As an owner of a 2019 Superlight, with added parts for less weight, I admit it functions fine and efficient, in the original Brompton version (I can't tell about the many clones, made from the original bike?). It is a tool for Special Uses and not at all an ordinary bike in any way, with the small, heavy rolling wheels!! I have seen an Italian made, extra hanger with two extra Brompton wheels and a sadle for a grown person, but it seems to be single built?
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Thanks for the reply. What you mentioned indeed sounds like a unique build to me. I am in the middle of the double front wheel Brompton project. One of my friends is having difficulties riding a 2-wheel bike. So I wanted to build something for him to ride on.
I think there are several clone brands that are very similar. I recently purchased a tri-fold Litepro (6-speed M-style) - the price was $570 USD with free shipping (Ali Express). However, I opted for express handling for $100 USD extra hoping that this would reduce excess rough handling with shipping. The bike arrived in perfect condition. The 3-speed Sturmey-Archer hub gears worked fine. The 2-speed derailleur required some adjustment. They now use a different type of frame clamp - a circular end with a spring that fits into a corresponding impression to lock - no more loose clamp. So far the changes I've made: saddle changed for a Velo, 520 mm seat-post changed to 530 mm with option to move seat further back for more comfortable leg position. That's it so far. Can't compare it to Brompton since I've never ridden one.
Do you have a link to the bike you purchased or the name of the store on AliExpress? I can only find 3sixty and they're very expensive with about $300 for shipping!.
I really appreciate the public service you have provided by reviewing new bikes like the Mobot trifold. I have gone through your findings several times as research into my own purchase of a folding bike. In fact, I just returned from a shopping trip to Singapore during which I spend 3 days test riding a number of Mobot and Brompton folding bikes. Let me offer my opinions: As you have noted, the two bikes are remarkably similar. But I found the Royale 9-speed (GT M9) had a bit of a flimsy feel. The shifters and breaks in particular did not feel like they would survive much wear and tear. The Brompton 6 speed had a much more solid ride and components. The Royale 10-speed (EX M10) felt much sturdier, with Shimano parts. I also preferred the the shifting system (no internal hub) and the broader range of gear ratios. The Royale 10 speed with upgraded components was also forty percent less expensive, which is a huge issue given the cost of the Brompton. As noted by others, the Mobot folding mechanism tends to come undone to the point were I may get a strap to hold it together on buses and trains. Like the Brompton, the seat post is not long enough for my 183 cm, but fortunately the Brompton teloscoping seat post extender will fit the Mobot (but it will set you back another S$150). I would have had to buy that for the Brompton regardless.
Further thoughts after having spent a month riding my Mobot Royale EX M10: The bike rides well-solid and smooth. I added a handlebar bridge for a phone mount and upgraded the Schwalbe tires from slicks to a touring tire. Although unlike the Brompton, Mobot does not come with toolkit, Mobot sells one that fits into the frame of the bike. I do not like the pedals, however, which are much smaller than standard pedals (I have UK size 10 feet, which are not particularly large). The rear rack, which is standard unlike the Brompton) comes with telescoping wheels for stability. Fantastic. But due to the strange triangular shape it cannot accommodate the VincIta Nash Bag (which has a wonderful mechanism to quickly and solidify the bag).
I had seen some riders using those short fenders on the Brompton too..... I guess it's for the look only. Thanks for spending time on the video, anyway.
@@Petrellionwheels actually Royale has a fish tail add on to the fender to mitigate this issue. Likely option not extended to yourself then. On the other hand, Brompton has a longer fender then Royale and mitigated the upsplash of water/remannt by design. My current ride is a Brompton P line.
@Stephen Ong thanks for your input. I guess there are always way to work things around. Anyway, not sure if you have watch my recent chatting with riders video. May I invite you to film one of them?
l got the Royale GTM9 for almost a year plus now. Recently, l got myself injured by an accident but the bike still on perfect condition. l love its colour combination of Rose Red with Gold Parts. It is almost like an Iron Man Bike.
I changed a few things on my Royale. They are a follows. 1. Suspension; 2. Crank-Sprocket to 53t; 3. Chain; 4. Seat post (I am 1.8m tall); 5. Pedals; 8. Saddle (seat). I also added a bridge on my M-type handle bar so that I can mount my phone and camera. And I added the extension on the east-wheels so that the bike cab stand when I fold it.
