophecy of The Marked Warrior to begin with that set Kratos and zeus down the paths of madness was none other than Eris in disguise who also taunts how little she actually had to do to set things into motion.
I think Circe could've worked as the main villain (or at least the right hand of someone like Erebus or Phobos) of a smaller PSP game like Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta as some uber powerful sorceress goddess who wants to take over the world or something.
I could easily imagine Kratos coming across some Greek soldiers sent to her island and he then finds them all turned into pigs where they're either found already slaughtered or they're eaten by cyclops and other monsters.
And also, during her boss fight, she can also turn Kratos into an animal, but instead of a pig, he's instead turned into a big boar (I played a lot of Age of Mythology) who can still fight back but is obviously much weaker... also, one of the unlockable costumes is basically Kratos as a manbearpig or something like that.
In OG god of war they'd probably have been turned into humanoid pig monsters that would fill the same role as a cyclops or minotaur.
how about for the nonexistent PS Vita only God of War game
You think the goddess of the hunt would allow herself to be hunted? Nah son, she tipped her cap and dipped while everyone's backs was turned
the god of war lost a war so idk ...
Aristaeus could have made for a good joke boss. He unleashes bees and cheese on Kratos, but when he's actually hit in a later stage of the fight, it takes just one blow to stop him.
Actually make it a bullet hell in the style of sand with a god of war centric remix of Megaovania complete with 1 damage per frame your being hit
Just when I was hungry for bacon
You can never have enough bacon!
Out of all the cut gods I really wish we got to see Apollo & Artemis. With Artemis being in GoW1 & the Apollo statue in Ascension I think smtg interesting could've been built.
8:58 The thing Circe is best known for is turning men into animals in the Odyssey. So a fight between her and Atreus in a future game might be interesting.
Weirdly enough, I know Circe cause she's a reoccurring Wonder Woman villain who does shit like that. ( I think her powers were even countered by shapeshifters like Plastic Man and Beast Boy)
For an idea of how Demeter could’ve worked, FFXIV’s Nophica shows a good example with blooming explosions and scythe wielding as you figured.
Dionysus would fit boss fights pretty well since he was also a warrior god from his conquest of India. He's also a friend to Satyrs and has a posse of always crazy women following him around.
Deimos, Morpheus or Hypnos could either be a fun way of going back through old fights with multiple phases or forcing Kratos to fight characters he felt guilty about killing. The Last Spartan, Orkos or Deimos come to mind.
Something else interesting would be fighting himself in a dream. Young Kratos in multiple phases... or something like the Sorrow in MGS3 but for those characters he's killed like his mother or Calliope or Pandora or Deimos or Last Spartan and Orkos.
Apollo and Artemis would probably be more like Magne and Modi, but archers. One is the light and the other is darkness. So it could be in a light phase, but the other phase would be dealing with an archer in darkness.
Deceit though could literally mess around with illusions or reflections. So either a mirror fight of Kratos vs Kratos and that's it... or something more like the mirror boss fight in Splatterhouse on the PS3/360.
7:47 Extensive knowledge of medicine implies extensive knowledge of disease and poison. So I could actually picture Asclepius as being the godly equivalent of a mad scientist, using all manner of poxes against you.
2:12
While it wasn't a boss fight. Audio files extracted from the God Of War 3 source code showed that Aphrodite was originally going to die in the game.
The general concept was that after Kratos killed Hephaestus he would be pass back through Aphrodites Bed Chamber, where the player would be given the option to either get into bed with her one more time, or skip it and go straight to the next goal.
If Kratos does get into bed with her, she pulls a knife and tries to shank him. And in response Kratos throws her through the portal and leaves her to rot alongside the corpse of her dead husband.
If Kratos passes by her and exits the room immediately she says something like. "Fine! Go kill Zeus for all I care! Don't expect me to be waiting for you when you're done!" and slams the door in Kratos face.
Eos would have died as she said in Chains of Olympus that if Helios dies, she would die also
Eros is mentioned in Ascension when the Furies make Kratos hallucinate
Erebus (in some sources) actually became the domain of Hades, which was referred to as Erebus before eventually being changed to Hades
They could bring the surviving gods in a Egyptian theme game,since there is a tale in Greek mythology where the gods where kicked out of the Olympus by the giants, and they hide away in Egypt using different names(this was how greek mythology explaing the Egyptian pantheon ) with Apolo leading the gods as Ra,Arthemis as Isis,Aphrodite as Bastet......
