Your work is amazing. Once you are done with all the sources, your next step would be to connect the Pelasgians with their writing system throughout the world. Christopher Knight and Robert lomas in their book Uriels Machine expand on the Scottish professor Alexander Thome and the mathematical system which is called sacred geometry through the use of the megalithic yard and the circle which is based on 366 degrees
Thanks Simban..Ill take a look at it and see what I can find. Interesting basing the circle on 366 degrees. It was always curious to me how the length of a year wasnt quite in harmony with a fully circular motion. Ill have to take a look..it sounds really interesting. Thanks for the info and for taking the time to watch.
@@auld_boy yes sorry about the Google talk typos I corrected them. If we were to count the sun rises throughout the year there would be 366. Expanding on this Christopher Knight and Robert lomas worked out the mathematics. And using the megalithic yard discovered by professor Alexander Thome they came to a harmonious conclusion.
The plot thickens! Keep leading us further into the cave. Interesting thing for me is that my last name is a cognate with Pyrgos (probably also Pyrgi).
thank you Shé, Im pleased you enjoyed it. Its taken hours to piece these last three episodes together but Im happy with how it turned out. Thanks for watching and for all the support!
Just had a read through the comments, I see how often you replied, lot of time taken before and after production, don't know if you will be able to keep that up as your channel's popularity increases, but kudos to you, a Q and A session where subscribers can ask questions in advance might save you some time 😊
Powerful work my brother!! 🐉💪 The most extensive research I've found regarding this subject is Dylan Saccoccio's Spirit Whirled book series and recent research. You two would be a heavy duty tag team for a stream talking all things Ancient and philology.
Great video, that was some of the best footage of the Etruscan tombs I’ve seen also. With the music in the background, just perfect! I’m of the opinion that every time people have settled/colonized new lands, they’ve changed, so it does not surprise me about the confusion about the Tyrrheno-Pelasgians, who would be no different here. It would make sense that you had a prior Tyrrhenian culture mixing with the incoming Pelasgians and making something new, just like the people who later became the Greeks. While not a 1 for 1 comparison, I think an interesting foil to study would be the early European competition between the English, French, Dutch and Swedish for North America (The influence of the Basque Whalers and Breton Fisherman along the Atlantic coast in the 1500’s also should not be ignored.) Sweden is a very interesting case. Despite their preeminent power in Europe, they did not provide much support to their overseas colonies (due to their military focus on the continent) and ultimately lost New Sweden to the Dutch. (Who ultimately lost it all to the English.) Those early Swedish colonies are not thought about much, but they exported their Log Home construction to the Americas. The English colonists later adopted that specific style of construction for their own frontier construction (where many of the Swedes had retreated to when the Dutch took over New Sweden) which then caused log cabins to spread all over the continent and become “American Log Cabins”.
Hey DBC! Im pleased you liked the package..these last three episodes took a lot of work so Im pleased you enjoyed it. Yes Im 100 percent with you there...it seems to me like we have a migrating group of pastoralists who are coming into contact with pockets of agriculturalists. Over time they become their own distinct group. Ive seen other people discussing the differences between these early groups..some following a matriarchy and others a patriarchy. I wonder if this is due to Pastoralists applying a caste system over their conquered lands..the king being the God and so on..whereas the agriculturalists had nature rites which were based on certain times of the year (planting, harvesting in tune with nature and so on). The quote from Aristotle in the last video really seemed to solidify this for me! Thanks for watching and for giving some food for thought! I appreciate it.
@@auld_boy I am with you about the pastoralists 100%! This is where I am at. Like usual, these are just speculations, and I am probably oversimplifying and/or wrong about a lot of it! 1. Prior to Agriculture, I believe there was really one Afro-Eurasian nomadic pastoral world, reliant on the migration patterns of herd animals such as Reindeer, Deer, Gazelle, etc. Through the use of structures like desert kites to trap herds, which were used as mobile food stores, essentially making herds semi-domesticated. (No animal husbandry at this point, just a spectrum of “animal control” from following herds much like the Sioux Indians on one end, to practically domesticated, (minus husbandry) like how certain Siberian tribes managed wild reindeer herds up to the 1800’s.) I am a strong believer that politics, not geography (with a few special exceptions), is what limits human travel. Neolithic pastoralists were very well connected across the Eurasian steppe due to their nomadic nature and lack of borders. They probably used skinboat sleighs pulled by dogs/reindeer to travel around. It is worth noting that Saka and Nart have associations with skiing/skating from Scandinavia to Persia. Pottery is also suggestive of a connected Eurasian Neolithic world with the similarities in Comb Ceramic pottery from the Jeulmun Korean pottery to the Pit-Comb and Corded Ware pottery styles (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_Ceramic is worth reading) I suggest studying the pots. Cord wrap markings near the top, and “mountain” comb marks around the body of the pot. I personally call it “The Sky and the Mountains” pattern. 2. Agriculture, along with desertification from the end of the African Humid period, splits this nomadic-pastoral world into two camps. A. Eurasian Steppe B. North Africa-Arabia-Indian Ocean Maritime Pastoral complex. Full animal domestication only occurs with animal husbandry with the rise of agriculture, a final “cap” to the much older semi-domestication of herds process, once certain outlier groups settle down and start plotting out their first farm fields. I think it’s important to recognize that farmers are the weird ones in this pastoral world. This agricultural practice I believe was also religious in nature, and the cult of agriculture spread rapidly. Agriculture itself and all of its trappings was the mystery of its time. You either went through the proper rituals to domesticate plants and the land consistently, or you were at the whim of the Gods. (I will not get into all my reasons for this now, as it will be part of my first youtube video. If you are curious for a teaser, I think there are some interesting modern clues with the Kirat people in Nepal, who practice a form of Shamanism called Kirat Mundham, specifically their festivals of Udhauli (Migration phase downward), and Ubhauli (Migration phase upward). For a little modern anthropology: Kirat Maypole type Ceremony th-cam.com/video/wS-0My_ixT0/w-d-xo.html Korean Maypole type Ceremony th-cam.com/video/ilREFrZAReY/w-d-xo.html Galician Portuguese Maypole Ceremony th-cam.com/video/zZImI3p4e08/w-d-xo.html 3. I personally believe the Indian Ocean from Southeast Asia to the Horn of Africa was bustling with traffic in the Neolithic during the Ubaid period, probably even earlier. A Seafaring Pastoral Khanate world of cows and mead if you will. This influence through the rise of Egypt makes it into the Mediterranean. (which was bustling in it’s own way, as we see with the Sardinian Monte Arci obsidian trade in the Neolithic) It is getting late here, so maybe I will add another comment at another time! Sorry to end it abruptly.
