I own this vehicle as well as a Tesla. The Mini is far more fun to drive, and actually goes further than the EPA range, unlike the Tesla. It was a fraction of the price too and qualified for the federal $7500 credit. If I had to pick a favorite it would be the Mini.
@James Ziskend 130 to 145 miles for us. 130 miles with mixed highway and city, in the rain, temp 50-55F, with cabin heat on. 145 miles in nicer weather with similar driving.
Of course, there is always a guy saying he owns both, I own a RWD model 3 and I have driven the mini as a company car, it doesn't even come close, Tesla is much much better to drive.
I probably don't have the same sort of concerns when assessing it as Munro's but I've had my Mini Cooper SE a week and i'm very impresesd. Mainly because the driving experience is great. The whole car though is better than I was expecting from a car that isn't a ground up EV.
The criticisms of the car on this channel are ridiculous. The fact that it’s not ground-up EV or that it has some level of road noise and the back seat is small. I mean come on. Nothing has been said about the performance of the car. And the interior blows away most of what’s out there in 2021. It’s not meant for 500 mile road trips.
@@schmoab I think it’s because this channel focus on how the car is packaged and put together. Rather than the things a consumer might actually the bothered about. For example neither you or I care at all about how they’ve installed the motor under the bonnet, but it leaves them flabbergasted.
We love our electric mini. Base model has everything you need and is a little over 30k, plus factor in the $7500 tax credit, it’s a great price. Quick to charge every night, so range is no issue. We use wireless apple car play for maps, etc so don’t care about the infotainment. This car is not meant to be a competitor to Tesla, etc. It is in its own niche, two door small hatch around town car.
I think the price point is the thing that sells it. For commuting and a quick trip to grab shopping - it's going to be OK, but if you've got to drive any kind of distance, the crappy charging networks combined with the very short range of the car will make that miserable beyond belief. As was mentioned in the video - you can roll up to what you THINK will be a good place to charge and find that you can't...and once you're outside of a city, with only 10 miles of battery range left - you **NEED** that charger to work, and to work painlessly. If you run out of charge, you're going to need to call a tow truck. Also, it has a relatively poor top speed (93 mph) which means that overtaking at 80 or 85mph will be a miserable experience...so again, sucky for longer trips. But if it's an in-town car, then it needs better regenerative braking. For in-town, one-pedal-driving is AMAZING. If you're stuck in a 10 mile stop-start traffic jam and you're continually in that gas/brake/gas/brake cycle...it's uncomfortable...and you need regen to avoid eating into your (short) range availability in stop/start situations. To contrast that to a Tesla (which is, admittedly, a hell of a lot more expensive) is just no comparison. For road trips, with more range and a much MUCH better charging network, more top speed than you'll ever need and proper lane-centering steering (as standard) - you can drive a couple of thousand miles and still be comfortable. For in-town, I don't think the MINI wins (except on price). Tesla has better acceleration - and for such a large car, better handling too (I've been a long-time MINI owner - I know). In stop-start traffic, you just turn on the "cruise control" and auto-steer and the car does 100% of the work for you. Great regen and TRUE single-pedal driving makes driving in town a joy. So - yeah if you absolutely *NEVER* - not even once want to leave the city or have more than two people in the car - and if you can't afford the payments on a Tesla, then MAYBE the MINI might be a good choice. Bu that word *_"NEVER"_* is important here. Even if you only need to do one 300 mile trip a year - don't expect the MINI-SE to do it...it absolutely won't. My feeling is that if you have a Tesla - you could get the MINI as a cheap second car...but as your ONLY car...forget it...don't even consider it.
@James Ziskend 130 to 145 miles for us so far. But we never use the GOM (guess o meter) as it's extremely pessimistic. Usually deleting 20 to 30 miles of potential range fully charged, tapering down to a missing 10 miles down low on charge. We're running stock Hankook Ventus summer tires. Yesterday was sort of a stress test here in the Pacific Northwest, wet roads, raining, temperatures of 50 to 55F so we were running cabin heat. Mixed driving of highway and city with many, many quick sprints...... averaged 4.5 miles/kWh after driving 90 miles. (Arriving home with over 1/4 battery remaining). Nice weather + similar driving would hover around 5.0 miles / kWh, giving us 140+ miles per charge.n
I am from the UK and one of my customers is Amazon they insist you back in a parking spot. This is the safest way to park for you pedestrian and other cars not backing out into traffic or running over small children. There are so many reasons to back in from ease of postioning car to when another vehical reduces your egress.
That's the most compelling reason to buy a Tesla! So much easier to charge! Here in Europe and specifically the UK, charging is an absolute nightmare! To many providers with too many charging rates and too many different costs! And queues for a charger, when Tesla have much better simple coverage.
In the US we have a few large ones like Electrify America, and Charge point. Outside of that... I'm not too sure, but they both have membership costs to make the charging fees more reasonable, but I don't want to pay membership fees to multiple providers and hope they're a good option for me. I have a Tesla and have really only used Teslas unless there is a free charging option.
I would choose a competitive market over a duopoly any day. Here in the States we tend to have very little competition in almost every conceivable service. Leaving one to four major players dividing territory amongst themselves ensuring local monopolies without "technically" being a monopoly in the business. Which is why we lag behind, significantly at times, from other nations. From Utilities and healthcare, to anything that isn't part of the gig economy.
Backing in, can be a safety factor. Myself, I never front into a parking place. Backing out in a parking lane, can be hair raising. In fact in the UK if you drive a company car, you are required to back into parking.
It's a great little local car, though we have easily taken it on a 140 mile weekend trip. A 5 minute DC fast charge stop, or 20 minute level 2 stop, gave us the buffer to complete the trip. Highway efficiency is quite impressive, but we're comparing it to a Gen 2 Volt and Kia e-Niro. The Gen 2 Volt was great for the city, but suffered significantly on the highway in EV efficiency. The e-Niro is just bigger and heavier, explaining the thirstier highway efficiency. We're running Hankook Ventus Prime 3s (stock) on the Mini, a summer orientated tire. The Niro and Volt came with more efficient, low rolling resistant tires. Off the line acceleration is a bit lackluster in the mini compared to the almost 300 ft/lbs of torque in the Volt. But quickly makes up for it once up to speed. I'd argue the Mini has more passing power on the highway over the Volt and Niro. No option to coast in the Mini. An option that's available in the Niro and Volt. But one pedal driving is far more intuitive over any attempts to mimic such in the Niro or Volt.
Interestingly, I happen to own a 2018 Chevy Volt. not exactly sure what you were getting as to range? But mine gets 100 miles / 160 KM of range from May until the end of October. After that I get the rated range of 53 Miles / 85 KM. Maintenance is piddly considering the complexity of the vehicle. Oil changes once per year seems to be holding fine. Just replaced the brakes NOT because they needed changing but because after 155,000 KM I figured it was time. Safety is my concern. The mechanic however said those brakes are like new. I always use the paddle behind the steering wheel to slow down and never touched the brake pedal in the 4 years of owning this car. Or as the case may dictate that I needed to hold the car stopped at a traffic light or traffic / Stop sign.
@@spuddy4063 For the Volt, we usually saw 40 to 45 miles in the Minnesota winters when the vehicle was new. Nicer weather turned out 60 to 65 miles with mixed city and highway. But local, nice weather, driving turned out 75 miles at our best in Minnesota (2017 model). When comparing it to the larger and heavier Niro, the Volt would edge it out in efficiency at slower speed, but quickly fall behind above 50 MPH. Maybe that has to do with the gearing between the motor and axle, or the fact Volt uses two motors and a clutch set over the single motor of Niro and Mini....idk Loved the Volt though. One of the quietest vehicles we've owned.
@@spuddy4063 ...... also one of the smoothest vehicles we've owned. The natural regen braking between off pedal regen + brake pedal regen + steering pedal regen was flawless. Any use of the combination above was beautifully integrated to avoid jerky decelerations.... a trick I wish Kia used for the Niro. Mini didn't attempt such, they went with Tesla's approach where the brake pedal applies hydraulic brakes only, no blended regen braking with the brake pedal.
The decent distance/energy performance on the highway for the mini is mostly due to its small cross sectional area, not because it has a very good drag coefficient (0.3) or efficient motors, batteries or power management system. Lucid engineered the Air to have a relatively small cross sectional area to get better range. Obviously there are space and safety tradeoffs, but a small aerodynamic profile is one way to get better range at highway speeds.
Honest review of a converted ICE into a BEV. I hope the next generation will be designed from scratch as an EV, allowing in particular to get a larger battery.
Biased or not, Tesla experience is "it just works". Who wouldn't love that? It's not Munro's duty to force car manufacturers to fix every aspect of a EV vehicle. Would anyone be angry at Munro if they point out that an ICE vehicle is hard to fill?
Tesla works great if you like the Ipad Experience. I don't like Tesla's total absence of every useful button and dial. Give me the toggle switches on the Mini any day over the Telsa Ipad.
