It seems more and more companies are going back to the tried and true taller head tube and shorter reach for endurance bike and going more away from extras on a bike, we all know customers want pro looking bikes that are just a little more taller then stock and allows them for a comfy geometry with holding a very fast look.
Ok here we go. Traditional stage race geometry (square dimensions or shorter with a low BB chord) lost its way when Trek started building carbon mass produced bikes with American crit geometry. Their geometry made its way to Europe when they started building their frames there. The Italian makers dug in then caved into making their bikes with shorter stays and long/low geometry. So endurance geometry is really old stage race geometry from say an EL OS or Nivacrom Pinarello from the 1990s. Liken this to what the craft beer industry calls a “session” ale. What that really is is beer that has what I call a “normal” amount of alcohol like a Bud from the 1990s. But they had to make a whole product like bc the hood and alcohol content are off the charts. Lager microbrews now taste like yesterdays ale. Same thing with race bikes. Gravel bikes actually more mimic old racing geometry the best now. Plain and simple.
FYI the X series has almost identical geometry to the Canyon Endurace (although the sizes don't line up exactly. For example, the Endurace 56cm, has virtually the same stack and reach as the Pinarello X in a 54.5cm). So, some of the tallest and shortest reach of any endurance bike on the market. Very cool!!
I would be really interested to see GC review some bikes in the sub $3-4k range for us mortals. Wondering what his take on the entry-mid level market is.
It looks really weird a van rysel ncr cf tiagra is 9kg with aksium wheels, the aluminum version is 9,5kg with van rysel wheels… the axs versions (apex and rival) are about 8,6kg, and costs more than half the price!!!
I am on a 2022 Pinarello Prince with an Ultegra group, Hunt carbon wheels and upgraded to the carbon integrated bars. I like the look of the new X model, however, from what I am riding, compared to this specific model, this would not be an upgrade. I would be interested in the higher-end X models to get the lighter carbon and the better components, however, you quickly get into the $10k+ price level.
I’m under the impression the new F series is more or less the replacement for the Prince. The X series is mostly a new model. I’m looking at getting an X3 once I can find one in Atlanta, but I briefly rode a Prince a few days ago at a shop and it felt quite good. I’m coming from a 2011 Trek 2.3, so just about anything would be an upgrade at this point lol.
@@bigredactionsportsstuff1245for sure. You could save a kg at least just with a better carbon wheelset, lighter tires, and lighter tubes. Not to mention saddle, bars, stem, etc. Not surprised it’s 20lbs, but hey for someone just getting into riding that’s still an extremely respectable bike
There are LOADS of 20lb carbon bikes. Most endurance bikes and gravel bikes at this spec are right around 20 lbs. A person buying an endurance bike shouldn't really care about weight anyway.
Wheels are heavy! Frame is beautiful. But at that price point (maybe a bit more) i could get a second hand F12. Not knocking the bike. I've heard alot of people love this bike, but i would rather have an F12. Also just checked, pinarello princes and prince fx on sale at same price with carbon wheels!
Is a good point. Just dont know when i would ever have a chance to ride the x. The 12 on the other hand is an absolute beast. Anyway, ive moved on. Am now ridn a felt ar advanced ultagra mechanical. Solid machine. I highly recomend
I love the idea what pinarello are doing with the short top tube and stack and reach. I have a short torso and long arms and legs with many problems with my knees and ankles from playing basketball before. I really looked into this bike but a few things put me off… one is that is not a performance bike at all, I have a TCR and I race sometimes so I would need competitive bike and they are not even doing a ultegra version to my knowledge. Secondly is the price is very high, I know it’s Italian but to make that bike into what I want I would spend almost the same for a custom bike, and a custom bike would fit even better so all in all unless you not competitive and don’t mind the weight of this bike then I can’t see many people buying this. A frame set would make sense if it isn’t stupid money though
According to bikeinsights, it has almost the same geometry (and weight 😲😱) as my first gen 2015 aluminum GT Grade that I still use as road bike primarily. I love that taller stack/shorter reach geometry, imho us regular people can get more comfortable, and more aero with horizontal forearms and flat back on a bike like this, than overreaching with locked arms on huge drop race geo bikes.
lol my triban rc 500 that is 10,6kg stick with sora would be like same weight or slightly lighter with good alloy wheels and tires, good saddle and carbon seatpost, and a better crankset…
Can this do off road - i dont mean mountain bike technical trails. But like small gravel or city trails with some forest dirt etc- kinda like trek domane series they say its all terrain even though its a road bike. I saw the commercial for this and guy was on small gravel.