My guess is they were often conflated due to close interactions/associations, but were nonetheless unrelated. Interestingly enough the Aborigines (basically the proto-Latins) were thought to be close kin to the Pelasgians which is supposedly why they were quick to ally themselves against the Siculi dwelling in Latium around 1400 BC. I'd speculate that this kinship is based on them being separate but related Proto-Tyrhennian tribes who went on to settle in Latium and adopt the language of the Siculi and like-tribes of the region speaking Latino-Faliscan languages. Some of them were driven out but some certainly remained, and mixing with the Aborigines became what we know as the Latins.
I get a similar sense, but I think there may be relations. From the information, I am gathering that these nomadic pastoralist groups were moving around and settling in areas where they were coming into contact with agriculturists. After mixing with them, they would become their own distinct group over time. I think this is also why were have the stories of two opposing factions in various mythologies such as Olympians VS Giants (Authochthones) in the Greek Sphere, Devas VS Asuras in the Hundu, and the Aesir VS the Jotunn in the Norse. Thanks for watching and for giving some food for thought!
As wiki notes, "the Greeks always called the Etruscans Tyrsenoi (or Turrhenoi, Tursenoi, Tursanoi), although not all Tyrsenians were Etruscans." Wiki also notes this name is not Greek, and is tied, they think, to tursis, meaning tower, though this is a word believed to be borrowed into Greek. (There are towers from this time period, but they are associated more with the Sardinians, and they use words with a "nur" root, not "tur" for describing them.) Another interpretation is to see turrhenoi as referring to "crossers," derived from a PIE root trh, meaning "to cross." The Lemnos stele stele of c. 500 BC is thought to be inscribed with a language similar to that of Etruscan, leading some to wonder if aspects of Etruscan language or alphabet are more accurately labeled Tyrrhenian, and to what extent there might be an Anatolian influence. Wiki notes that Hesiod, a c. 700 BC poet, describes the Tyrrhenians living in central Italy along with the Latins. The Latins are an IE speaking tribe (meaning they formed after 2500 BC), located in Latium, a region thought to originate near Mons Albanus, which is near Rome. The Latins probably arrived there around 1200 BC, with the establishment of widespread agricultural development characteristic of later Rome by 1000 BC. The Tyrrhenians might likewise have arrived around 1200 BC, as that was the age of the Sea Peoples, and the Tyrrhenians are thought to be one of these "viking like" sea raider people who plagued the Mediterranean in that era. If so, they are recorded in Egypt as the Teresh (Taurus). Other tribes in the Sea Peoples list are: Lukka (thought to be Lycians), Karkiya (Caria?), Peleset (Philistines), Shekelesh (Sicilians), Sherden (Sardinians), Weshesh (Osci? Issus?), Denyen (Danaoi), and Ekwesh (Achaea / Ahhiyawa, though it sounds to me more like equus). They say the earliest evidence of an Etruscan civilization comes from 900 BC, so while the Etruscans are more like PIE speakers (indicating they branched off before 2500 BC), they might have also arrived in Italy around that 1200 BC era. It is thought they came from the northwest, from the Alps, and they called themselves the Rasenna (Etruscan "rasna" meaning "the people"). Other tribes of the north are called Raeti. The root "ray" in PIE implies a line or lineage, and is found in words like ray, race, trace, track, and royal, and it could be that the Etruscans and Raeti are using this word to refer to their ancestors (the family lineage), if they are indeed PIE speakers. It seems possible that "tyr-rhenian" could be a compound word used to describe the joining of a Teresh / Tursenoi and Rae-ti people. An alternative take on the root of tursenoi, from me, would be related to taurus, which I believe may have its root the same as English tow, as oxen were used as cart-pulling animals. The Scythian type people, for example, used ox-drawn carts. All manner of animals were used as draft animals or towers, like dogs, reindeer, and so on, but for a long time oxen were used, probably by cow-centric communities, and such existed in southern Italy.
Look at Etruscan cities and the "tower" reference makes sense: Their cities are almost exclusively located on top of steep hills towering over the landscape and have impressive sets of walls. Also the Raetians of the Alps are a fundamentally different people to the Rasna, where the later built magnificent cities, had complex religious customs and elaborate temples and often got accused of hedonistic pursuits the former were little more than tribal mountain dwellers eaking out a megre existence in an inhospitable backwater leaving behind little to nothing of note and whose only economic means consisted of guiding travellers across the mountains, small time subsistence farming and, as soon as they fell under Roman rule, military service to a disproportionally huge degree.
Great stuff and super detailed. Still, I think the textual sources are mentioning one same location (Tuscany more or less) and not the same people (Pelasgian and Etruscans) There are Cyclopean/Pelasgian walls in Tuscany (Dyonasius of Helicarnasus mentions Santa Severa) but these works are not the type the Etruscans would do.
My comment on another video about the cuccitani trypollia sp* culture and potential feminine centralized control made the video I’m gonna try posting bellow relevant. It’s Dan Davis History channel on The world’s first money is older than you think. It’s about copper from across Europe from the Bronze Age mostly and when evaluated together they seem to represent standardized unit’s in weight. Fascinating stuff to add to our world history.