@@evanbrunton266 You are right, but usually You do not use every button before (or during) every trip. So like 20 dials, but You use 2 once a week and 18 once a year (or less). So maybe many buttons is just a thing from the past. I know how it felt when I moved from my old Toyota to new one. The car became transparent. I did set up temp, air wents and radio. And since then... Well sometimes I use the defog button. Every other button is obsolete.
It also looks horrible. Just to look different is also reminiscent of '50's American cars. Front drive is a deal breaker for me anyway, I'm only interested to see what's going on in the EV space, I like nothing about this car.
@@mikedx2706 the shape is fine. The fact that the *actual* screen is a stupid skinny thing that is no good for navigation is a problem. They could have put a square screen in there and been much better for navigation and menus. BMW flunked on this car.
@@andrasbiro3007 The round screen in the center reminds me of late 1940's to 1950's Dumont TV only Dumont used the whole screen and didn't black out the top and bottom 1/3 of the screen. A lot of cell phones have nearly that much screen and I think this screen would be hard to use in a car.
The vidiogragher's unwillingness to "charge at home" is curious as I'm sure he has no problem charging his smartphone overnight at home. It's a fear mindset that inhibits EV adootion.
Chargeport in front may not be ideal for snowy conditions. Slush and Ice can cause the door to freeze. Apart from all the mud accumulated will get your hands / gloves dirty. Lastly since many minor collisions / dings happen on the front bumper, the charging components can get damaged and a small knock on the front bumper can cause huge bills and cause car not to be able to charge.
Finally a male of typical height has to drive a vehicle meant for someone of a shorter height. We ladies experience the issue of the display being cut off by the steering wheel. It's either lower the steering wheel and cut off the speedometer or have gravity make our arms sore. Hopefully mounting the display like that helps those of typical female height be safer on the road. The shorter amount of space behind the driver's seat means they didn't think someone of a typical male height would want to drive this car and/or fit a passenger behind the driver's seat. Pair the two together and you can tell they designed the car for ladies without young children to kick the back of the seat. Hopefully the introduction of crash test dummies in typical female and children sizes will help vehicle makers to design beyond the typical male sizes. That would save many lives and make more comfortable vehicles in the process.
The business of the dashboard display being cut off by the steering wheel - and the related problem of not being able to see a traffic light when you're right up close to it because the top edge of the windshield gets in the way - are not unique to the electric MINI - every one of the regular-sized MINI Coopers have that exact same problem. The REAL difficulty here is about what exactly gets cut off. On the gas powered MINI, it's just the top edge of the tachometer and the speedometer - which really doesn't matter a damn. But the people who designed the display put critical information (your remaining range) up there where you can't see it...and that's a rather serious screwup. The design of this car really does seem to have been done in a hurry...they didn't spend much time thinking about it.
I have worked on crash test dummies in Europe where this car was designed, and there have been "tiny" dummies intended to represent different groups of the car users since forever. There's a "5% woman" which means the dummy is so small that only the smallest 5% of women are smaller than it, a "50%" man which is what you'd expect, and the "95% man", which is quite big and heavy. (There are also kid dummies as well ass special whiplash simulating dummies). The exact numbers for height and mass that these dummies are based on come from a while ago, so they don't reflect the rampant morbid obesity that the US is seeing, so that part is not very accurate; I don't think woman are shrinking in the US though so I assume the 5% woman dummy is still accurate enough.
10:00 I'm glad you're experiencing the frustration of using DC fast-charging stations This is a Tritium brand charger using ChargePoint software. With your ChargePoint app on your phone, just hold your phone to the )))) symbol on the charger and you should be able to start your charging session. But it's not intuitive because the instructions are not clear on the Tritium charger. I face this every time I go to charge my VW ID.4 wherever I go. There's no one charging standard and none of the systems for non-Tesla EVs seem to be plug it in and walk away.
I really was hoping that you would have had the Mini owner get in and drive first. It would have been great to see how intuitive this mini is to drive for an experienced mini owner and get his driving impressions before seeing you drive it.
As a never-had-one Mini observer, I'd like to see it from my perspective. Sorry for the selfishness. I'm glad to see the "never had sex" perspective rather than the porn star perspective.
You've got it back-the-front, the exercise is to see how unexperienced driver can quickly come to terms with, it defeats the purpose to put an experienced driver first don't you think. Like Sandy says, the test is like jumping into your never before driven car rental at the airport and to see how intuitive the car is.
Thank you Cory for another excellent video and allowing your team members to show off their talents as well as viewpoints from a different perspective.. Especially love the banter about the quirks of this vehicle. Gives confidence to people that may be searching for a vehicle type that this car falls into. Personally, this is not my cup of tea type of car as it is entirely situational and does not offer the fit that I require in my lifestyle. Not going to hold my breath on what Sandy will have to say about this thing. Probably not his first choice either, only saying this puts me in the same age bracket and that is saying a lot. Great Video and very comprehensive opinion's about a car that has been on the market for several years now. Range is somewhat disappointing though.
I have noticed most charger locations have no canopy over the vehicle. What happens when its pouring down rain and you open charging port door and all that water runs down on vehicle electrical connectors? Some how this seems to be not a good or safe thing. Most all gas stations have a roof of some kind so one will not be out in the elements and no electricity involved.
It's a good question but it seems to be a non-issue in practice. Main thing is the power doesn't come on until the charger has talked to the car and confirmed the connection. Probably some gaskets, drain holes, etc to help remove water when you plug in.
The first time I road tripped with my brand new EV this summer, I was caught in a torrential downpour. While plugging in my car at the Electrify America I had to stand in several inches of water. I just said a little prayer that this scenario went through testing by someone in R&D and that I would not get electrocuted while holding the 250kW charger.
@@PatrickVanNicePhotography I think these charger stations need to some kind of a roof over them like at a gas station. This electric car is just starting out now like when the first gas powered buggy came on the scene. Roads were very bad and gas stations were few and far between but it got better and so will whats going on now. Nice to hear from you.
I guess there could be a single charging cap, but the main reason for the bottom one is to keep it on when you are charging on a Level 2 charger (at home, +/- 90% of the time) to avoid debris to accumulate in the bottom connectors used only for fast charging (+/- 10% of the time). There is no such problem on a Tesla since there is only one connector for Level 2 and DC Fast Charging (at the expense of a proprietary connector).
It seemed like when you were spinning the steering wheel to back out, the center of rotation of the wheel was not at the center of the physical steering wheel. It created the impression of eccentric movement of the wheel during rotation.
@@ADOENDRA not every one. That's more of a BMW/Mercedes thing. And it sucks ergonomics-wise as you can't just raise your hand 1mm or just enough to break friction between the hand and the wheel to let the wheel return 180° back to straight - you have to raise it significantly or else it'd touch your hand again while turning. Also you can't just adjust the wheel height so that it's just over the dash, because it could still block the view when turned. Also it just looks awkward. And the only point of that is to raise the bottom of the wheel a bit so you would have more leg space when getting behind the wheel - that is not only needed to only a fraction of drivers, but also easily achieved by making the bottom-most part of the wheel flat, like VW does.
You shouldn't have to launch the Chargepoint app once you set it up the first time. If your NFC is on, just tap the phone/watch against the receiver on the terminal and go
@MarksOutta10 I think circular display is fine, but it should be a full display. They can do round displays these days there is no reason they couldn't do that. But yeah the tech is really something that pushed me away from Mini.
I have one in the UK and most I've gotten is 173 miles, without A/C (we rarely need it) and in green plus. I tend to drive in sport fairly hard and I see anywhere between 100 and 130 miles
@@jacobplatt3066 My commute has no motorways but is 70% dual carriageway at 60-70 and 30% 30 zone, doing the speed limit most of the time or maybe 10 over, not sure on my exact average by the dashboard but I'd say it would be around 45
@@jacobplatt3066 haven't done winter in it yet, car was registered in August 2021 so is the newer facelifted car with the 17 inch plug style wheels, I do expect a drop in range once the weather drops below 10c
They are run flats and probably 17" wheels with a 45 sidewall, so it is going to transmit every bump. Switch to either non-rfs or go 16" wheels with more sidewall.
@@dansburns RFT's are terrible, definitely kill the ride quality. I think one might be forced to use RFT's in this car as it doesn't even have an original tyre repair kit. My SE will delivered this week with 16 in tyres. I'll take some risk and try some (far) more efficient tyres like Continental EcoContact6 as it will improve both range and ride.
8:31 so true. Even though tech is the future of transport; it cant be allowed to become too complicated to operate. Simple, easy to understand, functions and user controls. I’m not tryin to fly the space shuttle. 😂
Maybe BMW and other cars makers need to have clinics for the public to drive the prototypes and get their feed-back, some do have clinics or at least used to and it's too late once the car is in production. The door mirrors should be replaced with cameras and a display inside thereby eliminating wind noise and not having to worry about them when parked, would also reduce weight and drag.