Source??
@nagatouzumaki4047 tf you mean source? It's an idea they had.
Greek gods hiding in egypt posing as ra
I was asking for his source for that tale not his idea
@@nagatouzumaki4047the gods fled from Typhon, not the Giants, you can know more by searching Typhon/Typhoeus, here are some of the sources to what he said:
Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 28
"Typhon was the son of Ge (Gaea, Earth), a deity monstrous because of his strength, and of outlandish appearance. There grew out of him numerous heads and hands and wings, while from his thighs came huge coils of snakes. He emitted all kinds of roars and nothing could resist his might.
He felt an urge to usurp the rule of Zeus and not one of the gods could withstand him as he attacked. In panic they fled to Aigyptos (Egypt), all except Athena and Zeus, who alone were left. Typhon hunted after them, on their track. When they fled they had changed themselves in anticipation into animal forms.
Apollon became a hawk [i.e. the Egyptian god Horus], Hermes an ibis [the Egyptian god Thoth], Ares became a fish, the lepidotus [Egyptian Lepidotus or Onuris], Artemis a cat [Neith or Bastet], Dionysos took the shape of a goat [Osiris or Arsaphes], Herakles a fawn, Hephaistos (Hephaestus) an ox [Ptah], and Leto a shrew mouse [Wadjet]. The rest of the gods each took on what transformations they could. When Zeus struck Typhon with a thunderbolt, Typhon, aflame hid himself and quenched the blaze in the sea.
Zeus did not desist but piled the highest mountain, Aitna (Etna), on Typon and set Hephaistos on the peak as a guard. Having set up his anvils, he works his red hot blooms on Typhon's neck."
Pseudo-Hyginus, Fabulae 196 :
"When the god in Egypt feared the monster Typhon, Pan bade them transform themselves into wild beasts the more easily to deceive him. Jove [Zeus] later killed him with a thunderbolt. By the will of the gods, since by his warning they had avoided Typhon's violence."
@@nagatouzumaki4047 i think that was the Gigantomachia
With Circe and Hecate being the goddess's of sorcery and magic, their potential fight could've involved manipulating Kratos's magic abilities. Like either nullifying the magic bar or causing them to backfire on Kratos.
Caerus: God of Luck:
I actually think you can do something with this one. Maybe more of a puzzle boss. You could have it that Careus' luck allows him to seamlessly dodge or avoid Kratos' attacks. And leave traps by just knocking stuff over that targets Kratos. So the way to beat him would be to tire him out like Sans in Undertale or get him to make a mistake to allow Kratos to grab him or something and then use him to open a path.
Like, lets say there's a trapped floor where the sequence to safely cross is unknown. Once Kratos gets his hands on Caerus, he could use him as bait to safely navigate the floor, and then throw Caerus away who managed to luckily land safely and flee.
Plutus: God of Wealth:
This could add to your "Kratos has to fight a gauntlet of Minor God Bosses" idea as something of a joke or change of pace. When it's Plutus' turn. He tries to bribe Kratos to leave. Kratos refuses. Plutus tries to pay his soldiers to fight Kratos but they're so terrified of him that they flee. So Kratos ignores Plutus and moves on.
Demeter could basically be like Poison Ovy & sic giant walking veggies on Kratos.
Artemis and Apollo only became sun and moon deities in roman times.
6:37 Funnily enough, if God of War was more accurate to the myths, they'd use Zelus instead if they want a male protagonist or Bia if they want an accurate depiction.
22:41 heh... Bia there.
A 4-player game starring Nike, Kratos, Bia, and Zelus would be amazing, for sure.
Also, the surviving deities rebuilding Greece on the level of humans would be a cool idea.
Kind of sounds like the aftermath of Ragnarok
Im so glad that someone actually made this into a video. Its a real missed opportunity to not include all of the olympians in 3. Artemis, Apollo, Dionysus and/or Hestia and Demeter. Demeter is especially the oddest case because you killed Persephone in Chains of Olympus. Corrupted or not, Demeter was a very clingy and vindictive mother that would absolutely want to kill Kratos, even if he didnt attack olympus.
I think Eris (Godess of Chaos) could play a similar role like her appearance in Sinbad. Basically flirting and seducing Kratos and taunting him while she uses her chaos based powers to destroy Kratos.
