Well done Jordan for your first on-screen appearance. Also a very informative discussion between the 2 - i think that instead of becoming an economist I should have studied engineering, watching those videos at least makes me feel like one :D
Jordan could stand to expand some of his acronyms so it was clearer if he was identifying a kind of plastic or a part of the car. He did well, let's see more of him.
Check out the inside EV Mini Cooper SE walk around video. It definitely shows the protection for the wiring and undercarriage that was removed for this much more technical video.
Please have Jordan featured more on this channel. I suspect a lot of us are really wishing we could get more actual technical design comparisons between EVs.
This looks like the definition of a half ass Ev conversion job. I was expecting Mini/BMW to do a better job but they clearly did not. Great review guys !
@@CarlForde on some German vehicles brake lines were routed the same way, never had any issues of them failing, that being said you would think they would protect them a little better.
After all this is bmw, who uses plastic coolant lines in the ice cars which crack and cost a fortune to get to and replace. When rubber or metal could have been used. How much engineering or care do they, or have they ever used. I mean how reliable are their ice cars compared to toyota or honda?
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
@@jayhawkeyes road debris is a real issue and everyone knows those stupid covers end up falling off eventually or are removed by impatient repair people. Some repair person removed the fender liners of my current used car at some point, breaking most of the mounting points in the process. A real damn mess to fix and the replacements are a fraction as thick and I expect it to be a continual maintence issue. Any OEM should know better than to count on those being there forever.
Personally, Sandy is always fun, but you are doing amazing work in every video. It's great to see some industrial-level engineering on TH-cam and not only the "backyard" things, which-don't get me wrong-are also fun, but this is the real deal.
High voltage cables are done the same way in the $130k Tesla Model S Plaid. Check around 7:30 in the Rich Rebuilds video. And that is a clean-sheet EV.
I wonder though, what is the consequence of the damage? For a damaged battery pack you can have unconstrained discharge of the entire pack, meaning fire, but for the HV cables you would ideally blow fuses/breakers within the pack itself. I suppose the real concern is scenarios with high resistance paths going through the body that could maybe harm a human without blowing the fuses/breakers.
@@rhamph you would expect in most manufacturers these are properly fused, but given how sloppy this is, who knows! I think you raise some interesting points, it would be good for Munro to answer as much as they can without tearing apart the mini.
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
Everyone at Munro is worth listening to and learning from. The team players are what makes the Associates part of Munro so stand out. Sandy is a favorite, but his team shows up to shine even when he isn't around. I hope your new hires compliment and help expand the great work you guys do there.
@@MunroLive Hey Jordan - thanks for the video. Take a look at the specifications of the MINI-E - which they made 500 of, for lease only, back in 2012. All of the stats (range, acceleration, top speed, etc) are IDENTICAL to the MINI-SE. Suggesting that they just stuck the decade old MINI-E parts into a new body frame. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_E
It’s always nice to see some of the other team members. Jordan did an outstanding job. Keep up the great work! I look forward to Munro live every time it is available and have learned so much. Thank you
We are really getting a unique insight into Munro via the introduction of some of the behind the scenes folks....100 people on staff and open requisitions to boot....this is quite an operation. Looking forward to seeing Cory dig into that Sub-Zero refrig some more.
Jordan is a natural. So relaxed and knowledgeable. Use him more. Was shocked to see those HV cables loosely mounted underneath. There's a serious problem waiting.
Gives the impression of being more of a family, than a team & certainly not just an employer/employee relationship. Many of the staff seem to have been with Munro for many years (10+), that's a great advertisement right there. Well done & good luck to ALL.
Jordan is another asset in front of the camera, knowledgable & natural. (IMO) Now what halfwit at BM thought that they could allow this so called Mini out onto the public roads with high power cabling routed like that (?) No doubt the same halfwit that signed off the BM engine where the timing chain is at the other end of the engine, the clutch end!
So true. That high voltage cabling looks homemade and dangerous. If the car gets driven over something in the road, the cabling is likely to get damaged or ripped out. Can’t believe Mini/BMW built a car with high voltage cables being the lowest point of the undercarriage. How do you spell lawsuits and recalls?
The cabling is covered by an aeroshield which Munro removed for visibility, which will prevent it from getting snagged by brush, and if you have something pierce the shield and the cable then you'll probably have more issues than just having the cables from the charge port to the OBC being cut.
@@Wrkncacnter777 And MINI is using the same design that Toyota and countless other Hybrids use with deploying the cables: they are protected by the aeroshield/splash guard undercarriage cover. I guess the moral of the story here is don't go four wheeling in your tiny two door Electric Vehicle.
