This is actually very useful. I didn't know the 2.5 inch uses a sata data, and since my mobo doesn't have a m.2 drive maybe I should get a 2.5 ssd for it
if it doesnt have a m.2 slot buy a expansion card that adds one, the only down side is you will not be able to use it as a boot drive so get a 2.5 ssd as a boot drive
@@crazydogowner only coupole of things you need to make sure: look at your mobo's guide you want a pcie x4 slot for the expansion card then make sure the expansion card supports the full speed of whatever gen of pcie your mobo supports, I.E. pcie gen 4 x 4 (most should have at least a gen 3 x4 or gen 4 x4 slot unless its really old )
Also very important, is the type of NAND flash. There is SLC, MLC, TLC, and QLC, with TLC and QLC being the most common. While QLC SSDs are cheap for the capacity, they’re generally not recommended for reliability because of their higher likely hood of error. For a boot drive, look for an MLC or TLC drive as these offer great price to performance to reliability without getting prohibitively expensive like an SLC drive.
@@brunobmartim it _is_ basics. QLC is literally meant for cheap r*tards. It has no place in a quality system that is expected to last reasonably long and retain data with minimum corruptions when it finally starts failing.
@@tumultoustortellini that one's a TLC. In any case, Samsung is the only real NAND manufacturer, period. With 10+ year warranty to boot. Buying anything else is shooting yourself in the foot, especially considering how Samsung EVO series prices are pretty much the same as TLCs from other vendors nowadays.
You can find a Gen 4 2TB TeamGroup MP44L M.2 NVME for around $60-70 these days, and they generally don't require an extra heatsink because they used a new material for the top sticker that acts as a heatsink.
As a 2TB drive that may be cheap but I wouldn't recommend something that lacks a DRAM cache on board. It has HMB but the performance is nowhere near as good as something like a 980 Pro 1TB which has a DRAM cache on it and can be had for just over $50USD
@@pancakewafflesfunny you say that because the model he is talking comes with dram cache Edit: Im wrong, it comes with slower cache that every drive comes with*
@@MnDogman It actually doesn't, please tell me where you got the information. I used a google sheet with several hundred SSDs on it to verify that it lacks cache
Yes, basically, nvme is good for storing your os and maybe your most played/demanding games, but 2.5 inch sata ssds are good for upgrading storage if your motherboard doesn't have enough nvme slots and there also pretty fast especially compared to a hard drive
I remember being introduced to SSDs over 10 years ago when I brought my old Windows VISTA laptop to a repair shop. Something happened with my drive, so they asked if I wanted to upgrade to an SSD. I was like what's that? And they just said it's a "regular hard drive" but makes everything faster. And I was like okay go for it man. 😂 Little did I know my life changed, because he brought new life to that laptop just by putting an SSD
Another important thing to know, some SSD’s do not have cache, and those are best to avoid, since they are barely faster (sometimes even slower) than a traditional hard drive. The annoying thing is that it’s often not listed in the specifications whether the drive does or does not have onboard cache, so you’ll have to google the serial number. There are however lists online with both 2.5 sata drives as well as M.2 ssd’s which are known to have cache.
Also, need to be stated, do not buy old NVME without dram cache. New NVME is less an issue since it is quite fast and most is split into NVME with DRAM or NVME with HBM
@@zazelskycrest2525what’s better for gaming ? I’m still on am4 and don’t care about the budget. I don’t need more than 1tb, I just want something fast to get more consistency. My external ssd does the job but I’m losing out on consistency. From 500 read / write to 7000 read / write is a huge jump lol.
@@silfrido1768 unless you constantly installing new games and need it to be ready in a snap, just either one will work, since once it is fully loaded, the different in boot time will be in 1 to 3 second. Direct storage tech also not matured enough currently
SATA drives, 2.5 or mSATA, are completely fine for day to day use. Most games can't even take advantage PCIe 3.0 x4 drives, though that is changing. Main advantage of PCIe drives are transfer speeds, which only benefits you if you transfer large files between drives regularly. Still, ANY SSD would be better than spinning rust drives.
@@nightfisher6676 not really, Operating Systems like Windows rely more on small random read performance rather than large sequential reads. I did a few tests when I upgraded from a Samsung 870 evo (SATA) to a Crucial P5 Plus (PCIe 4.0 nvme) and the load times were within 5 seconds of each other on average.
Bro, I think it was worth mentioning that people with older builds or who can't afford an nvme for whatever reason don't get disheartened. Purely gaming, in loading times you mostly don't even see a difference between a 2.5 inch ssd and an nvme.
