Awesome video… I do hot asphalt patching and fully loaded the trailer weighs about 15,000 pounds. An electric truck would be perfect because my average daily route is less than 50 miles so pulling that trailer with a battery powered truck would be perfect
It makes me very happy to hear that hard working people like yourself,are coming to the realization that Electric is the Future and you are looking forward to maybe getting an Ev for your future projects.
The sound contrast from inside the cab is stark! Really quite a shock. Once these electric trucks start making there way into the local fleets, and begin to prove really how good they are, my personal opinion is we are going to see a rapid adoption rate over a 5 to 7 year period. (A large number of fleets operate on a 3 to 7 year fleet truck inventory turnover.) Just yesterday, I was driving around my neighborhood area around mid day, and was seeing all the day cab semi trucks unloading at many of the smaller stores and service centers. You know those places, the mom and pop and other stores that are too small to have loading docks, so the trucks park in the parking lots or out on the street. These are the trucks which for the most part are almost invisible to regular drivers except when they are parked in places on your route to where ever your driving to at the moment. Those are the trucks I see as being fairly rapid adopters of the electric semis because they spend a lot of their day parked while at customer sites and they will be quite quiet in noise sensitive areas.
Its either the mic or the stupid seatbelt ratraction stopper plastic piece. I freaking hate that thing, about to cut mine off in my truck. Wish you could just take them off.
I don't see this killing the Tesla Semi, but I'm sure any electric 18 wheeler is going to replace, sooner or later, all the diesel truck working short distances and/or city jobs. We are still years or even decades before we can replace all fossil trucks with an electric equivalent, but we have all it takes now to change at least part of the jobs. That should at least be a short term goal. There's another company in Australia (saw the video on the FullyChargedShow channel) that is refitting old trucks with EV motors and battery. Very nice to watch that.
So I think you may be missing the point here, as these trucks are not competing with Tesla, they’re competing with other OEMs who are still stuck in the 20th century. So in 2035 most of these trucks will not be able to drive in most states in America, so they’re racing to beat the clock, as a lot of the states and countries around the world are saying we don’t want these trucks on our road anymore, and if you’re driving one, don’t come here. So they know the reality of what’s coming, so Tesla doesn’t care, because they never made ICE trucks to begin with, and so they’re already positioned to be in compliance in 2035 all across the globe without spending a single dime to convert old technology, and old designs to comply with the new requirements of the 21st-century. So let’s not forget that Tesla is the only company on the planet. that’s talking about saving the planet by accelerating the worlds transition to sustainable energy/transport. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
@@theodorehaskins3756 Because Tesla still doesn't actually have a to-market product yet, they're still working on them before they actually go into production. The Pepsi trucks are more of a partnership/PR move than anything.
@@anydaynow01 delivering soda....I imagine this person is doing short trips from a DC to customers. Won't need the range. As an aside, is there a national availability of CNG filling stations for semi trucks?
@@deansmits006 Yes, there are over 700 CNG stations accessible to semis across the country. And more than 60% of CNG used in transportation in the US is RNG (net carbon negative) making natural gas options better for the environment than BEV. Grid electricity produces more carbon emissions than RNG.
Interesting, but I think the one system reviewed recently by Robert Llewelyn of the “Fully Charged Show” is an Australian variant by Janus Industries, they convert old trucks with exchangeable batteries, a recharge in a bout a minute!
This axle and suspension setup would complement Janus Electric trucks swapable battery pack would be a fantastic setup, but I wonder how many tonnes it could be rated too? In the Electric Charged interview the guys at Janus Electric stated that their setup can be rated to over 100 metric tonnes, and they were in discussions with some of the mining companies looking for units rated to 260 tonnes (speed limited in off main road or on site applications). Would make an interesting unit combining the Allison ediff with their batteries and management software. Would definitely extend the like of existing trucks around the world👌👍
Hyliion will have a similar long haul natural gas hybrid solution, and with rng becoming more of a thing it will actually potentially be carbon negative. They will also have a fuel cell and short range BEV like this available.
@@anydaynow01 I doubt there's enough waste methane available from landfills and waste processing facilities to fuel all our trucks, but perhaps I'm wrong. But my other biggest doubt is the leakiness of the established CNG infrastructure. Methane is 85x more heat trapping than CO2. And the most damning part of "RNG" is it's being promoted by oil titans. I don't trust the companies to promote anything that actually reduce emissions. All they've done is fight emissions legislation
You should check out Janus Electric truck conversions in New South Wales Australia, they convert existing prime movers with a removable battery packs to allow a more efficient and flexible management of battery charging ability, something that is vital for any industry that depends on prime movers.
I drive a bus and can’t wait for these to enter service! So many manufacturers would be able to retrofit current designs and bring EV to market faster!
For these conversations... probably power electronics. And of course the HVAC. Probably the electric air compressor. I imagine they could reshape the hood to be lower and now aerodynamic without the large cooling pack and tall engine
I wonder if they would put those directly onto a trailer as well as on the truck pulling it for trucks that have to drive in adverse conditions like in mountains and on slippery roads where traction can be a problem obviously that wouldn't be ideal for just Highway application
Nice video, only grip was each time there seemed to be an exterior shot of the truck going by there was talking so I wasn't able to get the full "sound/or not" of the electric drive.
