I disagree with at least half of this tier list. Just proves, that tier lists are individual stuff mostly. Revenant (S/A) Vauban(A/B) Limbo(solid A) Garuda(S/A) Nekros(solid A) Excalibur/Umbra(solid B, have potential for A) and so on. Let's take for example Excal. He may not Excel in some types of missions, like defence, but, other missions are going exactly smooth with him, if you have right build for a job, or just going your everyday build. Damage He got this. While he can't annihilate rooms in seconds, he still put anything in front of him through blender (except some bosses, that have small, time limited spots like Lefantis) being it normal or SP. Survivability His 2nd ability is far from ONLY thing, that saves him. In right hands ALL his kit can be used to keep him alive. For example his 1st. Sadly, only your health is invulnerable during cast, and i heard sometimes you can be oneshooted at the end of animation (which I haven't experienced even once tho), even then, it's a good tool to pull you out of dangerous situations. His 2nd. Bread and butter for control/damage boost/oh shit button. Nothing much to say anymore. 3rd, Javelins. With augment, it can be used not only as damage boost, but as a small crowd control ability. And finally his ultimate. His slides creates mini 2nd, and if you're playing from health and armour, can be used as a great tool for Healing Return. All of that, without Helminth, Arcanes, Shards and even primers. I pressed a like tho, you still made a good video. Good luck, and have a nice day! =)
I think you're underestimating mirage's power. Her 1 basically creates a firing squad, which for some weapons extends your damaging covering from anything in your crosshair to a third of your screen. Your 3, while being subsumable to other warframes, loses almost half it's buffing power if you do so. Having two innate damage abilities opens the posibility of using your subsume for purely defensive reasons. Abilities like pillage, while giving an absurd quantity of shields, also strip almost 100% of enemy armor on mirage, since she is built with full strength and duration. You can also abuse shieldgating with abilities like smite, which dont count as a damage buffing ability if you have the augment equiped, and have a fast casting in its press form, letting you abuse shieldgating with augur mods and use two powerful damage buff abilities, that also affect your clones (eclipse only affects your clones with total eclipse). If you want to go for full damage, you can use grendel's ability, which also buffs your damage without needing an extra mod slot to do so, this, on weapons like a fire tenet arca plasmor let you deal corrosive, viral, heat and radiation damage while clearing entire rooms with each shot. Her passive, while one of the worst of the game, still is useful since if lets you activate rolling guard faster or abuse the innate damage reduction rolls have, and with enough skill, allows you to hyper-armor AoE weapon staggers (this is not unique to mirage).
@@semtexagon i dont get how vex armor is better, being that it's additive, compared to eclipse, which is multiplicative, therefore working better with dmg mods and other buffs. Also take in mind that mirage covers a greater area with her damage, which is better 99% of the time since there are only a few times in the game where single target is required as opposed to AoE
@@semtexagon but if you run the augment for more damage....chroma got hit hard with no self damage whereas mirage is just press 2 buttons and boom damage
@@carlo8140 You clearly don't know how to use chroma. When you use chroma you take off mods that increase the base damage because his buff SPECIFICALLY increases the base damage itself. This allows you to add on more elemental mods, more utility, etc. in the 2-3 slots you were using for this. It makes it VERY easy to stick some crit buffing mods or hunters massively increasing your damage. You seriously need to understand how to use things before you speak.
90% of the cast: relies on DR or constant shield gating to live, and without the latter or a slipup or anything, instant death Revenant: presses 2, becomes genuinely invincible (nothing can kill you, seriously) for up to 30 seconds depending how many stacks you have this guy: B tier like man, you don't at all need to rely on abilities to kill things, incarnon weapons will kill faster and more efficiently than most abilities in the game anyway, so free, easy, and no-build-required 100% DR is enough to put him into A or even S.
I agree, he basically makes the game child's play because he simply never dies. That means it all just comes down to how good your weapon is and you can mod weapons to take on level 9999 enemies so since he doesn't die he is practically the best in the game when it comes to endurance missions.
@@semtexagon Not exactly sure how or why you are comparing voruna and Garuda because they play completely differently, but if it’s because of their ability to generate energy easily, I’d argue Garuda does that better than any other warframe in the game. You literally just have to press 3. Voruna is also pretty much entirely melee focused whereas Garuda caters to any weapon with her passive and her ability to force slash for any damage instance with her 4. Her 4+1 combo is one of the strongest nukes in game and scales infinitely, and you can even add breach surge to that for even more scaling damage. Sure, she has slow casting speed, but that’s easily fixed with shards, natural talent or even Madurai. And her survivability is S tier as she can abuse shield gating so easily. Just slap on brief respite and molt reconstruct and you have an infinite health, energy, and shield loop with tons of s. She’s really good for the majority of missions and tasks in game.
@@LFiles48 Yea again this comparison is apples to oranges, they focus on accomplishing different things. And Garuda is more versatile anyways when it comes to her kit, playstyle, and helminth synergies.
Just came back after years, used him for 2 missions and thought "Oh okay, he has i-frames, he basically doesn't die, what else does he do? Nothing? Okay :( You can't even really subsume anything because all his abilities are kinda bad and just replacing stuff isn't gonna work out.
Man, some of those opinions are really weird. Edit: About Revenant, Roar instead of Enthrall makes for a great weapons platform frame. Basically a better Rhino, and his passive makes for easy headshots. Sure the damage increase is lessened in the helminth, but tbh, with a good weapon you can still one shot steel path enemies, and that's all that matters. Also Reave is great for launching you through the map in Jupiter missions, or as a panic button.
Naw you take helminth nyx mind control over his 4, and run thrall pact. Gain a ton of dmg per thrall and have a enthralled mind controlled target that constantly enthralls others to keep damage up.
1 with his 3 one shot everything in the game with enough power strength and his 2 makes him unkillable and his 4 is a open helmenth slot. Most broken frame in the game except for maybe octavia
If you bring someone down cause they’re main ability can be subsumed, then you have to factor in subsumed abilities into other warframes, you brought mirage down cause eclipse is subsumable, then Nekros because he doesn’t have a damage buff
This is why tier lists are a joke to me smh lol,I have zero complaints using Lavos,his only job is to prime enemies with status effects in ways that make them easier to kill,if they happen to die then cool,as for his abilities not being spammable...if you feel the need to spam his abilities in particular it's because you aren't planning ahead and placing them for maximum effect,and he has no energy,so Leech eximus units are less troublesome. Lavos is not for those who want to shut their brains off when playing the game.Obvious A tier.
I don't think you gave Lavos a fair shot. He's a fairly solid frame: Helminth should always be over 2 because you're likely using a viral stacking weapon to begin with- no need to access any Cold element combo. Use Sickening Pulse to exponentially tweak things like Heat's status damage. I prefer using Cedo (or if I want to use another primary, Epitaph) for priming enemies. Swift Bite is necessary so that Lavos effectively has zero cooldowns. 3 will take 4 off of its 30s cooldown pretty much immediately. Using 1 properly will take 3 off cd, and then you can use 3 again to repeat the loop. It's more active of a play style than most frames, but it does make Lavos more engaging to play as a result, which I see as a win. The only problems Lavos has is that 1. This setup takes time to trigger and thus has less value on lower level missions (his 4 can outright kill non sp enemies up to nearly 55m away with range mods), and 2. priming enemies for your 4 also makes your squad capable of killing them in one hit or less. ...But a frame capable of dealing millions of damage without even firing a gun? Solid B.
Ember is a great nuke frame. You just run her with a primer like the epitaph, strip armor, press 4, and watch everything burn to death. Anything that doesn't immediately die, you press 4 again, stack a bunch of heat procs and watch the damage scale up. Heat damage is great after the rework, it stacks linearly and unlimitedly, you just keep stacking up damage and refresh procs with your 4 or a weapon. This makes her have uncapped scaling damage; for your basic steel path enemies, say 120-200 its a breeze, you're doing 50,000 dps after priming enemies and casting 4 a couple times, running a simple build with 140% strength and archon vitality. I didn't even mention her passive which gives you 5% extra ability strength for every enemy that is on fire, further increasing her damage scaling. C tier is kind of a joke, doesn't seem like you really experimented with her build potential. The rework was great she went from a lazy low level frame to a solid nuke that scales. Edit: The content creator says, "I dont think pressing the button a few times and great nuke belong in the same sentence." Please explain Saryn then mate...one of the best damage dealing frames in the game.
Yeah the heat proc rework sure was great but you give way too much credit to ember for it. Now if heat got its rework and we kept old ember then that would actually be good but instead we have people justifying a half impact damage line of sight version of thermal sunder. She was only low level back then because armor strip was inaccessible and several times stronger before. The shitty version of overheat coming back was the final nail/straw/insult for me and forced punishment mechanics are only cool if the power it balances against is overpowered. Gauss caster build beats ember in every single way.
@@semtexagon so waiting for corrosive procs to stack isn't a great nuke? Cause that invalidates saryn and she is a renowned nuke. You spam 1 with saryn a couple times, you spam 4 with ember. I think pressing an ability a couple times that takes under a second to cast doesn't discredit huge dps from status procs. I'm just sharing my opinion.
@@hothstorm I understand why people dislike overheat, but when it starts to ramp very high you're just casting more which= more full armor stripping. The energy economy is great right now with things like arcane energize, deathcube, exothermic augment mod, etc.This allows you to spam abilities more. I get how it can get annoying to maintain the gauge but I actually like it, It makes it more engaging imo.
@@XxBomber37xX Normal people like not having to micromanage their own survival. Thats like, the whole point of using survival abilities instead of resorting to shield gating. It does the thing its designed to do badly. I respect that you like it like that but it doesnt suprise me that your views are unconventional when you described WoF as "lazy" and enjoy button mashing her new 4. However the reasons why its not as expensive as it could be dont really help it to not be worse than old overheat, or WoF, or thermal sunder.
it weird seeing you not mentioning the fact Gauss Thermal Sunder group up enemy and also armor strip them, his Kinetic Plating also make him have 100% knockdown resist and even as someone that use Mesa a lot on a daily basis i cannot see her being above A also Rev in B is just weird specially with how long his part is because all problem you have with him are not actual problem in actual practice and by just knowing how to use him after 30 min, it make me laugh tbh and kind of thought this part is trolling, i do not use him often but he is just way too good to be in B i would have slam my head in the wall if not for the fact this is a subjective list tbh
I feel bad for Garuda and Rev - like how can Garuda be on the same Tier as Oberon. Or Rev on the same Tier as Atlas. As someone already wrote to each their own, just found this super weird. The weirdest shit is comparing Garuda to Voruna, even rimes a bit. But what ever, not even waste any thought on it. Other than this I am NOT one of those roast guys, rest is somewhat ok I guess. Tierlist might be always subjective and blablabla but this one is pretty rough. Anyway hope you had fun making it, now this is what counts the most.
