@@getterzth6957 The answer is complicated. Bitterblack isle was created from Ashe's wish,so he can technically foil the cycle by continuously killing arisens. But the seneschal never intervened Daimon, maybe they deem the challenge to be necessary for the successor so it is part of the cycle?
@@getterzth6957 Technically speaking, it's functions like another wish granted to an Arisen that refuses to fight the great dragon. What makes it appear like a special case is that from Ashe's perspective, he chose neither of the options, that being a) to try to kill the dragon or b) accepting the bargain offered. He refused both and cursed the world. But to the Great Dragon Grette this just counted as option b) as this was the thing Ashe desired in this moment the most (also he clearly refused to kill the dragon). So in technical terms, it's not different from Dragonsbane chosing to become the Duke in exchange for his beloved one. Only the specifics are very different as Ashe now as Daimon tries destroy this entire system, in his isolated island.
@@getterzth6957No, more so Bitterblack Isle was created when Ashe (Daemon) tried to break the cycle out of anger, but instead the current dragon saw his curse and hatred as his wish. I guess in a way he did get both his master (the dragon) and his beloved (his pawn) at the same time, but the dragon was suffused with him to become Daemon while his Pawn became a specter bound to the island.
imo Dragon's Dogma's story is still amazing and bittersweet in its rightful taste. Though the game's not known for its story, I still believe it offered a unique one.
I heard a lot of good things about the story, thats why I even tried the game. And in my opinion, Dragon's Dogma even has one of the best story's found in games. It's not very well executed and directed and there's also some issues with the pacing, but that's probably because of budget-limits. At any rate, in my opinion, the story deals with very profound subjects. Subjects like a multitude of worlds, each infinite unto itself and the very concept of "eternal return". And everything just fits so well into the story. But yeah, I kinda get it, that the story of Dragon's Dogma is a bit underrated, like the game itself.
You missed a bit of more dialogue. During the fight after Orla's part Daimon speaks again and it's very sad. I remember years ago when i first made it through bbi i got very emotional about Ashe, Grette and Orla's story.
Olra dialogue is the part that makes entire thing perfect! Through the entire DD I don't feel too much...it was a good game with excellent action mechanism. But story wise very mediocre However, just this single battle with the BGM and Olra's dialogue makes the scene one of the most memorable in all my game experience! I can't name another single fight evoked so much emotion... not even Nier, not even dark souls123, not even any final fantasy... (but overall I feel those are better games lol) Somehow this scene just stay in my mind.... and sadly the second time you face him you won't hear the dialogue... which makes it even more precious
Yeah, Ashe and Olra became lovers. Its enscribed on that monument in front of the main entrance once you see all the voiced scenes leading up to Daimon.
wasnt his pawn at first, it was his teachers who was the arisen before him. Then when she lost to the seneschal, Olra then became his pawn and then his teacher(the new dragon) cursed him to live as that being during his time as arisen
ackshully, ashe and pre-dragon olra were both lovers and teacher/student AND mom/son (yes, incest abounds). Somehow whoever Olra used to be lost the piss-easy battle against the Seneschal (and i say this because he always seems to WANT to lose) and then by the time Ashe (new Arisen at this point) reached THE Dragon, he couldn't decide if he would rather kill his mom or his pawn copy of his mom. Instead he monkey-paw-wished himself into being a demon by cussing at the current dragon when he asked what he'd prefer to wish for.
You're forgetting Grette. Grette was the arisen turned dragon, her pawn Olra gained the transferal of spirit and assumed Grettes form before becoming Ashe's love. Olra was human but still served Ashe as a pawn, and the tragedy is that Ashe realized Grette was the dragon. Grette failed against the seneschal, sought Ashe out to slay her, and when told to pick between a wish where Olra was the cost or slaying Grette, Ashe damned the circle with an unintentional wish and lost everything. He couldn't kill Grette, Olra was lost, Ashe was functionally possessed by Daimon. The incest part is Ashe crushing on Grette, who was like a mother to him after picking him up from a village destroyed by Grettes dragon. So no blood or even legal connections, she was just a mother figure. It would be like having a crush on someone's mom as a kid and then meeting their daughter who looked like them when they became of age. Like it's weird, but not actual incest weird.