Hi there dude I currently have a 1tb nvme ssd and I need more storage but I dont have another m. 2 slot if I upgrade to 2.5 am I going to see a big difference or no? I just need it for gaming my windows will always be on the m. 2
Like these days some games just go straight to gameplay from the start menu and if I dont have a m. 2 for these games is that going to affect my loading speed?
Nvme is cheaper than sata nowdays Unless you plan on buying an 8tb drive. If you have m.2 on your motherboard there is 0 reason to buy a sata. Only if you fill up the m.2 slots or if you need an 8tb drive.
More like "people with older builds that can't use nvme without an expansion card", I'd say. Because nowadays nvme sticks are not that much more expensive than sata ssd. Both are very affordable than it was 2 years ago.
@@junilogthe prices of them are usually clashing with each other. I think if anything, it would be sensible to add the SATA M.2 on top of the existing HDD/SSD for extra space.
@@spawnersiak it's important for the OS 🤦♂️ If it's just for your secondary drive then go ahead and use DRAM less SSDs, it will be fine. But if it's for your boot drive, then you should be using SSDs with a DRAM cache. Sequential speed ain't the first thing that's the most important part when it comes to operating system. Tell me you've never tried both drives as an OS drive to compare them without even telling me smh 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Fun fact : in CDs , datas are written by high intensity lasers, it physically changes the structure of a layer in CDs to make Ups and downs. these corresponds to 0/1 or binary hence the data
MB/s* B and b symbols are referring to two different units. You can use them together in a sentence, but you *can't* use them interchangeably. You'd still need to convert them numbers, just like inches vs centimeters.
@@kennethravanilla1422some ssd’s don’t have cache, often making them slower than hard drives. It isn’t listed in the spec sheets most of the time, so you’ll have to google the exact model to find out whether it has a cache or doesn’t. I’d personally just stick to a samsung m.2 as (from my knowledge) samsung doesn’t have any m.2 drives that don’t have cache.
@@crisedthey dont make them slower than hard disk drives dude. Their write speeds tank but still faster than hdd and their read speeds are almost the same. Though I agree he should have mebtiined that as well as different size m.2 drives. Sometimes a full size m.2 wont fit in say a laptop or small form factor pc.
I love these videos. I just got into electronics and I upgraded my laptop with more ram and switched out the cpu in my dad’s workstation for him. It was surprisingly fun and I love learning new things like this
Not exactly. some games use data streaming to stream the game assets and will benefit from a faster ssd. Super ram heavy games will also run better on a faster drive as the pagefile will be faster.
@@fade2black001 Depends on the games you play yes :) Some major titles like FC24, Forza, Diablo IV and Forspoken already support it. At this moment I wouldn't invest in a sata SSD for gaming
A bit of guidance on the NVMe types would also be good. Example: If the PCIe 4.0 drive is not at least a 5,000MB/s drive, going with a PCIe 3.0 drive that has a DRAM cache is a better idea.
Fun fact: The 2.5" referenced on SATA SSDs *does* *not* refer to the size of the drive itself, but to that of a comparably-sized HDD's internal platter.
There’s also a 2.5 and 3.5 inch ssd that uses the u.2 connector, which is similiar to sata connector, but can support sata, sas, and pcie. One advantage of this over m.2 is that it’s hot swappable. But it is usually locked to enterprise market
what's way more importat than the maximum bandwith (as most of the benefits stems from the lower latency) is actually which type of NAND is used (Single Level Cell, SLC, though practically gone, would be best Quadruple Level Cell, QLC, is worst) and also get a SSD with DRAM buffer because otherwise it will suck if you copy a lot of data.
I had an MSI 170 something motherboard with a 2.5 seta SSD and recently upgraded a bunch of parts and went with an msi z690 and have a m.2 nvme now. It’s actually crazy how much faster doing anything on my pc is, startup time, opening apps, games, clicking around the desktop, everything is 4-5x faster. If you’re thinking about upgrading this is 100% the first thing to upgrade!
I was into SSDs early on, +20 years ago and i find it crazy that it is only in the last 8-10 years it has become the standard. However, any name brand SSD nowadays, including a SATA one will pretty much start windows instantly, games and maps will also load in mere moments. If you work with really big files it might make sense to get some super-performance stuff... Otherwise just get some basic shit.
The 3.5" sata ssd's are great options for storage on your PC. Personally i usually go with a 500gb nvme for a boot drive. Then i toss in a couple of 1tb 3.5's for storage.
Not just the motherboard, it also matters if your CPU supports the relevant PCIe generation. For example, the Ryzen 5600G seems like a good budget option but gen4 SSD's will only run at gen3 speeds
Sequential write and read speed should be the least important thing that a pc gamer is worrying about. As long as it’s a nvme ssd, the sequential r & w speed will be enough for most of us. However, you should put more attention onto the random r & w speed, 4K speed, and speed when caches are exhausted. Also, you should search for reviews for the specific ssd you’re planning to purchase because the ssd you’re looking at may have some problems causing you a headache (such as previous 980 pro, 0E issue, it may causing your ssd die earlier and your data is gone).