@@Wrkncacnter777 The shield you speak of Stuart was not mentioned or shown and they also told us that these cables are normally run in/or alongside structural members for safety. Odds on the shield you speak of is made from some kind of composite that a big piece of road debris could easily puncture & possibly the cabling under it. Still if you are happy with that offering from BMW feel free but I and many others (I guess) will give it a miss after seeing that.
Can't believe the exposed high voltage cables. You could rip them off going over a curb. Jordan is a natural. Very informative. Hope he gets more air time. Cheers.
Well done Jordan! I was surprised the undercarriage was still so “ICE”. I suspect there were economies of scale but having a clean sheet of paper in this area would seem to make things easier in the long run I.e. suspension change needed for the lower CG or increased weight impacts to correct for ride; effort to shoehorn into limits of ICE chassis compared to purpose built etc, It would be nice to know if there was a “rule of thumb” on the potential weight savings if a new under carriage could employed. Great job as always, and while all miss Sandy, it is great to understand the real team that makes lean design work.
It's an ICE retrofit that allows MINI to remove ICE vehicles from the road. Currently 30% of MINIs sold in some markets are electric vehicles. All MINIs will be electric by the 2025-2030 time frame.
Hi thanks for all the feedback. I guess I was thinking that yes if you have an ICE chassis there would need to be a point where you design custom battery packs and try to live within the limits of an existing design…OR .. the other path of designing a frame / undercarriage that takes into account the needs of electric out of the box to fit the upper body shell to create a better solution. BMW has already dabbled with electric years ago and could have gleaned some knowledge or experience from that trial to improve their ability to make a better car of the MINI…. but perhaps not at this time. It may take years to create a new chassis to cover electric needs as far as I know. Thanks Again!
Really great to see the other team members too! When only Sandy is presenting, it feels like he is being pressed too hard and could easily step back, take a well-earned breather and let his well chosen younger colleagues do a round or two - like the current one!
Corey, you do a great job! Getting other members of the Munro team involved shows the depth of staff beyond Sandy. No diss on Sandy, I enjoy his frank and honest comments.
That guy looked like an intern but he confidently showed that he knows his stuff. It's fascinating to see how much EVs are built so differently: something as simple--compared to ICE--as a battery pack and a motor or two has a wide variety of implementations.
Terrific! It’s so great to see those people who work “behind the curtain,” so to speak. As was said, this is a team effort at Munro, and these videos are a great way to illustrate that.
Once again Munro & Associates thanks to Corey Steuben for bringing out Mr Jordan Arocha allowing him to display to all of us the best that the company has to offer and shows us all that forward thinking in the workplace is something Munro at it's core believe in promoting the talent of their employee's. Thanks again Corey, for pointing out the cabling on this EV. All I can comment is THANK GOD that BMW are not touting this as an off road capable vehicle!! Lord help anyone that snags one of those under body High Voltage Cables even under normal driving. It is great that Sandy exhibits this much trust in delegating his workload, Hope that Sandy is having a fun time moving and taking some time off from the Grueling Schedule his new found fame has thrust upon him.. It is awesome that Corey steps up and takes charge which is exciting to see. Wish that all company President's took this as seriously as he does.
I had been considering one of these but thanks to you putting it in the air what I saw especially regarding the routing of the high voltage wires and cobbled together battery assembly there is no way. They shortcutted major critical items, what did they shortcut you cannot see....thanks again guys.
I think its worth mentioning in the video or comments that you removed the undercarriage protection guys, a lot of people in the comments seem to think the car is made with exposed components like in the video 🙄
It appears that most viewers of this video, who are mistakenly ranting about this being "bodged", "slapped together", or dangerous do not realize that the HV cables are completely covered by a full body length underbelly pan (removed prior to shooting video), that actually provides a smoother and more aerodynamic underbelly than the ICE mini. The HV cables are in fact not directly exposed to the outside, as most seem to believe. I think it would have been more accurate to provide viewers a look at the actual underside without the underbelly pan removed, rather than to simply point out the location of the HV cables as a negative without context. It would have also been more accurate and contextualized to point out that other BEV's, such as Tesla, route cabling in the exact same manner on the underside.
As soon as this video ended I went in the garage and looked under mine to see the very long and wide belly pan. I agree this video was a little bit misleading about what is actually out in the open and exposed. Love my MINI EV.
Those exposed high voltage cables are a disaster in the making. I'm sure BMW will check these comments and realize notice has been served on that score.
