NIETZSCHE and ESOTERICISM
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- The relations between the philosophy of Nietzsche and Western Esoteric and occult traditions. More specifically, Left-Hand Path and Chaos Magick / Magic.
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REFERENCES
Nietzsche’s cited works:
The Gay Science
The Birth of Tragedy
Beyond Good and Evil
On the Genealogy of Morality
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Ecce Homo
Academic Analyses:
Golomb, J., Santaniello, W. and Lehrer, R. L. (eds.) (2015) Nietzsche and Depth Psychology, SUNY Press.
Payne, C. A. and Roberts, M. J. (eds.) (2019) Nietzsche and Critical Social Theory: Affirmation, Animosity, and Ambiguity, BRILL.
Schrift, A. D. (1990) Nietzsche and the Question of Interpretation: Between Hermeneutics and Deconstruction, Routledge.
Spinks, L. (2003) Friedrich Nietzsche, Routledge.
Tevenar, G. V. (ed.) (2007) Nietzsche and Ethics, Peter Lang.
Wininger, K. J. (1997) Nietzsche’s Reclamation of Philosophy, Rodopi.
Woodward, A. (2014) Understanding Nietzscheanism, Routledge.
00:00 Introduction: Was Nietzsche Left-Hand Path?
02:29 The death of God
03:25 Nietzsche’s philosophy compared to Chaos Magick
04:30 The Apollonian vs the Dionysian
06:59 Slave vs Master morality
09:37 The Übermensch
11:32 Support Angela’s Symposium
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What Crowley meant also is not to *do anything you want eschewing all morality* but more along the lines of *find your true Will, find your authentic Self and you will be liberated and travel along a path of least resistance in the universe.* Which is my personal formula. That's because "Every Man & Every Woman is a Star" and once you find a personal orbit that does not clash with those of other stars it allows a certain type of Freedom. I have a sense of morality based on what is personally acceptable to my Self and I do not judge others right to choose Left or Right Hand paths. Mine is the middle path because "Equilibrium is the basis of our Work" Excellent Video, Ms. Puca! Lovely as always!
Great observation, Ron!
Idk... Crowley was a great one for hidden meanings and I'm sure that AL vel Legis wasn't void of subtext. But I think that this line was particularly playing off of his Hedonistic tendencies.
@@yochanan770 Oh yea. He was no saint! lol
Btw the True Will is even more complex than that.
In Thelemic Metaphysics, "THE Will" (capitals) is God. Love Under Will means duality (opposites, male and female) and both the result and the connection between us (the individual expression of that Will) and the Universal (THE Will).
This Knot is tied upon the concept of the True Will, which is one's purpose in life. It is the reason why the Universal Will has manifested in the universe as you, it is your task to discover the True Will, as again, it is the very essence of your being as an individuated manifestation of the Universal Will.
This is also compared with the Hindu Atman and Brahman, also the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. The Universal Will being Ain Soph or Brahman.
@@oceanmachine1906 Thanks for sharing!
I cant believe I never actually put it together; Apollolinian=negentropy; Dionysian=entropy. lol. As an artist; the idea of an aesthetically based reality has always been very attractive - initially exposed to the concept in Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light novel ((a deeply overlooked Hugo award winning author who had his own ideas of chaos/order in the 9 Princes of Amber series) which novel has had its own peculiar (magickal?) trajectory). You have laid it out beautifully! I still wonder that perhaps the blend of order/chaos isnt best; as one finds precisely this in the most alluring art. I tend to associate the left-hand with ctrl; and the right-hand with allowing {others} freedom (in the political anarchist sense) - such that it appears that the right hand path is chaotic but is not; an emphasis on extreme rules and especially exclusion [elitism] being an hallmark of the left-hand. This notion comes out of the idea that spontaneity is essential and involves its own (superior?) inner order; so externally imposed order is artificial; and creates superficial pockets of order at the cost of overall increased entropy in the (social/self) system. Perhaps an examination of the right- hand path? Just curiosity. Werner Herzog's Nosferatu was my original conception of what the true left hand path looks like; was a new concept to me back then LOL>
interesting take, Morgan! Yes, a video on the right-hand path might be necessary.
wow, very interesting interpretation
I am still struggling with the concepts of LHP and RHP. (Apollinic and Dyonisiac are also quite fuzzy in my brain)... I also thought LHP was more inclined to control and and awareness, taking the control over your own life, while RHP being the one who dismisses personal importance and identity, and living for the others?? Isn't the rhp dyonisiac then? I'm quite confused and I should definetely read more..
@@drangelapuca yes pls :>
The similarities between Nietzschean thought and the LHP do not imply that the opposite is true for the RHP 😉🤓
I found this very interesting and informative. Nietzsche always struck me as a kind of rupture in social conceptions. I can also recommend a book by Georges Bataille called ‘On Nietzsche’ that take a strange psychological and/or metaphysical look at him.
thanks, Matt
Excellent descriptions. I thirst for real world interactions with others who can speak and understand at these levels. Thank you for existing here.
consider joining my Patreon community, then!
I just found your channel and I wanted to tell you that I think you are such a gifted teacher. Your love and delight in your study is infectious and I have a blast watching you lecture. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so much, Okie! Your comment truly moved me.
👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you again, Dr. Angela! 😃👋
You are so welcome!
