Scots and Englishmen literally conquered half the world together. A certain political party (SNP) dredges up hatred to keep themselves in power using a 'us VS them' framing to drum up nationalistic tension between two nations of shared history and blood. Britain is strongest when Scots and English act as brothers.
His movie reviews are great, but it's video's like "Why the past matters", "Why do we need heroes" and "The girl who wouldn't back down" that really leave me stunned and why I subscribed.
@@Bonez0r I subbed for the reviews too, absolutely, but I was blown away with his cultural critiques and how ironically eloquent he could put my feelings into words. He's truly a top tier YTer
@@Fadaar - also, sometimes his only take on a movie is based on what he's heard or how its box office has gone, not what it is. Elemental was a good film, but it was trashed by so many people because the reviews were not up to par and people just assumed what it would be like based on the studio and summary. I would be surprised if he actually saw it.
Yes I think that's why horror films traditionally have female leads -- it makes it scarier when viewing from a woman's perspective. (If it was a man we'd probably just shout "get a grip mate" at screen!)
Can you imagine if Alien was made today? Opening Scene: Ship lands on planet, sees a crashed ship filled with eggs. One of the eggs opens up and a face hugger grabs one of the crew. They take him to the ship... Doctor: They have acid for blood, this thing can't be removed. Woke Ripley: Step aside male oppressor, let me do it. Doctor: That's impossible, how did you do it? Woke Ripley: Shut up male oppressor, every woman is born with the ability to perform brain surgery. Doctor: This thing planted an egg in his throat. Woke Ripley: Not a problem. Doctor: Let's throw this thing away. Woke Ripley: Now I have to go invent FTL travel, stay here and do you job for once. Outside the aliens see they failed to invade the ship, so they send alien monsters at attack the ship. Thousands of aliens surround the ship, and start to climb to the airlocks. Pilot: We're under attack, what do we do? Woke Ripley: I'll take care of this. Pilot: But there are thousands of them out there. Woke Ripley: So it's going to be just like walking down the street as a woman... Final Alien Monster: Arg! Woke Ripley: You monsters are wasting my time. Engineer: The alien's acid blood damaged the ship, we need to perform repairs. Woke Ripley: I have better things to do. Engineer: What could be more important than the structural integrity of the ship. Woke Ripley: Your male brain couldn't understand. Woke Ripley then proceeds to create a functional FTL drive, allowing the ship to travel back to Earth in mere days. She installs it into the ship by herself, as none of the other crew are smart enough to even help her. Woke Ripley: I installed the Femininity Drive to the ship, now we can travel faster than light. Pilot: No we can't, that's impossible. It violates the laws of physics. Woke Ripley: Only your pathetic male science, I'm not limited by such things. Android: There is no male or female science, there's just science. Woke Ripley: Shut up oppressor Pilot: He was a robot all this time? Woke Ripley: I hate male robots, disgusting... Pilot: How did you know? Woke Ripley: I'm a woman, we just know things. When you're ready to do your job, let's head home.
A lot more people are now.. god forgive me.. woke to the understanding of being propagandized morning noon and night by all forms of media. Yes what we want back is, in entertainment and at the very least, those sparkling gems of human creativity which will pass the test of time.
Its all being decided by people with zero practical experience. They cant even see a good product when there is one in front of them, they need some kind of validation since they have zero relatable skills to decide things like that
Except that they are losing money hand over fist because of the absolute trash they are bringing out. Disney alone has lost nearly $900 million from their last 8 releases. So even the "financial risk management" doesn't hold water when they are haemorrhaging money with every production.
Some of his "critiques" are a little forced to serve his political rhetoric. First to come to mind was his being "offended" that the black dragons in Witcher polymorphed into black humans.
@@sarahgould5435 He's written a series of military spy thrillers about a character named Ryan Drake. The first is called "Redemption" and the second is called "Sacrifice." They need to be read in order as the characters and stories are continued. Enjoy! EDIT: He's written many more than just these two books. These are the only ones I've personally read so far.
Those characters are just commodities to Hollywood studio executives. They don't even pretend to understand what makes a character tick or what made the character endearing in its initial incarnation. Now they just toss characters into a blender and see what happens.
It's funny, this should be a positive statement. Imagine a world where instead of movie stars bringing us to the cinema, we go to see various actors portraying well written, well developed, fully realized characters. We should want characters over stars, but instead we get caricatures with recognizable names and little else.
