The V4 engine in Fulvia is narrow-angle V, which more like a VR6 engine, not like a Honda VFR. All cylinders are in one block, the angle is 13°, and it had one head. Thats why its sounds so good.
Wow, thanks for that info. I thought the engine must have been installed completed on its side or something, but its just on a slant with only one cam/rocker cover visible because there is only one period!
As a Fulvia owner, I can say that those cars need to be warmed carefully for about 10 minutes. After that, they will take any kind of abuse and are incredible fun to hoon around. No @ Matt, it would not be better if it was RWD, the FWD is why it won so often in rally events in the 60s and 70s and with the right driving style, you can make her fly. Well, not on those Florida roads, but on tight, winding b-roads, where they belong. Hope you can some day drive one again in its natural habitat, it would most probably be an eye opener for you.
I had a Fulvia myself back in the day (mid-seventies). Mine was only the standard 1.3L S3 coupe, a 1974 model. What a joy to drive!! I had a blast driving it around on British "B" roads back then when there were no speed cameras and less fuss about speeding in general. remember driving it at 100+ along the M4 when traffic was a lot less than these days. When I moved to America in 1979, sadly I sold that car :(
Current Lancia Fulvia 1.3 owner. They are great fun to drive. Definitely need some twisty b-roads to 'get it'. Flat out on some straight roads like this and it'll feel super light and washy. Need to load the front and carry momentum. Sound great too!
americans comment on a european rally car. and doesnt know nothing about (shame really). its geared short because in europe the rally stages in that period where very small and tight. its not meant for the big american roads. but for tight corners ON gravel, not tarmac. the steering is loose becouse when you rally on gravel, you dont want a steering that is to fast, you might end up in a tree or something. this is a very unique lancia fulvia rally car, and very rare.. it was succesfull in the end 60s, and begin mid 70s, it was also on of the first rally cars to have a dog-legg 5 speed gearbox, also the drivetrain is one of a kind. amazing cool car this is ♥
He's already shown that he's fully aware of why the cars are geared short, in fact he mentioned why several times on the Escort video, his complaint was that he's got a big long tarmac road when the cars are geared for dirt and short stages which would be a better place to showcase them. That subtlety may have passed you by, you're not teaching him anything.
And I own one, imagine how I felt when I saw the title and then the movie...what a shame! I'd expect matt to do some research on the cars. This was actualy Lancia's first world title rally winning car! It came with double wishbone front suspension, dog leg 5-speed gearbox and disc brakes in magnesium wheels all round (in the mid 60's!) and the engine is a narrow angle V4 with chain driven DOHC and one cilinderhead that covers both banks because of the narrow v angle. he could have compared it to the VR6 engine...on top of that the complete V of the engine is tilted over 45 degrees for pckaging reasons. lovely car and technicaly far ahead of its time.
No the car was not warmed up. Crazy. I have one of these, the water temp warms up very quickly, about 2 miles, but the oil temp takes about 10 to 12 miles to warm up. It has an oil cooler as standard. Should never rev the engine above about 4000 rpm before the oil is fully up to temperature.
Actually, it was warmed up. In fact, it was too warmed up, which was the problem. Read the video description: During the production of this video, the Fulvia experienced a fuel cavitation issue, the result of idling and filming flyby shots in very hot weather and humidity
These rally car vids could have been so much better. The "engineer" knew nothing about the cars. And the cars haven't appeared to be in best mechanical shape. Can't believe the owner of the collection didn't hire someone more knowledgeable.
lmao - "matter of fact, I don't think they ever raced this thing on tarmac" "how did the car do in competition?- I think it did really well" That dudes no professional, my guess is he's the thick as shit mate of some rich guy who gave him the job out of pity, he's probably had some previous experience fixing lawn mowers.
I always enjoyed Matt's One Takes, but honestly I'm very, very disappointed of this series about John J Campion Collection. I think that Matt had the opportunity to try some of the bests classic race cars of the 60's and 70's but all the story around it it's a complete fail. Most of the cars are badly "tuned" and maintained, like the Stratos with shooooorts gearing and the Alfa Giulia GT too...and this is only two example, in every car of the series are some issues. Other than that, there is this guy who sits with Matt that has no idea what cars he is talking about. He don't know anything but pretends to act like a "professor". His ignorance led Matt to abuse this cars with the risk to break them (like seems to happen here and on another video that now I don't remember...). All of that is a shame because, I repeat myself, this is a golden opportunity to drive and talk about epic historic cars. Sad.
Neither of them know enough to make money from this, which one of them does. He did a review of the stratos a while back and knew nothing! First dedicated car produced for rallying etc etc. You would think he would do some research and maybe TAKE OFF HIS sunglasses to introduce himself and the other guy. I watch videos for cars and in spite of him, not because of him... terrible reviewer. Repeats himself in every video.... jeremy clarkson he is not
@@sinnersspeed472 The passenger is not the owner, he is the technician that the owner hired to maintain his cars. I bet the owner knows a ton more about his cars since he went through so much trouble to import them in the US but he probably doesn't want to show himself on camera.