Garuda and Voruna Both have: forced 100% bleed procs. relay on iFrames and shield gating. Has limitless energy. Voruna has: invisibility. build in crit multi. Complete immunity to CC and status effects from her passive. the best priming tool in the game. her healing and energy is shared with the team. Garuda has: A directional shield.
@@semtexagon garuda's forced slash is not like voruna's. garuda's slash proc from her 4 has no cap on it. The dmg you deals are converted to slash proc. If you hit an enemy with 1 mil dmg its will be 1mil /3 + viral bonus damage that ignores armor. While voruna's slash on her 4 is based on her str and her 4's kill multiplier that has way less potential
@@semtexagon im sorry but you dont know what garuda have at all. Saying her having just the shield is like saying voruna only have a parkour speed pasive. Garuda passive gives 100% dmg multiplier, 1 dmg is uncapped with i ftames on leap and a shield that capture damage to turn into big slash proc later. 2 is a subsume slot. her 3 is infinite energy, status clense, and her 4 gives cc, s on casting, clear fodder with no los check, limitiless slash potential. Tbh if that shield you are shitting on is omnidirectional it would be overpowered since she could just cast it once for even more captured damage
@@semtexagon Garuda has a directional shield that makes you immune to knockdown, the energy regen ability removes status effects. Garuda's passive is Rhino Roar subsume with 330% ability strength and there is no way you can even compare slash procs from garuda's marks to voruna. They make her the strongest weapon platform in the entire game as any weapon can 100% slash proc. Any zaw with exodia contagion becomes a glaive prime with 10x damage. Combining 4 with breach surge allows you to reach damage cap, you don't even need to use weapons anymore except for eximus. Who needs to prime enemies when you deal billion damage slash procs? Lastly Garuda also shares healing with the team as you either use Gloom which applies to your teammates too or molt reconstruct which heals you and your allies to full hp whenever you cast an ability. You should have compared Garuda with Styanax instead as their kits are basically the same except for the fact styanax is literal dogshit when you compare the two and since you put Sty in A garuda belongs above S.
Xaku C??? are you insane the the easiest braindead gameplay ever basically does what protea does without having to press 2 in every single room you walk in
So no one gonna say why xaku is in C tier when he can only be the one that survive until the max level cap in steel path easily with his broken armor and lowest hp in the game
As someone that picked chroma at the beggining, i feel you put him too high, his tankiness is pretty meh compared with other tanks, suffers from nullify since he has to build stacks (and its even worse if you tried to build damage stacks from colds) , and his credit thing is only useful in profit taker, that put him at best in b/c.
@@semtexagon the vex armor ones? The stacks that you generate depending on how many shield/health points you lost, and the damage Buff only works by getting hit on your health, so it's pretty annoying to lose them since you know, it's not an amazing thing to have to get hits on red health.
@@leavemebevidsarecrappy9039 same, i used him for everything when i started and i have a spot for him for being an amazing starter frame, but after that you have 2 abilities that have meh tankiness, a somewhat decent damage buff behind an annoying condition, other effects that arent anything crazy, and 2 death slots, like, once i started using other frames, chroma was awful to play, i hoped they rework him except for his x2 credit on ult.
@@santiagorodriguez6686 Def, I usually use xata's over his 3rd because I hit armor cap with cold ward, but during PT i replace the first with gloom bc im to lazy to watch 2 abilities
I personally, i don't quite understand your picks on multiple of the lower end frames (ember, gara, sevagoth...) and using helminth as an exquise to say "it's a powerful ability but other use it better" is unfair and feels lazy, since the frames still benefit from their ability a lot. But what strikes me the most is the fact you put Lavos in trash tier, let me elaborate: 1. Access to any element and procs and the ability to extend the procs by using ability duration plus his 2nd deploys ponds that put a crap ton of statuses on the enemy 2. The ability to create universal orbs and ammo packs with his 3rd 3. Total status immunity after energy pick up 4. Very strong and scalable damage ability with his 4th ability 5. Self heal 6. When paired up with the Cedo, the time to kill with his 4th skyrockets 7. Self heal + passive + huge armor = good tankiness True not being able to spam his abilities does hold his potential back but he can make up for it with the cooldown reduction and the above mentioned points Therefore I believe he is at least A tier and ony personal list even S tier
1: The Cedo exists 2: Equilibrium 3: inconsistency will get you killed. 4: It doesn’t scale. 5: inconsistency will get you killed. 6: It’s on a cooldown, that the point, there is a hard cap on how often you can use it. 7: When you complete the star chart you unlock the Steel path where the enemies actually start dealing damage to you.
@@semtexagon 1. Equilibrium is a good mod but how often do you run it? 2. It's still effective 3.over a 1000 armor with a huge health pool and a self heal with a non existent cooldown and adaptation, does make him hard to kill. True the cooldowns do seems quite questionable in comparison to nuke abilities of other frames but he can still do a big chunk of content With all respect to your opinion but I believe he belongs higher on the tier list
@@fyre-fly-pl5192 1000 armor doesn't mean jack to high level enemies. . . If an enemy is outputting 100000 damage and lets say you have 90% damage reduction just for the sake of it, you're still taking 1000 damage, aka, you're probably dead unless you are inaros. Why would I play that over Chroma anyway who can easily get over 3k armor? What even is this point?
"Not being able to 1 shot eximus is a disaster" is the most blatant attempt to justify a personal bias ive ever heard. Protea is a 3rd rate railjack pilot behind hildryn, lavos, and harrow. You never actually justified putting garuda in C tier you just refrenced it when mentioning valkyr who you also didnt explain well. Guess thats more than limbo got but wtf is up with the jank edit?
Bro I like protea, but her W scales pretty horribly into higher tier content but she makes sub steel path content a cake walk. Protea is mostly used to be subsumed so other frames have infinite energy. She's a good frame, don't get me wrong, but she's not great for high level content but like many she can do pretty much everything else.
You‘re sleeping on Ember just like most of the community. With certain helminths like 5 or so, she is an absolute monster, immolation = DR, armor strip for fire blast, fire blast = knockdowns and strips armor obviously (very great range), absolutely AMAZING for shield gating and also synergizes very well with Gloom making the knockback last decades, Inferno = exothermic giving ember infinite energy most of the time, setting enemies on fire to have her passive at 100% more ability strength 90% of the time in survival SP missions, inferno is also great to use as a mini armor strip, since it obviously proccs heat. Inferno is a mini saryn while the rest of her kit has a use if pairing inferno up with heat inherant primers and armor stripping allowing you to press 4 to win in SP easily. Ember possesses every necessary thing needed for a A or higher tier frame and if you can‘t agree you never looked into ember much. She has Armor stripping, great AoE, amazing CC, (with Gloom slow and life steal), combining Helminths like Gauss‘s, Gloom, Pillage, Terrify, Defy the list goes on. Makes Ember amazing, now if this tier list doesn‘t include Helminth I can see her being B tier, but if it does include Helminth synergies shes at LEAST mid A tier or higher.
Limbo in the same tier with Excalibur? 💀 Limbo have defensive, offensive (augment can do 2000% to 6000% damage buff in SP), CC and support abilitys that works perfect in a 9999 lvl scenario. Excalibur just have the sword. I mean yeah can do good damage with melees but not even close to what Limbo can do.
Larvos isn't trash I'll say C-B i get his cooldown system is ass but he can still become tanking and melt through an entire room. Hydroid is my favorite frame but devs hate water frames and my boy will probably never be touched again. He can easily be reworked if they truly thought about it.
Also, just to repeat myself: Lavos is high C maybe Low B if in terms of power, but I put him in trash tier because like the other warframes there, he's design is fundamentally broken.
@@semtexagon I'd give lavos a high B, he is unique, and he benefits off of anything that gives status procs. He can make any element on the fly and the cooldowns aren't bad
lol I think tier list videos just really show how every warframe can be S tier in some way, or at the very least considered good. Pretty much anything is viable if you're willing to put enough effort into a build or particularly enjoy the way it plays in combination with specific weapons/subsume abilities, and it's just a matter of preference over meta in 9 out of 10 cases.
Wukong B tier💀 1st ability if you use it on an enemy then he gets increased damage and accuracy 2nd ability not needing to explain 3rd ability you say u cant move but thats cap u can move while getting armor and its useful 4th is alright A at worst
Melee combat is one of my favorite things in the game which was one of the main reasons I want Voruna and to main her, sadly I'm just coming back to the game and far away from having the ability to farm her
The problem is that u rate Warframes against other warframes rather than how they do against content. Ur tier list is full of bias and clear lack of experience. Good try though.
I mean ….. watch ur video and look for the things I said. Did u rate a frame based on another frame? Did u personally take a frame into the relevant content in warframe and test its performance? Do u have criteria for ur ranks or is it totally subjective, meaning u like a frame and its play style so it is rank x?
.... I get why people use revenant as a damage frame because he can literally 1 shot enemies but that's not really what he's designed for. The thralls are meant to stay alive to pull aggro, and his reave is an oh shit button/heal. Rev is (in my opinion) supposed to be played as a tank with his mesmer skin, and cc with his thralls. Damage is not his strong suit and it was never meant to be
Since when has "meant to be" ever mattered in this game. We have an entire meta based on a mechanic that involves equipping what was intended to be debuff in order to make squishy frames tanky. What things are "meant to be" means fuck all. Time and time again players find and abuse niche synergies to their advantage. If it works it works until it inevitably gets nerfed.
Uhuh, this tierlist is like really strange, I disagree with alot of stuff, but I would just say how much I disagree with Nidus being B tier. This guy can easily take down steel path, and I'm not even talking about his Teeming Virulence builds. Well, I still respect your opinions, here, have a like, interesting playlist
I'm so happy you didn't call rhino meta lol. I see SO MANY people call him "meta" and how he will "always be meta"... Like, no. Rhino is NOT meta, he is just viable. He is viable and will always be viable because of what his kit is but he is NOT meta and never will be. Maybe waaaay back when there was extremely fewer frames he might have been meta at some point, but not today. People needa learn the difference between viable and meta.
@@noahedenborg4221 the majority of what I've seen just call him meta for existing because of how versatile he can be. Tanking? He does it, damage buffing? He does it, crowd control? He does it. He has a bit of multiple things which can be amplified even more with hemlith. Imo he isn't "meta" at any of it though, he's just viable.