As for Nemesis, I thought the only reference to her was the Nemesis Whip. However would be an awesome boss fight.
But as for Nyx on the other hand, my head Canon has always been that she was one of the primordial gods of the GOW universe, especially considering that she's the mother of all bad things while Chaos is the father of all things chaos.
Also please do a part 2 where you discuss Norse gods who survived the event of ragnarok and how they could function as potential boss fights, or possible allies.
Imagine then Kratos going
EEERIIIIS
I found odd, he Said he could not good Idea for her.
An idea that i have enjoyed was that since kratos left greece for scandinavia, artemis would leave as well. Ending up the leader of the wild hunt trying to hunt down the monster who destroyed her homeland.
hopefully you make one going over the Norse Gods too, course the extra lore (books) mentions some of them, but their statuses are unknown.
Enyo could play a role in God of War 2, with the God’s deeming Kratos unfit for his role they try to replace him with… predictable results
According to rumors, there is speculation of an expansion that takes place after the events of Ragnarok, where players assume the role of Atreus.
In the expansion, it could be intriguing to introduce Apollo and Artemis, but under different identities. Initially, they could encounter Atreus on friendly terms, unaware of his heritage.
However, their perspective changes drastically once they discover Atreus is actually the son of the feared Ghost of Sparta, Kratos. This revelation prompts Apollo and Artemis to turn hostile, driven by a desire to eliminate Atreus.
Recognizing the danger, Atreus manages to escape their clutches and formulates a plan to warn his father, Kratos, about the brewing threat. Not without a fierce battle against both Apollo and Artemis, he eventually makes his way towards his father's location.
Meanwhile, Apollo and Artemis make a vow to find and kill Kratos, consumed by vengeance and a thirst for retribution. However, their mission takes an unexpected turn when they encounter Athena, who informs them about someone who has been wronged by Kratos and Atreus.
Adding to the suspense, Athena reveals Sindri, leaving the story on an enticing cliffhanger.
Bacon, im sorry. But your take on Nyx is completely wrong.
Nyx, yes is the primordial goddess of night, yes.
And guess what she is so powerful that ZUES is afraid of her. One time he was pissed at Hypnos for putting him to sleep, and so Hypnos when to his mother for protection a d Zues, turned right around when he learned she was involved, and noped out of there.
As well, no. Nyx is not the mother of all monsters. That was Echidna.
I always thought Artemis and Apollo never making an Appearance in God of War 3 was a missed opportunity.
I wish these 2 returned as a Spectre of Kratos's past coming back for revenge.
18:46 Admittedly, he sounds like he'd be a prime candidate to be a merchant of some kind.
Phobos would be an awesome concept for a boss mine. (Edit: fight...not mine, FIGHT) I mean his name literally translates to fear, can you imagine how awesome a horror based area and boss would feel like? Man ever since i played Bloodborne I've been interested in horror like that, same with P.T. or even Fallout New Vegas DLC: Dead Money. That one horror part in Resident Evil 8 was so awesome too, if only GOW had a horror section like that, preferably in the first game i think it'd fit really well
Strife and Harmony may be vague, but together you could come up with something. Strife attacks, Harmony heals, shields, or both.
14:53 actually anyone who knows Greek mythology would know that Hera eventually came around to loving Heracles
If used in a new game, it would be interesting if you find any of those gods just wandering in the wild and initiate a side-quest of sorts, or a boss fight if they feel they have a grudge against you.
Nyx would of made those god of wars games way better since she is the goddess that Zeus feared which would of given this Zeus a bit of character before he tries killing you
I’m genuinely impressed by all the content you’ve gotten out of 1 series.
Apollo was probably hiding because his the god of music and the music composed for this game is just so good
The demos phobos thing took me a while to get but demos is more dread, think the eesukt of a good atmospheric in a horror movie, while phobos is panicking when taco bell kicks in while every bathroom is being used
My dad used to play GoW on the PSVita and I thoughtbit was the coolest thing ever
The funny thing is, in GoW 3 Kratos didn't have any beef with any god BUT Zeus. Never once does he call any other god out, and some he even tries to avoid violence. He warned Hercules, Hera, and even Mercury. He didn't even want to kill Hephaestus.