@@kariannecrysler640 that’s super interesting Kari, as I’ve just been reading a paper on the pelasgians..and at one of the suspected sites they found small, bronze spear heads..to small for use and not made for practical use. They believe they were used as currency! So thanks for this I’ll definitely have a look for the Dan Davis video! Cheers Kari 🍷
Excellent work, I have long wanted to understand who the Etruscans were, I will have to watch your series now. I wonder if these were the people who went on to become the Venetians who enslaved the world?
The Italians organized an exhibition dedicated to the Etruscan civilization in Georgia and they themselves say that the Etruscans are people related to the Colchis and are very similar to us, here is the video
Yes indeed they have! Im sure one of the sources I came across said that the Pelasgians helped the Athenians build their wall which also got me thinking of the polygonal stonework. Cheers for watching.
@@auld_boy I have read this too, the Athenians rewarded the Pelasgians with the worst bit of swampy land, the Pelasgians transformed it into a productive area better than the Athenians had so the Athenians drove them away and took it.
@@SuperRobinjames yes that’s the quote, I came across it in my research. I may have included a cut down version of the source in a previous video actually. It became increasingly apparent when I was looking at these sites that they all had these old foundations. I’ll have to do an episode on it down the line!
The thing that sucks is the general consensus among historians is that the Greeks were full of crap saying Etruscans came from Lydia. They also say that it doesn't really narrow anything down, because Greeks sometimes referred to almost everywhere in that general direction as Lydia. Also, interestingly enough, the Etruscans didn't bring written language to the Italian peninsula. Apparently, the Atestines who are a few centuries older & live northeast of them were the first people in the region with a written language. They likely weren't all that closely related to the Etruscans, either.
Problem is the Greeks loved _aition_ and basically made up stories about all people they encountered (and themselves) and the most common is simply "In the land of Y something bad happened so X arose as a leader and led all/half/some of his people through a long and ardeous journey guided by (insert your favourite diety) to a new land they called X-ia and thus we now know those men as X-ians." It has been proven to be utter BS 9 out of 10 times. Mythical founders are just that, myths to retroactively tie yourself to a great ancestoral civilisation or hero and to discredit someone else by tracing their lineage to an old enemy.
@@auld_boy The thing about the Lemnian stele is that it is more likely that it's a relic from a culture influenced by an Etruscan tradeport (kind of in the same way the Ionian Islands still bear monuments inscribed in _Veneto de Mar.)_ given how we know the indigenous Lemnians were a Thracian people. What makes the Tyrsenian Languages especially tricky is that we don't have a lot of Etruscan literature to begin with (about 12'000 texts who are to a large degree just short inscriptions) and virtually none in Raetic (300ish short inscriptions) or Lemnian (literally just two texts and a bunch of tiny fragments).
@@auld_boyThe language family is proposed & several people support it in the linguistics community, though the Greeks also referred to the Lemnians as Thracians. They've never found any archaeological evidence supporting a move in that direction & history doesn't add up. We don't have much of a match between known Etruscan gods & Turkish ones, either. If it was me, I would rather assume that, maybe, the Etruscans & Reitians were an isolated pocket of Thracian people who got separated from them thousands of years ago & whose culture developed in a 100% completely different direction, but mostly kept the language. You might even be able to argue that the words Etrusci & Thraki are distantly related. But, I don't know if there is much of any support in assuming the Lemnian Stele contains a Thracian language. I'm interested in the subject, but am also a beginner here.
Interesting ! Because ‘everything inside me‘ has begun a series about a german book stating that the roman empire is not real but an attempt to explain evidence of a unified culture - and that the pelasgians are implicated ...
@@dougrennpferd904 I’m pleased you found the video and thought it was interesting. From my research..which is built on the foundations of others..seems to indicate there were similar mystery rites being practiced by all these people. It seems like when Christianity became the official religion of Rome (and its build up) is when this seemed to change. It was polytheism in all of these places which later became dominated by monism. If you are interested, I have sources in the previous video which state that the Roman Lupercalia festival and Satrunalia were introduced by the pelasgians 👌
I am interested in finding my lineage i dont know much. Id like to know were my family originated in Europe. Since i live in America and my last name means " new man" it could be Scandinavia or German. It would be cool in my opinion to know if there are distant relatives in Europe. And maybe where or what kingdom was my family ruled under and how we got to America.
I think Ancestry lets you create family trees and such and connect with people who you share genetics with in order to help piece the tree together. It might be worth while having a look into it. Good luck with your search, I hope you find the answers you are looking for!
Albania's capital's is named as Tirana. The link between us today, the Ilyrians and the Pelazgians is established by international and national albanologers. Perhaps there's also a link between the name Tyhrrene and Tirana. Seems to me undubitable.
It could be coincidental but: Πελασγοι Ελλας☝🏻 See the similiarity Ελλας Ellas is what the Greeks call Greece I think the Egyptians mention the sea peoples as Peleset which is most likely referring to Pelasgians
Great content. Your voice, accent and pronunciation is brilliant. The music is a bit loud. I want to hear you, not a psychological trick to dull my mood as is popular in videos with no real content. Nice work though! Great scholarship!!!
cool beans man... you yourself are intelligent and insightful, but as you draw from primary texts and physical evidence etc, your episodes cannot help but be interesting to me.
Cheers Wretch, that means a lot! Im pleased you are enjoying the videos. These took ages to piece together as there were so many sources to sift through. Thanks for your time mate :)
I have a question. Are the greeks and Italians phoenicians. Is that what this breaks down to? A more detailed breakdown of the story? Also, did the greeks use the phoenician alphabet?
@@Machine9000 Νο. The Phoenicians started colonization and trade after the fall of the Mycenaean civilization in 1150 BC. And the Phoenicians had no alphabet but an abjad (consonantal without vowels) used across the Mediterranean civilization of Phoenicia for most of the 1st millennium BC. The Greeks, who until then had syllabic writing, may have taken the idea of the letter, (but it is not commonly accepted) and added the vowels.