Not only the motherboard needs to support the faster PCI, the CPU also needs. The Ryzen 5500 for example can only support PCI 3.0, even if you put on a motherboard with a PCI 4.0 port.
Actualy pretty easy to look up what your port supports in device manager vor windows! Or just search the specifications of your motberboard online! I'm gonna have to replace my ssd pretty soon but i think my priority is a graphics card
From my experience, Sata SSD is a huge step up from a 7200 RPM HDD, Boot up times on my SATA is around 6 seconds HDD: 5 minutes, Windows 10. 6 MINUTES 32 seconds Windows 11 NvME: PCIE, 3 seconds PCIE 3.0, Game loading times are insanely faster then SATA SSD PCIE: 4.0 2.7 Seconds Windows 10 2.4 Seconds Windows 11, I mainly noticed the Transfer of files on PCIE 4.0 Faster and helps with me using USB Transfers to Kernal my phones
Above a SATA SSD you won't notice any difference in loading speed for games. However, newer games are start to makes use of direct storage which in a sentence, is bypassing the CPU for faster loading. So its best to stick with nvme SSDs not sure if SATA SSDs are supported.
Btw their is an addendum for this. While 2.5 Sata SSDs might be slower, they are cheaper so if you're on a tight budget trying to get tons of GBs per ¢ and coming from an HDD a 2.5 SSD would be fine. Since it will be a speed improvement with a decent price compared to an HDD in terms of GB per ¢
I recently installed a 2230 gen 4 NVMe in my (1st Gen) Surface Laptop Go that came with eMMC and now that thing is blistering fast and at some times also blistering hot. Turns out I should have used a gen 3 instead, but I'm glad it works!
From experience, SATA SSDs are fast enough. As a boot drive and for general use, the full SATA bandwidth is rarely used. The only time you get to use the full speed of NVMe drives is for massive file transfers.
You should also add the cache(don’t know if it’s there right term). Since cheap NVME SSD have almost none and also the worse Type, they can get as slow as a HDD even in Windows idle. The crucial P3 is a good example: cheap as **** but I would not recommend it as a windows drive.
I want to add that where you said that the double pins means SATA, that is only in some. You can get NVME ones that have double (2 pins). It's a massive misunderstanding and misconception that is around with the NVME and double pins. The reason I know because by Lenovo L480 takes a 2242 NVME SSD but it takes the double pin one.
Notation is different depending on the unit: MB/s = Mega*bytes* per second. Mbps = Megabits per second. As stated by other replies, a megabit is 1/8 of a megabyte. So (e.g.) 480Mbps = 60MB/s.
Write and read speeds are sometimes not a thing to consider. My 2.5 ssd with dram cache can unpack big 7z files much faster than my other nvme ssd that do not have a dram cache.
The absolute best youre going to need is gen3 nvme and even then unless youre copying huge chunks of data at a time youll never know the difference from a sata one. On a gaming rig since satas and gen3s are pretty much the same price nowadays might as well get nvme but if your board doesnt support m.2 a 2.5 sata is plenty good enough.
Best is the gen 4 most widely supported and a tb you can get around 120 to 150 bucks depending on speed n brand the gen 5 is a lot less common and super expansive
You forgot to mention that your CPU must also support the pci speed of your M. 2 to see full speed of the drive. For example AMD Ryzen 5 5600G supports PCI Express 3.0. You can install and use a PCI Express 4.0 M.2 but it will only go PCI Express 3.0 speed.
I have a 1GB P3. The hp x360 m.2 slot was for some intel optane tech. It was empty. Internet said i should look at the manual before deciding ssd capacity. HP Manual said 512gb. I went with 1tb P3. Happy with my decision.
A long time ago I bought a 240gb Kingston SATA SSD and replaced my raid 0. It made a complete difference. I've been using different kind of SATA ssds since but then comes the time to upgrade and I get an i7 8700k with a motherboard that had nvme. I haven't used that port for a year or so because I was lazy and thought it wouldn't make a difference. Sata was enough i thought. But then comes the opportunity to switch to a 1tb nvme SSD. Cloning my existing sata 1tb patriot took about 5 seconds😅. It's mind blowing fast
Look up linus videos on this topics. People really cant tell the difference between fastest nvme and sata for gaming purposes. So you should probably get smaller nvme for boot and bigger sata ssd for game storage
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“Please educate me on different ssd’s I already know the basics”
Here’s the basics 😂
Tbf most of that really isn't the basics, it's all the things you need to know before getting an ssd
@@LylcaruisThe fact SSDs have no moving parts and that they have 2 different form factors are not the basics?
i said most not all@@FireStriker_
Unfortunately he completely ignored the importance of DRAM cache.