I just bought Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil online because of this episode. Excellent episode as usual! Thanks!
thank you, Omar! Glad you liked it
Very interesting. Definitely gonna check out those books to learn some more. Thank you for sharing 🤙🏽
Glad you enjoyed, Jairo!
I was directed here from esoterica channel, very interesting stuff only listened to 2 so far.
Thank you so much, Philip! Welcome to the Symposium ☺️
I tend to the left hand path, but with a caveat. I am always mindful of the process of individuation, not individualism, but as you know I work from a Jungian view of ontology.
interesting!
Wow amazing video, I love the way you broke that down! 💯🙏
Your videos are really helping me fill in the gaps with my own esoteric study!
Aw, thanks, that means a lot to me! Please share my videos around so that I can keep making educational content for you guys. ^_^
I was waiting here for an hour for the release of the video. Finally!!!
was it worth the wait, though? :-P
@@drangelapuca as always!
Loved this one xx
thanks
I am impressed! Well done!!
Thank you very much, Stathis 😊
I think its more fluid, its a flow, i was totally on the right hand and now i am almost completelly left, practice and filisophy wise. In fact my turn point was when i finished my degree on philosophy, thanks to nietzsche actually. This man turned my head upside down in a positive afirmative way and it changed me. Thanks for the video angela as always great and solid academic fun! Please make more videos about nietzsche and magic, the left path is heavely inspired by his philosophy! Love your videos!
Thank you, Sinfonia! Always happy to read your comments!
Super cool! I've only read a little bit of Nietzsche so this actually helped me know a little more about his philosophy. Looking at it now I can see just how much he has been influential in many schools of thought. Keep up the good work Angela
Glad you enjoyed it, Elfarlaur! ^_^
I absolutely loved this video is probably the best video and most informative video of I've ever seen in my entire life and it opened up a lot of closed doors in my mind I thought about but never had the words to formulate. Wow.
Wow Christopher! Thank you so much! 😍
You are my new favorite professor!!!
You're very kind ☺️
Fantastic!!!🖤
Glad you like it!
Hey there Angela, I just found your channel and I am very happy I did. Thank you for sharing. I’m excited to start learning more about nietzche
Welcome to Inner Symposium! :-)
Wonderful video! Thanks for your work
Thanks for watching, Trevor! Hope you'll stick around. :-)
I've always looked down upon the left-hand path as I've half-heartedly understood it, come to realize, by your video, i am but a practitioner of it. Balance being something i strive for, I've gained my wisdom through being fully immersed in the pain of my heroin addiction in the past. Achieving light by journey through the darkness is as I've now realized is so left hand path. I wouldn't have been open to the path of my current knowledge and mental strength if it wasn't for the pain i experienced. I just found you tonight from the RfB guy and i absolutely love your talks. Im subbed and can't wait to learn more from you to make me a better man, or a more well informed man i should say. Thank you
A.R.
I'm moved by your comment, thank you so much! I can't wait to improve myself and become a better educator thanks to your insightful comments!
@@drangelapuca Awww!!! You were moved by my comment? How happy and honored i am to touch you so deeply. I would've responded last night but my girl had to take the phone to work. Anyway, yes i hope the future finds both of us beneficial to each others growth as humans. Intellectually, mentally and spiritually. I will comment on every video of yours once viewed. So on that note, i will most happily see and talk to you later.
A.R.
I loved your video, it was really interesting. Thank you for filming this :)
Thanks!
Thanks for information.
So nice of you to let me know, Bunech. Thanks!
Wonderful content as always, thank you for opening the door to the left-hand path to me, another layer of context, another clue in the game of the cosmos. Have you explored Gurdjieff on your channel? Thanks again 🙏
Bravo!, Angela. I listened to this video three (3) times in a row, in order to (hopefully) better assimilate the plethora of information. And you articulated the best summary of Nietzsche's thought that I have ever heard. Again, bravo! Reading the comments to you is also enlightening, as you seem to really be inspiring people and sowing seeds of love.
What a lovely comment, RT! Thank you so much! 🤩
Your appreciation gives me purpose.
@@drangelapuca Glad you found it lovely. Ah, yes ... "purpose". For we human being that seems to be a real and True need. Do you mind if I brag on you again, at how consistently you reply to the many (!), postings you get. That has to take a significant amount of time. Very impressive! Blessings and Grace to you, and to all of your family and friends.
@@r.t.aegean3236 same to you and your loved ones :-)
Thanks, RT! Nice poem. Is it yours?
Another great video. As a Freemason, I'm very much interested in western esotericism and find it highly interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it, Tobias! That means a lot to me. Please share my videos around so that I can keep making educational content for you guys. ^_^
@@drangelapuca I look forward to your video on the lesser keys of Solomon.
Thankyou!!
🌎🪶🔥🌊❤️!
your channel is great!
thanks
Thank you so much for your content! I am a former philosophy and religious studies ba drop out and I am fascinated by Western Esotericism! Please, if you can, upload more about the Left Hand path, maybe more practices, more hands on no pun intended, stuff.
I had a thought today that maybe with the rise of social media especially Facebook we are seeing almost a left hand path ethic(?) with social media avatars of our personalities, like we are participating maybe in some kind of restructuring of the self not necessarily to be divinized but projected on our screens and psyche that ina way magically changes us. I don't know if you find this idea worthwhile but I think it's pretty cool feel free to take it where thou willt lol.
