I’m 75 and have been using MMO religiously for over 50 years. I’ve done a little experimenting on most of my many cars and have always gotten at least 1 mile per gallon better mileage, making MMO pretty much paying for itself. The real bonus, however, is I’ve NEVER replaced a fuel pump or catalytic converter since I’ve been using it. I tell people, “It’s essentially free, so why not use it.” If it’s snake oil, then it’s snake oil that works.
Right on Mr. Newsome, Thanks for watching, and the good feedback. I do believe MMO uses the highest quality of snakes in their product. lol Question: Have you ever suspected they've change the formula in the last 50 years? -Chuck
Chuck, I liked this video very much, as you seem to be very fair in your presentation. I started using Marvel Mystery Oil in 2016 at the recommendation of my mechanic who had just replaced the fuel pump on my 2002 Chevy box truck that I use in my delivery business in Maryland. He said that using MMO in the gas helps to keep the fuel pump lubricated and if used as directed, would not hurt the catalytic converter or the 02 sensors. I also started using MMO in my 2002 Town Car every time I got gas. In a short period of time, I noticed the idle was much smoother in both vehicles, and they seemed to have more power. Another benefit was that the highway miles per gallon improved by at least 1.5 to 2 mpg in my car. Walmart sells the quart (32 ounce) size of MMO for $3.88, and the gallon (128 ounce) size for $15.87, which actually makes the quart a little cheaper per ounce. At this price, I am saving money using MMO with the increase in mpg, plus the added benefits I mentioned earlier. In the past 3 years, I have looked at a number of you tube videos about MMO, and a few other people made comments about using TC-W3 and acetone in the gas with positive results. I have not tried these yet, as I have been happy with the results using MMO. Frank
Wow this was a very well thought out experiment with awesome results. Most people wouldn’t take into account wind speeds, tire pressure, or temperature. Good to see that some products can actually increase fuel economy
Yo Meat, Thanks for watching, and the kind words. I beleive one reason these fuel additives provided an increase in my fuel economy is because I'm forced to use gasoline that contains 10% Ethanol. If 100% pure gasoline was available in my area, I would use it, and I would not bother with these fuel additives. I believe the results I obtained would be much lower if used with 100% pure gasoline. When Ethanol is added to gasoline it makes it "dry" by removing its lubricity. Using these fuel additives restores the gasoline's lubricty. Ethanol in gasoline is NOT my favorite thing, and I wish it's usage in gasoline would stop. Why is Ethanol added to gasoline in the first place? I'll let you find that out for yourself. -Chuck
Congrats on trying to validate fuel efficiency improvements. I see so many people that fail to recognize the dozens and dozens of factors that affect efficiency and incorrectly attribute improvements to what changes they are making. I performed similar test last July '19 on new type of spark plug design on my Chevy Equinox. I eliminated as many variables as I could, ran mulitple tests to create a baseline for each change, and reverted back to the old plugs to validate. I even monitored fuel trims on my OBDII tool. When establishing your baseline fuel efficiency, you must drive the exact same route, beginning and ending at the same point with the same mileage.. Highway route with low traffic is best. City traffic is unpredictable and inconsistent. Use of the same brand of fuel, same fuel pump, nozzle, and same octane grade. All baseline and subsequent tests must be made in short period of time to prevent variations in fuel mixtures, weather conditions, tire wear and other factors. The baseline and subsequent tests must have at least 5-10 repeated tests to obtain the average for each baseline. The condition of the oil in the engine is also a factor in fuel efficiency, and will change over the duration of the change interval. I am glad your factored in wind conditions, air temps, engine load, vehicle loading, etc. This has significant affect on efficiency. Here is my post to forum with my test method and results. r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJ62BI0Upey7YA6AdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyYjMzNnZsBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjkzMjFfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1581990344/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.equinoxforum.net%2f31-engine-drivetrain%2f27709-brisk-spark-plug-recommendation.html/RK=2/RS=OymjZXELhX0kJgkpJHUNqB6AOts- Regarding additives fuel especially light hydrotreated petroleum oil is not recommended for Gas Direct Injected (GDI) engines. The injectors are subject to upwards of 2000 psi, extreme temperatures that will cause build-up and varnish in these extremely tight clearances of the injectors. Further, when the engine is shutdown the heat soak will cause these oil additives to basically cook inside the injectors in which temps and pressure rises even more than during normal engine operation. Hook up a scan tool and IR camera of the injector you can temps double and pressure rise significantly for hours. Repeat this process on each drive cycle and you will likely cause premature failure of the injector, leaking and disruption of the highly precise spray patterns need for optical fuel efficiency.
In a perfect world this would be the standard for a consumer review and test of products. Thank you very much sir. I want to start treating both engine oil and gasoline regulatly with MMO.
Pretty interesting video. Well done! I used MMO back in the early 90s in my 300ci I6 F-150 but don't recall now if I ever saw any benefit. I used it because my dad swore by it. Considering you saw a 2.25 mpg increase, I may give this a shot on my current truck. My Ram 1500 5.7L with 35" tires is averaging a pathetic 11.2 mpg. Once again, nicely done video.
Right on MT, Thanks for watching. The real reason I use these "snake oils" is to return lubricity to the fuel, and mitigate the negative effects of ethanol in our gasoline supply, and I'm hoping it will prolong the life of my fuel pumps, and prevent rust in the fuel tank. But, I purposley don't talk about those things, and only chose to disuss the benefits of the fuel economy increase, because that's the only thing I can prove on paper with data collection. If you want to know more google; "MTBE" and "why ethanol in gas?" -Chuck
When I removed my tank from my 91 Toyota SR5 pick up, to replace the fuel pump at 200k. The gas tank was spotless, it looked brand new. I had been using mmo for years every cpl months. When I went to get it smogged, the plugs were at 100k & the Mechanic asked if he could have my sparkplugs when I removed them. He said the truck burned cleaner than some new cars. A cpl months later a watch repair man was teaching me about old pocket watches. I asked what he did, when they were 100+ yrs old, & gunked up...." Oh, we just drop them in mmo & let them sit all night. They come out sparkling clean" I was 😘. The last test I did, was put the whole bottle in the freezer for 24 hrs. It didn't freeze. I'd bet the internals of this 82 Suzuki GS 750 are spotless. It runs beautifully. P.s. you can make your own ethanol free gas. It's pretty simple, & worth it, if you have a bike. ✌️
You are very thorough (and don't ramble!). Enjoy your presentations very much and appreciate your effort and precision. As a beside, your car is a modern American legend, sad they are gone. Supreme comfort and safety, and that trunk!! Lovely torquey V8 that mpg rivals compacts and overall durability that rivals Toyora :)
Been looking at MMO for a month or so. Feb/2023 I bought 1 gal through AMZN and it was $37 delivered. Added 12oz to my oil (M1 10W-30) and 6 oz to a full tank in my 11 Grand Marquis w/72k miles. It's been only 2 days and have traveled only about 70 miles so far. I must reply to this thread because I'm very surprised it had such and immediate and noticeable improvement. So far I notice it idles smoother both in cold start (25-30F degrees) and and hot idle. The instant MPG shows a noticeable improvement by 2mpg so far but that's going to take a lot of miles to prove out. What I'm most interested in is if the chain tensioners get quieter. Especially at startup in hot weather.
