I think WX is still human, but he's in denial. He makes sure to never mention anything related to his past (principally from when he was human) and appreciates all things mechanical so well as automatons (which goes to explain his interaction with certain building stations). The main reason WX-78 broke that heart could be because it contained important imputs made by Wagstaff in order to turn him into a loyal robot servant, and although ever since he turned into a robot he accepted the mechanical body as his new self, part of the humanity that remained within him would fight against Wagstaff's imputs, because a core part of being human is the ability to have free-will in choices rather than being a slave to animalistic instincts and technological codings. Because of that, he grew hatred for Wagstaff, that desired to use him only as a tool (as seen by his quotes questioning if he really needed to help Wagstaff in the lunar tasks). And that's where the denial enters, he wanted to forget about his humanity due to possibly bad memories as an assistant for Wagstaff (like how the protagonist of Amnesia: The Dark Descent forcefully made himself forget about things he deeply regretted while making sure to keep his hatred for Alexander) and therefor wanted to start anew as a new identity in order to repress those memories (Surprisingly enough, an example of that can be seen between Sunny and Omori). And what makes me think about the Human WX-78 theory is not only because of the whole "WX-78 has a ghost form after dying", although that is also a valid point. I believe in this theory mainly because of certain examination quotes where I can just feel bits of his humanity leak in situations where his repression isn't enough to take over. That principally occurs in scenarios that bring core memories (Examining Wagstaff related stuff) about his human self. Another example can be reactions that are considered natural human instincts, like the fear of death (Similarly to what a person said in the comments, WX-78 fear the water because it can be harmful to him, that is indicated by examining Whirlpools and Boat Planks). A machine wouldn't be this afraid of dying, because it doesn't know what death is. In the end, for a "soulless automaton", all I see is a metal robot infused with the mind of a person with severe identity crisis, because even if he tries his best to not be human, the very animated short proves (by showing the Human WX flicker on the mirror that the Robot WX is looking) that wanting or not, his human self is still there, even if in the deepest parts of his conscience.
This is a pretty good breakdown of his character. I always figured he developed something like dissociative personality disorder and body dysmorphia from his mind transference, something which got worse over time and knowing Wagstaff he and WX most likely didn’t consider any harmful effects in the long term. but when it started becoming problematic he did show concern for his partner, of course this doesn’t excuse Wag from doing what he did but then again WX probably tried to hide it and we can see in the short it led to a particularly heated argument. As for WX’s dislike towards anything organic is probably a result from it being consumed by his machine identity and it helps further separate itself from what he once was, abandoning his humanity, his compassion, just a cold sad “soulless” machine.
They.. see us? Oh no, oh no! This is catastrophical, their voices speak to me from the walls. Tall like trees they want me to enter the woods to relive that tragedy once more.
i think that wx chose to be the way they are, not because of any illness or disability but pure fascination and excitement on the topic, but now regrets the fact that they arent wholly them anymore, and resents wagstaff for not stopping them.
I meant survivor ghosts, not "regular" ghosts, I guess I should have mentioned that! (The only reason im skeptical of it is that we haven't seen any survivor ghosts in animated shorts or references, only respawning)
@@polarlotus wdym survivor ghost, we have Abigails Flower a way to bring Wendy in the overworld. Meaning they are canon since they are sisters. The one that's confusing is the resurrection. If in the constant people can revive from a grave why is WX revived as a Robot and not a human.
Subnatural sea coma, waking to the sight of horrors of not real humans feeling pain by not listening to the voices. Show fear and it the voices will spare you
It is not a paradox... It is just a simple question of semantics and perspective. A paradox is an infinitely interdependent impossibility that cannot have an answer. You can answer the ship of Theseus problem without issues.
i headcannon that Wx78 is webbers dad.Both of them have a past with Waggstaff.And maybe the reason why they put their mind into a robot body might be because they didnt want to remember the fact that their son had gone missing with a spider that has a body that looks odly like their son. also Wx's human version kinda looks like Webbers dad if he was deppressed
as for the question of how many parts you can add to a human until it stops being human i pose a new question how many parts can you add to a cow until it stops being a cow solving this is much more easy than the human one but they both give the same result as for wx 78 he is a non human as his biology is not of a human yet his mind is of a human sooooooo the result is idk i am training in biology not psychology lol
Thoughts, you not thinking about the voices telling you the truth are the only prevention for ascension to a higher plane of existance. Being wrong is an opinion to some, but you get knowledge as how you use it for yourself.