An over priced golf cart, I used to drive for u.s. Xpress, most of the company trucks were automatic. I was reading in some of these EVS semi trucks the range is 250 miles🤣 I hope the electric aircraft is a whole lot better. The regular conventional combustible diesel engine is about twice that on a single fill up. With this new technology thought the rule is to meet or exceed the current in use. Then I got to sit for about 2 hours for the whole thing to charge, that's two hours I could be further down the Road closer to my destination. I then went in the US Army driving trucks motor transport operator and I don't think EV'$ are a good idea in the US Military.
The guy with Andre lied a bit. They are not in the GM/Chevy trucks anymore. It's an Allison "branded" transmission, but GM builds them in house. They just pay Allison to use the name...
That's kind of common, I think. Take an alternator: a supplier like Delco will make them, and either stamp the case with "GM" or "Delco", but it's made by the same company.
GM pickups have GM transmissions, but the transmission bolted to a Duramax 6.6 in a Chevrolet Silverado 4500HD, 5500HD, or 6500HD is a real Allison 1000 or 2000 Series.
I had a feeling that's what was going on. The funny thing is though when it was over your mike it really wasn't affecting the audio and a negative way. But you didn't realize that at the time and kept moving it
Tesla has a very well thought out Semi coming out soon. It has fabulous energy efficiency and exceptional good looks. The drivers love them and they will have no problem selling them as fast as they can make them.
Conversion possibilities with existing fleets and truck manufacturers sounds very interesting. Would love to see some follow up with the companies that are looking to do that and see how far along they are.
@@Pernection ... These are work vehicles. They need that weight allowance to carry goods that they can sell ... But in this case they are having to carry an electric motor and batteries. Plus I easy would it be to maintain and service?
@Pernection Fuel savings will be wiped out by monthly loss of tonnage. The payload is all that matters in commercial trucking and anything that impedes on that is a waste of time.
I could see this as a possibility for fleets like Franz, UPS, WinCo/Safeway/Kroger. They run a lot of miles, regionally. And keep them a long time. So when they need a major engine overhaul, try this set up and see how it works. Then start installing chargers at their yard
You guys should head out to Hyliion and do a video with Thomas Healy about their offerings. They are at the forefront of the e-axle conversions for existing big rig tractors. They will have offerings from BEV all the way to RNG hybrids.
My dream is to one day repower my vintage motorhome with an electric powertrain. Way more torque than a diesel, fewer moving parts, more reliable, and less maintenance. The downside is that battery technology just isn't there yet, and a 40ft bus isn't going to fit in currently available fast charging spots w/o blocking traffic. I need to go 500+ miles at a constant 65mph in a vehicle with the aerodynamic efficiency of the broadside of a barn. Current tech is limited to short hauls and around town driving, but here's to hoping for vast improvements within the next 10 years or so.
@@4literv6 Yes, but gas and diesel are much more energy dense than batteries and can be replenished in just a few minutes. Maybe recharging off AC at the campsite would be an option, but the issue is still getting there in the first place.
@@nathanielmoore87 so you don't think existing pull through dcfc would work. Or that the tesla megachargers would work that recharge the 500 mile semi trucks to 70% in 30mins? People like you always love to harp on gas and diesels energy density for some reason. I just laugh at how inefficient engine's are that suck squish squirt bang and blow but still require batteries and electric motors to work. 😀 Gas is 33.7kwhs per gallon road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon. The tesla semi is around 900kwhs of useable energy to go 500 real world miles doing 55mph at 82,000#. So doing the math about 30 gallons of gas or 23 gallons of diesel in total energy to go 500 miles loaded. Most diesel semis get 6.5mpg loaded up at hwy speeds so 6.5mpg x 23 gallons=149 miles a dirty diesel could go for the same energy the tesla semi can do 500+on. Energy that can come from nuclear/hydro/wind/solar/biomass etc. 😀
@@4literv6 I'm not against electric. I love the concept, but facts are facts. A 75kwh battery like the one found in the Tesla Model 3 weighs 1054lb (478kg). According to the EPA, that's approximately equal to 2.23 gallons of gas. That 2.23 gallons weighs about 13.9 lbs. As far as fast charging, yes, it can be done in a reasonable amount of time as shown by the Hummer EV, but it's still slower than filling a fuel tank. The bigger issue I have is standard level 2 and level 3 charging spaces aren't big enough for long vehicles like my motorhome. TFL themselves have shown this while attempting to charge while towing a trailer. They could disconnect the trailer (an inconvenience for sure) but in my case, I would be blocking traffic and everyone would hate me. As tech improves, I can see more truck stops addressing this issue, but we aren't there yet. As I stated in my OP, I hope to someday convert my vintage rig to electric, but it makes more sense to stick with fossil fuels for time being. The best I could hope for at present is a PHEV setup, but it just adds so much more complexity that staying straight ICE.
@@nathanielmoore87 and yet a tesla model 3 which weighs the same as it's most commonly traded in conquest the BMW 3 series. Can somehow go over 300 miles on that puny amount of energy. Vs a BMW might go 70ish miles max on 2.23 gallons? My old 3 series wouldn't even do 55miles at hwy speeds on 2+gallons of gas. 😎
Wow. With Allison doing this it's kind of officially here. No more if or when. I've always thought this to be a good idea but I'm a layman and I don't know much about it. I've loaded trucks in the past and generally 25,000 pounds was a good tare weight for truck and trailer. Remove the engine and transmission and that would lower it quite a bit. I wish I knew what a 100 kWh battery weighs. This one has 400 kWh with 250 range. It seems like a 1200 kWh battery would cover any drivers legal range for a day. A 300kwh charger would have the driver ready to go in 4 hours, which he would legally have to wait longer. Super interesting
the 200 kwh battery in the Hummer weighs just under 3,000 lbs, so a 1,200 kWh battery would probably be 18,000 lbs. Engineering Explained did a good video on EV semi truck batteries a while back.