Mark StJust, this so called engineer knows absolutely nothing about these cars he's been in with Matt, not only that they sound like there not running right so yeah if he is a engineer he can't be a very good one
otagogold 22 All of John Campions' cars seem to be a bit weird. The Fulvia and the Stratos are geared in such a way that it's highly unlikely they're ever driven, especially given that they reside in florida. The fact that the "engineer" nearly takes a shit when Matt points the Stratos at a gravel car park suggests that the cars aren't rallied. He also has an Alfa GT1600 which has a body kit to make it look like the GTA, and in the petrolicious video he tootles around in his Delta S4 at pedestrian pace, on gravel, on slicks. In the petrolicious video Campion is at pains to point out that he doesn't own his cars for show, but two of them are geared to be unusable, one is a fake version of a GTA, the other is on the wrong tyres and he barely gets above 40mph in it... Despite his cars not being for show, they seem to appear in a lot of online videos all over the web. People will draw their own conclusions but to me John Campions cars scream of a speculative collection that are rarely driven and exist almost exclusively "for show". Having daily driven a Jaguar E-type for several years throughout the summer months in England, and in fact having run it in the snow at times, and as somebody who tracks a very rare car while everybody else is garaging them with their eyes glued to the residuals, this kind of car enthusiast really disappoints me. It's all about money and social posturing and not at all about getting your hands dirty or driving these cars the way in which the men who built them intended. You only have to watch people sliding twenty million pound Ferraris around next to 1950's S type Jag's at goodwood to see how real enthusiasts enjoy classic race cars. Obviously, this is youtube so I'll qualify this comment with the fact that this is only my opinion, I'm sure people will have completely different and just as valid opinions too.
otagogold 22 I forgot to mention in that comment that if I recall correctly, when his Lotus Cortina video went up a lot of people more in the know than myself said it had a Ford Pinto engine in it rather than the original. His collection seems to me to be a bunch of lookalike basket cases.
And the most recent video is of an Abarth 131 with a 1.8L engine rather than the 2.0L it should have, it's also geared way shorter than it ever would've been in rally spec' and the "engineer" quotes a dubious power figure. I'm calling bullshit on the Campion collection.
I have owned many different 1300s, two 1600HF Lussos, a 1600 Sport Zagato, and a 1969 1.6HF. If I had to pick one, it would be the 1600HF. A very easy car to live with, the heater works efficiently, and the windscreen wipers are acceptable. About 12 years ago, I even used it as daily transport. Very reliable, and very practical for a classic car.
Lots of people have lots to say regarding this series of videos . And that's because we really love these cars - and we love you too mat - but finding it all a bit frustrating . Apart from the car preparation , who keeps there rally cars in the middle of a swamp surrounded by flat straight roads ? - I get the impression that the owner likes to collect but not drive and truly enjoy . Can you imagine how good these cars would be with a little spanner work and taken to the canyons for a blast . . . . .
Matt: It goes to 9?? Andrew: Oh yeah! It's a little 4 banger, gotta make power somewhere! Matt: It's a little unhappy after 6. Lmao! In all seriousness though, hella cool car. Engine sounds amazing!
Most of these cars have had their engines rebuilt. A first series 1.6HF, if well prepared, probably produces max power around 7200 to 7500, red lining at about 7700 to 8000 rpm. Given the low gearing there should be no problem in maxing out in 4th gear, but 5th gear (which is 1 to 1) may struggle to get above 6700. This is mainly due to aerodynamics. In its day, it was considered to have good aerodynamics, but this is one area where there has been massive improvements over the years.
Steering on a Lancia Fulvia should be pin sharp.They are brilliant in the corners and the reason they were so successful as rally cars.As an owner i can attest to this.
Jarek Nowak, You are so correct. As a Swede I have driven a couple of these. One in fully kitted Rally version, but it was the 93; with a threepipe twostroke. It had freeweel, so no engine braking. A bit scary at first. Not sure if the Saab or the Lancia sold most over in the US.
The SAAB is a traditional style V-4, the Lancia has a V-4 that is more akin to the Volkswagen VR6 where it's a narrow angle V4 and uses a single head versus two heads like the SAAB does. It's why the SAAB sounds terrible and the Lancia sounds amazing.
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty damn sure you over-revved it by around 2000 RPM. The Fulvia 1.6 HF has a redline of 7000 RPM and makes peak power at around 6500, hence why it didn't want to accelerate past there and sounded awful when forced to do so.
Agreed, as standard. The car did some rallying (it is fitted with a roll cage, and has no air filter) so the engine might have been souped a bit. With the right preparation, it could be good for 7500 to 8000. Whatever, it is a long way short of 9000.
This car, by design, was meant for narrow winding roads (the lijes of Monte Carlo or San Remo rallye). Too bad to test it on straights. A 1600 4 pots with short geats can‘t do anything in such an environment. Cali‘s canyon are much more of its environment.
Car ride height looks a little high. Better steering with negative front camber (only 1,6 coupe had this) - come and try our race version in UK. A balanced car easily as good as Giulia around track.
First onetake with a break down. I guess it's only a matter of time. Matt just WROMPING on old ass classics that probably haven't been driven hard in a decade.
The same thing happened to me over the summer in my SA22C RX-7, but it's called vapor lock (fuel gets too hot and can't fuel the carb properly). My solution for this (taught to me by a random guy at a gas station) was to take some ice cubes and ice the fuel line (literally putting ice cubes on the fuel line going to the carb), it worked and I was back on the road within 10-15 minutes:) Now that it's winter here in northern Utah I don't have this issue anymore, but I have an in line fuel cooler ready for next summer to hopefully combat this issue
This must be the most pathetic showing of a car 'collection' I've ever seen ... It's ok if they just look like the real thing and are not driveable, but why not just keep them in a barn to impress your friends ?
