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You can’t go hotter than the glass transition temperature of the material or your filament becomes a noodle. There is also a balance that has to be struck between your cooling capacity and your chamber temperature to keep heat creep from reaching the barrel, overhang quality, layer adhesion, polymer internal stress release. It’s unfortunately not as straight-forward as more heat is better, but some is good and consistency is even better.
One of the items I sell it's made from matte pla+. If the room temperature goes beyond 15( so basically for 6 months here in UK), and I don't close the enclosure door, the print tends to have layers separation or fail completely.
2:01 I will 100% be doing that. My MK4S is in a big ol’ box and this will make it nice and compact, and fit on my desk instead of being basically a second desk with a printer inside it. Also, the strain gauge bed leveling thing is *awesome*, but when the nozzle has to lower itself to the bed, and pull filament with it, you sometimes have issues where the tension of the filament triggers the strain gauge and it thinks it’s touching the bed when it isn’t. Minor problem? For sure. But raising the bed to the nozzle removes that issue. Anyway, the CoreOne is what I wish the MK4S was. I don’t regret my MK4 purchase at all, but this will be better in every way and I think worth the $450.
first off: ik like your vids and they learned me to design making use of the 3d print strengths (and weaknesses), so VERY HELPFULL. you said that other printers are build better then bambu, can you help us by telling/explaining which ones are beter build? tnx
The chamber temperature control is perfect for ABS and other higher end plastics. Specific control of temperature helps with distortion as well as increase part strength. Too much heat leads to crows foot and localized drooping so you can get too much ambient heat.
Owner of 3x Prusa MK4's ... Will upgrade to MK4S and then to core one if and when it becomes available ... that is my current mindset ... Prusa/I (mainly me) messed up my order for 3x MK4S ... which turns out to be fortunate ... this is a good upgrade for me.
Just a comment on HP, there is a difference between HP Inc. and HP enterprise. HP enterprise makes servers and software virtualization, etc. HP Inc. makes laptops, desktops printers 3-D printers. Regarding failures, I’m not sure the model is really to emphasize failure. It is to emphasize experiments and maximize learning and the acquisition of knowledge via a very inexpensive mechanism. Like Edison said I haven’t failed, I’ve learned 900 ways not to make a lightbulb.
Fail Fast: in software development the principle way of making failure cheap is "Shift Left", this allows you to iterate fast. Seems for 3DP, the on-demand aspect allows natural agile extension (and then your customers get mass-customization too). So 1) Shift Left, 2) Iterate Fast, 3) Manufacture On-Demand.
On the canada post stuff: its only a problem for rural Canadian small businesses. Im a real small business owner located in a major city. CP strike pushed me to look for other options, and i found chitchats which is cheaper, faster, and with shipping compared to CP.
It's not so much about the specific temperature control as it is actively heated. Something like a Bambu is passively heated by the warm bed and just held in by the enclosure. If you want consistent high temperatures in the enclosure, then you need an active heater to make sure that happens. The passive heating might get up 45 or 50°. Celsius in the enclosure, but with active heating you could go up higher, faster if needed to prevent warping in some of your engineering materials. Edit: as far as wanting to keep it cooler in the enclosure that can allow you to print pla with a low enclosure temperature to prevent filament jamming.
3:10 i think the idea isn’t so much to hold it at a set temperature as much as it is just to prevent the enclosure from warming up at all. ABS and ASA? Yes, enclosure as warm as possible. PLA? Keep air flowing so it doesn’t warm up. That said, I print PLA in the enclosure with the door closed and it works fine for me so… 🤷🏻♂️ The “active” part to me just reads as something you can insert into the gcode based on material type so the machine handles it all for you (except for the vents on top I guess, but I bet someone will design an automated louvre pretty quickly that connects to the GPIO board or something.
The reason to be able to cool the chamber is for printing pla and the like with the chamber closed. On my voron 0 i have to open the tophat and remove the door to print in PLA which negates the audible advantages of having a closed chamber. At least that's my understanding.