I've always thought a fight with Chronos or maybe even "Father Time" would have a scene where Kratos had to face his younger self and we'd witness peak acting from Chris Judge and TC Carson. Maybe they'd fight throughout but when you beat young Kratos, the two have some sort of heart to heart. Maybe Kratos is forced to kill him in the end, I'm not sure. This wouldn't have any timeline shenanigans, I think this younger Kratos would be an illusion or pulled from somewhere to be put back.
I guess the devs didn't make you fight Morpheus cuz that would make "rescuing Helios" not a need at all without making the game last longer (it's way shorter than other GoW games, I've just finished it a week ago), so in that case we wouldn't have the endgame in the Hades/Fields of Elysium and Persephone involved at all, so Kratos basically had two options to stop the god's eternal dream: Find Helios or Kill Morpheus, but they told him to just go find Helios and he didn't knew how to deal directly with Morpheus instead, so he was just doing his job, but he was capable of directly trackingand killing the god of dreams (and maybe Hypnos too) if he was told to do so.
If Chains of Olympus wasn't a PSP game and had the same main games length, Kratos would've fought Morpheus/Hypnos and then Charon and Persephone later
So, the reason Apollo became a sun god is that he and Helios became conflated, for some reason, the two becoming completely mixed.
The same happened with Artemis and Selene.
Nike being Kratos' half sister would be really cool
10:41 reminds me of the meme having Kratos and Pit from Kid Icarus.
I think the gods he DIDN'T kill were intentional, so that they can rebuild what was broken. Personally, I'm hoping that in the future he meets Dionysus in India, as a nod to that one work where Dionysus goes to India.
I don't think Kratos even cared, at that time in his life. He was Hell-bent on getting his revenge and killing whatever got in his way. He didn't plan to spare anything at all. The survivors are just those whose death did not further his goal. Either they were not hostile or they were not in his way or he did not need to kill them to gain a specific power or retrieve a specific item. Killing them would just have been a time-wasting, useless, distraction. Also, he views himself as a 'noble' warrior who commits atrocities for a 'noble' cause (such as for the glory of Sparta or for his revenge) - not as a mindless brute that just kills others for the sake of killing others. I know the distinction is quite difficult to make, considering the countless victims Kratos has sacrificed in a heartbeat (like setting fire to a caged soldier), but, to him, there is a distinction and that is justification enough for him not to kill every single god out there.
@@jackwilliam4436 No, I mean like intentional from a writer's standpoint. They definitely steered clear and he didn't bother hunting them since they served no obstacle.
@@rikajougasaki3296 Thanks. I thought you meant that Kratos had intentionally spared those gods so that the survivors could fix the world. Thanks for clarifying it.
About Asclepius, being the God of Medicine also involves knowing all about every poison and disease.
So you could have Asclepius do things like create floor hazards, make himself dangerous in melee combat, infect his weapons of choice to poison/weaken/drain you... A few options.
Wouldnt really make a lot of sense for his character to be so aggresive tho
When he was still mortal was a Skilled doctor that brought the dead alive, it would be pretty out of character that literally helps people to attack kratos like that.
@@raptormage2209 I agree that him being aggressive would be out of character, but that doesn't mean he can't or wouldn't defend himself by making himself hazardous to be around.
Though, again, I agree that it makes more sense for Asclepius to not show up in the first place.
28:05 I was expecting Arch Enemy, cause they have a Nemesis song too😂
The greeks had a habit of not only splitting up roles but also the very gods themselves. Pan and Hermes used to be the same god, Apollo used to have Helios as one of his names, hell Hades didn't even exist until after Mycanean Greece became what we know as Ancient Greece, with Poseidon instead filling the role Hades had for most of the myths (hence why Poseidon had the epithet Earthshaker).
Id love if this next gow included greek gods into norse mythology for a multiversal war
An Adonis boss fight would be him attacking you through a hall of mirrors.
16:43 Why is your Kratos impression so good omg lmao
We get the Bow of Apollo as you said... But the character we get it from literally refers to it as "my bow".
That has some STRONG implications, I'd say.
I think Alastor would be a better helping character as opposed to a boss. He’d seemingly agree with what Kratos wanted to do. So, he could have been a single level pre-cursor to Atreus. Where he’s like a little help friend who perhaps gets killed by a levels final boss.