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
@@jayhawkeyes Please review the video at the 2:35 time stamp. Corey points out how exposed the high voltage cables are. There is no sealed under carriage noted. He was polite enough not to be critical of this finding, only because it was so obvious. I live in a rural community and with every wind storm that comes through, the roads can be littered with tree branches of various sizes and geometries. One of those can hook those cables and rip them loose, especially at night. Plus other types of road debris/hazards can have equally damaging results. I don't think a few wire ties are a good design, leaving the cables exposed to possible damage.
@@BillyLapTop i agree, Cory is a great presenter. I enjoy his style. I also agree... you wont be buying this car if you have branches of various geometry or probably even ROUS'es flying arround the neighborhood...
Nicely put together inspection of this ice car turned into an EV. It never occurred to me that the Mini would be such a low tech approach to an EV. Thanks.
I am sure people who convert EVs are really liking that drop end component package that drops right into the existing motor mounts. People who are judging this harshly are forgetting this is a factory ICE to EV conversion and from the looks of it, a really good one. The batteries are mounted in the right spot for an EV and not just squeezed into cargo places. I think BMW hit this out of the park. They can now offer EV minis that do not redesign the car in a way existing owners wouldn't like. The mach-e is a nice EV, but it is not a mustang and doesn't really appeal to many existing mustang owners. (on the flip size, EV camaros are converted by 3rd parties and they do appeal to existing owners) BMW's last low range EV was the i3 which had less range and was over twice the price. This mini-cooper EV is about $23k after the federal tax credit in the US and under $20k brand new in states with additional incentives. This mini is a great commuter EV and the only real limitation is the smaller car size, but existing mini owners are already fine with the size of the car. I hope this converts a lot of mini overs to EV.
Always interesting. I have watched and enjoyed many of Muro's videos . He does not dumb down to us too much and seldom uses acronyms without explaining them. In the space of a few minutes I counted 7 in this video None of which I understood. EPDM, ED, MDH, EVE, PT, EAC, MBP? I know this is how pros talk, but if you want us laymen to watch, please use words. As an attorney, I always tried to under my audience and speak accordingly. I do appreciate the work that goes into the videos. thanks
It's really great to see ppl who have knowledge, understating and can speak on facts on the topic. Jordan has the hallmarks of a great presenter, . In this case, it's interesting to see how haphazard the mini EV design appears. I believe the Mini EV was available before the BMW i3, so this is likely a compliance model to bridge the gap.
Rear cradle of the newest 5 and i believe 3 series are solid mounted to the body. (At least on the M models that i know of) It’s been a thing for a bit. But yes traditionally they are rubber isolated. Also yeah i noticed those lines are quite exposed and it seems they’re held on by plastic zip ties. I’d hope those don’t get brittle over time leaving those lines hanging down.
I'm assuming they neglected to mention that there are black plastic covers that have already been removed so the undercarriage can be seen. Those covers are probably what you see at the very beginning of the video, flanking the vehicle lift.
I’ve suggested this vehicle to a lot of people who don’t want a Tesla and do want a vehicle that is more entry level in price I think this vehicle could work for the person who is retired or only has a moderately long commute. It’s super interesting to see how these compliance cars are built versus a pure electric from the ground up. It looks like there’s a lot of compromise with these converted versions of the main stream vehicle however, it really seems like there is a lot of room for opportunity to use old designs if they could just re-package them more efficiently.
I am going to look at the bright side. Given that it is almost same as the ICE car. Repairability would be much higher than a dedicated EV. Like the Bolt?
Hi, Were any undercarriage protections, both on the back and the front, removed before making the video? Also, and just to be sure, there were not mechanical protection to the high power cables we see running under the cabin space? Thanks!!!
Well done review and insight. I’m assuming that I saw mounting points for a cover panel at the front and rear that I don’t remember being mentioned. Especially in lieu of the fact that the high voltage lines are so exposed!
This is a nice touch. It is good to see that Manro has a deep bench of talent like Jordan. It speaks well of the company and it demonstrates that Sandy and the top management are focused on developing the talent within the firm. Nice going Jordan, hope to see more of you. On another note, thus far I am not too impressed with the Mini. Looks more like a conversion from an ICE vehicle to an electric one.
Wouldn't mini owners like that this is basically a factory made EV conversion without changing the car much? People have been paying big bucks for EV conversions on niche vehicles. I would say shared platforms works for lower volume niche cars. The people who want minis can get a solid EV conversion with this for dirt cheap. The car costs $23,250 after the federal tax credit and under $20k if you live in a state with additional incentives. If you fit and like mini's this is a nice daily driver as 100mi of range should be good for nearly all daily commutes.
