I got one .. my friend has a new M3. Every time I am happy that I didn’t go for the M3. Even my friend agrees that the alfa is the one that makes you smile. And not a pretty car ? … you are right … it is bloody gorgeous! I got the Stelvio Q aswell as the daily for the misses I will be getting a new Q next year.. because it will be the last of the true petrol Alfa’s …with the carbon seats
Had 3 m3s over a 10 year period. Loved them , e46 and 2 e92s. Own a qv now with 2 years. The qv is a different type of machine entirely.. its like driving a supercar with 4 doors in race mode. Precision, agility, power delivery and traction are all very special. In normal mode its under the radar, economical, quiet , practical. Rides beautifully in all modes. Its an incredibly complete car.
Is there a big difference between e-LSD and M-LSD? Last month I was searching and wanted to buy a 2018 one but I just discovered this now that 2024 has Mechanical diff , and 2018 has e-LSD
@@salemgx1963 my car is a 2019 with the e diff. It’s has huge traction but is far more of a gripper than a slider. I think the mechanical diff will give you a more of a drift style back axle , like an m3. The e diff is amazing at getting the power to the road though
QV over M3 every day. Drove both. Interior/ technology is better in M3. When it comes to driving, there is no comparison. You want to enjoy interior and tech or you buy supersalon for driving prepuces? Your choice. Look is subjective.
But imagine how good the QV COULD be if it had been developed and honed over the years like the M3? That's my point. It's a great car that has just been left to meander along rather than Alfa properly getting behind it. They tried with eat GTA/M but even that has been forgotten about now.
Yes I agree. It’s really a shame that they did not put more effort in it. I am really surprised. Also around look, M3 looks more mean to me, although QV is more rear on roads and it maybe draws attention, but I would like it to be more “ mean”
@@natan17nx Yeah, nothing like driving a mean beaver. As to "putting more effort into it", the car doesn't need it. If the design and engineering is good from the start, why change it? If you need 'better tech' or more lashings of leather, you're not an Alfista.
@@houseofcars1973 We all know that when Marchione died, the Alfa support within Stellantis died with him. Of course the Giulia should have been developed further over the years. It's a tragedy that this car has been essentially ignored by its manufacturer. That said, I'd still buy this over the M3.
To make it short on this debate, if you want all the tech, all the gizmos on your car go for a BMW or an Audi. If you want to drive to put a smile on your face and it looks amazing, buy an Alfa Romeo as simple as that. Alfa has never been one for the tech it has always been about the driving experience and the mechanical side of things. That's why the majority of people buy Alfa's for those very reasons.
3 years of owning a Stelvio Quadrifolgio, and the infotainment system has never been an issue - yes, it's not all bells and whistles and flashy, but an Alfa is a drivers car, focussed on the driving experience, feel, emotion. If you really want the latest in infotainment, stick with the less engaging, less soul-stirring German cars.
I have the 2 litre Veloce in misano blue and have to say that the amount of goodwill this car generates is ridiculous - everyone loves it! I have men giving me thumbs up on the motorway, little boys pointing at it and women admiring its curves, it has a feel good factor. I can't imagine this to be the case with the competition. The reason i bought the car was the fact it's a proper driving machine, rear wheel drive, etc, but the attention certainly is a nice bonus! I'm also glad alfa haven't changed the styling much between facelifts, it would be easy to ruin the looks with silly spoilers. Also grateful for no haptic buttons, no ipad on the dash and spotify/google maps that work really well. Just a great machine.
The giulia and quadrifoglio is a classic. Its stunning these reveiws always sway over to German garbage. The guilia is a masterpiece a drivers car these reveiws they need to read up I've owned 17 alfas 34 Italian cars in total.along with around 120 other makes .this reviewer hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
Sorry, have I not made it clear that I love this car? In the verdict I say this is (and I’m quoting) “a good car, it might even be a great car”. Is that me saying that it’s no good? My beef is with Alfa not developing the car further than it did. It would be a class leader on all counts if it had. But the fact is, whilst we all live the way it drives, there are frustrations with it that mean that the likes of the BMW M3 are better when it comes to the technological developments as BMW understand that they have to continually meet even more the demands of its customers. Alfa just don’t seem to have bothered. Why does it not have a better infotainment system? If this system was in a £40k family hatchback, everyone would criticise it. So why shouldn’t I be as critical when we are talking about an £80k sports saloon?
@@houseofcars1973 Because no one buys an Alfa for an infotainment system. The car is the entertainment system. If you don't get that, then you don't get Alfa. Alfa should be commended for still building cars for people who like to drive, not cocoon in a rolling sensory deprivation chamber.
You can still have a car that is great to drive and offers modern technology that people now want, and dare I suggest expect, in a car costing this much. It doesn’t detract from the driving experience at all, but when it comes to modern conveniences that we find make our every day lives more convenient, that is where this car falters. It’s a great car to drive, and I say so in the review. I love it, I truly do, but it could be, and should be, better if Alfa just developed it more. And that’s my point at the end. A great car, but has to remain the alternative choice rather than the definitive choice as the others in the class offer more in terms of ease of use and convenience the majority of the time. If Alfa are to survive, they need to step their game up and stop trying to sell cars on the romance of the past. The world has changed and people don’t always care about the past. Especially when spending £80k. And the Giulia deserves to be sold in bigger numbers, QV or not, because it’s a good car.
This is a fair review, and properly calls out Alfa for some of the technology and fit and finish issues. I have a 2024 Giulia QV “Carbonio Edition”. This trim addresses the exterior trim mismatch by including carbon fiber mirror caps, roof, and grille insert. However it should be noted the M3 has the same issue. You can add an exterior carbon fiber package but it’s something like 7 grand CAD. You can’t get a CF hood or prop shaft with the M3 at all. And the latter is standard on every trim of the Giulia. I tested the M3, RS 5 and C63 (V8) against the Alfa and for me it wasn’t much of a contest as I prioritized driving engagement and looks over other considerations. That said, after a few months I have to say I would have liked AWD for the ability to push it harder in weather that is not 20+ degrees C and sunny. Aside from that the tech is completely fine for my needs. It’s the lack of configurability that is really unfortunate. With the M3 you can choose from hundreds of exterior colours and a good half dozen or so interior colour schemes. I would have loved to see a Giulia QV in Visconti Green and tan interior for example. But aside from these relatively minor gripes I do really think it’s a better car than the M3 from drivers perspective. Interesting you mention the M3 is more bombastic. I agree, but only to the extent that it’s significantly stiffer even in softer settings. The engine tone to me is more muted, and the steering is really quite dead. So overall again I think a fair review, but I think you glossed over some of the real downsides to the G80, RS 4/5 and especially C63 that really make the Alfa stand out. For the G80 it’s obviously looks, but also that tacky screen on the dash just looks terrible. The steering is also very numb Arguably the car culture around M3s is a lot more boyracer as well. As a daily, the M3 is also too stiff on many roads for longer drives. The Audis all understeer, have that terrible variable steering rack (outside of the competition models) , are significantly down on power and overall are dynamically quite inferior to the Alfa. The Mercedes is now I think objectively the worst car in this class. It’s not just that it has a 4 cylinder. It’s that they clearly haven’t figured out how to make this drivetrain work. Many reviews have noted that you can press the accelerator and wait a full 2-3 seconds before the car figures out what you’re wanting to do and gives you power. It feels heavy, the battery takes up a lot of space in the trunk and it sounds terrible. They aren’t selling. So, for the enthusiast, someone who prioritizes sheer driving enjoyment, the Alfa is really the only choice. You can’t get steering like this in any car until you get to Porsche and Ferrari. It’s got soul, is unique and I do think it’s gorgeous. It’s not perfect. But I think its competitors are much further from being perfect than it is.
Agree with everything you said, except the part about it being a fair review. A fair review judges the car on its own merits not on the merits of others. Clearly, choices were made in the design, engineering and development of the Giulia Quad. A whiz-bang infotainment system and interior appointments better than my living room just weren't among them.