@@Petrellionwheels 1.6 to be exact, I 1.7 and has to exceed the limit by almost 2inch to avoid stressing the knee. Just to add, the shorter seatpost is meant for smaller footprint upon fold, Brompton deafult seatpost is also at 520mm
I owned and rode a Royale for near to 2 years, over 3kkm, on a tiny island (Singapore) during covid. Mine was 3 speed on SFR3 (which I feel is good on its own without external, like a BSR on a A line).. it's a hardy and reliable bike (interestingly never experience a puncture during my ownership) and definitely a good bike to own for hybrid commuting. We have done 4X round island on top of those numerous middle distance rides without issue You are spot on with regards to the upgrade. Handlebar span/grip, saddle, longer seatpost, pedal, chainRing, suspension block, are some of the part worth upgrading for long distance rising comfort. Love the fold and have since moved on to an externally geared trifold, which is more suitable for city commuting.
Stephan, Thanks for sparing the time on the video and leaving comments for us. I am glad you enjoy your rides also. I am a big fan of the internal hub for its easy maintenance. I recently converted one of my bikes to external 6 gears, which I don't like. I shall have that covered in soon to be published video.
@@Petrellionwheels You are welcome‼️Love your spot in review on Royale too. I move to external 4 speed trifold mainly due to daily commuting to and fro work, the quicker changes between gears works better for city riding.
Petrelli, good to have you back! I don't know... even if the ride quality is similar, as a structural engineer, I see so many potential issues with this bike. Folding bikes are so demanded structurally that I'm not sure I'd risk riding in traffic with one of these. Looks great, though. Breakfast, too -- looked amazing!
Thanks for commenting and spending time with the video. This is the second one of the Brompton alike that I tried; both of them ride differently. Although they might look similar, their riding characters are totally different. As for the structural design, too bad there is no standard here to standardise the strength of the built. Yes, the breakfast was so good that I wish I could talk faster and get it started. lol
As an owner of an original, but somewhat modified 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, for now 9,35 kilo, I have a 535 mm, black titanium standard length seat post on mine, but with original mudguards. And as 184 cm tall it is too short for me, but I consider its foldability its main asset, to be put directly in my black B&W luggage box. I have ordered a little longer, black titanium post for a test (it was delivered with a 600 mm post in Scandinavia, as we are generally rather tall people!), to see if it folds inside the B&W still, without being taken apart! Finn. Denmark
You could also opt for the telescopic seat post (which came as a standard.on my P line), which allow the bike to fold into the smallest print too. I have since sold the telescopics and replaced with a 600mm titanium seatpost
@@stephenong8463 I have a black, original Brompton Telescope Post (About the same price as a Joseph Kuosac, similar post). But it is really HEAVY, so I won't use it just for travels, as I still have to separate post and sadle from the frame, to be able to use it on my bike. My bike was delivered with a 600 mm post as original in Scandinavia (?), so I had to find a solution. I also have a black 600 mm titanium post with a ring mount on top, but uses a 535 mm titanium ordinary post for now, for test. To be able to fold it in a B&W box directly.
Hi Petrelli 🖖🏼 Nice to see you again. I can’t get the selling point of this bike. It’s so much a 100% copy cat of the Original Brompton. There’s nothing genuine I can see. They only changed some or maybe all components to a cheaper version. If they would try to sell this bike in Europe the attorneys from Brompton would sue them instantly 😉
A closer copy will be the Aceoffix which literally allows one to switch parts between Brompton. It's not really possible with Royale or other BrompNOT like Pikes, 3Sixty etc.
Thanks for spending time on the video. I wish I got more details to share with you. My experience with it is limited to around 400km only. It’s keeping well so far.
Do you ride a Tri-fold bike? If so, how is it working out for you? Lets share with us.
As an owner of a 2019 Superlight, with added parts for less weight, I admit it functions fine and efficient, in the original Brompton version (I can't tell about the many clones, made from the original bike?). It is a tool for Special Uses and not at all an ordinary bike in any way, with the small, heavy rolling wheels!! I have seen an Italian made, extra hanger with two extra Brompton wheels and a sadle for a grown person, but it seems to be single built?
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Thanks for the reply. What you mentioned indeed sounds like a unique build to me. I am in the middle of the double front wheel Brompton project. One of my friends is having difficulties riding a 2-wheel bike. So I wanted to build something for him to ride on.