At around 2100 BCE, some Phoenicians (to whom DNA haplotype J1 originates) moved from the Middle East to Greece and mixed with the local population who where the people whee haplotype G2 originated. About 100 years later people from Anatolia who where the people where R1b originated, passed through Greece and some mixed with the locals while others kept traveling westwards and inhabited western Europe. The average Mycenaean and Minoan of the Bronze Age had about 50 to 60% the haplotype G2, 30% to 20% of J1, and 20% to 10% R1b. This was proven by a study that took DNA samples from the bones and teeth of prehistoric inhabitants of Greece, and compared it to the DNA of other populations. The study was published at 2017 at Nature magazine, by Laskaridis et al. The migrations the study found correspond to stories of migration from Greek mythology. The J1 addition to the genome corresponds to the migration and settlement of Cadmus, and the addition of R1b corresponds to the coming of Dionysos to Greece from the east, accompanied by the Maenads who where of Phrygian (Indoeuropean redheads) and Lydian origin. Also interesting is the discovery that the Mycenaeans and the Minoans where genetically the same people, with the main difference being that Crete (Minoans) was initially inhabited by the J1 Phoenicians and had migrations of G2 and R1b later on, while mainland Greece (Mycenaeans) was originally inhabited by G2 and received migrations of J1 and R1b. In both cases the populations traveled back and forth and mixed, and the result was a population with mixed ancestry of local European Neolithic farmers, Middle Eastern Canaanites, and Anatolian Indoeuropeans.
Algonquin Indians have a tale of Glooskap who raided the Mediterranean as sea peoples, maybe the Glauccidae. Also a good video by Mind Unveiled about the Origins of Irish Civilisation and this one th-cam.com/video/wBxA9BJFlqk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wDIvM8_YKQU90ymu Also the videos of Michael Tsarion. I wonder your opinions on this.
Thats interesting as a scientific journal titled "The Etruscans: A Population-Genetic Study" had the following to say about the genetics: “Only two Etruscan haplotypes (5AM and 6AM, carried by 13.7% of the individuals) occur in a sample of modern Tuscans who were selected to represent inhabitants of former Etruria (Francalacci et al. 1996). The average value in comparisons of pairs of modern European populations is 27.9% ± 12.0%, showing that the genetic resemblance between the Etruscans and their modern counterparts is much less than observed between random European populations with no special evolutionary ties. Allele sharing is higher not only with the Turks (four haplotypes in common) but also with other, presumably unrelated, populations, such as the Cornish or the Germans (five and seven haplotypes in common, respectively).” Even the Latins are described as being a subset of the Proto-Villanovan culture which arrived in Italy in the 12th Century BC..IE they didn't originate there. There were lots of migrations during this time and we have the same here in the UK..plenty of people here think the Celts were the pre roman natives here, but they weren't. They displaced the beaker folk who in turn displaced the neolithic people.
The pelasgians are the natives of Pelasgia, Hellas, Greece. The ancestors of Hellens / Greeks. the hellenopelasgian history , archeology and Homoglossy is the refutation of the Pseudo-Indo-european-theoy.
its hard to follow ur words. you speak really low. need to project with that accent being so thick. talk to us like you would your mom if she only had 10% hearing in one ear. my mom only has that much hearing left, she wants to learn this stuff, and shes 75. has no clue what youre saying. in 39 and have to have it cranked to follow well
There’s an incredible invention called hearing aids which work a treat. I’m in the UK. Not sure where you’re from but they’ve been around for a considerable time here. I also have to MASSIVELY DISAGREE. I don’t think he speaks low or has a thick accent. Maybe you find it hard to follow his words as your head is so far up your rectum that it interferes with your hearing too. I’ve heard hearing loss is genetic. Maybe you’ve not heard that. What with the issues you have. 🧏🏻♀️
@@Linsey_Alabama you must be stupid. It's the accent in the base of his voice which makes it not understandable. I can hear frequencies that most humans can't. And feel free to buy me some since you seem to think everyone's rich.
@@Linsey_Alabama and since you insist on being cunty for no reason, you can eat a whole bag, as I'm on 7.1 surround sound and it was cranked. You see, not everyone is so simple that they only watch TH-cam on the phone. People of intelligence actually have devices other than the Obama phone that allowed all the stupid people on the internet.
Decided to clarify, @auld_boy .. And no disrespect intended. Unlike your commenting audience, it appears. I was sent by Dr Hillman and very much enjoy what I could understand of it. It has to be your input audio levels, as my surround sound had to be turned wayyy down on the next video viewed. With the low speaking level your accent contains and deep voice, it became hard to follow due to the subwoofer and Dolby setup making everything sound muffled. Thank you for your work!
Your work is amazing. Once you are done with all the sources, your next step would be to connect the Pelasgians with their writing system throughout the world. Christopher Knight and Robert lomas in their book Uriels Machine expand on the Scottish professor Alexander Thome and the mathematical system which is called sacred geometry through the use of the megalithic yard and the circle which is based on 366 degrees
Thanks Simban..Ill take a look at it and see what I can find. Interesting basing the circle on 366 degrees. It was always curious to me how the length of a year wasnt quite in harmony with a fully circular motion. Ill have to take a look..it sounds really interesting. Thanks for the info and for taking the time to watch.
@@auld_boy yes sorry about the Google talk typos I corrected them. If we were to count the sun rises throughout the year there would be 366. Expanding on this Christopher Knight and Robert lomas worked out the mathematics. And using the megalithic yard discovered by professor Alexander Thome they came to a harmonious conclusion.
Great production quality. Always appreciate the hard work you put into sharing this info.
U deserve way more subs!
Thank you so much! Im pleased you liked the production..it took a long time to put together so thank you.
I appreciate your time!
The plot thickens! Keep leading us further into the cave. Interesting thing for me is that my last name is a cognate with Pyrgos (probably also Pyrgi).