@@davidturgeon2087 I disagree slightly. I think it needs to take other cars into account as well. When it was released in 2016 the infotainment wasn’t the best thing on the market but it wasn’t bad. It really only feels old when compared to its competitors NOW who are one generation newer. But it still drives better.
The Carbonio Edition does nothing to address the outside. The diffuser still isn't carbon and, if anything, it adds more mistmatched carbon throughout. It's just a Quadrifoglio with some eye candy to move stock as were the gold calipers.
@@AP-cc1uw point is, you like to talk tripe 😃 Oh, yeah, the Q100 and original Quadrifoglio or those with Sparco seats have the more premium nappa leather interior instead, instead of your lower-grade from the 4 cylinder models. Thanks for the reminder 😉
I owned a 2019 Giulia QF, sold it a year ago, still miss it. I find myself very emotionally involved with the car. Sold it because its warranty was expiring and there is no one near me who can fix it, should it break. BTW never had a single problem in 36,000 miles of driving with some track time.
Yes, that's always been Alfa's weakest link -- their dealer network, or to be more specific, their lack thereof. I had the same issue back in the day with my Milano Quadrifoglio Verde. Loved the car and its Busso V-6, but sold it soon after Alfa packed their bags and quit the N.A. market. There was no one left to service or repair it and if there were, who wants to wait for parts to arrive from Italy?
It really annoys when people refer to the drive mode as "Normal" when it's "Natural". It might be a small point but get your facts right. Beauty is very subjective but I think it's a truly beautiful design, and hasn't changed much over the years because the designers got it spot on when it was first launched. I think it's a fantastic car which looks great, has practicality, good fuel economy in Advanced Efficiency and great to drive whether fast or sedately. I agree that the infotainment system isn't great but does it really matter? I much prefer having separate knobs for the AC controls, and not having to dive into screen menus to get them. Finally, you have exclusivity with a Giulia Quadrifoglio which you don't get with it's German rivals. Most importantly it is easy to live with on a daily basis. Does it really matter if it doesn't have 35 shades of ambient lighting?! I personally don't think so. I have a model year 2022 Quadrifoglio and personally prefer the look of the old style headlights and the analogue dials. It was a great car when it was launched and it's a great car now.
You are correct, it is natural, and I apologise. I should have known that given that I worked for a dealership where we had Alfa Romeo next door and I was there when the MiTo came out with the "dna" toggle. My error. Now you did get the fact that I love this car, didn't; you? And yes, it is easy to live with, a fact that I make in the review. But my frustration is with how complacent Alfa as a company are, not with the car. The potential for this car to be areal class leader is there, but it's let down by poor development. And I like the separate controls, especially as the infotainment is so poor. And whilst it may not have mattered to you, how many people DIDN'T buy one because of how far behind its rivals the tech is? As I said, it is a good car, possibly even great, but its let down by the company who seem to have forgotten about it and why its so special. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@houseofcars1973Did you say you love the car in the video, or did I miss that. The sad thing is that brilliant as the Giulia Quadrifoglio is, it's never sold in the numbers that Alfa/Stellantis would have hoped, and they clearly decided that as it is about to be replaced by an all new electric Giulia, it wasn't worth spending a fortune to update the infotainment system or the rear view camera, and yes you're right some sales would have been lost as a result. However, having said that, I think the Quadrifoglio has the potential to become a future classic, unlike the current M3, RS4 or C63 models.
Two things: You’re the second person I’ve heard criticize how to defeat the turn signals. I’ve had mine for 6 years and never had a single issue turning off the turn signals. Also, I’m surprised that Alfa got rid of the Recaro seats and put in the seats from the lower tier Veloce.
Stupid and stupidier. Recaro never provided the seats. The Sparco are still available with nappa leather and alcantara. The base interior is the cheaper full leather from the Veloce.
As a QV owner I find it difficult to reconcile the criticisms of the car but agree Alfa Romeo have not supported it - had Sergio Marchionne lived I'm sure the outcome would have been much more positive. Stellantis I fear have a totally different agenda but these cars are absolutely amazing - I drive mine to Italy every year and enjoy every mile - get one while you can!
I think a big thing you're missing here by comparing it to an iPhone is that this is NOT a piece of technology, and thats the problem with modern cars. They all try to shove as much tech and convenience into the car as possible and they end up selling their soul in the process. The G80 M3 has better performance, more technology, and more updated conveniences, but the steering is dead, the interior IMO is awful, just ipad screens glued everywhere with no real design. The Giulia is more like a mechanical watch in a world of smart watches. The interior is beautifully designed to where the screen looks integrated in the design language not taped on as an afterthought. The body lines are elegant but aggressive with that snarling Alfa heritage grille. I completely disagree with you on the looks department, its gorgeous. It may not be the fastest anymore, but the steering feel is ferrari-esque. The chassis was developed by the same engineers that did the 458 Speciale. It has a double wishbone front multilink rear, 50/50 weight distribution, mechanical LSD, and a ferrari derived twin turbo V6. If you want the latest iphone, get the new M3. If you want a car with soul, character, history, and class, get the Quadrifoglio
I'm not sure you get what this video's statement is about. I love this car, truly I do, but my frustration lies with Alfa not exploring the car's potential and not delivering this driving experience with everything else that its rivals offer. It's not the car that I have an issue with. Its the manufacturer.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 the car is a product of the brand. And no believe the car, as great as it is, could be better if the brand put more into it. The basis of a great car is there, so why not develop it? Surely that is a valid point? I feel the same about how Jaguar have left the I-Pace to just meander on with no further development, and that’s another example of a great car that could be so far ahead of the competition if the manufacturer had given it more attention.
@@houseofcars1973 Not everyone wants what Alfa's rivals are offering. There's been plenty of criticism of how BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar have lost their ways. Alfa should be applauded for having priorities other than the latest in infotainment systems and a plusher interior at the expense of driving involvement and pleasure. Alfas have always appealed to a smaller, niche market than the others.
That’s not even remotely comparable, and dare I say it, you know that too. An older classic is hardly something that you can compare with a modern day car. That’s not what I’m saying either. The Alfa has to compete with modern day contemporaries like the M3, the RS4 and C63, so therefore has to be comparable. And I like the car, I do think that is getting forgotten here. I even say, it could be a great car. But Alfa Romeo just aren’t keeping up with rivals that it wants to be compared with, and even take sales from, but there is only so many people will buy a car on the romance of a badge. Others want a more modern experience and that is why the Giulia is getting left behind. It isn’t the lack of dynamics, but the everyday usability and luxuries that many people expect at this price that is costing it. It’s not a supercar that has a different set of priorities, but an everyday sports saloon that is £80k. I wouldn’t criticise a Caterham for lack of creature comforts, as that is the focus of that car. But the Alfa has to win over conquest buyers from BMW, Audi and Mercedes, as its manufacturer openly states is its competition. And unfortunately the lack of investment by that manufacturer is glaringly obvious and it tries to compensate by leaning on past glories. That’s not enough these days.
Yeah, but I am not that much into in second guessing Alfas marketing or product strategy, I care about the car. Alfa has built this now for 7 or 8 years and they didn‘t f* with the formula or facelifted it 24 times. It worked for them - the brand has been celebrated for making a gargantuan return to form with the QV and it was always clear that it would never hit the mainstream market. Alfa is a niche player. Ultimately cars like these are going to be judged not by what their infotainment looked like in 2024, but by the mark the left in the automotive world. Everything with a screen is nowadays obsolete 2-3 years later and frankly, who cares. We all have more capable phones. The QV is already today, provided petrol cars have a future, on its path to a collectors car and I doubt too many of them a really driven daily. I certainly don’t do that with mine. Thats what M3s or C63s are for. Great cars in their own right, but ultimately forgettable. And yes, the automotive enthusiast is romantic, nostalgic, cares about Nuvolari and the Mille Miglia. This car is most likely the last silly, unreasonable, loud hurrah of an era that will soon be gone and will never return.
And I have no issue with the car. I say that in the review. I think it’s a great car. But Alfa are very much in danger of being too niche and not moving with the times, which doesn’t bode well for their future as a maker of great cars. Stellantis has already said that any brand not making money will be reviewed and not necessarily kept. As was once said by my old CEO of Aston Martin, a brand that has a history without a future is just that, history. One with a future has heritage. I know what I’d rather Alfa Romeo has as I do love their cars.
