I worked for a sports agency as a junior intermediary for two years. I was always fascinated with the inner workings of football and thought I would like to make a career out of it. Unfortunately the business is a filthy one and it’s primary interest is a self serving one - money. The vast majority of senior agents are only concerned with moving players around to secure huge fees for services rendered. The players career trajectory is redundant to the business model and there is little to no duty of care for the clients personal objectives. Sports agencies should be forced to operate like other entertainment agencies whereby the client pays 10/15% of the contract directly to the agent and not the football clubs. This will ensure agencies are always working for the best interest of the player.
Simon Jordan is spot on. People like Raiola are a poison to the game and exploit the sport purely for their own huge financial gain, and there’s just need for it for both the player or the club.
A code of conduct should also be implemented. No more of this nonesense where agents go to the press to try and leverage clubs to move a player. They should not be allowed to manipulate the transfer market. It is not fair to clubs who pay the player's wages, but most importantly, it is not fair to the fans!
Its amazing that players use these guys to do all their dirty week but the clubs must pay them. Clubs must stand up and push back on these bully agents.
It’s always fascinated me how an agent can have so much power over a player. These players can afford to pay them directly to be their managers/agents/legal advisor
A lot of players players these days are babysat from a young age by clubs...they simply continue like that, easily controlled by those who have not been. Not all of course, but many
We need more Simon Jordan's in our game and go in these waste of space money hungry agents. All they care about is themselves than others, who give them the money they get.
There are always 2 sides of the coin. One of the biggest reason agents exist in the first place, was because players were being exploited by their clubs and sponsors.
The odd thing is, I would expect most of these "super agents" to be extremely high IQ, learned, sophisticated business people. But the biggest names tend to be petty, palpably low/low-middling IQ, uncultured people with limited negotiation experience and no real talent. Why do these players defer to agents like they are second fathers? It's bizarre.
Well I'm sure if it was that easy then you'd try it yourself like many others who think the same. But you don't get to that level of managing plenty of superstar clients without having the skills to negotiate properly, I'm assuming..
Football clubs have local, cultural heritage and the agents' fees could be the difference between a club staying afloat or going under at the end of the financial year, so the responsibility for the agents' fees must rest on the players themselves to pay their agents - it should not be the responsibility of their prospective club to pay them a cut of the fee on top of the transfer fee (just like I might choose to pay a mortgage advisor to do the work for a better mortgage deal, or pay a solicitor for legal advice). This financial burden is also more pressing assuming the 'lurgy' that shall not be named could get in the way from games being played to generate revenue in the future (which is no doubt part of a club's annual projected earnings to plan with). If clubs can mitigate those outgoings earlier in the season (especially the summer transfer window), then they will have more revenue to deal with emergencies later on in the season and pay the regular staff who mostly don't earn megabucks.
When it's in an agent's financial interest to move a player onto another club you will inevitably get some that want a player to be unsettled at his club.
If the player who will pay the agent, then transfer fee will be kept at lowest possible, because it came from the player’s pocket. No more overprice player
Football itself is to blame for the rise of the agent. There is no need for a rule change, all clubs could agree not to pay agents a single penny and that would be the end of it. The players should and would then have to pay the agent. You reap what you sow.
If Harry kane had a more experienced agent, then Harry kane would not have been taken advantage of by the club. Sometimes agents are necessary otherwise clubs will take advantage. Remember it was a club that values a players market value. That's why transfers are so high.
@@tq6892 agreed but considering his release clause is 70 million and someone offers 100 million instead to dortmund in january, they will not reject the bid
Agent's fees are bad enough, But Premier League Manager Pay-offs are a whole next level of unscrupulous business. Lottery Winning sized pay-offs for doing a bad job. Keeping a club and its fans in Limbo whilst they wait for the board to do the honourable thing. At least agents (Who I hate with a passion) don't hold a club and its fans to siege like bad managers do.