I think there are several clone brands that are very similar. I recently purchased a tri-fold Litepro (6-speed M-style) - the price was $570 USD with free shipping (Ali Express). However, I opted for express handling for $100 USD extra hoping that this would reduce excess rough handling with shipping. The bike arrived in perfect condition. The 3-speed Sturmey-Archer hub gears worked fine. The 2-speed derailleur required some adjustment. They now use a different type of frame clamp - a circular end with a spring that fits into a corresponding impression to lock - no more loose clamp. So far the changes I've made: saddle changed for a Velo, 520 mm seat-post changed to 530 mm with option to move seat further back for more comfortable leg position. That's it so far. Can't compare it to Brompton since I've never ridden one.
Do you have a link to the bike you purchased or the name of the store on AliExpress? I can only find 3sixty and they're very expensive with about $300 for shipping!.
I really appreciate the public service you have provided by reviewing new bikes like the Mobot trifold. I have gone through your findings several times as research into my own purchase of a folding bike. In fact, I just returned from a shopping trip to Singapore during which I spend 3 days test riding a number of Mobot and Brompton folding bikes. Let me offer my opinions: As you have noted, the two bikes are remarkably similar. But I found the Royale 9-speed (GT M9) had a bit of a flimsy feel. The shifters and breaks in particular did not feel like they would survive much wear and tear. The Brompton 6 speed had a much more solid ride and components. The Royale 10-speed (EX M10) felt much sturdier, with Shimano parts. I also preferred the the shifting system (no internal hub) and the broader range of gear ratios. The Royale 10 speed with upgraded components was also forty percent less expensive, which is a huge issue given the cost of the Brompton. As noted by others, the Mobot folding mechanism tends to come undone to the point were I may get a strap to hold it together on buses and trains. Like the Brompton, the seat post is not long enough for my 183 cm, but fortunately the Brompton teloscoping seat post extender will fit the Mobot (but it will set you back another S$150). I would have had to buy that for the Brompton regardless.
Further thoughts after having spent a month riding my Mobot Royale EX M10: The bike rides well-solid and smooth. I added a handlebar bridge for a phone mount and upgraded the Schwalbe tires from slicks to a touring tire. Although unlike the Brompton, Mobot does not come with toolkit, Mobot sells one that fits into the frame of the bike. I do not like the pedals, however, which are much smaller than standard pedals (I have UK size 10 feet, which are not particularly large). The rear rack, which is standard unlike the Brompton) comes with telescoping wheels for stability. Fantastic. But due to the strange triangular shape it cannot accommodate the VincIta Nash Bag (which has a wonderful mechanism to quickly and solidify the bag).
The back fender issue you mention is real. I experienced that and it really prevents me from riding when the floor is wet.
I had seen some riders using those short fenders on the Brompton too..... I guess it's for the look only. Thanks for spending time on the video, anyway.
@@Petrellionwheels actually Royale has a fish tail add on to the fender to mitigate this issue. Likely option not extended to yourself then.
On the other hand, Brompton has a longer fender then Royale and mitigated the upsplash of water/remannt by design.
My current ride is a Brompton P line.
@Stephen Ong thanks for your input. I guess there are always way to work things around. Anyway, not sure if you have watch my recent chatting with riders video. May I invite you to film one of them?
@@Petrellionwheels Yeah it works if u are riding slowly. Some people sell a 3D-printed extender for the fender. But, it makes it look less slick haha!
l got the Royale GTM9 for almost a year plus now. Recently, l got myself injured by an accident but the bike still on perfect condition. l love its colour combination of Rose Red with Gold Parts. It is almost like an Iron Man Bike.
Sounds like you are enjoying your bike bro. I say as long as you are enjoying it. That’s gold already. Have a good one and keep riding.
I changed a few things on my Royale. They are a follows.
1. Suspension;
2. Crank-Sprocket to 53t;
3. Chain;
4. Seat post (I am 1.8m tall);
5. Pedals;
8. Saddle (seat).
I also added a bridge on my M-type handle bar so that I can mount my phone and camera. And I added the extension on the east-wheels so that the bike cab stand when I fold it.
Lovely items that you added to your bike. I am guessing the stock Seatpost was for maybe someone max at 170cm in height.
@@Petrellionwheels 1.6 to be exact, I 1.7 and has to exceed the limit by almost 2inch to avoid stressing the knee.
Just to add, the shorter seatpost is meant for smaller footprint upon fold, Brompton deafult seatpost is also at 520mm
I owned and rode a Royale for near to 2 years, over 3kkm, on a tiny island (Singapore) during covid.
Mine was 3 speed on SFR3 (which I feel is good on its own without external, like a BSR on a A line).. it's a hardy and reliable bike (interestingly never experience a puncture during my ownership) and definitely a good bike to own for hybrid commuting. We have done 4X round island on top of those numerous middle distance rides without issue
You are spot on with regards to the upgrade. Handlebar span/grip, saddle, longer seatpost, pedal, chainRing, suspension block, are some of the part worth upgrading for long distance rising comfort.