The updated M3 and C63 destroyed themselves. One styled itself after a pig, the other decided to compete in 4-cylinder category 😂😂😂 Alfa saw that and decided no need to change what's not broken 😂😂😂
Thank you for an honest review. I think this is a beautiful looking car, probably the best looking 4 door saloon of all time. I don't think it is quite up there with dynamics and balance as an M3.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 90% of motoring journalists and car channel owners think so. It seems my opinion is massively echoed, and you are in a tiny minority. So, to just type 'that is simply not true' without any opinion, any evidence, and proof, that your opinion is correct, just makes you look like a pathetic, whiny, loser.
Essentially completely different cars - M3 far stiffer effectively starts where the QV finishes with suspension settings, you'll either be a fan of one or the other I think but having owned an M4 comp and the QV its the QV I still miss every day.
@@SplawnQROD Yes I agree to some extent. They are not 'completely different' cars though, they are both 4 door saloons, from different manufacturers, but both as the highest end of the sporting models from each. They are absolutely rivals and very similar. To compare a QV with a 911, yes they are completely different cars, but the M3 is a very similar rival. Both fantastic cars, but with 'slightly' different advantages. The fact you miss the Alfa more, is simply down to your preference and emotional attachment to that particular car, because for you personally, it fitted your requirements in a better way. My last car was a tuned M140i 455bhp/634nm, I now own an OG M2. I would argue the M2 is a better car, but only because I value cornering ability, superior damping, and traction over the M140i's advantages which were faster in a straight line, easier to live with for a daily driver, smoothness, etc. These might be the attributes other owners favour, and would argue the M2 is too stiff, too noisy, etc.
I had to stop watching at the five minute mark, when he said the Giulia isn't as good looking as the 159. Yawn, just another Alfa basher ranting away. Oh, and it's pronounced "Qua-dri-fo-lio"; the "g" is silent.
Shame you didn’t stay for me saying how great the car is. Never mind, obviously other people aren’t allowed to have different viewpoints when it comes to how a car looks. Thanks for giving it a try anyway..
I agree it’s better than most of the rivals in the class, but my point was it wasn’t as good looking as the 159 that it replaced. In always thought that was a near perfect looking saloon car. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated.
Yes, the infotainment is not up to date, but at least the HVAC and radio controls are done by knobs, which makes more sense than having to fool around with digital screens while driving. What are your priorities - infotainment tech or driving the car?
I have a Giulia QV with 95k miles and it’s just perfect for driving. I liked your interior review. TBH tho whoever buys this for the interior bells and whistles is missing the point. Buy this car if you live to drive 💯
A good, but superficial and subjective review. You must be the only reviewer to not have mentioned the V6 is derived from the Ferrari F154 V8 or that this has a steel roof (exposed carbon is an option) and downgraded leather trim. Agree that this feels like an atmo engine and that the LSD is a dynamic improvement. Suspension modes can be varied both in Race and Dynamic. Instruments graphics can be changed via the tip of the right stalk and up to iDrive 6, BMW had less customisation actually. Disagree the standard brakes have good feel (fly-by-wire works best with the optional CCBs) and the back seat does split 40/20/40 not 60/40.
All QVs had carbon fiber roofs until around 2022 (need to fact check when it changed) when CF roofs were only available with the clear option. They had quietly discontinued the standard painted CF roof. The QV nappa leather / Alcantara seats are very comfortable and supportive at the same time. That seat and the CF seats distinguished it from the non-QV Giulia. Sad that the regular leather sport seats because the standard QV seats. Standard brakes had no feel when coming to the last two feet to a full stop. BTW the QV had non-folding rear seats in the first few years. Really love the fold down seats and pass through.
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"Golf sticks"??? no, no, no, no. They're "Golf bats".
Hey, i'm an aspiring car journalist and I was wondering how you can manage to get all these cars in your videos to review. I'd love to know how to start!
Although this is a fairly new channel, I’ve been a motoring journalist for a few years now with another channel, so I’ve built a relationship with many press offices across many manufacturers. Prior to this, I was a car salesman for nearly 30 years so my approach with my channel is very much focussed towards actual buyers rather than just crating content. It’s a slow start, but it depends on what you want to do. If you want to write, for instance, you need to get yourself noticed by some editors. If you have access to a car, write an interesting piece on that (even if it’s not a supercar, or classic car, it doesn’t matter. If it’s a Ford Focus, create an article about why that model was important to Ford, or how it’s development was different to any of it’s predecessors - find a hook that makes your article stand out). You’ll need to be good at taking rejection, as it happens a lot. It did to me. But once in, you will get access to knowledge and help through the others in the same job. We can be a friendly bunch! If you are in a fortunate position to not need much money, offer to help for free. Many magazines mind need someone to help out on road tests cleaning press cars for photo shoots. That can sometimes be a good way in too. If you are interested in creating video content, then it can be easier to start on your own, but you have to find a way of standing out in a very crowded space. Hence why I do longer, more detailed videos. It costs me subscribers, but the manufacturers like what I do as it’s geared towards actual car buyers. And they can see their return on investment with press cars as I can document viewers who have bought cars because of my reviews. It’s hard work, and it’s not an overnight success. But if you’re passionate about it and can make it interesting then it can be very rewarding. Just don’t expect to get handed the keys to a Ferrari on your first week! Let me know if I can help any further. Bryan.
@@houseofcars1973 Never expected this much help and I can't thank you enough! I'd love to get into this space in some way or another to then pursue my real dream of being able to work with cool cars in the future. I'm just not really sure on where to start to build relationships with press offices because I live in Italy and I've honestly never heard about press cars here. But I'm sure there's a way to build a strong enough network to have a chance at this.
@@houseofcars1973 I didn't expect this reply, and I seriously can't thank you enough for the time you put into it. The part that sounds the hardest for me right now is understanding how to build a strong network of relationships with press offices. I live in Italy and I don't think I've ever heard about press cars being, for example, handed out to people to review. However I'm pretty sure that there's a way, I just need to find which one is the best. Thank you so much again!
I would love one! I have owned 2 Alfas, a 156 SW and a 147 and have driven Fiat/Abarths for 20 years. The frustration is that Fiat/Abarth/Alfa launch a car, they stop developing it. Its like they say, we've done that and move on. They start, in the UK anyway, to not really bother promoting the cars very much and this leads to disinterest at the dealers. We had 4 Abarths, each better than the last with engine and suspension improvements, but they couldn't be bothered to tell anyone. Alfa let the Mito and Giuletta wither away, with little promotion and latterly weak engines, they seem to be doing the same with the Giulia and Stelvio and the marketing on the Tonale has been non existent (Could this be because it was developed before Stellantis?) I'd love another Alfa, not sure about the Tonale and the Junior is too small. Renault have managed to turn it around and Stellantis have managed to sell lots of Vauxhalls, so come on, get on with doing a proper job!
You've hit the nail on the head!!! Imagine how good this car would be if they really properly developed it? I used to work in a dealership where we had an Alfa franchise, and the MiTo and Giuletta were exactly the sambas you alluded to. Launch them - forget about them. Then wonder why the dealers aren't selling them!!! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
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It's a shame that after 8yrs Alfa decided to drop the very obvious and widely acknowledged silent 'g' making anyone who now pronounced the name sound like a complete... bell-housen-end.
@@houseofcars1973 it is moot because you credit the mid setting or soft setting on the suspension for not causing interference from the traction control and ESP safety system which is off in the race setting
@@robertpawley5715 I think you’ve misunderstood. My point is, you switch the car into Race mode, this disabling the traction and ESC, but put the dampers into their mid setting to allow greater wheel movement and therefore contact with the road so you don’t need to rely on the stability systems. By having more wheel travel, the wheel will stay in contact with the road enough, so it’s a passive system adhered to by physics, not electronics.
@@robertpawley5715 when the car is in race mode you can put the suspension in the middle settings. The only thing changes is the demper settings. It doesn't change anything else so the nanny's stay off.