Funny thing about Aphrodite. In ancient Greece she was actually a War Goddess to begin with. Sure love and all that we know of her were there too, but she was an offshoot of Ishtar according to scholars. Pretty interesting to think about. Aphrodite is also known to smite plenty of people, usually for being prettier than her or people claiming someone is prettier than her. Either way you become a target after that usually. So yeah I could see her choosing to fight if she really cared enough. Not to mention being given a good enough petty reason in her eyes. Course I doubt Kratos would ever think to bring her beauty into an argument really. If anything he might just get mad if she insults the women he's had in his life. Which would DEFINITELY get some of that classic rage boiling for sure. Never insult Kratos' dead wife and daughter. Hell even just insulting his dead Mother, Pandora, or if we ever see her again perhaps even a mention of Faye might all do it too. Really would depend on a number of factors on who'd get the insult that'd start Kratos up. May add more as I watch more, we'll see.
Ok time for Demeter then, cool! Demeter could actually make an epic ass boss fight with a seasonal twist. It's heavily implied that Demeter is the one who transitions the seasons, having created winter as a result of her grief when Persephone was taken by Hades(or whatever happened depending on the version, there's way too many to mention here). Not to mention the scythe having different attacks depending on the season she's using to fight you. Talk about phases huh? Also she'd have plenty of reason for going apeshit given what happened LAST TIME something happened to Persephone. You'd think her death would've had Demeter all gungho and ready to kill Kratos just as the others wanted to. Guess the writers somehow forgot most of the myths that she played a part in? I dunno. Maybe she'll come knocking in a sequel or something, who knows. Back to the video now, again.
No lore dumps this time. Just minor nitpicks and some food for thought. Anyway for Hypnos and Morpheus, I'm chalking it up to laziness. There just, isn't an excuse for how pointless they turned out to be in the grand scheme of things. Also you'd think, much like with Demeter, they'd have a bone to pick with Kratos. It's implied as far as I know that Hypnos, Morpheus, and THANATOS are all children of Nyx. Thanatos' own demise could've easily spurred his brothers into proper action against Kratos this time. Maybe if you wanna give the writers the benefit here, maaaybe Hypnos and Morpheus just panicked when Kratos showed up the first time looking to smack them around some, if not worse. Imagine part of their reason for choosing to attack Kratos later being guilt over their brother's death. Much like how Kratos chased down and killed Thanatos over his own guilt of not being able to save Deimos. Narrative mirrors anyone? Also I'm aware I could be wrong about Morpheus being one of Nyx's children, sorry if that's the case and I messed up. Even so I can see Morpheus choosing to help Hypnos anyway. Again more mirroring of how Kratos and Deimos initially fought Thanatos together. Just adding onto the twin boss idea for them. See ya again when I edit this again, this is gonna be long, I can feel it. Not sorry tho. You know what, Imma just make a reply under myself for more instead after this. To break things up a bit more.
Circe is actually quite easy to theme a boss fight around I think. She's mainly known for showcasing power over men who trespass into her domain. Which she did to some of Odysseus' crewmates in the Odyssey. More specifically, she turns them into animals, usually pigs tho. Imagine her island being a whole ass dungeon with pigs and other dangerous animals on it. All ready to rip you apart under the whims of Circe herself? Then when Kratos proves enough of a threat she polymorphs him like she would anyone else. Perhaps it fails to work tho, as Kratos is a son of Zeus and like with Odysseus(another implied demigod if I recall right) her powers aren't as effective or plain don't work on him directly. So she has to resort to other forms of trickery alongside throwing much stronger animals at you. Sick of fighting normal piggies? Have a murderous wild boar! And hey, why not toss in a giant Tarantula as a subtle nod to Arachne! Maybe a giant snake? A wolf? Maybe even a stag for funsies? Anything is possible with this goddess really in terms of which animals she could throw at you. Maybe she may even bring back the Hydra from game one as a miniboss? Wouldn't that be a fun rematch with some toss ups in the mix so that it's not a carbon copy of the original boss fight.