Having a Group B 037 and Delta S4 in your collection(as seen in 0:38) is far from pathetic dude... They are pretty darn rare and worth big bucks. And most importantly, they are beast of a rally cars!
All cars shown so far have been barely functioning , and were none original Franken-cars . You are aware there are countless fakes out there, some better than others ? This collecion seems to go for the latter . Show ponies which don't even run properly , or have all the wrong specs and parts in them . There never was a Stratos with that final ratio, for example .
Being a HC rallyfan for 15 years, ofcourse I'm aware. I also cringed hard on the idiotic ratios of the stratos... But building a fake S4 or 037 is far more difficult task then an escort or this fulvia since they are tubular frame silhouette purpose built racecars, with no common & cheap bodies to build ur replica in. I have seen some a few 037 replicas(fairly well done) but not a single Delta S4's. But other than that, I can see what you mean... Still really hope Matt gets a go with the Group B monsters.
I like the fact it's front wheel drive. Makes it unique compared to Italian offerings of the era. Plus ive noticed how well the FWD cars do in hillclimb video's.
Lost fuel pressure at the end. I expect the electric fuel pump gave up and they bypassed the mechanical pump which is perfectly adequate I don't know why people do that. A 1600 fulvia engine is designed to run on only around 2.7 psi although most people set the fuel pressure to run at 3 -3.5 psi
The cars in this collection are presented very nicely and original. But they need a better mechanic. The Alfa they drove was down on power and choked, and this Lancia never completed a short trip. This guy may be a caretaker and cleaner, but Italian classic expert he is not.
I feel so sorry for all the rally cars in these florida vids, beautiful, light weight, and nimble little sports cars being driven down flat, flat, straight, boring roads while being insulted about their power. If its such a bad idea why have there been so many awesome Japanese, English, and Italian sports cars built over the last 60-70 years with 1.6 litre engines and 100-120hp?
I had a Fulvia as my 1st car, and have always owned at least one ever since. 2 of them I took to over 250,000 miles (bought 2nd hand with about 40,000 miles on the clock). I can count on 1 hand the number of times they have broken down, and one of these failures was an after market electronic ignition that I fitted..
Oh that was seriously embarrassing. Just a little research might have been a good idea, and your passenger also didn't have a clue. Yes...a dog-leg gearbox will have 5 ratios....! And the engine sounds so unique because it is a 13 degree V4 - -it is unique! And the Fulvia HF won the world rally championship in 1972 (I think..). As for the graunching u-turn......ouch. Definitely not your best work here...
Interesting about Lancia Fulva is that my 1968 Saab v4 deluxe is basically the same mechanical setup. I also have a v4 engine and front wheel drive only big difference I have 4 speed on the column. Big-time rally car in its time.
But engine design is very different. The Lancia is a narrow angle V4 (about 11.5 deg in 1600 cc form, about 13 deg in 1300 cc form) all located in one block with chain driven twin overhead cams and hemispherical combustion chambers with twin double choke carbs. Engine was high compression ration 10'5:1, with the homolgation cars having a 11.25;1 compression ratio. This design gives a very distinctive sound.
I was very sceptical about the 9k redline given that it's a 1.6 from the 60s. Turns out it can do 9k rpm but only once. Just put it into second at 90mph. It makes peak power around 6500 and it's probably not worth trying more than 7000. And I know it's an old engine with a weird layout so I have no baseline, and it could just be the microphone, but I can't help but feel it sounds like complete shit at higher revs, like the timing is seriously off and it's misfiring or something.
I own one of these, and know quite a bit about them. In standard form, they were not supposed to exceed 7000 rpm, and produce maximum power at about 6600 rpm. Top (5th gear) is 1:1 (which is unusual) and with standard tyres they can reach about 6500 rpm in top. Hologation cars (of which 500 were supposedly made) were higher tuned to about 132 bhp. Most of these cars have been modified, and if the engine is well prepared they will do around 8000 rpm. Incidentally, it has a 10,000 rpm tacho which is either unmarked, or which has a movable pointer which one can set to max rpm. This is because it shares the tacho with a contemporary Ferrari which obviously had a higher revving engine. That might be where the confusion of 9000rpm comes from.
The collection would've been far better served if it had been presented to Matt less casually. "Here's my stuff and some dude to ride with you," doesn't do the cars or Smoking Tire any justice. Most of these cars are extraordinary and deserved much better prep and presentation.
I very much that it goes to 9000. Mine has its engine built by Dalmazia Motorsport (Southern Italy's leading engine tuners), and it only goes to 8000, although they suggested 8500 on downward shifts should probably be OK. Crazy to take a 50 year old engine above 7000, and keeping to a max of 6500 is much more sensible.
Why does he keep mentioning the sound as unique? It’s a tuned v,4, that’s what they usually sound like. And a v4 was not uncommon in the 60s and 70s Europe, which makes odd and rather funny that he compares the engine to a motorcycle. In fact, Lancia was the first manufacturer to use the v4 engine in a production car way back in 1922 and Saab successfully raced with v4 engines in the Saab 96, winning both the Monte Carlo rally and the RAC rally on several occasions. Even Ford had a v4 engine in the German built Ford Taunus and the Ford Capri low spec models. In fact, it was ford who introduced the engine type to Saab at the time when they were still using their two strokes at the time.