Trash is a harsh category...during my leveling in low to mid tiers, I enjoyed Hydroid and Inaros...they can stay at the bottom but not trash..Hydroid has an amazing pirate deluxe skin also, which can matter a lot in WF fashion endgame...I don't play Vauban, but he deserves better than trash
You can enjoy whatever you want but keep that participation prize mentality out of it. This is a tier list video ffs and saying all warframes are beautiful in spirit or whatever is just being dishonest with yourself.
I'm sorry bro, I have what, 5-6 formas into hydriod? It's not even that you can just use someone else, his damage is objectively, trash tier. The only mission I've ever found him remotely useful on is interceptions because he can puddle and enemies get caught then stop spawning while in the puddle. He doesn't do jack else since he can't tank jack and he sure as hell doesn't do damage. Edit: And if they tripled his damage he would still be trash tier FYI, that's how bad he is. The tentacles, at best, do 3k damage. Why even use him when nekros exists and his shadows can kill things if you build for it?
Limbo B tier not bc out of spite. seeing him in B tier is probably the most common mistake that everyone make until you realise that it can obliterate level cap with a snap with the only thing threatning him is the ability of eximus, ONLY the ability wich is easy to dodge and rolling guard exist (even in the rift stasis affect their shot so yes they can move they can act and all but shooting does nothing) Infinite energy, can be share with other Scaling depending on your build weapon include (to good scaling up to infinite) Potential Rly good heal with his augment wich work on some defense Probably one of the best for anything related to defending something One of the best survivability aka being in an other plan of existence and can share it In solo he do everything EXCEPT assassination and some specifique excpetion Only issue left are accolyte, exodia and they disapear And if you have a friend who play with something like mesa or protea they will love you when you make them realise they now only need to press one or two button and not worry about a thing since survivability with ability, mod, that weird shield gating thing, etc is meaningless when you are in a reality ahead of your ennemy and warframe ability ignore the rift Oh also limbo cheat and can have two damage boosting ability Overhaul the tier list is like a 50/50 except for the top tier
@@sproutdood She went straight into garbage tier on release, and now she is just barely climbing out of garbage tier after getting two reworks. Surely worth the development time.
Okay nice at se en dansker men altså med de nye archon shards kan du så ikke opgradere Calibans fjerde ability til at være instant cast? Det ville være sjovt at se!
Man what Mirage B tier just because her eclipse can be subsumed. Nah she still high tier one of the best damage frames. Just overly squishy compared to every other frame. Give her another rework with her clones being able to refresh and her eclipse choice based (all light or all dark) and she's topping damn near every frame. Without subsuming.
Lavos is a trash?? I literally do every railjack mission by lavos. Inaros is super good for hijack and vauban can do constant enemies control. There is no meaning to do this your own opinion tier list thing. Actually every warframe has its own usefulness. For your s tier, those warframes indeed capable do most missions, which does not mean they are superior than others.
Revenant is really weird and nobody understands him. Hes sometimes boring sometimes clunky but also insane tank to the point he deteles difficulty where survival matters in normal conditions. Also there is a cap of all thralls: 7. Anything more is a bug, idk ifltmer stupid pets form summoners count as bug or feature anymore but dont all summon/convert abilities have that issue? I wish his ult wasn't so situational and we got like augment thar turns it into wisp ult so I can use it for something else than lawnmowing low levels effectively.
@@semtexagon 3 things that makes nourish good on garuda is dmg buff, always good, viral buff made her 4 applies viral which help the slash procs and the energy multiplier let her go negative efficiency which helps with shield gating just throw a nat talent brief respite and augur message + dragon key and you can 1 tap any ability for full shield, health is no problem too since molt reconstruct heals scale well woth negatice efficiency. With this builds you can tap nourish on 2 for 25 sec buffs + 90 shield restored (thats 20 to spare from max shield with dragonkey) for fast shieldgate or tap 4 for more shied and health and cc from the mark but a bit slower to cast
And its shorten her time to kill significantly. I used to do two 1 tap then one 4 tap then release a charged 1. Now with nourish dmg viral buf its just tap for tap 1 and release one for even more damages than before
sure, nullifiers can screw gara pretty badly, but dont forget its the corpus. you can eat shields easily regardless. where it could be an issue is in the void or lua, but the solution is using a fast firing weapon or long range melee and the nullifiers are no problem. but another note is you can play her as a melee\CO frame (cause glass counts as a status) frame, a nuker, a support. she's extremly versatile and can do pretty much any content in the game. better than other frames? depends, she wont beat a volt on eidolon, but she can compete with other DPS frames in other mission types. i'd say A or S make more sense due to how versatile she is (i dare even say she's a better starter frame than Rhino).
She is not exactly easy to get for a new player. But also whatever counter you bring for nulls might work 199/200 times. This just means that the run ends on the two hundredth spawn of a null. With that being said, I didn't fully consider her support implications so I suppose that I could put her in A tier. But S tier is for broken frames and she is just really good.
@@hothstorm i'd need to test that, but i hadn't noticed much difference as enemies affected by mass vitrify takes way more damage than usual from melees, guns and abilities.
update: it does block status if they werent applied already, but still do good damage to glassed enemies due to their debuff, this is affected by power strength.
Xaku being c tier is disgusting how in the hell is rhino above him lmao, I used to main rhino for years but now main Xaku and I’m surprised you put rhino above him.
@@semtexagon when enemies are level capped rhino’s defense is laughable, in lower tier mission levels defense isn’t needed, only thing rhino has on Xaku is a damage buff. Xaku’s offense plays as a much better defense cus of better crowd control. I’ve played both immensely, it’s your opinion but it’s wrong.
@Semtexagon what, that little shield they have that can get one shotted easily? 🤣 lmao yall want these warframe too kill enemies but you do that with guns and procs, no need to trash a frame for not having some sort of buffuling ability if that even is a word
@@thaboiiishere8005 great for u. Maybe u are different breed bcuz other popular WF content creators as well as alot WF player also think the same as SemTexagon about vauban without helminth.
Nice video as always, can I get ur guys opinions I'm looking to take a frame in for solo endurance surv runs just wanting ur guys opinions on the best frames for this (excluding octavia please as very bored of her haha) cheers
Kinda shitty he placed Vauban so low because he was getting his cheeks spread my eximus units. You literally just have to move around and shoot them before they become a problem… Vauban provides infinite armor strip, tons of CC and hits like a truck with scaling damage, throw proteas dispensary on him and you have perfect frame for defending.
@@semtexagon 👁️👄👁️💫 yes, I understand how armor works, but I’m not understanding what the purpose of your reply is… I didn’t say anything about armor besides Vauban’s ability to strip it… Please make sense if you decide to reply again 😘
@@Nosbuiq Somewhat yes because it only affects enemies that are actually sucked in or captured. He is great for moderate missions but not for steel path. He is a glass cannon without the damage to back it up. He can do everything else though, survival, defense, etc. but while he's great at that he clearly has issues such as dealing with those CEOs. That all said and done, for most of the games content he is fine, but he's garbo at everything else. Also since you tend to sacrifice strength when playing him his armor stripping is even worse, something like 8% a second and there are plenty of ways to strip armor as is so that's not even a plus and they nerfed armor in general.
...what the heck man? Valkery is at least mid B tier, high survivability, ridiculous melee damage, and moderate CC, plus cheap and easy kit that's synergistic. Yes, she's not fast, but speed is a low requirement for any mission except farming, and speed trials. Now i do understand you grid with her range, however everything in her kit screams single target obliteration (boss, elites, and small groups). Every warframe in the game doesn't need to blow up the entire room of enemies to be great.
@@semtexagonweak? really, u say? Well its OK, I proved facts that's no less true, personal preference is the root of bias and opinions. And u obviously don't prefer valkery, thus used her less, and exactly for the reasons I stated. No worries, I understand, I stated my perspective.
Titania is actually better than most on the Steel path, since she has near top tier single target DPS which translates well to mobs of enemies. Just most players don't know how to build for her. She is more S tier than some S tier frames.
kinda agree that she's underrated for a lot of content, if i were to play 1 frame for a month for instance, she'd be one of my top picks due to flexibility, even though she only really "excels" at one thing. That said, maybe for different reasons but I'd still have her in high A tier rather than S. Just to further clarify what i meant by "different reasons", baruuk much as I think he's a fun frame to play, that he just demands high enemy density to be anything other than a moderately tanky guy that shoots a gun, puts him at B maximum, even if he's S+ in survival.
It’s funny you said Harrow had one of the most confusing kits in the game 😂 he’s my go to in most missions He’s a great support frame if done right but with my build, I’m either getting everyone to have unlimited health and energy or I’m trash… All it requires to be the goat is being able to get kills, if a teammate is just nuking the map then he is pretty trash in effectiveness Edit: I disagree with Xaku, with 3 forms, he’s still broken op on steel path and is arguably of the best focus farming frames in the game.
@@jacobwilliams1356 ok 1 actually doesnt scale of range its affinity range and 2 his 3 YOU need to kill his 4 need you to take dmg which might not happen because enemy either dead or cant shoot
@@noahedenborg4221 I’m a narrow main bro lol MR27 and been playing for almost a decade. I have done extensive testing. My build supports the entire team
Looks like this tierlist is based on warframes with no weapons, companions, arcanes or operator buffs. Vauban in trash tier, really? How did u think it that far? Alright so lemme tell u 1 Tesla nervos are stunning enemies most of the time that gives u more time to cast abilites/endurance capabilty, If ur using melee u can do more dmg with cond overload 2 Overdriver is a direct dmg buff , flachete orb scales with enemy lvl/power strenght and u can get more crits with mutalist quanta if u cast it over them 3 photon strike is shit u change it for tharros strike easy armos strip with 200 power strenght u can go 140 power strenght then go with molt augmented ( u can also push enemies into vortex) 4 for his bastille u use the augment and its great The part where u said oh eximus goes into bastille and then one taps cuz u cant armor strip , thats why u use thraoss strike and u can push him around. even without tharoos strike vauban is still great ur just trying to be diffrent u can also run spectrorage and augment and ur just gonna get more energy and in that case use some melee with a primer? Whats your problem with vauban dude
I Don't know, I can't tell if you’re trolling me. Have you played Warframe, the video game? Eximus enemies have overguard, meaning that they are not lifted by Bastille. not pulled into Vortex or tether coil, -and no- tether coil doesn't stun them at all, and neither does the procs of tesla Nervos. And just to be clear that 1000 Armor is better than nothing but that's it. It will cause you to take less damage, it's just so happens that aforementioned damage is still greater than your total health = You'll still die. And just in case you're new to the game, eventually you will unlock the steel path where the enemies will start actually dealing damage to you.