As an EV owner in Montreal, Canada, the charging experience is much nicer, reliable charging stations, more of them then Teslas. I'm betting in Europe it must be better than the US as well. Quebec manufacturers unfortunately can't make enough to match the demand, but the quality and reliability is better than most US ones
I appreciate that these are supposed to be “first impression” videos, but getting into any vehicle for the first time you will struggle to figure out where things are. I got in my Mercedes for the first time I had to pull off the highway just to change the radio. I have a Mini SE for the last year as well as a Tesla MY & M3. Of course they are all very different vehicles and cant be compared on range and power, however, I LOVE the Mini as it is very fun to drive around town.
I get the impression they had a lot of charge at the start of the video and were only going 3 miles. I think Tesla Bjorn did a longer drive and charge test.
I personally hate all the gigantic crossovers and SUVs and at least here in the US there is no small, light, fun to drive EV (the Model 3 isn't small). Sure, the range is low but as a second car for commuting and fun it's pretty ideal. What else could you get for under $20k? It's not going to be competitive in 3-4 years but for now, it fills an empty segment in the (US) market.
@@crsn00 The starting price point is listed at $29900. The Mini still qualifies for the fed $7500 tax credit & what ever state credits out there. The good thing is that there will be more choices for EV's in the future.
It's low cost, nimble, sporty, sharp looking. I'd say that's bringing a lot to the table. Of course, not being able to see traffic lights or the speedo or the map is problematic.
Always loved the Minis.. looking forward to a test drive in the SE though I doubt I would find it as practical as I did in my youthful days with the 2006 Cooper S :)
@@jacobplatt3066 - its a POS Compliance car , Model 3 is much SAFER in a Accident. how much is your LIFE worth ? BTW in 2020 a Stock TESLA model 3 won PIKES PEAK in their class. and SMOKING two other MODIFIFED model 3 .
You should have done a range test. Unlike Teslas it will go further than the EPA range. Nice to have a conservative estimate instead of an "absolute best case only" estimate.
All the drawbacks and shortcomings of an ICE Mini with none of the fun. Clearly just a compliance car, not a serious effort to make a contender in the EV marketplace.
Living in northern Maine. The only chargers within 200 miles of my house is tesla chargers. And still I wish the would put more in at different locations
Old video, but if I could jump back 3 years and comment I would. I have owned an SE for over 4 years. The regen is one of the strongest I have driven - but you need to have it in the strong mode. Secondly, it really is, bar none, the most fun to drive *on the road*. A Tesla will obliterate the MINI in a straight line if it is a dual motor. Around a corner, there isn't much better. So fun to drive. If you drive sensiblly, the WLTP range is achievable every day of the week, and drive like a grandmother (no disrespect for grandmothers :) ) you can obliterate the US EPA range. My record is 270km of really boring driving (about 170 miles). In 4 years I have done this once to see what I could do. Never again - this thing is so much fun to drive, so eco driving goes out the window. I have track day tyres which make it corner even better, at a cost of about 10% range. I don't care about the range. How far can an actual go kart go on one tank? Overall a fun review, but maybe a few technical discrepancies (from my experience anyway). For the record, I have a lot of experience with the 3 and y, and a little in the s. Anyone saying the 3 drives better really doesn't know much about cars :)
When other people are around it seems like Cory is often hesitant or not comfortable to ask the viewers to subscribe. Don't overthink it boss, totally normal thing to do in a video! Alternatively, you may just get your editor to put a little graphic near the end of each video reminding viewers to subscribe so you don't have to say it.
Ever hear that TESLA is more than a car company? Well they are, TESLA just so happens to own Space X and a multitude of other tech advanced corporations. Other manufacturers do not even have a chance of competing in the same league as TESLA. Sandy Munro has stated many times that TESLA are at least 5 - 10 years ahead of the others because of their views on technology and applying cross company advancements. THAT'S WHY...
@@cadriver2570 The sound is up to the Driver to implement or deal with TESLA want the end user to have some input as to modifying their cars after all. And just so you know I do not own a TESLA nor am I a fan boy of the company. I simply love the concept behind EV's and what they can do for all of us. Just that some seem to lead better than others though. And for now that does seem to be where TESLA is, at the moment.
@@spuddy4063 your reply is nonsensical. Tesla interiors are way too noisy at speed, and their build quality is poor. They are way behind other companies in those areas.
@@cadriver2570 While that may be somewhat true, your reply boast of being against anything that is TESLA related. Is essentially what TESLA is doing to promote the EV industry. Your nit picking attitude does in fact lack any foresight into what is happening in the EV industry at large. SO, YES they lack in some area's but, don't forget that the OTHER car companies have been polluting the planet and looking ONLY after their own self interests for over 100 years. TESLA have been building cars for less that a decade and a half. I guess your nit picking liken's you to a TESLA short seller. People that cannot appreciate that TESLA is more than a car company because Elon Musk is the CEO of other companies that are all profitable and NOW TESLA also falls into that Profitable box. Are simply put; people that do not recognize their deficient nature and what they are talking about.
Arm rests. (random thought) I used to always use them, and I was a distance swimmer and my shoulders always hurt. (I somehow forgot that my shoulders had always ached a little). It wasn't the swimming - - it was arm rests. Somewhere someone said, 'Shoulders hurt? Don't use arm rests.' So I tried that - no more shoulder pain. Has anyone at Munro done any kind of a deep dive on arm rests? (I buy new office chair, the arm rests go straight up - never use them)
Good point. I use a machine with an attachment on it that means I have to lean to one side. My shoulder was killing me as I was slightly hunched up on the arm rest. I put an old pillow on my seat raising my position so not to be hunched up and no pain.
I owned a gas mini. Fun commmute car. Glad u showed charging experience. CCS is the standard in Europe. USA is not standardized for charging with adapters needed. CCS should be the standard USA. Not sure about China. My model X has free supercharging but never used as fly when travel. I also own solar panels at home. Save $500/month on gas and home electricity
CCS is the standard in the U.S. Not enforced here, but clearly the path ALL OEMs are on. Just a matter of time before Tesla swaps over, their Tesla plug is becoming the minority worldwide, if not already. And will eventually become the minority in the U.S. as CCS ramps up
Honestly, the vehicle is far quieter over the Kia e-Niro on the highway, from our personal experience. Mini is delivering this vehicle with multiple tire brands, not sure why. We have the Hankook Ventus Prime 3s on ours (stock). Worlds quieter over the Niro on the highway.
@@raymondschembri5042 it could be either, based upon the method by which pneumatic potential energy is converted to rotational energy (via rotational turbine or reciprocating mechanical structures).
I'm not an electric vehicle owner or driver, but I worked in the auto industry for many years. From what I've learned on this channel, you have demonstrated that Tesla is far and away the leader in the industry, and as Sandy says, at least 5 years ahead of the rest.
HI CORY AND PAUL, GOOD SHOW!! ( sorry Paul, I guess that means something different in your "Native" Tongue!! at least I didn't say "JOLLEY"!! ). This is SO OBVIOUSLY a CHEAP gas engined car to electric "Compliance" car conversion it's REALLY RIDICULOUS!! YES CORY!! I agree, the fact that the instrument panel has a Satin Finish, and the rest of the dash has Piano Gloss Black Finish looks SO CHEAP AND UNHARMONIOUS!!! (that a real word?? And I was hoping the extra weight of the battery pack would soften up the ride a lot, WRONG AGAIN!! WELL, at LEAST it still goes and handles good!!! YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB FILLING IN FOR SANDY!! ( we'll still welcome him back, though!! ). THANKS!! HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND!!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.
if it is taking 30 sec to setup navigation system, this car won't be in list for sure :) Screen design is horrible!!! How can you design something like this?
oooh...what's that whine while they were charging? Was it audible or just interference within the camera? I'm pretty deaf in the mid range but man, that one made my ears ring.
The reasonable price is the only compelling feature about this car, though the range would be fine for most commuters if it weren't for so much range anxiety in the U.S. Even still, I would not own a modern Mini Cooper as their long-term maintenance costs and reliability have proven to be poor. The Prius, Camry, and Civic generally top the list for reliability and maintenance over the last couple decades with the Mini dragging near the bottom for consumer cars. To be honest, this has soured my opinion of all BMW's. I'd love to have an original Mini Cooper, but not a modern one.
If all employers started building Charing stations at the jobs it would make this car more compelling but that's going to take a minute. A lot of place have started 2 though.
Hopefully most charging locations are covered, I wouldn't want to have to stop to charge during a tropical storm in Florida. Even fully covered gas stations can allow in a lot of rain.
😎 WIVE HAS A MINI CLUBMAN AND LOVES IT she’s 5’2” 😍 she even lets me ride in it 😉😂 at 6’ and 250 lbs I can’t drive it 😊 that’s not a problem we knew that when we bought it😉 It’s nice you let PAUL drive it since he paid for the fuel😂😉😍😍 We will keep tipping the cashiers 😍😍😍
Navigation looks like prehistoric Tom Tom😂 You guys always complain about backing in to charge spots……..why?……..Back in/back out is inevitable till we get drive through stations. I’ll bet if you Munro this problem, Backing in to charge spot, FIRST, is safer😎 And I can tell you why!