@@jakelee5456 WOW. A lot more than I expected. Typically a semi truck and trailer can haul roughly 25 tons/50,000 pounds. A day cab with a light trailer maybe 27.5 tons. That would take roughly 9 tons away. I don't know if that would be feasible. Maybe. Thanks a lot for that info.
EV packs are heavy, yes. But getting lighter/kWh all the time. However, people often just quote the engine weight when looking at the difference. What about the transmission weight? Driveshaft? After treatment equipment? Exhaust pipes? Hydraulic steering components vs EPS system? Starter and alternator? You see my point. Covered units will not be as light as a BEV trucks designed from the ground up, but it's a start
The packs look to be centered further aft, so that weight is closer to the axles, and their weight is greater than an engine. However, I think power electronics are under the hood, so that is some weight. I imagine the feel is different, but control is just fine
With a single axle, it must barely be a Class 8, with 12,000 lb front and 20,000 lb rear GAWR. Andre's guess seems reasonable to me - a single rear axle heavy truck would more likely be Class 7.
These are short haul trucks. retrofitting the existing platform is a great way to go. Tried and true and fits the segments needs. The Tesla truck is a long haul. Nobody is gonna be using the Tesla freight truck for short haul. These rigs are curtailed to a different environment than long haul.
It's a conversion but most trucks are short haul anyway. Move it across the country via train and then do the final route for delivery. Much more important to get the short haul and local delivery trucks electric transitioned first.
The Tesla Semi is a day cab for now so not what most truckers would call a long haul truck. It should be able to do longer distance day runs though, which their EV semi competition can't do.
@@davidmccarthy6061 thank you! People always say EVs are not suitable for long haul trucks...true for now. But the daily routes going from DC to stores is well suited for them. The lower cost of ownership and less down time is critical
Suggestion for a Future Feature: interview Allison about the GM HD 10-Speed Transmission that TFL is so keen to label the "Allison-branded" GM transmission. It'll be great to have you all stop labeling it that way, especially considering the Allison employee clearly stated that "They're in everything, from the GM pick-ups with the Duramax, all the way up to the M-1 Abrams tank." Just a thought and I would be greatly interested in what Allison has to say regarding it.
the anti-ev people in the comments are looking sadder and sadder with each passing day and each new video. i'm a lifelong silverado driver and was a die hard gas engine guy. until i got an EV. i will never buy another gas vehicle. think of it like your electric power tools. they simply do the job better with less fuss. why wouldn't you use them?
I have to preface this comment by saying I may never own a Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fanboy. But it's funny to me how from charging to semi-truck design, companies will feel pressured to do something like make an electric semi truck, but miss something like making it functionally aerodynamic. Or make charging stations that still have screens exposed to the elements that constantly break. Like, these companies aren't even intelligent enough to just outright copy ideas in their entirety.
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Australia has been doing the retrofit already for just over a year on big rigs that are road legal and using reclaimed EV batteries that they interchange instead of pulling up to a charger, instead they swap out the battery packs that take place of the original fuel tanks by forklift which only takes a total of 5 minutes to do both and the cement company finds they are getting an average of 213 miles in a full day , and the batteries never go under full degradation 👍
So I must admit that I didn’t watch this video in it’s entirety so I may have missed some things about this truck. 1) What’s the range of this truck when fully loaded? 2) What’s the duration time to fully recharge the batteries? 3) What’s the plan for their charging infrastructure? 4) He said that they don’t do batteries, so where are they planning to source their batteries? 5) How are they planning for possible future supply chain disruptions in terms of batteries and chip shortages? And I guess I should mention that seatbelt issue needs to be addressed. The other thing is if you’re gonna shoot a video like this, you do not have to be on camera 80% of the time while driving a truck of this size and you’re filming a video talking to each other and your eyes are not on the road, not a very good look, particularly for those who are interested in safety, which brings me to the next topic of is there any plan to have this vehicle becoming self driving? So you could shoot this video almost entirely, and never appear on video, just shoot the truck, you’re not a celebrity don’t even go there, as no one cares about celebrities, they only care about the product. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
@@theodorehaskins3756 True. If getting attention being dumb was the goal, then mission accomplished 👍 I'm just giving you a hard time. Poor ole Andre out here doing good work, gotta give him props
And everyone seems to be passing them up. First with the pickups, Rivian, Ford, and even Hummer/GM beat the Cybertruck and now semi truck companies beating Tesla to EV semi production
What absolute drivel. What's the battery size? What's the price? What's the range on a charge at max load? What's the max charge speed? Where's the charging network? Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail.
The diesel would be fine to breathe in for your lungs? No thanks I’ll breathe what comes out of the « junk » and you keep breathing the diesel and increasing asthma in kids and lung cancer in adults.
Tesla Semi is already in production and used on daily routes. It has been demonstrated to do 500 mile range and PepsiCo uses it daily for 420 mile routes. Hydrogen is a pipe dream since both fuel cells and hydrogen itself are too expensive (and will continue to be more expensive since maki t hydrogen is very inefficient). The only people who want hydrogen are the big oil companies in hopes they can continue to control the energy market. They will fail. In the next 3-5 years new mega chargers will open all around major highways and would allow EV semis to do long haul trips as well. EV Semi is already cheaper to operate than diesel and the one and only thing truck operators care about is total cost per mile - and EV Semi are already cheaper and will get significantly cheaper in the next 5 years.