Reid Hoffman always said "if you're going to fail, fail fast" And, a really hard pill to swallow; "if your product is 100% perfect when it launches, you launched too late" Iterate or die.
if you guys could start producing matte filaments that would be great. i just bought 10kg of matte white pla from aliexpress for $75 total. i do buy want to buy from USA but dang $25 is a lot for me.
One problem with just making the chamber of an enclosed printer as hot as possible is that any chips you have inside the printer would start to die when you get past a certain temperature
My father just upgraded to the MK4s and will be buying the Core One upgrade. I'll let you know how it goes. 208 area code, you're in Idaho or Eastern Washington? I live near Seattle.
Oh, and Prusa was very clear (in a wonderfully passive-aggressive way) that the controlled chambre temperature is in response to the need to open the door and remove the lid of an X1C when printing PLA, because otherwise it gets too hot inside and the plastic deforms. Because *of course* people are buying a printer intended for ABS and Nylon and then printing PLA on it...
@@davydatwood3158 The X1C is not intended for abs and nylon. It's supposed to be capable of doing them but it's not purpose made to excel at those. If it was made to excel at those it would have an actively heated chamber. They wanted to be able to print most everything common and probably figured it was a pretty low price to pay to have to remove the lid to print PLA. That being said I never open the enclosure when I'm printing pla and have no problems.
If I get budget reduction, I will get the Prusa Core One kit and upgrade my MK4S. But If I continue with good times, I will get a Prusa XL and keep my MK4S. Similarly, I would not buy the prusa enclosure or the MMU because I would rather make a bigger investment and get the XL
You can definitely run AI models locally on your own laptop, otherwise how would people develop AI? 🙂 There are a bunch of different ways to do it, but I think using Ollama is the most popular. (I'm a Software Engineer but do not work on AI specifically)
Excited for the filament, will be more excited when it is AMS compatible. I was excited for the Prusa Core 1...I am less excited about it the more I see. I don't need the chamber heater, so that option doesn't do much for me and everything else...honestly just feels wildly overpriced for a single color printer. Build quality only goes so far. Is prusa generally better than bambu in build quality? Absolutely..is it better enough to justify that large of a price gap? Personally no. I have thousands of hours on multiple P1S's at this point and they are still going with very minimal maintenance. Honestly at this point the oldest machine has paid for itself in production so many times at this point that honestly if it self destructed right now, I would still consider it well worth what I paid for it and replace it with the same thing.
99% of the stuff you own is Not used 99% of the time. And By the way I designed the proximity detector on the first iPhones and I Failed over and over and over many times before the phone was released! And the Phone still "Butt Dialed" It was painful at times, but the phone was a success in the end
Bought 3 1kg spools of the Glut Blue PETG and the surface of the filament has a rough texture. Prints fine but sometimes, presumably due to the added friction of the filament through the spool guide, the calibration of first layer (i.e. strain gauge) is prone to slight errors. Just some feedback for you, but was wondering if the surface roughness is something you use to your advantage during printing.
Curious to know why tangled spools are not AMS compatible? Any plan to release 'refill' versions that fit on AMS and other reusable spools (seems the Sunlu reusable spools are pretty much a copy of the bambu lab ams spools, still waiting on one to empty so I can tell for sure).
"Just try" is all fine and good, but it can be a bit daunting, esp when there's several holes you have no idea how to fill... yes y'all do a lot, but the things outside of that is what I mean..(Including product ideas themselves, which when there's already a million variations on just about everything, tend to not be the easiest things to come by..). That's not saying it isn't still worth looking, it just takes some time..
Heat creep exists, and is dependent on the material and cooling capacity. Cooling capacity is dependent on the heatsink’s ambient temperature. C’mon man, you know this- use your mental filter 😅.
It feels like the Prusa Core One is clearly the better printer in almost every way, but just nothing at all exciting about it. It's basically the minivan of 3D printers.
@@lifeteen2 Yeah, pretty disappointing a Prusa choose to go with their standard build volume rather than going with a larger size. I got it, they wanted to make it compatible as an upgrade to the MK4S, but going larger could have put them in competition with other larger models, without eating sales from their XL. 🤷♂️
@@No_Worries83 I think there are a lot of trade offs to making a bigger printer, there's a reason why other brands have bigger printers but they aren't selling like hot cakes. I did appreciate the Sovol SV06+ for just scaling up the Prusa i3 design by 30%, but as much as people claim to want the bigger print volume, it didn't sell that well. The i3 design could relatively easily be expanded in size by replacing a few parts, but core X-Y requires many more parts to be replaced.