@@hadifelani
Just a normal mainstream TH-camr.
This is actually very useful. I didn't know the 2.5 inch uses a sata data, and since my mobo doesn't have a m.2 drive maybe I should get a 2.5 ssd for it
if it doesnt have a m.2 slot buy a expansion card that adds one, the only down side is you will not be able to use it as a boot drive
so get a 2.5 ssd as a boot drive
@@OdinAlgeron I got a good hdd for a quick boot but getting an expansion card for a m.2 ssd sounds good
@@crazydogownerI've gone for SSD as boot drive and old HDD as storage. Difference is significant. Go for SSD.
I'd suggest "Crucial"
@@crazydogowner only coupole of things you need to make sure:
look at your mobo's guide you want a pcie x4 slot for the expansion card
then make sure the expansion card supports the full speed of whatever gen of pcie your mobo supports, I.E. pcie gen 4 x 4
(most should have at least a gen 3 x4 or gen 4 x4 slot unless its really old )
@@OdinAlgeron 👍
Dude just told us THE BASICS. 😂
Yes as he didnt go further like telling us about different memory types or cache on ssds.. This would have been the actually interesting part..
@@gxbrielartvhr1022 should be a standard tho if you want to buy one.
I know right.
Like yeah it’s a great video explaining the basics but its only the basics
the question ask for the basics and clearly said "Not Advanced" and nigga out here still figuring why he only give basic information
Well they asked for the fucking basics, of course he'll only explain the basics..@@FireStriker_
Also very important, is the type of NAND flash. There is SLC, MLC, TLC, and QLC, with TLC and QLC being the most common. While QLC SSDs are cheap for the capacity, they’re generally not recommended for reliability because of their higher likely hood of error. For a boot drive, look for an MLC or TLC drive as these offer great price to performance to reliability without getting prohibitively expensive like an SLC drive.
Duuude just the basics.
I’m computer specialists and I don’t talk in this level on normal conversation.
MLC is literally anything that is not SLC, lol.
@@brunobmartim it _is_ basics. QLC is literally meant for cheap r*tards. It has no place in a quality system that is expected to last reasonably long and retain data with minimum corruptions when it finally starts failing.
The silicon power a60, a 1tb ssd for less than 50, has SLC, according to amazon. I think your info is outdated.
@@tumultoustortellini that one's a TLC. In any case, Samsung is the only real NAND manufacturer, period. With 10+ year warranty to boot. Buying anything else is shooting yourself in the foot, especially considering how Samsung EVO series prices are pretty much the same as TLCs from other vendors nowadays.
You can find a Gen 4 2TB TeamGroup MP44L M.2 NVME for around $60-70 these days, and they generally don't require an extra heatsink because they used a new material for the top sticker that acts as a heatsink.
As a 2TB drive that may be cheap but I wouldn't recommend something that lacks a DRAM cache on board. It has HMB but the performance is nowhere near as good as something like a 980 Pro 1TB which has a DRAM cache on it and can be had for just over $50USD
@@pancakewafflesfunny you say that because the model he is talking comes with dram cache
Edit: Im wrong, it comes with slower cache that every drive comes with*
@MnDogman I'm playing 2023 AAA games off it. It's absolutely fast enough and price to capacity is VERY good, imho.
@@MnDogmanMP44L DOES NOT come with Dram cache
@@MnDogman It actually doesn't, please tell me where you got the information. I used a google sheet with several hundred SSDs on it to verify that it lacks cache
Yes, basically, nvme is good for storing your os and maybe your most played/demanding games, but 2.5 inch sata ssds are good for upgrading storage if your motherboard doesn't have enough nvme slots and there also pretty fast especially compared to a hard drive
Dude what? Just get a 2 TB nvme. You can't tell me with a straight face 2 TB is not enough when I get by with 512 GB just fine.
@@WaterZer0bro 512 is not enough if you actually play games unless you only play fortnite.
@@WaterZer0its almost like everyone have different storage needs
@@WaterZer0i have 2tb and i constantly need to delete games to try other ones. many games take 100gb, with msfs2020 using like 400gb
@@ties9123 Where did I say that? I said to get 2TB. If you need more than 2TB, you are a hoarder.
I remember being introduced to SSDs over 10 years ago when I brought my old Windows VISTA laptop to a repair shop. Something happened with my drive, so they asked if I wanted to upgrade to an SSD. I was like what's that? And they just said it's a "regular hard drive" but makes everything faster. And I was like okay go for it man. 😂 Little did I know my life changed, because he brought new life to that laptop just by putting an SSD
Not completely in one ear and out the other, so thank you.