It’s good learning for us when you talk about the thinking that goes behind each component. It seems the automakers can constantly learn from each other and not keep making the boneheaded mistakes that causes unnecessary service, repairs and recalls. One would think all the kinks would have been worked out by now, yet we continue to suffer as consumers. Really glad that Tesla seems to be breaking the old lazy norms with its innovation. The new world order, innovate or perish. Munro is shining the light on the dark underbelly where the cockroaches can no longer hide. Excellent job 👍
This is basically a factory made EV conversion of an ICE model. Mini is lower volume and its owners likely like this more because it is a converted ICE and not a redesigned mini. This car is higher quality and way cheaper than if you bought an ICE mini and paid someone to covert it to EV. For what it is, I think this car is perfectly fine. It matches what owners want out of it and with 100mi, even in the US market it is usable for nearly all daily commutes. If you live in the right state after EV incentives, this mini is can be under $20k brand new. This is what the i3 should have been. If you can fit, this mini is far better than the i3 with is silly gas range extender and cost of $50k. When you account for price, I think BMW actually did a good job here. When making lower volume cars with less range, you really don't need a ground up approach. I consider the way they packaged the electronics into a frame package that drops in just like an engine would to be decent innovation. This is likely BMW's best EV so far because it isn't overpriced and thus not a waste of money.
Jordan is a natural, looking forward to seeing more of him on camera!
Jordan is very impressive, can see why he's been with the Company 10 years
I was thinking the same thing and seemed very comfortable in front of a camera.
Yeah, why’s he been hiding behind the camera all this time? Extremely knowledgeable and excellent delivery 👍
Jordan would make a great regular Munro LIVE host/cast member. He's got the Hollywood stuff!
Just pick a less stripey shirt!
Well done Jordan for your first on-screen appearance. Also a very informative discussion between the 2 - i think that instead of becoming an economist I should have studied engineering, watching those videos at least makes me feel like one :D
Jordan could stand to expand some of his acronyms so it was clearer if he was identifying a kind of plastic or a part of the car. He did well, let's see more of him.
Check out the inside EV Mini Cooper SE walk around video. It definitely shows the protection for the wiring and undercarriage that was removed for this much more technical video.
I'm impressed with Jordan. Let's see him some more.
Bringing on different hosts is much appreciated, they all did a great job.
Please have Jordan featured more on this channel. I suspect a lot of us are really wishing we could get more actual technical design comparisons between EVs.
Jordan is good on camera. So funny to finally see him after Sandy mentions him so much on video 😁👊🏼
This looks like the definition of a half ass Ev conversion job. I was expecting Mini/BMW to do a better job but they clearly did not. Great review guys !
really looks like a proof of concept/prototype. Those dangling orange cables though...
@@CarlForde on some German vehicles brake lines were routed the same way, never had any issues of them failing, that being said you would think they would protect them a little better.
Probably a rush product to fill a niche in a rapidly changing market with minimal effort.
@@CarlForde the covers have been removed on this car, they aren't usually exposed
Jordan was very informative and charismatic on camera. Would like to see him in more videos.Great Job
We agree!
@@MunroLive Tell him to chin up and gift him a "I am the grand master of cars!" as a pick-me-up t-shirt for this 10 years of dedication.
Jordan is a very nice guy. Humble, smart, and informative! Thanks for bringing him on, Cory! This channel is awesome
Our pleasure!
Very good video. Jordan presents and speaks really well.
Glad you think so!
Rather surprised to see the high voltage cables not exactly looking well attached or that safe even.
After all this is bmw, who uses plastic coolant lines in the ice cars which crack and cost a fortune to get to and replace. When rubber or metal could have been used. How much engineering or care do they, or have they ever used. I mean how reliable are their ice cars compared to toyota or honda?
I think they took of the flat covers of
@@ariip average BMW costs third of the purchase price on service not covered by the warranty in 1st 3 years from purchase...
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
@@jayhawkeyes road debris is a real issue and everyone knows those stupid covers end up falling off eventually or are removed by impatient repair people. Some repair person removed the fender liners of my current used car at some point, breaking most of the mounting points in the process. A real damn mess to fix and the replacements are a fraction as thick and I expect it to be a continual maintence issue. Any OEM should know better than to count on those being there forever.
Personally, Sandy is always fun, but you are doing amazing work in every video. It's great to see some industrial-level engineering on TH-cam and not only the "backyard" things, which-don't get me wrong-are also fun, but this is the real deal.
