The NEW FACE of NS Intercity Services - The Dutch Railways' INCREDIBLE ICNG!
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- Up today is a look at NS' brand new high speed train, the ICNG! This is the first high speed train NS has operated since the Fyra 10 years ago, so I was very much looking forward to trying this out... and it did not disappoint! Find out why in this video!
Journey details:
Date of Travel - June 2023
Operator - NS (Dutch state railways)
Train Type - NS Class 3200/ICNG
Origin - Amsterdam Centraal
Destination - Rotterdam Centraal
Price - €33.33/£28.68 (First class single, including €2.90 supplement for using the Intercity Direct service)
Duration - 40 minutes
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Fun fact about the Sprinter trains: why are they called Sprinter? In the 70s, many commuter lines were introduced where trains had to stop regularly. A brand new train was introduced: SGM. It was quickly called "Sprinter" because it had the fastest acceleration time in the day, just for the purpose of stopping and starting regularly while in service. The trains were retired, but the name stuck.
Cool branding TBH. Very easily distinguishable from the local stoptrein.
Unfortunately NS plans to discontinue the white/blue/yellow livery and use the new “flow” for all train in the future so no more sprinter colour, I don’t know it they discontinue the sprinter name, probably not because it sounds beter/faster than stoptrain
Also, a sprint is a short-distance race. It's quite a fitting name for an all-station service.
@@bambiertje The sprinter is not really a short-distance service.
There're running pretty long distances. From Uitgeest to Amersfoort, Or from Hoorn to Rotterdam.
The NS ran according to the 'basic timetable' at the time of the COVID-19 pandemic. There were only Sprinter services running at the time.
They also had 3 intercity-services running. Den Helder- Arnhem, Eindhoven - Schiphol and Groningen - Zwolle.
That's true. Only there's one thing that can change.
In some circumstances they use Intercity trains as sprinter. Or the trains called 'sprinter' are running Intercity services.
I recently traveled from Putten to Anna Paulowna, and the Intercity from Amsterdam to Anna Paulowna was a 10 car long 'sprinter'.
**Cries in American car culture**
Seeing european passenger rail infrastructure always leaves me with a bitter taste of envy. The Netherlands in particular was one of my favorite countries I ever visited, specifically thanks to how intuitive and easy their public transportation system is.
You'll be surprised how much more garbage it has gotten in the last 20 years. We thoroughly destroyed it.
The US is car-oriented because of its geography: lots of space for wide roads, enormous distances between various logistical hubs. Freight travel via rail is feasible but passenger travel takes way too long. The Netherlands is heavily focused on public transport due to it being compact and very logistically dense. + having oodles of large natural waterways takes pressure off of the rail system in terms of freight traffic which is then available for transporting passengers. Car ownership here is still very high though.
@@classicallpvault8251 this is such a bad argument. When people talk about us transit they do not talk about a route between new york and LA. They talk about dense local corridors. Even the northeast corridor has horrible public transit by international standards. There are a lot of these corridors. And dont forget, driving would take significantly longer than a good train, by a significant factor. But 6k km distances arent what is being talked about. Those are airplane distances.
@@classicallpvault8251holup, if you know your country is THAT big, building some high speed rail to cross the country should be massively cheaper than maintaining 6-8 lanes highways.
also who travels from one end to another end of a country anyway? 80% of people probably wouldnt travel further than 2 cities for most things and needs, which is a perfect length for a rail.
12:48 NS Tickets are indeed not cheap. However, a large amount of people in the Netherlands don’t pay regular tariffs. Ages up to and including 18 pay just €7.95 for a day ticket (up to 12 yo it’s even €2.50). Students all travel for free on either weekdays or weekends (you can choose) and always get a 40% discount on the other days. People who travel a lot for work with the train usually have a 40% discount subscription (which is just €5.60 a month) and some companies get their employees business travel cards. All NS employees (also IT staff, etc.) travel for free (1st class) .
Actually you pay a 17 euro per month fee to travel first class if you work for NS. Standard class is free tho
International students do not, sadly, get a studentreist product. Only if they work a set number of hours on a work contract.
@@MegaSkyDreamswell yeah you're not paying taxes to fund the free public transport
Kids under 12 can actually get a *free* KidsVrij plan, on their own personal OV chip card. That allows them to travel for free when accompanied by a paying traveler above 12yo.
It really feels like a lot of complaining happens with people who don't bother to learn the system.
€35 a month I get the standard discounts and can travel all I want on NS trains on the weekend. That is a crazy good deal if you do any travel by train once a month.