Thank you again for a great channel of Academic content!
I just loved your channel it is hard to find good and acessible (for layman like me) on the internet, content that isn't people just talking about the time they saw king paimon or about how this spell works for them (wich I, as a skeptic, pretty much doubt if there is any real one) but that explore the philosophic, academic and historic point of view
thank you so much, Funky Sugan Cat!
Great video and amazing explanation, it's always a pleasure see and hear you, ty for sharing this with as
Thank you! 😃
very informative thank you
So nice of you, Brian
Great video. It was amazing how much information in just 13 minutes. Wow. And I enjoyed reading comments too.
You know Nietzsche very well. Quite impressive.
Oh I almost forgot to tell you my favorite part.. when you said that some make science an "idolatry of facts". That was very good and made me smile!
Glad you liked it, Nelson! :-)
haha, yes, I've also published on scientism so it's a topic I'm passionate about!
lovely!
Thank you Richard! 🤗
cool stuff
Thanks
how fascinating!
thanks
As a Mystic for many years I'm expanding into the Dawn I want to thank you for doing these videos you are helping people to understand. Peace Profound my sister.
Thank you so much, it means a lot to me! Please, help my channel grow by sharing my videos. ^_^
I'm an atheist brazilian man, but always liked the world of religions. I think that as much as most people who made this transition to atheism I became a hater of religions, but, as I said, I always liked this world so as time went passing I got over my rebelious feel. I believe that there is no problem in criticise and contest religious ideas from a materialistic and scientific point of view, but when we mature our mind (if we let it happen) we understand that the spirituality in general has its importance in the human life. I mean, it's not necessarily useless and in many cases, I believe, fundamentally important. Maybe even for our evolutionary development. Well today I say fearlessly to anyone who knows my position as an atheist and to those with whom I share this belief that I like religions and recognize its value even if in terms of spirituality it doesn't serve me.
One last thing, and probably most important, I'd like to say is that although I not into these dark styles I find you SUPER CUTE and your accent just make you CUTER, the CUTEST!🥰
Just one more thing. Talking about dark styles like black lipstick and thing like that I always asked myself. Why do people involved in these left hand magical practices, apparently, adopt that dark style with black clothes, chains and stuff?
Hi Sharles, the two things are not necessarily related. Perhaps, there might need a study on its own!
Hi Angela: Excellent presentation, as usual. I'm really impressed by your work.
Regarding Nietzsche and Thelema...
In Crowley's Magick Without Tears, Chapter XLVIII: "Morals of AL-Hard to Accept, and Why nevertheless we Must Concur", he writes, (referencing Liber Al vel Legis):
" The Book announces a new dichotomy in human society; there is the master and there is the slave; the noble and the serf; the 'lone wolf' and the herd. ...[The “Master” roughly denotes the able, the adventurous, welcoming responsibility. The “slave:” his motto is “Safety first,” with all that this implies. Race, birth, breeding etc. are important but not absolutely essential factors]...
adding:"Nietzsche may be regarded as one of our prophets..."
So Crowley himself understood Nietzsche as being a harbinger of things to come, particularly in the context of the emergence of θέλημα.
Very interesting 👌 👍 🤔
I'm digging your videos! Thank you for presenting all of this fascinating research, Angela. Question for you. What is your favourite music?
Thank you, Greg! I love both Goth and Metal music 🤘💀
Angela, your symposium has the essential element of grounding in the activities. Have you studied Native American spiritual practices?
Yes, I have, David!
Always appreciate your work. On a technicality that I think will only help your argument, it’s my understanding that with the notion of the overman Nietzsche invites us to evoke the figure of the mountain as it’s used in Western iconography to depict the “path of enlightenment/conversion.” So it’s my understanding that the typical Western iconography represents the mountain and the practitioner’s journey up the mountain as a springboard (or, as you say, bridge) to the beyond. Like the enlightened person climbs the mountain and either stays at the top above everyone else or launches off the pinnacle into the clouds of the metaphysical. Nietzsche’s overman is opposite this idea. S/he isn’t over everyone else. S/he goes up and over the mountain, descending on the other side. Returning to the earth from that height anew. A new man-animal-god hybrid but one who is very much of and with the earth. So the overman isn’t above and over. They have gone over and descended again to become trans valued and with the power of trans valuation.
I love the idea of the Uberman from 'Thus spoke', but there are extremely deep values of the book in whole. People have seen Him as a nihilist but Niche is a Cynic. In the ancient term, when you love the world and it beauty but despise people live in a shrouded mind of "society" and the fabrication of it's morality and the dogma which everyone should follow. Of course as a person on a path to become a creator, we never leave society completely for always having one hand in it, continues to bring solidity to the values we stand on and to bring the gifts we've cultivated to others willing to listen. It's amazing truly.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing, Blair.
Is Hegel next? See “Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition” by GA Magee. Really the whole of German idealism has various connections to “the paths” so to speak. Let’s not forget Goethe and Wagner. Excellent channel.
oh wow, thanks for the book recommendation!
I’m very new to this topic of Esotericism and i would love to get more familiar with it because i think something guided me here today and I’ve been exposed to some topics that actually fall under what you’ve been talking about throughout your TH-cam videos.