High voltage cables are done the same way in the $130k Tesla Model S Plaid. Check around 7:30 in the Rich Rebuilds video. And that is a clean-sheet EV.
Yup, people just wanna hate without checking their favourite vehicles out first
Great to see new people from behind the scene. Great work, thank you!
Those high voltage lines zip tied to the undercarriage is insane. Can't wait to see the BMW apologists explain why it's properly engineered this way.
Agree. Looks unsafe. They would get torn off or damaged easily.
I'm thinking what comes first: If they will be torn or sliced.
I wonder though, what is the consequence of the damage? For a damaged battery pack you can have unconstrained discharge of the entire pack, meaning fire, but for the HV cables you would ideally blow fuses/breakers within the pack itself. I suppose the real concern is scenarios with high resistance paths going through the body that could maybe harm a human without blowing the fuses/breakers.
@@rhamph you would expect in most manufacturers these are properly fused, but given how sloppy this is, who knows! I think you raise some interesting points, it would be good for Munro to answer as much as they can without tearing apart the mini.
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
I like Jordan. Competent guy. Explains well.
Everyone at Munro is worth listening to and learning from. The team players are what makes the Associates part of Munro so stand out. Sandy is a favorite, but his team shows up to shine even when he isn't around. I hope your new hires compliment and help expand the great work you guys do there.
Thanks Jordan for your efforts offscreen thus far (and onscreen here)! Really good insights. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@MunroLive Hey Jordan - thanks for the video. Take a look at the specifications of the MINI-E - which they made 500 of, for lease only, back in 2012. All of the stats (range, acceleration, top speed, etc) are IDENTICAL to the MINI-SE. Suggesting that they just stuck the decade old MINI-E parts into a new body frame. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_E
It’s always nice to see some of the other team members. Jordan did an outstanding job. Keep up the great work! I look forward to Munro live every time it is available and have learned so much. Thank you
We are really getting a unique insight into Munro via the introduction of some of the behind the scenes folks....100 people on staff and open requisitions to boot....this is quite an operation.
Looking forward to seeing Cory dig into that Sub-Zero refrig some more.
I'd like to see Jordan more! I loved the way he explained things, how technical but thorough he was.
Jordan is a natural. So relaxed and knowledgeable. Use him more. Was shocked to see those HV cables loosely mounted underneath. There's a serious problem waiting.
Please mention the belly pan in the next video. Went looked at mine and was very happy to see the pan.
Great job Jordan, super knowledgeable.
Gives the impression of being more of a family, than a team & certainly not just an employer/employee relationship.
Many of the staff seem to have been with Munro for many years (10+), that's a great advertisement right there. Well done & good luck to ALL.
Great work Cory and Jordan, its nice to see different presenters.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jordan is another asset in front of the camera, knowledgable & natural. (IMO)
Now what halfwit at BM thought that they could allow this so called Mini out onto the public roads with high power cabling routed like that (?)
No doubt the same halfwit that signed off the BM engine where the timing chain is at the other end of the engine, the clutch end!
So true. That high voltage cabling looks homemade and dangerous. If the car gets driven over something in the road, the cabling is likely to get damaged or ripped out. Can’t believe Mini/BMW built a car with high voltage cables being the lowest point of the undercarriage. How do you spell lawsuits and recalls?
The cabling is covered by an aeroshield which Munro removed for visibility, which will prevent it from getting snagged by brush, and if you have something pierce the shield and the cable then you'll probably have more issues than just having the cables from the charge port to the OBC being cut.
@@Wrkncacnter777 So, you say there IS a shield! Thank goodness! I immediately spotted those cables thinking this can't be happening! Phew...
@@Wrkncacnter777 And MINI is using the same design that Toyota and countless other Hybrids use with deploying the cables: they are protected by the aeroshield/splash guard undercarriage cover. I guess the moral of the story here is don't go four wheeling in your tiny two door Electric Vehicle.
@@Wrkncacnter777 The shield you speak of Stuart was not mentioned or shown and they also told us that these cables are normally run in/or alongside structural members for safety.
Odds on the shield you speak of is made from some kind of composite that a big piece of road debris could easily puncture & possibly the cabling under it.
Still if you are happy with that offering from BMW feel free but I and many others (I guess) will give it a miss after seeing that.
Jordon is really on top of things.
Nice to see the face behind the bullet points! Great job!!!
Thanks Max
Can't believe the exposed high voltage cables. You could rip them off going over a curb. Jordan is a natural. Very informative. Hope he gets more air time. Cheers.
They are not exposed. The Munro team failed to mention that they took off the protective shielding before filming.