2:07 The station has 11 platforms. 15 is the number of tracks.
5:04 lounge seats in standart class are actually quite normal in the Netherlands nowadays.
2 other InterCity types (DDZ and VIRM, the 2 double floored trains) share this interior choice. It was already introduced when the DDZ (then a stoptrain called DDAR which was renewed to serve as an InterCity) back in 2013 and was later added to the renewed VIRM 1, one of the 4 versions of this train build throughout the years, in 2016 when it got the renewed DDZ interiour. The interiour of the ICNG from this video is another completely new design which also got its own version in the recently renewed VIRM 2 and 3.
So there are basically 3 comeplytely different types of VIRM on the tracks. The VIRM 1 got a sligtly reworked exteriour pattern to partially match the DDZ, VIRM 2 and 3 are in the new brand apperence and VIRM 4 still has the old exteriour patterns.
I really hope they will make a double decker variant of the ICNG, cause if the NS wants to replace more trains with the ICNG and not need more employees, they kinda have to
@@teaser6089 They just ordered replacements for the DDZ. New trains that are gonna be part single and part double.
7:52 - That is a Fisker Karma in the middle lane of the highway 🤩
Towards the end you spoke about the cost, saying it was "not cheap" and there was no benefit to advance booking. I would agree with that, but with NS, it's reasonable and very convenient. NS basically operates their network like a nationwide metro system, so you can always just rock up to the station and buy a ticket for immediate travel anywhere in the country. And on the occasions I was fortunate enough to have need to use NS, there was always plenty of capacity on the trains. It's probably not cheap to run a system in such a manner as the Dutch do, but it is very convenient and makes for a pleasant passenger experience.
I'd agree with that. Particularly the Sprinter (regional) trains operate mostly like a German S-Bahn system.
Not so much anymore nowadays. They have downscaled the amount of trains on A lot of lines
@@vaaggasje The frequency, yes. Although there are now plans to increase it on some lines again. But the frequency is never lower than twice hourly, which is not uncommon for some German suburban S-Bahns.
With all the cutbacks in service because of staff shortages, this is no longer the case, especially after 7 pm. Also, because of the shortages in rolling stock, the trains that do run are packed, especially during rush hour
@@urbandiscount Really depends on route and - obviously - material. I commute to work using two sprinter trains (in the Randstad) and haven't really had a problem getting a seat, even during rush hours. But then, these two sections typically use a pair of SLTs. Sometimes it's just one, and then it does get cosy.
Still, we were talking about the comparison to S-Bahns and I think that still holds because of the regularity of frequency (once half an hour or once an hour at a standard time). Go to, say, a Stuttgart suburb and you'll get a similar service.
Sprinter local services got there name because of the stadsgewestelijkmaterieel (SGM) translating cityregion rolling stock. They where build in the 70ties to serve on the railway lines around Rotterdam and The Hage witch had verry tight stop spacing, because of that it was important that the trains had a verry high acceleration to run the tight schedule and be competitive with driving true higher average speeds. The SGM gained the nickname Sprinter because of that high acceleration and the short stop distances. The name sprinter then gradually changed to mean al local services regardless of the rolling stock. And because sprinter is much better marketing that stoptrein (stopping train) that was previously used, sprinter was then officially adopted by ns to refer to local services.
You were travelling during off-peak hours (= checking in before 06:00, between 09:00 - 16:00 and after 18:30 plus all day at weekends and on public holidays). When you purchase the supplement from a Supplement Pole during off-peak hours, you will receive a 40% discount, so supplement will cost only € 1.74.
In the early 2000s sprinters were called 'stop treins' and ICs were called 'snell treins'. I reckon the new names were a marketing exercise.
To be more precise, there were three classes, stoptrein, sneltrein and intercity. Depending on the rolling stock, some sneltrein lines were called sprinter. Once the non-sprinter rolling stock for the stoptrein was phased out, all trains stopping at all stations were re-branded as sprinter, while the intermediate sneltrein was also abolished leaving only the intercity and sprinter classes.
What distinguishes the Dutch Coradias from the other Coradias in Europe is that the NS ICNG has a single doors. This was chosen because the train then experiences less pressure at high speed and especially in the tunnels.
Not so much the tunnels i think , but wind hindrance at the Hollands Diep water
@@lws7394 It is the tunnels. The purpose of pressurisation is to reduce the pressure shock when the train encounters a sudden change such as entering a tunnel or passing a train travelling the other way. Wind resistance is not an issue.
wouldn't tunnels be an issue for the other 200kmh Corradia models as well ? The others maybe 160kmh train sets .
btw : The X3 and X40 (Sweden) and the british Class 180 have single doors as well ..