@@ranig2848 for short local runs electric trucks are fine however long haul it simply isn’t feasible yet. These trucks have been proven to not make it 500 miles in real world driving. Also otr drivers know time is money. Look into new hydrogen trucks. They are around already. They can be quickly fueled, fair mileage, use that fuel to power electric motors/batteries. Plugging in for half a day isn’t always an option for many truckers. Remember a otr driver doesn’t always have the luxury of taking the break at a nice truck stop. It can be on the side of the interstate or random parking lots
@@everydayfleettech2286 first, Tesla had demonstrated to do a 500 mile run, with a video, over mountain passes, fully loaded. While I assume most prefer to recharge at 420-450, it is not only possible - it was shown to be able to do it and PepsiCo confirmed it’s correct. As for long routes, I agree that it is not yet feasible because there are not enough megachargers. That’s going to change quite quickly as those are only required near interstate highways for long hauling. Tesla and others are already deploying them so within 3-5 years the network will be good enough to cover 90% of the routes if not more. As for hydrogen, it’s a nonstarter. The cost of hydrogen is too expensive - at least 5x more than electricity and in an industry that does what it can to save every cent - it’s just never going to happen. There are going to be demos and the physics is there but the economics are just horrible so these are going to stay as demos and never scale. It’s not just me saying it - the company who pushed for hydrogen fuel cell trucks, Nikola, is shifting its efforts to EVs. Some companies are still pushing for this just because the governments and oil companies are fully subsidizing it - but because the economics is not there and never will be (cost of producing hydrogen is too high), it will never happen. Also, deploying hydrogen stations across interstates and keep filling them, is going to be way more expensive than mega charger stations. It’s only a matter of time until the big truck gas station companies (pilot and similar) will start deploying megachargers.
Well, they prob don’t want press people toting a trailer around the city streets or fairgrounds for a demo drive is most likely a huge reason. I think this might be part of the work truck show at the fairgrounds in downtown Indianapolis. I think EV big trucks make the most sense for short haul or city routes, myself. Places where combustion engines are spending a high % of idle time or stop & go.
Volvo and kenworth are selling electric day cabs so it does work. Mercedes in Europe have brought out a sleeper electric truck. It works, it's just inbred rednecks who foolishly think it doesn't work.
Awesome video… I do hot asphalt patching and fully loaded the trailer weighs about 15,000 pounds. An electric truck would be perfect because my average daily route is less than 50 miles so pulling that trailer with a battery powered truck would be perfect
It makes me very happy to hear that hard working people like yourself,are coming to the realization that Electric is the Future and you are looking forward to maybe getting an Ev for your future projects.
The sound contrast from inside the cab is stark! Really quite a shock. Once these electric trucks start making there way into the local fleets, and begin to prove really how good they are, my personal opinion is we are going to see a rapid adoption rate over a 5 to 7 year period. (A large number of fleets operate on a 3 to 7 year fleet truck inventory turnover.) Just yesterday, I was driving around my neighborhood area around mid day, and was seeing all the day cab semi trucks unloading at many of the smaller stores and service centers. You know those places, the mom and pop and other stores that are too small to have loading docks, so the trucks park in the parking lots or out on the street. These are the trucks which for the most part are almost invisible to regular drivers except when they are parked in places on your route to where ever your driving to at the moment. Those are the trucks I see as being fairly rapid adopters of the electric semis because they spend a lot of their day parked while at customer sites and they will be quite quiet in noise sensitive areas.
Andre really doesn't like that seat belt, haha.
It covers up his mike.
@Crab I was just thinking "Andre, we can still hear you if the seatbelt is over your mike... just stop adjusting it for crying out loud lol"
His OCD is showing 😂
Its either the mic or the stupid seatbelt ratraction stopper plastic piece. I freaking hate that thing, about to cut mine off in my truck. Wish you could just take them off.
The seat belt game was so funny. Andre is a multi-tasker!
I love how quiet this truck is. I’ve been in large trucks and this is so different. I love it.
I don't see this killing the Tesla Semi, but I'm sure any electric 18 wheeler is going to replace, sooner or later, all the diesel truck working short distances and/or city jobs. We are still years or even decades before we can replace all fossil trucks with an electric equivalent, but we have all it takes now to change at least part of the jobs. That should at least be a short term goal. There's another company in Australia (saw the video on the FullyChargedShow channel) that is refitting old trucks with EV motors and battery. Very nice to watch that.
Retrofitting is the fastest way to get ev on the road. Especially school b uses
So I think you may be missing the point here, as these trucks are not competing with Tesla, they’re competing with other OEMs who are still stuck in the 20th century.
So in 2035 most of these trucks will not be able to drive in most states in America, so they’re racing to beat the clock, as a lot of the states and countries around the world are saying we don’t want these trucks on our road anymore, and if you’re driving one, don’t come here.
So they know the reality of what’s coming, so Tesla doesn’t care, because they never made ICE trucks to begin with, and so they’re already positioned to be in compliance in 2035 all across the globe without spending a single dime to convert old technology, and old designs to comply with the new requirements of the 21st-century.
So let’s not forget that Tesla is the only company on the planet. that’s talking about saving the planet by accelerating the worlds transition to sustainable energy/transport. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
Tesla has to actually produce and sell the Semi first. The frito lay trucks are obviously just hand built test/PR units
@@GadgetMan777 So why is that a problem?