People, like Jim, who make the argument that "not all agents are bad" are using poor logic. New legislation should come in to bring all the bad agents in line with the good ones. Note: I do understand that Jim is playing counterpoint for the sake of the radio show.
Agents works for the benefit of players as they call it. So let the players pay the agent from their money NOT THE CLUB. This will balance things even. Still 10% is too much. It should be 2-5% max as those agents doesn’t contribute anything to the game at all.
So, does this mean Mino Raiola will try to force a transfer move from Dortmund for Haaland this January, before these new regulations are due to come into force, or else risking millions of extra commissions for himself?
The clubs pay the fees because they can. The clubs can pay the money because fans hand it over (directly and via TV rights). Think of it like taxes. Clubs tax fans annually, just for loving the club, and the clubs then spend that tax as badly as any government.
Football should make sure that there will not be any more agents like Raiola comes that man has way too power which clubs can sign his clients who can not and he decided were his clients end up playing and not his players
Simon this attitude about agents, even though you're morally correct, cost us (Palace) Tim Cahill when we got relegated in 04/05. We were relegated by a tiny margin and surely had you let it go and purchased him then we'd have probably stayed up And you'd be much richer today
@@xNSHD the FACTS are that Jordan refused to buy Cahill because he refused to pay an agent I like the guy and think he was a decent owner but there should've been a compromise in this
@@TeamOfThe80s OK ye but you are insinuating like its a fact that if cahill had been bought you would have stayed up yet there is zero way of knowing that.
Do players really need agents? If they are that sought after surely they can negotiate their own contracts i.e. KDB. If not hire someone who has your best interests at heart like a family member or friend. Saying that it didn't work out well for Harry Kane...😐
This will shut the door on scum bags, we all know who I’m taking about, who literally moves players around clubs to make an utter fortune and sets the players against the club through the media. Best football news in years
The premier league has a thing for political statements nowadays, having black players stomp the yard game in and game out is apparently not enough of a message to racists trash, you can’t fix some people we have to accept that
Well, football clubs were so amazing at reducing racism at clubs..... As for alphabet police, your bigotry is showing Ben.... yawn. Find peace in your life. The hate and outrage in you must be overwhelming. You comparing agents to kneeling about stopping racism? Obviously you are truly affected by neither if both upset you the same.
There is only a transaction between the club and the agent. The player doesn’t pay his agent. So in any transfer, for example. There are 2 parties. The Player & The Club. The Agent isn’t Representing the club and has no interest in the clubs benefit, just taking £££ out their pocket. So is only representing the player.
@@liamfirkin2145 WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. FIRKIN ... TRULY HELPED ME UNDERSTAND, A LITTLE MORE! I COULD SEE WHAT SIMON WAS SAYING ABOUT THE AGENT'S MOTIVATIONS & ACTION'S HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON CLUBS (@ FOOTBALL). JUST COULD'NT CORRELATE THAT BETWEEN THE REPRESENTING ONE-SIDE COMMENT, YOUR REPLY HAS HELPED ME JOIN-THE-DOTS! ✌
the players the commodity. Agents are lucky to have them, and may not have made any money from several players for years. Jordan's a typical owner, everyone knows you make no money in footy as an owner and clowns still buy clubs and complain about money.
Simon is but hurt that he couldn’t fool these agents into seeing things his way ie; let him do what ever he wanted/pay what ever he wanted. There is nothing wrong with agents; they are employed by the players and do what they ask/needed them to do. Agents do what people like simon hate:provide another opportunity to gain knowledge
@@notfirstyourlast players pay them through the deal that is done between them and the club. The club is under no legal obligation to pay anyone. - The payment of the agent will always be part of the actual deal being done.
@@registame2878 what? Lol . Legal obligation? Haha. There is no legal obligation which is exactly why the players tell the agents to let rip with fees as they know there is no law prohibiting the agent being paid extortionate amounts of money. Read up on transfers...
@@notfirstyourlast thanks for the insight; I will read up even more on transfers. What exactly have you read up on transfers to solidify your opinions on them? - you do know all theses football clubs in the premier league could vote on issues like this outlawing them. Has your reading helped you figure out why they don’t?