I was trying to do my own research and i came across one of your comments which led me to your page and what i’ve seen so far is extremely insightful and it really just makes me focus on what you’re saying! Amazing content!
I would like to know from you which works/books/videos would you suggest so that i could get a better understanding on Esotericism and occult?
Thank you for your amazing content🙏🏽✨
thanks for the lovely words, Michelle. As for the reading recommendations, it depends on which esoteric tradition you're interested in. If that helps, I leave sources in the infobox of all my videos.
@@drangelapuca Thank you! I will check them out and probably chat a little more with you after looking.
10:30 is interesting to hear! Braidotti's idea of posthuman feminism echoes a lot of what is discussed in the later half of the vid. i'm kind of a Nietzsche hater since a lot of his ideas kinda stem from a narcissistic want for power, and humanistic excess, but the guy has style.
New to your channel, thank you for very in depth and love the reference notes. Thank you, also anything else you can refer me to or tell me about the left handed path? Thank you.
Welcome aboard, Bugsy! Have you watched the video on the left-hand path already? there are a few references over there. :-)
@@drangelapuca apologies for not checking before asking.
Thank you Angela for another great video. Academically, very solid as usual. Some things though, it has become the new orthodoxy to claim the Nazi's misinterpreted Neitzche, that Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche influenced an "anti-Semiticism" that is just not really present in Neitzsche's work but I always ask and there is no evidence given, where did they misinterpret him? Shallowly, Nietzsche seems inconsistent on the issue of Jews but this only shows a misunderstanding of Judiasm. Nietzsche is critical and rejects orthodox Jewry and its moral stance which he thought was "life-denying" but this resonated possitively with other groups of Jews who also disliked orthodox Judaism. Nietzsche was critical of German nationalism but, by his own anti-moral stance, if you want to assert nationalism that aims to annihilate others then why not? What stops this agenda according to Nietzsche's moral framework? Nietzsche does draw out the negatives of the Apollonian but what about the civilizing project of the Apollonian? To become a better society. As the forgotten genius Berdyaev wrote, in ". . .humanity, progress if possible, is in two direction, up or down; towards the idea of the God-man, or towards that of the beast-man. Movement towards super-humanity and the superman, towards super-human powers, all too often means nothing other than a beastialization of man." (1935/2009: 26) Nietzsche dismisses the Apollonian/God because it is an expression of slaves but, as he himself argues, it is to protect slaves. It is to protect the weaker ones. It stops one group from killing those vulnerable. It stops the Jeffrey Epstein's from taking what he wants from those who are vulnerable. After all, it might be argued, it requires a God to stand up to powerful men intending to do evil. If God is dead, then who will protect the weak? I ask you again, and I don't mean this in a patronizing way, but say it to all people embracing Neitzschean/Freudian world-view, remember to think about what kind of society you really want to live in. This is not a game. I look forward to more of you fantastic content in the future.
That's a legitimate take on the matter. Thanks for sharing, Jeff.
Before Marx and Einstein, the Jews never argued that anyone other than themselves needed to be liberated or protected from oppression. It's exclusively the denial of God that leads to liberation theology!! Only when God has been made superfluous it becomes possible to theorize a world where there are no chosen peoples and a society where kings have no divine right to rule. If God is dead, then who will protect the tyrants? Who will prevent the weak from rising up? Who will feed the weak with the opium of the people to keep them weak?
The left-hand park is not for everyone, so therefore not everybody is going to choose it and contribute to their own personal growth. The right hand path is needed, but so is the left hand path and those who choose it are not playing any games here, Mr.
great video
Thanks!
For a second I intended not to reply, since I feel it is already becoming a daunting task for you to answer the amount of comments you're getting, plus the counter-replies and threads resulting from some of them, but the topic is just too exciting for me to avoid. You were right in predicting I'd love this video.
I want to refer to what I feel as the most wrorrysome flaw in LHP from philosophical but especially social standpoints: it's extreme and naive individualism, which I find also to be the case with Nietzsche's very Romanticism-influenced thought. It is one thing for such ideas as self-deification to emerge in soci-cultural contexts as those of Eastern nations, with their heavy emphasis on social duty and compassion (or similar notions), and another, very different thing for them to emerge in already extremely individualistic societies, such as our Western ones, especially post-Enlightenment. I was an LHP practitioner for years, and the aforementioned flaw is what led me to the decision of becoming more of an independent, DIY practitioner. Funny enough, my social and affective lives have improved dramatically since then.
Nietzsche was right when warning us about the necessary balance between Apollonian and Dionysian, even if he himself didn't truly embrace it. Self-deification doesn't have to necessarily mean rejection of all social rituals, endeavors, and commitments, just like not all institutions have been detrimental for self-development. I've found a direct correlation between such forms of extreme individualism and a difficulty for those who endorse them to feel comfortable in collective situations, and/or participate in a meaningful way in their communities, wich I find extremely dangerous from a social perspective.
Moreover, I find those dualisms very inconsistent with the animistic and polytheitisc views that predated Platonism and the Christian era, and which had such an important influence in the development of magick. In my experience I also saw fellow practitioners embracing a petty, simplistic, cartoonish interpretation of the god Loki as a personification of wickedness and treachery, much more similar to the conventional contemporary understanding of the devil than to that of any trickster god (ancient or current).