@@theodorehaskins3756 Because Tesla still doesn't actually have a to-market product yet, they're still working on them before they actually go into production. The Pepsi trucks are more of a partnership/PR move than anything.
I'll be testing a new EV semi next week for our company. Gonna see how it handles delivering pop for a few days!
You should check out the Hyliion offerings, much longer range and convenience of using NG.
@@anydaynow01 absolutely not, electricity is cheaper. I've seen CNG cars explode like car bombs.
@@anydaynow01 delivering soda....I imagine this person is doing short trips from a DC to customers. Won't need the range. As an aside, is there a national availability of CNG filling stations for semi trucks?
You don't happen to work for Pepsi, do you?
@@deansmits006 Yes, there are over 700 CNG stations accessible to semis across the country. And more than 60% of CNG used in transportation in the US is RNG (net carbon negative) making natural gas options better for the environment than BEV. Grid electricity produces more carbon emissions than RNG.
Great video! Cool setup! But apparently the seatbelts in an International aren’t comfortable!
Interesting, but I think the one system reviewed recently by Robert Llewelyn of the “Fully Charged Show” is an Australian variant by Janus Industries, they convert old trucks with exchangeable batteries, a recharge in a bout a minute!
This axle and suspension setup would complement Janus Electric trucks swapable battery pack would be a fantastic setup, but I wonder how many tonnes it could be rated too? In the Electric Charged interview the guys at Janus Electric stated that their setup can be rated to over 100 metric tonnes, and they were in discussions with some of the mining companies looking for units rated to 260 tonnes (speed limited in off main road or on site applications). Would make an interesting unit combining the Allison ediff with their batteries and management software. Would definitely extend the like of existing trucks around the world👌👍
Hyliion will have a similar long haul natural gas hybrid solution, and with rng becoming more of a thing it will actually potentially be carbon negative. They will also have a fuel cell and short range BEV like this available.
@@anydaynow01 I doubt there's enough waste methane available from landfills and waste processing facilities to fuel all our trucks, but perhaps I'm wrong. But my other biggest doubt is the leakiness of the established CNG infrastructure. Methane is 85x more heat trapping than CO2. And the most damning part of "RNG" is it's being promoted by oil titans. I don't trust the companies to promote anything that actually reduce emissions. All they've done is fight emissions legislation
You should check out Janus Electric truck conversions in New South Wales Australia, they convert existing prime movers with a removable battery packs to allow a more efficient and flexible management of battery charging ability, something that is vital for any industry that depends on prime movers.
I drive a bus and can’t wait for these to enter service! So many manufacturers would be able to retrofit current designs and bring EV to market faster!
I've heard that retrofitting busses is actually more cost effective than new EV busses
So, now what's under the hood? Make a helluva frunk lol
For these conversations... probably power electronics. And of course the HVAC. Probably the electric air compressor. I imagine they could reshape the hood to be lower and now aerodynamic without the large cooling pack and tall engine
Andre on the cutting edge as always
ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE THE OUTDATED EDGE 1832 ...VS INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE 1886
Oh yea!
I wonder if they would put those directly onto a trailer as well as on the truck pulling it for trucks that have to drive in adverse conditions like in mountains and on slippery roads where traction can be a problem obviously that wouldn't be ideal for just Highway application
It's possible, just a matter of if the juice is worth the squeeze
Nice video, only grip was each time there seemed to be an exterior shot of the truck going by there was talking so I wasn't able to get the full "sound/or not" of the electric drive.
An over priced golf cart, I used to drive for u.s. Xpress, most of the company trucks were automatic. I was reading in some of these EVS semi trucks the range is 250 miles🤣 I hope the electric aircraft is a whole lot better. The regular conventional combustible diesel engine is about twice that on a single fill up. With this new technology thought the rule is to meet or exceed the current in use. Then I got to sit for about 2 hours for the whole thing to charge, that's two hours I could be further down the Road closer to my destination. I then went in the US Army driving trucks motor transport operator and I don't think EV'$ are a good idea in the US Military.
The guy with Andre lied a bit. They are not in the GM/Chevy trucks anymore. It's an Allison "branded" transmission, but GM builds them in house. They just pay Allison to use the name...
@@HondaWired tesla killing themselves
You people never miss an opportunity 🙄
@@HondaWired Yeah tesla has never bent the truth...
That's kind of common, I think. Take an alternator: a supplier like Delco will make them, and either stamp the case with "GM" or "Delco", but it's made by the same company.
GM pickups have GM transmissions, but the transmission bolted to a Duramax 6.6 in a Chevrolet Silverado 4500HD, 5500HD, or 6500HD is a real Allison 1000 or 2000 Series.
The rest of the video aside, that seat belt was driving. Andre nuts 😂
It was hiting my mic.
I had a feeling that's what was going on. The funny thing is though when it was over your mike it really wasn't affecting the audio and a negative way. But you didn't realize that at the time and kept moving it
Tesla has a very well thought out Semi coming out soon. It has fabulous energy efficiency and exceptional good looks. The drivers love them and they will have no problem selling them as fast as they can make them.
Conversion possibilities with existing fleets and truck manufacturers sounds very interesting. Would love to see some follow up with the companies that are looking to do that and see how far along they are.
It’s really a question of a battery’s response to daily FULL use compared to a car running around town
Personally I see this kinda tech being battery powered with a small diesel range extender under the hood for long hauls and just bev for short
@@PhilthyHorseRacing
Too heavy as a hybrid
@@philmarwood69 How heavy? Fuel savings under 20 mph would be worth it
@@Pernection ... These are work vehicles. They need that weight allowance to carry goods that they can sell ...