@@lws7394 it is likely that NS required a higher specification for pressure resistance because they run on a 300 km/h line. So the train needs to handle a 500 km/h shockwave when a 200 km/h ICNG encounters a 300 km/h Eurostar
Hey thank you for adding subtitles
Beautiful tour of Amsterdam Station
I like you're video's, Objective, and the true about trains, I am from Netherlands, I am a Railroader (trackmaintenence).
I Drive, or be an assistant on service trains for Catenary, Track laying etc.
Now I am working at the OCCR, Operation Control Cenre Rail, The National overseeing everything organ....
You're video's are Superb....
Neat stuff. In Denmark DSB, the Danish state railways, have ordered 100 very similar trains to the ICNG too. Their trains, named the IC5, are also from the Coradia Stream platform and will also operate at 200km/h. DSB has also had its own rendezvous with Ansaldo Breda so theres that too. Our IC5 trains should enter service in 2025 if things stick to the current schedule, and they'll be used in everything from short regonal journeys to cross country express trains. DSB plans to only have 3 types of vehicles operating by 2030. The IC5's, Vectron locomotives with Talgo carraiges (for international trains, starting in 2024), and Vectron locomotives with double decker carriages (primarily regional services to and from Copenhagen)
DSB also operate the S-tog around Copenhagen too so they'll have the single deck fleet for that too.
@@Kaden303 Yeah, but they're also a completely different system from the mainline rail network. But they're gonna order 226 new trains for the system equipped for fully automated operations. that'll enter service in the late 2020's and be all rolled out by the end of the 2030's
And presumably the phaseout of IC3/IR4 might be delayed
@@placeholdername0000 Well not really. Those 2 train types are gonna be retired by 2030. The real issue are the IC4 DMU's built by Ansaldo Breda. DSB needs enough new units to fully replace that fleet. And the IC4's maintenance facility is in Aarhus, to which there is no electrification. But in order to turn on electric wires, the signals along a line need to either be immunised which is expensive, or replaced entirely by ERTMS lv.2 which the IC4's aren't equipped to operate with. So the IC4's can't be retired until there are enough electric IC5's to replace them, and the IC5's can't be used on the mainlines up to Aarhus and Aalborg at all until the IC4 is fully retired. So if theres another delay to the IC5's, thats gonna cause all sorts of delays and domino effects on the danish rail network
@@drdewott9154 In case of an expanded demand and or delayed IC5.
Hey, I was wondering if you could tell me which speedometer app you are using? Great video by the way! I really enjoy watching your content!
Great review!!
In addition to the app you can also see what types are being used on rijdendetreinen which i find better than the app, the app is kinda slow! This site allows you to see which trains depart in any given station in The Netherlands. Great video!
Fun fact, some were stored in the open yard in Braunschweig and i rode past them on a Regionalbahn 47 service :D
Hey, enjoyed the video! Which app are you using in the intro to see the train speed?
Hey something intresting for you:
Currently there are defective tracks on the HSL Zuid. There is a termpoary speed restriction of 160 and 80kmh before you enter the 7km long Groene hart Tunnel on the HSL. Normally the ICNG would be operating at 160kmh while the TRaxx and ICRMh are still in service. However as you might already start realising, due to the delay those TSRs cause the ICNG goes 200kmh to make up the delay caused by the TSR :)
Once the traxx/icrmh sets are fully phased out ICNG will have a planned speed of 200kmh. The time table as of right now assumes 160kmh
The 80 kmh section is because of the sagging bridge at Rijpwetering, not because of defective tracks.
Why don't they go 250km/h though? What's the benefit of going at 200km/h? Timetabling I am guessing.
@@spell105 The top speed of the trains is only 200 km/h so that's how fast they go. It would have been more expensive to buy faster trains and it wouldn't make much difference to travel times since trains only reach 200 km/h fairly briefly anyway before they need to slow for the next station
Great video! Nightjet also serve Amsterdam!
Fantastic! Just fantastic!
Love the repport, just a small error:
All IC trains have a (slight) recline seat in first class!
Yeah I realised this later on but was too late to make any changes! Glad you enjoyed regardless 😁
I've had them on my usual morning train a few times, they're quite good in my opinion. As long as the doors are working tho, they have a habit for not working.