Hi Matt, I love your One Takes and they're normally a highlight of TH-cam, but these ones with the Campion collection have been a bit of a let down. The 'engineer' really had no clue three quarters of the time and these cars all seem to have issues. I don't think it's down to you and I'm sure I would have jumped at the chance to do this series of videos with such a great roster of cars, but they've not been that good.
that engine is nuts V-4 flat top block so the piston crown is angled and its a cross flow head with different runner lengths, and the head is a twin can chain deal. later they messed up using Fiat stuff.
matt all those alfas and lancias have to be warmed the oil in while driving after the temp is at normal then you could go full throtle...anyway that fiat you`re making me wait too long to see it... come on matt i want to remenber those fiats
SAAB ACTUALLY MADE A REAR WHEEL DRIVE V4 WITH TWIN CARBS..HAD BOTH SOLEX OR WEBERS...Was actually a cool car .I had one for about 10 years but sold it .
The V4 engine in Fulvia is narrow-angle V, which more like a VR6 engine, not like a Honda VFR. All cylinders are in one block, the angle is 13°, and it had one head. Thats why its sounds so good.
Thanks. I was looking for the V.....
Sounds way better than the most supercars.
It's sound good because it has an 11/1 compression ratio forcing through a narrow exhaust, most cars even today are around 8/1.
Wow, thanks for that info. I thought the engine must have been installed completed on its side or something, but its just on a slant with only one cam/rocker cover visible because there is only one period!
Thank you for clarifying that. Great sounds!!
As a Fulvia owner, I can say that those cars need to be warmed carefully for about 10 minutes. After that, they will take any kind of abuse and are incredible fun to hoon around. No @ Matt, it would not be better if it was RWD, the FWD is why it won so often in rally events in the 60s and 70s and with the right driving style, you can make her fly. Well, not on those Florida roads, but on tight, winding b-roads, where they belong. Hope you can some day drive one again in its natural habitat, it would most probably be an eye opener for you.
I had a Fulvia myself back in the day (mid-seventies). Mine was only the standard 1.3L S3 coupe, a 1974 model. What a joy to drive!! I had a blast driving it around on British "B" roads back then when there were no speed cameras and less fuss about speeding in general. remember driving it at 100+ along the M4 when traffic was a lot less than these days. When I moved to America in 1979, sadly I sold that car :(
Current Lancia Fulvia 1.3 owner. They are great fun to drive. Definitely need some twisty b-roads to 'get it'. Flat out on some straight roads like this and it'll feel super light and washy. Need to load the front and carry momentum. Sound great too!
@Case Kyle yup, I've been watching on Flixzone} for since november myself =)
@Case Kyle definitely, been using Flixzone} for since november myself :)
americans comment on a european rally car. and doesnt know nothing about (shame really). its geared short because in europe the rally stages in that period where very small and tight. its not meant for the big american roads. but for tight corners ON gravel, not tarmac. the steering is loose becouse when you rally on gravel, you dont want a steering that is to fast, you might end up in a tree or something. this is a very unique lancia fulvia rally car, and very rare.. it was succesfull in the end 60s, and begin mid 70s, it was also on of the first rally cars to have a dog-legg 5 speed gearbox, also the drivetrain is one of a kind. amazing cool car this is ♥
He's already shown that he's fully aware of why the cars are geared short, in fact he mentioned why several times on the Escort video, his complaint was that he's got a big long tarmac road when the cars are geared for dirt and short stages which would be a better place to showcase them. That subtlety may have passed you by, you're not teaching him anything.
triggered :)
Took me less time you write than yours though ;)
You are absolutly right! He did'nt even know how Many gears the dogleg had. The questions he asks show me he did not know anything.
And I own one, imagine how I felt when I saw the title and then the movie...what a shame! I'd expect matt to do some research on the cars. This was actualy Lancia's first world title rally winning car! It came with double wishbone front suspension, dog leg 5-speed gearbox and disc brakes in magnesium wheels all round (in the mid 60's!) and the engine is a narrow angle V4 with chain driven DOHC and one cilinderhead that covers both banks because of the narrow v angle. he could have compared it to the VR6 engine...on top of that the complete V of the engine is tilted over 45 degrees for pckaging reasons. lovely car and technicaly far ahead of its time.
didn't let the car warm up before romping on it?
No the car was not warmed up. Crazy. I have one of these, the water temp warms up very quickly, about 2 miles, but the oil temp takes about 10 to 12 miles to warm up. It has an oil cooler as standard. Should never rev the engine above about 4000 rpm before the oil is fully up to temperature.
nothing like warming up an engine @6k rpm, lovely car.
Dani gonçalves how do you know that the engine wasn't warmed up before the video began?
because they say so
Actually, it was warmed up. In fact, it was too warmed up, which was the problem. Read the video description: During the production of this video, the Fulvia experienced a fuel cavitation issue, the result of idling and filming flyby shots in very hot weather and humidity
i was being ironic my friend, i think you missed that :)
These rally car vids could have been so much better. The "engineer" knew nothing about the cars. And the cars haven't appeared to be in best mechanical shape. Can't believe the owner of the collection didn't hire someone more knowledgeable.
lmao - "matter of fact, I don't think they ever raced this thing on tarmac" "how did the car do in competition?- I think it did really well" That dudes no professional, my guess is he's the thick as shit mate of some rich guy who gave him the job out of pity, he's probably had some previous experience fixing lawn mowers.