But in this case they are having to carry an electric motor and batteries.
Plus I easy would it be to maintain and service?
@Pernection
Fuel savings will be wiped out by monthly loss of tonnage.
The payload is all that matters in commercial trucking and anything that impedes on that is a waste of time.
This is is great because they can outfit existing trucks with this.
which is what they would all be doing if they actually cared about the environment.
I could see this as a possibility for fleets like Franz, UPS, WinCo/Safeway/Kroger. They run a lot of miles, regionally. And keep them a long time. So when they need a major engine overhaul, try this set up and see how it works. Then start installing chargers at their yard
Andre is doing to seatbelt what my wife likes to do the moment she gets in the car 😂😂😂
Andre has a lot of friends. I feel like he might consider me a friend.
Big gaps in the dash?
You guys should head out to Hyliion and do a video with Thomas Healy about their offerings. They are at the forefront of the e-axle conversions for existing big rig tractors. They will have offerings from BEV all the way to RNG hybrids.
That seatbelt looked a pain in the arse
My dream is to one day repower my vintage motorhome with an electric powertrain. Way more torque than a diesel, fewer moving parts, more reliable, and less maintenance. The downside is that battery technology just isn't there yet, and a 40ft bus isn't going to fit in currently available fast charging spots w/o blocking traffic. I need to go 500+ miles at a constant 65mph in a vehicle with the aerodynamic efficiency of the broadside of a barn. Current tech is limited to short hauls and around town driving, but here's to hoping for vast improvements within the next 10 years or so.
You drive rvs with 60-80+gallon fuel tanks now then? 🤔
@@4literv6 Yes, but gas and diesel are much more energy dense than batteries and can be replenished in just a few minutes. Maybe recharging off AC at the campsite would be an option, but the issue is still getting there in the first place.
@@nathanielmoore87 so you don't think existing pull through dcfc would work. Or that the tesla megachargers would work that recharge the 500 mile semi trucks to 70% in 30mins?
People like you always love to harp on gas and diesels energy density for some reason.
I just laugh at how inefficient engine's are that suck squish squirt bang and blow but still require batteries and electric motors to work. 😀
Gas is 33.7kwhs per gallon road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon. The tesla semi is around 900kwhs of useable energy to go 500 real world miles doing 55mph at 82,000#. So doing the math about 30 gallons of gas or 23 gallons of diesel in total energy to go 500 miles loaded.
Most diesel semis get 6.5mpg loaded up at hwy speeds so 6.5mpg x 23 gallons=149 miles a dirty diesel could go for the same energy the tesla semi can do 500+on. Energy that can come from nuclear/hydro/wind/solar/biomass etc. 😀
@@4literv6 I'm not against electric. I love the concept, but facts are facts. A 75kwh battery like the one found in the Tesla Model 3 weighs 1054lb (478kg). According to the EPA, that's approximately equal to 2.23 gallons of gas. That 2.23 gallons weighs about 13.9 lbs. As far as fast charging, yes, it can be done in a reasonable amount of time as shown by the Hummer EV, but it's still slower than filling a fuel tank. The bigger issue I have is standard level 2 and level 3 charging spaces aren't big enough for long vehicles like my motorhome. TFL themselves have shown this while attempting to charge while towing a trailer. They could disconnect the trailer (an inconvenience for sure) but in my case, I would be blocking traffic and everyone would hate me. As tech improves, I can see more truck stops addressing this issue, but we aren't there yet. As I stated in my OP, I hope to someday convert my vintage rig to electric, but it makes more sense to stick with fossil fuels for time being. The best I could hope for at present is a PHEV setup, but it just adds so much more complexity that staying straight ICE.
@@nathanielmoore87 and yet a tesla model 3 which weighs the same as it's most commonly traded in conquest the BMW 3 series.
Can somehow go over 300 miles on that puny amount of energy. Vs a BMW might go 70ish miles max on 2.23 gallons?
My old 3 series wouldn't even do 55miles at hwy speeds on 2+gallons of gas. 😎
Wow. With Allison doing this it's kind of officially here. No more if or when. I've always thought this to be a good idea but I'm a layman and I don't know much about it. I've loaded trucks in the past and generally 25,000 pounds was a good tare weight for truck and trailer. Remove the engine and transmission and that would lower it quite a bit. I wish I knew what a 100 kWh battery weighs. This one has 400 kWh with 250 range. It seems like a 1200 kWh battery would cover any drivers legal range for a day. A 300kwh charger would have the driver ready to go in 4 hours, which he would legally have to wait longer. Super interesting
the 200 kwh battery in the Hummer weighs just under 3,000 lbs, so a 1,200 kWh battery would probably be 18,000 lbs. Engineering Explained did a good video on EV semi truck batteries a while back.
@@jakelee5456 WOW. A lot more than I expected. Typically a semi truck and trailer can haul roughly 25 tons/50,000 pounds. A day cab with a light trailer maybe 27.5 tons. That would take roughly 9 tons away. I don't know if that would be feasible. Maybe. Thanks a lot for that info.
EV packs are heavy, yes. But getting lighter/kWh all the time. However, people often just quote the engine weight when looking at the difference. What about the transmission weight? Driveshaft? After treatment equipment? Exhaust pipes? Hydraulic steering components vs EPS system? Starter and alternator? You see my point. Covered units will not be as light as a BEV trucks designed from the ground up, but it's a start
Allison makes it official, but Dana, Meritor, and ZF don't?