I am told that the Mach-e 's knob is glued onto the screen meaning nothing fro the knob goes through the display, is this correct or have I misunderstood something?
@@casperhansen826 I’m not sure. That would make more sense than a custom LCD panel, but it would be better to mount the knob separately below the display.
I'd love to replace my Cooper S with a Mini SE, but this generation has too many compromises. I'll wait and compare the next gen Mini SE with the Tesla hatchback.
Liquid active cooling and heating. There's a heat pump for the cabin, not sure if the heat pump is used for battery cooling. May be resistive heating only.
Great video, I am not impressed with this car in the slightest. BMW needs to try much harder with their next iteration. This seems like a compliance thing they just kicked out as an afterthought. That or the EV team was given a tiny budget, BMW needs to really commit to do an EV Mini well. This just barely passes the class.
Actually, this is probably one of the best pieces of engineering you are ever likely to see. Being able to choose diesel, petrol or electric in real time on a production line is inspired. They also, unlike almost every other manufacturer, prioritised driving experience over range. They could have packed the boot out with batteries and doubled the range, but you would then have a heavy car which doesn't feel like a MINI. In it's intended environment (city) it is peerless. Due to its size and weight, it is one of the most efficient EVs you can get. You should go have a test drive of one, they are awesome little cars. Don't judge the range or efficiency by EPA numbers - they are out by about 30% (from experience).
My first car was a 1964 Austin Mini with a range of around 220-250 miles per 5.5 imperial gallon tankful. It was spartan and absurdly cheap. This BMW is not cheap, nor does it have a good range. Plus, I would argue whether it has much of the cute and coolness of an original Mini. For an EV, BMW need to design a completely new car.
@@dansburns Yep, and it's better than the Mini. But it isn't a Mini. Neither is this Mini. Fiat did a better job with their 500 recreation, even if it is twice the size of the original, it still has all the cheeky cuteness. Plus it makes for a good EV.
I’ve always wondered what Minis are like (they’re expensive in Australia). Now that I’ve seen this my interest level has dropped to zero. Those displays, the cramped back, and not even fun to drive. Yuck. But I have a Tesla so you can’t trust anything I say 😉
Yes Cody, why buy a four seater when only two can be used . Same I drive a M3 and when the MY is availble with 4680 in Australia I get one for the misses.
Since the Cooper SE is basically a mashup-Mini platform + i3 drivetrain-I wish Paul had contrasted the two vehicles more. I’ve leased a 2014 and 2017 i3. Now that BMW has stopped producing the US-spec i3, I’m weighing whether to scrounge remaining i3 immediately or buy a Mini Cooper SE if I start commuting again in 2022. With the Bolt off the table and no other manufactures offering city cars in the US, I don’t see any other options.
The mini is the latest i3s internals and it is such a fun drive if you want it to be. Not sure why many put it down when id take a mini over many other cars out there
The Mini is a blast. It’s a better drive than any of the cheaper EVs like the Bolt. Far different flavor of car than the i3 despite both being BMW products. Check out some real reviews, and the real world range tests which exceed the EPA range.
Sure, the charging network for Tesla is flawless. That’s why the model Y is 65k (plus destination and tax). I have a mini SE on order and it’ll be 27k after the tax credit. I’m also keeping my used Tacoma that I got for 15k for off road adventures. They’re both cheap to insure and I’m 23k UNDER THE MODEL Y. I’d rather take that savings and get a solar array on my house. I owned a BMW i3 for 3 years and never came close to using its 80 mile range in a day. The handful of road trips (maybe 3 over 3 years) were taken in my girlfriends car. We flew everywhere else. If you’re regularly on freeways covering over 100 miles to and from destinations then definitely get a Tesla. If you’re not in the car 20 hours a week like most of us then get an efficient run about that’s not carrying all of the extra weight that you’ll rarely use. Even if I had a Lucid Air with a 500 mile range I’d still rent a hybrid for a really long road trip. DC fast charging costs are not that much cheaper than gas and I just want to go wherever when exploring and not have to think at all about a charging network.
People need to realize that buying any of these EVs, with the user experience they offer, is like buying a blackberry when the iPhone was already released. They feel awkward and don't offer the features that a smart car has nowadays (AKA any Tesla available).
Except the 3 & Y have a fabulous, large centre screen which makes “add on” screens a ludicrous option. The only thing I added to my 3’s screen was the pivot, made by Matt on “tech forum”, awesome piece of gear.
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I own this vehicle as well as a Tesla. The Mini is far more fun to drive, and actually goes further than the EPA range, unlike the Tesla. It was a fraction of the price too and qualified for the federal $7500 credit.
If I had to pick a favorite it would be the Mini.
@James Ziskend 130 miles on average.
@James Ziskend
130 to 145 miles for us.
130 miles with mixed highway and city, in the rain, temp 50-55F, with cabin heat on. 145 miles in nicer weather with similar driving.
Of course, there is always a guy saying he owns both, I own a RWD model 3 and I have driven the mini as a company car, it doesn't even come close, Tesla is much much better to drive.
I probably don't have the same sort of concerns when assessing it as Munro's but I've had my Mini Cooper SE a week and i'm very impresesd. Mainly because the driving experience is great. The whole car though is better than I was expecting from a car that isn't a ground up EV.
The criticisms of the car on this channel are ridiculous. The fact that it’s not ground-up EV or that it has some level of road noise and the back seat is small. I mean come on. Nothing has been said about the performance of the car. And the interior blows away most of what’s out there in 2021. It’s not meant for 500 mile road trips.
@@schmoab I think it’s because this channel focus on how the car is packaged and put together. Rather than the things a consumer might actually the bothered about. For example neither you or I care at all about how they’ve installed the motor under the bonnet, but it leaves them flabbergasted.
We love our electric mini. Base model has everything you need and is a little over 30k, plus factor in the $7500 tax credit, it’s a great price. Quick to charge every night, so range is no issue. We use wireless apple car play for maps, etc so don’t care about the infotainment. This car is not meant to be a competitor to Tesla, etc. It is in its own niche, two door small hatch around town car.
I think the price point is the thing that sells it. For commuting and a quick trip to grab shopping - it's going to be OK, but if you've got to drive any kind of distance, the crappy charging networks combined with the very short range of the car will make that miserable beyond belief. As was mentioned in the video - you can roll up to what you THINK will be a good place to charge and find that you can't...and once you're outside of a city, with only 10 miles of battery range left - you **NEED** that charger to work, and to work painlessly. If you run out of charge, you're going to need to call a tow truck. Also, it has a relatively poor top speed (93 mph) which means that overtaking at 80 or 85mph will be a miserable experience...so again, sucky for longer trips.
But if it's an in-town car, then it needs better regenerative braking. For in-town, one-pedal-driving is AMAZING. If you're stuck in a 10 mile stop-start traffic jam and you're continually in that gas/brake/gas/brake cycle...it's uncomfortable...and you need regen to avoid eating into your (short) range availability in stop/start situations.
To contrast that to a Tesla (which is, admittedly, a hell of a lot more expensive) is just no comparison. For road trips, with more range and a much MUCH better charging network, more top speed than you'll ever need and proper lane-centering steering (as standard) - you can drive a couple of thousand miles and still be comfortable. For in-town, I don't think the MINI wins (except on price). Tesla has better acceleration - and for such a large car, better handling too (I've been a long-time MINI owner - I know). In stop-start traffic, you just turn on the "cruise control" and auto-steer and the car does 100% of the work for you. Great regen and TRUE single-pedal driving makes driving in town a joy.
So - yeah if you absolutely *NEVER* - not even once want to leave the city or have more than two people in the car - and if you can't afford the payments on a Tesla, then MAYBE the MINI might be a good choice. Bu that word *_"NEVER"_* is important here. Even if you only need to do one 300 mile trip a year - don't expect the MINI-SE to do it...it absolutely won't.
My feeling is that if you have a Tesla - you could get the MINI as a cheap second car...but as your ONLY car...forget it...don't even consider it.
@James Ziskend 240 miles (Tesla Model 3, Standard Range Plus...the cheapest car with the shortest range that Tesla currently make)
@James Ziskend
130 to 145 miles for us so far. But we never use the GOM (guess o meter) as it's extremely pessimistic. Usually deleting 20 to 30 miles of potential range fully charged, tapering down to a missing 10 miles down low on charge.
We're running stock Hankook Ventus summer tires. Yesterday was sort of a stress test here in the Pacific Northwest, wet roads, raining, temperatures of 50 to 55F so we were running cabin heat. Mixed driving of highway and city with many, many quick sprints...... averaged 4.5 miles/kWh after driving 90 miles. (Arriving home with over 1/4 battery remaining).
Nice weather + similar driving would hover around 5.0 miles / kWh, giving us 140+ miles per charge.n
Its the perfect companion car to out Tesla model Y
I am from the UK and one of my customers is Amazon they insist you back in a parking spot. This is the safest way to park for you pedestrian and other cars not backing out into traffic or running over small children. There are so many reasons to back in from ease of postioning car to when another vehical reduces your egress.