@@semtexagoni made myself unclear, i know that eximus enemies are not lifted by bastille or pulled into vortex or tether coil. On the other hand if u damage them enough at one point they will start being affected by cc abilites, thats the part where tharros strike comes in clutch. U just use that on eximus or use a weapon to kill the eximus. Agian u can subsume pillage on vauban for shields back and boom u cant die anymore. As since u can cc a whole room with about 1-2 bastilles there are only the eximus to be left and for those u just either use a weapon/melee or use tharros strike to get rid of them shields. Also i didnt unlock steel path but ive had such a life that i actually just went about 2 hours with vauban and that means im going agiasnt lvl 200-300 it may not mean a lot to youtubers that just go into sp and play till they get the 9999lvl enemies. Knightmareframe did run with vauban agianst lvl 9999 with diffrent builds and he didnt have a problem.'
I don't know what the hell they were thinking with embers 2. It should start off using a lot of energy then use less. Having to turn it off is F'in stupid.
Sevagoth for me is Easy A Tier personally. His 1 does radiation damage so easy CC, his two does true damage, combos with his one to easily clear rooms. His three gloom is extremely powerful and yes it does work better on other frames but despite that it still works excellently on Sevagoth. And his shadow is fun and does the brunt of his damage and because of his passive is easily able to survive by constantly resurrecting. Xaku in my opinion is easily the strongest frame, Xaku’s one is basically a worse true damage with an ok proc, Grasp of Lohk scales with enemy level. The Lost is ok but AoE armor Strip is just excellent. And Vast Untime with my build can last for 60 seconds. And because of this I can stack health mods as well and the new Arcane that increases health to get over 2000 hp. Even before the Arcane I am able to survive on the Steel Path super easily. And with void bubble procs Eximus barely become an issue.
@@parker4025 No, just no. As a guy who has more than half his playtime as nekros, just no. To get started, you have to kill enemies, hopefully they don't kill you first, if they do then RIP. Second, you have to upkeep his ult which is expensive to say the least. As for being "tanky" that's only up to a certain extent, certainly not on steel path, especially not with that massive nerf *cough* rework *cough* they did to him years ago. Add that on top of the fact that he is no longer the best loot frame in the game as that position has been taken by a much more useful frame. I just came back to start playing again and as a ex-nekros enjoyer, just no. There's far better things to use.
@@T3BFitnessTripleThreatBoss wrong. In Chinese folklore, Nezha is known as a protection deity and is the third son of Li Jing. He is also known by his title of "Third Lotus Prince",
@@T3BFitnessTripleThreatBoss Technically it/he does, If you've played "The Sacrifice" questline (SPOILERS AHEAD) They explain how the warframes are Dax (the warrior caste of orokin society) that were then infected with the infested. They were extremely strong, but were mindless monsters. However, their extreme resilience made them perfect vessels for the Tenno to do transference with, and they serve as a focusing lens of sorts for our void powers. They then had a metal shell overtop to make them even more formidable warriors. They have genders, because the frames themselves were at some point humans.
lmao gauss has no damage? He has a mass armor strip, elemental damage buff with his augment, melee damage buffs, and an insane 188% fire rate buff. He literally turns some trash weapons into steel path viable options, huge L. You probably get off on this negativity but whatever.
This list is clearly bias lol. This guys bad cause he cant do endless (good for survival), this guys good cause he can do survival (also cant do endless).
mesa is known for not scaling well, and her whole playstyle ends in press this 1 button. yet half of the list is put in lower when their far more engaging, more utility and commonly used for endless due to their scaling ability. You know you skipped passed limbo over the bias lmao. Its fine and all lol shit my main pick is valkyre half the time for legit no good reason i just like her🤷♂️.
equinox dethroned ember pre rework in low level mob clearing just go day time hit 4 and everything that gets close enough just dies from etheir the damage or the slash
My favorite part about these tier lists is how incredibly toxic a lot of people are when they get butthurt that their favorite frame doesn't get picked in the tier they want...its so entertaining reading the salt. I swear the Warframe community has such an elitist gigachad problem.
@@semtexagon well the way I see it is every youtuber needs to make content, and if everyone's tier list is exactly the same then no one is gonna watch the same thing over and over. Everyone has their own opinion on what's good in the game and sure there is objectively good and bad...but some people take it way too seriously and get mega butthurt when their favorite frame isn't like S tier or whatever. Granted the majority of people are pretty cool and are helpful...but man the "but what about this" gets really fucking annoying.
Revenant Is a God. Bro Cant get Any Damage With Mesmer. Abillitys Trash Yes. But Revenant is The BEST Tank Ingame. No Other Frame can Tank Like Revenant.
Chroma has 1 use and 1 use only: to boost credit income from profit taker. Edit: And you couldn't even get Nezha's gender right... Smh.... Nezha is a boy.
as a old ass knowledgeable player, this tier list is hyper odd to many frames (i wont explains because it would be hyper long, almost a word document long), some i agree but other than that its your tier list, so you do you
You don't understand most frames and made a 30 minute video to prove it. For instance: Vaubans 4th strips armor, even from most CC immuned enemies like eximus. CC+killing power of flachettes even of scaled enemies at lv 999.
😂😂😂 if this had a dislike button it ve broken lmao. U say subsume on grendel and u forget all other warframes, like frost and gara their tank guards and with augment mods they are powerful, and a lot more frames
It’s pretty hard to give a tier list that represents the current game now that new(not that new now) synergies with the helminth is a thing and we got arcanes as I outlast a lot of players including revenants in endgame content using excal with gloom among other things but I guess you can put some of that to skill but it really swoon how you build the frame
Even in other youtubers tier lists chroma is at least B tier. He can be A depending on what you are doing with him. Chromas main problem is that he first, has to get damaged to do anything, then his short range to buff allies, then the fact that he moves slow af so you don't use him for speed based missions or nuking content.
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I disagree with at least half of this tier list. Just proves, that tier lists are individual stuff mostly.
Revenant (S/A)
Vauban(A/B)
Limbo(solid A)
Garuda(S/A)
Nekros(solid A)
Excalibur/Umbra(solid B, have potential for A)
and so on.
Let's take for example Excal. He may not Excel in some types of missions, like defence, but, other missions are going exactly smooth with him, if you have right build for a job, or just going your everyday build.
Damage
He got this. While he can't annihilate rooms in seconds, he still put anything in front of him through blender (except some bosses, that have small, time limited spots like Lefantis) being it normal or SP.
Survivability
His 2nd ability is far from ONLY thing, that saves him. In right hands ALL his kit can be used to keep him alive.
For example his 1st. Sadly, only your health is invulnerable during cast, and i heard sometimes you can be oneshooted at the end of animation (which I haven't experienced even once tho), even then, it's a good tool to pull you out of dangerous situations.
His 2nd. Bread and butter for control/damage boost/oh shit button. Nothing much to say anymore.
3rd, Javelins. With augment, it can be used not only as damage boost, but as a small crowd control ability.
And finally his ultimate. His slides creates mini 2nd, and if you're playing from health and armour, can be used as a great tool for Healing Return.
All of that, without Helminth, Arcanes, Shards and even primers.
I pressed a like tho, you still made a good video. Good luck, and have a nice day! =)
I think you're underestimating mirage's power. Her 1 basically creates a firing squad, which for some weapons extends your damaging covering from anything in your crosshair to a third of your screen. Your 3, while being subsumable to other warframes, loses almost half it's buffing power if you do so. Having two innate damage abilities opens the posibility of using your subsume for purely defensive reasons. Abilities like pillage, while giving an absurd quantity of shields, also strip almost 100% of enemy armor on mirage, since she is built with full strength and duration. You can also abuse shieldgating with abilities like smite, which dont count as a damage buffing ability if you have the augment equiped, and have a fast casting in its press form, letting you abuse shieldgating with augur mods and use two powerful damage buff abilities, that also affect your clones (eclipse only affects your clones with total eclipse). If you want to go for full damage, you can use grendel's ability, which also buffs your damage without needing an extra mod slot to do so, this, on weapons like a fire tenet arca plasmor let you deal corrosive, viral, heat and radiation damage while clearing entire rooms with each shot. Her passive, while one of the worst of the game, still is useful since if lets you activate rolling guard faster or abuse the innate damage reduction rolls have, and with enough skill, allows you to hyper-armor AoE weapon staggers (this is not unique to mirage).
And still her damage ends up being worse than chroma in terms of DPS with the build you suggest.
@@semtexagon i dont get how vex armor is better, being that it's additive, compared to eclipse, which is multiplicative, therefore working better with dmg mods and other buffs. Also take in mind that mirage covers a greater area with her damage, which is better 99% of the time since there are only a few times in the game where single target is required as opposed to AoE
@@semtexagon pretty sure dedicated PT runners subsume eclipse over vex armor specifically because its actually better.
@@semtexagon but if you run the augment for more damage....chroma got hit hard with no self damage whereas mirage is just press 2 buttons and boom damage
@@carlo8140
You clearly don't know how to use chroma. When you use chroma you take off mods that increase the base damage because his buff SPECIFICALLY increases the base damage itself. This allows you to add on more elemental mods, more utility, etc. in the 2-3 slots you were using for this. It makes it VERY easy to stick some crit buffing mods or hunters massively increasing your damage. You seriously need to understand how to use things before you speak.
90% of the cast: relies on DR or constant shield gating to live, and without the latter or a slipup or anything, instant death
Revenant: presses 2, becomes genuinely invincible (nothing can kill you, seriously) for up to 30 seconds depending how many stacks you have
this guy: B tier
like man, you don't at all need to rely on abilities to kill things, incarnon weapons will kill faster and more efficiently than most abilities in the game anyway, so free, easy, and no-build-required 100% DR is enough to put him into A or even S.
I agree, he basically makes the game child's play because he simply never dies. That means it all just comes down to how good your weapon is and you can mod weapons to take on level 9999 enemies so since he doesn't die he is practically the best in the game when it comes to endurance missions.
@@Delimon007 I enjoy running Laetum with Airburst subsumed over his 4. It’s really nice.
Garuda in C tier is criminal 💀
I don’t think you understand how powerful she is.
Yea I agree some people don't like pressing more than 1 button. But to each his own opinion.
It basically comes down to: Voruna offer the same, but does it way better.
@@semtexagon Not exactly sure how or why you are comparing voruna and Garuda because they play completely differently, but if it’s because of their ability to generate energy easily, I’d argue Garuda does that better than any other warframe in the game. You literally just have to press 3.