Dont you find it amazing that alfa can produce 520 bhp from a 2.9 v6.while bmw can only do it with a 4.0 you say owners dont want alfa romeos history. Sorry your talking garbage. Shows me that you dont know anything about this marque
That is not what I said. I said buyers coming into this market don't prioritise history. Research shows that 70% of new buyers these days don't place any emphasis on brand loyalty or marque history. They care more about sustainability and connectivity. So, I'm sorry, but I do know what I am talking about as I have been talking about it since I started in the motor trade over 30 years ago. I also used to work for a dealership who had the Alfa Romeo franchise, so I have been around the brand at the sales front. *_Enthusiasts_* of a brand, such as Alfa Romeo, do care, but that's the difference. Alfa need to appeal to more than just enthusiasts to sell cars. If they didn't, why would they be selling SUVs and crossovers now instead of sports cars and sports saloons? And the message in this video is getting lost a bit. I LOVE this car. But I am frustrated that Alfa Romeo aren't doing more with it to win more sales from BMW and Audi. There are parts of it that seem half-hearted, rather than looking into what might make it an absolute class winner. Yes, it has a great engine, I agree. But it needs more than that to win conquest business. Even Ferrari know that you can't just trade on a glamorous name and a sporting heritage. They push the envelope when it comes to engineering, development and design whilst still talking about new materials, better technology and new models to appeal to new markets.. That is what brings new people into your business. Not just talking about what you used to be like as a manufacturer, and how great the old days were. Let's start talking about what the brand is doing for the future, and finding new customers. That's my point.
What in the hell are you talking about with th exterior design of the Giulia? Thismcar looks 10 times better than the159 alfa. I TOTALLY DISAGREE WTH YOR ASSESSMENT of this car.
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You just need to look at it more & you'll find those excellent details & proportions that you miss. LSD is better than E-diff? In what conditions? I almost fell off from a roundabout because I thought I was in D. I was in N. Back to the same roundabout in D mode, turning in on throttle my Q beautifully turned in. No thanks I prefer E-diff all the way!
@@salemgx1963 e-diff: makes the car more sensual to drive, if you drive it hard on the track it could overheat. E-diff works as an open diff below 30mph for safety & to prevent unnecessary wear. LSD: it's just a simple limited slip diff, mechanical, when one of the real wheels slips the lsd directs the torque to the other wheel. The e-diff is much more than that. electronically controlled clutches, which divert the torque by your steering wheel, throttle inputs. The e-diff in the Giulia Q made by ZF. AR thrown away the software & created a AR software which is much better. E-diff works in D & Race mode in the Giulia Q. Once, I almost fall into the bush when I was in N but I thought I was in D with e-diff support. E-diff all the way! LSD introduced in Giulia Q for cost saving.
@@pplaciii absolute rubbish. The new mechanical diff is *not* a cost saving measure because they also revised the suspension setup closer to GTA. Only first generation Giulia owners make ignorant claims. Alfa Romeo's original e-diff was good in theory, but not in practice even on the GTA. Inconsistent and overheating if heavily used. The mechanical diff has brought to life a more natural setup and machine, which every professional reviewer has rated the best in this generation Giulia.
@@nessuno5403 What do you mean on first generations of Giulias? There were 3+ smaller facelifts with ediff. What do you mean on revised suspension setup closer to the GTA? I know the answer. Do you? "every professional reviewer has rated the best in this generation Giulia" Those are the reviewers who say the Giulia Q has a Ferrari engine? ( Giulias don't have Ferrari engine ) :D Best in what sense? Who is a professional reviewer? During the evolution of the Giulias & Giulia Quadrifoglios there were several cost cuttings from time to time. Restricted interia and exteria colors / stiching colors & material selection, no more alcantara seat only leather ( TI ) & carbon bucket seat with alcantara. No more carbon roof as standard it's an optional extra now. On the other hand the later generation of Giulias are more grown up cars, more relaxed, more consumable for the mass not as sharp as the earlier versions. Do you think it's not cost cutting to replace ediff with lsd? To fix the issues with ediff they would have to pay software engineers to update the ediff software, do extensive testing to validate the software changes, negotiate with ZF to add extra cooling for the ediff for a small production product. This is costly. There is more complexity here. Replacing the ediff with an existing lsd: Stellantis already had lsd-s which work reliably. There is no active component in these, these are much more simple. In your view Ferrari going backwards since they replaced their lsd-s with ediff a long time ago? Have you driven both ediff & lsd Giulia Q? How did it feel?
@@pplaciii you write too much and are clearly poorly informed 😃 First gen = 2016 to 2023 (up to Series 3). Last facelift (Series 4 and 5) with new LSD has software and hardware revisions from GTA and it is a lighter setup too. Professional reviewers? I'm guessing you're American or British and clueless about those in the motherland of Alfa: Quattroruote, MotorOne (IT), AutoMoto etc.. Not your TH-cam jockeys. They all confirm this last update is the dynamic pinnacle of the Tipo 952 and you mentioning those clowns saying the V6 (without referring to its 690T code) is a Ferrari engine proves how superficial your knowledge is 😉 The mechanical revisions on this facelift were not a cost cutting exercise.
One of the problems this car has now is the new G87 M2. It now delivers 470PS matched to the same 8 speed, or even a manual if this is your preference. The M2 also has an interior and tech that is a clear generation ahead of the Alfa. And I know that people will comment about the looks of the M2 versus the Alfa, but looks are very subjective. I like the look of the M2, but don't actually like the QV nearly as much.
This and the M3 were in my shortlist. But I eventually ordered this over the M3 as here in Singapore, the QV is S$400k while the M3 is S$600k. Its a no brainer decision....
Finally got to the end of the review. I suppose Alfa cared for this car for those buyers that mattered. Those buyers who didnt matter wont have cared about this car anyway. The Junior, Tonale are created for the latter segment of buyers...
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Don't agree with you on exterior design - the new Giulia looks even better than the 159.
Yes agreed. And the side profile is my favorite part of the Giulia. I think he’s stuck on nostalgic aspects of the 159.
@@isaiahpolobro America didn't get the Alfa 159; they were out-of-market here at that time.
@@isaiahpolobro I think he's just stuck, period.
@@davidturgeon2087 or just has a different viewpoint. Interesting thought that……..
Over an M3? Any day!
I got one .. my friend has a new M3. Every time I am happy that I didn’t go for the M3. Even my friend agrees that the alfa is the one that makes you smile.
And not a pretty car ? … you are right … it is bloody gorgeous!
I got the Stelvio Q aswell as the daily for the misses
I will be getting a new Q next year.. because it will be the last of the true petrol Alfa’s …with the carbon seats
bravo
@@Stelvisti totally agree!
@@Stelvisti I got the loudest MY18 with the direct steering.
The Stelvio on your channel? Thats a 4 pot.
Had 3 m3s over a 10 year period. Loved them , e46 and 2 e92s. Own a qv now with 2 years. The qv is a different type of machine entirely.. its like driving a supercar with 4 doors in race mode. Precision, agility, power delivery and traction are all very special. In normal mode its under the radar, economical, quiet , practical. Rides beautifully in all modes. Its an incredibly complete car.
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Is there a big difference between e-LSD and M-LSD? Last month I was searching and wanted to buy a 2018 one but I just discovered this now that 2024 has Mechanical diff , and 2018 has e-LSD
@@salemgx1963 my car is a 2019 with the e diff. It’s has huge traction but is far more of a gripper than a slider. I think the mechanical diff will give you a more of a drift style back axle , like an m3. The e diff is amazing at getting the power to the road though
Never understand how car reviewers mispronounce "Quadrifoglio." There are dozens of people who have reviewed this prior, just look it up.
QV over M3 every day. Drove both. Interior/ technology is better in M3. When it comes to driving, there is no comparison.
You want to enjoy interior and tech or you buy supersalon for driving prepuces? Your choice.
Look is subjective.
But imagine how good the QV COULD be if it had been developed and honed over the years like the M3? That's my point. It's a great car that has just been left to meander along rather than Alfa properly getting behind it. They tried with eat GTA/M but even that has been forgotten about now.