Great job Jordan, clearly you know about that of which you talk. Mini looks very messy, not a ground up design, and typical of legacy OEM's.
Thanks!
Great to see more of the team. Sandy and the team are amazing
Well done Jordan! I was surprised the undercarriage was still so “ICE”. I suspect there were economies of scale but having a clean sheet of paper in this area would seem to make things easier in the long run I.e. suspension change needed for the lower CG or increased weight impacts to correct for ride; effort to shoehorn into limits of ICE chassis compared to purpose built etc, It would be nice to know if there was a “rule of thumb” on the potential weight savings if a new under carriage could employed. Great job as always, and while all miss Sandy, it is great to understand the real team that makes lean design work.
It's easier to retrofit a existing car than completely new design.
I do not believe these to be true EVs these are ice retrofit..
Legacy car makers pretending to build true electric vehicles.
It's an ICE retrofit that allows MINI to remove ICE vehicles from the road. Currently 30% of MINIs sold in some markets are electric vehicles. All MINIs will be electric by the 2025-2030 time frame.
@@jayhawkeyes good point
Hi thanks for all the feedback. I guess I was thinking that yes if you have an ICE chassis there would need to be a point where you design custom battery packs and try to live within the limits of an existing design…OR .. the other path of designing a frame / undercarriage that takes into account the needs of electric out of the box to fit the upper body shell to create a better solution. BMW has already dabbled with electric years ago and could have gleaned some knowledge or experience from that trial to improve their ability to make a better car of the MINI…. but perhaps not at this time. It may take years to create a new chassis to cover electric needs as far as I know. Thanks Again!
This one was really well presented. Lots of great facts and I don't think I heard the "T" word even once! How refreshing!
Thanks, Jordan - you know a lot and we appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us!
Cory/Jordan Nicely Done! Looking forward for more content, Learning a Lot about EV's
Awesome, thank you!
Really great to see the other team members too! When only Sandy is presenting, it feels like he is being pressed too hard and could easily step back, take a well-earned breather and let his well chosen younger colleagues do a round or two - like the current one!
Corey, you do a great job! Getting other members of the Munro team involved shows the depth of staff beyond Sandy. No diss on Sandy, I enjoy his frank and honest comments.
That guy looked like an intern but he confidently showed that he knows his stuff. It's fascinating to see how much EVs are built so differently: something as simple--compared to ICE--as a battery pack and a motor or two has a wide variety of implementations.
10 year intern
Terrific! It’s so great to see those people who work “behind the curtain,” so to speak. As was said, this is a team effort at Munro, and these videos are a great way to illustrate that.
Excellent Jordan/Cory. Those cables are a weak link.
Thank you all for bringing us all these insights. Great to see a passionated and committed team!
Great job, Jordan! Keep it up and thanks for all your work.
More concise than some of Sandy's presentations. Well done.
I could do with less "legacy" Sandy and more content like this, clear, informative, no bumbling and stumbling.
Jordan and Cory are such a great duo! So competent
I love Sandy but you guys and the other "new" faces have been so great and informative! Thanks for taking the time to put these videos together!
why has Munro Live been so enjoyable this week?
Once again Munro & Associates thanks to Corey Steuben for bringing out Mr Jordan Arocha allowing him to display to all of us the best that the company has to offer and shows us all that forward thinking in the workplace is something Munro at it's core believe in promoting the talent of their employee's.
Thanks again Corey, for pointing out the cabling on this EV. All I can comment is THANK GOD that BMW are not touting this as an off road capable vehicle!! Lord help anyone that snags one of those under body High Voltage Cables even under normal driving.
It is great that Sandy exhibits this much trust in delegating his workload, Hope that Sandy is having a fun time moving and taking some time off from the Grueling Schedule his new found fame has thrust upon him.. It is awesome that Corey steps up and takes charge which is exciting to see. Wish that all company President's took this as seriously as he does.
Very glad to see the team that makes Munro live. But Sandy still has the X-factor.
Nice to hear from some of those behind the scenes that make things happen. You obviously have a great team.
Gigantic cooling lines. Good for 150kw of heat.
Good presentation. Both working together well.
I had been considering one of these but thanks to you putting it in the air what I saw especially regarding the routing of the high voltage wires and cobbled together battery assembly there is no way. They shortcutted major critical items, what did they shortcut you cannot see....thanks again guys.