Never raced on tarmac? Does the Targa Florio ring any bell at this "mechanic" guy...it's only one of the greatest races of all time.
Bringing these beautiful European cars to a vulgar/flat/boring place like florida is a sacrilege.
To the best of my knowledge, a 60s Lancia V4 engine will run just fine in any climate if it is set up properly .
Or at all .
I always enjoyed Matt's One Takes, but honestly I'm very, very disappointed of this series about John J Campion Collection. I think that Matt had the opportunity to try some of the bests classic race cars of the 60's and 70's but all the story around it it's a complete fail. Most of the cars are badly "tuned" and maintained, like the Stratos with shooooorts gearing and the Alfa Giulia GT too...and this is only two example, in every car of the series are some issues.
Other than that, there is this guy who sits with Matt that has no idea what cars he is talking about. He don't know anything but pretends to act like a "professor". His ignorance led Matt to abuse this cars with the risk to break them (like seems to happen here and on another video that now I don't remember...). All of that is a shame because, I repeat myself, this is a golden opportunity to drive and talk about epic historic cars. Sad.
It's sad that Matt knows more about the car than the fucking owner.
Neither of them know enough to make money from this, which one of them does. He did a review of the stratos a while back and knew nothing! First dedicated car produced for rallying etc etc. You would think he would do some research and maybe TAKE OFF HIS sunglasses to introduce himself and the other guy.
I watch videos for cars and in spite of him, not because of him... terrible reviewer. Repeats himself in every video.... jeremy clarkson he is not
@@sinnersspeed472 The passenger is not the owner, he is the technician that the owner hired to maintain his cars. I bet the owner knows a ton more about his cars since he went through so much trouble to import them in the US but he probably doesn't want to show himself on camera.
So? what happens after the camera is off?
Naufal Kusumah the car sits for an hour, cools down, and then is fine.
might have been overheating gasoline, starving the carburettor from fuel.
Yes, sounds like vapor lock to me
Oh cool, again straight road with a guy in the passenger seat who knows nothing about these cars.
Kiwis absolute shame the road is so straight
Kiwis, yeah that guy doesn't know anything about these cars he brought matt to drive, I'm glad we don't have boring roads like this in nz aye
Ya the guy said the fwd was unique. There have been like literally 40 different fwd rally cars.
Kiwis But he's an engineer... a train engineer.
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Matt is the only english speaking person I've ever heard to pronounce Lancia almost in the right way.
AviatoreGK its pronounced " LAN see A " not how Matt said it.
drgibs347 are you trying to teach italian language to an italian? This car was made 30 km away from my home.
AviatoreGK ok, so how. Do you say it then, ratatouille??
Lan Sheh.
Lan cha
That engine is fantastic. A pitty they drive it too cold. A good way to destroy it.
... and the video just ends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Classic!
How's this dude a mechanic? I could better if I just took five minutes to prepare
my dad had a fulvia when he was young and we're hopefully getting a 1.3 rallye sometime in the future for those great finnish summers
Good choice. When I lived in Norway, I took my 1600HF over. It was great fun driving on the twisty roads. Behaved faultlessly.
Lancia Fulvia, famed for its five speed box yet this "engineer" wasn't sure.
Mark StJust, this so called engineer knows absolutely nothing about these cars he's been in with Matt, not only that they sound like there not running right so yeah if he is a engineer he can't be a very good one
otagogold 22 All of John Campions' cars seem to be a bit weird.
The Fulvia and the Stratos are geared in such a way that it's highly unlikely they're ever driven, especially given that they reside in florida. The fact that the "engineer" nearly takes a shit when Matt points the Stratos at a gravel car park suggests that the cars aren't rallied.
He also has an Alfa GT1600 which has a body kit to make it look like the GTA, and in the petrolicious video he tootles around in his Delta S4 at pedestrian pace, on gravel, on slicks.
In the petrolicious video Campion is at pains to point out that he doesn't own his cars for show, but two of them are geared to be unusable, one is a fake version of a GTA, the other is on the wrong tyres and he barely gets above 40mph in it...
Despite his cars not being for show, they seem to appear in a lot of online videos all over the web.
People will draw their own conclusions but to me John Campions cars scream of a speculative collection that are rarely driven and exist almost exclusively "for show".
Having daily driven a Jaguar E-type for several years throughout the summer months in England, and in fact having run it in the snow at times, and as somebody who tracks a very rare car while everybody else is garaging them with their eyes glued to the residuals, this kind of car enthusiast really disappoints me.
It's all about money and social posturing and not at all about getting your hands dirty or driving these cars the way in which the men who built them intended.
You only have to watch people sliding twenty million pound Ferraris around next to 1950's S type Jag's at goodwood to see how real enthusiasts enjoy classic race cars.
Obviously, this is youtube so I'll qualify this comment with the fact that this is only my opinion, I'm sure people will have completely different and just as valid opinions too.
Tom Clarke I agree with you totally, something is just not right, weird for sure.
otagogold 22 I forgot to mention in that comment that if I recall correctly, when his Lotus Cortina video went up a lot of people more in the know than myself said it had a Ford Pinto engine in it rather than the original. His collection seems to me to be a bunch of lookalike basket cases.