Another good use for MMO is as a nut loosener. I use it in a pinpoint squirter on spark plug threads and a few days in advance on any exposed nuts and bolts I'll need to take apart. It's saved me tons of effort and I haven't busted, stripped or had any problems in over a decade now.
I came across the benefits of adding 2 stroke oil into a four stroke gas tank by accident. 25 years ago. Been mixing my gas with it ever since. And an ounce of ATF with every oil change. Keeps everything clean and running smooth
Cheers! Thanks for your results. Funny thing, I filled up at the same exact safeway station yesterday. Also got a sandwich at the solano co. baking company. Another thing worth mentioning, MMO works by also improving compression, and by converting heat into work by expanding the oil from combustion heat. Nice work
Very good solid info. Lucas and MMO are essentially solvents that also lubricate (they are not "oil" .....as they do not have the long chain parafins typically associated with "oil"). Great products. Recommend... However, TC3 is oil .... only... thus has very minimal cleaning /solvent properties to remove the varnish / carbon build up (would not recommend using this in regular 4 cycle gas engines). Regarding the MTBE / ethnol discussion -neither can lubicate (octane booster only). Sidenote...E85 flexfuel...(15 gas to 85 ethanol) as this fuel is very corrosive to aluminum and other metals and components like aluminum, rubber, etc) it requires speciality dispenser (pumps) to even dispense E85.
First off, I applaud your effort and time to independently test these fuel additives and produce the video, and for sharing it with the world. It is tough running tests like these. There are SO MANY variables affecting fuel economy and you touched on some of them in your video: air temperature, air humidity, fuel formulation (name brand, winter/summer mix etc), car accessories running during the test. And here is one that could also be at play here--order of tests. What if the improvements in mpg you observed with MMO were the product of the previous use of Lukas oil additive? Did you try re-running your control test (no additives), after testing all of the additives, to see if your MPG returned to the original measurements?...I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I think what you're doing is awesome and worthwhile. I'm just trying to give you some ideas to improve your test methodology. Keep up the good work! Thank you.
Right on Badger, Thanks for watching. You hit the nail on the head. I tested the Lucas first. When I switched to MMO, I ran 80 gallons of gas treated with the MMO in an attempt to "wash away" the effects of the Lucas before I did a test loop measurement with the MMO. I have not performed a test loop measurement with no additive to confirm, and verify mpg improvements are lost. -Chuck
@@shrimpbynightbythomas8212 No plans. I only use fuel additives. I can see how that might be an option if I ever deloped an oil sludge problem. I change my oil often enough that I don't really see a need. Also, people have left comments down below that doing so will free up sticky valve train components. So I'm positive it works for that. -Chuck
Absolutely incredible and open test research. Impressive and respectful! Keep up the great work. I suppose overall, the takeaway though, is, if you consistently exercise 100% functional use 'as directed' and you keep up on this, you'll save @ $150 bucks a year... Not bad.
I love the panther platform. I had a 94 vic and a 2011 vic (police interceptor) My son is driving the 11 vic now. Chip Foose rims, upgraded sound system and borla s types on 2 1/2 inch exhaust.
Good video Chuck! You should develop an excel spreadsheet to plug all your data into. That would be pretty slick! Another product you may want to try is automatic transmission fluid. I've used it for years as an injector cleaner and fuel pump lubricant. I never got very scientific about it. I just dump a pint in the tank now and then...
Oh man, oh man. There's like 5 different ATF formulations that I know of. Mercon V, Mercon LV, Dextron etc. I have a feeling ATF might be a secret ingredient in the MMO, and maybe that's why they add the peppermint, cinnamin flavorings (too make it smell different). Lol Guess what I'm going to go research online right now...?
Thanks for the review. I'm going to get some at Walmart tonight ( hope it's in stock and there isn't a shortage) and try it out. Been driving for 20 years and never used it. I'm gonna test different brands of gas though to see if one does better.
Amazing video. Already a huge fan and definitely appreciate the extreme detail you go into, the anti-sponsor/monetization, and the links to everything mentioned. So good to see a new channel doing things like Project Farm and going even more in-depth and research-based (new non-biased product review champion incoming?). As for my experience, I came to a similar conclusion after watching many videos/reading forums posts - adding both MMO and the ashless two-cycle oil seems to have made a huge difference (I've gained 2-3 mpg, just as you have). Testing Star Tron now, but can't seem to find many reviews - curious of your thoughts on it. Note: Project Farm's recent video on anti-gel diesel additives shows 2-cycle oil rivaling even the best of the anti-gel additives for engine corrosion
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. I'm humbled by your kind words, and in no way do I deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Todd (Project Farm). I'm not a big Sci-Fi movie fan. Maybe you can provide a link to this "Star Tron" product you speak of. I saw that the TCW3 oil did good things as a diesel anti-gel additive on Project Farm, that was shocking. What ratio of MMO, and TCW3 do you add to gasoline? Since the Lucas Fuel Treatment does not have "over treat" issues, I'm thinking about using both the Lucas, and TCW3 simultaneously just to use it up. (3oz Lucas to 10 Gal.) and 2oz TCW3 to 10 Gal.) Thanks again. -Chuck
Haha, well the quality is definitely up there. I really appreciate having all of the links and statistics ready to go in a nice format, I haven't seen or found this elsewhere. I can definitely see your channel growing tremendously due to that alone + the strict non-bias for products. As for the ratios, I'm using 3 oz of MMO and 3 oz of the TCW3 per 10 gallons of gas. I also have 10% of my engine oil (Pennzoil Ultra Platinum) as MMO. As for the Star Tron (funny name), here is a link - (www.amazon.com/Star-Tron-Enzyme-Fuel-Treatment/dp/B00D3IEIH2) It seems to have pretty good reviews on Amazon and other retail websites, although some fake/paid Amazon reviews based on a www.fakespot.com/ search I have yet to try the Lucas additive due to Chris Fix' video on one of their fuel system products (th-cam.com/video/FLhXqgEEYyI/w-d-xo.html), but it seems very promising based on others reviews + I'm not sure if this is similar to the product you have here Thanks for the swift reply, as well. Looking forward to future videos!