Voruna is also pretty much entirely melee focused whereas Garuda caters to any weapon with her passive and her ability to force slash for any damage instance with her 4. Her 4+1 combo is one of the strongest nukes in game and scales infinitely, and you can even add breach surge to that for even more scaling damage. Sure, she has slow casting speed, but that’s easily fixed with shards, natural talent or even Madurai. And her survivability is S tier as she can abuse shield gating so easily. Just slap on brief respite and molt reconstruct and you have an infinite health, energy, and shield loop with tons of s. She’s really good for the majority of missions and tasks in game.
@@semtexagon I've replayed a bit of Garuda the other day and had the same thought. I like the gameplay, and it kinda works, but Voruna does it better.
@@LFiles48 Yea again this comparison is apples to oranges, they focus on accomplishing different things. And Garuda is more versatile anyways when it comes to her kit, playstyle, and helminth synergies.
Some ppl may disagree but putting Inaros into garbage tier already makes this list somewhat good.
I mean that's easy points, but I'll take.
He's basically one trick pony to stay alive lol
I main inaros it’s pretty easy but ok
Just came back after years, used him for 2 missions and thought "Oh okay, he has i-frames, he basically doesn't die, what else does he do? Nothing? Okay :( You can't even really subsume anything because all his abilities are kinda bad and just replacing stuff isn't gonna work out.
Man, some of those opinions are really weird.
Edit: About Revenant, Roar instead of Enthrall makes for a great weapons platform frame. Basically a better Rhino, and his passive makes for easy headshots. Sure the damage increase is lessened in the helminth, but tbh, with a good weapon you can still one shot steel path enemies, and that's all that matters. Also Reave is great for launching you through the map in Jupiter missions, or as a panic button.
Sure, that's how I rate the 'smoothness' of the these warframes.
@@semtexagon revenant with xata's whisper is really good as well. Easily 1 shot levelcap demolysts
I just put Marked for death for his 4... Mark a enemy, enthrall and then Reave. Everything in the explosion radius is dead
Naw you take helminth nyx mind control over his 4, and run thrall pact. Gain a ton of dmg per thrall and have a enthralled mind controlled target that constantly enthralls others to keep damage up.
1 with his 3 one shot everything in the game with enough power strength and his 2 makes him unkillable and his 4 is a open helmenth slot. Most broken frame in the game except for maybe octavia
If you bring someone down cause they’re main ability can be subsumed, then you have to factor in subsumed abilities into other warframes, you brought mirage down cause eclipse is subsumable, then Nekros because he doesn’t have a damage buff
Yea if Nekros had build in weapon damage then I could subsume a grouping ability onto him.
I disagree, the reason why these frames were brought down is because other frames clearly do what they do better by using their own ability.
This is why tier lists are a joke to me smh lol,I have zero complaints using Lavos,his only job is to prime enemies with status effects in ways that make them easier to kill,if they happen to die then cool,as for his abilities not being spammable...if you feel the need to spam his abilities in particular it's because you aren't planning ahead and placing them for maximum effect,and he has no energy,so Leech eximus units are less troublesome. Lavos is not for those who want to shut their brains off when playing the game.Obvious A tier.
ik its ur opinion but i actually thought u were trolling for a bit
What did you expect a copy paste of Knightmareframe’s tier list?
@@semtexagon yes
Same lol
@@semtexagon i do not like knightmareframe
@@wowo1005 do the words pompous ass come to mind when watching him
I knew this video was a a joke when I saw Xaku in C tier lmao.
Man put wisp at A tier as if she can’t level cap and hit damage cap with most weapons on top of being the best support in the game 💀
Can't hit level cap?
I don't think you gave Lavos a fair shot. He's a fairly solid frame:
Helminth should always be over 2 because you're likely using a viral stacking weapon to begin with- no need to access any Cold element combo. Use Sickening Pulse to exponentially tweak things like Heat's status damage. I prefer using Cedo (or if I want to use another primary, Epitaph) for priming enemies.
Swift Bite is necessary so that Lavos effectively has zero cooldowns. 3 will take 4 off of its 30s cooldown pretty much immediately. Using 1 properly will take 3 off cd, and then you can use 3 again to repeat the loop. It's more active of a play style than most frames, but it does make Lavos more engaging to play as a result, which I see as a win.
The only problems Lavos has is that 1. This setup takes time to trigger and thus has less value on lower level missions (his 4 can outright kill non sp enemies up to nearly 55m away with range mods), and 2. priming enemies for your 4 also makes your squad capable of killing them in one hit or less. ...But a frame capable of dealing millions of damage without even firing a gun? Solid B.
Ember is a great nuke frame. You just run her with a primer like the epitaph, strip armor, press 4, and watch everything burn to death. Anything that doesn't immediately die, you press 4 again, stack a bunch of heat procs and watch the damage scale up. Heat damage is great after the rework, it stacks linearly and unlimitedly, you just keep stacking up damage and refresh procs with your 4 or a weapon. This makes her have uncapped scaling damage; for your basic steel path enemies, say 120-200 its a breeze, you're doing 50,000 dps after priming enemies and casting 4 a couple times, running a simple build with 140% strength and archon vitality. I didn't even mention her passive which gives you 5% extra ability strength for every enemy that is on fire, further increasing her damage scaling. C tier is kind of a joke, doesn't seem like you really experimented with her build potential. The rework was great she went from a lazy low level frame to a solid nuke that scales.
Edit: The content creator says, "I dont think pressing the button a few times and great nuke belong in the same sentence." Please explain Saryn then mate...one of the best damage dealing frames in the game.
I don't think pressing the button a few times and great nuke belong in the same sentence.
Yeah the heat proc rework sure was great but you give way too much credit to ember for it. Now if heat got its rework and we kept old ember then that would actually be good but instead we have people justifying a half impact damage line of sight version of thermal sunder. She was only low level back then because armor strip was inaccessible and several times stronger before. The shitty version of overheat coming back was the final nail/straw/insult for me and forced punishment mechanics are only cool if the power it balances against is overpowered. Gauss caster build beats ember in every single way.
@@semtexagon so waiting for corrosive procs to stack isn't a great nuke? Cause that invalidates saryn and she is a renowned nuke. You spam 1 with saryn a couple times, you spam 4 with ember. I think pressing an ability a couple times that takes under a second to cast doesn't discredit huge dps from status procs. I'm just sharing my opinion.
@@hothstorm I understand why people dislike overheat, but when it starts to ramp very high you're just casting more which= more full armor stripping. The energy economy is great right now with things like arcane energize, deathcube, exothermic augment mod, etc.This allows you to spam abilities more. I get how it can get annoying to maintain the gauge but I actually like it, It makes it more engaging imo.
@@XxBomber37xX Normal people like not having to micromanage their own survival. Thats like, the whole point of using survival abilities instead of resorting to shield gating. It does the thing its designed to do badly. I respect that you like it like that but it doesnt suprise me that your views are unconventional when you described WoF as "lazy" and enjoy button mashing her new 4. However the reasons why its not as expensive as it could be dont really help it to not be worse than old overheat, or WoF, or thermal sunder.
it weird seeing you not mentioning the fact Gauss Thermal Sunder group up enemy and also armor strip them, his Kinetic Plating also make him have 100% knockdown resist
and even as someone that use Mesa a lot on a daily basis i cannot see her being above A
also Rev in B is just weird specially with how long his part is because all problem you have with him are not actual problem in actual practice and by just knowing how to use him after 30 min, it make me laugh tbh and kind of thought this part is trolling, i do not use him often but he is just way too good to be in B
i would have slam my head in the wall if not for the fact this is a subjective list tbh
A tier list being subjective... No way!
@@semtexagon a tier list made by someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, no way!
@@semtexagon u know u know but u know actually u do not know
Gas procs.
@@Idavori and that why he isn't an immortal frame like Rev
though there are way around gas
I feel bad for Garuda and Rev - like how can Garuda be on the same Tier as Oberon.
Or Rev on the same Tier as Atlas. As someone already wrote to each their own, just found this super weird.
The weirdest shit is comparing Garuda to Voruna, even rimes a bit. But what ever, not even waste any thought on it.
Other than this I am NOT one of those roast guys, rest is somewhat ok I guess.
Tierlist might be always subjective and blablabla but this one is pretty rough.
Anyway hope you had fun making it, now this is what counts the most.
Garuda and Voruna Both have:
forced 100% bleed procs.
relay on iFrames and shield gating.
Has limitless energy.
Voruna has:
invisibility.
build in crit multi.
Complete immunity to CC and status effects from her passive.
the best priming tool in the game.
her healing and energy is shared with the team.
Garuda has:
A directional shield.
@@semtexagon garuda's forced slash is not like voruna's. garuda's slash proc from her 4 has no cap on it. The dmg you deals are converted to slash proc. If you hit an enemy with 1 mil dmg its will be 1mil /3 + viral bonus damage that ignores armor. While voruna's slash on her 4 is based on her str and her 4's kill multiplier that has way less potential
@@semtexagon im sorry but you dont know what garuda have at all. Saying her having just the shield is like saying voruna only have a parkour speed pasive. Garuda passive gives 100% dmg multiplier, 1 dmg is uncapped with i ftames on leap and a shield that capture damage to turn into big slash proc later. 2 is a subsume slot. her 3 is infinite energy, status clense, and her 4 gives cc, s on casting, clear fodder with no los check, limitiless slash potential. Tbh if that shield you are shitting on is omnidirectional it would be overpowered since she could just cast it once for even more captured damage
@@semtexagon Garuda has a directional shield that makes you immune to knockdown, the energy regen ability removes status effects. Garuda's passive is Rhino Roar subsume with 330% ability strength and there is no way you can even compare slash procs from garuda's marks to voruna. They make her the strongest weapon platform in the entire game as any weapon can 100% slash proc. Any zaw with exodia contagion becomes a glaive prime with 10x damage.
Combining 4 with breach surge allows you to reach damage cap, you don't even need to use weapons anymore except for eximus. Who needs to prime enemies when you deal billion damage slash procs? Lastly Garuda also shares healing with the team as you either use Gloom which applies to your teammates too or molt reconstruct which heals you and your allies to full hp whenever you cast an ability.
You should have compared Garuda with Styanax instead as their kits are basically the same except for the fact styanax is literal dogshit when you compare the two and since you put Sty in A garuda belongs above S.