Another good video, thanks Munro Team!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I see Sandy's Rubicon... Cory your doing a great job, thanks for getting out the content.
That's the most compelling reason to buy a Tesla! So much easier to charge! Here in Europe and specifically the UK, charging is an absolute nightmare! To many providers with too many charging rates and too many different costs! And queues for a charger, when Tesla have much better simple coverage.
You would think that would not be so hard to sort out...why not tie it in to the transmitter we pay tolls with?
In the US we have a few large ones like Electrify America, and Charge point. Outside of that... I'm not too sure, but they both have membership costs to make the charging fees more reasonable, but I don't want to pay membership fees to multiple providers and hope they're a good option for me.
I have a Tesla and have really only used Teslas unless there is a free charging option.
In my little world around Stourbridge UK, Tesla is the market leader in electric vehicles and the only one I would consider if I were to purchase one.
I would choose a competitive market over a duopoly any day. Here in the States we tend to have very little competition in almost every conceivable service. Leaving one to four major players dividing territory amongst themselves ensuring local monopolies without "technically" being a monopoly in the business. Which is why we lag behind, significantly at times, from other nations. From Utilities and healthcare, to anything that isn't part of the gig economy.
Backing in, can be a safety factor. Myself, I never front into a parking place. Backing out in a parking lane, can be hair raising. In fact in the UK if you drive a company car, you are required to back into parking.
It's a great little local car, though we have easily taken it on a 140 mile weekend trip. A 5 minute DC fast charge stop, or 20 minute level 2 stop, gave us the buffer to complete the trip.
Highway efficiency is quite impressive, but we're comparing it to a Gen 2 Volt and Kia e-Niro. The Gen 2 Volt was great for the city, but suffered significantly on the highway in EV efficiency. The e-Niro is just bigger and heavier, explaining the thirstier highway efficiency. We're running Hankook Ventus Prime 3s (stock) on the Mini, a summer orientated tire. The Niro and Volt came with more efficient, low rolling resistant tires.
Off the line acceleration is a bit lackluster in the mini compared to the almost 300 ft/lbs of torque in the Volt. But quickly makes up for it once up to speed. I'd argue the Mini has more passing power on the highway over the Volt and Niro.
No option to coast in the Mini. An option that's available in the Niro and Volt. But one pedal driving is far more intuitive over any attempts to mimic such in the Niro or Volt.
Interestingly, I happen to own a 2018 Chevy Volt. not exactly sure what you were getting as to range? But mine gets 100 miles / 160 KM of range from May until the end of October. After that I get the rated range of 53 Miles / 85 KM.
Maintenance is piddly considering the complexity of the vehicle. Oil changes once per year seems to be holding fine. Just replaced the brakes NOT because they needed changing but because after 155,000 KM I figured it was time. Safety is my concern. The mechanic however said those brakes are like new.
I always use the paddle behind the steering wheel to slow down and never touched the brake pedal in the 4 years of owning this car. Or as the case may dictate that I needed to hold the car stopped at a traffic light or traffic / Stop sign.
@@spuddy4063
For the Volt, we usually saw 40 to 45 miles in the Minnesota winters when the vehicle was new. Nicer weather turned out 60 to 65 miles with mixed city and highway. But local, nice weather, driving turned out 75 miles at our best in Minnesota (2017 model). When comparing it to the larger and heavier Niro, the Volt would edge it out in efficiency at slower speed, but quickly fall behind above 50 MPH. Maybe that has to do with the gearing between the motor and axle, or the fact Volt uses two motors and a clutch set over the single motor of Niro and Mini....idk
Loved the Volt though. One of the quietest vehicles we've owned.
@@spuddy4063
...... also one of the smoothest vehicles we've owned. The natural regen braking between off pedal regen + brake pedal regen + steering pedal regen was flawless. Any use of the combination above was beautifully integrated to avoid jerky decelerations.... a trick I wish Kia used for the Niro. Mini didn't attempt such, they went with Tesla's approach where the brake pedal applies hydraulic brakes only, no blended regen braking with the brake pedal.
The decent distance/energy performance on the highway for the mini is mostly due to its small cross sectional area, not because it has a very good drag coefficient (0.3) or efficient motors, batteries or power management system. Lucid engineered the Air to have a relatively small cross sectional area to get better range. Obviously there are space and safety tradeoffs, but a small aerodynamic profile is one way to get better range at highway speeds.
Honest review of a converted ICE into a BEV.
I hope the next generation will be designed from scratch as an EV, allowing in particular to get a larger battery.
HOW ? BMW does not even understand EV in general.
@@markplott4820 lot, true
They have to extract every dollar value out of their current plant and equipment and inventory used in making ICE cars first.
They already did. They called it the i3.
Biased or not, Tesla experience is "it just works". Who wouldn't love that? It's not Munro's duty to force car manufacturers to fix every aspect of a EV vehicle. Would anyone be angry at Munro if they point out that an ICE vehicle is hard to fill?
Tesla works great if you like the Ipad Experience. I don't like Tesla's total absence of every useful button and dial. Give me the toggle switches on the Mini any day over the Telsa Ipad.
@@evanbrunton266 You are right, but usually You do not use every button before (or during) every trip. So like 20 dials, but You use 2 once a week and 18 once a year (or less). So maybe many buttons is just a thing from the past. I know how it felt when I moved from my old Toyota to new one. The car became transparent. I did set up temp, air wents and radio. And since then... Well sometimes I use the defog button. Every other button is obsolete.
“Would you like a car wash?”
sandys commentary is so much needed
The fishbowl center screen reminds me of a 1950's TV. All the space is wasted.
But looks cool. Would be fun with a full retro theme, like the Fallout games.
It also looks horrible. Just to look different is also reminiscent of '50's American cars. Front drive is a deal breaker for me anyway, I'm only interested to see what's going on in the EV space, I like nothing about this car.
That center screen design has been a Mini design since the R53 models came out in early 2000’s, and is meant to mimic the original Mini Coopers.
@@mikedx2706 the shape is fine. The fact that the *actual* screen is a stupid skinny thing that is no good for navigation is a problem. They could have put a square screen in there and been much better for navigation and menus. BMW flunked on this car.
@@andrasbiro3007 The round screen in the center reminds me of late 1940's to 1950's Dumont TV
only Dumont used the whole screen and didn't black out the top and bottom 1/3 of the screen.
A lot of cell phones have nearly that much screen and I think this screen would be hard to use
in a car.
The screen shape is so retro. It's begging for a Fallout theme.
The vidiogragher's unwillingness to "charge at home" is curious as I'm sure he has no problem charging his smartphone overnight at home. It's a fear mindset that inhibits EV adootion.
The videographer also had plans that weekend and wasn’t going to be driving the mini so it was pointless to drive it home just to sit in the driveway.
He couldn't fit the car thru his apartment door.
Thank You, looking forward to your impression of the new Lucid
You and me both!
LUCID motors is a SPECTACULAR FRAUD.
do your own Research.
It's ALLEGED that LUCID used a TESLA model S platform to power the Lucid Air.
@@MunroLive The power train with planetary gear set looks interesting
@@markplott4820 WOW, that would be spectacular. their 900 volt powertrain with planetary gear set looks very interesting
Lucid will have to make some cars, first.
Chargeport in front may not be ideal for snowy conditions. Slush and Ice can cause the door to freeze. Apart from all the mud accumulated will get your hands / gloves dirty.
Lastly since many minor collisions / dings happen on the front bumper, the charging components can get damaged and a small knock on the front bumper can cause huge bills and cause car not to be able to charge.
they probably don't really mean the front center of the car. some makers have put the port on the front fender near the driver/passenger door.
@@jm100368 Oh I see. My bad. I misunderstood. That could be another useful spot.
Yes, 5% of the time it may be less convenient than on back side. 95% > 5%.
Great job, guys.
Finally a male of typical height has to drive a vehicle meant for someone of a shorter height.
We ladies experience the issue of the display being cut off by the steering wheel. It's either lower the steering wheel and cut off the speedometer or have gravity make our arms sore. Hopefully mounting the display like that helps those of typical female height be safer on the road.
The shorter amount of space behind the driver's seat means they didn't think someone of a typical male height would want to drive this car and/or fit a passenger behind the driver's seat.
Pair the two together and you can tell they designed the car for ladies without young children to kick the back of the seat.
Hopefully the introduction of crash test dummies in typical female and children sizes will help vehicle makers to design beyond the typical male sizes. That would save many lives and make more comfortable vehicles in the process.
The business of the dashboard display being cut off by the steering wheel - and the related problem of not being able to see a traffic light when you're right up close to it because the top edge of the windshield gets in the way - are not unique to the electric MINI - every one of the regular-sized MINI Coopers have that exact same problem. The REAL difficulty here is about what exactly gets cut off. On the gas powered MINI, it's just the top edge of the tachometer and the speedometer - which really doesn't matter a damn. But the people who designed the display put critical information (your remaining range) up there where you can't see it...and that's a rather serious screwup.