You know the fuel economy ratings for these cars are 15 city 23 highway... if you're getting 28 miles to the gallon you need to call Ford and help them out lmao
Hey McGuy, Unfortunately, the MPG test loop that I use is not comparable to the U.S. Federal Test Procedure. I start my test loop, after the engine has been brought to normal operating temperature. My test loop consists of no idling. My test loop consists of 99% of highway driving at a constant speed with the cruise control set at 66MPH. The other 1% is exiting the highway, and heading back. I also over inflate the tires just a bit. So my MPG test loop is only accurate, at comparing it against other MPG test loops that I perform. Trust me, I refueled my Vic the other day, after using it for some short trips when I was adjusting the headlights, and changing the oil. That was a lot of idling, and driving not long enough to get the engine to 170F-190F. I measured it at 11MPG, and that's not the lowest I've measured. One time I got 9MPG. Thanks for watching -Chuck
I get 45-50MPG out of my Saturn that's supposed to get I believe 37 on the highway.. It's literally just knowing how to drive better than they do when testing and keeping proper maintenance and running better equipment than factory..
The test method isn't repeatab!e in Midwest states if the season is changing. Because the fuel formulation is changed in mid October. The winter fuel blends are not as fuel economy friendly as the summer blends. I don't use MMO as a fuel economy improver. I just like the detergent qualities of it in the combustion chambers and fuel system.
I kinda was a non believer but I put MMO in the oil of my 07 crv with 320k miles. I was nervous when it was in there because my oil consumption went up to close to 2qt's between oil changes but now I am getting about 20 miles more per tank for an increase of around 1.5mpg and I am only burning 1/2qt of oil vs 1- 1.25 qts between oil changes. I doubt it will last but so far interesting results.
I have used MMM in my 1964 Ford f250 pickup and my 1981 Mercedes Benz 240d. I have not used it as of yet in my 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis because of concern of how it would effect the MAP sensor and other electronic components.
Great content 👌 from the UK and am currently looking into marvel mystery oil for my 2012 bmw 320d touring. Great amount of research done to get these results. One thing I'd love to know when it comes to oils and addictives there must be 1 that is the overall best but so much good companies out there doing great stuff. Just would love a proper scientific proof of why one brand is better than another etc.
Yo JB, Thanks for the kind words. As far as "best" goes I think it all comes down to an individual's application. Cost, availability, etc. For my application I like the Lucas better; th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html -Chuck
Great research and video presentation. I am still hesitant about TC-W3 in the sense that it might cause octane drop. Anything you hear or know about that?
very good video. ive been using marvel mystery oil for over a year now. Im excited to try the TC oil ive heard if using 2 stroke oil in diesel engines and have thought of using it myself
Thanks for watching Adonis, I'm sure you already know, but these additive raise the sulfur content when added to diesel fuel. Be careful not to damage things like particulate filters, or other catylists. But, it sounds like you already knew that. -Chuck
Hi, I just notices your test results while going through TH-cam videos on MMO. Can you provide any updates on how your MPG experiment is going? Did you switch to the 2C-W3 oil for your car? Are you still using it? Is it still effective with the same results? Thanks for your time.
Yo Stan, Thanks for stopping in. TC-W3 oil was the first thing I tried, and it had no effect on my car. Lucas & MMO provide around the same increase in MPG. I've continued to use the Lucas since 2019 simply because there is no over treat issue like some users have reported with MMO. So just try both to see which works best for your application. -Chuck
Actually, you can do an accurate comparison simply by comparing X to Y at the same time no matter what the time of year it is. Yes, winter fuel has less energy in it since they put additives that promote good cold starts but this has nothing to do with the tests if you do both at the same time.
I really like your testing methods and results. However, $154 is no "big whoop" in annual fuel savings. Many people, my wife and I included, try to get the most for our money in every possible way. We have took your advice and started using MMO when we bought our new car shortly after you posted this video. We're not "cheap." We're "frugal." By being frugal, we don't just spend the least without a care as to what we're buying. We buy the "most" tor the "least," and wind up saving a GREAT deal of money. By incorporating what you demonstrated here, among other means, we save over $4,000 every year on living expenses. So don't knock your results. Every little bit helps!
Yo Charles, Thanks for watching, and the kind words. I'll let you in on a little secret. My snake oil videos, (Lucas & MMO) are not about saving money from fuel mileage. They are about mitigating the ill effect caused by the 15% Ethanol content in US gasoline. Google search; "why e85?" "why is ethanol in gasoline?" -Chuck
Hi Loren, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. This is an excellent question. And, I discuss this issue in my “Lucas vs. MMO” video. You can see it here; th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html - If you don’t have time for that, let me try to explain. The short answer to your question is; Yes. But, lets go deeper. Both my cars have a 19.1 gallon fuel tank. Depending on conditions I usually refuel at ¼, or ½, or ¾ of a tank (that’s approximately 5, 10, and 15 gallons). In my trunk I keep three different additive bottles, one for each dosage (5, 10, 15 gallons. This is where things get tricky, sometimes I’m just over, or under and I add an incorrect ratio of fuel additive. MMO’s website under the FAQ’s indicates that using more than the recommended dosage may cause an “issue”. As I read that, I fear for my oxygen, A/F Sensors, and my catalytic converters (both my cars have 4 separate catalytic converters). This is one of the reasons I no longer use MMO as a fuel additive in my cars. Instead, I prefer to use Lucas Fuel Treatment. Lucas’ website under directions, it indicates “Exceeding the recommended dosage is not harmful to your vehicle”. As I read that, I understand if I’m off by a little as described by my application, the fuel additive will not cause any damage to my cars. Hope that helps, but I’m sure you now have more questions. Lol -Chuck
Right on Barb, That's a great question. I don't really know for sure. But there are thousands of people doing just that with no issues. If you're worried about damaging you O2 or Catalyst maybe look into the Lucas. -Chuck
Question, if the tank is 19 gallons I put in 7.6 ounces for that. I'm setting my self up to fill up at a half tank. Should I drive two half tanks out then add another 7.6 ounces or add 3.8 ounces at the next fill up? Or would this make a difference?
As long as you get it close it should not matter. Just know that the MMO may cause an issue if an "overtreat issue" occurs. This is why I prefer the Lucas. There is no overtreat issue with the lucas. You can be off by double, and it safe for your Oxygen Sensors, and Catlytic Converters. Also, I fill up when the low fuel light illuminates, and it takes approximately 15.5 Gallons to fill up. -Chuck
Yo Jon, Thanks for watching, and the good question. Once you discontinue use your fuel economy will return to what is was before you started using the additive. How long, who knows? Based on my calculations the products pay for their use, plus a little bit more. So I don't see myself getting off the juice anytime soon. Also, if I had a brand new car I would not bother with these things. My secondary reason for using these products is to hopefully prolong the life of my fuel pumps, and prevent rust in the fuel tank. My cars are 2004, and 2010 model year. -Chuck
I'll try marvel after I been using startron for the past month it says it got a 2 year effect which is interesting been noticing some positive difference
I have a 2003 corolla 5 speed with 300k miles. I have been using MMO at the recommended 4oz per 10 gal. there definitely is an improvement in mpg and also the engine is smoother quieter and more powerful vs no MMO. I have tried using only Walmart two stroke oil at 2oz per 10 gal and the engine seems a bit sluggish but has more low end torque. I will stick with the MMO....it's more rev happy. I can't drive the car without MMO. It doesn't behave the same believe it or not. 😁
This was clearly a ton of effort here and it was truly good work. Im only in the first part of the video. But I'm curious how we determined the best performer after those receipts. Between the baseline and Lucas you got 1.59 more in MPG Assuming this was tested on the same vehicle throughout , i would think the mpg after Lucas would have to be the new baseline for the marvel making the difference about 0.67
Last year I purchased a sealed one gallon container of MMO at a local outlet store for $1.00.. Not sure if i should add it to my fuel tank since my vehicle has a GDI engine . What say you ?