There's also her first which can nuke entire rooms with minimal effort but that's forgotten a lot
Xaku C??? are you insane the the easiest braindead gameplay ever basically does what protea does without having to press 2 in every single room you walk in
So no one gonna say why xaku is in C tier when he can only be the one that survive until the max level cap in steel path easily with his broken armor and lowest hp in the game
I remember back when the game had raids and every team needed a Vauban and Trinity
Good times.
this guy makes brozime seem like a genius lmaooo
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As someone that picked chroma at the beggining, i feel you put him too high, his tankiness is pretty meh compared with other tanks, suffers from nullify since he has to build stacks (and its even worse if you tried to build damage stacks from colds) , and his credit thing is only useful in profit taker, that put him at best in b/c.
Same I picked him up when I was mr 8 and still use him for PT, but have to acknowledge he is painfully weak he is B tier max
What stacks?
@@semtexagon the vex armor ones? The stacks that you generate depending on how many shield/health points you lost, and the damage Buff only works by getting hit on your health, so it's pretty annoying to lose them since you know, it's not an amazing thing to have to get hits on red health.
@@leavemebevidsarecrappy9039 same, i used him for everything when i started and i have a spot for him for being an amazing starter frame, but after that you have 2 abilities that have meh tankiness, a somewhat decent damage buff behind an annoying condition, other effects that arent anything crazy, and 2 death slots, like, once i started using other frames, chroma was awful to play, i hoped they rework him except for his x2 credit on ult.
@@santiagorodriguez6686 Def, I usually use xata's over his 3rd because I hit armor cap with cold ward, but during PT i replace the first with gloom bc im to lazy to watch 2 abilities
this list made me laugh alot i needed this Tom foolery
Glad you enjoyed it
xaku C Tier when he can actually instant kill level cap without effort throw the whole list away
wow... level 9999 butcher.
Bro he put revenant B tier 💀
As a dude who comes back to warframe after 2 years and having prime oldschool frames i feel weak and i dont know like 30 of them :D
Ouch 😣
I personally, i don't quite understand your picks on multiple of the lower end frames (ember, gara, sevagoth...) and using helminth as an exquise to say "it's a powerful ability but other use it better" is unfair and feels lazy, since the frames still benefit from their ability a lot.
But what strikes me the most is the fact you put Lavos in trash tier, let me elaborate:
1. Access to any element and procs and the ability to extend the procs by using ability duration plus his 2nd deploys ponds that put a crap ton of statuses on the enemy
2. The ability to create universal orbs and ammo packs with his 3rd
3. Total status immunity after energy pick up
4. Very strong and scalable damage ability with his 4th ability
5. Self heal
6. When paired up with the Cedo, the time to kill with his 4th skyrockets
7. Self heal + passive + huge armor = good tankiness
True not being able to spam his abilities does hold his potential back but he can make up for it with the cooldown reduction and the above mentioned points
Therefore I believe he is at least A tier and ony personal list even S tier
1: The Cedo exists
2: Equilibrium
3: inconsistency will get you killed.
4: It doesn’t scale.
5: inconsistency will get you killed.
6: It’s on a cooldown, that the point, there is a hard cap on how often you can use it.
7: When you complete the star chart you unlock the Steel path where the enemies actually start dealing damage to you.
@@semtexagon
1. Equilibrium is a good mod but how often do you run it?
2. It's still effective
3.over a 1000 armor with a huge health pool and a self heal with a non existent cooldown and adaptation, does make him hard to kill.
True the cooldowns do seems quite questionable in comparison to nuke abilities of other frames but he can still do a big chunk of content
With all respect to your opinion but I believe he belongs higher on the tier list
@@fyre-fly-pl5192
1000 armor doesn't mean jack to high level enemies. . . If an enemy is outputting 100000 damage and lets say you have 90% damage reduction just for the sake of it, you're still taking 1000 damage, aka, you're probably dead unless you are inaros. Why would I play that over Chroma anyway who can easily get over 3k armor? What even is this point?
"Not being able to 1 shot eximus is a disaster" is the most blatant attempt to justify a personal bias ive ever heard. Protea is a 3rd rate railjack pilot behind hildryn, lavos, and harrow. You never actually justified putting garuda in C tier you just refrenced it when mentioning valkyr who you also didnt explain well. Guess thats more than limbo got but wtf is up with the jank edit?
I actaully said why. Voruna does what Garuda wants to do but much better.
@@semtexagon They dont do even remotely the same thing.
@@semtexagon and if they did, garuda would be doing it better.
Bro I like protea, but her W scales pretty horribly into higher tier content but she makes sub steel path content a cake walk. Protea is mostly used to be subsumed so other frames have infinite energy. She's a good frame, don't get me wrong, but she's not great for high level content but like many she can do pretty much everything else.
Lavos should be in A teir he can control the map with his 2,3,4 ability. And kill them with toxin, viral, radiation.
You‘re sleeping on Ember just like most of the community. With certain helminths like 5 or so, she is an absolute monster, immolation = DR, armor strip for fire blast, fire blast = knockdowns and strips armor obviously (very great range), absolutely AMAZING for shield gating and also synergizes very well with Gloom making the knockback last decades, Inferno = exothermic giving ember infinite energy most of the time, setting enemies on fire to have her passive at 100% more ability strength 90% of the time in survival SP missions, inferno is also great to use as a mini armor strip, since it obviously proccs heat. Inferno is a mini saryn while the rest of her kit has a use if pairing inferno up with heat inherant primers and armor stripping allowing you to press 4 to win in SP easily. Ember possesses every necessary thing needed for a A or higher tier frame and if you can‘t agree you never looked into ember much. She has Armor stripping, great AoE, amazing CC, (with Gloom slow and life steal), combining Helminths like Gauss‘s, Gloom, Pillage, Terrify, Defy the list goes on. Makes Ember amazing, now if this tier list doesn‘t include Helminth I can see her being B tier, but if it does include Helminth synergies shes at LEAST mid A tier or higher.
Yareli to.
Limbo in the same tier with Excalibur? 💀
Limbo have defensive, offensive (augment can do 2000% to 6000% damage buff in SP), CC and support abilitys that works perfect in a 9999 lvl scenario. Excalibur just have the sword. I mean yeah can do good damage with melees but not even close to what Limbo can do.
Larvos isn't trash I'll say C-B i get his cooldown system is ass but he can still become tanking and melt through an entire room. Hydroid is my favorite frame but devs hate water frames and my boy will probably never be touched again. He can easily be reworked if they truly thought about it.
Lavos is great...the base armour makes him a tank even for SP standards
You heard it here first, you can tank SP with 675 armor and no additional DR
Also, just to repeat myself: Lavos is high C maybe Low B if in terms of power, but I put him in trash tier because like the other warframes there, he's design is fundamentally broken.
@@semtexagon I'd give lavos a high B, he is unique, and he benefits off of anything that gives status procs. He can make any element on the fly and the cooldowns aren't bad
A fellow hydroid main. Hellow there
lol I think tier list videos just really show how every warframe can be S tier in some way, or at the very least considered good. Pretty much anything is viable if you're willing to put enough effort into a build or particularly enjoy the way it plays in combination with specific weapons/subsume abilities, and it's just a matter of preference over meta in 9 out of 10 cases.
I hear you, but I'd say 8/10 frames. There is still a handful that suffers a bit.
Wukong B tier💀
1st ability if you use it on an enemy then he gets increased damage and accuracy
2nd ability not needing to explain
3rd ability you say u cant move but thats cap u can move while getting armor and its useful
4th is alright
A at worst
Melee combat is one of my favorite things in the game which was one of the main reasons I want Voruna and to main her, sadly I'm just coming back to the game and far away from having the ability to farm her
Time to get grinding I guess, but hey, you have holidays.
Right now I've been struggling for hours trying to get the mech parts I need
The problem is that u rate Warframes against other warframes rather than how they do against content. Ur tier list is full of bias and clear lack of experience. Good try though.
Give me an example.
I mean ….. watch ur video and look for the things I said. Did u rate a frame based on another frame? Did u personally take a frame into the relevant content in warframe and test its performance? Do u have criteria for ur ranks or is it totally subjective, meaning u like a frame and its play style so it is rank x?
@@Darkwing29
Ya know, when people ask you for an example, you build credibility by GIVING AN EXAMPLE!
Nezha "her" that's an autoban... get em kickbot!
B.. but... Limbo... 😢
.... I get why people use revenant as a damage frame because he can literally 1 shot enemies but that's not really what he's designed for. The thralls are meant to stay alive to pull aggro, and his reave is an oh shit button/heal. Rev is (in my opinion) supposed to be played as a tank with his mesmer skin, and cc with his thralls. Damage is not his strong suit and it was never meant to be
Yeah... He deserves to be in B.
Since when has "meant to be" ever mattered in this game. We have an entire meta based on a mechanic that involves equipping what was intended to be debuff in order to make squishy frames tanky.
What things are "meant to be" means fuck all. Time and time again players find and abuse niche synergies to their advantage. If it works it works until it inevitably gets nerfed.
Very happy you not grading them based on how useful a helmet mod is on them you have all my respect for that
I cant tell if he is actually trolling or he is legit wrong in half of his takes 😅
this guy never played vauban lmao
Neither have you clearly
This tier list is wild ngl
But interesting.
Uhuh, this tierlist is like really strange, I disagree with alot of stuff, but I would just say how much I disagree with Nidus being B tier. This guy can easily take down steel path, and I'm not even talking about his Teeming Virulence builds. Well, I still respect your opinions, here, have a like, interesting playlist
Nidus is very fun but he's a bit slow
Man is bringing out the hot takes fr
Tier lists are subjective right...🤷
I'm so happy you didn't call rhino meta lol. I see SO MANY people call him "meta" and how he will "always be meta"... Like, no. Rhino is NOT meta, he is just viable. He is viable and will always be viable because of what his kit is but he is NOT meta and never will be.
Maybe waaaay back when there was extremely fewer frames he might have been meta at some point, but not today. People needa learn the difference between viable and meta.
yeah but meta for what
@@noahedenborg4221 the majority of what I've seen just call him meta for existing because of how versatile he can be. Tanking? He does it, damage buffing? He does it, crowd control? He does it. He has a bit of multiple things which can be amplified even more with hemlith.
Imo he isn't "meta" at any of it though, he's just viable.
Imo, rhino is good for pre-steel path content. After that, there is a reason why people subsume his roar and just use a different frame.
26:06 idk where u heard this but u can have 7 thralls at once not 30
Trash is a harsh category...during my leveling in low to mid tiers, I enjoyed Hydroid and Inaros...they can stay at the bottom but not trash..Hydroid has an amazing pirate deluxe skin also, which can matter a lot in WF fashion endgame...I don't play Vauban, but he deserves better than trash
If they are useless in all content, then that makes them useless and you throw useless junk in the trash. And no pre-SP does not count.