Very good idea to introduce characters. The content is most important
I think its worth mentioning in the video or comments that you removed the undercarriage protection guys, a lot of people in the comments seem to think the car is made with exposed components like in the video 🙄
It appears that most viewers of this video, who are mistakenly ranting about this being "bodged", "slapped together", or dangerous do not realize that the HV cables are completely covered by a full body length underbelly pan (removed prior to shooting video), that actually provides a smoother and more aerodynamic underbelly than the ICE mini. The HV cables are in fact not directly exposed to the outside, as most seem to believe. I think it would have been more accurate to provide viewers a look at the actual underside without the underbelly pan removed, rather than to simply point out the location of the HV cables as a negative without context. It would have also been more accurate and contextualized to point out that other BEV's, such as Tesla, route cabling in the exact same manner on the underside.
As soon as this video ended I went in the garage and looked under mine to see the very long and wide belly pan. I agree this video was a little bit misleading about what is actually out in the open and exposed. Love my MINI EV.
🤗 THANKS CORY AND JORDAN FOR SHARING THIS WITH US AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU MORE 👍
And we keep tipping the cashiers 😉😍😍😍
Can't wait for your guys tear down of the Lucid! 😃
Those exposed high voltage cables are a disaster in the making. I'm sure BMW will check these comments and realize notice has been served on that score.
If you think the expised hidh voltage cables ate disaster you better look under a model S plaid...you might change your mind...
The lines are inches above the stamped steel battery housing. And protected by the sealed under carriage. I suppose if you took this EV four wheeling and you got it high centered on a rock which first penetrated the steel battery housing, then the lines might be cut.
@@jayhawkeyes Please review the video at the 2:35 time stamp. Corey points out how exposed the high voltage cables are. There is no sealed under carriage noted. He was polite enough not to be critical of this finding, only because it was so obvious. I live in a rural community and with every wind storm that comes through, the roads can be littered with tree branches of various sizes and geometries. One of those can hook those cables and rip them loose, especially at night. Plus other types of road debris/hazards can have equally damaging results. I don't think a few wire ties are a good design, leaving the cables exposed to possible damage.
Since the Mini is British, I think everyone has missed the obvious point that they had the HV cabling designed by Lucas, the Prince of Darkness!
@@BillyLapTop i agree, Cory is a great presenter. I enjoy his style. I also agree... you wont be buying this car if you have branches of various geometry or probably even ROUS'es flying arround the neighborhood...
High voltage lines mounted with freaking tie wraps!!!
Nicely put together inspection of this ice car turned into an EV. It never occurred to me that the Mini would be such a low tech approach to an EV. Thanks.
I am sure people who convert EVs are really liking that drop end component package that drops right into the existing motor mounts.
People who are judging this harshly are forgetting this is a factory ICE to EV conversion and from the looks of it, a really good one. The batteries are mounted in the right spot for an EV and not just squeezed into cargo places.
I think BMW hit this out of the park. They can now offer EV minis that do not redesign the car in a way existing owners wouldn't like. The mach-e is a nice EV, but it is not a mustang and doesn't really appeal to many existing mustang owners. (on the flip size, EV camaros are converted by 3rd parties and they do appeal to existing owners)
BMW's last low range EV was the i3 which had less range and was over twice the price.
This mini-cooper EV is about $23k after the federal tax credit in the US and under $20k brand new in states with additional incentives.
This mini is a great commuter EV and the only real limitation is the smaller car size, but existing mini owners are already fine with the size of the car.
I hope this converts a lot of mini overs to EV.
Thanks Jordan!
Great, seeing new faces. Well done!
Thank you!
4:20 surprised he's mistaking torx fasteners for triple-square. Great take on this car, guys!
Always interesting. I have watched and enjoyed many of Muro's videos . He does not dumb down to us too much and seldom uses acronyms without explaining them. In the space of a few minutes I counted 7 in this video None of which I understood. EPDM, ED, MDH, EVE, PT, EAC, MBP? I know this is how pros talk, but if you want us laymen to watch, please use words. As an attorney, I always tried to under my audience and speak accordingly.
I do appreciate the work that goes into the videos. thanks
It's really great to see ppl who have knowledge, understating and can speak on facts on the topic. Jordan has the hallmarks of a great presenter, . In this case, it's interesting to see how haphazard the mini EV design appears. I believe the Mini EV was available before the BMW i3, so this is likely a compliance model to bridge the gap.
Excellent video work and commentary
Great video! Always nice to see new faces. Explanation of acronyms would help us laymen.
Very *Educational.* Thank's guys.
Rear cradle of the newest 5 and i believe 3 series are solid mounted to the body. (At least on the M models that i know of) It’s been a thing for a bit. But yes traditionally they are rubber isolated. Also yeah i noticed those lines are quite exposed and it seems they’re held on by plastic zip ties. I’d hope those don’t get brittle over time leaving those lines hanging down.