I'll leave it there for now, sorry for the lengthy, essay-like comment, I understand if you reply ages from now or never, but your channel and videos are just deeply inspiring, and it's cool to voice these concerns with someone who will truly understand them. Lastly, my suggestion of the day: I know ancient mythology is more the area of Religion for Breakfast, but I feel there's so much more to explore in the link between ancient Greek daemons, magick, and some contemporary approaches of psychology, so that would be very cool. Thank you as always, and congratulations, this channel already feels as some sort of web haven. Cheers, have a lovely week, Angela!
Hey Juan Carlos, ALWAYS feel free to leave me comments as I really enjoy reading through your thoughts. 🤗
I recommend Walter F. Otto's book "Dionysus: Myth and Cult" to anyone interested in learning more about the richness, strangeness, terror, and wonder associated with Dionysus and those that worshipped him.
Fascinating book!
I must say I adore this video. It conceptualizes my transition from Nietzsche to Satanism in a way I never could! Do you think you might cover the philosophical and magical differences between different groups? Such as Satanism v Luciferianism. Church of Satan v Temple of Set etc. On a side note, I’m looking to start collection Crowley and was wondering if you had any tips? I was hoping to pick up The Book of the Law.
Yes, Shadow, I will certainly cover Satanism in the future. :-)
I've always appreciated Nietzche. You've really cleared up the idea of the left hand path for me.
I'm curious about your path. You have a witchey aesthetic and alchemical symbols tattooed on your forearms.
Inquiring minds want to know
Hey Gothi, glad you liked the video. I don't share my personal beliefs as this channel is about scholarly knowledge. ;-)
Could we see a video on the anarchist connections to the left hand path? I think PM Books is selling "Occult Features of Anarchism"
thanks for the recommendation!
I want to leave here a little reflection of mine about metaphysics. I think that, for all human history, we used the wrong name for that branch of philosofy. We should in fact call that "pataphysics". Now pataphysics is the study, or description, of all the abstract and immaterial peculiarities of a fictional world like that created by Tolkien or like the Discworld of Terry Pratchett. Since we never had a solid evidence of a god, or gods, or the soul, or spirits, we can rightly conclude that those human ideas are part of our imaginary world, hence they are more related to pataphysics. On the other hand, real metaphysics is starting nowadays to gain importance in the study of physics. The increasing knowledge of particle physics brings us, infact, to ask more and more profound questions about the underlying nature of particles, energy, quantum fields, space, time and reality itself. These are questions that lead us to leave step by step the realm of physics to enter a realm of metaphysics grounded in multiple evidence. For examle Einstein taught us that E=mc^2, and every day we find this to be true in particle acceleretors; but think of what is energy in reality, it is movement, and movement itself is an abstract concept born from the relation of an object, space and time. This leaves us wondering, how can an abstract concept become a real thing like a particle? A question that in itself is more akin to metaphysics than physics. And that's the reason why I think that real metaphysics is very important today and my interpretation of Nietzsche teachings is that he was just condemning human attitude to take pataphysics like a real thing that matters.
interesting reflection. Thanks for sharing, Mister Morteggio!
again wow! I had no idea of the context of 'god is dead' and had no idea it was from 'the gay science'! A different meaning than the word now, but I got a little inspired so I hope you enjoy my poetry even though I don't have much of a 'technical skill for poetry' (gai saber?)
The Gay Science
If you reversed entropy
and ran orthogonal to time
would you go to meet Jesus or Nietzche?
Would you be so surprised if they kissed?
If you raised both your hands and walked the path,
would you be so surprised if you danced?
that's fantastic!!!! Thank you. ^_^
Do we chose to go down the left hand path or the right hand path? If so, do we curve to one side like a wonky shopping cart?
I always SMASH the Like button! You should too!
The Magick is in your eyes Angela! :))
Oh thank you, Kerry!
Embrace the chaos of the wildest undetermined unsettling self determining creative state
thanks for sharing
@@drangelapuca Thank you for such great content, for the academic insight and the excellent approach, I like the alchemical symbols in your arms. I wanted to tell you that you were a manifestation of the universe, I was reaching out, looking for knowledge, and I found your channel.
Historically the World moved from a Geocentric empirical model to a Heliocentric abstract one, likewise Philosophy went from an Idealistic Epistemology to a Materialistic one (now Physicalist), with writers such as Max Stirner, Nietzsche, Crowley it is realised that there is no "Objective" reality but only an "Objective Subjectivity" or intersubjectivity, where it is realised that one is indeed the centre of one's Universe. Personally I embrace a multicentric model regarding the Solar System, depending on the criteria used.
Ciao, Angela! Excellent as always. Which books do you recommend me to grasp the fundamental concepts of the Left-Hand Path?
Hey Helena! I left a few recommendations in the infobox to the related video. Hope it's helpful!
@@drangelapuca Ok, perfect! :) Have a nice day!
You, too, Helena! 🤗
Good stuff.looking more into solomon and moses.theres alot of pagan dark matter out there.not my kind of things but always hand to know your symbols.
Back to my wool. And talisman.and feathers.if that's what you're into.please share!
thanks, Zachariah. I will.