And the most recent video is of an Abarth 131 with a 1.8L engine rather than the 2.0L it should have, it's also geared way shorter than it ever would've been in rally spec' and the "engineer" quotes a dubious power figure. I'm calling bullshit on the Campion collection.
Nothing like a one take while baked #morningbowlsquad
CastironCowboy Haha, bout to pack a bowl to this. Cheers man!
#onetoke
CastironCowboy Yeah man i have a bowl packed with captin crunch.
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oh my god, my favourite car!
Good stuff, Matt. I've been waiting for this video. I own a rare '72 Lancia Fulvia 1600HF Lusso. It's the same car as this, without the racey bits.
Just like mine :) th-cam.com/video/dlw6LCxAp4Y/w-d-xo.html
I have owned many different 1300s, two 1600HF Lussos, a 1600 Sport Zagato, and a 1969 1.6HF. If I had to pick one, it would be the 1600HF. A very easy car to live with, the heater works efficiently, and the windscreen wipers are acceptable. About 12 years ago, I even used it as daily transport. Very reliable, and very practical for a classic car.
this guy doesn't seem to know much about cars but just a thrill seeker
Oh my. I hope that O37 in the background at the start is getting a one take soon.
Ah man... Such a nice car. When I saw the thumbnail I prayed to the Greek Gods that Andrew would not be in the video...but no.
Matt + Italian Auto = Instant Like
Morning Dump Squad hype
like clockwork
They are sweating so much, hope Matt got extra ball powder lol.
Love your content Matt thank you
This is a way of life in Florida, middle of December and our humidity is 97% - imagine what its like when its 90 degrees or higher as well.
sergh8605 I temporarily ceased my sack powdering to watch this video.
GunslingerGrim Guess I have to buy more ball powder lol
Lots of people have lots to say regarding this series of videos . And that's because we really love these cars - and we love you too mat - but finding it all a bit frustrating . Apart from the car preparation , who keeps there rally cars in the middle of a swamp surrounded by flat straight roads ? - I get the impression that the owner likes to collect but not drive and truly enjoy . Can you imagine how good these cars would be with a little spanner work and taken to the canyons for a blast . . . . .
Loving these rally cars! Keep up the great vids
Matt: It goes to 9??
Andrew: Oh yeah! It's a little 4 banger, gotta make power somewhere!
Matt: It's a little unhappy after 6. Lmao!
In all seriousness though, hella cool car. Engine sounds amazing!
Some engineer. The Fulvia redlines at 7.
I'm worried about how well these cars are actually being taken care of.
Most of these cars have had their engines rebuilt. A first series 1.6HF, if well prepared, probably produces max power around 7200 to 7500, red lining at about 7700 to 8000 rpm. Given the low gearing there should be no problem in maxing out in 4th gear, but 5th gear (which is 1 to 1) may struggle to get above 6700. This is mainly due to aerodynamics. In its day, it was considered to have good aerodynamics, but this is one area where there has been massive improvements over the years.
AWESOME car!!!!! Thanks for sharing!!
I'm cherishing these last one takes. Way to ruin my morning dumps Matt...
These fulvias are really cool. I think they have a very borrow angle v4. I think it might be like a vr6 with one head for two banks.
you could have found a better road to test these cars out on,,,,,, there European rally cars not american straight line weapons, find some twisty bits
c m It's Florida, there aren't any twisty bits.
thats a shame, these sort of cars come into there own when you throw them around some bends
It's sad that this car ends up living in a flat swamp like florida
Hey Matt, what was wrong in the end?
I'm presuming no more 'One Wakes' either?
YourBrother he's an idiot ..he should have just said he's going to do them once a month or something like that..lol
Steering on a Lancia Fulvia should be pin sharp.They are brilliant in the corners and the reason they were so successful as rally cars.As an owner i can attest to this.
Saab 96 rallye also had the same configuration with V4 and front wheel drive. About the same performance and a direct opponent to the Lancia.
CoNa68 SAAB had Ford v4
Jarek Nowak, You are so correct. As a Swede I have driven a couple of these. One in fully kitted Rally version, but it was the 93; with a threepipe twostroke. It had freeweel, so no engine braking. A bit scary at first. Not sure if the Saab or the Lancia sold most over in the US.
CoNa68 jag kommer from Polen, men nu jag bor i Fisksätra :) Jag älskar gamla bilar.
Mvh.
Jarek.
The SAAB is a traditional style V-4, the Lancia has a V-4 that is more akin to the Volkswagen VR6 where it's a narrow angle V4 and uses a single head versus two heads like the SAAB does. It's why the SAAB sounds terrible and the Lancia sounds amazing.
Yeah Saab 96 has Ford of Germany taunus engine
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty damn sure you over-revved it by around 2000 RPM. The Fulvia 1.6 HF has a redline of 7000 RPM and makes peak power at around 6500, hence why it didn't want to accelerate past there and sounded awful when forced to do so.
Agreed, as standard. The car did some rallying (it is fitted with a roll cage, and has no air filter) so the engine might have been souped a bit. With the right preparation, it could be good for 7500 to 8000. Whatever, it is a long way short of 9000.
This car, by design, was meant for narrow winding roads (the lijes of Monte Carlo or San Remo rallye). Too bad to test it on straights. A 1600 4 pots with short geats can‘t do anything in such an environment. Cali‘s canyon are much more of its environment.
That guy has a super nice Garage.. wonder how many of those he still has.