I mean those are problems any new train has had, I'm sure that in a few years the doors will be working just as well as all the others
@@teaser6089exactly
Great video mate. I remember travelling on the older IC trains myself when I went interrailing last August, and to be honest they feel a bit out of touch for me. Nothing on board other than slightly hard leather seats (if I'm remembering right), weird toilets, and staff yelling over the tannoy lol. However I hope the ICNGs live up to their standard, providing they don't run into any Alstom related issues. Also the traction motors on those things are quite the vibe. 👌
Great video. Curious, what is the source for that most visited Rijksmonument claim? :)
Awesome video.
9:12 Also in de VIRM-series there are reclining seats in 1st class, but indeed not in the other IC-trains
Oh yes there are.
Nice video about the lovely Dutch trains. When are you going to give a try to make one of the AVE network in Spain? Just pick up you fav destination, Valencia, Malaga, Seville,...?
Hi,
Good review.
But what is the name of the app you are using for checking the speed?
Nice ! My dutch is not perfect but for ZUID try zout, it will be understood !
I really wanna ride this train :)
What's the app called you're using at 11:01? I really like that it integrates line speed information
Fun fact: after the Fyra debacle NS wanted well proven relaible trains for the Benelux service.
Thats why the freight Traxx multicurent locomotives were straith form the shelf leased and bought.
At first there service speed was increased to 160KM.
The freight engines showed some serious technical issues due to using them outside their normal comfort zone.
Lower trainweight (passengertrains) and higher operating speeds was something they couldn't handle good.
Those locomotives were reduced to the original max speed (140 km)
These findings resulted in further developing a pure passenger and high speed version of the Traxx platform.
NS is fasing out all locomotive pulled trains and with the introduction of the new ICNG EMU'S the 80's carriages and DC/MC locomotives wil be fased out
Traxx isn’t just for freight… As you know given the top speed of 160km/u
@@pjotrtje0NL The Traxx family is wide and It all depens on the model and sort of power used by the Traxx locomotives.
The AC/AC-MC locomotives were mostly listed for 160 km
The DC/DC-MC and MS and DE (diesel) were always 140 km.
On those DC/ DC-MC models the problems with 160 km occured.
The Dutch use 1.5KV DC and the Belgians 3.0KV DC.
Only the HST Amsterdam-Brussels and Betuweroute (freightline Rotterdam-German border) use 25KV AC
The dutch are always building or upgrading something non stop,its why they have this amazing infrastructure
11:04 great video as always! What app do you use here to measure your speed and shows you the speed limit and the line etc
Many thanks! The app’s called Speedmeter 😁
We're due to have the same trains here. we'll know them as the "IC5" sets, but more specifically as the Litra ES. These are due to be here in 2025, and replace the entire fleet of multiple units DSB has.
Seeing this video, makes me excited like a little child to see these Coradia Streams arrive here!
Greetings from Denmark! 😄
We could better had listened to the DSB when we also ordered on the IC4 based fyra trains at Ansaldo breda.🤦♂
Hats of to the DSB workshops who kept those IC4 as good as it gets somewhat running!.
Even the trains the IC4 should replace the IC3 will outlast hem!
@@obelic71 oh yeah, The IC3 ain’t budging until the IC4 is gone. Funny thing is, is that all the IC4s have been sold to an unknown Romanian buyer, so they get to live on, just not in Denmark
@@CopenhagenRailProductions Correct Romanian operators are buying lots of used 1980-2000 European diesel railway stock.
Labour is very cheap in Romania and they are very good in totaly rebuilding railway stock.
The railnetwork and other infrastructure in Romania is the worst in Europe due to 70+ years of corruption and low/bad maintenance.
Since 2000 they are steadily rebuilding upgrading their infrastructure.
I have more trust in a self tought Romanian blacksmit then an Italian Ansaldo-Breda engineer 😁
初めまして！。日本の三重県津市という場所に住んでいる、日本人29歳男性です。
この動画で主題になっている「ICNG(インターシティーネクストジェネレーション)型」ですが、確かアムステルダム中央駅⇔ベルギー🇧🇪国内との間を運行する電気機関車+プッシュプル客車編成を置き換えるために導入されると聞いたことがあります(日本の「ゆっくり海外鉄チャンネル」にて)。
映像で見る限り客車列車(ユーロスプリンター？系列の電気機関車牽引)も同時に残っているように見えますが。
The ICNG still are being tested, although they now ride as normal trains. But sometimes the trains have a defect, in that case another train will take over whith the locomotive and ICR wagons.