Can you make a video on Italian deity laverna and it's modern equivalent?
interesting, Olle. I'll put it on my list. :-)
@@drangelapuca great!
Avatistic Ideogram- the higher man- Philosopher of the future.
interesting
I can only recommend reading some Nietzsche. It might be not easy but definetly worth it if you are interested into the LHP.
I do not share all of his thoughts completly (as it is usually supposed to be, for an LHPler) but most of them and i think he was one of the most important Individuals that we had cause you could call his phylosophie the foundation of tha LHP and also because he had such an big influence on basically all of the big psychologists that started to appear not long after him, in fact he called himself the very first psychologists of All.
Also he died very young and was a long time of it quite sick, i cant imagine what else he would have come up with if he would have had more time. He has btw quite some quotes that you can misinterpret very badly if you do not see the context of it
thanks for sharing, Niklas.
Please move to California and teach this at University of California, Berkeley - you're AWESOME!!!!..I also want to hear some of your music,,( I;m a Jazzy r and b guitarist and I pray like a Mayan with my guitar )
Aw Marty, I wish I could! We'd play together after the lectures! 📖🎶
Wow
Your thoughts on Goetia, Angela?
Next video will be just on this topic, Heather. :-)
Interesting how esoteric knowledge has developed throughout time. I wonder how much of it is due to people convoluting it with their own culture.
yes, it's fascinating!
I have never read any work by Nietzsche, but I have experienced the concepts you mentioned within myself and share the same ideas\ideals so to speak. I like your take on it, and I'm glad to see sth that aligns with my humble thoughts. When I was in college my literature teacher always misconstrued everything we studied into a tunnel vision feministic point of view and her views never satisfied my curiosity especially when it came to Nietzsche...I'm getting off track here... Again I never read his works, but my first guess would be: He was a hyper conscious existentialist rather than a depressed nihilist as many would think.
Nietzsche is an existential philosopher. If you are interested in existential philosophy, I recommend the novels of French Existentialists Sartre and Camus. They are an easier read.
Thanks for sharing your story, Syraephym. Yes, Nietzsche is not at all a depressed thinker!
@@nelsongalvan2178 I'm familiar with those as well. I never got to their style being a fantasy and science fiction fan.
@@drangelapuca my pleasure Angela. Your videos are always a blessing ❤️
@@Wordsmith00 just curious.. have you read "Brave New World" by Huxley?
I strongly feel that these are apples and oranges. Nietzsche rejects metaphysics. So why pull him in that domain? "Towers built on streaming water." He handled established values in a postmodern fashion, a Buddhist sand drawing wiped off the table. I think his concept Twilight of the Idols is an interesting notion to contemplate on, in this context.
Angela has great arms/shoulders!
I bet the lady does yoga :)
When will you make a video on your personal practical experiences? I mean, do you even practice magick itself or just study the topic?
I'm a scholar so on this channel I tackle magic from an academic point of view :-)
She's got a point, but I must admit that I'm curious too.
I could reveal whether or not I'm a practitioner when my channel gets super big! :-)
@@drangelapuca I reckon those tattoos represent a significant investment in practice!
"With the old Deities hath it long since come to an end:--and verily, a good joyful Deity-end had they!
They did not 'begloom' themselves to death--that do people fabricate! On the contrary, they--LAUGHED themselves to death once on a time!
That took place when the unGodliest utterance came from a God himself- the utterance: 'There is but one God! Thou shalt have no other Gods before me!'-
An old grim-beard of a God, a jealous one, forgot himself in such wise:
And all the Gods then laughed, and shook upon their thrones, and exclaimed: 'Is it not just divinity that there are Gods, but no God?'" Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra
thanks for sharing, Cha :-)
There are many gods but only one true GOD.
8:57 EFF THEM! LISTEN TO THE SMALL QUIET VOICE WHICH IS IN YOUR HEAD. THIS VOICE IS ETERNAL, AND IF IT IS IN YOU, THEN YOU ARE ETERNAL. SIMPLE.
I think I understand Nietzsche better after watching this video. When I 'got into Nietzsche' I was quite influenced by very reductive theories like the selfish gene and evolutionary psychology, so I interpreted him in a nihilist way I suppose. I knew he had influenced post modernism, which basically seems to reject the whole idea if ontology and just emphasise the importance of personal motivations, so I found that confusing. I guess Nietzsche was saying something similar after all then. I'm still not quite sure to be honest. I guess I'm biased towards the Appollonian side of things because the idea that belief and motivation are more important than accordance with 'reality' seems a bit weird and alien to me.
I was thinking about this the other day having watched this video previously, and I had a bit of an epiphany (I think) - Perhaps the law of non contradiction really is inviolable, but there are illusory contradictions which come about as a result of the limitations of language. I tried to think of an example or analogy to illustrate this, but couldn't. But anyway, if you see models and theories as maps of the world, and not the territory, then I think it sounds plausible that you could make different maps for different purposes - maybe...
Glad to hear it was inspiring, Eman!
@@drangelapuca
Yes it was, thanks.
The end of the 19th century was the most materialistic so Nietzsche's description of it as the death of God was appropriate.
So far as I can tell, neoplatonism is the most influential philosophy for western magic
Surely one of the most influential! Especially if we go back to ancient/medieval philosophy 🤓
@@drangelapuca which deeply affected the modern practices.