Always great content, and great people
I'm assuming they neglected to mention that there are black plastic covers that have already been removed so the undercarriage can be seen. Those covers are probably what you see at the very beginning of the video, flanking the vehicle lift.
Thanks for making us smarter
Our pleasure!
Extra interesting segment.
I’ve suggested this vehicle to a lot of people who don’t want a Tesla and do want a vehicle that is more entry level in price
I think this vehicle could work for the person who is retired or only has a moderately long commute. It’s super interesting to see how these compliance cars are built versus a pure electric from the ground up.
It looks like there’s a lot of compromise with these converted versions of the main stream vehicle however, it really seems like there is a lot of room for opportunity to use old designs if they could just re-package them more efficiently.
Still teasing us with the ID.4 in the background! Looking forward to those videos! (currently have a reservation on an id4 awd)
Thanks for affirming my switch off our Mini’s to Tesla!
I love you adding new people. Each has a slightly different approach. Admittedly, I’m a Ben fanboy, though.
Jordan = Gold !
I am going to look at the bright side. Given that it is almost same as the ICE car. Repairability would be much higher than a dedicated EV. Like the Bolt?
Well done... 👍
Thanks
Nice walk-through 👍
These exposed high voltage lines are a no go in the north. Hard snow will rip the lines.
Hi,
Were any undercarriage protections, both on the back and the front, removed before making the video?
Also, and just to be sure, there were not mechanical protection to the high power cables we see running under the cabin space?
Thanks!!!
Good job !!!
Thanks!!
Well done review and insight. I’m assuming that I saw mounting points for a cover panel at the front and rear that I don’t remember being mentioned. Especially in lieu of the fact that the high voltage lines are so exposed!
Another great video.
This is a nice touch. It is good to see that Manro has a deep bench of talent like Jordan. It speaks well of the company and it demonstrates that Sandy and the top management are focused on developing the talent within the firm. Nice going Jordan, hope to see more of you.
On another note, thus far I am not too impressed with the Mini. Looks more like a conversion from an ICE vehicle to an electric one.
Wouldn't mini owners like that this is basically a factory made EV conversion without changing the car much? People have been paying big bucks for EV conversions on niche vehicles. I would say shared platforms works for lower volume niche cars. The people who want minis can get a solid EV conversion with this for dirt cheap. The car costs $23,250 after the federal tax credit and under $20k if you live in a state with additional incentives. If you fit and like mini's this is a nice daily driver as 100mi of range should be good for nearly all daily commutes.
It’s good learning for us when you talk about the thinking that goes behind each component. It seems the automakers can constantly learn from each other and not keep making the boneheaded mistakes that causes unnecessary service, repairs and recalls. One would think all the kinks would have been worked out by now, yet we continue to suffer as consumers. Really glad that Tesla seems to be breaking the old lazy norms with its innovation. The new world order, innovate or perish. Munro is shining the light on the dark underbelly where the cockroaches can no longer hide. Excellent job 👍
This is basically a factory made EV conversion of an ICE model. Mini is lower volume and its owners likely like this more because it is a converted ICE and not a redesigned mini.
This car is higher quality and way cheaper than if you bought an ICE mini and paid someone to covert it to EV.
For what it is, I think this car is perfectly fine. It matches what owners want out of it and with 100mi, even in the US market it is usable for nearly all daily commutes.
If you live in the right state after EV incentives, this mini is can be under $20k brand new. This is what the i3 should have been. If you can fit, this mini is far better than the i3 with is silly gas range extender and cost of $50k. When you account for price, I think BMW actually did a good job here. When making lower volume cars with less range, you really don't need a ground up approach.
I consider the way they packaged the electronics into a frame package that drops in just like an engine would to be decent innovation.
This is likely BMW's best EV so far because it isn't overpriced and thus not a waste of money.
I.ve read a lot about Lucid and invested in the company because of their engineering. Hope their production execution.as good.
Nice. Very condensed and focussed. sadly.we don't have such a channel in Germany.
When those power cables release the magic smoke since wires are just pipes for smoke, hopefully they are easy to replace.
2:33 whoaa! thats crazy! i've thought of multiple problems arising from this in less than 10 seconds
How does the Mini cool it’s battery in hot weather?
Great video guys.
Glad you enjoyed it
The high voltage line is only around 12 guage, which means it has tons of nylon insulation. It looks sketchy, but it's not too bad.
Way to go buddy!