You asked why the old ICR train als left. I think it looks that way, but he waited for the ICNG to arrive.
How is the app called to track the speed?
I thought E-tickets were slightly cheaper than the ticket machines. So ordering online has a slight advantage.
Does anyone know why the ICNG's have a max speed of 100km/h LESS than the HSL Zuid line? Seems like a very big mismatch in specs!
Fun fact. The Tram, Metro and most of the local buses are operated by GVB, which is subsidised by Amsterdam. Also the ICNG is also gonna replace some of the older ICMm stock.
Fun fact? Where is the "fun"?
Does it feed on stinging nettles?
Beautiful train trying to see if it's available for sale in HO
What speed track app is that?
do you ever plan on going to switzerland?
While I like them, the interiors seem to be a bit over-engineered to my taste. All those different zones indicated by lighting, those lounge seats and lots of 4 around a central table... While it all looks great, I think in the long run most people will prefer simple airline style seating.
I think 4-seats are great on longer journeys when you have luggage, loved that when I went through big parts of Germany by train, but indeed I hope to see more 2-seats and less luggage racks on the replacements for the Den Haag-Eindhoven line
@@mennoltvanalten7260 Well, in reality the airline sstyle seat often works as a single seat, where you yourself sit at the window and your backpack or shopping bags or whatever are placed on the isle seat. This offers a lot of privacy. When it gets really busy you can simply put your bag on you lap or on the floor in front of you. With 4-seats you really dont have its option and usually only one person sits at the window because legroom is somehow always cramped when 2 adults sit directly opposite of each other. When you know each other this is not too bad, because you can simply ask the other person to move over a bit, or put their legs towards one side if you are really uncomfortable, but with strangers this would obviously be very awkward to do.
Amsterdam Centraal has 11 platforms, but 15 tracks in total.
Shows that state owned rail can work at a reasonable price and provide a high level of service and quality ... unlike some countries that I could (not) mention !!
I wonder who's paying for all there upgraded trains by Dutch Rail and other continental operators ... yup, you guessed it, stripping profits from the UK rail franchise system to invest in their own state infrastructure.
While trains may not be cheap, those of us who live here can get a subscription for 5,60€ which would save 40% on that train since you took it off peak. Sometimes one trip covers the costs.
Thank you for highlighting my city, The Greater Metropolis of Rotterdam Waterstad, as that happens still not enough by the (englishpeaking) travel community. We are not the Tulipfields of Amsterdam, The Deserts of Amsterdam, The Forests of Amsterdam.The Rurals of Amsterdam nor The Harbour of Amsterdam... We are 010!!! Pride Through Struggle!!! (geen voetbalfan hier 020, just saying. Love you xoxo)
Also @Midland London, there should be benefits on discounts by some special tickets in peak and low hours but you'll have to book them separately and for tourists that is sometimes not the best thing to do on super short stays. Don't know if this train is a totally separated affaire than let's say an HSL or Eurostar, but because it will operate on the national network only (i guess? haven't been on trains for a while here) those discounts should apply. The extra charge i can somewhat understand, but in general i think it is bullpie to ask for an extra fee for something that should go fast already but hey, welcome to micro managing Nederland ffs. Love this video! (and our PT network to be fair)
I adore mussels cars .
State of the art. Beng beng.
0:53 excuse me? they are building AGAIN? They just frigging finished it a few years ago.
4:09 Look at that, LOOK AT THAT.... It is by far the best looking train they have aquired in years. It's unoffical nickname is "the Wasp". and I absolutely love the looks and it's livery. I haven't been excited for a new set since... uh ... 1994 (DD-IRM (now VRIM).. maybe even 1977 (Introduction of the ICM or Koploper)
5:52 less happy they went with this bamboo-ish decor. I don't think it fits the rest of the train. The whole train is "relaxed" and then suddenly that wall screaming at you "LOOK AT ME, I AM YOUR FACE NOW"
7:02 OK, OK I am clicking, I am clicking, no need to twist my arm mate
7:29 BEHOLD, the most BORING train in Europe (together with the SLT and FLIRT), no personality, bland and everybody else is using them as well. Besides.... they are the wrong color, white... not yellow.... BLASPHEMY
10:08 Love what they did with the lights. Perhaps they might "retrofit" the other intercities while they still roll. I hope the people will get it but I haven't seen much information about it yet. Train nerds know... but will the general public catch on??
11:44 sigh... it will happen soon I am sure of it. And yes, you are correct, especially on the older stock the toilets are am abomination. I hope they have been smart and have a coating that prevents that.