Eros is a SON of Aphrodite, one she helicopter parents sometimes if the story of Eros and Psyche is anything to go by. Perhaps killing him would be another thing to get Aphrodite into warmode in hindsight. Although Eros may not even fight at all. For all we know he may have skipped town with his beloved wife and their own child Hedone. I'm honestly not too sure what you could do for a boss fight for Eros, let alone one for him and Psyche together. Again though, I'm all for them just chilling somewhere away from the fuss and mess. Preferring to not lose each other over Kratos' rampage. Maybe even helping Kratos if he spares them. With Kratos giving Eros respect for not wanting trouble for the sake of his family, but also willing to defend his own wife and daughter if Kratos goes aggressive, much like Kratos would've done for his own family. Kratos after all did respect Hephaestus for the exact same reason, just minus the wife part. I could see him also warning Eros to be mindful of Athena as well, as I could see such a meeting being most likely to occur in the third game. Just to be sure Eros has the best shot of being the Father he didn't get to be until he later meets Faye.
Given what Dreamworks' Sinbad was able to do with Eris, I could see her being a very chaotic deity. Chaos is her domain, and technically speaking she is the mastermind behind Troy where as Aphrodite was the catalyst through kidnapping Helen for Paris. So more specifically she's the goddess of chaos from strife if you wanna go with that. So yeah either she could prove to be very annoying to Kratos, or simply choose to sit on the sidelines and take a role similar to Vulgrim in Darksiders. Perhaps giving Kratos random stuff just to see what he'll do with them on his rampage. Whispering in his ear about various things, like providing info on certain gods he's after if he does something simple for her in return. Like perhaps even giving the games a new meter to fill up or collectables to gather for her. It'd be HILARIOUS if the item in question was the titular golden apple that started the whole Troy fiasco. Or if you were to go with a Chaos meter/counter, something cool can come with it alongside just giving that energy to Eris for whatever reason she may have that day. Could see her being quite fun actually.
Yes yes YES YES! I wholeheartedly agree with the idea for Hekate! Course being a witch myself, I can offer soms extra ideas too. So hey why not.
I could see her using her Necromancy as a divination tool as well, something seen often in ancient cultures. And I'm pretty sure she had priestesses that did just that anyway. Imagine either meeting a priestess for her like the Oracle for Athena, or simply meeting Hekate herself. Hekate I could see taking numerous sorts of roles depending on how she's written. She pull a Mobius from Legacy of Kain Blood Omen and just give vague interpretations of the future. Granted that does tread into Zeus' whole old man disguise thing, but Zeus is way more straightforward with it than Hekate would likely be so I see no issue really. Also like Mobius she could use the vaguery to her advantage by throwing Kratos off her scent basically and into the paths of other deities as well. Or if you want a more benevolent role, she could be laying back from the conflict for reasons beyond Kratos' rampage once game 3 rolls around. Perhaps due to the evils being released, witch hunts against her followers began. So to protect them and herself, she hides away from everything going down. Waiting out the fight basically and not caring who wins ultimately. Only caring about her own worshippers and herself. Something that may get Kratos thinking a bit harder about what he's doing. Another hint that maybe he's gone too far this time. As Hekate doing this would essentially prove him wrong about the gods all being shitstains. Also I just would kinda like to see such a thing if only because I'm a witch myself. She's not among my current deities granted, but I do respect her highly.
Kinda also wish God of War didn't do Gullveig dirty in the Norse games tho. It's actually theorized that Gullveig actually becomes Freyja. Much like how Freyja and Frigg are believed to be the same deity as well, something God of War actually uses for it's plot too. Gullveig was intially the goddess of witchcraft for the Norse, course if the knowledge I've got and the theories themselves are true(I personally believe so), then Freyja is still the goddess of witchcraft too. And to be fair some Freyja's actions in game still line up with that past self. Implying that witchcraft is in fact still one of her domains. Pardon the mini rant there heheheh...oops. Anyway, to the rest of the vid.
Hypnos strikes me as the type of guy to say "Brothers, the ghost of sparta will pay dearly for your deaths, i will avenge you !!!...after a 5 minute nap" then he just sleeps until Olympus gets destroyed.
The greatest Greek tragedy is there was never a god named Succadees
Now that you made this video he might be coming back to have fun
So, for the Hypnos Morpheus fight, I was thinking that it's a Tag team thing.
Kratos would be in a pitch black room, sleep walking where he would have slower movement and limited combos, fighting slow and weak enemies.
Unlike the fodder enemies, both Hypnos and Morpheus are "invisible" in the arena, but the players could track them by their footsteps, either by sound, by dust particles/soundwaves or both. If Kratos gets too close to either of them they'll hit Kratos for a small chunk of health.