Happy GC did this video , i scratch my head finding a reason why would anyone buy this bike ? 20lb for a legitimate brand full built is unacceptable , wondering how much the frame weights? my guess is 1350g
I hear you, my Cannondale Caad 12 frame in size 54 weight 1090 g and the HiM fork 298g. Total weight built with Campy Athena and Cadex wheels is under 7kg.
Boy oh boy, 5000+ Dollar bike that is equipped with alu rims and SRAM Rival... and weighs more than 9kg that is outrageous if I'm honest. It truly is a beautiful bike but at that price tag I would have expected more even more when considered that there are no pedals, no batteries, no bottle cages and no computer mount so ready to ride this is going to weigh close to 10kg!!
1.3 mm difference on the reach 🤔 I think you mean 1.3 cm or 13 mm... You want more head-tube than spacers folks. Remember to watch out for short head-tubes, they do exist on 'Endurance' bikes. An odd thing about the X series is that it doesn't seem to be marked which X you have! The X1/3 frames are different design to the X5/7. Apart from that...
Fact is just cuz you can’t afford something we don’t have to cry about it. Some ppl could afford a Cadillac some have to settle for Kia, they both take you from point A to B
@@ruditon5816 typical when fanboys have nothing of substance to say they resort to “you can’t afford it” I literally just paid $6500 for a full blown aero bike that weighs over 3lbs less than this, in a size 56. Pinarello literally hosing gullible customers with their name to sell this junk like so many designer accessories, this weighs more than a $1000 entry level TREK Domane 🤡 I really like Pinarellos honestly, this bike just sucks when it comes to value and spec. There is no reason for it to be this heavy at this pricepoint even with Rival, except to make their more expensive bikes seem like a better buy. I would have bought the F7 but they did the same thing by giving it some bobo wheels with a $9k price tag
Industry is stuffing the consumer with bikes that would've been on heavy side for steel in the 90s. If you live in a place that's dry, like Colorado, disc brakes are unnecessary the road. The 10 year old integra calipers on my Look 566 endurance bike will put me over the bars if I grab them hard enough. I want something new, more comfy tires 28-32mm pls, bigger gear range, 100% mechanical and make it around 16lbs. A 20lb bike is seriously fat assed for long climbs. Last year on Ride the Rockies (first organized tour for me in years) the number of riders with noisy discs and other issues wasn't insignificant. I passed loud bikes all day every day.
I’m not hating, but Pinarello is wack to me including the dogma. You have to be into their unique look. Honestly, all their bikes look the same. There’s really no creativity put into their updated bikes.
Pinarello screwed up, the stack is way to high on this bike. I have a Paris and this bike in my size is unrideable for me. To me the Paris had perfect geometry for regular people.
Aside from it being portly, it is not an aesthetically pleasing bike. The bike looks like an Andy Warhol art project. Love endurance geometry but would look elsewhere.
It seems more and more companies are going back to the tried and true taller head tube and shorter reach for endurance bike and going more away from extras on a bike, we all know customers want pro looking bikes that are just a little more taller then stock and allows them for a comfy geometry with holding a very fast look.
@GCPerformance18 that Free hub is Library 📚 Quiet 🤐
Ok here we go. Traditional stage race geometry (square dimensions or shorter with a low BB chord) lost its way when Trek started building carbon mass produced bikes with American crit geometry. Their geometry made its way to Europe when they started building their frames there. The Italian makers dug in then caved into making their bikes with shorter stays and long/low geometry. So endurance geometry is really old stage race geometry from say an EL OS or Nivacrom Pinarello from the 1990s. Liken this to what the craft beer industry calls a “session” ale. What that really is is beer that has what I call a “normal” amount of alcohol like a Bud from the 1990s. But they had to make a whole product like bc the hood and alcohol content are off the charts. Lager microbrews now taste like yesterdays ale. Same thing with race bikes. Gravel bikes actually more mimic old racing geometry the best now. Plain and simple.