I ❤️seeing Andre drive an International!!!
So it's using an air actuators shifter mechanism.... Does it still need a traditional clutch like the other manumatics?
No, there is no traditional clutch.
My grand marquis in front 4:43. Looking for one just like it this year
This is a good for vehicles that are already paid off. But not vehicles under manufacturer warranty.
great review guys and a good Truk
Sounds like a great way to go. Instead of buying a new tesla truck maybe retro fit what you already have.
So if you have a dual axel each one would have a 2 speed transmission?
Yes, with this design the axles of independent of each other, so each has it's own motor and transmission.
How does the lack of the weight of an engine affect the steering control when fully loaded. Does the battery pack make up for it
The packs look to be centered further aft, so that weight is closer to the axles, and their weight is greater than an engine. However, I think power electronics are under the hood, so that is some weight. I imagine the feel is different, but control is just fine
price for this?
With a single axle, it must barely be a Class 8, with 12,000 lb front and 20,000 lb rear GAWR. Andre's guess seems reasonable to me - a single rear axle heavy truck would more likely be Class 7.
These are short haul trucks. retrofitting the existing platform is a great way to go. Tried and true and fits the segments needs. The Tesla truck is a long haul. Nobody is gonna be using the Tesla freight truck for short haul. These rigs are curtailed to a different environment than long haul.
It's a conversion but most trucks are short haul anyway. Move it across the country via train and then do the final route for delivery. Much more important to get the short haul and local delivery trucks electric transitioned first.
The Tesla Semi is a day cab for now so not what most truckers would call a long haul truck. It should be able to do longer distance day runs though, which their EV semi competition can't do.
@@davidmccarthy6061 thank you! People always say EVs are not suitable for long haul trucks...true for now. But the daily routes going from DC to stores is well suited for them. The lower cost of ownership and less down time is critical
Suggestion for a Future Feature: interview Allison about the GM HD 10-Speed Transmission that TFL is so keen to label the "Allison-branded" GM transmission. It'll be great to have you all stop labeling it that way, especially considering the Allison employee clearly stated that "They're in everything, from the GM pick-ups with the Duramax, all the way up to the M-1 Abrams tank."
Just a thought and I would be greatly interested in what Allison has to say regarding it.
Having issued with that belt eh? 😆
I think it was covering his mic
@Brian Huynh ik but damn lol
The Powerglide will never die :)
What about the PTO
If you need to power something else (such as a hydraulic pump), you use an electric motor powered from the truck's high-voltage battery.
Way to pivot Allison, this is fantastic.
Poor Andre, that seat belt position just isn't working for him.
the anti-ev people in the comments are looking sadder and sadder with each passing day and each new video.
i'm a lifelong silverado driver and was a die hard gas engine guy. until i got an EV. i will never buy another gas vehicle.
think of it like your electric power tools. they simply do the job better with less fuss. why wouldn't you use them?
Not having to shift leaves lots of time to play with the seatbelt.
My trucks pull side dumps
I need PTO hydraulic system
Willy the electric trucks have PTO ability ?
If you need to power something else (such as a hydraulic pump), you use an electric motor powered from the truck's high-voltage battery.
I have to preface this comment by saying I may never own a Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fanboy. But it's funny to me how from charging to semi-truck design, companies will feel pressured to do something like make an electric semi truck, but miss something like making it functionally aerodynamic. Or make charging stations that still have screens exposed to the elements that constantly break. Like, these companies aren't even intelligent enough to just outright copy ideas in their entirety.
Braking is the question down a hill? Does it need the runaway lane....
Regen creates a lot of braking power, similar to Jake's I think. Traditional air brakes after that. Still need runaway lane in case of failure
Verticle integration is the key. These guys don't want to do that, so they probably should do conversions of existing Diesels.
they want to be an oem supplier of motors, e axles, etc.. theyre not interested in building the whole thing
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Australia has been doing the retrofit already for just over a year on big rigs that are road legal and using reclaimed EV batteries that they interchange instead of pulling up to a charger, instead they swap out the battery packs that take place of the original fuel tanks by forklift which only takes a total of 5 minutes to do both and the cement company finds they are getting an average of 213 miles in a full day , and the batteries never go under full degradation 👍
@Enrique A Thiele Solivan yeah they just have to open shops all over the country and hire people to run them, so easy.
How about four (or more) wheel drive? Have this in the front too.
Different type of axle, not likely drop in. But it's doable for sure.
Most heavy trucks have no need for a driven front axle.
Electric Semi !!!!! How big are these batteries?? Gotta be huge!!
Big bois, yes
What's up with you and that seat belt 😅.
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damn the other guy is no fun
"Hey Burt"
Charge time?
Yes
How can you kill something that does not exists
It would be great for school buses to be electrified.
So I must admit that I didn’t watch this video in it’s entirety so I may have missed some things about this truck. 1) What’s the range of this truck when fully loaded? 2) What’s the duration time to fully recharge the batteries? 3) What’s the plan for their charging infrastructure? 4) He said that they don’t do batteries, so where are they planning to source their batteries? 5) How are they planning for possible future supply chain disruptions in terms of batteries and chip shortages? And I guess I should mention that seatbelt issue needs to be addressed.
The other thing is if you’re gonna shoot a video like this, you do not have to be on camera 80% of the time while driving a truck of this size and you’re filming a video talking to each other and your eyes are not on the road, not a very good look, particularly for those who are interested in safety, which brings me to the next topic of is there any plan to have this vehicle becoming self driving?