If Kratos manages to hit Morpheus, the fodder enemies disappear for a short duration, if he kills Morpheus then the fodder is gone and Kratos is teleported in a hallway full of traps where the player has to maneuver around "invisible" traps (they still makes sounds based on proximity and there are soundwaves).
If Kratos hits Hypnos, Kratos wakes up, the room becomes visible for a short duration of about 3 to 12 seconds and the fodder enemies become much faster. To make the fight with Hypnos last longer, Hypnos would teleport around the arena after each hits awake Kratos would land. If Kratos kills Hypnos, Morpheus hits harder and more quickly, he creates duplicate of himself (that does half the damage he normally does) and the fodder enemies now have a grab move.
When killing both of them Kratos would get some item that would slow down enemies and summon fodder against bosses.
I imagine that for Geras it could be a small mini boss fight where he manages to get a drop on Kratos and age him to the point he’s as old as him. After that it’s about reaching him while lacking most of the strength and agility. Once you kill Geras Kratos could revert back to his young self and move on.
13:46 Dionysus actually IS in the series. Kinda. He is mentioned a few times in the God of War II novel, in reference to the story of Theseus and Ariadne. So he does exist. And there's also existing Concept Art of Dionysus that was made for God of War Ascension.
22:54 Ceto is actually one of the Primordial Gods shown punching each other to death in the opening cutscene of God of War Ascension. So she was already dead long before Kratos as ever born.
25:57 Iris appears in the God of War II novel where she has a surprisingly big role, getting into conflict with Hermes and trying to take his place on Olympus, and when that fails she ends up leaving Olympus right before Kratos invades it. So she got lucky and is still alive.
28:25 Nyx is also in the series. She is mentioned by name in God of War Ascension, where we also see a statue of her, and she's depicted in concept art.
According to Stig Asmussen, there was a scrapped idea in GoW III where Aphrodite would have a second sex mini-game, except this time she’d attempt to skewer Kratos with the daggers hanging over her bed, initiating a quick time event where Kratos would end up kicking her down to Hades.
Additionally, Todd Papy said that Artemis was planned to be a playable character in Ascension, and she’s depicted with the lower half of a lion below her human-shaped torso, but this idea was also scrapped. The concept art for it is really cool, though.
I liked the theory that apollo is actually in the original god of war comics as the guy kratos talks to before even acension
Counter fun fact: In some records, Nike is said to be the driver of Zeus's chariot when he'd ride into battles
As soon as you mentioned minor gods my brain realized how just like Japan there's a lot of gods
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Imagine if Kratos had a secret child. With afrodite.
We also have the surviving Greek Heroes who never appeared in the franchise such as:
Bellerophon,Odysseus,Ajax,Orpheus,Achilles and Diomedes and in my opinion the gods:
Dionysus,Hecate,Hestia,Demeter,Artemis,Apollo,Triton,Macaria,Asclepius,Melinoe and Hypnos along with the creatures:
Cetus,Orthrus,Echidna,Sphinx and Karkinos/Carcinus
They should have been in God of war 3 they are absolutely necessary and I don't know why they weren't used and included In this game that was supposed to be the final and be with the mains Gods who died and I also think there should be more two Greek games to close the franchise adding all these Gods,Creatures and Semi Gods/Heroes In the next games
and I believe that in the future they can be used in future games when Kratos returns to Greece and these forgotten Gods,Creatures and Greek Heroes want revenge for everything that happened against now a good Kratos that became the new God of Hope It will be interesting/Incredible to see let's wait and pray for this to happen in the future.. 🤔🥺🤧😯😎✌️🙏 🙏 like and Bye!
I always pictured the surviving Greek gods banding together and fleeing to Rome (Italian Peninsula).
There Aphrodite gives birth to Kratos’ offspring: either Mars, Minerva or both.
The rest of the surviving greek gods start breeding again, ultimately creating the newer Roman Gods and Goddesses (Orcus, Janus, Bellona, Terminus, Laverna, Silvanus, etc).
My guess is that Apollo would become the new King of the Gods, also called Jupiter (Ius-Piter: “sky father”), Apollo would end up marrying his half sister Hebe (daughter of Zeus and Hera), who would take the name Juno (from Iuvenis: “youth”).
Zagreus (son of Hades) and Triton (son of Poseidon) would inherit their parents realms, becoming Pluto and Neptune respectively.
The TRAUMA caused by the destruction of Greece would make the new Roman society extremely militaristic, expansionistic, jingoistic and authoritarian.