Yo Bextar, Thanks for watching. I would have to do some research to give you any kind of meaningful answer. It's the GDI part of your question that throws me off. I understand how they work, but I don't have any personal experience operating one with a fuel additive like MMO. I would play it safe, and just use the MMO as directed by the label on the back in a "regular" gasoline engine vehicle. I just visited the MMO website FAQ's. And it said MMO has a shelf life of 7 years if kept "tightly capped, and away from moisture" -Chuck
@@bextar6365 I'm aware that is a major concern of GDI owners. I've seen some videos on it, but I don't have any personal experience dealing with the issue. Since I don't operate one, I haven't been motivated to sift through all the misinformation on the subject. I tell you what, I do enjoy watching a channel called "Nate's Interactive Audio" I'm sorry I failed you. -Chuck
Hey Kris, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. I just checked the MMO website. I don't think MMO comes in a 2 quart bottle. I've seen 16oz. bottles, 1 quart bottles, and a 1 gallon jug. The cheapest I've found it is $3.88 a quart, or $15 and change for a gallon at my local Walmart. Sorry if I screwed you up. -Chuck
Have you done the test with the TC-W3 and if not I would love to see a video on it if you don’t mind making a video because if it works then I will be trying it
Hey Flix, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. I have completed preliminary testing with the TC-W3 oil as a gasoline fuel additive in my vehicle. I will not be utilizing the TC-W3 oil in my regular refueling schedule in my vehicles, but not because I don't think it works. I do believe the TC-W3 oil will improve fuel economy, lubricate the fuel pump, prevent rust in the fuel tank, clean fuel injectors, clean the backs of intake valves, lubricate the upper part of the cylinder walls etc. The reasons I will not continue use of the TC-W3 as a fuel additive in my vehicles are; 1.) There is a hazard of over treating that may damage oxygen, A/F sensors, and catalysts. 2.) The odor of the product is extremely noxious to my senses. It makes my nose, and eyes water, and gives me a headache after handling for just a few seconds. 3.) The cost saving vs Lucas or MMO is marginal. These factors will lead me to use this product for a different application. -Chuck
lol. The MMO has a very strong smell too, just not as a bad as the TC-W3. If you want more info on Lucas Fuel Tretment vs MMO I made one. You can see it here; th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html - -Chuck
Marvel Mystery Oil has been around since 1923. It used to come in metal cans with a very unique logo on it, making the product look very old. People sell these old looking cans on ebay. Frank
Chuck, thanks for hiring me as your channel moderator and financial planner. I was fortunate enough to have had some of the best financial planning instructors. I aspire to be as competent as they are, but that is a lofty goal. Perhaps you have heard of my teachers, the firm of Howard, Fine, and Howard. Maybe they are better known by their first names, Curly, Larry, and Moe. As the most brilliant one Curly might say, "nyuk, nyuk, nyuk." LOL Frank
Hey John, Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment. I discuss those issues at the 3:23 mark of the video. You have a keen eye for details. -Chuck
Panzer Platform yeah after I heard I was like 🤦🏽♂️👍🏽😂. Sorry i made it BEFORE I heard lol. Sorry sir. Right on point! By far THE BEST I’ve seen! Great job!
Yo Mark, Thanks for watching. Where I'm at in California it's basically summer all year round. Based on my testing, I have not seen a difference. But, I'm sure that's different form people in parts of the country that that have actual winter weather. -Chuck
I’m 75 and have been using MMO religiously for over 50 years. I’ve done a little experimenting on most of my many cars and have always gotten at least 1 mile per gallon better mileage, making MMO pretty much paying for itself. The real bonus, however, is I’ve NEVER replaced a fuel pump or catalytic converter since I’ve been using it. I tell people, “It’s essentially free, so why not use it.” If it’s snake oil, then it’s snake oil that works.
Right on Mr. Newsome,
Thanks for watching, and the good feedback.
I do believe MMO uses the highest quality of snakes in their product. lol
Question: Have you ever suspected they've change the formula in the last 50 years?
-Chuck
Chuck, I liked this video very much, as you seem to be very fair in your presentation. I started using Marvel Mystery Oil in 2016 at the recommendation of my mechanic who had just replaced the fuel pump on my 2002 Chevy box truck that I use in my delivery business in Maryland. He said that using MMO in the gas helps to keep the fuel pump lubricated and if used as directed, would not hurt the catalytic converter or the 02 sensors. I also started using MMO in my 2002 Town Car every time I got gas. In a short period of time, I noticed the idle was much smoother in both vehicles, and they seemed to have more power. Another benefit was that the highway miles per gallon improved by at least 1.5 to 2 mpg in my car.
Walmart sells the quart (32 ounce) size of MMO for $3.88, and the gallon (128 ounce) size for $15.87, which actually makes the quart a little cheaper per ounce. At this price, I am saving money using MMO with the increase in mpg, plus the added benefits I mentioned earlier.
In the past 3 years, I have looked at a number of you tube videos about MMO, and a few other people made comments about using TC-W3 and acetone in the gas with positive results. I have not tried these yet, as I have been happy with the results using MMO. Frank
Thanks for adding this valuable info Frank.
Wow this was a very well thought out experiment with awesome results. Most people wouldn’t take into account wind speeds, tire pressure, or temperature. Good to see that some products can actually increase fuel economy
Yo Meat,
Thanks for watching, and the kind words.
I beleive one reason these fuel additives provided an increase in my fuel economy is because I'm forced to use gasoline that contains 10% Ethanol.
If 100% pure gasoline was available in my area, I would use it, and I would not bother with these fuel additives.
I believe the results I obtained would be much lower if used with 100% pure gasoline.
When Ethanol is added to gasoline it makes it "dry" by removing its lubricity. Using these fuel additives restores the gasoline's lubricty.
Ethanol in gasoline is NOT my favorite thing, and I wish it's usage in gasoline would stop.
Why is Ethanol added to gasoline in the first place? I'll let you find that out for yourself.
-Chuck
Congrats on trying to validate fuel efficiency improvements. I see so many people that fail to recognize the dozens and dozens of factors that affect efficiency and incorrectly attribute improvements to what changes they are making. I performed similar test last July '19 on new type of spark plug design on my Chevy Equinox. I eliminated as many variables as I could, ran mulitple tests to create a baseline for each change, and reverted back to the old plugs to validate. I even monitored fuel trims on my OBDII tool.