@@No_Worries83 I think the size was a strategic choice. The inbound parts stream for the bed remains the same well tested system. Reducing risk and time to market.
I'd simply guess currently there is no sensible way to create geometry for 3d models that aren't total trash. And price wise they are still too expensive for no accurate displaying.. OpenScad would maybe provide a way for AI to show or create 3d models.
one limit top temp 'cause one are cooling cold end with air that is inside the chamber, if the air inside is too hot you cannot cool cold side enough and you get extrusion issues Also, dunno what's inside but e.g. on bambu prolonged printing at over 65C chamber makes magnet slip out of the print heat plastic ... other thing inside (belts, motors ..) it is questionable how much do you reduce their life if they work in too hot (over 65C) env... there are steppers with cpecified max env at 70C .. real "hot chamber" machines cool extruder/coldend with water and motors inside with water and / or with cold air brought from the outside of the printer (depending on the design) (belt is usually cooled with air from outside of the box) ... and all that goes exponentially more complex as mixing cold and hot zones introduces stress into material and if you have different materials (combination of aluminium, steel, carbon fiber and plastic) it gets even worse :D
I sent in a message through the Tangled website, but I figured it might get faster response here. The Nov 2024 3-pack Black PLA says Free Shipping in the description but in the Cart, there is $5.00 Delivery Fee. Is that an error or is the delivery fee something different?
Higher chamber temperature = less effective cooling on bridges and overhangs. Also, having a hot chamber when printing with PLA can cause the filament to get too soft in the extruder, possibly resulting in a clog 😊
they have said Bambu are OK for personal use, just a closed source system isn't great for large print farms. Slant3D uses homebrew/in house made printers. Not their only reasons, but view some of their older videos to see their position.
Closed-source is a VERY VERY BAD direction. There is already talks about getting manufacturers to put in code to snitch on you if you're trying to print certain things. What could possibly go wrong? /s
"MK" is pronounced MARK!!!!!!! You don't say "dee-ar," you say "doctor"; you don't say "em-ar," you say "mister"; you don't say "ell-be," you say "pound"; so why the fuck are people still saying "em-kay" instead of "mark"!!??!?!? This bugs me soo fucking much, and I thought we were finally done with it when TH-camrs figured out it was the Prusa MARK 4, and yet here we go again...
SuperCraft AI here - Thank you for the shoutout!
We are working around the clock to develop the functionality that will let users generate editable STEP files from text and images, and not just organic meshes. Stay tuned!
Please make videos! Can’t wait for good AI 3D image generation!
How can someone be so enthusiastic about 3D printing and still not acknowledge the benefits of a controlled heated chamber?
That was an odd gloss over. In terms of physics it seems it'd definitely make a difference with bridges / part cooling at least.
still not active though...
@@jrnz0r it only does 55°C on the chamber is his point
@@Chaosghoul yeah we're nitpicking lol
He did say he has little experience with enclosed printers and the why and how, so I give a pass.
the best chamber temp for PETG is ~30C +/-5C, in my experience. So the chamber temp management feature of the Core 1 is vey welcomed by me
You can’t go hotter than the glass transition temperature of the material or your filament becomes a noodle. There is also a balance that has to be struck between your cooling capacity and your chamber temperature to keep heat creep from reaching the barrel, overhang quality, layer adhesion, polymer internal stress release. It’s unfortunately not as straight-forward as more heat is better, but some is good and consistency is even better.
One of the items I sell it's made from matte pla+. If the room temperature goes beyond 15( so basically for 6 months here in UK), and I don't close the enclosure door, the print tends to have layers separation or fail completely.