FYI the X series has almost identical geometry to the Canyon Endurace (although the sizes don't line up exactly. For example, the Endurace 56cm, has virtually the same stack and reach as the Pinarello X in a 54.5cm). So, some of the tallest and shortest reach of any endurance bike on the market. Very cool!!
I would be really interested to see GC review some bikes in the sub $3-4k range for us mortals. Wondering what his take on the entry-mid level market is.
Van rysel NCR cf rival. Go buy that 😅
Looks nice and I like the geometry but it's heavy as shit. And alloy wheels. Crazy price. Living off their name.
Confused why it's so heavy? WTF
@@hobmarg 9,1 kg is relatively heavy for the price it is sold.
@@vivelafrance8400 I know, just confused why it weighs so much with that build? Frame?
@@hobmarg frame and aluminium wheeels
It looks really weird a van rysel ncr cf tiagra is 9kg with aksium wheels, the aluminum version is 9,5kg with van rysel wheels… the axs versions (apex and rival) are about 8,6kg, and costs more than half the price!!!
I am on a 2022 Pinarello Prince with an Ultegra group, Hunt carbon wheels and upgraded to the carbon integrated bars. I like the look of the new X model, however, from what I am riding, compared to this specific model, this would not be an upgrade. I would be interested in the higher-end X models to get the lighter carbon and the better components, however, you quickly get into the $10k+ price level.
I’m under the impression the new F series is more or less the replacement for the Prince. The X series is mostly a new model. I’m looking at getting an X3 once I can find one in Atlanta, but I briefly rode a Prince a few days ago at a shop and it felt quite good. I’m coming from a 2011 Trek 2.3, so just about anything would be an upgrade at this point lol.
You should try and get your hands on a British company called Handsling. Very nice aero bike with compliance.
How do you even make a carbon bike 20lbs? IS that even possible? lol
It’s those wheels, there is nothing race-inspired about them, trust me.
My 2000$ aluminium disc brake road bike is 9,1kg with aluminium tires, just crazy weight lol
I have a 2012 aluminium giant TCR rim brake bike it weighs 9kg. You can say what you want at 9.5kg you feel the weight for sure
@@bigredactionsportsstuff1245for sure. You could save a kg at least just with a better carbon wheelset, lighter tires, and lighter tubes. Not to mention saddle, bars, stem, etc.
Not surprised it’s 20lbs, but hey for someone just getting into riding that’s still an extremely respectable bike
There are LOADS of 20lb carbon bikes. Most endurance bikes and gravel bikes at this spec are right around 20 lbs. A person buying an endurance bike shouldn't really care about weight anyway.
Meanwhile, Giant Defy did perfect update
That’s subjective. IMO it’s still ugly, just nicer than the last one.
@@LifeCycle1978this Pinarello on the other hand will look great off the back of the group ride or outside of the cafe
@@UltimateTuner10 The Rapha wearing cafe snobs are only after badge credibility, for everyone else bikes like the Defy are perfectly fine.
The puny arm scale dance 😂. Love it 👍
bcs of shitty wheels and frame design made for look not performance. dogmas are quite heavy as for race bikes as well
Wheels are heavy! Frame is beautiful. But at that price point (maybe a bit more) i could get a second hand F12. Not knocking the bike. I've heard alot of people love this bike, but i would rather have an F12. Also just checked, pinarello princes and prince fx on sale at same price with carbon wheels!
Why would you ever compare this to an F12??? It's an inherently different bike for a different rider.
Is a good point. Just dont know when i would ever have a chance to ride the x. The 12 on the other hand is an absolute beast. Anyway, ive moved on. Am now ridn a felt ar advanced ultagra mechanical. Solid machine. I highly recomend
When is this bike going to be widely available? No shops anywhere have it, can't find it online anywhere?
I do not know but thye ar ehard to find especially the new released models
wheel reflectors ????