Love the fold and have since moved on to an externally geared trifold, which is more suitable for city commuting.
Stephan, Thanks for sparing the time on the video and leaving comments for us. I am glad you enjoy your rides also. I am a big fan of the internal hub for its easy maintenance. I recently converted one of my bikes to external 6 gears, which I don't like. I shall have that covered in soon to be published video.
@@Petrellionwheels You are welcome‼️Love your spot in review on Royale too.
I move to external 4 speed trifold mainly due to daily commuting to and fro work, the quicker changes between gears works better for city riding.
Petrelli, good to have you back!
I don't know... even if the ride quality is similar, as a structural engineer, I see so many potential issues with this bike. Folding bikes are so demanded structurally that I'm not sure I'd risk riding in traffic with one of these. Looks great, though. Breakfast, too -- looked amazing!
Thanks for commenting and spending time with the video. This is the second one of the Brompton alike that I tried; both of them ride differently. Although they might look similar, their riding characters are totally different. As for the structural design, too bad there is no standard here to standardise the strength of the built. Yes, the breakfast was so good that I wish I could talk faster and get it started. lol
Just discovered your channel and I'm loving it man
As an owner of an original, but somewhat modified 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton, for now 9,35 kilo, I have a 535 mm, black titanium standard length seat post on mine, but with original mudguards. And as 184 cm tall it is too short for me, but I consider its foldability its main asset, to be put directly in my black B&W luggage box. I have ordered a little longer, black titanium post for a test (it was delivered with a 600 mm post in Scandinavia, as we are generally rather tall people!), to see if it folds inside the B&W still, without being taken apart! Finn. Denmark
You could also opt for the telescopic seat post (which came as a standard.on my P line), which allow the bike to fold into the smallest print too.
I have since sold the telescopics and replaced with a 600mm titanium seatpost
@@stephenong8463 I have a black, original Brompton Telescope Post (About the same price as a Joseph Kuosac, similar post). But it is really HEAVY, so I won't use it just for travels, as I still have to separate post and sadle from the frame, to be able to use it on my bike. My bike was delivered with a 600 mm post as original in Scandinavia (?), so I had to find a solution. I also have a black 600 mm titanium post with a ring mount on top, but uses a 535 mm titanium ordinary post for now, for test. To be able to fold it in a B&W box directly.
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 indeed, very reason why I sold it and change to a titanium extended seatpost
How does the gear range compare with the Brompton 6-speed?
6 speed Brompton on BWR - 302% gear range
6 speed Royale on SFR3 - 218% gear range
@@stephenong8463 That's quite a loss. Maybe changing both external gears (sprockets) might give it a better range?
@LLF1234 no diff. External gears are only managing within the range of respective internal hub.
BWR range is 64% 100% 154%
SFR3 is 75% 100% 133%
Hi Petrelli 🖖🏼 Nice to see you again. I can’t get the selling point of this bike. It’s so much a 100% copy cat of the Original Brompton. There’s nothing genuine I can see. They only changed some or maybe all components to a cheaper version. If they would try to sell this bike in Europe the attorneys from Brompton would sue them instantly 😉
A closer copy will be the Aceoffix which literally allows one to switch parts between Brompton.
It's not really possible with Royale or other BrompNOT like Pikes, 3Sixty etc.
"Those who follow in the footsteps, will never come first"! But they may make interesting parts from that?
nice bike you have there,
I'm curious how the bike is made before deciding to get one. It needs to perform on distance.
Thanks for spending time on the video. I wish I got more details to share with you. My experience with it is limited to around 400km only. It’s keeping well so far.
I have close to 4kkm under this bikes with 4x round island (Singapore). Hardy and fuss free bike
Gotcha!!
ODI grips is pretty slippery when wet.
Welcome to DownUnder Mate!
Thanks for spending time at the video mate. Riding at the Downunder is seriously fun too.
@@Petrellionwheels Mate, are you permanently in Sunny Brissy Australia?
@@phungmoe2302 Yes.... only if I am not traveling anyway. Are you in the area as well?
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same as pikes and rebrand as their brand
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you need to spend around 1500-2400 sgd for this bike.. i rather buy the Brompton with that kind of range cost.. nice Video anyway!
I heard you and thanks for spending time at the video mate.
Its nowhere near the price that you mentioned
I think, It's going for 700ish currently