2:01 I will 100% be doing that. My MK4S is in a big ol’ box and this will make it nice and compact, and fit on my desk instead of being basically a second desk with a printer inside it. Also, the strain gauge bed leveling thing is *awesome*, but when the nozzle has to lower itself to the bed, and pull filament with it, you sometimes have issues where the tension of the filament triggers the strain gauge and it thinks it’s touching the bed when it isn’t. Minor problem? For sure. But raising the bed to the nozzle removes that issue. Anyway, the CoreOne is what I wish the MK4S was. I don’t regret my MK4 purchase at all, but this will be better in every way and I think worth the $450.
first off: ik like your vids and they learned me to design making use of the 3d print strengths (and weaknesses), so VERY HELPFULL. you said that other printers are build better then bambu, can you help us by telling/explaining which ones are beter build? tnx
The chamber temperature control is perfect for ABS and other higher end plastics. Specific control of temperature helps with distortion as well as increase part strength. Too much heat leads to crows foot and localized drooping so you can get too much ambient heat.
Owner of 3x Prusa MK4's ... Will upgrade to MK4S and then to core one if and when it becomes available ... that is my current mindset ... Prusa/I (mainly me) messed up my order for 3x MK4S ... which turns out to be fortunate ... this is a good upgrade for me.
Huge fan of the photo update!
Just a comment on HP, there is a difference between HP Inc. and HP enterprise. HP enterprise makes servers and software virtualization, etc. HP Inc. makes laptops, desktops printers 3-D printers.
Regarding failures, I’m not sure the model is really to emphasize failure. It is to emphasize experiments and maximize learning and the acquisition of knowledge via a very inexpensive mechanism. Like Edison said I haven’t failed, I’ve learned 900 ways not to make a lightbulb.
Fail Fast: in software development the principle way of making failure cheap is "Shift Left", this allows you to iterate fast. Seems for 3DP, the on-demand aspect allows natural agile extension (and then your customers get mass-customization too). So 1) Shift Left, 2) Iterate Fast, 3) Manufacture On-Demand.
On the canada post stuff: its only a problem for rural Canadian small businesses. Im a real small business owner located in a major city. CP strike pushed me to look for other options, and i found chitchats which is cheaper, faster, and with shipping compared to CP.
It's not so much about the specific temperature control as it is actively heated. Something like a Bambu is passively heated by the warm bed and just held in by the enclosure. If you want consistent high temperatures in the enclosure, then you need an active heater to make sure that happens. The passive heating might get up 45 or 50°. Celsius in the enclosure, but with active heating you could go up higher, faster if needed to prevent warping in some of your engineering materials. Edit: as far as wanting to keep it cooler in the enclosure that can allow you to print pla with a low enclosure temperature to prevent filament jamming.
Is kind of cool how Prusa’s can be upgraded!
3:10 i think the idea isn’t so much to hold it at a set temperature as much as it is just to prevent the enclosure from warming up at all. ABS and ASA? Yes, enclosure as warm as possible. PLA? Keep air flowing so it doesn’t warm up. That said, I print PLA in the enclosure with the door closed and it works fine for me so… 🤷🏻♂️
The “active” part to me just reads as something you can insert into the gcode based on material type so the machine handles it all for you (except for the vents on top I guess, but I bet someone will design an automated louvre pretty quickly that connects to the GPIO board or something.
The reason to be able to cool the chamber is for printing pla and the like with the chamber closed. On my voron 0 i have to open the tophat and remove the door to print in PLA which negates the audible advantages of having a closed chamber. At least that's my understanding.
Reid Hoffman always said "if you're going to fail, fail fast"
And, a really hard pill to swallow; "if your product is 100% perfect when it launches, you launched too late"
Iterate or die.
if you guys could start producing matte filaments that would be great. i just bought 10kg of matte white pla from aliexpress for $75 total. i do buy want to buy from USA but dang $25 is a lot for me.
One problem with just making the chamber of an enclosed printer as hot as possible is that any chips you have inside the printer would start to die when you get past a certain temperature
Will be converting 9x MK4s to Core One
My father just upgraded to the MK4s and will be buying the Core One upgrade. I'll let you know how it goes.
208 area code, you're in Idaho or Eastern Washington? I live near Seattle.