Another important thing to know, some SSD’s do not have cache, and those are best to avoid, since they are barely faster (sometimes even slower) than a traditional hard drive. The annoying thing is that it’s often not listed in the specifications whether the drive does or does not have onboard cache, so you’ll have to google the serial number. There are however lists online with both 2.5 sata drives as well as M.2 ssd’s which are known to have cache.
i feel like this was a really important point he missed out in the video
DRAM cache is not nearly as important for NVMEs as they are for SATA SSDs.
Also, need to be stated, do not buy old NVME without dram cache. New NVME is less an issue since it is quite fast and most is split into NVME with DRAM or NVME with HBM
@@zazelskycrest2525what’s better for gaming ? I’m still on am4 and don’t care about the budget. I don’t need more than 1tb, I just want something fast to get more consistency.
My external ssd does the job but I’m losing out on consistency.
From 500 read / write to 7000 read / write is a huge jump lol.
@@silfrido1768 unless you constantly installing new games and need it to be ready in a snap, just either one will work, since once it is fully loaded, the different in boot time will be in 1 to 3 second. Direct storage tech also not matured enough currently
SATA drives, 2.5 or mSATA, are completely fine for day to day use. Most games can't even take advantage PCIe 3.0 x4 drives, though that is changing.
Main advantage of PCIe drives are transfer speeds, which only benefits you if you transfer large files between drives regularly.
Still, ANY SSD would be better than spinning rust drives.
I have seen test it was only like 0.1 second faster in game loading
I think an nvme SSD may be benificial for booting windows
@@nightfisher6676check up yt comparison vids, nvmes make a 0.1 second boot difference. same for most games 😂
@@nightfisher6676 not really, Operating Systems like Windows rely more on small random read performance rather than large sequential reads.
I did a few tests when I upgraded from a Samsung 870 evo (SATA) to a Crucial P5 Plus (PCIe 4.0 nvme) and the load times were within 5 seconds of each other on average.
@@meatbunftw Which completely ruins "superior" speed, and considering that most SATA systems come with dram...
Bro, I think it was worth mentioning that people with older builds or who can't afford an nvme for whatever reason don't get disheartened. Purely gaming, in loading times you mostly don't even see a difference between a 2.5 inch ssd and an nvme.
Hi there dude I currently have a 1tb nvme ssd and I need more storage but I dont have another m. 2 slot if I upgrade to 2.5 am I going to see a big difference or no? I just need it for gaming my windows will always be on the m. 2
Like these days some games just go straight to gameplay from the start menu and if I dont have a m. 2 for these games is that going to affect my loading speed?
Nvme is cheaper than sata nowdays
Unless you plan on buying an 8tb drive.
If you have m.2 on your motherboard there is 0 reason to buy a sata. Only if you fill up the m.2 slots or if you need an 8tb drive.
@@xyan9037other option. Buy a bigger nvme and an enclosure for the old one. Good for external file transfers.
More like "people with older builds that can't use nvme without an expansion card", I'd say. Because nowadays nvme sticks are not that much more expensive than sata ssd. Both are very affordable than it was 2 years ago.
Should've added on to the Nvme SSD's, the importance of having an onboard Dram cache when it comes to gaming performance.
The SATA M.2s still serve a purpose in upgrading older laptops that don’t take NVMe drives, but otherwise, good advice.
Meh 2.5" SSDs are perfect for older laptops because it fits perfectly in the old HDD bay
@@junilogthe prices of them are usually clashing with each other. I think if anything, it would be sensible to add the SATA M.2 on top of the existing HDD/SSD for extra space.
@@toufusoup yeah but the most concerning fact is the absence of M.2 slot on older laptops or that longer forms of M.2 just won't fit.
the old hardrives are typically more reliable@@junilog
You completely ignore the important part of an SSD, the DRAM cache. 🗿
DRAM is not needed for gaming lol. tf you talking about. I have a Lexar NM790 2tb and it's faster than your overpriced samsung 980 pro.
@@spawnersiak it's important for the OS 🤦♂️
If it's just for your secondary drive then go ahead and use DRAM less SSDs, it will be fine. But if it's for your boot drive, then you should be using SSDs with a DRAM cache.
Sequential speed ain't the first thing that's the most important part when it comes to operating system.
Tell me you've never tried both drives as an OS drive to compare them without even telling me smh 🤦♂️🤦♂️
You guys also keep in mind that TBW (Tera Bytes Written) matters too, it shows the longivity of an ssd.