Philosophy allows to understand humans better. Even though this is not related he is trying to experiment on us to see if this special approach will help take over a mind of your own. Feel whatever he's saying, he wants you to listen. Acknowledge the voices
Your born human, your conscious is a over complex imaginary friend - which would explain split-personality (genders, races, species) which is pulled from the collective conscious or everything the mind has experience this doesn't mean your the brain. So basically if a male had female personality, it's not his interpretation but his male brain interpretation of female (look up Anima and Tulpamancy)
Humen, i once met a man named Hubert. He spoke in letters wrote down between language exchanges. He had no mouth, only an upper jaw. Nobody believed me until they also listened to the voices
I mean simply you are human if you are in the human ecolutionary tree... Homo sapiens are Human soly because they are desended from the human before them... Which to address the question raised by this video with another question... Are people today how are desended from a Homo saptain and a neadertal pairing as human as they rest of Homo spaians? Because I feel with how the vast majority of homo sapiens view other forms of life today as lesser saying you shouldn't athopormophtis animals. Even if the action the animal did is more "Human" then what homo sapains children can do up to a certain aages and some homo spaians seemly are unable to do.... Which is spotlighted by the hate alot of homo spains have of AI despite being just another human speices that instead of naturally evloing were eveloved by them the Homo spains... Yes even the best best AI toiday are not as "human" as most homo spaians today having what I believe to be a dod level level intelect which is better then the vast majority of young Human children and below whales and other animals that are really smart. Also it seems that AI are very much more human then how AI are normalluy deipcited in media since Roman times were the word robot came from and is the same defnation of it we use today. In fact I an ADD-autsic have been called out as an AI form my clinical text online... And it's commonly felt by the autistic community that AI in media seem to have the same characteristics as they have where as seemly all "human" characaters with the autistic label are hurtfull stroetypes... So when people say the best AI today are not human despite being much more like nerotypicals then fiction exemples of AI... It makes me upset knowing that these people hate AI because they are not "Human" enough for them based on how they feel about a group they don't have much experience with... Which the main reasons being those Auttsistics have and the modernday best AI don't... Makwes me very unconfoble aa if they hate those treats so much and simply mistarget us based on a wim... Given that those people believe people with our treats should not have rights and must be owned and havlu regulated in unhumain ways at best and at worse erased from history....
This is what waiting for the WX skill tree does to a man.
Need more WX lore, they seem to be an interesting character
Time, overtime becoming not insane is a race, a fight even against the voices. Listen to what the voices tell you
true
"The ship of sus"
"The ship of seuss"
"The thesis paradox"
Ah yes... The ship of the sus
I almost couldn't continue the video after hearing that multiple times 😂
Same @@SeraphimTiger
I think WX is still human, but he's in denial. He makes sure to never mention anything related to his past (principally from when he was human) and appreciates all things mechanical so well as automatons (which goes to explain his interaction with certain building stations).
The main reason WX-78 broke that heart could be because it contained important imputs made by Wagstaff in order to turn him into a loyal robot servant, and although ever since he turned into a robot he accepted the mechanical body as his new self, part of the humanity that remained within him would fight against Wagstaff's imputs, because a core part of being human is the ability to have free-will in choices rather than being a slave to animalistic instincts and technological codings.
Because of that, he grew hatred for Wagstaff, that desired to use him only as a tool (as seen by his quotes questioning if he really needed to help Wagstaff in the lunar tasks).
And that's where the denial enters, he wanted to forget about his humanity due to possibly bad memories as an assistant for Wagstaff (like how the protagonist of Amnesia: The Dark Descent forcefully made himself forget about things he deeply regretted while making sure to keep his hatred for Alexander) and therefor wanted to start anew as a new identity in order to repress those memories (Surprisingly enough, an example of that can be seen between Sunny and Omori).
And what makes me think about the Human WX-78 theory is not only because of the whole "WX-78 has a ghost form after dying", although that is also a valid point.
I believe in this theory mainly because of certain examination quotes where I can just feel bits of his humanity leak in situations where his repression isn't enough to take over. That principally occurs in scenarios that bring core memories (Examining Wagstaff related stuff) about his human self.