Yes I agree. It’s really a shame that they did not put more effort in it. I am really surprised.
Also around look, M3 looks more mean to me, although QV is more rear on roads and it maybe draws attention, but I would like it to be more “ mean”
@@natan17nx Yeah, nothing like driving a mean beaver. As to "putting more effort into it", the car doesn't need it. If the design and engineering is good from the start, why change it? If you need 'better tech' or more lashings of leather, you're not an Alfista.
@@houseofcars1973 We all know that when Marchione died, the Alfa support within Stellantis died with him. Of course the Giulia should have been developed further over the years. It's a tragedy that this car has been essentially ignored by its manufacturer. That said, I'd still buy this over the M3.
Sexiest sports sedan on the planet, insanely fast too. The last petrol models will be future classics. ❤
To make it short on this debate, if you want all the tech, all the gizmos on your car go for a BMW or an Audi. If you want to drive to put a smile on your face and it looks amazing, buy an Alfa Romeo as simple as that. Alfa has never been one for the tech it has always been about the driving experience and the mechanical side of things. That's why the majority of people buy Alfa's for those very reasons.
3 years of owning a Stelvio Quadrifolgio, and the infotainment system has never been an issue - yes, it's not all bells and whistles and flashy, but an Alfa is a drivers car, focussed on the driving experience, feel, emotion. If you really want the latest in infotainment, stick with the less engaging, less soul-stirring German cars.
I have the 2 litre Veloce in misano blue and have to say that the amount of goodwill this car generates is ridiculous - everyone loves it! I have men giving me thumbs up on the motorway, little boys pointing at it and women admiring its curves, it has a feel good factor. I can't imagine this to be the case with the competition. The reason i bought the car was the fact it's a proper driving machine, rear wheel drive, etc, but the attention certainly is a nice bonus!
I'm also glad alfa haven't changed the styling much between facelifts, it would be easy to ruin the looks with silly spoilers. Also grateful for no haptic buttons, no ipad on the dash and spotify/google maps that work really well. Just a great machine.
How many times has he said it's not a bad looking car😂
He's blind, sir.
It's gorgeous.
The giulia and quadrifoglio is a classic. Its stunning these reveiws always sway over to German garbage. The guilia is a masterpiece a drivers car these reveiws they need to read up I've owned 17 alfas 34 Italian cars in total.along with around 120 other makes .this reviewer hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
I certainly wouldn’t agree with this review… an outstanding car
Sorry, have I not made it clear that I love this car? In the verdict I say this is (and I’m quoting) “a good car, it might even be a great car”. Is that me saying that it’s no good? My beef is with Alfa not developing the car further than it did. It would be a class leader on all counts if it had. But the fact is, whilst we all live the way it drives, there are frustrations with it that mean that the likes of the BMW M3 are better when it comes to the technological developments as BMW understand that they have to continually meet even more the demands of its customers. Alfa just don’t seem to have bothered. Why does it not have a better infotainment system? If this system was in a £40k family hatchback, everyone would criticise it.
So why shouldn’t I be as critical when we are talking about an £80k sports saloon?
@@houseofcars1973 Because no one buys an Alfa for an infotainment system. The car is the entertainment system. If you don't get that, then you don't get Alfa. Alfa should be commended for still building cars for people who like to drive, not cocoon in a rolling sensory deprivation chamber.
You can still have a car that is great to drive and offers modern technology that people now want, and dare I suggest expect, in a car costing this much. It doesn’t detract from the driving experience at all, but when it comes to modern conveniences that we find make our every day lives more convenient, that is where this car falters. It’s a great car to drive, and I say so in the review. I love it, I truly do, but it could be, and should be, better if Alfa just developed it more. And that’s my point at the end. A great car, but has to remain the alternative choice rather than the definitive choice as the others in the class offer more in terms of ease of use and convenience the majority of the time. If Alfa are to survive, they need to step their game up and stop trying to sell cars on the romance of the past. The world has changed and people don’t always care about the past. Especially when spending £80k. And the Giulia deserves to be sold in bigger numbers, QV or not, because it’s a good car.
This is a fair review, and properly calls out Alfa for some of the technology and fit and finish issues. I have a 2024 Giulia QV “Carbonio Edition”. This trim addresses the exterior trim mismatch by including carbon fiber mirror caps, roof, and grille insert. However it should be noted the M3 has the same issue. You can add an exterior carbon fiber package but it’s something like 7 grand CAD. You can’t get a CF hood or prop shaft with the M3 at all. And the latter is standard on every trim of the Giulia.
I tested the M3, RS 5 and C63 (V8) against the Alfa and for me it wasn’t much of a contest as I prioritized driving engagement and looks over other considerations.
That said, after a few months I have to say I would have liked AWD for the ability to push it harder in weather that is not 20+ degrees C and sunny. Aside from that the tech is completely fine for my needs. It’s the lack of configurability that is really unfortunate. With the M3 you can choose from hundreds of exterior colours and a good half dozen or so interior colour schemes. I would have loved to see a Giulia QV in Visconti Green and tan interior for example.
But aside from these relatively minor gripes I do really think it’s a better car than the M3 from drivers perspective. Interesting you mention the M3 is more bombastic. I agree, but only to the extent that it’s significantly stiffer even in softer settings. The engine tone to me is more muted, and the steering is really quite dead.
So overall again I think a fair review, but I think you glossed over some of the real downsides to the G80, RS 4/5 and especially C63 that really make the Alfa stand out.
For the G80 it’s obviously looks, but also that tacky screen on the dash just looks terrible. The steering is also very numb Arguably the car culture around M3s is a lot more boyracer as well. As a daily, the M3 is also too stiff on many roads for longer drives.
The Audis all understeer, have that terrible variable steering rack (outside of the competition models) , are significantly down on power and overall are dynamically quite inferior to the Alfa.
The Mercedes is now I think objectively the worst car in this class. It’s not just that it has a 4 cylinder. It’s that they clearly haven’t figured out how to make this drivetrain work. Many reviews have noted that you can press the accelerator and wait a full 2-3 seconds before the car figures out what you’re wanting to do and gives you power. It feels heavy, the battery takes up a lot of space in the trunk and it sounds terrible. They aren’t selling.
So, for the enthusiast, someone who prioritizes sheer driving enjoyment, the Alfa is really the only choice. You can’t get steering like this in any car until you get to Porsche and Ferrari. It’s got soul, is unique and I do think it’s gorgeous. It’s not perfect. But I think its competitors are much further from being perfect than it is.
Agree with everything you said, except the part about it being a fair review. A fair review judges the car on its own merits not on the merits of others. Clearly, choices were made in the design, engineering and development of the Giulia Quad. A whiz-bang infotainment system and interior appointments better than my living room just weren't among them.
@@davidturgeon2087 I disagree slightly. I think it needs to take other cars into account as well. When it was released in 2016 the infotainment wasn’t the best thing on the market but it wasn’t bad.
It really only feels old when compared to its competitors NOW who are one generation newer. But it still drives better.
The Carbonio Edition does nothing to address the outside. The diffuser still isn't carbon and, if anything, it adds more mistmatched carbon throughout. It's just a Quadrifoglio with some eye candy to move stock as were the gold calipers.
@@nessuno5403 yeah and what’s your point? It’s a fantastic car and the calipers and red leather look incredible.
@@AP-cc1uw point is, you like to talk tripe 😃 Oh, yeah, the Q100 and original Quadrifoglio or those with Sparco seats have the more premium nappa leather interior instead, instead of your lower-grade from the 4 cylinder models. Thanks for the reminder 😉
I owned a 2019 Giulia QF, sold it a year ago, still miss it. I find myself very emotionally involved with the car. Sold it because its warranty was expiring and there is no one near me who can fix it, should it break. BTW never had a single problem in 36,000 miles of driving with some track time.
Yes, that's always been Alfa's weakest link -- their dealer network, or to be more specific, their lack thereof. I had the same issue back in the day with my Milano Quadrifoglio Verde. Loved the car and its Busso V-6, but sold it soon after Alfa packed their bags and quit the N.A. market. There was no one left to service or repair it and if there were, who wants to wait for parts to arrive from Italy?