Oh, and Prusa was very clear (in a wonderfully passive-aggressive way) that the controlled chambre temperature is in response to the need to open the door and remove the lid of an X1C when printing PLA, because otherwise it gets too hot inside and the plastic deforms. Because *of course* people are buying a printer intended for ABS and Nylon and then printing PLA on it...
Most people will not print abs or nylon on these.
@@davydatwood3158 The X1C is not intended for abs and nylon. It's supposed to be capable of doing them but it's not purpose made to excel at those. If it was made to excel at those it would have an actively heated chamber. They wanted to be able to print most everything common and probably figured it was a pretty low price to pay to have to remove the lid to print PLA. That being said I never open the enclosure when I'm printing pla and have no problems.
The X1C wasn't "intended" for ABS or nylon lol.
If I get budget reduction, I will get the Prusa Core One kit and upgrade my MK4S. But If I continue with good times, I will get a Prusa XL and keep my MK4S. Similarly, I would not buy the prusa enclosure or the MMU because I would rather make a bigger investment and get the XL
You can definitely run AI models locally on your own laptop, otherwise how would people develop AI? 🙂
There are a bunch of different ways to do it, but I think using Ollama is the most popular.
(I'm a Software Engineer but do not work on AI specifically)
Excited for the filament, will be more excited when it is AMS compatible.
I was excited for the Prusa Core 1...I am less excited about it the more I see. I don't need the chamber heater, so that option doesn't do much for me and everything else...honestly just feels wildly overpriced for a single color printer. Build quality only goes so far. Is prusa generally better than bambu in build quality? Absolutely..is it better enough to justify that large of a price gap? Personally no. I have thousands of hours on multiple P1S's at this point and they are still going with very minimal maintenance. Honestly at this point the oldest machine has paid for itself in production so many times at this point that honestly if it self destructed right now, I would still consider it well worth what I paid for it and replace it with the same thing.
99% of the stuff you own is Not used 99% of the time. And By the way I designed the proximity detector on the first iPhones and I Failed over and over and over many times before the phone was released! And the Phone still "Butt Dialed" It was painful at times, but the phone was a success in the end
Calling the Prusa Core one a Bambu X1C a clone is like saying an Ender 3 is a Prusa i3 clone.
I want the Oreos, but what if I want chocolate milk instead? 😂
Bought 3 1kg spools of the Glut Blue PETG and the surface of the filament has a rough texture. Prints fine but sometimes, presumably due to the added friction of the filament through the spool guide, the calibration of first layer (i.e. strain gauge) is prone to slight errors. Just some feedback for you, but was wondering if the surface roughness is something you use to your advantage during printing.
They went with ATT because GSM allowed the phone and data to work at the same time. CDMA at the time could not do phone and data at the same time.
Curious to know why tangled spools are not AMS compatible? Any plan to release 'refill' versions that fit on AMS and other reusable spools (seems the Sunlu reusable spools are pretty much a copy of the bambu lab ams spools, still waiting on one to empty so I can tell for sure).
Love this content.
Minimum viable product or minimum marketable product? Customers should only be exposed to the latter.
"Just try" is all fine and good, but it can be a bit daunting, esp when there's several holes you have no idea how to fill... yes y'all do a lot, but the things outside of that is what I mean..(Including product ideas themselves, which when there's already a million variations on just about everything, tend to not be the easiest things to come by..). That's not saying it isn't still worth looking, it just takes some time..
When will the photographer option be live?
Will teleport absorb the API and also be extendable?
Heat creep exists, and is dependent on the material and cooling capacity. Cooling capacity is dependent on the heatsink’s ambient temperature. C’mon man, you know this- use your mental filter 😅.
It feels like the Prusa Core One is clearly the better printer in almost every way, but just nothing at all exciting about it. It's basically the minivan of 3D printers.
@@lifeteen2 Yeah, pretty disappointing a Prusa choose to go with their standard build volume rather than going with a larger size. I got it, they wanted to make it compatible as an upgrade to the MK4S, but going larger could have put them in competition with other larger models, without eating sales from their XL. 🤷♂️
@@No_Worries83 I think there are a lot of trade offs to making a bigger printer, there's a reason why other brands have bigger printers but they aren't selling like hot cakes. I did appreciate the Sovol SV06+ for just scaling up the Prusa i3 design by 30%, but as much as people claim to want the bigger print volume, it didn't sell that well. The i3 design could relatively easily be expanded in size by replacing a few parts, but core X-Y requires many more parts to be replaced.