So you could shoot this video almost entirely, and never appear on video, just shoot the truck, you’re not a celebrity don’t even go there, as no one cares about celebrities, they only care about the product. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
They said depends on the battery, they are doing about 250 miles in this config.
The rest of your comment about Andre is pointless and dumb
@@GadgetMan777 Hey professor, are you sure it’s not your comments that’s pointless and dumb?
@@theodorehaskins3756 I'm not the one that didn't watch the whole video then still complained about it
@@GadgetMan777 So how does that make my comments dumb as it obviously got your attention did it not?
@@theodorehaskins3756 True. If getting attention being dumb was the goal, then mission accomplished 👍
I'm just giving you a hard time. Poor ole Andre out here doing good work, gotta give him props
I Can see this going into a heavy wrecker or massive 4x4
Cool 😎 👍👍. Tesla really open everyone's eyes to develop a Edrive for all vehicles.
And everyone seems to be passing them up. First with the pickups, Rivian, Ford, and even Hummer/GM beat the Cybertruck and now semi truck companies beating Tesla to EV semi production
EV semi trucks are just hitting the road. We have yet to see if Teslas are that much better.
Driver and seatbelt super annoying
At least trucks should be electric under 20 mph.
The Tesla semi is kind of like religion, if you belong to the religion, then you believe that it’s real!?
He almost forgot how to drive
What absolute drivel.
What's the battery size?
What's the price?
What's the range on a charge at max load?
What's the max charge speed?
Where's the charging network?
Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail.
Still junk for most applications where diesels would do fine
The diesel would be fine to breathe in for your lungs? No thanks I’ll breathe what comes out of the « junk » and you keep breathing the diesel and increasing asthma in kids and lung cancer in adults.
The difference is this won't poison the air everywhere it goes.
Said no one ever, who actually knows
What a joke! Gutted a truck and replaced parts. You created NOTHING! A tech-school garage project.
I think that electric pickups and semi trucks are more novelty than workhorse. Electric semi trucks are a cool idea though.
Electric isnt the near future for trucking. Hydrogen is the best alternative option for now.
Tesla Semi is already in production and used on daily routes. It has been demonstrated to do 500 mile range and PepsiCo uses it daily for 420 mile routes. Hydrogen is a pipe dream since both fuel cells and hydrogen itself are too expensive (and will continue to be more expensive since maki t hydrogen is very inefficient). The only people who want hydrogen are the big oil companies in hopes they can continue to control the energy market. They will fail.
In the next 3-5 years new mega chargers will open all around major highways and would allow EV semis to do long haul trips as well. EV Semi is already cheaper to operate than diesel and the one and only thing truck operators care about is total cost per mile - and EV Semi are already cheaper and will get significantly cheaper in the next 5 years.
@@ranig2848 for short local runs electric trucks are fine however long haul it simply isn’t feasible yet. These trucks have been proven to not make it 500 miles in real world driving. Also otr drivers know time is money. Look into new hydrogen trucks. They are around already. They can be quickly fueled, fair mileage, use that fuel to power electric motors/batteries. Plugging in for half a day isn’t always an option for many truckers. Remember a otr driver doesn’t always have the luxury of taking the break at a nice truck stop. It can be on the side of the interstate or random parking lots
hydrogen uses 3x the electricity to go the same distance. you do the math
@@protovack but in what amount of time?
@@everydayfleettech2286 first, Tesla had demonstrated to do a 500 mile run, with a video, over mountain passes, fully loaded. While I assume most prefer to recharge at 420-450, it is not only possible - it was shown to be able to do it and PepsiCo confirmed it’s correct.
As for long routes, I agree that it is not yet feasible because there are not enough megachargers. That’s going to change quite quickly as those are only required near interstate highways for long hauling. Tesla and others are already deploying them so within 3-5 years the network will be good enough to cover 90% of the routes if not more. As for hydrogen, it’s a nonstarter. The cost of hydrogen is too expensive - at least 5x more than electricity and in an industry that does what it can to save every cent - it’s just never going to happen. There are going to be demos and the physics is there but the economics are just horrible so these are going to stay as demos and never scale. It’s not just me saying it - the company who pushed for hydrogen fuel cell trucks, Nikola, is shifting its efforts to EVs. Some companies are still pushing for this just because the governments and oil companies are fully subsidizing it - but because the economics is not there and never will be (cost of producing hydrogen is too high), it will never happen. Also, deploying hydrogen stations across interstates and keep filling them, is going to be way more expensive than mega charger stations. It’s only a matter of time until the big truck gas station companies (pilot and similar) will start deploying megachargers.
ha ha ha , why aren't you pulling a load .... cause it doesn't work , TFL keeps proving that ... ha ha ha
Well, they prob don’t want press people toting a trailer around the city streets or fairgrounds for a demo drive is most likely a huge reason. I think this might be part of the work truck show at the fairgrounds in downtown Indianapolis.
I think EV big trucks make the most sense for short haul or city routes, myself. Places where combustion engines are spending a high % of idle time or stop & go.
More likely cause he doesn't have a CDL.
@@Species-lj8wh I believe Andre does have cdl, seem to remember him going through it a couple years ago with mr. truck.
Because he doesn't have a CDL so isn't allowed to pull a load.
Volvo and kenworth are selling electric day cabs so it does work.
Mercedes in Europe have brought out a sleeper electric truck. It works, it's just inbred rednecks who foolishly think it doesn't work.
Woooooo hoooooo ev on the ice roads hahaha
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