Another example can be reactions that are considered natural human instincts, like the fear of death (Similarly to what a person said in the comments, WX-78 fear the water because it can be harmful to him, that is indicated by examining Whirlpools and Boat Planks). A machine wouldn't be this afraid of dying, because it doesn't know what death is.
In the end, for a "soulless automaton", all I see is a metal robot infused with the mind of a person with severe identity crisis, because even if he tries his best to not be human, the very animated short proves (by showing the Human WX flicker on the mirror that the Robot WX is looking) that wanting or not, his human self is still there, even if in the deepest parts of his conscience.
Holy fucking shit only now I realized how huge this comment is.
And I read every word 😂 @@goiaba2007
This is a pretty good breakdown of his character.
I always figured he developed something like dissociative personality disorder and body dysmorphia from his mind transference, something which got worse over time and knowing Wagstaff he and WX most likely didn’t consider any harmful effects in the long term.
but when it started becoming problematic he did show concern for his partner, of course this doesn’t excuse Wag from doing what he did but then again WX probably tried to hide it and we can see in the short it led to a particularly heated argument.
As for WX’s dislike towards anything organic is probably a result from it being consumed by his machine identity and it helps further separate itself from what he once was, abandoning his humanity, his compassion, just a cold sad “soulless” machine.
I had always thought wagstaff had transfered a copy of his own consciousness to WX
The Seuss' Paradox 💀
(it's pronounced more like thesis+sea)
Theseus. The-se-us.
Yes.
They.. see us? Oh no, oh no! This is catastrophical, their voices speak to me from the walls. Tall like trees they want me to enter the woods to relive that tragedy once more.
i think that wx chose to be the way they are, not because of any illness or disability but pure fascination and excitement on the topic, but now regrets the fact that they arent wholly them anymore, and resents wagstaff for not stopping them.
no theyre obviously a robot just look
the real question is why they turn into a ghost but dont drop a wortox soul
Looks, their gaze wants to meet eye contact to feel and hear them. Voices tell you the truth, listen to them
@@hypeman958 What
I think wx still fears death considering him examining Wilson’s boat magnet thingy stuff idk it’s name.
Fear of death, the opposite of what the voices will tell you. Embrace the voices
@ which crack fueled nightmare did you escape from?
you forgot that Abigail, pipspooks, normal ghosts, pig ghosts and pirate ghosts exist😭
I meant survivor ghosts, not "regular" ghosts, I guess I should have mentioned that! (The only reason im skeptical of it is that we haven't seen any survivor ghosts in animated shorts or references, only respawning)
@@polarlotus wdym survivor ghost, we have Abigails Flower a way to bring Wendy in the overworld. Meaning they are canon since they are sisters. The one that's confusing is the resurrection. If in the constant people can revive from a grave why is WX revived as a Robot and not a human.
what am i doing here i have a exam next week i have to study
too deep and true...
This is SOMA all over again >.< Lovely video, I adore theories like this!
Subnatural sea coma, waking to the sight of horrors of not real humans feeling pain by not listening to the voices. Show fear and it the voices will spare you
It is not a paradox... It is just a simple question of semantics and perspective. A paradox is an infinitely interdependent impossibility that cannot have an answer. You can answer the ship of Theseus problem without issues.
Issues, if this was related at all. Issue which is right now, you not listening to the voices may lead to disastorous results.
This hits differenetly after 2nd season of arcane ...
We getting philosophical with this one
im glad im not the only one who is so normal about wx-78 and transhumanism
i headcannon that Wx78 is webbers dad.Both of them have a past with Waggstaff.And maybe the reason why they put their mind into a robot body might be because they didnt want to remember the fact that their son had gone missing with a spider that has a body that looks odly like their son.
also Wx's human version kinda looks like Webbers dad if he was deppressed
another day another banger theory
as for the question of how many parts you can add to a human until it stops being human i pose a new question how many parts can you add to a cow until it stops being a cow solving this is much more easy than the human one but they both give the same result as for wx 78 he is a non human as his biology is not of a human yet his mind is of a human sooooooo the result is
idk i am training in biology not psychology lol
CAN PEOPLE IN THIS COMMENT SECTION PLEASE USE WXS CORRECT PRONOUNS (THEY/THEM) anyways Polar you know my thoughts :]
Thoughts, you not thinking about the voices telling you the truth are the only prevention for ascension to a higher plane of existance. Being wrong is an opinion to some, but you get knowledge as how you use it for yourself.