@@registame2878 your welcome. Whatever you have read is clearly a terrible source because its common knowledge that clubs pay the agent, surely your not arguing this? Lol. They dont "have" to pay is like saying they dont have to sign the player. If EPL clubs vote to cap fees it would give foreighn leagues a competitive advantage....thats why they dont. Regulations like this have to be brought down governing body, FIFA.
People are some haters fr, people are so jealous of others making money. I agree football players should pay their agents, football agents are so much better now then they were before, these players are taken care of way better especially for long term investments for players. Players before would get ripped off, believe or not agents are better for football players 🤷🏿♂️
there is no place in the game for money driven agents..they are a blight nothing but, sadly fifa is more corrupt and until they are put in their place nothing will change
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I worked for a sports agency as a junior intermediary for two years. I was always fascinated with the inner workings of football and thought I would like to make a career out of it. Unfortunately the business is a filthy one and it’s primary interest is a self serving one - money. The vast majority of senior agents are only concerned with moving players around to secure huge fees for services rendered. The players career trajectory is redundant to the business model and there is little to no duty of care for the clients personal objectives. Sports agencies should be forced to operate like other entertainment agencies whereby the client pays 10/15% of the contract directly to the agent and not the football clubs. This will ensure agencies are always working for the best interest of the player.
Business is self serving, don't be naive and believe 'mission statements'
@@BigBoss-ti1wo I am not naive. I am sharing an experience I had as a young man.
that’s just business in a nutshell the only difference is that the good to great agents are able to do both
Tuned in this morning to the "Church of Simon Jordan." And this time all I could shout was "Amen!"
Simon Jordan is spot on. People like Raiola are a poison to the game and exploit the sport purely for their own huge financial gain, and there’s just need for it for both the player or the club.
If the player has an agent, then the player should pay him not the club. Classic Mr Jordan 👍
rarely agree with simon on footballing matters but he is dead right here mate
@@grassrootsfootball225 you one of them armchair bellends??
Well said Mr Jordan 👏👏
Simon Jordan should be at the fa or FIFA. I struggle to disagree with 99% he says.
A code of conduct should also be implemented. No more of this nonesense where agents go to the press to try and leverage clubs to move a player. They should not be allowed to manipulate the transfer market. It is not fair to clubs who pay the player's wages, but most importantly, it is not fair to the fans!
Its amazing that players use these guys to do all their dirty week but the clubs must pay them. Clubs must stand up and push back on these bully agents.
It’s always fascinated me how an agent can have so much power over a player. These players can afford to pay them directly to be their managers/agents/legal advisor
A lot of players players these days are babysat from a young age by clubs...they simply continue like that, easily controlled by those who have not been. Not all of course, but many
you think agents have power over players? players want the big name agents because they deliver results
We need more Simon Jordan's in our game and go in these waste of space money hungry agents. All they care about is themselves than others, who give them the money they get.
Never thought I’d say this but Simon Jordan is spot on!
Simons loving it and so am I, Mino can get tae !
Agent Benitez is doing a grand job at Everton.
Simon talking sense as usual
@@mrwhite292 He says it like it is!
"Well you know its just a subtle point I'm making" I laughed when I heard this on the radio this morning
well over, how ever players should pay their agent's not clubs!
Before agents. Clubs used to bully players.
Now it’s the other way around 😂☠️
Exactly. Without agents, players would play for a bag of peanuts.
Oh no! However will Raiola put food on his table now?
There are always 2 sides of the coin. One of the biggest reason agents exist in the first place, was because players were being exploited by their clubs and sponsors.
not in the last 30yrs they havent do players need agents i believe paul scholes never had 1. great player stayed in 1 club an agents nightmare
Jim totally does my head in and pulls faces like he’s on his high horse and he’s not in the same league as Simon on any level and never will be
The biggest C in media
He’s only winding Simon up. Jim adds a lot to the show
I'm not sure Jim is the sharpest knife in the drawer.