It really annoys when people refer to the drive mode as "Normal" when it's "Natural". It might be a small point but get your facts right. Beauty is very subjective but I think it's a truly beautiful design, and hasn't changed much over the years because the designers got it spot on when it was first launched. I think it's a fantastic car which looks great, has practicality, good fuel economy in Advanced Efficiency and great to drive whether fast or sedately. I agree that the infotainment system isn't great but does it really matter? I much prefer having separate knobs for the AC controls, and not having to dive into screen menus to get them. Finally, you have exclusivity with a Giulia Quadrifoglio which you don't get with it's German rivals. Most importantly it is easy to live with on a daily basis. Does it really matter if it doesn't have 35 shades of ambient lighting?! I personally don't think so. I have a model year 2022 Quadrifoglio and personally prefer the look of the old style headlights and the analogue dials. It was a great car when it was launched and it's a great car now.
You are correct, it is natural, and I apologise. I should have known that given that I worked for a dealership where we had Alfa Romeo next door and I was there when the MiTo came out with the "dna" toggle. My error.
Now you did get the fact that I love this car, didn't; you? And yes, it is easy to live with, a fact that I make in the review. But my frustration is with how complacent Alfa as a company are, not with the car. The potential for this car to be areal class leader is there, but it's let down by poor development. And I like the separate controls, especially as the infotainment is so poor. And whilst it may not have mattered to you, how many people DIDN'T buy one because of how far behind its rivals the tech is? As I said, it is a good car, possibly even great, but its let down by the company who seem to have forgotten about it and why its so special.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@houseofcars1973Did you say you love the car in the video, or did I miss that. The sad thing is that brilliant as the Giulia Quadrifoglio is, it's never sold in the numbers that Alfa/Stellantis would have hoped, and they clearly decided that as it is about to be replaced by an all new electric Giulia, it wasn't worth spending a fortune to update the infotainment system or the rear view camera, and yes you're right some sales would have been lost as a result. However, having said that, I think the Quadrifoglio has the potential to become a future classic, unlike the current M3, RS4 or C63 models.
@@majorgifytotally agree.
The grilles are plastic… like every other car😂
Two things: You’re the second person I’ve heard criticize how to defeat the turn signals. I’ve had mine for 6 years and never had a single issue turning off the turn signals. Also, I’m surprised that Alfa got rid of the Recaro seats and put in the seats from the lower tier Veloce.
Stupid and stupidier. Recaro never provided the seats. The Sparco are still available with nappa leather and alcantara. The base interior is the cheaper full leather from the Veloce.
As a QV owner I find it difficult to reconcile the criticisms of the car but agree Alfa Romeo have not supported it - had Sergio Marchionne lived I'm sure the outcome would have been much more positive. Stellantis I fear have a totally different agenda but these cars are absolutely amazing - I drive mine to Italy every year and enjoy every mile - get one while you can!
I think a big thing you're missing here by comparing it to an iPhone is that this is NOT a piece of technology, and thats the problem with modern cars. They all try to shove as much tech and convenience into the car as possible and they end up selling their soul in the process. The G80 M3 has better performance, more technology, and more updated conveniences, but the steering is dead, the interior IMO is awful, just ipad screens glued everywhere with no real design.
The Giulia is more like a mechanical watch in a world of smart watches. The interior is beautifully designed to where the screen looks integrated in the design language not taped on as an afterthought. The body lines are elegant but aggressive with that snarling Alfa heritage grille. I completely disagree with you on the looks department, its gorgeous.
It may not be the fastest anymore, but the steering feel is ferrari-esque. The chassis was developed by the same engineers that did the 458 Speciale. It has a double wishbone front multilink rear, 50/50 weight distribution, mechanical LSD, and a ferrari derived twin turbo V6.
If you want the latest iphone, get the new M3. If you want a car with soul, character, history, and class, get the Quadrifoglio
Exactly!!
Sorry for you, but i love Alfa Romeo, you must drive a Trabant, this is at your level.
I'm not sure you get what this video's statement is about. I love this car, truly I do, but my frustration lies with Alfa not exploring the car's potential and not delivering this driving experience with everything else that its rivals offer. It's not the car that I have an issue with. Its the manufacturer.
@houseofcars1973 Are you reviewing the car, or the brand, in this video? Honestly.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 the car is a product of the brand. And no believe the car, as great as it is, could be better if the brand put more into it. The basis of a great car is there, so why not develop it? Surely that is a valid point? I feel the same about how Jaguar have left the I-Pace to just meander on with no further development, and that’s another example of a great car that could be so far ahead of the competition if the manufacturer had given it more attention.
@@houseofcars1973Sure. Ok. Cheers.
@@houseofcars1973 Not everyone wants what Alfa's rivals are offering. There's been plenty of criticism of how BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar have lost their ways. Alfa should be applauded for having priorities other than the latest in infotainment systems and a plusher interior at the expense of driving involvement and pleasure. Alfas have always appealed to a smaller, niche market than the others.
I always ask my Scottish friends to repeat the words “Bulgar Alarm” for a laugh. Now, I have a new word and that is “Quadrofoglio”. 😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂
I have a QV. Love it. Only lasted 10 minutes.
But then you missed me saying how I think it’s a great car.
Thank you for watching that 10 minutes though.
You beat me by five.
Holy smokes, I better sell my 512TR quickly and swap it for an M3, so I can enjoy it’s infotainment system.
That’s not even remotely comparable, and dare I say it, you know that too. An older classic is hardly something that you can compare with a modern day car. That’s not what I’m saying either. The Alfa has to compete with modern day contemporaries like the M3, the RS4 and C63, so therefore has to be comparable. And I like the car, I do think that is getting forgotten here. I even say, it could be a great car. But Alfa Romeo just aren’t keeping up with rivals that it wants to be compared with, and even take sales from, but there is only so many people will buy a car on the romance of a badge. Others want a more modern experience and that is why the Giulia is getting left behind. It isn’t the lack of dynamics, but the everyday usability and luxuries that many people expect at this price that is costing it. It’s not a supercar that has a different set of priorities, but an everyday sports saloon that is £80k. I wouldn’t criticise a Caterham for lack of creature comforts, as that is the focus of that car. But the Alfa has to win over conquest buyers from BMW, Audi and Mercedes, as its manufacturer openly states is its competition. And unfortunately the lack of investment by that manufacturer is glaringly obvious and it tries to compensate by leaning on past glories. That’s not enough these days.
Yeah, but I am not that much into in second guessing Alfas marketing or product strategy, I care about the car. Alfa has built this now for 7 or 8 years and they didn‘t f* with the formula or facelifted it 24 times.
It worked for them - the brand has been celebrated for making a gargantuan return to form with the QV and it was always clear that it would never hit the mainstream market. Alfa is a niche player.
Ultimately cars like these are going to be judged not by what their infotainment looked like in 2024, but by the mark the left in the automotive world. Everything with a screen is nowadays obsolete 2-3 years later and frankly, who cares. We all have more capable phones.
The QV is already today, provided petrol cars have a future, on its path to a collectors car and I doubt too many of them a really driven daily. I certainly don’t do that with mine. Thats what M3s or C63s are for. Great cars in their own right, but ultimately forgettable.
And yes, the automotive enthusiast is romantic, nostalgic, cares about Nuvolari and the Mille Miglia. This car is most likely the last silly, unreasonable, loud hurrah of an era that will soon be gone and will never return.
And I have no issue with the car. I say that in the review. I think it’s a great car. But Alfa are very much in danger of being too niche and not moving with the times, which doesn’t bode well for their future as a maker of great cars. Stellantis has already said that any brand not making money will be reviewed and not necessarily kept. As was once said by my old CEO of Aston Martin, a brand that has a history without a future is just that, history. One with a future has heritage. I know what I’d rather Alfa Romeo has as I do love their cars.