Meanwhile Crucial's Momentum Cache : 🍷🗿
Love this
Straight to the point
Good explanation
Just as every technician should do ✨❤️
-"I already know the basics"
-**Tels the basics**
What is the best cpu for rtx 4070 ti? Is a i7 13700k good?
Or propably what gpu is best for the i7
i7 13700k is very good for rtx 4070 ti and i7 can hold 4090 like it's beer so if you have budget get a 4090 or else 4070ti is good to go
@@blazyegamer thx
Fun fact : in CDs , datas are written by high intensity lasers, it physically changes the structure of a layer in CDs to make Ups and downs. these corresponds to 0/1 or binary hence the data
“More reliable” is a huge stretch here. Especially if you’re writing a lot of data
Hey man, I think you meant to say 14 thousand mb/s with that gen 5 ssd.
MB/s*
B and b symbols are referring to two different units.
You can use them together in a sentence, but you *can't* use them interchangeably. You'd still need to convert them numbers, just like inches vs centimeters.
@@hadifelani🤓🤓🤓
@@kaystephan2610 got allergic? 😏
@@hadifelani Yea I am.
TO NERDS. HAHAHAHAHA 🤓🤓🤓
@@kaystephan2610 lmao, poor you
How is no one here mentioning DRAM? a DRAMless ssd can be slower than HDD
can you elaborate? i'm planning to build a new pc from scratch. the cpu and mobo i'm canvassing rn is a ryzen 5600 and b550 am4 pro
@@kennethravanilla1422some ssd’s don’t have cache, often making them slower than hard drives. It isn’t listed in the spec sheets most of the time, so you’ll have to google the exact model to find out whether it has a cache or doesn’t. I’d personally just stick to a samsung m.2 as (from my knowledge) samsung doesn’t have any m.2 drives that don’t have cache.
@@crisedthey dont make them slower than hard disk drives dude. Their write speeds tank but still faster than hdd and their read speeds are almost the same.
Though I agree he should have mebtiined that as well as different size m.2 drives. Sometimes a full size m.2 wont fit in say a laptop or small form factor pc.
@@wolvreigns they can get slower than HDDs. cheap cacheless ssd's can be way slower than a 7200rpm hard drive
Is Samsung good and fast 980 pro or smt
Knew these things already but I like how they were explained clearly here. Good video for beginners 👍🏼
I love these videos. I just got into electronics and I upgraded my laptop with more ram and switched out the cpu in my dad’s workstation for him. It was surprisingly fun and I love learning new things like this
GPU for I5 12400f, 32GB DDR4, and 650w PSU? Used is fine and I'm just looking for best value
(also I do not favor any brands)
RX 6650 XT
6700 xt never misses
The ones mentioned before this comment are the ones to go. That or the 3060-3070 if you care about raytracing, but I prefer the AMD ones.
What's your budget? I would get 6700xt, 6750xt, or if you can stretch to 6800 non-xt, or buy used, you should be fine with 650w and 6800.
RX 6700XT or RTX 3070, although you can go a bit higher if you are planning to go for 1440p.
Fun fact is that a SATA based SSD to a Gen 5 SSD will make little to no difference in gaming
Not exactly. some games use data streaming to stream the game assets and will benefit from a faster ssd. Super ram heavy games will also run better on a faster drive as the pagefile will be faster.
False, fast SSDs offer "Direct Storage" which will be huge once more games adopt it
@@morcjul But as of now still my statement is still true
@@fade2black001 Depends on the games you play yes :) Some major titles like FC24, Forza, Diablo IV and Forspoken already support it. At this moment I wouldn't invest in a sata SSD for gaming
A bit of guidance on the NVMe types would also be good. Example: If the PCIe 4.0 drive is not at least a 5,000MB/s drive, going with a PCIe 3.0 drive that has a DRAM cache is a better idea.
Fun fact: The 2.5" referenced on SATA SSDs *does* *not* refer to the size of the drive itself, but to that of a comparably-sized HDD's internal platter.
14,000 mb/s...
Jesus christ, I about fell over when I heard that-
I'm sure the price is outrageous sadly-
Crucial T700 2Tb $400-450
Crucial T700 4Tb $700
Give or take a few bucks depending on country.
Man I could build a good budget PC for less than that 😭
14 gigs.
There’s also a 2.5 and 3.5 inch ssd that uses the u.2 connector, which is similiar to sata connector, but can support sata, sas, and pcie.