Wonderfully done.
Thank you Nancy, that means a lot!
Well done - another brilliant video - so good that you found those threads between the Etruscan and Palasgian
thank you Shé, Im pleased you enjoyed it. Its taken hours to piece these last three episodes together but Im happy with how it turned out. Thanks for watching and for all the support!
@@auld_boy yes I can certainly see the effort in the research you knew it was there and you found it - good on you
OMG listening with my ear buds...EPIC!! The music and your voice; oistromania oh my 💜💜💜✨️💜✨️ So beautifully done, Auld boy!!
Thank you Lady Bee, Im pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for your time!
Just had a read through the comments, I see how often you replied, lot of time taken before and after production, don't know if you will be able to keep that up as your channel's popularity increases, but kudos to you, a Q and A session where subscribers can ask questions in advance might save you some time 😊
Thanks for doing this series. Great job ❤
Powerful work my brother!! 🐉💪
The most extensive research I've found regarding this subject is Dylan Saccoccio's Spirit Whirled book series and recent research. You two would be a heavy duty tag team for a stream talking all things Ancient and philology.
Thank you Polymathing. Ill have a look for him, cheers for the heads up!
Those dwellings are so well crafted. Its amazing we lost such skills.
Yes, they are so cleanly cut out of the stone, I was very surprised! Id love to be able to go back in time and see how they were living!
Very nice sounding accent of the narrator.
Thank you kindly!
Thanks Auld boy love your work
Thank you Rowie! I appreciate you watching!
Great video, that was some of the best footage of the Etruscan tombs I’ve seen also. With the music in the background, just perfect!
I’m of the opinion that every time people have settled/colonized new lands, they’ve changed, so it does not surprise me about the confusion about the Tyrrheno-Pelasgians, who would be no different here. It would make sense that you had a prior Tyrrhenian culture mixing with the incoming Pelasgians and making something new, just like the people who later became the Greeks. While not a 1 for 1 comparison, I think an interesting foil to study would be the early European competition between the English, French, Dutch and Swedish for North America (The influence of the Basque Whalers and Breton Fisherman along the Atlantic coast in the 1500’s also should not be ignored.)
Sweden is a very interesting case. Despite their preeminent power in Europe, they did not provide much support to their overseas colonies (due to their military focus on the continent) and ultimately lost New Sweden to the Dutch. (Who ultimately lost it all to the English.) Those early Swedish colonies are not thought about much, but they exported their Log Home construction to the Americas. The English colonists later adopted that specific style of construction for their own frontier construction (where many of the Swedes had retreated to when the Dutch took over New Sweden) which then caused log cabins to spread all over the continent and become “American Log Cabins”.
Hey DBC! Im pleased you liked the package..these last three episodes took a lot of work so Im pleased you enjoyed it.
Yes Im 100 percent with you there...it seems to me like we have a migrating group of pastoralists who are coming into contact with pockets of agriculturalists. Over time they become their own distinct group. Ive seen other people discussing the differences between these early groups..some following a matriarchy and others a patriarchy. I wonder if this is due to Pastoralists applying a caste system over their conquered lands..the king being the God and so on..whereas the agriculturalists had nature rites which were based on certain times of the year (planting, harvesting in tune with nature and so on). The quote from Aristotle in the last video really seemed to solidify this for me!
Thanks for watching and for giving some food for thought! I appreciate it.
@@auld_boy I am with you about the pastoralists 100%!
This is where I am at. Like usual, these are just speculations, and I am probably oversimplifying and/or wrong about a lot of it!
1. Prior to Agriculture, I believe there was really one Afro-Eurasian nomadic pastoral world, reliant on the migration patterns of herd animals such as Reindeer, Deer, Gazelle, etc. Through the use of structures like desert kites to trap herds, which were used as mobile food stores, essentially making herds semi-domesticated. (No animal husbandry at this point, just a spectrum of “animal control” from following herds much like the Sioux Indians on one end, to practically domesticated, (minus husbandry) like how certain Siberian tribes managed wild reindeer herds up to the 1800’s.) I am a strong believer that politics, not geography (with a few special exceptions), is what limits human travel. Neolithic pastoralists were very well connected across the Eurasian steppe due to their nomadic nature and lack of borders. They probably used skinboat sleighs pulled by dogs/reindeer to travel around. It is worth noting that Saka and Nart have associations with skiing/skating from Scandinavia to Persia. Pottery is also suggestive of a connected Eurasian Neolithic world with the similarities in Comb Ceramic pottery from the Jeulmun Korean pottery to the Pit-Comb and Corded Ware pottery styles (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_Ceramic is worth reading) I suggest studying the pots. Cord wrap markings near the top, and “mountain” comb marks around the body of the pot. I personally call it “The Sky and the Mountains” pattern.
2. Agriculture, along with desertification from the end of the African Humid period, splits this nomadic-pastoral world into two camps. A. Eurasian Steppe B. North Africa-Arabia-Indian Ocean Maritime Pastoral complex. Full animal domestication only occurs with animal husbandry with the rise of agriculture, a final “cap” to the much older semi-domestication of herds process, once certain outlier groups settle down and start plotting out their first farm fields. I think it’s important to recognize that farmers are the weird ones in this pastoral world. This agricultural practice I believe was also religious in nature, and the cult of agriculture spread rapidly. Agriculture itself and all of its trappings was the mystery of its time. You either went through the proper rituals to domesticate plants and the land consistently, or you were at the whim of the Gods. (I will not get into all my reasons for this now, as it will be part of my first youtube video. If you are curious for a teaser, I think there are some interesting modern clues with the Kirat people in Nepal, who practice a form of Shamanism called Kirat Mundham, specifically their festivals of Udhauli (Migration phase downward), and Ubhauli (Migration phase upward). For a little modern anthropology:
Kirat Maypole type Ceremony th-cam.com/video/wS-0My_ixT0/w-d-xo.html
Korean Maypole type Ceremony th-cam.com/video/ilREFrZAReY/w-d-xo.html
Galician Portuguese Maypole Ceremony th-cam.com/video/zZImI3p4e08/w-d-xo.html
3. I personally believe the Indian Ocean from Southeast Asia to the Horn of Africa was bustling with traffic in the Neolithic during the Ubaid period, probably even earlier. A Seafaring Pastoral Khanate world of cows and mead if you will. This influence through the rise of Egypt makes it into the Mediterranean. (which was bustling in it’s own way, as we see with the Sardinian Monte Arci obsidian trade in the Neolithic)
It is getting late here, so maybe I will add another comment at another time! Sorry to end it abruptly.