@@reveranttangent1771 indeed! that'd be a great topic for a future video
Maybe it helps to think of Nietzsche as a ''non reductive materialist'' but it is transcendental materialism, not just the ''empirical stuff you can stub your toe on'' variety. As he said - ''Without Kant [and thus transcendental philosophy] I would not be possible''. So we have to read his work in terms of a critique of values as well as concepts such as ontology and epistemology.... :) Which makes his work wonderfully weird.... and he is certainly as antinomian as any chaos magickian! The importance of his re-valuation of ideas as material forces is still under-estimated. Most peoplel talk of ''the death of God' as if the almighty died peacfully in his sleep. the text is actually more emphatic.... the madman claims in Z prologue and GS 125 that we have MURDERED god, he ''bled to deathbeneath our knives'' and his divine body decomposes and stinks. Many thanks for these presentations, they are wonderfully thought-provoking. M.
How could you talk about Nietzsche in Left-Hand Path esotericism without ever mentioning the Fraternitas Saturni, which was entirely based around the Will to Power and the transvaluation of values?
I wanted to keep it more to Left-hand paths in general. But you're right, I should address the FS in the future.
xepera xeper xeperu
Thanks
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Why did you use crowley unicursal hexagram as a symbol for the left hand path if that's what you think of thelema your most definitely wrong
The scholarship on the topic indicates a correlation between the two.
I'm a bit surprised about "objective morality" being associated with the metaphysical concept of God... God-derived morality is always subjective, not objective. What's objective is necessarily mutually observable in reality and therefore derived from nature, not from God, the Thomists pointed it out as early as the 13th century. Or have I missed something in your explanation of Nietzsche's position ?
He wasn't affirming an objective morality but its non-existence. In Christianity, he thought, there are standardised rules for everyone, which makes them a herd.
The philosophies you explore emerged during the period of European global hegemony. Only then could men speak of such insane individualism. Now, in 2021, the over-human would simply perish of Covid-19 or be slaughtered like a lemming for ignoring clearly crisis-level conditions.
That's a complex matter
I'm going to sound a little un-academic, but to simplify, Is, "God is dead", is more closer to someone not allowing another to use God to control them. Kind of like a cult????? Also ... Ya, you pronounced my name right.
"God is dead" refers to God is dead for society but they have not accepted it and moved on to some new belief or philosophy. Nietzsche saw society as holding on to Christianity in a sentimental way in the same way people are nostalgic for the 1960s or 1980s. Nietzsche says "God is Dead" but he also says "and we have killed Him". But people act like they had not killed God. They just put God in the closet and only open the closet on Sundays or holidays and funerals.
Hi Thomas! Your surname is Italian, so it's easy for me to pronounce! :-D And, yes, it is a matter of freeing yourself from the control of any supernatural being. We can discuss it more in our Patreon community
I'd say there's only one great misconception with Nietzsche's philosophy: distinguish ''Hopeless'' from ''The Noble''; distinct ''Strong Ones'' amongst all that are indeed Left Path: lies in the ''Art of Fighting''.
''Hopeless'' will hate deeply their enemy, carry resentiment and wish of death of ''the Greater'', even praising ''the Beast'' before ''the Man'', that is the decadence character. Their characteristics are torture and envy, lackness of love and lackness of respect.
When ''the Strong Ones'', '''the Real Noble Minds'' are of healthy nature, to favour life, and are wise to use and control hate - control channeled chaos in themselves for greater power, at the same time loving to fight, this way not finishing ''good enemies'' for letting them advance, for advancing themselves. ''Pure Love'' at all is the rarest in this category, when the most are deluded by superficiality and temporary rush.
In the world the most natural thing is ''the Nature of Ignorance'' and when being strong crossing the boundries of health, never letting to know next advances - opposite to what Nietzsche suggest.
In short: Nietzsche was for life and he put the ''Arcyman'' on pedestal above ''all Teachers from the World of Nature'' (der Gewissenhafte und der erhabener Mann). But it's not so easy to understand, because it's one of the hardest thing to do - opposed to most of experiences and straight practicality.
Man first need to know how to really laught at the Devil, not just to cover his ears and babble, or at the worst repeat mistakes of the past, that is praise the Devil itself with the head cut off.
Thanks for sharing Mozirax!