One advantage of this over m.2 is that it’s hot swappable. But it is usually locked to enterprise market
0:26 important for new pc builders
600 mb/s is still decent, my laptop I'm planning to install an SSD in as the hdd is on the brink of failing and as such I can't install an OS
As someone with terrible memory, the only thing I'm bound to remember from this is how fun it is just say "sata data." 😂
that is an actual generational improvement
what's way more importat than the maximum bandwith (as most of the benefits stems from the lower latency) is actually which type of NAND is used (Single Level Cell, SLC, though practically gone, would be best Quadruple Level Cell, QLC, is worst) and also get a SSD with DRAM buffer because otherwise it will suck if you copy a lot of data.
Should have said something about cache vs cacheless because that's also incredibly important.
An SSD having a DRAM Cache is also important for consistent performance
I had an MSI 170 something motherboard with a 2.5 seta SSD and recently upgraded a bunch of parts and went with an msi z690 and have a m.2 nvme now. It’s actually crazy how much faster doing anything on my pc is, startup time, opening apps, games, clicking around the desktop, everything is 4-5x faster. If you’re thinking about upgrading this is 100% the first thing to upgrade!
theory wise you could support roughly 10 mechanical harddrives on an old sata cable. if we talk about bandwidth alone
I was into SSDs early on, +20 years ago and i find it crazy that it is only in the last 8-10 years it has become the standard.
However, any name brand SSD nowadays, including a SATA one will pretty much start windows instantly, games and maps will also load in mere moments.
If you work with really big files it might make sense to get some super-performance stuff... Otherwise just get some basic shit.
Very useful vid. I would like to know more about Rams.
This was extremely helpful, thank you
The early bird black friday deals are on and I wanna upgrade my pc so im gonna go look up some acronyms and watch this video again.
The 3.5" sata ssd's are great options for storage on your PC. Personally i usually go with a 500gb nvme for a boot drive. Then i toss in a couple of 1tb 3.5's for storage.
Not just the motherboard, it also matters if your CPU supports the relevant PCIe generation. For example, the Ryzen 5600G seems like a good budget option but gen4 SSD's will only run at gen3 speeds
Sequential write and read speed should be the least important thing that a pc gamer is worrying about. As long as it’s a nvme ssd, the sequential r & w speed will be enough for most of us. However, you should put more attention onto the random r & w speed, 4K speed, and speed when caches are exhausted. Also, you should search for reviews for the specific ssd you’re planning to purchase because the ssd you’re looking at may have some problems causing you a headache (such as previous 980 pro, 0E issue, it may causing your ssd die earlier and your data is gone).
Nice job dude, you told me everything about SSDs
Your one on the best shorts TH-camr
Thanks this was the perfect video I have a b450m and was looking for a good ssd
Damn, finally found a valuable information, thx man 😊
Not only the motherboard needs to support the faster PCI, the CPU also needs. The Ryzen 5500 for example can only support PCI 3.0, even if you put on a motherboard with a PCI 4.0 port.
DRAM Cache & Nand Flash (TLC) are very important. Also Gen 3 is much cheaper which is already super enough for your daily needs.
Actualy pretty easy to look up what your port supports in device manager vor windows! Or just search the specifications of your motberboard online!
I'm gonna have to replace my ssd pretty soon but i think my priority is a graphics card
Arguably i would say Random Access Speed is a far better number for comparison than generational speed, just make sure your mobo supports the SSD
Also important to know the difference between qlc and tlc SSDs
That smooth transition tho...🏀
Thank you the universe. I still remember the pain with HDD.
no you dont
One more thing, some ssds dont have the speed chip or something which makes it slower then an hhd
Great information 🙏
I understand all of this, what I don’t really know is qlc vs tlc etc and the difference in controller
From my experience, Sata SSD is a huge step up from a 7200 RPM HDD,
Boot up times on my SATA is around 6 seconds
HDD: 5 minutes, Windows 10. 6 MINUTES 32 seconds Windows 11
NvME: PCIE, 3 seconds PCIE 3.0, Game loading times are insanely faster then SATA SSD
PCIE: 4.0 2.7 Seconds Windows 10 2.4 Seconds Windows 11, I mainly noticed the Transfer of files on PCIE 4.0 Faster and helps with me using USB Transfers to Kernal my phones
Above a SATA SSD you won't notice any difference in loading speed for games.
However, newer games are start to makes use of direct storage which in a sentence, is bypassing the CPU for faster loading. So its best to stick with nvme SSDs not sure if SATA SSDs are supported.
Tech Turf with the good education as always
also for gaming purposes, there really is no speed difference between gen 3, 4, or 5. (Using a gen 5 as my boot drive and some gen 4s for gaming)
DRAM cache, TLC vs QLC would have been good to cover.