Technical issues are to be expected, this is still a test hence why it only has one route atm. we call it "Kinderziektes" in Dutch (childrens illnesses, you get them, you get past them)
0:53 they aren't building *again*, they *never stopped*.
In my life I have never seen Amsterdam Centraal without some sort of construction going on.
@@ApemanMonkey Lol, fair enough. But they allready did a "big renovation" a few years ago as well right?
Amsterdam Centraal is a synonym for permanent construction works.
Fun fact: you can use the defective door, it just takes A LOT of force to wedge it open by hand, but you are allowed to, a conductor told me, haha
IC direct supplement is only for national services involving the Schiphol-> Breda section. If you go Amsterdam Centraal -> Brussels, no supplement is required!!!!]
Also, pedantry but still, it's Central European Summer Time right now (CEST), not Central European Time (CET)
Still doesn’t heat the seats of the old carriages
Btw “Zuid” is pronounced z-ow-t not zoo-id. Zuid like clout. 😊
Same with Utrecht not being pronounced as you-trecht
Actually more to rhyme with ‘boat’ but there is no exact English equivalent sound. And Breda is ‘bray-dah’ with the stress on the second syllable. Not an easy language, Dutch!
The SNG is called in dutch a Wesp
They look similirar to the pop regional train in italy
È sempre della esteriormente cambiano solo le porte e i colori
They are based on the same base model (Alstom Coradia Stream), main difference (and why the Trenitalia POP trains entered service 4 years ago) is that those are limited to 160 km/h with the ICNG being made for 200 km/h (and the design/build changes that requires including testing).
Plan 2 do n Oct take n full tour off holland
3:30 This is not entirely true! The supplement is only for travels between Rotterdam and Schiphol. For example, no supplement is required for Amsterdam to Schiphol, Rotterdam to Breda, etc. Only for Schiphol to Rotterdam or the other way around.
Hey, I was referring to services out of Amsterdam that run on the NS Intercity Direct, which all use the HSL Zuid to Rotterdam. Hope that clarifies things! 😁
@@OMtheRailsGot it!
Fun fact the ICNG is built in Poland
An attractive train which appears to have been thoughtfully designed. But not sure why they did not go for a 155mph train, especially when the Stadler Smile low-floor train already exists and is even faster than this
Absolute game changer, combined with the heightened ticket prices and reduced scheduling, the ridership shall surely be dissapointing!
Marvels of Dutch policies and 12 years of VVD government.
Legit priced the lower class incomes households (like mine) straight out of the train into the car.
I take this train 3 times a week the older one is wayy better more seating and they newer one is way to short so in the spits its really really full and people need to stand
i cant wait to travel to rotterdam from brussels without paying a lot for the worst possible service
ICR is just not worth the money
Agreed - they’re past their best and aren’t suited for the ICD at all. The ICNG is a huge and worthy upgrade
why can these trains only reach 200kmh when the line speed is 300kmh???
As far as I know there are not bought just for the high speed services but lots of intercity ones. They just start operating on the high speed line
Doing 300km/h in the Netherlands is almost impossible due to the small distances between stations. On the ICD trajectory, by the time you reach 300km/h, you'd already be braking.
@@purrt-kurt I knew that that used to the case. But is it still with modern more powerful motors and lighter trains?
@@purrt-kurt well then what was the point of building a high speed line if the trains can’t reach the top speed?
Struggling to see why all these youtube channels are so positive about this train. Imo we're losing ourselves in the pretty gimmicks and not noticing what is right in front of us; an IC product that has mostly opposing seats and no tables, even in the 'work' area, directly opposing the preference of most (Dutch) travellers; a laughable scarcity of toilets, which the Dutch railways are already not known to maintain well and thus can often be found broken; seats without much padding; a lack of on-board catering, and a lack of top speed (200 km/h) even close to what is permitted on the HSL-Zuid (300 km/h). Only the last one is justifiable imo. I wouldn't call this train incredible. You have pretty moodlights, but the core travel experience is already far better on Intercities in Poland, Czechia and Slovakia.
The majority of people use ICD for Rotterdam -Amsterdam, Breda - Rotterdam vv. But they're going to replace Koplopers with them? When those came out with their revolutionary airline seating, people grumbled too. Most people thought the seating too business-like, not gezellig enough for families.