When establishing your baseline fuel efficiency, you must drive the exact same route, beginning and ending at the same point with the same mileage.. Highway route with low traffic is best. City traffic is unpredictable and inconsistent. Use of the same brand of fuel, same fuel pump, nozzle, and same octane grade. All baseline and subsequent tests must be made in short period of time to prevent variations in fuel mixtures, weather conditions, tire wear and other factors. The baseline and subsequent tests must have at least 5-10 repeated tests to obtain the average for each baseline. The condition of the oil in the engine is also a factor in fuel efficiency, and will change over the duration of the change interval. I am glad your factored in wind conditions, air temps, engine load, vehicle loading, etc. This has significant affect on efficiency. Here is my post to forum with my test method and results.
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Regarding additives fuel especially light hydrotreated petroleum oil is not recommended for Gas Direct Injected (GDI) engines. The injectors are subject to upwards of 2000 psi, extreme temperatures that will cause build-up and varnish in these extremely tight clearances of the injectors. Further, when the engine is shutdown the heat soak will cause these oil additives to basically cook inside the injectors in which temps and pressure rises even more than during normal engine operation. Hook up a scan tool and IR camera of the injector you can temps double and pressure rise significantly for hours. Repeat this process on each drive cycle and you will likely cause premature failure of the injector, leaking and disruption of the highly precise spray patterns need for optical fuel efficiency.
Yo Bryan,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
-Chuck
In a perfect world this would be the standard for a consumer review and test of products. Thank you very much sir. I want to start treating both engine oil and gasoline regulatly with MMO.
Right on No mad,
Thanks for watching, and the kind words.
-Chuck
Your efforts to keep variables at bay during your test runs is commendable and appreciated.
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I appreciate your efforts in consistency and variables.
Right on Tater,
Thanks for stopping in, and the kind words.
-Chuck
MMO has definitely made my engines run smoothly and lubricated the lifters and has kept the injectors clean!
Right on Steve,
Thanks for the click.
-Chuck
Pretty interesting video. Well done! I used MMO back in the early 90s in my 300ci I6 F-150 but don't recall now if I ever saw any benefit. I used it because my dad swore by it. Considering you saw a 2.25 mpg increase, I may give this a shot on my current truck. My Ram 1500 5.7L with 35" tires is averaging a pathetic 11.2 mpg. Once again, nicely done video.
Right on MT,
Thanks for watching.
The real reason I use these "snake oils" is to return lubricity to the fuel, and mitigate the negative effects of ethanol in our gasoline supply, and I'm hoping it will prolong the life of my fuel pumps, and prevent rust in the fuel tank.
But, I purposley don't talk about those things, and only chose to disuss the benefits of the fuel economy increase, because that's the only thing I can prove on paper with data collection.
If you want to know more google; "MTBE" and "why ethanol in gas?"
-Chuck
When I removed my tank from my 91 Toyota SR5 pick up, to replace the fuel pump at 200k. The gas tank was spotless, it looked brand new. I had been using mmo for years every cpl months. When I went to get it smogged, the plugs were at 100k & the Mechanic asked if he could have my sparkplugs when I removed them. He said the truck burned cleaner than some new cars. A cpl months later a watch repair man was teaching me about old pocket watches. I asked what he did, when they were 100+ yrs old, & gunked up...." Oh, we just drop them in mmo & let them sit all night. They come out sparkling clean" I was 😘. The last test I did, was put the whole bottle in the freezer for 24 hrs. It didn't freeze. I'd bet the internals of this 82 Suzuki GS 750 are spotless. It runs beautifully. P.s. you can make your own ethanol free gas. It's pretty simple, & worth it, if you have a bike. ✌️
You are very thorough (and don't ramble!). Enjoy your presentations very much and appreciate your effort and precision. As a beside, your car is a modern American legend, sad they are gone. Supreme comfort and safety, and that trunk!! Lovely torquey V8 that mpg rivals compacts and overall durability that rivals Toyora :)
Right on Devonne,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Been looking at MMO for a month or so. Feb/2023 I bought 1 gal through AMZN and it was $37 delivered.
Added 12oz to my oil (M1 10W-30) and 6 oz to a full tank in my 11 Grand Marquis w/72k miles. It's been only 2 days and have traveled only about 70 miles so far.
I must reply to this thread because I'm very surprised it had such and immediate and noticeable improvement. So far I notice it idles smoother both in cold start (25-30F degrees) and and hot idle. The instant MPG shows a noticeable improvement by 2mpg so far but that's going to take a lot of miles to prove out.
What I'm most interested in is if the chain tensioners get quieter. Especially at startup in hot weather.
Right on WOT,
Thanks for stopping in, and the good feedback.
-Chuck
Another good use for MMO is as a nut loosener. I use it in a pinpoint squirter on spark plug threads and a few days in advance on any exposed nuts and bolts I'll need to take apart. It's saved me tons of effort and I haven't busted, stripped or had any problems in over a decade now.
Right on COB,
Thanks for stopping in.
-Chuck
Great video. I appreciate the effort made for those calculations. Just bought a quart to test MMO out.
Right on Noe,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I came across the benefits of adding 2 stroke oil into a four stroke gas tank by accident. 25 years ago. Been mixing my gas with it ever since. And an ounce of ATF with every oil change. Keeps everything clean and running smooth
Right on Reb,
Thanks for watching, and the good feedback.
-Chuck
Cheers! Thanks for your results. Funny thing, I filled up at the same exact safeway station yesterday. Also got a sandwich at the solano co. baking company. Another thing worth mentioning, MMO works by also improving compression, and by converting heat into work by expanding the oil from combustion heat. Nice work
Hey Taydrum,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
-Chuck
Great video ...The other benefitS of MMO is that is cleans your valves exceptionally well and using it in your oil keeps your engine clean
Right on PR,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Love the breakdown and attention to detail
Right on AZ,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
-Chuck
Very good solid info. Lucas and MMO are essentially solvents that also lubricate (they are not "oil" .....as they do not have the long chain parafins typically associated with "oil"). Great products. Recommend... However, TC3 is oil .... only... thus has very minimal cleaning /solvent properties to remove the varnish / carbon build up (would not recommend using this in regular 4 cycle gas engines). Regarding the MTBE / ethnol discussion -neither can lubicate (octane booster only). Sidenote...E85 flexfuel...(15 gas to 85 ethanol) as this fuel is very corrosive to aluminum and other metals and components like aluminum, rubber, etc) it requires speciality dispenser (pumps) to even dispense E85.
Right on Matthew,
Thanks for watching, and the good feedback.
-Chuck
Lots of good information, I will be trying the MMO. Thank you.