I love the idea what pinarello are doing with the short top tube and stack and reach. I have a short torso and long arms and legs with many problems with my knees and ankles from playing basketball before. I really looked into this bike but a few things put me off… one is that is not a performance bike at all, I have a TCR and I race sometimes so I would need competitive bike and they are not even doing a ultegra version to my knowledge. Secondly is the price is very high, I know it’s Italian but to make that bike into what I want I would spend almost the same for a custom bike, and a custom bike would fit even better so all in all unless you not competitive and don’t mind the weight of this bike then I can’t see many people buying this. A frame set would make sense if it isn’t stupid money though
The shaking kills me!😂😂😂😂
Can we have rim brakes back please?
According to bikeinsights, it has almost the same geometry (and weight 😲😱) as my first gen 2015 aluminum GT Grade that I still use as road bike primarily. I love that taller stack/shorter reach geometry, imho us regular people can get more comfortable, and more aero with horizontal forearms and flat back on a bike like this, than overreaching with locked arms on huge drop race geo bikes.
So that is heavier than my 1500 usd gravel bike
And? This bike will still be faster which is the whole point
20 pounds is crazy
@@LifeCycle1978faster? How so?
lol my triban rc 500 that is 10,6kg stick with sora would be like same weight or slightly lighter with good alloy wheels and tires, good saddle and carbon seatpost, and a better crankset…
do you have to show the lessas at the beginning
Can this do off road - i dont mean mountain bike technical trails. But like small gravel or city trails with some forest dirt etc- kinda like trek domane series they say its all terrain even though its a road bike. I saw the commercial for this and guy was on small gravel.
It says for road but it is more then capable of fitting a jice wide tire and riding some hard packed gravel
Happy GC did this video , i scratch my head finding a reason why would anyone buy this bike ? 20lb for a legitimate brand full built is unacceptable , wondering how much the frame weights? my guess is 1350g
Probably more. I just bought a bike with a frame claimed around 1200g and the whole bike is just under 8kg even in a size 56 with 50mm wheels.
I hear you, my Cannondale Caad 12 frame in size 54 weight 1090 g and the HiM fork 298g. Total weight built with Campy Athena and Cadex wheels is under 7kg.
I understand disc frames are heavier but 20lb is silly
im waiting for the nicer ones as well
Hey man! I have this bike and can't seem to shift the torx screw that holds the seatpost in place. Any tips?
No pedals or batteries and still over 20 lbs! Crazy. 160mm rotors are way overkill. Get a Giant Defy for less $$$ and lbs.
Very different geometry.
2024 Giant Defy, please :)
yea I love that bike I am working to get one
Those are stock tires right?
Yes they are
Boy oh boy, 5000+ Dollar bike that is equipped with alu rims and SRAM Rival... and weighs more than 9kg that is outrageous if I'm honest. It truly is a beautiful bike but at that price tag I would have expected more even more when considered that there are no pedals, no batteries, no bottle cages and no computer mount so ready to ride this is going to weigh close to 10kg!!
Great review! Thank you!
youy are very welcome
1.3mm shorter in reach? really it makes a difference?
Not at all marketing bias
@@marcinstyle85 i think it would be cm not mm
In a size 56, the reach is 11mm shorter and the stack is 32mm higher than the Dogma F. That makes a HUGE difference.
Size 49 @ 9.1kg?! wtf???
20 lb?
yea endurance bike
Pinarello, they are made by Giant or Merida?
Not to mention this bike heavier and more expensive than the Paris. My Paris with rival weighs 16.40 pounds
1.3 mm difference on the reach 🤔 I think you mean 1.3 cm or 13 mm...
You want more head-tube than spacers folks. Remember to watch out for short head-tubes, they do exist on 'Endurance' bikes.
An odd thing about the X series is that it doesn't seem to be marked which X you have! The X1/3 frames are different design to the X5/7. Apart from that...
The only way this qualifies as "endurance" is that youll need a lot of endurance to haul all that mass around.
lmfaoi
Trek Domane of similar spec weighs the same. One of the most popular endurance models out there....
That is stupid heavy for the size and price
Don’t buy it 😝😝
@@ruditon5816Classic retort that doesn’t change facts
Fact is just cuz you can’t afford something we don’t have to cry about it. Some ppl could afford a Cadillac some have to settle for Kia, they both take you from point A to B
@@ruditon5816 typical when fanboys have nothing of substance to say they resort to “you can’t afford it” I literally just paid $6500 for a full blown aero bike that weighs over 3lbs less than this, in a size 56. Pinarello literally hosing gullible customers with their name to sell this junk like so many designer accessories, this weighs more than a $1000 entry level TREK Domane 🤡
I really like Pinarellos honestly, this bike just sucks when it comes to value and spec. There is no reason for it to be this heavy at this pricepoint even with Rival, except to make their more expensive bikes seem like a better buy. I would have bought the F7 but they did the same thing by giving it some bobo wheels with a $9k price tag
@@ruditon5816you sayin this x3 is a kia?