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My guess is they were often conflated due to close interactions/associations, but were nonetheless unrelated.
Interestingly enough the Aborigines (basically the proto-Latins) were thought to be close kin to the Pelasgians which is supposedly why they were quick to ally themselves against the Siculi dwelling in Latium around 1400 BC. I'd speculate that this kinship is based on them being separate but related Proto-Tyrhennian tribes who went on to settle in Latium and adopt the language of the Siculi and like-tribes of the region speaking Latino-Faliscan languages. Some of them were driven out but some certainly remained, and mixing with the Aborigines became what we know as the Latins.
I get a similar sense, but I think there may be relations. From the information, I am gathering that these nomadic pastoralist groups were moving around and settling in areas where they were coming into contact with agriculturists. After mixing with them, they would become their own distinct group over time. I think this is also why were have the stories of two opposing factions in various mythologies such as Olympians VS Giants (Authochthones) in the Greek Sphere, Devas VS Asuras in the Hundu, and the Aesir VS the Jotunn in the Norse. Thanks for watching and for giving some food for thought!
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As wiki notes, "the Greeks always called the Etruscans Tyrsenoi (or Turrhenoi, Tursenoi, Tursanoi), although not all Tyrsenians were Etruscans." Wiki also notes this name is not Greek, and is tied, they think, to tursis, meaning tower, though this is a word believed to be borrowed into Greek. (There are towers from this time period, but they are associated more with the Sardinians, and they use words with a "nur" root, not "tur" for describing them.) Another interpretation is to see turrhenoi as referring to "crossers," derived from a PIE root trh, meaning "to cross."
The Lemnos stele stele of c. 500 BC is thought to be inscribed with a language similar to that of Etruscan, leading some to wonder if aspects of Etruscan language or alphabet are more accurately labeled Tyrrhenian, and to what extent there might be an Anatolian influence.
Wiki notes that Hesiod, a c. 700 BC poet, describes the Tyrrhenians living in central Italy along with the Latins. The Latins are an IE speaking tribe (meaning they formed after 2500 BC), located in Latium, a region thought to originate near Mons Albanus, which is near Rome. The Latins probably arrived there around 1200 BC, with the establishment of widespread agricultural development characteristic of later Rome by 1000 BC. The Tyrrhenians might likewise have arrived around 1200 BC, as that was the age of the Sea Peoples, and the Tyrrhenians are thought to be one of these "viking like" sea raider people who plagued the Mediterranean in that era. If so, they are recorded in Egypt as the Teresh (Taurus). Other tribes in the Sea Peoples list are: Lukka (thought to be Lycians), Karkiya (Caria?), Peleset (Philistines), Shekelesh (Sicilians), Sherden (Sardinians), Weshesh (Osci? Issus?), Denyen (Danaoi), and Ekwesh (Achaea / Ahhiyawa, though it sounds to me more like equus).
They say the earliest evidence of an Etruscan civilization comes from 900 BC, so while the Etruscans are more like PIE speakers (indicating they branched off before 2500 BC), they might have also arrived in Italy around that 1200 BC era. It is thought they came from the northwest, from the Alps, and they called themselves the Rasenna (Etruscan "rasna" meaning "the people"). Other tribes of the north are called Raeti. The root "ray" in PIE implies a line or lineage, and is found in words like ray, race, trace, track, and royal, and it could be that the Etruscans and Raeti are using this word to refer to their ancestors (the family lineage), if they are indeed PIE speakers.
It seems possible that "tyr-rhenian" could be a compound word used to describe the joining of a Teresh / Tursenoi and Rae-ti people.
An alternative take on the root of tursenoi, from me, would be related to taurus, which I believe may have its root the same as English tow, as oxen were used as cart-pulling animals. The Scythian type people, for example, used ox-drawn carts. All manner of animals were used as draft animals or towers, like dogs, reindeer, and so on, but for a long time oxen were used, probably by cow-centric communities, and such existed in southern Italy.
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Look at Etruscan cities and the "tower" reference makes sense: Their cities are almost exclusively located on top of steep hills towering over the landscape and have impressive sets of walls. Also the Raetians of the Alps are a fundamentally different people to the Rasna, where the later built magnificent cities, had complex religious customs and elaborate temples and often got accused of hedonistic pursuits the former were little more than tribal mountain dwellers eaking out a megre existence in an inhospitable backwater leaving behind little to nothing of note and whose only economic means consisted of guiding travellers across the mountains, small time subsistence farming and, as soon as they fell under Roman rule, military service to a disproportionally huge degree.
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Great stuff and super detailed.
Still, I think the textual sources are mentioning one same location (Tuscany more or less) and not the same people (Pelasgian and Etruscans)
There are Cyclopean/Pelasgian walls in Tuscany (Dyonasius of Helicarnasus mentions Santa Severa) but these works are not the type the Etruscans would do.
