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My attempt at a written build order for those who want to try this out with a txt doc open.
Rough build order:
3 mex
2 solars
Bot lab
Rez bot + 2 constructors
Constructors get mexs, Second constructor builds 1 construction turret, starts a second and also leaves the base to grab any extra mexs
Go up to 35 Windmills (Armada)
When energy approaches cap, add energy storage
Post energy storage, when energy approaches 75%, add energy converters as needed (up to 8)
Continue building windmills
After 35 windmills - Start T2 lab, self d commander and reclaim for metal
Once t2 lab is finished, start T2 constructor (Do not boost t2 constructor) - Start reclaiming T2 lab
Add 2 construction turrets
Add metal storage
When metal storage is finished, finish reclaiming t2 lab
3 T2 mexs, reclaim metal storage/, basic solars.
Add construction turret (total 5) if you have enough metal
Fusion reactor (Start 6:38. Finish 7:42)
1 Advanced energy converter
Add construction turrets to total of 8 simultaneosly with starting Advanced Fusion Reactor
Reclaim windmills for metal
Advanced Fusion Reactor (Start 8:16. Finish 11:34)
Final completed build inventory:
3x T2 mexs
3x T1 mexs
1x AFUS
1x FUS
8x construction turrets
8x Basic energy converters
1x Advanced energy converter
1x Rez bot
1x T2 constructor
2x T1 constructor
Thank you! Awesome write up.
You've forgotten about reclaiming the T1 bot lab
Could reclaiming the T2 lab go faster if you build energy converters by it and self-D them to bring its HP low?
Little devils advocate here, but if you regularly reach the point where several of your team mates are dead before you start helping, and then single-handedly beat (half) the enemy team, you're a very selfish, non team, player and you should adjust your build to be more team friendly by starting to commit earlier.
It's not fun playing with people who position themselves in a "I'll win for the team, or it's not my fault we lost" spot, while forcing others into a "I'll hopefully hold long enough till I eventually get out eco'ed/teched in 1v2, and lose myself, and hope mister backline reacts quick enough, or its my fault the whole team lost" spot.
Because either, your team mates barely hold on long enough for you to keep eco'ing more and more and then they start losing ground/get their army and base wrecked, finally triggering you to commit, and you get to have all the "fun" winning the game, or it's their fault for leaking too much and/or dying too quick before you were ready.
And for them, either they themselves struggle and eventually get defeated 1v1(+1 quicker committer), and then get to sit there for 15-20 minutes watching someone else win the game for them (because if they leave the game, they won't get credit for a possible later win), or they can't hold the front alone at all, lose the whole game for the team.
Or, in the third scenario, where they actually successfully defend and push, while you're still ecoing, then you come in at the end to "steal the kill" with a quick fast moving army you quickly pooped out because you saw your Team was starting to win and you had to do "something" quick, even though you hadn't done anything yet, because otherwise you'd be shamed with the "slept for minutes" "award".
Whilst personally I still get some good enjoyment out of playing a "Die Hard" stubborn defence, and still consider it my win, this is a valid comment. Having a good dedicated tech player is often pretty vital in certain maps, but there's definitely a balance to how greedy to be, and when to commit. Over doing it also presents a massive game winning target for your opponents to hit if they spot you doing it, and good players will know how to exploit it.
I had two games just recently that really demonstrated this. Both on the map in this video. In the first one, I was a backline player and went for a Dragon rush strat. Our front started getting pushed, and morale in team chat was starting to break. I definitely didn't tech up as fast as I could have, but got my first dragon out, wiped out an encroaching enemy army, and killed a com. Ally harvests the wrecks. Second dragon comes out as the first is retreating, repeat exactly the same. Another com down and ally steals the enemy army of Bulls with his rezzers. Third and fourth Dragon join the rest to crush their panic built AA efforts, another com down, and our whole team pushes forwards for the win.
This was a slow eco noob (me) committing with the intended plan soon as possible. Worked great.
Second game later in the day, same map. A much higher rated player is backline, I'm front. Backline player goes for the same strat, minus the "rush" part. He was WAAAAAY faster at me than Eco. Got out multiple AFUS and a forest of con turrets, vs my 1 AFUS and dozen or so con turrets. By the time he actually committed, he had built 6 or more Dragons, but simply not used them til it was getting really dicey. He flew out, smashed half the enemy team, but it was too late. One of our players had already called GG and solo resigned, and the rest of us were done. Our other backline eco player had been wrecked by raids that slipped past mid game. The enemy built a huge amount of fighters, and the Dragons got taken out due to having no safe space to retreat to and being stretched too far. We lost the game.
I'm confident that player could have easily won the game for us had he skipped half of his eco and brought in his units sooner.
One thing I seriously don't understand for BAR is ...... why frontline asking to BUY or backline trying to SELL T2 bot? Sure, those unit is not free and need lot of time to build. But.... is not everyone try their best to contribute to win? ECO have much more time and less stress to rush as frontline do a lot of work for ya. It's just a thing that ECO can contribute to combat early and help frontline.