I went outta my way to find the lore of Bitter Black Isle and I still didn't find out if the place where we fight Damon is even on Earth. I say this because if you look outside. It looks like you're in another realm or something.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it is sort of in a spiritual plane of existence since only arisens are able to enter the island. You may access it from earth but it doesn't necessarily mean it is ON earth. Especially since only the arisen can see Olra, the only person that can take you there aside from daimon luring you which is the alternative
Bitterblack Isle is removed from the world and time itself. This is why Arisen who get trapped on the island can still be alive thousands upon thousands of years later with NO change to themselves, and likely can survive the dragon who has their heart dying and "returning" their heart because they are outside their realm and time.
The Mantle(back piece with the spiky shoulders) I have on, if my memory is correct, is the Ancient Mantle. You can get it from certain chest(s) in the Everfall dungeon after clearing most of the game. You can also get it in one particular chest in Bitterblack 1.0(pre-Daimon defeat) although I don't remember where it is. Save/Godsbane until you get what you want like cursed items.
This is a tragic boss, by trying to find a third option he lost everything
Yes, thus, begins the endless cycle of Dragon Dogma.
@@danmoua7686 Is Bitterblack isle involved with the cycle?
@@getterzth6957 The answer is complicated.
Bitterblack isle was created from Ashe's wish,so he can technically foil the cycle by continuously killing arisens. But the seneschal never intervened Daimon, maybe they deem the challenge to be necessary for the successor so it is part of the cycle?
@@getterzth6957 Technically speaking, it's functions like another wish granted to an Arisen that refuses to fight the great dragon. What makes it appear like a special case is that from Ashe's perspective, he chose neither of the options, that being a) to try to kill the dragon or b) accepting the bargain offered. He refused both and cursed the world. But to the Great Dragon Grette this just counted as option b) as this was the thing Ashe desired in this moment the most (also he clearly refused to kill the dragon).
So in technical terms, it's not different from Dragonsbane chosing to become the Duke in exchange for his beloved one. Only the specifics are very different as Ashe now as Daimon tries destroy this entire system, in his isolated island.
@@getterzth6957No, more so Bitterblack Isle was created when Ashe (Daemon) tried to break the cycle out of anger, but instead the current dragon saw his curse and hatred as his wish. I guess in a way he did get both his master (the dragon) and his beloved (his pawn) at the same time, but the dragon was suffused with him to become Daemon while his Pawn became a specter bound to the island.
tHere'S nO wAY wE cOulD HaVe LoSt tO tHAt
A normal pawn 2020
Daimons hunt in packs!
Lmao I broke when she said that 😂
I fancied myself a strong man...
Damn, the feels
I swear
imo Dragon's Dogma's story is still amazing and bittersweet in its rightful taste. Though the game's not known for its story, I still believe it offered a unique one.
I heard a lot of good things about the story, thats why I even tried the game. And in my opinion, Dragon's Dogma even has one of the best story's found in games. It's not very well executed and directed and there's also some issues with the pacing, but that's probably because of budget-limits. At any rate, in my opinion, the story deals with very profound subjects. Subjects like a multitude of worlds, each infinite unto itself and the very concept of "eternal return". And everything just fits so well into the story. But yeah, I kinda get it, that the story of Dragon's Dogma is a bit underrated, like the game itself.
@@AcodeXI absolutely dude, really hope they can fully realize the potential of the story in the sequel or the anime
i didnt really like the main story..cool concept but execution wasnt great imo
DA took it to another level tho...
This fight pumps me up like no other honestly, the Olra dialogue echoing over the soundtrack while this big fuckin demon charges at you, so so good
Literally an anime scene
This is the best Daimon upload on TH-cam
Thank you
Daimon: "oh, a sorcerer Arisen, let me harass you so you cant cast your fancy spells"
Me: "lol, Holy focused bolt go brrrr"
You missed a bit of more dialogue. During the fight after Orla's part Daimon speaks again and it's very sad. I remember years ago when i first made it through bbi i got very emotional about Ashe, Grette and Orla's story.
Is it only me, or Bitterblack Isle looks like a huge angry face?