The design of this car really does seem to have been done in a hurry...they didn't spend much time thinking about it.
I have worked on crash test dummies in Europe where this car was designed, and there have been "tiny" dummies intended to represent different groups of the car users since forever. There's a "5% woman" which means the dummy is so small that only the smallest 5% of women are smaller than it, a "50%" man which is what you'd expect, and the "95% man", which is quite big and heavy. (There are also kid dummies as well ass special whiplash simulating dummies). The exact numbers for height and mass that these dummies are based on come from a while ago, so they don't reflect the rampant morbid obesity that the US is seeing, so that part is not very accurate; I don't think woman are shrinking in the US though so I assume the 5% woman dummy is still accurate enough.
10:00 I'm glad you're experiencing the frustration of using DC fast-charging stations This is a Tritium brand charger using ChargePoint software. With your ChargePoint app on your phone, just hold your phone to the )))) symbol on the charger and you should be able to start your charging session. But it's not intuitive because the instructions are not clear on the Tritium charger. I face this every time I go to charge my VW ID.4 wherever I go. There's no one charging standard and none of the systems for non-Tesla EVs seem to be plug it in and walk away.
Dear gawd the sound that charger makes is EAR PIERCING!
I've used them for years in New Zealand, no need for therapy, done me no halm...
I really was hoping that you would have had the Mini owner get in and drive first. It would have been great to see how intuitive this mini is to drive for an experienced mini owner and get his driving impressions before seeing you drive it.
As a never-had-one Mini observer, I'd like to see it from my perspective. Sorry for the selfishness. I'm glad to see the "never had sex" perspective rather than the porn star perspective.
You've got it back-the-front, the exercise is to see how unexperienced driver can quickly come to terms with, it defeats the purpose to put an experienced driver first don't you think. Like Sandy says, the test is like jumping into your never before driven car rental at the airport and to see how intuitive the car is.
Thank you Cory for another excellent video and allowing your team members to show off their talents as well as viewpoints from a different perspective.. Especially love the banter about the quirks of this vehicle. Gives confidence to people that may be searching for a vehicle type that this car falls into.
Personally, this is not my cup of tea type of car as it is entirely situational and does not offer the fit that I require in my lifestyle. Not going to hold my breath on what Sandy will have to say about this thing. Probably not his first choice either, only saying this puts me in the same age bracket and that is saying a lot.
Great Video and very comprehensive opinion's about a car that has been on the market for several years now. Range is somewhat disappointing though.
I have noticed most charger locations have no canopy over the vehicle. What happens when its pouring down rain and you open charging port door and all that water runs down on vehicle electrical connectors? Some how this seems to be not a good or safe thing. Most all gas stations have a roof of some kind so one will not be out in the elements and no electricity involved.
It's a good question but it seems to be a non-issue in practice. Main thing is the power doesn't come on until the charger has talked to the car and confirmed the connection. Probably some gaskets, drain holes, etc to help remove water when you plug in.
The first time I road tripped with my brand new EV this summer, I was caught in a torrential downpour. While plugging in my car at the Electrify America I had to stand in several inches of water. I just said a little prayer that this scenario went through testing by someone in R&D and that I would not get electrocuted while holding the 250kW charger.
@@PatrickVanNicePhotography I think these charger stations need to some kind of a roof over them like at a gas station. This electric car is just starting out now like when the first gas powered buggy came on the scene. Roads were very bad and gas stations were few and far between but it got better and so will whats going on now. Nice to hear from you.
*NICE* Cool to see UK bloke represent.. *Paul Moe Lester* good episode
I guess there could be a single charging cap, but the main reason for the bottom one is to keep it on when you are charging on a Level 2 charger (at home, +/- 90% of the time) to avoid debris to accumulate in the bottom connectors used only for fast charging (+/- 10% of the time). There is no such problem on a Tesla since there is only one connector for Level 2 and DC Fast Charging (at the expense of a proprietary connector).
I've tested the mini se. It's fun to drive, but the terrible cost/range ratio makes it a no-go.
You can get the Mini SE for 20K in the US after rebates. How is that a terrible cost?
@@evanbrunton266 not in europe. It's over 36k euros for the most basic one which is a lot here. We don't have the same incentives.
It seemed like when you were spinning the steering wheel to back out, the center of rotation of the wheel was not at the center of the physical steering wheel. It created the impression of eccentric movement of the wheel during rotation.
Good catch!
This is now true in many automobiles. Look at a few vehicles and see if you notice it. The offset does vary and sometimes it's hardly noticeable.
Like with every car. Ergonomics
@@ADOENDRA not every one. That's more of a BMW/Mercedes thing. And it sucks ergonomics-wise as you can't just raise your hand 1mm or just enough to break friction between the hand and the wheel to let the wheel return 180° back to straight - you have to raise it significantly or else it'd touch your hand again while turning. Also you can't just adjust the wheel height so that it's just over the dash, because it could still block the view when turned. Also it just looks awkward. And the only point of that is to raise the bottom of the wheel a bit so you would have more leg space when getting behind the wheel - that is not only needed to only a fraction of drivers, but also easily achieved by making the bottom-most part of the wheel flat, like VW does.
It isn't just the impression if it's *actually* eccentric.
You don’t have to launch the Charge Point app on a phone to start charging, just scan with the phone.
Good luck FINDING a CP that is working.
@@markplott4820 Electrify America & EVGo seem to be less reliable currently
@@markplott4820 But about half the CPs you can’t read the sun damaged screen & the output is so low it’s hardly worth your time.😬
"Will it just keep going"
"Occasionally"
😂
You shouldn't have to launch the Chargepoint app once you set it up the first time. If your NFC is on, just tap the phone/watch against the receiver on the terminal and go
Looks like a fun car. Not sure how many people can afford to have such a short range vehicle and a second car for longer trips.
Mini should ditch the circular display.
Its a throw back to the old analogue gauge we get it but ffs just put in a square screen and be done with it.
Tesla should ditch the giant Ipad. I don't want to reach up to the Tesla Ipad to configure everything on my vehicle.
@MarksOutta10 I think circular display is fine, but it should be a full display. They can do round displays these days there is no reason they couldn't do that.
But yeah the tech is really something that pushed me away from Mini.
Other channels are getting over 100 miles of range out of the Mini, so a 60 mile round trip should pose no charging issue.
I have one in the UK and most I've gotten is 173 miles, without A/C (we rarely need it) and in green plus. I tend to drive in sport fairly hard and I see anywhere between 100 and 130 miles
@@drewhender3999 whats your average speed? Im looking at one but not sure on the mileage i would achieve. Mostly 70s motorways but about 20% 30s
@@jacobplatt3066 My commute has no motorways but is 70% dual carriageway at 60-70 and 30% 30 zone, doing the speed limit most of the time or maybe 10 over, not sure on my exact average by the dashboard but I'd say it would be around 45
@@drewhender3999 Okay so not too far off me then. Have you spent a winter in it yet? Or do you own the 2022 model
@@jacobplatt3066 haven't done winter in it yet, car was registered in August 2021 so is the newer facelifted car with the 17 inch plug style wheels, I do expect a drop in range once the weather drops below 10c
Could the tire noise be due to a hard rolling compound to stretch the mileage?
They are run flats and probably 17" wheels with a 45 sidewall, so it is going to transmit every bump. Switch to either non-rfs or go 16" wheels with more sidewall.
@@dansburns RFT's are terrible, definitely kill the ride quality. I think one might be forced to use RFT's in this car as it doesn't even have an original tyre repair kit. My SE will delivered this week with 16 in tyres. I'll take some risk and try some (far) more efficient tyres like Continental EcoContact6 as it will improve both range and ride.
Thanks guys.
Our pleasure!
8:31 so true. Even though tech is the future of transport; it cant be allowed to become too complicated to operate. Simple, easy to understand, functions and user controls. I’m not tryin to fly the space shuttle. 😂
Maybe BMW and other cars makers need to have clinics for the public to drive the prototypes and get their feed-back, some do have clinics or at least used to and it's too late once the car is in production. The door mirrors should be replaced with cameras and a display inside thereby eliminating wind noise and not having to worry about them when parked, would also reduce weight and drag.
As an EV owner in Montreal, Canada, the charging experience is much nicer, reliable charging stations, more of them then Teslas. I'm betting in Europe it must be better than the US as well. Quebec manufacturers unfortunately can't make enough to match the demand, but the quality and reliability is better than most US ones
I appreciate that these are supposed to be “first impression” videos, but getting into any vehicle for the first time you will struggle to figure out where things are. I got in my Mercedes for the first time I had to pull off the highway just to change the radio.
I have a Mini SE for the last year as well as a Tesla MY & M3. Of course they are all very different vehicles and cant be compared on range and power, however, I LOVE the Mini as it is very fun to drive around town.
I'd have liked to hear how long you charged and how many miles you gained.
That's hard to test, You have to find the most powerful charger around and see how much the car will allow to be charged.