I do have a theory for that: th-cam.com/video/A0I6Nl6sfr8/w-d-xo.html
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My comment on another video about the cuccitani trypollia sp* culture and potential feminine centralized control made the video I’m gonna try posting bellow relevant. It’s Dan Davis History channel on The world’s first money is older than you think. It’s about copper from across Europe from the Bronze Age mostly and when evaluated together they seem to represent standardized unit’s in weight. Fascinating stuff to add to our world history.
th-cam.com/video/EZ2PS5S6w1c/w-d-xo.htmlsi=y_Z4IJ3IWQ_VxXLU
Dan Davis History channel: The World’s First Money is Older Than You Think
@@kariannecrysler640 that’s super interesting Kari, as I’ve just been reading a paper on the pelasgians..and at one of the suspected sites they found small, bronze spear heads..to small for use and not made for practical use. They believe they were used as currency! So thanks for this I’ll definitely have a look for the Dan Davis video! Cheers Kari 🍷
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Excellent work, I have long wanted to understand who the Etruscans were, I will have to watch your series now. I wonder if these were the people who went on to become the Venetians who enslaved the world?
The Italians organized an exhibition dedicated to the Etruscan civilization in Georgia and they themselves say that the Etruscans are people related to the Colchis and are very similar to us, here is the video
th-cam.com/video/cDAPTaeq4ho/w-d-xo.html
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Thanks, hmm, all places with polygonal stone platforms.
Yes indeed they have! Im sure one of the sources I came across said that the Pelasgians helped the Athenians build their wall which also got me thinking of the polygonal stonework. Cheers for watching.
@@auld_boy I have read this too, the Athenians rewarded the Pelasgians with the worst bit of swampy land, the Pelasgians transformed it into a productive area better than the Athenians had so the Athenians drove them away and took it.
@@SuperRobinjames yes that’s the quote, I came across it in my research. I may have included a cut down version of the source in a previous video actually. It became increasingly apparent when I was looking at these sites that they all had these old foundations. I’ll have to do an episode on it down the line!
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The thing that sucks is the general consensus among historians is that the Greeks were full of crap saying Etruscans came from Lydia. They also say that it doesn't really narrow anything down, because Greeks sometimes referred to almost everywhere in that general direction as Lydia.
Also, interestingly enough, the Etruscans didn't bring written language to the Italian peninsula. Apparently, the Atestines who are a few centuries older & live northeast of them were the first people in the region with a written language. They likely weren't all that closely related to the Etruscans, either.
Problem is the Greeks loved _aition_ and basically made up stories about all people they encountered (and themselves) and the most common is simply "In the land of Y something bad happened so X arose as a leader and led all/half/some of his people through a long and ardeous journey guided by (insert your favourite diety) to a new land they called X-ia and thus we now know those men as X-ians." It has been proven to be utter BS 9 out of 10 times. Mythical founders are just that, myths to retroactively tie yourself to a great ancestoral civilisation or hero and to discredit someone else by tracing their lineage to an old enemy.
Interesting how the Lemnian stele is generally accepted to be a Tyrsenian language, which is thought to be related to Etruscan and Raetic!
@@auld_boy The thing about the Lemnian stele is that it is more likely that it's a relic from a culture influenced by an Etruscan tradeport (kind of in the same way the Ionian Islands still bear monuments inscribed in _Veneto de Mar.)_ given how we know the indigenous Lemnians were a Thracian people. What makes the Tyrsenian Languages especially tricky is that we don't have a lot of Etruscan literature to begin with (about 12'000 texts who are to a large degree just short inscriptions) and virtually none in Raetic (300ish short inscriptions) or Lemnian (literally just two texts and a bunch of tiny fragments).
@@auld_boyThe language family is proposed & several people support it in the linguistics community, though the Greeks also referred to the Lemnians as Thracians. They've never found any archaeological evidence supporting a move in that direction & history doesn't add up. We don't have much of a match between known Etruscan gods & Turkish ones, either. If it was me, I would rather assume that, maybe, the Etruscans & Reitians were an isolated pocket of Thracian people who got separated from them thousands of years ago & whose culture developed in a 100% completely different direction, but mostly kept the language. You might even be able to argue that the words Etrusci & Thraki are distantly related. But, I don't know if there is much of any support in assuming the Lemnian Stele contains a Thracian language. I'm interested in the subject, but am also a beginner here.
Interesting ! Because ‘everything inside me‘ has begun a series about a german book stating that the roman empire is not real but an attempt to explain evidence of a unified culture - and that the pelasgians are implicated ...
@@dougrennpferd904 I’m pleased you found the video and thought it was interesting. From my research..which is built on the foundations of others..seems to indicate there were similar mystery rites being practiced by all these people. It seems like when Christianity became the official religion of Rome (and its build up) is when this seemed to change. It was polytheism in all of these places which later became dominated by monism. If you are interested, I have sources in the previous video which state that the Roman Lupercalia festival and Satrunalia were introduced by the pelasgians 👌
I am interested in finding my lineage i dont know much. Id like to know were my family originated in Europe. Since i live in America and my last name means " new man" it could be Scandinavia or German. It would be cool in my opinion to know if there are distant relatives in Europe. And maybe where or what kingdom was my family ruled under and how we got to America.
I think Ancestry lets you create family trees and such and connect with people who you share genetics with in order to help piece the tree together. It might be worth while having a look into it. Good luck with your search, I hope you find the answers you are looking for!
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Albania's capital's is named as Tirana. The link between us today, the Ilyrians and the Pelazgians is established by international and national albanologers. Perhaps there's also a link between the name Tyhrrene and Tirana. Seems to me undubitable.
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was watching this was quite interesting thought i'd share Trojan Kings of Britain - The REAL History of Ancient England w/ Caleb Howells
It could be coincidental but:
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See the similiarity Ελλας Ellas is what the Greeks call Greece
I think the Egyptians mention the sea peoples as Peleset which is most likely referring to Pelasgians
Thanks for watching and for giving some food for thought! Cheers!
Great content. Your voice, accent and pronunciation is brilliant. The music is a bit loud. I want to hear you, not a psychological trick to dull my mood as is popular in videos with no real content. Nice work though! Great scholarship!!!