We should be talking about his performance each week! Lol
Don't think Simon likes agents.
Agents should get payed by there footballs them selfs and let’s get rid off them ASAP because they are taking millions out of every deal !!!!!!!
The odd thing is, I would expect most of these "super agents" to be extremely high IQ, learned, sophisticated business people. But the biggest names tend to be petty, palpably low/low-middling IQ, uncultured people with limited negotiation experience and no real talent. Why do these players defer to agents like they are second fathers? It's bizarre.
Why do you need IQ and culture to be football agent though?
Sociopaths know how to charm
Well I'm sure if it was that easy then you'd try it yourself like many others who think the same.
But you don't get to that level of managing plenty of superstar clients without having the skills to negotiate properly, I'm assuming..
because those agents get the results and protect players from getting exploited
Make the players pay from their wages....Simple!
Mino Raiola has left the chat.
Agents should only be able too have 2% and should have a limit on how many clients they can have, people like mino need running out the game
Best thing I've heard all day
The boss has spoken and spoken nothing but facts
Simon is right Agents should be paid by the players directly and then may be a cap on fees. Unfortunately Fifa has its own problems!
I was under the impression years ago that a player received 10% of his transfer fee and the agent was paid based in on the players earnings.
Football clubs have local, cultural heritage and the agents' fees could be the difference between a club staying afloat or going under at the end of the financial year, so the responsibility for the agents' fees must rest on the players themselves to pay their agents - it should not be the responsibility of their prospective club to pay them a cut of the fee on top of the transfer fee (just like I might choose to pay a mortgage advisor to do the work for a better mortgage deal, or pay a solicitor for legal advice). This financial burden is also more pressing assuming the 'lurgy' that shall not be named could get in the way from games being played to generate revenue in the future (which is no doubt part of a club's annual projected earnings to plan with). If clubs can mitigate those outgoings earlier in the season (especially the summer transfer window), then they will have more revenue to deal with emergencies later on in the season and pay the regular staff who mostly don't earn megabucks.
When it's in an agent's financial interest to move a player onto another club you will inevitably get some that want a player to be unsettled at his club.
Simon, it's a business cost. Intermediaries make things work in my experience.
If the player who will pay the agent, then transfer fee will be kept at lowest possible, because it came from the player’s pocket. No more overprice player
Make the player pay the fee of his agent as a condition for the transaction to be legally completed !
"A top agent's got in touch"
"Is there such a thing?" 😂
Even though I disagree with a lot of Jordan he is a good person to listen to when it comes to the financial side
No it doesn’t, it’s ludicrous. SJ is spot on with his thinking about agents
One and only reason I listen to talk sport Simon Jordan .
So 150m on Erling Halaand means Raiola gets 15m straight away 😂😂
Simon absolutely nailed it, 👏 most agents are absolute pathetic and not good for the sports
Fascinating discussion
Football itself is to blame for the rise of the agent. There is no need for a rule change, all clubs could agree not to pay agents a single penny and that would be the end of it. The players should and would then have to pay the agent. You reap what you sow.
If Harry kane had a more experienced agent, then Harry kane would not have been taken advantage of by the club. Sometimes agents are necessary otherwise clubs will take advantage. Remember it was a club that values a players market value.
That's why transfers are so high.
An owner arguing over who gets to exploit the players the most
This means Haaland may move in january as raiola will benefit if he moves in january before his release clause is activated
It’s very unlikely due to Haaland’s personal relationship with BVB. The club and player have an agreement that will see him leave in the summer.
@@tq6892 agreed but considering his release clause is 70 million and someone offers 100 million instead to dortmund in january, they will not reject the bid
I heard Raiola's fee is over £30m for Erling Haaland :)
Agent's fees are bad enough, But Premier League Manager Pay-offs are a whole next level of unscrupulous business. Lottery Winning sized pay-offs for doing a bad job. Keeping a club and its fans in Limbo whilst they wait for the board to do the honourable thing. At least agents (Who I hate with a passion) don't hold a club and its fans to siege like bad managers do.