@@NTNLabs I wasn't asking for a rigorous test. I was only asking how long it took to charge on this trip, and how many miles they obtained.
I get the impression they had a lot of charge at the start of the video and were only going 3 miles. I think Tesla Bjorn did a longer drive and charge test.
There's probably a following for the Mini. Other than that, I don't why anyone would buy one. It doesn't hardly bring anything to the table.
Agree, no new Tech, its going to be sold to a few wealthy mini lover's
I personally hate all the gigantic crossovers and SUVs and at least here in the US there is no small, light, fun to drive EV (the Model 3 isn't small).
Sure, the range is low but as a second car for commuting and fun it's pretty ideal. What else could you get for under $20k?
It's not going to be competitive in 3-4 years but for now, it fills an empty segment in the (US) market.
@@crsn00 The starting price point is listed at $29900. The Mini still qualifies for the fed $7500 tax credit & what ever state credits out there. The good thing is that there will be more choices for EV's in the future.
Because you can buy the Mini for 20K in the US. You can't buy a Tesla for 20K.
It's low cost, nimble, sporty, sharp looking. I'd say that's bringing a lot to the table. Of course, not being able to see traffic lights or the speedo or the map is problematic.
Always loved the Minis.. looking forward to a test drive in the SE though I doubt I would find it as practical as I did in my youthful days with the 2006 Cooper S :)
Mini Cooper = Wuling mini , it's garbage. 🐂💩.
@@markplott4820 you havent driven one, its amazing
@@jacobplatt3066 - its a POS Compliance car , Model 3 is much SAFER in a Accident.
how much is your LIFE worth ?
BTW in 2020 a Stock TESLA model 3 won PIKES PEAK in their class.
and SMOKING two other MODIFIFED model 3 .
@@markplott4820 You are satisfied with a tin can?
@@jacobplatt3066 - TESLA glass roof is STRONGER than any Tin Can roof by Legacy OEM's.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
You should have done a range test. Unlike Teslas it will go further than the EPA range. Nice to have a conservative estimate instead of an "absolute best case only" estimate.
Tire and wind noise is because the motor isn’t drowning it out. Sales noises exist on the ICE versions.
I can't get over that ugly circle on the middle console, that's only 1/4 lit up red. What is the deal with that thing?
You can set the color and what it reacts to. In this case it was reacting to either speed or audio volume.
@@URBANENGINEER ok, thanks.
Thanks for the video. Waiting for the review of Chinese evs. Like your brutal honesty
All the drawbacks and shortcomings of an ICE Mini with none of the fun. Clearly just a compliance car, not a serious effort to make a contender in the EV marketplace.
It's a good car for Europe. I wish they made it with a 50kWh battery though. The 186hp motor is nice in such a small vehicle.
@@tomsixsix Yeah, range not exactly great for a 2022 EV.
No fun? You clearly haven’t drive the electric mini because it is way more fun than the gas version!
None of the fun? It has more charm than the boring Tesla. Who wants to use the Tesla Ipad all day long for adjusting everything in the vehicle?
I think u skipped a few steps in the charging station! How did you guys get the free charging!? Was the app being used for the billing?!
Living in northern Maine. The only chargers within 200 miles of my house is tesla chargers. And still I wish the would put more in at different locations
Nice soundtracks. 🎶
Thanks
2001 would like it's nav system back 😂
You can enable split screen with direction arrows on sat nav.
Cory is looking good
Top Influencer!!! 😁
Old video, but if I could jump back 3 years and comment I would. I have owned an SE for over 4 years. The regen is one of the strongest I have driven - but you need to have it in the strong mode. Secondly, it really is, bar none, the most fun to drive *on the road*. A Tesla will obliterate the MINI in a straight line if it is a dual motor. Around a corner, there isn't much better. So fun to drive. If you drive sensiblly, the WLTP range is achievable every day of the week, and drive like a grandmother (no disrespect for grandmothers :) ) you can obliterate the US EPA range. My record is 270km of really boring driving (about 170 miles). In 4 years I have done this once to see what I could do. Never again - this thing is so much fun to drive, so eco driving goes out the window. I have track day tyres which make it corner even better, at a cost of about 10% range. I don't care about the range. How far can an actual go kart go on one tank? Overall a fun review, but maybe a few technical discrepancies (from my experience anyway). For the record, I have a lot of experience with the 3 and y, and a little in the s. Anyone saying the 3 drives better really doesn't know much about cars :)
That windshield reflector sticker for tall people is called " light in sight " .
When other people are around it seems like Cory is often hesitant or not comfortable to ask the viewers to subscribe. Don't overthink it boss, totally normal thing to do in a video! Alternatively, you may just get your editor to put a little graphic near the end of each video reminding viewers to subscribe so you don't have to say it.
5’10” on a good day. Brilliant. Why is it taking theses companies so long to catch up to Tesla.
Ever hear that TESLA is more than a car company? Well they are, TESLA just so happens to own Space X and a multitude of other tech advanced corporations. Other manufacturers do not even have a chance of competing in the same league as TESLA. Sandy Munro has stated many times that TESLA are at least 5 - 10 years ahead of the others because of their views on technology and applying cross company advancements.
THAT'S WHY...
@@spuddy4063 why is Tesla build quality and sound insulation so bad?
@@cadriver2570 The sound is up to the Driver to implement or deal with TESLA want the end user to have some input as to modifying their cars after all.
And just so you know I do not own a TESLA nor am I a fan boy of the company. I simply love the concept behind EV's and what they can do for all of us. Just that some seem to lead better than others though. And for now that does seem to be where TESLA is, at the moment.
@@spuddy4063 your reply is nonsensical. Tesla interiors are way too noisy at speed, and their build quality is poor. They are way behind other companies in those areas.
@@cadriver2570 While that may be somewhat true, your reply boast of being against anything that is TESLA related. Is essentially what TESLA is doing to promote the EV industry. Your nit picking attitude does in fact lack any foresight into what is happening in the EV industry at large. SO, YES they lack in some area's but, don't forget that the OTHER car companies have been polluting the planet and looking ONLY after their own self interests for over 100 years. TESLA have been building cars for less that a decade and a half.
I guess your nit picking liken's you to a TESLA short seller. People that cannot appreciate that TESLA is more than a car company because Elon Musk is the CEO of other companies that are all profitable and NOW TESLA also falls into that Profitable box. Are simply put; people that do not recognize their deficient nature and what they are talking about.
That seems more like a compliance car.
Arm rests. (random thought) I used to always use them, and I was a distance swimmer and my shoulders always hurt. (I somehow forgot that my shoulders had always ached a little). It wasn't the swimming - - it was arm rests. Somewhere someone said, 'Shoulders hurt? Don't use arm rests.' So I tried that - no more shoulder pain. Has anyone at Munro done any kind of a deep dive on arm rests? (I buy new office chair, the arm rests go straight up - never use them)
Good point. I use a machine with an attachment on it that means I have to lean to one side. My shoulder was killing me as I was slightly hunched up on the arm rest. I put an old pillow on my seat raising my position so not to be hunched up and no pain.
Me too! Always hurt elbows and shoulders. Now I do the gravity drive.
Charging: I argue that Tesla charging experience is even better than ICE car gas experience. No need for credit cards. Just plug and go.
Yes, and the supercharger handles aren't a cesspool of residue and germs.
I owned a gas mini. Fun commmute car. Glad u showed charging experience. CCS is the standard in Europe. USA is not standardized for charging with adapters needed. CCS should be the standard USA. Not sure about China. My model X has free supercharging but never used as fly when travel. I also own solar panels at home. Save $500/month on gas and home electricity
CCS is the standard in the U.S. Not enforced here, but clearly the path ALL OEMs are on. Just a matter of time before Tesla swaps over, their Tesla plug is becoming the minority worldwide, if not already. And will eventually become the minority in the U.S. as CCS ramps up
Gorgeous little car, now with the added bonus of no shoddy BMW ICE components.., 😋
I leased a 2011 Leaf. Loved it, but wished for more miles. This is 2021. Why doesn’t the mini go at least 160 miles?
So, how were your knees on the return trip as a passenger? Looked pretty cramped from what I could see...
About the noise, tire and road, might it just be more obvious because there is no engine?
Honestly, the vehicle is far quieter over the Kia e-Niro on the highway, from our personal experience. Mini is delivering this vehicle with multiple tire brands, not sure why. We have the Hankook Ventus Prime 3s on ours (stock). Worlds quieter over the Niro on the highway.
There is one, its electric.
@@raymondschembri5042 yes an electric motor (which is not an engine).
@@carrtb So what do you call an air driven （pneumatic）motor or an engine.！
@@raymondschembri5042 it could be either, based upon the method by which pneumatic potential energy is converted to rotational energy (via rotational turbine or reciprocating mechanical structures).
The section when you were charging was unlistenable. That high pitched charging sound picked up by the mics was ear splitting!
I'm not an electric vehicle owner or driver, but I worked in the auto industry for many years. From what I've learned on this channel, you have demonstrated that Tesla is far and away the leader in the industry, and as Sandy says, at least 5 years ahead of the rest.