Excellent video thank you
Btw their is an addendum for this. While 2.5 Sata SSDs might be slower, they are cheaper so if you're on a tight budget trying to get tons of GBs per ¢ and coming from an HDD a 2.5 SSD would be fine. Since it will be a speed improvement with a decent price compared to an HDD in terms of GB per ¢
I recently installed a 2230 gen 4 NVMe in my (1st Gen) Surface Laptop Go that came with eMMC and now that thing is blistering fast and at some times also blistering hot. Turns out I should have used a gen 3 instead, but I'm glad it works!
number 1 thing I would have mentioned is DRAM cache - if it doesn't have one, don't buy it.
PS: with increased speed, the M.2 will get hot so you need a heatsink
Just bought two Samsung M.2 SSDs today. im excited
bro, those are the basics
Yes sir thank for the difference between harddisk and ssd my homework done
Dont forget your internet needs to support these speeds too if your downloading
From experience, SATA SSDs are fast enough. As a boot drive and for general use, the full SATA bandwidth is rarely used. The only time you get to use the full speed of NVMe drives is for massive file transfers.
You should also add the cache(don’t know if it’s there right term). Since cheap NVME SSD have almost none and also the worse Type, they can get as slow as a HDD even in Windows idle. The crucial P3 is a good example: cheap as **** but I would not recommend it as a windows drive.
These are the basics
14 gb/s is a lot but it's still gonna take some hours to download any COD updates.
Actually flouting transistors move inside.
And ALWAYS look for SSDs with Cache memory, if you buy SSD without it, in some scenarios it will freeze or be slower than HDD...
"Never mind Express"
This video is life saver😆😆
I want to add that where you said that the double pins means SATA, that is only in some. You can get NVME ones that have double (2 pins). It's a massive misunderstanding and misconception that is around with the NVME and double pins. The reason I know because by Lenovo L480 takes a 2242 NVME SSD but it takes the double pin one.
Cache. You need it on the SSD. (Usually more is better)
Thought it was "Mega-Bits" not "Mega-Bytes" I could be wrong. Bit of a difference....see what I did there
8 bits = 1 byte. But ssd is megabyte
Yes ssd speeds are in bytes
Notation is different depending on the unit:
MB/s = Mega*bytes* per second.
Mbps = Megabits per second.
As stated by other replies, a megabit is 1/8 of a megabyte. So (e.g.) 480Mbps = 60MB/s.
Awesome thanks for letting me know. Been a minute since I've messed with pc's.
Write and read speeds are sometimes not a thing to consider. My 2.5 ssd with dram cache can unpack big 7z files much faster than my other nvme ssd that do not have a dram cache.
The most important thing to know is whether the SSD has proper DRAM cache or not. I'll take Gen 3 with DRAM over Gen 5 with only SLC cache.
The absolute best youre going to need is gen3 nvme and even then unless youre copying huge chunks of data at a time youll never know the difference from a sata one. On a gaming rig since satas and gen3s are pretty much the same price nowadays might as well get nvme but if your board doesnt support m.2 a 2.5 sata is plenty good enough.
Just in case there's also two types of SSD. One that work perfectly well with photoshop, video editing, etc. and the other for gaming.
For best speed and price here, it's the: Kingston KC 3000, 7GB/sec R&W speed. The WD SN570 Blue is the fastest of the budget range.
Best is the gen 4 most widely supported and a tb you can get around 120 to 150 bucks depending on speed n brand the gen 5 is a lot less common and super expansive
Solid State Drive 👍
The more reliable claim is pretty debatable
You forgot to mention that your CPU must also support the pci speed of your M. 2 to see full speed of the drive. For example AMD Ryzen 5 5600G supports PCI Express 3.0. You can install and use a PCI Express 4.0 M.2 but it will only go PCI Express 3.0 speed.
You do get NvME ssds with a b and m key configuration.
I have a 1GB P3. The hp x360 m.2 slot was for some intel optane tech. It was empty. Internet said i should look at the manual before deciding ssd capacity. HP Manual said 512gb. I went with 1tb P3. Happy with my decision.
A long time ago I bought a 240gb Kingston SATA SSD and replaced my raid 0. It made a complete difference. I've been using different kind of SATA ssds since but then comes the time to upgrade and I get an i7 8700k with a motherboard that had nvme. I haven't used that port for a year or so because I was lazy and thought it wouldn't make a difference. Sata was enough i thought. But then comes the opportunity to switch to a 1tb nvme SSD. Cloning my existing sata 1tb patriot took about 5 seconds😅. It's mind blowing fast
Look up linus videos on this topics. People really cant tell the difference between fastest nvme and sata for gaming purposes. So you should probably get smaller nvme for boot and bigger sata ssd for game storage
You missed info about QLC/TLC/MLC and DRAM.. that's important too
Ending correction.....not only motherboard but also your CPU has to support the generation of the NVMe SSD 😊