Yo B,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
-Chuck
First off, I applaud your effort and time to independently test these fuel additives and produce the video, and for sharing it with the world. It is tough running tests like these. There are SO MANY variables affecting fuel economy and you touched on some of them in your video: air temperature, air humidity, fuel formulation (name brand, winter/summer mix etc), car accessories running during the test. And here is one that could also be at play here--order of tests. What if the improvements in mpg you observed with MMO were the product of the previous use of Lukas oil additive? Did you try re-running your control test (no additives), after testing all of the additives, to see if your MPG returned to the original measurements?...I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I think what you're doing is awesome and worthwhile. I'm just trying to give you some ideas to improve your test methodology. Keep up the good work! Thank you.
Right on Badger,
Thanks for watching.
You hit the nail on the head.
I tested the Lucas first.
When I switched to MMO, I ran 80 gallons of gas treated with the MMO in an attempt to "wash away" the effects of the Lucas before I did a test loop measurement with the MMO.
I have not performed a test loop measurement with no additive to confirm, and verify mpg improvements are lost.
-Chuck
Thanks for listing all the products and testing them out.
Right on Shrimp T,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
@@PanzerPlatform Any plans on testing MMO in your engine oil? Happy 4th!
@@shrimpbynightbythomas8212
No plans. I only use fuel additives.
I can see how that might be an option if I ever deloped an oil sludge problem.
I change my oil often enough that I don't really see a need.
Also, people have left comments down below that doing so will free up sticky valve train components. So I'm positive it works for that.
-Chuck
Absolutely incredible and open test research. Impressive and respectful! Keep up the great work. I suppose overall, the takeaway though, is, if you consistently exercise 100% functional use 'as directed' and you keep up on this, you'll save @ $150 bucks a year... Not bad.
Right on AX,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Superb video, excellent logic, extremely thorough. Bravo!
Right on TR,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Awesome job. Wasn't sure which was best Lucas or Marvel? Now I know for sure. Thankyou for your well thought out experiment.
Right on Randy,
Thanks for watching.
Both have their Pros & Cons.
It all comes down to your application.
-Chuck
I love the panther platform. I had a 94 vic and a 2011 vic (police interceptor) My son is driving the 11 vic now. Chip Foose rims, upgraded sound system and borla s types on 2 1/2 inch exhaust.
Right on Rob,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Good video Chuck!
You should develop an excel spreadsheet to plug all your data into. That would be pretty slick!
Another product you may want to try is automatic transmission fluid. I've used it for years as an injector cleaner and fuel pump lubricant. I never got very scientific about it. I just dump a pint in the tank now and then...
Oh man, oh man.
There's like 5 different ATF formulations that I know of. Mercon V, Mercon LV, Dextron etc.
I have a feeling ATF might be a secret ingredient in the MMO, and maybe that's why they add the peppermint, cinnamin flavorings (too make it smell different). Lol
Guess what I'm going to go research online right now...?
Thanks for the review. I'm going to get some at Walmart tonight ( hope it's in stock and there isn't a shortage) and try it out. Been driving for 20 years and never used it. I'm gonna test different brands of gas though to see if one does better.
Right on Josh,
You can dilute it 320:1 with your favorite cologne for a minty aftershave if you like.
-Chuck
@@PanzerPlatform haha
Amazing video. Already a huge fan and definitely appreciate the extreme detail you go into, the anti-sponsor/monetization, and the links to everything mentioned. So good to see a new channel doing things like Project Farm and going even more in-depth and research-based (new non-biased product review champion incoming?).
As for my experience, I came to a similar conclusion after watching many videos/reading forums posts - adding both MMO and the ashless two-cycle oil seems to have made a huge difference (I've gained 2-3 mpg, just as you have). Testing Star Tron now, but can't seem to find many reviews - curious of your thoughts on it.
Note: Project Farm's recent video on anti-gel diesel additives shows 2-cycle oil rivaling even the best of the anti-gel additives for engine corrosion
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
I'm humbled by your kind words, and in no way do I deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Todd (Project Farm).
I'm not a big Sci-Fi movie fan.
Maybe you can provide a link to this "Star Tron" product you speak of.
I saw that the TCW3 oil did good things as a diesel anti-gel additive on Project Farm, that was shocking.
What ratio of MMO, and TCW3 do you add to gasoline?
Since the Lucas Fuel Treatment does not have "over treat" issues, I'm thinking about using both the Lucas, and TCW3 simultaneously just to use it up. (3oz Lucas to 10 Gal.) and 2oz TCW3 to 10 Gal.)
Thanks again.
-Chuck
Haha, well the quality is definitely up there. I really appreciate having all of the links and statistics ready to go in a nice format, I haven't seen or found this elsewhere. I can definitely see your channel growing tremendously due to that alone + the strict non-bias for products.
As for the ratios, I'm using 3 oz of MMO and 3 oz of the TCW3 per 10 gallons of gas. I also have 10% of my engine oil (Pennzoil Ultra Platinum) as MMO.
As for the Star Tron (funny name), here is a link - (www.amazon.com/Star-Tron-Enzyme-Fuel-Treatment/dp/B00D3IEIH2)
It seems to have pretty good reviews on Amazon and other retail websites, although some fake/paid Amazon reviews based on a www.fakespot.com/ search
I have yet to try the Lucas additive due to Chris Fix' video on one of their fuel system products (th-cam.com/video/FLhXqgEEYyI/w-d-xo.html), but it seems very promising based on others reviews + I'm not sure if this is similar to the product you have here
Thanks for the swift reply, as well. Looking forward to future videos!
You know the fuel economy ratings for these cars are 15 city 23 highway... if you're getting 28 miles to the gallon you need to call Ford and help them out lmao
Hey McGuy,
Unfortunately, the MPG test loop that I use is not comparable to the U.S. Federal Test Procedure.
I start my test loop, after the engine has been brought to normal operating temperature.
My test loop consists of no idling.
My test loop consists of 99% of highway driving at a constant speed with the cruise control set at 66MPH.
The other 1% is exiting the highway, and heading back.
I also over inflate the tires just a bit.
So my MPG test loop is only accurate, at comparing it against other MPG test loops that I perform.
Trust me, I refueled my Vic the other day, after using it for some short trips when I was adjusting the headlights, and changing the oil. That was a lot of idling, and driving not long enough to get the engine to 170F-190F.
I measured it at 11MPG, and that's not the lowest I've measured.
One time I got 9MPG.
Thanks for watching
-Chuck
I get 45-50MPG out of my Saturn that's supposed to get I believe 37 on the highway.. It's literally just knowing how to drive better than they do when testing and keeping proper maintenance and running better equipment than factory..
Its not uncommon for that big car to get 26+mpg. I have personally seen 30 mpg many times. Oil,fuel and tires all make a difference
The test method isn't repeatab!e in Midwest states if the season is changing. Because the fuel formulation is changed in mid October. The winter fuel blends are not as fuel economy friendly as the summer blends. I don't use MMO as a fuel economy improver. I just like the detergent qualities of it in the combustion chambers and fuel system.
Right on Scott,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I kinda was a non believer but I put MMO in the oil of my 07 crv with 320k miles. I was nervous when it was in there because my oil consumption went up to close to 2qt's between oil changes but now I am getting about 20 miles more per tank for an increase of around 1.5mpg and I am only burning 1/2qt of oil vs 1- 1.25 qts between oil changes. I doubt it will last but so far interesting results.