The updated M3 and C63 destroyed themselves. One styled itself after a pig, the other decided to compete in 4-cylinder category 😂😂😂
Alfa saw that and decided no need to change what's not broken 😂😂😂
Thank you for an honest review.
I think this is a beautiful looking car, probably the best looking 4 door saloon of all time.
I don't think it is quite up there with dynamics and balance as an M3.
Well. Simply not true.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 90% of motoring journalists and car channel owners think so.
It seems my opinion is massively echoed, and you are in a tiny minority.
So, to just type 'that is simply not true' without any opinion, any evidence, and proof, that your opinion is correct, just makes you look like a pathetic, whiny, loser.
Essentially completely different cars - M3 far stiffer effectively starts where the QV finishes with suspension settings, you'll either be a fan of one or the other I think but having owned an M4 comp and the QV its the QV I still miss every day.
@@SplawnQROD Yes I agree to some extent. They are not 'completely different' cars though, they are both 4 door saloons, from different manufacturers, but both as the highest end of the sporting models from each.
They are absolutely rivals and very similar.
To compare a QV with a 911, yes they are completely different cars, but the M3 is a very similar rival.
Both fantastic cars, but with 'slightly' different advantages. The fact you miss the Alfa more, is simply down to your preference and emotional attachment to that particular car, because for you personally, it fitted your requirements in a better way.
My last car was a tuned M140i 455bhp/634nm, I now own an OG M2. I would argue the M2 is a better car, but only because I value cornering ability, superior damping, and traction over the M140i's advantages which were faster in a straight line, easier to live with for a daily driver, smoothness, etc. These might be the attributes other owners favour, and would argue the M2 is too stiff, too noisy, etc.
I had to stop watching at the five minute mark, when he said the Giulia isn't as good looking as the 159. Yawn, just another Alfa basher ranting away. Oh, and it's pronounced "Qua-dri-fo-lio"; the "g" is silent.
Shame you didn’t stay for me saying how great the car is. Never mind, obviously other people aren’t allowed to have different viewpoints when it comes to how a car looks. Thanks for giving it a try anyway..
Forza Alfa Romeo 💯🇮🇹🍀💓🥰 The Best Car 4ever Alfista 💪
No cooled seats, no HUD etc etc But a great car!
I stopped watching when you pronounced the G in the quadrifoglio
That’s a shame. You missed the rest of the review over something a little bit silly. Ah well.
@@houseofcars1973 well if you haven't done enough research to pronounce the name of the car you are reviewing in a correct way you lose credibility
@@jean_mora I’ll live with what little I have left.
@houseofcars1973 😂. That was funny.
@@houseofcars1973 I guess you'll have to.
I own a 2017 Diesel deffo have over a 3 series or A4 disagree on your view on its look best looking Alfa ever and much better looking than it's rivals
I agree it’s better than most of the rivals in the class, but my point was it wasn’t as good looking as the 159 that it replaced. In always thought that was a near perfect looking saloon car.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated.
Yes, the infotainment is not up to date, but at least the HVAC and radio controls are done by knobs, which makes more sense than having to fool around with digital screens while driving. What are your priorities - infotainment tech or driving the car?
When did I criticise it having separate HVAC controls?
@@houseofcars1973 You didn't, but some of its competitors expect drivers to go to the infotainment screen for simple adjustments..
@@rlsedition oh, I see! Apologies.
Tried the M3/4 but glass cockpit is just too much
I've convinced the fiancée so this will definitely be my next car. Pockets aren't deep enough for a 2024 though. But will be happy with a 2017 or 18
I have a Giulia QV with 95k miles and it’s just perfect for driving. I liked your interior review. TBH tho whoever buys this for the interior bells and whistles is missing the point. Buy this car if you live to drive 💯
Alfa quad all day they are unique & rare what a car it is smiles per gallon everyone & their brothers have BMW
A good, but superficial and subjective review. You must be the only reviewer to not have mentioned the V6 is derived from the Ferrari F154 V8 or that this has a steel roof (exposed carbon is an option) and downgraded leather trim. Agree that this feels like an atmo engine and that the LSD is a dynamic improvement. Suspension modes can be varied both in Race and Dynamic. Instruments graphics can be changed via the tip of the right stalk and up to iDrive 6, BMW had less customisation actually. Disagree the standard brakes have good feel (fly-by-wire works best with the optional CCBs) and the back seat does split 40/20/40 not 60/40.
All QVs had carbon fiber roofs until around 2022 (need to fact check when it changed) when CF roofs were only available with the clear option. They had quietly discontinued the standard painted CF roof. The QV nappa leather / Alcantara seats are very comfortable and supportive at the same time. That seat and the CF seats distinguished it from the non-QV Giulia. Sad that the regular leather sport seats because the standard QV seats. Standard brakes had no feel when coming to the last two feet to a full stop. BTW the QV had non-folding rear seats in the first few years. Really love the fold down seats and pass through.
"Golf sticks"??? no, no, no, no. They're "Golf bats".
Hey, i'm an aspiring car journalist and I was wondering how you can manage to get all these cars in your videos to review. I'd love to know how to start!
Although this is a fairly new channel, I’ve been a motoring journalist for a few years now with another channel, so I’ve built a relationship with many press offices across many manufacturers. Prior to this, I was a car salesman for nearly 30 years so my approach with my channel is very much focussed towards actual buyers rather than just crating content.
It’s a slow start, but it depends on what you want to do. If you want to write, for instance, you need to get yourself noticed by some editors. If you have access to a car, write an interesting piece on that (even if it’s not a supercar, or classic car, it doesn’t matter. If it’s a Ford Focus, create an article about why that model was important to Ford, or how it’s development was different to any of it’s predecessors - find a hook that makes your article stand out). You’ll need to be good at taking rejection, as it happens a lot. It did to me. But once in, you will get access to knowledge and help through the others in the same job. We can be a friendly bunch! If you are in a fortunate position to not need much money, offer to help for free. Many magazines mind need someone to help out on road tests cleaning press cars for photo shoots. That can sometimes be a good way in too.
If you are interested in creating video content, then it can be easier to start on your own, but you have to find a way of standing out in a very crowded space. Hence why I do longer, more detailed videos. It costs me subscribers, but the manufacturers like what I do as it’s geared towards actual car buyers. And they can see their return on investment with press cars as I can document viewers who have bought cars because of my reviews.
It’s hard work, and it’s not an overnight success. But if you’re passionate about it and can make it interesting then it can be very rewarding. Just don’t expect to get handed the keys to a Ferrari on your first week!
Let me know if I can help any further.
Bryan.
@@houseofcars1973 Never expected this much help and I can't thank you enough! I'd love to get into this space in some way or another to then pursue my real dream of being able to work with cool cars in the future. I'm just not really sure on where to start to build relationships with press offices because I live in Italy and I've honestly never heard about press cars here. But I'm sure there's a way to build a strong enough network to have a chance at this.
@@houseofcars1973 I didn't expect this reply, and I seriously can't thank you enough for the time you put into it. The part that sounds the hardest for me right now is understanding how to build a strong network of relationships with press offices. I live in Italy and I don't think I've ever heard about press cars being, for example, handed out to people to review. However I'm pretty sure that there's a way, I just need to find which one is the best. Thank you so much again!
I would love one!
I have owned 2 Alfas, a 156 SW and a 147 and have driven Fiat/Abarths for 20 years.
The frustration is that Fiat/Abarth/Alfa launch a car, they stop developing it.
Its like they say, we've done that and move on.
They start, in the UK anyway, to not really bother promoting the cars very much and this leads to disinterest at the dealers.
We had 4 Abarths, each better than the last with engine and suspension improvements, but they couldn't be bothered to tell anyone.
Alfa let the Mito and Giuletta wither away, with little promotion and latterly weak engines, they seem to be doing the same with the Giulia and Stelvio and the marketing on the Tonale has been non existent (Could this be because it was developed before Stellantis?)
I'd love another Alfa, not sure about the Tonale and the Junior is too small.
Renault have managed to turn it around and Stellantis have managed to sell lots of Vauxhalls, so come on, get on with doing a proper job!