People, like Jim, who make the argument that "not all agents are bad" are using poor logic. New legislation should come in to bring all the bad agents in line with the good ones. Note: I do understand that Jim is playing counterpoint for the sake of the radio show.
What kind of clobber is Jim wearing
Agents works for the benefit of players as they call it. So let the players pay the agent from their money NOT THE CLUB.
This will balance things even.
Still 10% is too much.
It should be 2-5% max as those agents doesn’t contribute anything to the game at all.
This will open up the number of clubs after Haaland now since Mino can’t demand 30-40mil.
The agents the leeches that they're, will find another to get the payments from clubs disguised in other ways ..
So, does this mean Mino Raiola will try to force a transfer move from Dortmund for Haaland this January, before these new regulations are due to come into force, or else risking millions of extra commissions for himself?
Great question
Putting his fees above Halaand career is not a good look
@@footballequalslife7452 I doubt Mino Raiola cares tbh.
@@temporaryuseraccount0012 yh but Halaand and his people are not stupid. Riola must be an agent that puts his clients first to have these big clients
@@footballequalslife7452 Riola is “his people”
Agents are killing football
I'd use an ilness word, but it's not the right time in the morning! (speaking about agents!) Jordan = Class!
So, Jordan doesn’t like Jonathan Barnett. Who else? Come on spill beans!
there is a solution to this lets the players pay for them
The clubs pay the fees because they can.
The clubs can pay the money because fans hand it over (directly and via TV rights).
Think of it like taxes. Clubs tax fans annually, just for loving the club, and the clubs then spend that tax as badly as any government.
And if the clubs have to pay more who do you think takes a hit. The fans
Why has this taken so long. FIFA "on the ball " again. Bring it on
Football should make sure that there will not be any more agents like Raiola comes that man has way too power which clubs can sign his clients who can not and he decided were his clients end up playing and not his players
Simon this attitude about agents, even though you're morally correct, cost us (Palace) Tim Cahill when we got relegated in 04/05. We were relegated by a tiny margin and surely had you let it go and purchased him then we'd have probably stayed up
And you'd be much richer today
alot of what ifs, zero actual facts.
@@xNSHD the FACTS are that Jordan refused to buy Cahill because he refused to pay an agent
I like the guy and think he was a decent owner but there should've been a compromise in this
@@TeamOfThe80s OK ye but you are insinuating like its a fact that if cahill had been bought you would have stayed up yet there is zero way of knowing that.
You would have still gone down
@@Jack-qv5ru possible, but doubtful, given how well Cahill did at Everton and the tiny margin we went down by
that agent who txted in first is a clown.. wonder would he spew his bs opinions in public
Do players really need agents? If they are that sought after surely they can negotiate their own contracts i.e. KDB. If not hire someone who has your best interests at heart like a family member or friend. Saying that it didn't work out well for Harry Kane...😐
Teach raiola a lesson
What are your thoughts on agents? 🤔
What about Jerry Maguire he's awesome!
Its a free for all to take the fans money
Love Simon Jordan
Agents are like leeches.sucking off the players .undeservedly
Be an agent in another industry, you mean real estate?
Parasites of football. All over the world greedy greedy people.
Governance is required when millions of pounds involved, anyone opposed has something to hide and money to lose.
Did he even mention Raiola or did I miss it? 😂
probably he was thinking raiola when he said "terrorist"
This will shut the door on scum bags, we all know who I’m taking about, who literally moves players around clubs to make an utter fortune and sets the players against the club through the media. Best football news in years
I agree agents, kneeling, flu jabs, alphabet police; just suck money out of the game. Its a sport not a place for politics.
The premier league has a thing for political statements nowadays, having black players stomp the yard game in and game out is apparently not enough of a message to racists trash, you can’t fix some people we have to accept that
Well, football clubs were so amazing at reducing racism at clubs.....