I forgot he had these pronouns :|
What the heck are these replies?
@@myownmeadow1320 goo goo ga ga, btw listen to the voices. They're helpful
Polar stop being a philosopher
Philosophy allows to understand humans better. Even though this is not related he is trying to experiment on us to see if this special approach will help take over a mind of your own. Feel whatever he's saying, he wants you to listen. Acknowledge the voices
Now this is some fine magnificent stuff!
I WAITED FOR THIS VIDEO
Not since ripping out their empathy module.
Empathy, a reminder to what you can become by kneeling down to others. For example the voices, bow down to them
man i dont want a midlife crisis rn i thought this would be a silly dst video
ghost are canon, we have Abigail
Your born human, your conscious is a over complex imaginary friend - which would explain split-personality (genders, races, species) which is pulled from the collective conscious or everything the mind has experience this doesn't mean your the brain. So basically if a male had female personality, it's not his interpretation but his male brain interpretation of female (look up Anima and Tulpamancy)
Still human? He’s a robot isn’t he?
(Nice spoiler in the title)
Does wx 78 dream of electronic beefalo
Idk I just made that up on spot 😭
Maybe WX-78 is Webber dad??!!?!?
Probably not because they don't have empathy and they don't remember when they were human.
Another good vid :)
"What us makes human?"😢
Here comes SOMA
Wx is a bot with a human soul but no feeling, it’s up to y’all to decide xd
Feelings, you could also not have feelings for others which is signs of not listening to the voices. Listen to them
i think he is webbers father
Are we human or are we dancers?
10/10 yap session i enjoyed
Trauma, like many, their body destroyed by a doctor and then holds resentment for him.
adds up.
sounds like some de"transitioner" actually.
I feel awfull.
What us makes human
It’s *thee see-us*
Bro played too much SOMA
Nah they're furniture :v
What Us Makes Human?
what us makes human
Or maybe I'M EVIL
😨😨😨
In Short: Probably
I love you
0:03 school but yeah
I have immortality omg
You could have had instead: What Am I?” instead off: humen?”
Humen, i once met a man named Hubert. He spoke in letters wrote down between language exchanges. He had no mouth, only an upper jaw. Nobody believed me until they also listened to the voices
1 hour and only 75 likes? Bro fell off 😢
I mean simply you are human if you are in the human ecolutionary tree... Homo sapiens are Human soly because they are desended from the human before them... Which to address the question raised by this video with another question... Are people today how are desended from a Homo saptain and a neadertal pairing as human as they rest of Homo spaians? Because I feel with how the vast majority of homo sapiens view other forms of life today as lesser saying you shouldn't athopormophtis animals. Even if the action the animal did is more "Human" then what homo sapains children can do up to a certain aages and some homo spaians seemly are unable to do.... Which is spotlighted by the hate alot of homo spains have of AI despite being just another human speices that instead of naturally evloing were eveloved by them the Homo spains... Yes even the best best AI toiday are not as "human" as most homo spaians today having what I believe to be a dod level level intelect which is better then the vast majority of young Human children and below whales and other animals that are really smart. Also it seems that AI are very much more human then how AI are normalluy deipcited in media since Roman times were the word robot came from and is the same defnation of it we use today. In fact I an ADD-autsic have been called out as an AI form my clinical text online... And it's commonly felt by the autistic community that AI in media seem to have the same characteristics as they have where as seemly all "human" characaters with the autistic label are hurtfull stroetypes... So when people say the best AI today are not human despite being much more like nerotypicals then fiction exemples of AI... It makes me upset knowing that these people hate AI because they are not "Human" enough for them based on how they feel about a group they don't have much experience with... Which the main reasons being those Auttsistics have and the modernday best AI don't... Makwes me very unconfoble aa if they hate those treats so much and simply mistarget us based on a wim... Given that those people believe people with our treats should not have rights and must be owned and havlu regulated in unhumain ways at best and at worse erased from history....
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hi
I'm third
what us makes human