HI CORY AND PAUL, GOOD SHOW!! ( sorry Paul, I guess that means something different in your "Native" Tongue!! at least I didn't say "JOLLEY"!! ). This is SO OBVIOUSLY a CHEAP gas engined car to electric "Compliance" car conversion it's REALLY RIDICULOUS!! YES CORY!! I agree, the fact that the instrument panel has a Satin Finish, and the rest of the dash has Piano Gloss Black Finish looks SO CHEAP AND UNHARMONIOUS!!! (that a real word?? And I was hoping the extra weight of the battery pack would soften up the ride a lot, WRONG AGAIN!! WELL, at LEAST it still goes and handles good!!! YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB FILLING IN FOR SANDY!! ( we'll still welcome him back, though!! ). THANKS!! HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND!!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.
if it is taking 30 sec to setup navigation system, this car won't be in list for sure :) Screen design is horrible!!! How can you design something like this?
How many gallons of milk can the Mini carry in the boot without the suspension bottoming??
We typically use ours for our Costco runs. With the seats down there is plenty of space.
Two adults + one 90 lb dog + one 30 lb dog. I haven't noticed any difference.
@@wzDH106 my wife makes me drive slower with the dog(s) in the car. That's the only difference I notice.
Didn’t drive it home because he would have to charge it? He needs a pay raise!
All $0.80 to charge it 😂 only 29 kWh usable after all!!
10 years since the i3. How will this company survive?
The original was a champion race car.
oooh...what's that whine while they were charging? Was it audible or just interference within the camera? I'm pretty deaf in the mid range but man, that one made my ears ring.
The fan on the charge station.
Nothing to do with Mini before BMW. It used to be a crazy little go cart.
The reasonable price is the only compelling feature about this car, though the range would be fine for most commuters if it weren't for so much range anxiety in the U.S. Even still, I would not own a modern Mini Cooper as their long-term maintenance costs and reliability have proven to be poor. The Prius, Camry, and Civic generally top the list for reliability and maintenance over the last couple decades with the Mini dragging near the bottom for consumer cars. To be honest, this has soured my opinion of all BMW's. I'd love to have an original Mini Cooper, but not a modern one.
If all employers started building Charing stations at the jobs it would make this car more compelling but that's going to take a minute. A lot of place have started 2 though.
wait until the 2023 Tesla compact is out, it will sell for $23,000 with 250+ mile range and still be the SAFEST car period.
@@markplott4820 Yeah, that car is going to kill ICE stone dead, and quick.
@@markplott4820 more info on this? This is the model 2 I assume? That’s gonna be such a hit.
@@URBANENGINEER - YES, excipt is not going to be called Model 2 , but you are Correct.
Legacy auto is FCUKED.
Hopefully most charging locations are covered, I wouldn't want to have to stop to charge during a tropical storm in Florida. Even fully covered gas stations can allow in a lot of rain.
😎 WIVE HAS A MINI CLUBMAN AND LOVES IT she’s 5’2” 😍 she even lets me ride in it 😉😂 at 6’ and 250 lbs I can’t drive it 😊 that’s not a problem we knew that when we bought it😉
It’s nice you let PAUL drive it since he paid for the fuel😂😉😍😍
We will keep tipping the cashiers 😍😍😍
That's alot of emojis
Big 3 still more hard plastics vs soft. Rental car feelings with Big 3. Mini Cooper BMW lots of nice soft plastics. More premium
Navigation looks like prehistoric Tom Tom😂
You guys always complain about backing in to charge spots……..why?……..Back in/back out is inevitable till we get drive through stations.
I’ll bet if you Munro this problem, Backing in to charge spot, FIRST, is safer😎 And I can tell you why!
It's a silly gripe considering they even have a backup camera.
Mini's oval and nonstandard displays will be hard to replace in 5-10 years. The only thing worse is Mach E's display with a mechanical knob on it.
I am told that the Mach-e 's knob is glued onto the screen meaning nothing fro the knob goes through the display, is this correct or have I misunderstood something?
@@casperhansen826 I’m not sure. That would make more sense than a custom LCD panel, but it would be better to mount the knob separately below the display.
Gimme a model 3 anytime over this baby!
Cory is right about range in percentage, that is what Tesla likes to show you.
What was the max fast charge charge rate.
I'd love to replace my Cooper S with a Mini SE, but this generation has too many compromises. I'll wait and compare the next gen Mini SE with the Tesla hatchback.
Do we know of the mini uses active or passive battery cooling and conditioning?
Liquid active cooling and heating. There's a heat pump for the cabin, not sure if the heat pump is used for battery cooling. May be resistive heating only.
@@wzDH106 ah yes that's a good point.
Great video, I am not impressed with this car in the slightest. BMW needs to try much harder with their next iteration. This seems like a compliance thing they just kicked out as an afterthought. That or the EV team was given a tiny budget, BMW needs to really commit to do an EV Mini well. This just barely passes the class.
Actually, this is probably one of the best pieces of engineering you are ever likely to see. Being able to choose diesel, petrol or electric in real time on a production line is inspired. They also, unlike almost every other manufacturer, prioritised driving experience over range. They could have packed the boot out with batteries and doubled the range, but you would then have a heavy car which doesn't feel like a MINI. In it's intended environment (city) it is peerless. Due to its size and weight, it is one of the most efficient EVs you can get. You should go have a test drive of one, they are awesome little cars. Don't judge the range or efficiency by EPA numbers - they are out by about 30% (from experience).
My first car was a 1964 Austin Mini with a range of around 220-250 miles per 5.5 imperial gallon tankful. It was spartan and absurdly cheap. This BMW is not cheap, nor does it have a good range. Plus, I would argue whether it has much of the cute and coolness of an original Mini. For an EV, BMW need to design a completely new car.
You've heard of the i3, no?
@@dansburns Yep, and it's better than the Mini. But it isn't a Mini. Neither is this Mini. Fiat did a better job with their 500 recreation, even if it is twice the size of the original, it still has all the cheeky cuteness. Plus it makes for a good EV.
Where is Munro?
Sandy was on vacation.
I’ve always wondered what Minis are like (they’re expensive in Australia). Now that I’ve seen this my interest level has dropped to zero. Those displays, the cramped back, and not even fun to drive. Yuck. But I have a Tesla so you can’t trust anything I say 😉
I suggest trying one of these for yourself, I think you'd be surprised.
Yes Cody, why buy a four seater when only two can be used . Same I drive a M3 and when the MY is availble with 4680 in Australia I get one for the misses.
Since the Cooper SE is basically a mashup-Mini platform + i3 drivetrain-I wish Paul had contrasted the two vehicles more. I’ve leased a 2014 and 2017 i3. Now that BMW has stopped producing the US-spec i3, I’m weighing whether to scrounge remaining i3 immediately or buy a Mini Cooper SE if I start commuting again in 2022. With the Bolt off the table and no other manufactures offering city cars in the US, I don’t see any other options.
The mini is the latest i3s internals and it is such a fun drive if you want it to be. Not sure why many put it down when id take a mini over many other cars out there
The Mini is a blast. It’s a better drive than any of the cheaper EVs like the Bolt. Far different flavor of car than the i3 despite both being BMW products. Check out some real reviews, and the real world range tests which exceed the EPA range.
Dudes, see how much milk you can load into the car.
Sure, the charging network for Tesla is flawless. That’s why the model Y is 65k (plus destination and tax). I have a mini SE on order and it’ll be 27k after the tax credit. I’m also keeping my used Tacoma that I got for 15k for off road adventures. They’re both cheap to insure and I’m 23k UNDER THE MODEL Y. I’d rather take that savings and get a solar array on my house. I owned a BMW i3 for 3 years and never came close to using its 80 mile range in a day. The handful of road trips (maybe 3 over 3 years) were taken in my girlfriends car. We flew everywhere else. If you’re regularly on freeways covering over 100 miles to and from destinations then definitely get a Tesla. If you’re not in the car 20 hours a week like most of us then get an efficient run about that’s not carrying all of the extra weight that you’ll rarely use. Even if I had a Lucid Air with a 500 mile range I’d still rent a hybrid for a really long road trip. DC fast charging costs are not that much cheaper than gas and I just want to go wherever when exploring and not have to think at all about a charging network.
People need to realize that buying any of these EVs, with the user experience they offer, is like buying a blackberry when the iPhone was already released.
They feel awkward and don't offer the features that a smart car has nowadays (AKA any Tesla available).
at least software looks like it was developed in this decade unlike some
THE SCREEN BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL LOOKS LIKE AN AFTER THOUGHT. MUCH LIKE THE AFTERMARKET SCREEN AVAILABLE FOR THE MODEL 3/Y.
Except the 3 & Y have a fabulous, large centre screen which makes “add on” screens a ludicrous option.
The only thing I added to my 3’s screen was the pivot, made by Matt on “tech forum”, awesome piece of gear.
The noise, when you are at the charging station is not very nice. You may want to be more careful with editing.