Eventually, this militarism would cause the collision with the Norse(Germanic) cosmos that Kratos rules as All-Father. The Romans would try to conquer the Norse cosmos, just as the Romans tried to conquer Germanía in real life.
I would imagine Kratos wanting to defend his realms and his Norse people, but maybe he would be guilt-tripped by his abandoned child with Venus (Aphrodite), forcing Atreus to act on his own to stop the Roman-Norse war.
In the God of War 2 book the Rainbow Goddess Iris was mentioned and eventually banished from Olympus by Zeus, recommend the audio books for sure
Id imagine a fight where you would have a phase where you would be put to sleep and fight in the dream realm, then damaging that boss enough you wake up, rinse and repeat
Aristaeus could be a living hive that vomits honey and sends bee swarms at Kratos
The Sons of Ares are the Gods of personal fear and group fear respectively, Phobos as in Phobias, like Arachnophobia.
This is kinda making me want a game where Atreus in search of the giants finds the Greek gods that survived and has to keep a secret that his dad single handedly dropped half the gods
Momus technically appeared in god of war 1 as the secret phone calls to get kratos there
I partially love the idea of Kratos going to other lands and finding gods/goddess from greece in other areas that have been exiled after its destruction, perhaps in Egypt or maybe (as a cool concept) they escaped to Rome and adopt their new Roman names as to try to reimburse the mythology. Its an interesting thought especially with gods/goddess of revenge and justice missed out in the series, we could see them try to go against Kratos for his crimes in Greece while Kratos explains why and how he's changed. Although I think Kratos has confronted his past mentally it would be another thing entirely to confront it physically and I think thats interesting enough to have a side plot of him finding peace with the remaning Greek gods.
The truly scary thing about Dionysus is that he is _literally_ the only other god to have canonically used Zeus's thunderbolts, something no other god has done.
Kratos had to be given that power by Zeus personally, but Dionysus just, _did it._ Just picked one up and threw it, they are literally specifically made so that only Zeus can use them, and he straight up sidestepped that casually.
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I think one of the biggest surprises was not fighting Typhon. Giving how much of a nightmare he was in actual Greek Mythology, I am shocked they never made him into a boss to fight Kratos.
I always liked to believe that Dionysus sat down and had a cup of wine, watching as the world fell around him
Nyx would've been amazing to fight against, in myth she was one of the only beings that frightened Zeus.
All I know is Artemis and Aphrodite for sure survived!
0:42 (In this list specifically) You forgot the titans Perses, God Of Destruction, who got stabbed right in the gotdamn eye (shout out to the Dragon Ball fans), Chronos, the literal God Of Time, (stabbed in stomach, mouth, and head), and Gaia, The Goddess Of Earth itself, who was stabbed in the heart and fell the fuck apart (Hey, that rhymes! She’s also a primordial, but she’s not a titan in Greek Mythology, surprisingly).
And yeah, Aphrodite, Typhon, and Thera are obvious ones who actually survived.
And also Chaos, for obvious reasons.
TL;DR, and plus the Nordic/Norse Gods, Kratos has killed about 25 Gods in total. 28 if you count Erinys (daughter of Thanatos, not originally in Greek Mythology, and the Erinyes, who are the Furies, were already slain by this point in the series), Prometheus (demoted to demigod level by Zeus, technically speaking), and Sigrun (who could technically be considered a god or a demigod).
i like to believe Apollo was actually Kratos without Kratos knowing, and i personally believe Apollo, Artemis and Aprhodite are still alive and oh Atlas still holding the greek world as well.
I hear Dionysus is a big fan of diet coke.
Caerus could have worked as a heimdall style fight where his luck keeps letting him avoid your attacks and instead of a hp bar you have to deplete his luck or it's a puzzle boss where you have to set up a situation that no matter what his luck can't save him this time
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Alastor: [Is the god of family feud/avenger of evil deeds]
Me: No surprise that Dante got stabed by Alastor.
Seriously, I thought Alastor was a made up name because I definitivly knew that Ifrit was a thing when I learn/remembered the weapon's name.
I'm a bit hesitating to propose Zagreus because he's mainly known as a Dionysus epitath rather than a stand alone god outside of the Hades game.
Great job on this video, glad to know Momus is a thing thanks to you 🙂
Keep up the great work
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