You've hit the nail on the head!!! Imagine how good this car would be if they really properly developed it? I used to work in a dealership where we had an Alfa franchise, and the MiTo and Giuletta were exactly the sambas you alluded to. Launch them - forget about them. Then wonder why the dealers aren't selling them!!! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
It's a shame that after 8yrs Alfa decided to drop the very obvious and widely acknowledged silent 'g' making anyone who now pronounced the name sound like a complete... bell-housen-end.
Yes, however in Race mode, there’s no nanny state. So moot argument
And it's in Race mode that I think the car is at its best as I mention in the review.....so does that make this a moot comment?
@@houseofcars1973 it is moot because you credit the mid setting or soft setting on the suspension for not causing interference from the traction control and ESP safety system which is off in the race setting
@@robertpawley5715 I think you’ve misunderstood. My point is, you switch the car into Race mode, this disabling the traction and ESC, but put the dampers into their mid setting to allow greater wheel movement and therefore contact with the road so you don’t need to rely on the stability systems. By having more wheel travel, the wheel will stay in contact with the road enough, so it’s a passive system adhered to by physics, not electronics.
@@houseofcars1973 you just said it yourself so you don’t need the stability system.
@@robertpawley5715 when the car is in race mode you can put the suspension in the middle settings. The only thing changes is the demper settings. It doesn't change anything else so the nanny's stay off.
The M3 is FUGLY DAWG....
Dont you find it amazing that alfa can produce 520 bhp from a 2.9 v6.while bmw can only do it with a 4.0 you say owners dont want alfa romeos history. Sorry your talking garbage. Shows me that you dont know anything about this marque
That is not what I said. I said buyers coming into this market don't prioritise history. Research shows that 70% of new buyers these days don't place any emphasis on brand loyalty or marque history. They care more about sustainability and connectivity. So, I'm sorry, but I do know what I am talking about as I have been talking about it since I started in the motor trade over 30 years ago. I also used to work for a dealership who had the Alfa Romeo franchise, so I have been around the brand at the sales front. *_Enthusiasts_* of a brand, such as Alfa Romeo, do care, but that's the difference. Alfa need to appeal to more than just enthusiasts to sell cars. If they didn't, why would they be selling SUVs and crossovers now instead of sports cars and sports saloons? And the message in this video is getting lost a bit. I LOVE this car. But I am frustrated that Alfa Romeo aren't doing more with it to win more sales from BMW and Audi. There are parts of it that seem half-hearted, rather than looking into what might make it an absolute class winner. Yes, it has a great engine, I agree. But it needs more than that to win conquest business. Even Ferrari know that you can't just trade on a glamorous name and a sporting heritage. They push the envelope when it comes to engineering, development and design whilst still talking about new materials, better technology and new models to appeal to new markets.. That is what brings new people into your business. Not just talking about what you used to be like as a manufacturer, and how great the old days were. Let's start talking about what the brand is doing for the future, and finding new customers. That's my point.
What in the hell are you talking about with th exterior design of the Giulia? Thismcar looks 10 times better than the159 alfa. I TOTALLY DISAGREE WTH YOR ASSESSMENT of this car.
That’s fine. You’re entitled to that opinion. I prefer the 159, that’s all. Everyone’s different.
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Very disappointing review - first and last time watching this channel
Sorry to hear that. Thank you for giving me a chance though.
You just need to look at it more & you'll find those excellent details & proportions that you miss.
LSD is better than E-diff? In what conditions? I almost fell off from a roundabout because I thought I was in D. I was in N. Back to the same roundabout in D mode, turning in on throttle my Q beautifully turned in. No thanks I prefer E-diff all the way!
Is there a big difference between e-LSD and M-LSD? Last month I was searching and wanted to buy a 2018 one but I just discovered this now
@@salemgx1963 e-diff: makes the car more sensual to drive, if you drive it hard on the track it could overheat. E-diff works as an open diff below 30mph for safety & to prevent unnecessary wear. LSD: it's just a simple limited slip diff, mechanical, when one of the real wheels slips the lsd directs the torque to the other wheel. The e-diff is much more than that. electronically controlled clutches, which divert the torque by your steering wheel, throttle inputs. The e-diff in the Giulia Q made by ZF. AR thrown away the software & created a AR software which is much better.
E-diff works in D & Race mode in the Giulia Q. Once, I almost fall into the bush when I was in N but I thought I was in D with e-diff support.
E-diff all the way! LSD introduced in Giulia Q for cost saving.
@@pplaciii absolute rubbish. The new mechanical diff is *not* a cost saving measure because they also revised the suspension setup closer to GTA. Only first generation Giulia owners make ignorant claims. Alfa Romeo's original e-diff was good in theory, but not in practice even on the GTA. Inconsistent and overheating if heavily used. The mechanical diff has brought to life a more natural setup and machine, which every professional reviewer has rated the best in this generation Giulia.
@@nessuno5403
What do you mean on first generations of Giulias? There were 3+ smaller facelifts with ediff.
What do you mean on revised suspension setup closer to the GTA? I know the answer. Do you?
"every professional reviewer has rated the best in this generation Giulia" Those are the reviewers who say the Giulia Q has a Ferrari engine? ( Giulias don't have Ferrari engine ) :D Best in what sense? Who is a professional reviewer?
During the evolution of the Giulias & Giulia Quadrifoglios there were several cost cuttings from time to time. Restricted interia and exteria colors / stiching colors & material selection, no more alcantara seat only leather ( TI ) & carbon bucket seat with alcantara. No more carbon roof as standard it's an optional extra now.
On the other hand the later generation of Giulias are more grown up cars, more relaxed, more consumable for the mass not as sharp as the earlier versions.
Do you think it's not cost cutting to replace ediff with lsd?
To fix the issues with ediff they would have to pay software engineers to update the ediff software, do extensive testing to validate the software changes, negotiate with ZF to add extra cooling for the ediff for a small production product. This is costly. There is more complexity here.
Replacing the ediff with an existing lsd: Stellantis already had lsd-s which work reliably. There is no active component in these, these are much more simple.
In your view Ferrari going backwards since they replaced their lsd-s with ediff a long time ago?
Have you driven both ediff & lsd Giulia Q? How did it feel?
@@pplaciii you write too much and are clearly poorly informed 😃 First gen = 2016 to 2023 (up to Series 3). Last facelift (Series 4 and 5) with new LSD has software and hardware revisions from GTA and it is a lighter setup too. Professional reviewers? I'm guessing you're American or British and clueless about those in the motherland of Alfa: Quattroruote, MotorOne (IT), AutoMoto etc.. Not your TH-cam jockeys. They all confirm this last update is the dynamic pinnacle of the Tipo 952 and you mentioning those clowns saying the V6 (without referring to its 690T code) is a Ferrari engine proves how superficial your knowledge is 😉 The mechanical revisions on this facelift were not a cost cutting exercise.
One of the problems this car has now is the new G87 M2. It now delivers 470PS matched to the same 8 speed, or even a manual if this is your preference. The M2 also has an interior and tech that is a clear generation ahead of the Alfa. And I know that people will comment about the looks of the M2 versus the Alfa, but looks are very subjective. I like the look of the M2, but don't actually like the QV nearly as much.
The M2 exterior is really clumsy looking.
I owned a 2023 M2 manual, and then got a quadrifoglio. Absolutely no comparison, the Alfa is a much better car to drive.
@@edombre4637 As a Giulia Veloce owner, I'm not surprised. BMW today is more hype than product.
@@edombre4637💯. Not even close.
@@rlsedition Beavers everywhere resent your remark.
This and the M3 were in my shortlist. But I eventually ordered this over the M3 as here in Singapore, the QV is S$400k while the M3 is S$600k.
Its a no brainer decision....
That is crazy prices in Singapore?! Is that majority taxes making the increase?
Yea mostly taxes. Wait till you hear the options. The Verde Montreal is S$20k. CF roof S$13k and Akrapovic S$15k..
Finally got to the end of the review. I suppose Alfa cared for this car for those buyers that mattered. Those buyers who didnt matter wont have cared about this car anyway.
The Junior, Tonale are created for the latter segment of buyers...