Right on Neil,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I have used MMM in my 1964 Ford f250 pickup and my 1981 Mercedes Benz 240d. I have not used it as of yet in my 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis because of concern of how it would effect the MAP sensor and other electronic components.
Right on Kermite,
Thanks for stopping in.
-Chuck
Very detailed, thanks for the imfo its very helpful
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Great content 👌 from the UK and am currently looking into marvel mystery oil for my 2012 bmw 320d touring. Great amount of research done to get these results. One thing I'd love to know when it comes to oils and addictives there must be 1 that is the overall best but so much good companies out there doing great stuff. Just would love a proper scientific proof of why one brand is better than another etc.
Yo JB,
Thanks for the kind words.
As far as "best" goes I think it all comes down to an individual's application.
Cost, availability, etc.
For my application I like the Lucas better;
th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html
-Chuck
Safeway LOL.. I have not seen a Safeway in 50 years.. down here near Dallas Texas... Good video Thanks
Hey T B,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
Glad to know ya.
-Chuck
Great research and video presentation. I am still hesitant about TC-W3 in the sense that it might cause octane drop. Anything you hear or know about that?
Thanks for watching.
I don't have any info on TC-W3.
-Chuck
very good video. ive been using marvel mystery oil for over a year now. Im excited to try the TC oil ive heard if using 2 stroke oil in diesel engines and have thought of using it myself
Thanks for watching Adonis,
I'm sure you already know, but these additive raise the sulfur content when added to diesel fuel.
Be careful not to damage things like particulate filters, or other catylists. But, it sounds like you already knew that.
-Chuck
$15 to save $154 - no brainer , thats $154 towards maintainance costs .
Right on David,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I see from your receipt you live in Dixon CA. That is horse ranch country, people don't know that area of CA. is pure paradise!
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
I've lived in Dixon since 1994, I've never seen a horse.
-Chuck
Thanks for the information and video. 🙌
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
Nice hammer.
-Chuck
[raising hand] does watching this video count toward my PhD in mathematics?
I think I screwed up trying to leave a clever reply. lol
-Chuck
July 1919? Didn't know Marvel had been around that long! xD Thanks for the great video with a good testing method.
Right on Michael,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Great info, Thank you for sharing.
Hey Ricky,
Thanks for watching, and taking the time to comment.
Glad to know ya.
-Chuck
Hi, I just notices your test results while going through TH-cam videos on MMO.
Can you provide any updates on how your MPG experiment is going? Did you switch to the 2C-W3 oil for your car? Are you still using it? Is it still effective with the same results? Thanks for your time.
Yo Stan,
Thanks for stopping in.
TC-W3 oil was the first thing I tried, and it had no effect on my car.
Lucas & MMO provide around the same increase in MPG.
I've continued to use the Lucas since 2019 simply because there is no over treat issue like some users have reported with MMO.
So just try both to see which works best for your application.
-Chuck
Actually, you can do an accurate comparison simply by comparing X to Y at the same time no matter what the time of year it is. Yes, winter fuel has less energy in it since they put additives that promote good cold starts but this has nothing to do with the tests if you do both at the same time.
Right on Forrest,
Thanks for watching, and the good feedback.
-Chuck
I really like your testing methods and results. However, $154 is no "big whoop" in annual fuel savings. Many people, my wife and I included, try to get the most for our money in every possible way. We have took your advice and started using MMO when we bought our new car shortly after you posted this video. We're not "cheap." We're "frugal." By being frugal, we don't just spend the least without a care as to what we're buying. We buy the "most" tor the "least," and wind up saving a GREAT deal of money. By incorporating what you demonstrated here, among other means, we save over $4,000 every year on living expenses. So don't knock your results. Every little bit helps!
Yo Charles,
Thanks for watching, and the kind words.
I'll let you in on a little secret.
My snake oil videos, (Lucas & MMO) are not about saving money from fuel mileage.
They are about mitigating the ill effect caused by the 15% Ethanol content in US gasoline.
Google search;
"why e85?"
"why is ethanol in gasoline?"
-Chuck
Cool! Thank you!@@PanzerPlatform
Thanks , I am switch from tomorrow to save some money !
Yo Rui,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
-Chuck
Isn’t the air density different during summer and winter
Right on Octane,
Thanks for watching.
I address that issue at 3:21
-Chuck
The directions state 4 ounces per 10 gallons of gas. Do you just adjust it to your tank by 40%? So a 16 gallon tank would use about 6.4. Ounces
Hi Loren,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
This is an excellent question. And, I discuss this issue in my “Lucas vs. MMO” video. You can see it here;
th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html
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If you don’t have time for that, let me try to explain.
The short answer to your question is; Yes.
But, lets go deeper.
Both my cars have a 19.1 gallon fuel tank.
Depending on conditions I usually refuel at ¼, or ½, or ¾ of a tank (that’s approximately 5, 10, and 15 gallons).
In my trunk I keep three different additive bottles, one for each dosage (5, 10, 15 gallons. This is where things get tricky, sometimes I’m just over, or under and I add an incorrect ratio of fuel additive.
MMO’s website under the FAQ’s indicates that using more than the recommended dosage may cause an “issue”. As I read that, I fear for my oxygen, A/F Sensors, and my catalytic converters (both my cars have 4 separate catalytic converters).
This is one of the reasons I no longer use MMO as a fuel additive in my cars.
Instead, I prefer to use Lucas Fuel Treatment. Lucas’ website under directions, it indicates “Exceeding the recommended dosage is not harmful to your vehicle”. As I read that, I understand if I’m off by a little as described by my application, the fuel additive will not cause any damage to my cars.
Hope that helps, but I’m sure you now have more questions. Lol
-Chuck
Is there any chance of regular use of mmo at prescribed 4oz per 10 gal in a modern car can spoil the o2 sensor or cat?
Right on Barb,
That's a great question.
I don't really know for sure.
But there are thousands of people doing just that with no issues.
If you're worried about damaging you O2 or Catalyst maybe look into the Lucas.
-Chuck
Question, if the tank is 19 gallons I put in 7.6 ounces for that. I'm setting my self up to fill up at a half tank. Should I drive two half tanks out then add another 7.6 ounces or add 3.8 ounces at the next fill up? Or would this make a difference?
As long as you get it close it should not matter.
Just know that the MMO may cause an issue if an "overtreat issue" occurs.
This is why I prefer the Lucas.
There is no overtreat issue with the lucas.
You can be off by double, and it safe for your Oxygen Sensors, and Catlytic Converters.
Also, I fill up when the low fuel light illuminates, and it takes approximately 15.5 Gallons to fill up.
-Chuck
@@PanzerPlatform Thanks, Chuck. I did not know that it could cause an issue if you over treat with MMO.
@@midwestpanther98
I read about it on the MMO website under FAQ's. Check it out.