@@urbandiscount the fact of the matter is that people nowadays have laptops/phones, and rarely ever travel in groups. Airline style seats with own tables is the best travel experience to offer to the vast majority of travellers.
they look good (Although they'd look better if they had folding doors infront of the couplers for a more streamlined appearance).. Also NS really needs to up their game for 1st class accomodation. In essence you get a different seat that can recline (not a first btw, many train types in NS do this) in a different colour. It would really help if some softer furnishings were used on the seats and floors (carpet like in may other countries) to distinguise it from standard class, and would realy help the image..
It is a bit dissapointing to see that the new trains have not really improved the bicycle storage. I couldn't see it well on the video, but it seems to have remain the same principle as before: a sitting area where people will be offended if you ask them to please allow you to put the bicycle as the sign indicates. As soon as there are more than 3 bikes, it is difficult for people to pass. I hope they did install fastening mechanisms for the bikes, as I have seen so many times the bikes just falling over and creating a mess. Yes, yes, the idea is that you don't use them but use the OV-fiets But, that is not convenient for all purposes, and since you are already paying an extra 7 euro fare, they could at least make it so you don't bother other people with your bicycle.
I hope they come up with a more intuitive application of the toeslag. Right now, the procedure is: go to the lonely red pole with a small sign in dutch telling you to check in if your train passes through the more expensive route. Anyone who hasn't been explained in detail how it works will have a rough time. Very difficult to understand how somebody thought this was the best way to set the system
We've been using that train on regional routes in Italy for years now, nothing exciting, there are better trains.
TRue, the Coradia Stream is used in a lot of countries, but NS had a lot of changes made to the ICNG, so yes, it is a Coradia Stream, but a bit different then elsewhere.
@@JaapGinder To be more exact, the exterior is Coradia Stream but that's about it. Everything else was changed.
nice for you. But this is the netherlands and not italy. And we could have better train but italisn ripped us of with the fyra 🙂
@@lexburen5932 I remind you that these trains had problems, ordered in 2016 they arrived after 5 years !!! under testing since March 2022, NOS found that the welding quality of some train sets did not meet the requirements.
Furthermore, according to NS, a software update in June would have solved a number of initial malfunctions but also led to new problems and even train blocks.
The former Fyra, on the other hand, have been working very well in Italy as high-speed trains for several years now.
It has to be established whether the Dutch railway company is unlucky or incompetent, they have too many errors and problems every time with each purchase of new trains!
@@intersezioni delivery was delayed because of two years of Covid too! Those software problems you mention, weren't a big problem. Testing proceeded though on the hardware, e.g. the trains.
The Fyra trains had bigger problems: could not stand freezing weather, doors fell out, panels fell off the train, batteries went on fire and so on. In Italy by renovating the trains they found out that even the cabling was different on every train. So yeah, they ride now.... But there still are problems, therefore there is one trainster set apart for just getting parts...
I still can see how one might see barrieres at a station as a feature. I distinctly remember the sense of confusion and mild panic arriving at Amsterdam Centraal on an ICE after a hassle-free journey and suddenly standing in front of a line of gates that wouldn't let me through. Took me and my companions a couple of minutes to figure out we had to dig out our tickets again,
It's much more convenient to buy your ticket in advance, mostly forget about it and just get on whatever train you need with some random checks rather than having to navigate barriers every goddam time.
Not to mention the ability to send my girlfriend off at the platform (and greet her back) without having to buy a ticket myself.
I can understand your irritation, I had that aswel. But If you have a Dutch public transport card( ov-chipkaart) you can just enter the platforms and check out without it costing you anything. You will have to buy a new card every 5 years for 5 euro's though.
It's very useful for frequent riders because you can set it up so you never have to do anything except swipe your card, and for train personell because you don't need to check the tickets as much: with the fare gates, tickets barely ever get checked on intercity lines since without scanning a card it's a pain to get out of the station.
And the majority of journeys are made by frequent riders, so that weighs a lot more heavily than the occasional person travelling from the Netherlands to Germany. In the meantime I cannot understand why you would want to have your ticket checked 3 times on a single train journey of a couple hours just because there might have been new people getting on on other stations you passed or you changed trains once.
@@mennoltvanalten7260 I commute by train every day. I have a subscription on a monthly pass that usually gets checked once in six months. Fare gates or anything that requires a check-in world be a significant downgrade in convenience
As technically well designed and comfortable these new ICNG trrains may be, I find the outer design with its straight upright and box-like shape rather boring.
Honestly as a dutchmen myself i don't like the fact 1st class is just a change of seat color a worthless addotion unlike the separate coupe's in older first class train cars.