Wow they should both get out of the car and go home. Totally NO idea either of them.
Car ride height looks a little high. Better steering with negative front camber (only 1,6 coupe had this) - come and try our race version in UK. A balanced car easily as good as Giulia around track.
That’s what I thought as well. It looks off. I wonder if its an American post construction.
Think the majority of cars from this collection are fwd no?
Only this one. The rest are rwd, the Delta is awd.
Sir Moke Got this guy mixed with another fella, cheers
First onetake with a break down. I guess it's only a matter of time. Matt just WROMPING on old ass classics that probably haven't been driven hard in a decade.
MrFunk nor letting warm them up
The same thing happened to me over the summer in my SA22C RX-7, but it's called vapor lock (fuel gets too hot and can't fuel the carb properly). My solution for this (taught to me by a random guy at a gas station) was to take some ice cubes and ice the fuel line (literally putting ice cubes on the fuel line going to the carb), it worked and I was back on the road within 10-15 minutes:)
Now that it's winter here in northern Utah I don't have this issue anymore, but I have an in line fuel cooler ready for next summer to hopefully combat this issue
Beautiful car but can't really understand who is this for. Sitting in some garage as a collector piece - makes me sad.
skirne -
I felt the same. Florida roads don't do this car justice.
Who remembers when Jay Leno said that the name of this car sounds like "some womans parts" lol
He once said you can fit a Mexican family in the trunk lol 😂
@@lilsloppynutsack1799 extreme lool
Are Lancia's the Maybach's of the future?
This must be the most pathetic showing of a car 'collection' I've ever seen ...
It's ok if they just look like the real thing and are not driveable, but why not just keep them in a barn to impress your friends ?
Having a Group B 037 and Delta S4 in your collection(as seen in 0:38) is far from pathetic dude... They are pretty darn rare and worth big bucks. And most importantly, they are beast of a rally cars!
All cars shown so far have been barely functioning , and were none original Franken-cars .
You are aware there are countless fakes out there, some better than others ?
This collecion seems to go for the latter .
Show ponies which don't even run properly , or have all the wrong specs and parts in them .
There never was a Stratos with that final ratio, for example .
Being a HC rallyfan for 15 years, ofcourse I'm aware. I also cringed hard on the idiotic ratios of the stratos... But building a fake S4 or 037 is far more difficult task then an escort or this fulvia since they are tubular frame silhouette purpose built racecars, with no common & cheap bodies to build ur replica in. I have seen some a few 037 replicas(fairly well done) but not a single Delta S4's.
But other than that, I can see what you mean...
Still really hope Matt gets a go with the Group B monsters.
Ok, had too google and there seems to atleast one proper S4 replica, I take that back.
my guess is vapor lock, lol
I like the fact it's front wheel drive. Makes it unique compared to Italian offerings of the era. Plus ive noticed how well the FWD cars do in hillclimb video's.
Is this John Campion's collection? Really hope you got up close to the S4, 037 and the Delta
What was it???
Awesome, rally car on a straight paved road.
Didn't this race at Monaco?
LazyRock montecarlo
One of my favorite rally cars. Yesss.
Blocked main jet?
Beautiful car!
Lost fuel pressure at the end. I expect the electric fuel pump gave up and they bypassed the mechanical pump which is perfectly adequate I don't know why people do that. A 1600 fulvia engine is designed to run on only around 2.7 psi although most people set the fuel pressure to run at 3 -3.5 psi
Letting these guys drive and comment on a Lancia Fulvia HF is like taking a Hillbilly to the Opera.
you should drive the car again up north a bit where it's cold and we have snow on the ground :p
The cars in this collection are presented very nicely and original. But they need a better mechanic. The Alfa they drove was down on power and choked, and this Lancia never completed a short trip. This guy may be a caretaker and cleaner, but Italian classic expert he is not.
I feel so sorry for all the rally cars in these florida vids, beautiful, light weight, and nimble little sports cars being driven down flat, flat, straight, boring roads while being insulted about their power. If its such a bad idea why have there been so many awesome Japanese, English, and Italian sports cars built over the last 60-70 years with 1.6 litre engines and 100-120hp?
Well, there is no way having 1st down left if you have 4 speeds. Was even any gearbox made like that?
What was wrong with the Lancia?
Most genuine Lancia video in a while, breakdown and everything 😂😂😂
Imagine owning a huge collection of rally cars and all the nearby roads are boring AF
Where the hell is part 2?
'what about a fifth gear - is there one? (after 10 mins max revs in 4th). Oh there it is..' lol
how is this guy an "engineer" he can never answer Matt's questions.
Jonah Babnick, he's a lawnmower engineer
Omg that exhaust note is sex.
Matt, I hope you do a video on the white Fiat in the background.
It looks just like dirt rally. Crazy!
Forget the Fulvia on a straight road. That is a Rally car! And please... take that Scorpion to Sebring... it would... complete me.
Surprise surprise the Lancia broke down!
I had a Fulvia as my 1st car, and have always owned at least one ever since. 2 of them I took to over 250,000 miles (bought 2nd hand with about 40,000 miles on the clock). I can count on 1 hand the number of times they have broken down, and one of these failures was an after market electronic ignition that I fitted..