Considering what the island has to throw at us. It may as well be.
I'm waiting Dragon's Dogma 2
Orochi I don’t know if it’s true but I heard that they might make dragon’s dogma Netflix adaptation
Orochi but also they might have some plans for Dragon’s dogma 2
It got confirmed
@@Forkontheleft no
Well, it was either Devil May Cry 5 or Dragon's Dogma 2 and we know what they went with. We're probably fucked.
05:08 stfu we barely alive :o
Olra dialogue is the part that makes entire thing perfect!
Through the entire DD I don't feel too much...it was a good game with excellent action mechanism. But story wise very mediocre
However, just this single battle with the BGM and Olra's dialogue makes the scene one of the most memorable in all my game experience!
I can't name another single fight evoked so much emotion... not even Nier, not even dark souls123, not even any final fantasy... (but overall I feel those are better games lol)
Somehow this scene just stay in my mind.... and sadly the second time you face him you won't hear the dialogue... which makes it even more precious
for me Ludwig fight from Bloodborne still a top notch nothing beat it
So let me get this straight, Salmon boned his pawn and said pawn became his lover?
Yeah, Ashe and Olra became lovers. Its enscribed on that monument in front of the main entrance once you see all the voiced scenes leading up to Daimon.
wasnt his pawn at first, it was his teachers who was the arisen before him. Then when she lost to the seneschal, Olra then became his pawn and then his teacher(the new dragon) cursed him to live as that being during his time as arisen
ackshully, ashe and pre-dragon olra were both lovers and teacher/student AND mom/son (yes, incest abounds). Somehow whoever Olra used to be lost the piss-easy battle against the Seneschal (and i say this because he always seems to WANT to lose) and then by the time Ashe (new Arisen at this point) reached THE Dragon, he couldn't decide if he would rather kill his mom or his pawn copy of his mom. Instead he monkey-paw-wished himself into being a demon by cussing at the current dragon when he asked what he'd prefer to wish for.
You're forgetting Grette. Grette was the arisen turned dragon, her pawn Olra gained the transferal of spirit and assumed Grettes form before becoming Ashe's love. Olra was human but still served Ashe as a pawn, and the tragedy is that Ashe realized Grette was the dragon. Grette failed against the seneschal, sought Ashe out to slay her, and when told to pick between a wish where Olra was the cost or slaying Grette, Ashe damned the circle with an unintentional wish and lost everything. He couldn't kill Grette, Olra was lost, Ashe was functionally possessed by Daimon.
The incest part is Ashe crushing on Grette, who was like a mother to him after picking him up from a village destroyed by Grettes dragon. So no blood or even legal connections, she was just a mother figure. It would be like having a crush on someone's mom as a kid and then meeting their daughter who looked like them when they became of age. Like it's weird, but not actual incest weird.
Wish we could get a daimon vs grigori show case like with monster hunter and dark souls boss’s on pc
Wait..”you can fucking dodge”
Its a shame the rift attack takes so long to complete and recover from, kills the pace in an otherwise pretty good boss fight.
I went outta my way to find the lore of Bitter Black Isle and I still didn't find out if the place where we fight Damon is even on Earth. I say this because if you look outside. It looks like you're in another realm or something.
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure it is sort of in a spiritual plane of existence since only arisens are able to enter the island. You may access it from earth but it doesn't necessarily mean it is ON earth. Especially since only the arisen can see Olra, the only person that can take you there aside from daimon luring you which is the alternative
Bitterblack Isle is removed from the world and time itself. This is why Arisen who get trapped on the island can still be alive thousands upon thousands of years later with NO change to themselves, and likely can survive the dragon who has their heart dying and "returning" their heart because they are outside their realm and time.
With Daniel 25 say deep
What move is that spinning knife body to the ground?
helm splitter
Now do it again and show the real ending
How did you get that armour
The Mantle(back piece with the spiky shoulders) I have on, if my memory is correct, is the Ancient Mantle. You can get it from certain chest(s) in the Everfall dungeon after clearing most of the game. You can also get it in one particular chest in Bitterblack 1.0(pre-Daimon defeat) although I don't remember where it is. Save/Godsbane until you get what you want like cursed items.
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