Also the koploper you can basicly say headrunner since that is the closest translation of it..
Sadly all newer dutch trains have the seat color change in the first class amd nothing else, wich is a huge shame(that and the lack of bathrooms in most dutch trains)
They also have a horrible lack of train security since it's very often your pockets are picked and kids often can get on the yards and cake trains full of graffiti..
I have to admit, that I don't like the NS blue yellow color scheme. Especially the yellow parts look dirty and used pretty fast.
Toch vond ik de Fyra veel mooier als de nieuwe intercity van de NS en ik denk zelfs met wat aanpassingen, had de Fyra gewoon kunnen rijden. Dat dit ook klopt, is ook al bewezen, de Fyra doet al jaren dienst in Italië. De nieuwe intercity ICNG is echt Hollands, smakeloos lelijk.
De Fyra in Italie is dan ook in een periode van 2 jaar (na overdracht) compleet herbouwt naar de veiligheids- en gebruikseisen in Italie.
@@zephyros256 dat had heel makkelijk, hier ook gekund, maar dat wilde de overheid en NS niet.
Our government has no idea whatsoever of technical purchases. We had the Fyra debacle but we also have bought dozens of F-35s, which are flying Fyras... This happens when a bunch of ignoramuses who have been professional politicians, almost all with an academic background low on the scale of academic hardness (social sciences, law, humanities) are trusted with decision-making which should lie with professional engineers.
no wonder our train tickets get more and more expensive. at this point going with the train is only meant for the rich under us.
I remind you that these trains had problems, ordered in 2016 they arrived after 5 years !!! under testing since March 2022, NOS found that the welding quality of some train sets did not meet the requirements.
Furthermore, according to NS, a software update in June would have solved a number of initial malfunctions but also led to new problems and even train blocks.
The former Fyra, on the other hand, have been working very well in Italy as high-speed trains for several years now.
It has to be established whether the Dutch railway company is unlucky or incompetent, they have too many errors and problems every time with each purchase of new trains!
The Fyra is working OK now because of very. long. and all encompassing rebuilds…
I'd go with unlucky. The Fyra trains were built by a company that is notorious for having produced terrible trains, again and again and again, to many different customers.
Alstom usually delivers decently made trains, but they've had issues with programming lately - for example, their project with installing the new signalling system in Denmark is falling behind schedule too, and even the parts that are functioning still have some issues, and features that aren't working yet.
@@wasmic5z that company built the trains and subways that still work all over the world, even Siemens products have many problems and defects, it's normal when it is produced! obviously in Holland never have problems since you don't produce and export anything like this all over the world!
" NOS found that the welding quality of some train sets did not meet the requirements"
It wasn't the NOS who found this, but the NS themselves. The NS refused the delivery of those units.
"he former Fyra, on the other hand, have been working very well in Italy as high-speed trains for several years now."
The trajectory faced extreme issues and delays in Italy. The trains would not pass Dutch infrastructure and mobility requirements today and had to be almost fully rebuilt to work at all in Italy. It'll be funny to see when TrenItalia tries to register high-speed services to NL soon with the old Fyra train, they'll be denied access quickly and you'll be able to see the difference in quality and safety requirements quickly.
"they have too many errors and problems every time with each purchase of new trains!"
They have high quality control and don't just accept everything that is delivered blindly. To see why this is important, just look at the Voorschoten disaster from a while back. The passengers were okay, despite a terrible accident having taken place.
@@intersezioni All companies make products that have issues to begin with, and which need to be fixed. But usually, these fixes are done within a year or two.
AnsaldoBreda had a few good products (such as the driverless metro), but for a while back in the 00's and early 10's they also had a ton of projects that they terribly mismanaged. Fyra, IC4, trams for Gothenburg, trams for Boston, and many more - they proved to be so unreliable that they needed to be entirely rebuilt, or otherwise to be retired a long way ahead of schedule, and many of them were delivered more than 4 years late. I know for a fact that the IC4 project had terrible project management at AnsaldoBreda's plant in Italy. Since then, however, they've become better - and have also been bought out by Hitachi, though they still produce their trains in Italy.
Yes, it's normal to have issues on new products - but AnsaldoBreda had a period of time where they repeatedly made absolutely terrible and often dangerous products. In that period, they were much worse than most other companies, though they have improved since then and many of their newest trains are quite good.
Still performance is very poor,for these new trains
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They're certainly pug ugly front ends! They look more like local trains than Intercity's. Appalling first class (like all these days) with no class or plushness at all.