As for alphabet police, your bigotry is showing Ben.... yawn. Find peace in your life. The hate and outrage in you must be overwhelming.
You comparing agents to kneeling about stopping racism? Obviously you are truly affected by neither if both upset you the same.
WHATS THAT 'REPRESENTING ONE-SIDE IN THE TRANSACTION' BIT ABOUT, THAT SIMON MENTIONED?!
There is only a transaction between the club and the agent. The player doesn’t pay his agent.
So in any transfer, for example. There are 2 parties.
The Player & The Club.
The Agent isn’t Representing the club and has no interest in the clubs benefit, just taking £££ out their pocket. So is only representing the player.
@@liamfirkin2145 WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. FIRKIN ... TRULY HELPED ME UNDERSTAND, A LITTLE MORE! I COULD SEE WHAT SIMON WAS SAYING ABOUT THE AGENT'S MOTIVATIONS & ACTION'S HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON CLUBS (@ FOOTBALL). JUST COULD'NT CORRELATE THAT BETWEEN THE REPRESENTING ONE-SIDE COMMENT, YOUR REPLY HAS HELPED ME JOIN-THE-DOTS! ✌
Agents are scum they don't always get there players the best move for the player. Just the transfer that is best for the agent
Single fingers…
Agents are in place to protect their players, and own interests. Players that generally have no protection.
Then let the players pay for the bastards themselves if they provide such good value.
@@Luminoth-il1yt They often get paid a percentage of the deal no?
the players the commodity. Agents are lucky to have them, and may not have made any money from several players for years. Jordan's a typical owner, everyone knows you make no money in footy as an owner and clowns still buy clubs and complain about money.
@@laithb1578 and chairman love exploiting players by underpaying players back onto long contracts
@@philwill0123 exactly.
Simon is but hurt that he couldn’t fool these agents into seeing things his way ie; let him do what ever he wanted/pay what ever he wanted. There is nothing wrong with agents; they are employed by the players and do what they ask/needed them to do. Agents do what people like simon hate:provide another opportunity to gain knowledge
If players employ them why dont they pay them? Making a club pay them is no different to extortion...
@@notfirstyourlast players pay them through the deal that is done between them and the club. The club is under no legal obligation to pay anyone.
- The payment of the agent will always be part of the actual deal being done.
@@registame2878 what? Lol . Legal obligation? Haha. There is no legal obligation which is exactly why the players tell the agents to let rip with fees as they know there is no law prohibiting the agent being paid extortionate amounts of money. Read up on transfers...
@@notfirstyourlast thanks for the insight; I will read up even more on transfers. What exactly have you read up on transfers to solidify your opinions on them?
- you do know all theses football clubs in the premier league could vote on issues like this outlawing them. Has your reading helped you figure out why they don’t?
@@registame2878 your welcome. Whatever you have read is clearly a terrible source because its common knowledge that clubs pay the agent, surely your not arguing this? Lol. They dont "have" to pay is like saying they dont have to sign the player. If EPL clubs vote to cap fees it would give foreighn leagues a competitive advantage....thats why they dont. Regulations like this have to be brought down governing body, FIFA.
People are some haters fr, people are so jealous of others making money. I agree football players should pay their agents, football agents are so much better now then they were before, these players are taken care of way better especially for long term investments for players. Players before would get ripped off, believe or not agents are better for football players 🤷🏿♂️
Hey Raiola! How goes mate?
there is no place in the game for money driven agents..they are a blight nothing but, sadly fifa is more corrupt and until they are put in their place nothing will change
Brilliant as always Simon . . . . Whiter must love having you on, it makes him look good, he's crap
find me a better pundit on the wider game than this guy
Totally agree
Simon top clobber 👍👍
Simone Jordon would be an agent in a heart beat if he wasn't such a clampet
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Zen Master Jordan
LiVARpool - break Transfer World Records
LiVARpool - but look at our Net Spend
LiVARpool - paid highest hidden Agent Fees
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