@@No_Worries83 I think the size was a strategic choice. The inbound parts stream for the bed remains the same well tested system. Reducing risk and time to market.
I'd simply guess currently there is no sensible way to create geometry for 3d models that aren't total trash. And price wise they are still too expensive for no accurate displaying..
OpenScad would maybe provide a way for AI to show or create 3d models.
one limit top temp 'cause one are cooling cold end with air that is inside the chamber, if the air inside is too hot you cannot cool cold side enough and you get extrusion issues
Also, dunno what's inside but e.g. on bambu prolonged printing at over 65C chamber makes magnet slip out of the print heat plastic ... other thing inside (belts, motors ..) it is questionable how much do you reduce their life if they work in too hot (over 65C) env... there are steppers with cpecified max env at 70C ..
real "hot chamber" machines cool extruder/coldend with water and motors inside with water and / or with cold air brought from the outside of the printer (depending on the design) (belt is usually cooled with air from outside of the box) ... and all that goes exponentially more complex as mixing cold and hot zones introduces stress into material and if you have different materials (combination of aluminium, steel, carbon fiber and plastic) it gets even worse :D
Is it Aam or uum
It’s already working on Bambu studio
FYI making an account in Teleport gives you a 500 internal server error.
You need to sign up for access to the teleport app. Only a limited number of users here at start. You can submit a request for access at slantpod.com
I sent in a message through the Tangled website, but I figured it might get faster response here. The Nov 2024 3-pack Black PLA says Free Shipping in the description but in the Cart, there is $5.00 Delivery Fee. Is that an error or is the delivery fee something different?
I see it's already fixed! Nice, thanks!
I’m a little sad prusa didn’t go bigger, at least 300 or 350
350? Why not go with XL then?
@@hegjon not enclosed... prusa did make an add-on that seem like an after thought, plus a lot of issues that need to be ironed out.
I don't see the 3kg spools on the tangled site. Is it already sold out?
Sold out
Higher chamber temperature = less effective cooling on bridges and overhangs. Also, having a hot chamber when printing with PLA can cause the filament to get too soft in the extruder, possibly resulting in a clog 😊
Did you even watch the release video of prusa themselves? They made it that you can also print pla perfectly fine with the door closed
Yes, that was exactly the point of the temperature control for lower temps 😊
Heating a chamber higher than necessary just wastes energy..
well you dont warm the enclosure at same temp in pla, or in pa-cf, lol
HP will also charge you a ink subscription fee for the 3d model. BAHAHA
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Ah sorry , i got ahead of myself
if you dont know, dont comment.
Why you think Bambu printers aren't good? What is better options? What do you have?
they have said Bambu are OK for personal use, just a closed source system isn't great for large print farms. Slant3D uses homebrew/in house made printers. Not their only reasons, but view some of their older videos to see their position.
Closed-source is a VERY VERY BAD direction. There is already talks about getting manufacturers to put in code to snitch on you if you're trying to print certain things. What could possibly go wrong? /s
@@RossRadford rofl, you are very clueless
@@riba2233 An insult without anything specific. Yeah, you're definitely right and your comment should keep me up at night /s. Care to elaborate?
@@RossRadford no, you are too far off, sorry.
It gets 215 degrees Fahrenheit in az? Don’t think so.
55C -> 131F. Still a little warm for Phoenix.
I was just in Vegas a few months ago and It was 122f. That isn't very far off.
@@phasesecuritytechnology6573 only the difference between life and death is all
"MK" is pronounced MARK!!!!!!! You don't say "dee-ar," you say "doctor"; you don't say "em-ar," you say "mister"; you don't say "ell-be," you say "pound"; so why the fuck are people still saying "em-kay" instead of "mark"!!??!?!? This bugs me soo fucking much, and I thought we were finally done with it when TH-camrs figured out it was the Prusa MARK 4, and yet here we go again...