I like it. I would buy that.
I want that freehub sound!
Definitely getting your money’s worth with the weight. Loves Pinarellos👍👍👍
You'd probably drop a chunk of weight off if you remove the dork disc and those reflectors in the spokes 😉
That’s the issue with going to other stores they have them installed
It's a pig
they took the dogma 3d model, stretched it a little bit up and called it a day
Italian threaded italian bikes should all come with campy
would make working on them at certain shops pain in the ass
20 lbs $5000. Booooo !!
Arm scales need the same technology as digital cameras --> shake-proof!
Sorry, but which nails head is getting hit here? Looks like a lot of misses…and I’ve lusted after a Pinarello for years.
With your forearm parallel to the ground, that would be bicep! curls for the girls would fix this shaking..
Industry is stuffing the consumer with bikes that would've been on heavy side for steel in the 90s. If you live in a place that's dry, like Colorado, disc brakes are unnecessary the road. The 10 year old integra calipers on my Look 566 endurance bike will put me over the bars if I grab them hard enough. I want something new, more comfy tires 28-32mm pls, bigger gear range, 100% mechanical and make it around 16lbs. A 20lb bike is seriously fat assed for long climbs. Last year on Ride the Rockies (first organized tour for me in years) the number of riders with noisy discs and other issues wasn't insignificant. I passed loud bikes all day every day.
come on grant, show us all of the cars stuck waiting for that stupid bridge.
They hit the nail on the head bc that thing as heavy as a hammer
hahahhahha fuckeddd
Nahhhhhhhhh.
My rim brake allez with 105 smokes this thing chief.
I ain’t trying impress nobody with dis bike playa
Cool story bro. You and durianider should go play together
@@LifeCycle1978 hahahaha. Keep buying flashy shit for the boyzzzzzz buddeh
Jokes on you, my $400 alloy bike with tiagra will smoke your expensive bike
Just buy a decathlon rim brake if you want 9 kg
hahahaha
This comp is making more model for us the peasants lately after they sold it to LV, I hope they continue that way after LV sales it
9kg é muito peso
Hate, hate, hate paying good money for throw-away stock wheels. Reflects badly on a fantastic bike and company….please relay this feedback
why do you hate it, its such a nice bike for what it is designed for
Lol, bike manufacturers are trolling us now.
everything in this world is a troll
Nooooo!
I bought a 2500 usd van rysel NCR cf rival with fulcrum wheels of 1660g. Total weight 8.4 kg These are 1960g wtf😅😅
I’m not hating, but Pinarello is wack to me including the dogma. You have to be into their unique look. Honestly, all their bikes look the same. There’s really no creativity put into their updated bikes.
Pinarello screwed up, the stack is way to high on this bike. I have a Paris and this bike in my size is unrideable for me. To me the Paris had perfect geometry for regular people.
Ha ha how Heavy for the price! A Felt Vr mechanical ultegra with Reynolds wheels comes In at 8kg and only £3250
Brick
You lost me at 20.4 lbs
Bikes are starting to behave like iPhones. A tiny alteration for jumbo dollars.
and just like iPhones, they will keep going that way if people keep buying them.
Aside from it being portly, it is not an aesthetically pleasing bike.
The bike looks like an Andy Warhol art project.
Love endurance geometry but would look elsewhere.
No way its a Endurance bike...just do Audax 400 or 600 or PBP you will know it😂
Shaky Pinarello.😅
20lb bike, with no pedals, or bottle cages! LOL
yes super endurance bike
LOLOLOLOLOL@@GCPerformance18
super heavy bike @@GCPerformance18
What’s wrong with your videos? Everytime I watch it, the brightness on the video will turn up by itself and affecting my display. I’m unsubscribing
It’s hdr you know you can turn down your brightness
blah blah blah
lmao