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cool beans man... you yourself are intelligent and insightful, but as you draw from primary texts and physical evidence etc, your episodes cannot help but be interesting to me.
Cheers Wretch, that means a lot! Im pleased you are enjoying the videos. These took ages to piece together as there were so many sources to sift through. Thanks for your time mate :)
I have a question. Are the greeks and Italians phoenicians. Is that what this breaks down to? A more detailed breakdown of the story? Also, did the greeks use the phoenician alphabet?
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@@nezperce2767 was hoping for an explanation as to why or why not. Just want to learn.
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The Phoenicians started colonization and trade after the fall of the Mycenaean civilization in 1150 BC.
And the Phoenicians had no alphabet but an abjad (consonantal without vowels) used across the Mediterranean civilization of Phoenicia for most of the 1st millennium BC.
The Greeks, who until then had syllabic writing, may have taken the idea of the letter, (but it is not commonly accepted) and added the vowels.
@@Machine9000 phoenicians wete of scemitic origin.
At around 2100 BCE, some Phoenicians (to whom DNA haplotype J1 originates) moved from the Middle East to Greece and mixed with the local population who where the people whee haplotype G2 originated. About 100 years later people from Anatolia who where the people where R1b originated, passed through Greece and some mixed with the locals while others kept traveling westwards and inhabited western Europe.
The average Mycenaean and Minoan of the Bronze Age had about 50 to 60% the haplotype G2, 30% to 20% of J1, and 20% to 10% R1b. This was proven by a study that took DNA samples from the bones and teeth of prehistoric inhabitants of Greece, and compared it to the DNA of other populations. The study was published at 2017 at Nature magazine, by Laskaridis et al.
The migrations the study found correspond to stories of migration from Greek mythology. The J1 addition to the genome corresponds to the migration and settlement of Cadmus, and the addition of R1b corresponds to the coming of Dionysos to Greece from the east, accompanied by the Maenads who where of Phrygian (Indoeuropean redheads) and Lydian origin.
Also interesting is the discovery that the Mycenaeans and the Minoans where genetically the same people, with the main difference being that Crete (Minoans) was initially inhabited by the J1 Phoenicians and had migrations of G2 and R1b later on, while mainland Greece (Mycenaeans) was originally inhabited by G2 and received migrations of J1 and R1b.
In both cases the populations traveled back and forth and mixed, and the result was a population with mixed ancestry of local European Neolithic farmers, Middle Eastern Canaanites, and Anatolian Indoeuropeans.
Algonquin Indians have a tale of Glooskap who raided the Mediterranean as sea peoples, maybe the Glauccidae.
Also a good video by Mind Unveiled about the Origins of Irish Civilisation and this one
th-cam.com/video/wBxA9BJFlqk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wDIvM8_YKQU90ymu
Also the videos of Michael Tsarion.
I wonder your opinions on this.
And if we look for the people still speaking their language we might find them kicking and alive today
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They (we) were a local italian population, this has been proven by DNA tests. Legends are cool anyways.
Thats interesting as a scientific journal titled "The Etruscans: A Population-Genetic Study" had the following to say about the genetics:
“Only two Etruscan haplotypes (5AM and 6AM, carried by 13.7% of the individuals) occur in a sample of modern Tuscans who were selected to represent inhabitants of former Etruria (Francalacci et al. 1996). The average value in comparisons of pairs of modern European populations is 27.9% ± 12.0%, showing that the genetic resemblance between the Etruscans and their modern counterparts is much less than observed between random European populations with no special evolutionary ties. Allele sharing is higher not only with the Turks (four haplotypes in common) but also with other, presumably unrelated, populations, such as the Cornish or the Germans (five and seven haplotypes in common, respectively).”
Even the Latins are described as being a subset of the Proto-Villanovan culture which arrived in Italy in the 12th Century BC..IE they didn't originate there. There were lots of migrations during this time and we have the same here in the UK..plenty of people here think the Celts were the pre roman natives here, but they weren't. They displaced the beaker folk who in turn displaced the neolithic people.
The pelasgians are the natives of Pelasgia, Hellas, Greece. The ancestors of Hellens / Greeks. the hellenopelasgian history , archeology and Homoglossy is the refutation of the Pseudo-Indo-european-theoy.
its hard to follow ur words. you speak really low. need to project with that accent being so thick. talk to us like you would your mom if she only had 10% hearing in one ear. my mom only has that much hearing left, she wants to learn this stuff, and shes 75. has no clue what youre saying. in 39 and have to have it cranked to follow well
There’s an incredible invention called hearing aids which work a treat. I’m in the UK. Not sure where you’re from but they’ve been around for a considerable time here.
I also have to MASSIVELY DISAGREE. I don’t think he speaks low or has a thick accent. Maybe you find it hard to follow his words as your head is so far up your rectum that it interferes with your hearing too.
I’ve heard hearing loss is genetic. Maybe you’ve not heard that. What with the issues you have. 🧏🏻♀️
@@Linsey_Alabama you must be stupid. It's the accent in the base of his voice which makes it not understandable. I can hear frequencies that most humans can't. And feel free to buy me some since you seem to think everyone's rich.
@@Linsey_Alabama and since you insist on being cunty for no reason, you can eat a whole bag, as I'm on 7.1 surround sound and it was cranked. You see, not everyone is so simple that they only watch TH-cam on the phone. People of intelligence actually have devices other than the Obama phone that allowed all the stupid people on the internet.
Decided to clarify, @auld_boy .. And no disrespect intended. Unlike your commenting audience, it appears. I was sent by Dr Hillman and very much enjoy what I could understand of it. It has to be your input audio levels, as my surround sound had to be turned wayyy down on the next video viewed. With the low speaking level your accent contains and deep voice, it became hard to follow due to the subwoofer and Dolby setup making everything sound muffled. Thank you for your work!
@@Linsey_Alabama being in the UK you hear that accent all the time anyway so you wouldn't know what thick meant, aside from your physical attributes