Correct Richard, the same old story about "poor reliability" from people who know nothing about Lancia (and the Fulvia in particular)
Thats why Matt stopped TheSmokingTire program ^^
Oh that was seriously embarrassing. Just a little research might have been a good idea, and your passenger also didn't have a clue. Yes...a dog-leg gearbox will have 5 ratios....! And the engine sounds so unique because it is a 13 degree V4 - -it is unique! And the Fulvia HF won the world rally championship in 1972 (I think..).
As for the graunching u-turn......ouch.
Definitely not your best work here...
High redline? Well, if the capacity is restricted the only way of reaching high power is thru revs.
Perfect video to watch while taking a morning shit
Not his car?
This car sounds like the love child of an old carbed ferrari(dino or somthing) and an ej from an sti 😂😂😂 i love it ❤️
Spanish original plate, from Tenerife (TF) in Canary Islands.
Interesting about Lancia Fulva is that my 1968 Saab v4 deluxe is basically the same mechanical setup. I also have a v4 engine and front wheel drive only big difference I have 4 speed on the column. Big-time rally car in its time.
But engine design is very different. The Lancia is a narrow angle V4 (about 11.5 deg in 1600 cc form, about 13 deg in 1300 cc form) all located in one block with chain driven twin overhead cams and hemispherical combustion chambers with twin double choke carbs. Engine was high compression ration 10'5:1, with the homolgation cars having a 11.25;1 compression ratio. This design gives a very distinctive sound.
Chassis was used for the Stratos Zero.
I was very sceptical about the 9k redline given that it's a 1.6 from the 60s. Turns out it can do 9k rpm but only once. Just put it into second at 90mph. It makes peak power around 6500 and it's probably not worth trying more than 7000. And I know it's an old engine with a weird layout so I have no baseline, and it could just be the microphone, but I can't help but feel it sounds like complete shit at higher revs, like the timing is seriously off and it's misfiring or something.
I agree totally and I definitely lied I never agreed to this bullshit
I own one of these, and know quite a bit about them. In standard form, they were not supposed to exceed 7000 rpm, and produce maximum power at about 6600 rpm. Top (5th gear) is 1:1 (which is unusual) and with standard tyres they can reach about 6500 rpm in top.
Hologation cars (of which 500 were supposedly made) were higher tuned to about 132 bhp. Most of these cars have been modified, and if the engine is well prepared they will do around 8000 rpm.
Incidentally, it has a 10,000 rpm tacho which is either unmarked, or which has a movable pointer which one can set to max rpm. This is because it shares the tacho with a contemporary Ferrari which obviously had a higher revving engine. That might be where the confusion of 9000rpm
comes from.
Its a narrow V engine, like the vr6 for example, with only one head
The collection would've been far better served if it had been presented to Matt less casually. "Here's my stuff and some dude to ride with you," doesn't do the cars or Smoking Tire any justice. Most of these cars are extraordinary and deserved much better prep and presentation.
2:53 But mine? MINE GOES TO NINE!
I very much that it goes to 9000. Mine has its engine built by Dalmazia Motorsport (Southern Italy's leading engine tuners), and it only goes to 8000, although they suggested 8500 on downward shifts should probably be OK.
Crazy to take a 50 year old engine above 7000, and keeping to a max of 6500 is much more sensible.
When they are cold ??? Redlining at 6000 rpm ? Ma come onnnnnnnnnn !
Why does he keep mentioning the sound as unique? It’s a tuned v,4, that’s what they usually sound like. And a v4 was not uncommon in the 60s and 70s Europe, which makes odd and rather funny that he compares the engine to a motorcycle. In fact, Lancia was the first manufacturer to use the v4 engine in a production car way back in 1922 and Saab successfully raced with v4 engines in the Saab 96, winning both the Monte Carlo rally and the RAC rally on several occasions. Even Ford had a v4 engine in the German built Ford Taunus and the Ford Capri low spec models. In fact, it was ford who introduced the engine type to Saab at the time when they were still using their two strokes at the time.
Two box design? So that will be the boot (trunk), passenger cabin, and eh...is that it? I’m sure there is one other...
Hi Matt, I love your One Takes and they're normally a highlight of TH-cam, but these ones with the Campion collection have been a bit of a let down. The 'engineer' really had no clue three quarters of the time and these cars all seem to have issues. I don't think it's down to you and I'm sure I would have jumped at the chance to do this series of videos with such a great roster of cars, but they've not been that good.
that engine is nuts V-4 flat top block so the piston crown is angled and its a cross flow head with different runner lengths, and the head is a twin can chain deal. later they messed up using Fiat stuff.
Wow! You were in Jax!
Love this car on Forza, well fizzy
My best car in dirt rally 2.0
So this is why one takes ended, had to pay for the "issue" expenses lol.
matt all those alfas and lancias have to be warmed the oil in while driving after the temp is at normal then you could go full throtle...anyway that fiat you`re making me wait too long to see it... come on matt i want to remenber those fiats
sefhyro these cars have all been sufficiently warmed up before I drive them, obviously.
TheSmokingTire ohh ok my bad, did you guys found out what was the issue?
3:54 "it might just be cold"
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Bernhard Ire damn, you right
TheSmokingTire, your full of shit matt why did he say it might just be cold, then you said let's just cruise and let it warm up lol
stunning machine.
SAAB ACTUALLY MADE A REAR WHEEL DRIVE V4 WITH TWIN CARBS..HAD BOTH SOLEX OR WEBERS...Was actually a cool car
.I had one for about 10 years but sold it .
has an ignition problem by sounds. probably points.