You can enjoy whatever you want but keep that participation prize mentality out of it. This is a tier list video ffs and saying all warframes are beautiful in spirit or whatever is just being dishonest with yourself.
I'm sorry bro, I have what, 5-6 formas into hydriod? It's not even that you can just use someone else, his damage is objectively, trash tier. The only mission I've ever found him remotely useful on is interceptions because he can puddle and enemies get caught then stop spawning while in the puddle. He doesn't do jack else since he can't tank jack and he sure as hell doesn't do damage.
Edit: And if they tripled his damage he would still be trash tier FYI, that's how bad he is. The tentacles, at best, do 3k damage. Why even use him when nekros exists and his shadows can kill things if you build for it?
11:30 Inaros is the only frame that cant use shieldgate? Are we just forgetting nidus?
Fair enough.
I like Nidus more
@@BairdOThello me too grayson
Limbo B tier not bc out of spite. seeing him in B tier is probably the most common mistake that everyone make until you realise that it can obliterate level cap with a snap with the only thing threatning him is the ability of eximus, ONLY the ability wich is easy to dodge and rolling guard exist (even in the rift stasis affect their shot so yes they can move they can act and all but shooting does nothing)
Infinite energy, can be share with other
Scaling depending on your build weapon include (to good scaling up to infinite)
Potential Rly good heal with his augment wich work on some defense
Probably one of the best for anything related to defending something
One of the best survivability aka being in an other plan of existence and can share it
In solo he do everything EXCEPT assassination and some specifique excpetion
Only issue left are accolyte, exodia and they disapear
And if you have a friend who play with something like mesa or protea they will love you when you make them realise they now only need to press one or two button and not worry about a thing since survivability with ability, mod, that weird shield gating thing, etc is meaningless when you are in a reality ahead of your ennemy and warframe ability ignore the rift
Oh also limbo cheat and can have two damage boosting ability
Overhaul the tier list is like a 50/50 except for the top tier
Okay.
Level 100 eximus 💀
I have never unsubscribed from a channel so fast
I find that hard to believe
Yareli deserves her own tier
I did that last year
At least she’s better than some frames now.
She's not that bad, I don't think any frame is straight up Yareli tier anymore.
she goes straight to pupsker tier no questions
@@sproutdood She went straight into garbage tier on release, and now she is just barely climbing out of garbage tier after getting two reworks. Surely worth the development time.
ohøj tak for tier listen :)
Okay nice at se en dansker men altså med de nye archon shards kan du så ikke opgradere Calibans fjerde ability til at være instant cast? Det ville være sjovt at se!
Man what Mirage B tier just because her eclipse can be subsumed. Nah she still high tier one of the best damage frames. Just overly squishy compared to every other frame. Give her another rework with her clones being able to refresh and her eclipse choice based (all light or all dark) and she's topping damn near every frame. Without subsuming.
You know, the tier list is not only based on how good warframes are in survival.
@@semtexagon Oh I know, notice I didnt nit pick at any other frame besides Mirage? That's my main so I had to defend her ranking lol
Lavos is a trash?? I literally do every railjack mission by lavos. Inaros is super good for hijack and vauban can do constant enemies control. There is no meaning to do this your own opinion tier list thing. Actually every warframe has its own usefulness. For your s tier, those warframes indeed capable do most missions, which does not mean they are superior than others.
You underestimate Excalibur, i play everything with Umbra and i do not have any issue with anything
The only reasons he putting wisp in A tier because it stand for ASSet
Revenant is really weird and nobody understands him. Hes sometimes boring sometimes clunky but also insane tank to the point he deteles difficulty where survival matters in normal conditions. Also there is a cap of all thralls: 7. Anything more is a bug, idk ifltmer stupid pets form summoners count as bug or feature anymore but dont all summon/convert abilities have that issue?
I wish his ult wasn't so situational and we got like augment thar turns it into wisp ult so I can use it for something else than lawnmowing low levels effectively.
Best tank in the game bro
No, he's most tanky warframe.
I managed to get 20 thralls, so yeah he might just be broken.
@@semtexagon 20 thralls? whats the build and in what mission type?
Cant believe garuda is in c. Her 1 4 combo with nourish is too good
Considering that this combo is deals okay dmg at best I am not sure why ‘it is so good’
@@semtexagon 3 things that makes nourish good on garuda is dmg buff, always good, viral buff made her 4 applies viral which help the slash procs and the energy multiplier let her go negative efficiency which helps with shield gating just throw a nat talent brief respite and augur message + dragon key and you can 1 tap any ability for full shield, health is no problem too since molt reconstruct heals scale well woth negatice efficiency. With this builds you can tap nourish on 2 for 25 sec buffs + 90 shield restored (thats 20 to spare from max shield with dragonkey) for fast shieldgate or tap 4 for more shied and health and cc from the mark but a bit slower to cast
And its shorten her time to kill significantly. I used to do two 1 tap then one 4 tap then release a charged 1. Now with nourish dmg viral buf its just tap for tap 1 and release one for even more damages than before
sure, nullifiers can screw gara pretty badly, but dont forget its the corpus. you can eat shields easily regardless. where it could be an issue is in the void or lua, but the solution is using a fast firing weapon or long range melee and the nullifiers are no problem. but another note is you can play her as a melee\CO frame (cause glass counts as a status) frame, a nuker, a support. she's extremly versatile and can do pretty much any content in the game. better than other frames? depends, she wont beat a volt on eidolon, but she can compete with other DPS frames in other mission types. i'd say A or S make more sense due to how versatile she is (i dare even say she's a better starter frame than Rhino).
She is not exactly easy to get for a new player. But also whatever counter you bring for nulls might work 199/200 times. This just means that the run ends on the two hundredth spawn of a null.
With that being said, I didn't fully consider her support implications so I suppose that I could put her in A tier. But S tier is for broken frames and she is just really good.
@@semtexagon fair nuff.
Doesnt glass still cause issues with blocking status effects? Trade off doesnt seem worth.
@@hothstorm i'd need to test that, but i hadn't noticed much difference as enemies affected by mass vitrify takes way more damage than usual from melees, guns and abilities.
update: it does block status if they werent applied already, but still do good damage to glassed enemies due to their debuff, this is affected by power strength.
Xaku being c tier is disgusting how in the hell is rhino above him lmao, I used to main rhino for years but now main Xaku and I’m surprised you put rhino above him.
Rhino has defenses, Xaku does not.
@@semtexagon when enemies are level capped rhino’s defense is laughable, in lower tier mission levels defense isn’t needed, only thing rhino has on Xaku is a damage buff. Xaku’s offense plays as a much better defense cus of better crowd control. I’ve played both immensely, it’s your opinion but it’s wrong.
Vauban at trash? Lmao easily can cc on level caps, never used it prob
I mean have played game since the eximus changes, because I don't think you have.
Bro I was just laughing
@Semtexagon what, that little shield they have that can get one shotted easily? 🤣 lmao yall want these warframe too kill enemies but you do that with guns and procs, no need to trash a frame for not having some sort of buffuling ability if that even is a word
@@thaboiiishere8005 great for u. Maybe u are different breed bcuz other popular WF content creators as well as alot WF player also think the same as SemTexagon about vauban without helminth.
Nice video as always, can I get ur guys opinions I'm looking to take a frame in for solo endurance surv runs just wanting ur guys opinions on the best frames for this (excluding octavia please as very bored of her haha) cheers
Kinda shitty he placed Vauban so low because he was getting his cheeks spread my eximus units. You literally just have to move around and shoot them before they become a problem…
Vauban provides infinite armor strip, tons of CC and hits like a truck with scaling damage, throw proteas dispensary on him and you have perfect frame for defending.
How do you think armor works?
@@semtexagon 👁️👄👁️💫
yes, I understand how armor works, but I’m not understanding what the purpose of your reply is… I didn’t say anything about armor besides Vauban’s ability to strip it…
Please make sense if you decide to reply again 😘
@@Nosbuiq "infinite armor strip"
@@semtexagon did I say something incorrect?
@@Nosbuiq
Somewhat yes because it only affects enemies that are actually sucked in or captured. He is great for moderate missions but not for steel path. He is a glass cannon without the damage to back it up. He can do everything else though, survival, defense, etc. but while he's great at that he clearly has issues such as dealing with those CEOs. That all said and done, for most of the games content he is fine, but he's garbo at everything else.
Also since you tend to sacrifice strength when playing him his armor stripping is even worse, something like 8% a second and there are plenty of ways to strip armor as is so that's not even a plus and they nerfed armor in general.
I can’t see how good a frame can be for only being in a survival for 3-10 minutes but cool
Me neither.
Mesa is not S tier, she can't do level cap without subsume abilities and exploit shield dating rolling guard.
I specifically said that this list wasn’t based on level cap. More importantly; what hell is shield dating?
I disagree with 90% of what he said, but hey, it was fun to hear his opinion
I'll take that
Warframe tier list without gauss and wisp in S tier, how ?
It's not steel path top 10
@@semtexagon yeah but they are still OP in normal missions
...what the heck man? Valkery is at least mid B tier, high survivability, ridiculous melee damage, and moderate CC, plus cheap and easy kit that's synergistic. Yes, she's not fast, but speed is a low requirement for any mission except farming, and speed trials. Now i do understand you grid with her range, however everything in her kit screams single target obliteration (boss, elites, and small groups). Every warframe in the game doesn't need to blow up the entire room of enemies to be great.
That might be the worst take yet.
@@semtexagonweak? really, u say? Well its OK, I proved facts that's no less true, personal preference is the root of bias and opinions. And u obviously don't prefer valkery, thus used her less, and exactly for the reasons I stated. No worries, I understand, I stated my perspective.
Only time I’ve ever seen anyone downplay Gauss or put him below Volt
revenant B TEIR , who tf allowed this man to cook
Lavos in trash: actually doesn’t know what status is💀💀💀
I play loki just because i love the way he looks
The more power to ya'
I think your warframe tier list is pointing which one is the best and useful warframe for the team, but not exactly
No
Titania is actually better than most on the Steel path, since she has near top tier single target DPS which translates well to mobs of enemies. Just most players don't know how to build for her. She is more S tier than some S tier frames.
That's a bit of a strech
@@semtexagon Nope. She is actually one of the strongest frames out there.
@@Taoscape link me
kinda agree that she's underrated for a lot of content, if i were to play 1 frame for a month for instance, she'd be one of my top picks due to flexibility, even though she only really "excels" at one thing. That said, maybe for different reasons but I'd still have her in high A tier rather than S.