It's just the way you say. BAR is very weird RTS. Frontliner seem to be just a pawn for ECO king to have a big show. May be I just don't understand.
Didn't know you were over here on BAR. I took a lone break from playing/watching AoE4 and have been loving BAR. So much depth and so many options for a free game.
and despite this video, lots of early aggression options xD
Yeah there is a huge amount of depth, I've been having HEAPS of fun with it.
So much depth and so many option for a game
I think this is the most beautiful teching I have ever seen. This final base was so efficient it almost made me cry. Thank you for blessing my eyes with such structure.
BAR "7:41 Fission" by Drongo with 6 mex (my best: 9:09 post commander update):
Stage 1:
1. 3 mex 2 solar bot lab
2. 1 rez 2 builders, assist rez
3. start building wind, 35-40 is the ultimate target, assist second builder once wind overflows
4. B1: 2 north mex, then wind
5. B2: assisted nano
6. 2nd nano blueprint (don't assist), south mex
7. energy storage, 6 converters once wind overflows
8. reclaim bot lab (650) with rez
9. T2 lab, reclaim comm with rez (5-6 minutes in)
Stage 2:
1. + 2 nanos
2. T2 builder (don't boost), reclaim T2 lab at the same time, keep building turbines
3. metal storage, reclaim T2 bot lab
4. upgrade 3 mex
5. +1 nano, fission, reclaim metal storage
6. reclaim solars with rez after a delay
7. adv energy converter
8. +3-5 nano, AFU, reclaim wind turbines, reclaim excess nano with nano if needed
9. 3 adv energy converters + nanos
10. anti-nuke
Wintergaming and Drongo are on the BAR train? It's been great seeing so many personalities discovering this awesome gem. Hard to believe it's free when it absolutely smokes so many recent RTS games.
Zero-K is another TA successor that's also available for free on Steam, and Sanctuary is an upcoming nextgen successor that should come out later this year or next year.
Exceptionally well made video. An AFUS energy output fully converted is 51.3 metal
They reduced comm metal from 2000 to 1250 in the commander update just after this video, in May.
7:41 fission is no longer possible. After about 10 tries I went from 10-11 minutes to 9:10 minutes but I can't do any better in that spot.
I watch a lot of Starcraft 2 and I was wondering how the mex and energy in this game compared and damn I didn't know you could build such an insane economy in this. Looks like a ton of fun.
You delete your com? You dont leave a tiny bit to rez later? Is it worth deleting him for whatever amount of metal you get from it?
We need more of this!!! Great video. BAR has to become big. What a good game and very impressive execution!
I've started a version of this where I rush the marauders, but I waste a lot of time building other units and structures along the way. I'm going to try this method while backlining and see if I can end the game quicker. The marauders are such a problem for early to mid game, especially on maps like straights that are so wide open. Mobility is really hard to defend against.
Arguably this build might be better for cortex, since your advanced fusion is cheaper (energy wise, also reduced overall build time), and you can pump out a twitcher to have some emergency unit production
I tried it with Cortex, with and without the twitcher, and it is significantly slower on the fusion, not so much on the AFUS. I do like the adaptation of adding the twitcher, definitely gives a lot more flexibility in defense.
Triple mechs?? with the Arm Faction?? wow this is wild content!!
Watch out for the DOUBLE factory
I think its funny I played TA when it was released, got into SC2, watched Winter's channel during covid and then saw him playing BAR a few weeks back.
Excellent. Can't wait to see more BAR content from you.
Great economy video, well explained, many essential principles touched upon, In my games I'm going to try to reclaim the buildings that I no longer need as my base / economy progresses
I'm sure you've realized this in more recent games but building even 5 rockets to help the front goes so long. Pro strats for backline non-eco players build 5 rockets before teching, they 2 shot llts and you can eat the metal with your rez afterwards while pushing/defending the front with your extra apm. idk bout you but watching things build is boring, and the alert system is great I'm almost always able to tell which units are being attacked and can quickly double tap to micro if I am busy with my eco.
I've just found that leaks are prevalent even with early llts from the front, its best to make a few units or 1 llt covering your start in most games. Its not that you can't trust your front its more like 4 players sending scouts in different directions is unpredictable and there is a high likelihood of something reaching your base at some point before your boom starts. And surprisingly llts although do dogshit damage this way can in fact shoot up.
PSA: unless you're playing something with a single choke like isthmus which you can still get some leaks over the sea but way less likely. def build an llt or a few units before going hard like this or you will be so made in 70% of your games wen a leak from the opposite side of the map reaches your base and kills a few mexs.
I think the compound interest you get from fusion 2, 3, maybe even 4 before going afus is kinda huge… have you tried playing for 4 fusions before afus?
I'm very much a rookie when it comes to speed tech/eco, but I can say I often find myself doing this. Even the possibility of compound interest aside, it very often feels like trying for an Advanced Fusion is just too greedy a gamble with too late a pay off, whilst a regular fusion feels like it's within reach and will be useful before the game turns south for you.
I would be interested in seeing proper timed test results though, to figure out how the "compound interest" concept actually works out, and what the ideal order would be for some slightly further out end goal.