10:49 THAT WHICH DOES DIE. ONE DOES NOT YEARN, ONE ACCEPTS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF G-D HOOD. ONE GETS CHASTISED FOR HAVING THE AUDACITY FOR ASSUMING THE MANTLE OF G-D HOOD. I RECIEVED PHYSICAL BURNS (IN THE BEGINNING.) NOT TOO TOO BAD. THESE WERE HAPPENSTANCE AND NOT SELF INFLICTED, AND ARE, I'M ASSURED, PAST NOW. THE MAJOR THING, (WHEN IT was RELATED IT was/is A HUGE...RELIEF.) ONE IS TOLD, AFTER THE RESPONSIBILITY IS CONFERRED THAT THERE ARE 'OTHERS'. ALL OF THIS, WHICH FOR ME WAS A FEW MOMENTS, HAS AN AIR OF MYSTERY. THEN I WAS TOLD MY NAME (BEFORE HEAVEN,). THE MYSTERY ENDS, BUT ANOTHER BEGINS. THIS IS CALLED 'TESTING'. THE THING ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED TESTING, IS THAT I AM ALREADY CONFIRMED. I AM NOT BEING TO SEE 'IF' 'I WILL BE', I ALREADY AM, 'I WILL BE' AS HE WILL BE. AND THERE ARE OTHERS, IN THEIR VERSIONS THEIR FORMS. WE SHOULDN'T COMPETE, AND I DON'T. THIS ISN'T COMPETITION. I'LL TELL YOU; I USED TO BE SELFISH, AND SELF ABSORBED, BUT SOMETHING (WONDEROUS) HAS CHANGED FOR YOURS TRULY. NOW, WHEN I WITNESS (OBSERVE, MERELY SEE.) AN 'OTHER' I GET FILLED WITH JOY. I BLESS THEM, WHETHER UP CLOSE OR AT A DISTANCE. I MAKE SURE NOT TO UTTER A CURSE, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT; TO KEEP A POSITIVE MINDSET. NOT AS HARD AS IT USED TO BE, THANK THE MAKER !i! p.s. I BLESS EVERYONE now, SO... (don't feel excluded.)
You’re STILL GORGEOUS!!!❤🥵😈😘
Nietzche was "kinda" correct...but he lacked Gnosis...¶...
Opening his eyes, he("God") saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became
arrogant, saying, "It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me".
When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which is, 'god of
the blind'. And he said, "If any other thing exists before me, let it become visible to
me!" And immediately Sophia stretched forth her finger and introduced light into
matter; and she pursued it down to the region of chaos. And she returned up to her light; once again darkness [...] matter. This ruler("God"), by being androgynous, made himself a vast realm, an extent without limit. And he contemplated creating offspring for himself, and created for himself seven
offspring, androgynous just like their parent. And he said to his offspring, "It is I
who am god of the entirety."
And Zoe (Life), the daughter of Pistis Sophia, cried out and said to him, "You are
mistaken, Sakla!" - for which the alternative name is Yaltabaoth("God"). She breathed into
his face, and her breath became a fiery angel for her; and that angel bound Yaldabaoth(again..."God") and cast him down into Tartaros below the abyss."...and so we "see" that "God" is not quite "dead" but rather bound to "return" to Judge through Yahweh...and then kill "Himself" in the End...Peace on Firm Earth 'N Flat water
...Let us return to the aforementioned rulers, so that we may offer some explanation of them. Now, when the seven rulers were cast down from their heavens onto the earth, they made for themselves angels, numerous, demonic, to serve them. And the latter instructed mankind in many kinds of error and magic and potions and worship of idols and spilling of blood and altars and temples and sacrifices and libations to all the spirits of the earth, having their coworker fate, who came into existence by the concord between the gods of injustice and justice.
And thus when the world had come into being, it distractedly erred at all times. For all men upon earth worshiped the spirits (demons) from the creation to the consummation - both the angels of righteousness and the men of unrighteousness. Thus did the world come to exist in distraction, in ignorance, and in a stupor. They all erred, until the appearance of the True Man."...
thanks for sharing
@@drangelapuca Yew are welcome...I forgot to add this...¶...Now the Word that is superior to all beings was sent for this purpose alone: that he might proclaim the unknown. He said, "There is nothing hidden that is not apparent, and what has not been recognized will be recognized." And these were sent to make known what is hidden, and the seven authorities of chaos and their impiety. And thus they were condemned to death."
I think Nietzsche's right - if you're a real God you don't need to be worshipped.
thanks for sharing, Mies
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What was God, originally what was God, I think is no longer around/capable of fulfilling DIVINE GUARDIANSHIP over each and all.
Each of us are God.
Why does EARTH & HEART spell the same word when you move the H to the back of EARTH?
hmmm.
You are a very lovely expression of Esoteric hope/unifying fluidity shared/communicated.
Dhakini culture could be spread worldwide, you know?
Dhakini Female Monks, that don't have to be BUDDHIST per say, but the SYSTEM that GOTAMA SIDDHARA implemented which allowed any woman or girl to evade capture as being owned chattel/property, they could evade/escape and move to the BUDDHIST TEMPLE and be safe/protected.
THAT IS SUPERNATURAL REALITY that suddenly manifested on the EARTH in 600 BC.
Also Mohammed spreading the concept of MECCA as a safety zone, spread that concept the same thing as the Dhakini Movement, spread it worldwide, across the pan, over all creation's breadth.
Amen, Shalom,
Namaste.
* Psalm 63 hits home, even all these years later as I ditched the fundamentalist brainwashing.
Shaaytan/Me, Shaaytan/David, Bathsheba's husband murdered?? Is there not a parallel of GANESA guardian his mother as she BATHED????? That is linked I say for sure, but loosely, but same source concept in the story.
Samson & Odin & Osiris/Horus
EYES, EYES, OJOS
Also linked. Santa is Odin with Wolf Skins/Deer Skins inverted with the red side of the ANIMAL HIDE as the exterior of his cloak/coat?? hmm. I am viking.
thanks for sharing
As left hand person you categorise to much... lol.
haha
Nietzsche is depressing. Chaos magicians just wanna have fun!
you never really read Nietzsche
Nietzsche is not depressing at all! He's liberating. :-)