Just to further clarify what i meant by "different reasons", baruuk much as I think he's a fun frame to play, that he just demands high enemy density to be anything other than a moderately tanky guy that shoots a gun, puts him at B maximum, even if he's S+ in survival.
You don't need single target DPS in this game since most enemies are grouped and armor stripping is a thing?
Nekros should have been in a tier
Wth is this 💀
That's y I don't click thumb up ☠️💀☠️
A tier list silly.
@@semtexagon ion think so
A shitty, tier list
Thank you for the laughs this list is actually funny
Thank...
It’s funny you said Harrow had one of the most confusing kits in the game 😂 he’s my go to in most missions
He’s a great support frame if done right but with my build, I’m either getting everyone to have unlimited health and energy or I’m trash…
All it requires to be the goat is being able to get kills, if a teammate is just nuking the map then he is pretty trash in effectiveness
Edit: I disagree with Xaku, with 3 forms, he’s still broken op on steel path and is arguably of the best focus farming frames in the game.
you mean self support
@@noahedenborg4221 nope. Build for range and your whole squad gets the buffs… im a harrow main.
@@jacobwilliams1356 ok 1 actually doesnt scale of range its affinity range and 2 his 3 YOU need to kill his 4 need you to take dmg which might not happen because enemy either dead or cant shoot
@@jacobwilliams1356 uh no most of his abilitys scale of affinity range
@@noahedenborg4221 I’m a narrow main bro lol MR27 and been playing for almost a decade. I have done extensive testing. My build supports the entire team
Looks like this tierlist is based on warframes with no weapons, companions, arcanes or operator buffs. Vauban in trash tier, really? How did u think it that far? Alright so lemme tell u
1 Tesla nervos are stunning enemies most of the time that gives u more time to cast abilites/endurance capabilty, If ur using melee u can do more dmg with cond overload
2 Overdriver is a direct dmg buff , flachete orb scales with enemy lvl/power strenght and u can get more crits with mutalist quanta if u cast it over them
3 photon strike is shit u change it for tharros strike easy armos strip with 200 power strenght u can go 140 power strenght then go with molt augmented ( u can also push enemies into vortex)
4 for his bastille u use the augment and its great
The part where u said oh eximus goes into bastille and then one taps cuz u cant armor strip , thats why u use thraoss strike and u can push him around.
even without tharoos strike vauban is still great ur just trying to be diffrent u can also run spectrorage and augment and ur just gonna get more energy and in that case use some melee with a primer?
Whats your problem with vauban dude
Also his passive
I Don't know, I can't tell if you’re trolling me. Have you played Warframe, the video game?
Eximus enemies have overguard, meaning that they are not lifted by Bastille. not pulled into Vortex or tether coil, -and no- tether coil doesn't stun them at all, and neither does the procs of tesla Nervos.
And just to be clear that 1000 Armor is better than nothing but that's it. It will cause you to take less damage, it's just so happens that aforementioned damage is still greater than your total health = You'll still die.
And just in case you're new to the game, eventually you will unlock the steel path where the enemies will start actually dealing damage to you.
25% DMG... wow
@@semtexagoni made myself unclear, i know that eximus enemies are not lifted by bastille or pulled into vortex or tether coil.
On the other hand if u damage them enough at one point they will start being affected by cc abilites, thats the part where tharros strike comes in clutch. U just use that on eximus or use a weapon to kill the eximus. Agian u can subsume pillage on vauban for shields back and boom u cant die anymore. As since u can cc a whole room with about 1-2 bastilles there are only the eximus to be left and for those u just either use a weapon/melee or use tharros strike to get rid of them shields.
Also i didnt unlock steel path but ive had such a life that i actually just went about 2 hours with vauban and that means im going agiasnt lvl 200-300 it may not mean a lot to youtubers that just go into sp and play till they get the 9999lvl enemies.
Knightmareframe did run with vauban agianst lvl 9999 with diffrent builds and he didnt have a problem.'
@@semtexagon Also his passive is just more damage so why matter how much it is? And since in sp every bit of dmg is a dps increase it doesnt matter.
I very politely and respectfukky disagree but it was a fun watch
That's what's important.
I don't know what the hell they were thinking with embers 2. It should start off using a lot of energy then use less. Having to turn it off is F'in stupid.
Sevagoth for me is Easy A Tier personally. His 1 does radiation damage so easy CC, his two does true damage, combos with his one to easily clear rooms. His three gloom is extremely powerful and yes it does work better on other frames but despite that it still works excellently on Sevagoth. And his shadow is fun and does the brunt of his damage and because of his passive is easily able to survive by constantly resurrecting. Xaku in my opinion is easily the strongest frame, Xaku’s one is basically a worse true damage with an ok proc, Grasp of Lohk scales with enemy level. The Lost is ok but AoE armor Strip is just excellent. And Vast Untime with my build can last for 60 seconds. And because of this I can stack health mods as well and the new Arcane that increases health to get over 2000 hp. Even before the Arcane I am able to survive on the Steel Path super easily. And with void bubble procs Eximus barely become an issue.
Putting Nekros in C tier is just criminally unreasonable.
Why?
@@semtexagon best loot frame in the game? Tanky too.
@@parker4025
No, just no. As a guy who has more than half his playtime as nekros, just no. To get started, you have to kill enemies, hopefully they don't kill you first, if they do then RIP. Second, you have to upkeep his ult which is expensive to say the least. As for being "tanky" that's only up to a certain extent, certainly not on steel path, especially not with that massive nerf *cough* rework *cough* they did to him years ago. Add that on top of the fact that he is no longer the best loot frame in the game as that position has been taken by a much more useful frame. I just came back to start playing again and as a ex-nekros enjoyer, just no. There's far better things to use.
Did you just say Neeesha and also Nezha is a male frame
@@T3BFitnessTripleThreatBoss wrong. In Chinese folklore, Nezha is known as a protection deity and is the third son of Li Jing. He is also known by his title of "Third Lotus Prince",
@@T3BFitnessTripleThreatBoss yes Nezha is a male frame in Warframe. Look it up
@@T3BFitnessTripleThreatBoss Technically it/he does, If you've played "The Sacrifice" questline (SPOILERS AHEAD)
They explain how the warframes are Dax (the warrior caste of orokin society) that were then infected with the infested. They were extremely strong, but were mindless monsters. However, their extreme resilience made them perfect vessels for the Tenno to do transference with, and they serve as a focusing lens of sorts for our void powers. They then had a metal shell overtop to make them even more formidable warriors. They have genders, because the frames themselves were at some point humans.
No I called her 'she'.
@@semtexagon No you called "him" she.
should see my Mirage build :)
nukes better than any frame I've ever seen no one has been able to keep up
Link me
lmao gauss has no damage? He has a mass armor strip, elemental damage buff with his augment, melee damage buffs, and an insane 188% fire rate buff. He literally turns some trash weapons into steel path viable options, huge L. You probably get off on this negativity but whatever.
You're not wrong about the negativity thing: but also, mass armor strip?
@@semtexagon He can strip the armor of a whole room with his 3 while his 4 is active with full meter
This list is clearly bias lol. This guys bad cause he cant do endless (good for survival), this guys good cause he can do survival (also cant do endless).
Come on then; show up or shut up: which frames.
And also: tier list has by default: bias build into them.
mesa is known for not scaling well, and her whole playstyle ends in press this 1 button. yet half of the list is put in lower when their far more engaging, more utility and commonly used for endless due to their scaling ability. You know you skipped passed limbo over the bias lmao. Its fine and all lol shit my main pick is valkyre half the time for legit no good reason i just like her🤷♂️.
Mirage is my favorite frame but I understand why she’d be in B
equinox dethroned ember pre rework in low level mob clearing just go day time hit 4 and everything that gets close enough just dies from etheir the damage or the slash
My favorite part about these tier lists is how incredibly toxic a lot of people are when they get butthurt that their favorite frame doesn't get picked in the tier they want...its so entertaining reading the salt. I swear the Warframe community has such an elitist gigachad problem.
Salt is very nice indeed; but it's not so nice for me 🥲
@@semtexagon well the way I see it is every youtuber needs to make content, and if everyone's tier list is exactly the same then no one is gonna watch the same thing over and over. Everyone has their own opinion on what's good in the game and sure there is objectively good and bad...but some people take it way too seriously and get mega butthurt when their favorite frame isn't like S tier or whatever. Granted the majority of people are pretty cool and are helpful...but man the "but what about this" gets really fucking annoying.
Revenant Is a God. Bro Cant get Any Damage With Mesmer. Abillitys Trash Yes. But Revenant is The BEST Tank Ingame. No Other Frame can Tank Like Revenant.
Chroma has 1 use and 1 use only: to boost credit income from profit taker.
Edit: And you couldn't even get Nezha's gender right... Smh.... Nezha is a boy.
Totally didn't do that on purpose... And it's chroma's 4 that gives more credits
@@semtexagon yes
as a old ass knowledgeable player, this tier list is hyper odd to many frames (i wont explains because it would be hyper long, almost a word document long), some i agree but other than that its your tier list, so you do you
You don't understand most frames and made a 30 minute video to prove it.
For instance: Vaubans 4th strips armor, even from most CC immuned enemies like eximus. CC+killing power of flachettes even of scaled enemies at lv 999.
Braton MK 1 (not incarnon) have been used to reach level cap... So what's your point?
Bro put Wisp in A she should he in God
😂😂😂 if this had a dislike button it ve broken lmao. U say subsume on grendel and u forget all other warframes, like frost and gara their tank guards and with augment mods they are powerful, and a lot more frames
It’s pretty hard to give a tier list that represents the current game now that new(not that new now) synergies with the helminth is a thing and we got arcanes as I outlast a lot of players including revenants in endgame content using excal with gloom among other things but I guess you can put some of that to skill but it really swoon how you build the frame
Okay
The biggest crime this video committed wasn't even some of the wack ratings, it was that you called Nezha a her at 15:04. That hurts, bad.
Watch the mesa part again
who let bro cook 💀
What....
Lavos in trash, garuda in C, underestimate mirage... And chroma is loooow C. Poor list
okay
Even in other youtubers tier lists chroma is at least B tier. He can be A depending on what you are doing with him. Chromas main problem is that he first, has to get damaged to do anything, then his short range to buff allies, then the fact that he moves slow af so you don't use him for speed based missions or nuking content.
Xaku tier C? Jajaja
I would put valk in A tier but other than that this list is a W
We take those around here.