Do the mpg improvements from either additive disappear if you stop using the additives with every fill up?
Yo Jon,
Thanks for watching, and the good question.
Once you discontinue use your fuel economy will return to what is was before you started using the additive. How long, who knows?
Based on my calculations the products pay for their use, plus a little bit more. So I don't see myself getting off the juice anytime soon.
Also, if I had a brand new car I would not bother with these things. My secondary reason for using these products is to hopefully prolong the life of my fuel pumps, and prevent rust in the fuel tank.
My cars are 2004, and 2010 model year.
-Chuck
I'll try marvel after I been using startron for the past month it says it got a 2 year effect which is interesting been noticing some positive difference
Right on Capn'
How do you know it works?
-Chuck
@@PanzerPlatform Car seems faster and my gas miles went up got 18.4 in my merc city
I have a 2003 corolla 5 speed with 300k miles. I have been using MMO at the recommended 4oz per 10 gal. there definitely is an improvement in mpg and also the engine is smoother quieter and more powerful vs no MMO. I have tried using only Walmart two stroke oil at 2oz per 10 gal and the engine seems a bit sluggish but has more low end torque. I will stick with the MMO....it's more rev happy. I can't drive the car without MMO. It doesn't behave the same believe it or not. 😁
Yo Larry,
Thanks for watching, and the good feedback.
-Chuck
This was clearly a ton of effort here and it was truly good work. Im only in the first part of the video. But I'm curious how we determined the best performer after those receipts.
Between the baseline and Lucas you got 1.59 more in MPG
Assuming this was tested on the same vehicle throughout , i would think the mpg after Lucas would have to be the new baseline for the marvel making the difference about 0.67
Pretty much all fuel additives increase the MPG about the same.
The trick is finding one that fits best for your specific application.
-Chuck
Last year I purchased a sealed one gallon container of MMO at a local outlet store for $1.00..
Not sure if i should add it to my fuel tank since my vehicle has a GDI engine .
What say you ?
Yo Bextar,
Thanks for watching.
I would have to do some research to give you any kind of meaningful answer.
It's the GDI part of your question that throws me off. I understand how they work, but I don't have any personal experience operating one with a fuel additive like MMO.
I would play it safe, and just use the MMO as directed by the label on the back in a "regular" gasoline engine vehicle.
I just visited the MMO website FAQ's. And it said MMO has a shelf life of 7 years if kept "tightly capped, and away from moisture"
-Chuck
@@PanzerPlatform The reason I "Axed" you is, they say GDI engines are known to build up carbon deposits on the valves after awhile.
@@bextar6365
I'm aware that is a major concern of GDI owners. I've seen some videos on it, but I don't have any personal experience dealing with the issue.
Since I don't operate one, I haven't been motivated to sift through all the misinformation on the subject.
I tell you what, I do enjoy watching a channel called "Nate's Interactive Audio"
I'm sorry I failed you.
-Chuck
I put 2 cycle in my rotary but are u doing this to piston engine aswell
Right on Eddy,
It was the first thing I tried, and it didn't work.
-Chuck
Marvel works great as additive in 1.5 skyactiv mazda. However it is very hard to get it here in israel.
Right on Victor,
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I thought you said the mmo cost 3.88 for a 2 quart bottle?
Hey Kris,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
I just checked the MMO website.
I don't think MMO comes in a 2 quart bottle.
I've seen 16oz. bottles, 1 quart bottles, and a 1 gallon jug.
The cheapest I've found it is $3.88 a quart, or $15 and change for a gallon at my local Walmart.
Sorry if I screwed you up.
-Chuck
Have you done the test with the TC-W3 and if not I would love to see a video on it if you don’t mind making a video because if it works then I will be trying it
Hey Flix,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
I have completed preliminary testing with the TC-W3 oil as a gasoline fuel additive in my vehicle.
I will not be utilizing the TC-W3 oil in my regular refueling schedule in my vehicles, but not because I don't think it works.
I do believe the TC-W3 oil will improve fuel economy, lubricate the fuel pump, prevent rust in the fuel tank, clean fuel injectors, clean the backs of intake valves, lubricate the upper part of the cylinder walls etc.
The reasons I will not continue use of the TC-W3 as a fuel additive in my vehicles are;
1.) There is a hazard of over treating that may damage oxygen, A/F sensors, and catalysts.
2.) The odor of the product is extremely noxious to my senses. It makes my nose, and eyes water, and gives me a headache after handling for just a few seconds.
3.) The cost saving vs Lucas or MMO is marginal.
These factors will lead me to use this product for a different application.
-Chuck
Panzer Platform Thank you so much for the fast response I guess I will go back to Walmart return the gallon of it and just buy the MMO
lol.
The MMO has a very strong smell too, just not as a bad as the TC-W3.
If you want more info on Lucas Fuel Tretment vs MMO I made one.
You can see it here;
th-cam.com/video/gb3vVqmbVBU/w-d-xo.html
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-Chuck
Marvel works.so does outboard oil.
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
I didn't know if it was actually a product. Cool name.
Marvel Mystery Oil has been around since 1923. It used to come in metal cans with a very unique logo on it, making the product look very old. People sell these old looking cans on ebay.
Frank
Caper, please let me introduce you to my new channel moderator, and financial panther, I mean planner.
Frank New. Lol
@@PanzerPlatform lol👍
Chuck, thanks for hiring me as your channel moderator and financial planner. I was fortunate enough to have had some of the best financial planning instructors. I aspire to be as competent as they are, but that is a lofty goal. Perhaps you have heard of my teachers, the firm of Howard, Fine, and Howard. Maybe they are better known by their first names, Curly, Larry, and Moe. As the most brilliant one Curly might say, "nyuk, nyuk, nyuk." LOL Frank
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Can you add MMO to diesel fuel tank ?
Right on Pha,
Thanks for watching.
According to the label on the bottle it says it can be added to gasoline, and diesel.
-Chuck
Weather conditions? Winter vs Summer?
Hey John,
Thanks for watching, and taking time to comment.
I discuss those issues at the 3:23 mark of the video.
You have a keen eye for details.
-Chuck
Panzer Platform yeah after I heard I was like 🤦🏽♂️👍🏽😂. Sorry i made it BEFORE I heard lol. Sorry sir. Right on point! By far THE BEST I’ve seen! Great job!
@@TherealBigJohnSt33l
Right on.
@@PanzerPlatform doesn't the winter blend versus the summer blend of gasoline make a difference?
Yo Mark,
Thanks for watching.
Where I'm at in California it's basically summer all year round.
Based on my testing, I have not seen a difference.
But, I'm sure that's different form people in parts of the country that that have actual winter weather.
-Chuck
Excellent lubricant
Thanks for watching.
-Chuck
Lol you said “back in 1919” 😆
Yo YG,
I guess that's not too long ago in my mind.
My father was born in 1929. lol
-Chuck
Great video sir. Thank you
Right on TS,
Thanks for stopping in.
-Chuck