So... Drongos going for an HRE naked fast castle into a Burgrave?
You know me! Das ist mein burger.
What’s the key binds for splitting the work between constructors? I had no idea you could do that.
Use space bar.
shift + alt + space
what about legion? thats my main faction and i always struggle with metal so much, even in games with friends where i can take like 20 mex's. can you make a tutorial for legion? it seems like fusion and energy converters is the only way to go
How vulnerable is this to bombing runs? I ask because I see that a.fus in the middle of your base and imagine a few bombers setting that thing off and gutting your entire economy.
When playing against friends, killing the commander really isn't an option....
ha I think ive played some games with u and def moms boy toy before, nice small lil comunity
How would a new player figure out what the two building you placed down at the start are?
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Love the commentary, hope to see more BAR content
What are you using to record? Sound is great.
Thank you! I use a Shure SM7B, together with a Cloudlifter CL-1, and mix it into a GoXLR Mini.
@@MoreDrongo I see your minmaxing doesn't just stay in game. Nice! There's a clear difference and it's appreciated while wearing headphones.
I've played with and against MBT hes insane lol
the best part was the economy joke lol
what does teching means ? there is no tech tree
I like this a lot, although it's a bit too reliant on the best case scenario, i.e. no one attacking you while you're building all this up. Even some scouts in the wrong place at the wrong time could set you back quite a bit. A radar tower inserted in this wouldn't be a bad investment at all. You'd just have to be sure you're looking out for any openings/breakaways of enemies so you can turn your buildpower to spitting out Pawns immediately for defense.
how do you self destruct?
I was wondering if lowering the energy-to-converter limit would had improved this build order, as most of the time you had a surplus of energy while only have of your converters where active. (at least in the AFUS building phase)
hey drongo is there anyway you could do a guide about tips and tricks in BAR im literally one hour into the game and im a very slow learning person, how do u blueprint etc? thanks mate!!
How do we send U a bar reply?
How did you get lazarus bot to auto collect resources? You didn't send him to the rocks, he just starting finding them? How?
Love the build order, but you’re asking your entire team the fall on the sword so you can succeed. Holding the front as a lone player is not a fun time
You should do a video covering SR1's and why the elitist of BAR are really bad for the games community
drongo doing BAR now?
You should leave 1% in your com so they can't just send a nuclear bomber to take out your two remaining coms
No fucking way, I just played this game. You're bloody maurader run by was so good
you talk too much
name map?
@Drongo this looks similar to Zero-K. Have you played that ?
Have you got anymore content on BAR or plan to? It's good to have more content creators picking it up, real dearth of content out there at the moment
Doesn't the game end when the commander die?
no
omg Drongo doing BAR content. Am I dreaming. I dont even know anymore.
Same strat for a nuke rush. Build nuke instead of 2nd fusion and blast em
Aussiedrango to BAR? Fuck yeah
Great guide, thanks for sharing! Halfway through your video I noticed my name j2j and thought "oh cool, i got to play with the Aussie Drongo!" But then my heart skipped a beat wondering if i flamed The Aussie Drongo...glad u were cool!
Good seeing you over here on BAR! Love your other content too!
Best policy, always be cool.
At 1:54, you have your commander build que uninterrupted when you turn and force out the workers. How do you interrupt the que while also maintaining it???
Hold space while left/right clicking on something, and it'll insert it to the front of the queue
Is it wasted energy if it goes to your team though?
Great job dude. Thoughts on nuke?
Hell yeah I love that BAR is taking off
so what units have you built here?
good stuff!
keep it coming
4k on top of it. LOVE IT!!!!
and it came. da build order
whys does this look like supreme commander 2
They both stem from the same game that invented this sub genre of RTS, Total Annihilation.
Total Anihilation, Supreme Commander, Planetary Annihilation, Zero K, Beyond All Reason.
All part of the same family.
i thought you lost when your commander dies
That's in 1v1
build op
Saw Winter promoting this game a while back and I installed it but I haven't actually given it a go yet. Seeing you enjoy it makes me want to give it a go. I just have to set my expectations correctly cause it's definitely not as mechanically demanding as other RTSes.
Sorry sir, but you are wrong. Having the ability to maintain a high apm and having an in dept understanding of all the different mechanics at play really is a big advantage. Allthough the basics of the economy ( energy and metal) are simple enough... mastering the balance of economy building, buildpower and unit production is a skill not many BAR players have. Not to mention the advanced movement and attacking options. There is soo much to learn and master. The skillcap on this game is actually quite high. If you like a challenging RTS, you will not be dissappointed by BAR ;)
@@kenvanpassen9247 I'll definitely give it a go once I have time. My comment was based on the Winter gameplay I've seen. It looks like it doesn't require as high APM as SC2. Which is not an attack on its depth and complexity, just saying it's a different flavor. Go is a strategy game that has no mechanical difficulty and is still incredibly deep with a high skill ceiling.
The game gives alot of SupCom vibes
They are both inspired by the same game, Total Annihilation. Planetary Annihilation is also inspired by it!
@Drongo yeah that's also very true, damn I've not played TA in ages xD