The Drinker is awesome. Great to see you both having a chat. You're 100% correct about these movie makers hating their audience. Disney is a masterclass on how to lose a large paying demographic and influencing absolutely nobody. Total ineptitude
He’s got some good takes and a real passion for literature and film. I love his reviews and take on Hollywood as an industry. But I do find some of his reviews or takes reactionary and click harbouring though which fair play TH-cam is basically a second job but it does take some of the genuineness out of a few videos.
@@TheMightyMidget sure, I agree, I found my self disagreeing with some of his points. But at this time we can't look for perfection anymore, we need to accept that half agree is same as agree 😁
Well the thing about disney, hollywood and prod houses,Budweisers now and all them big corps jumping aboard the woke train .the plan isn’t about influencing more peoples to get onboard ,it’s only to keep y’all angry and feel useless against it . That’s it! that’s how they keep peoples in control,trough chaos.keep your shit tight and they have no power over you,easy.and eff their bs entertainment.everything’s about each of us influencing the world around ourselves.that’s where the game is played
Almost every time I see a trailer for a new movie I ask myself “Don’t people in Hollywood read?” There are so many amazing books that could be turned into movies, then again based on the latest I wouldn’t want them to ruin stories & characters.
I'm pretty sure Jennifer Lawrence had the first strong female role in history. Everything that happened before is just toxic tyranny from the white supremacist patriarchy, so we should just forget about that. Otherwise someone gets offended or something.
Hepburn was good,but Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyk were better. Throw in Kathleen Byron,Margaret Rutherford and Greer Garson,and you have a cadre of actresses that would run ring around any of the so called actresses of today.@@careypridgeon
Strong women have been common in folk tales and mythologies as well across the world even at the height of "conservatism" and religiosity. So strong female characters are nothing new to literature and storytelling.
yup...average americans dont have any clue who plays any sports anymore and a large chunk of young entertainers no one knows or cares about... were living off our peak...i cant imagine what america will be like in 20 years as far as culture...all the greats will be dead..there will be nothing
I think the problem with big Hollywood movies these days is that they start with a checklist (we need x number of female characters, x number of gay characters, etc). They then try to craft a story around that checklist rather than coming up with original ideas or well crafted characters and driving the story organically.
One of the biggest iconic characters in cinema is Rocky. He lost the final match, but we know he won something far greater as he faced the challenge and grew as a man from it. We absolutely identify with struggle far more than the hand given win.
I love in Rocky 2 when he asks Apollo if he gave him everything he had, as in - did you respect me enough to really give me a fair fight? Did I do okay against a champion? Apollo affirms that he did, and Rocky says thank you. Rocky thanks him for beating the hell out of him (lol), because it meant he earned the respect of a champion. It validated his worth.
@@mustardnbiscuits5338 I was gonna argue that but I guess rocky 4 was kinda unecessary...solidified his love for apollo, showed how far theyd come in success and then....... great montages with inspiring songs...yay but, not needed.
"...lost their spirit of creativity." I remember in the late '90s, Disney basically abandoned original pictures. They made only sequels for their old, successful IPs. And even when I was a child I looked at that and said, "This isn't sustainable." That's very much how I feel about this current cinematic era.
This isn't just Disney. It isn't even just Hollywood; This is movies everywhere. And music, and games, and everything and everywhere. Because it's exactly correct that this is of the culture, and... Well, the answer to why characters so often come off as unlikable these days? It's not to do with the "not allowed to fail;" e.g. Clint Eastwood had a whole career of "badass right out of the gates" characters. And there's plenty more one could name. Plenty of good characters we like who don't have, or need, "moments of vulnerability" or clashing humor or happenstances - or when they do, these things are played off as little "touches" and only serve to heighten characters which already were great. Interestingly, we still get a load of great villains though. Huh. Now why is that? Well, there's a useful contrast here... Oh sure, there's a lot of "for the evulz" trash that has started cropping up. But that is even more frequently panned. And even in things like the damnable overcommercialized quirkyhumor-injected Marvel movies, we've got spectacular characters like Ultron and Zemo and Thanos. Even in that plastic product. Look around, and you'll see a disproportionate amount of good villains to lame or even odious main characters. In some ways, it's even gotten so "bad" that monstrous ones are still so much the best thing to the movie as compared to the "hero" that people now root for the bad guy. Not to mention the plain uptick in sympathetic or affable villains. Because villains, even more so than heroes, need motivations for what they do. They need rationales, backgrounds, causes - causALITY. They need actual concepts and ideas to them. Even something "unknowable" like e.g. John Carpenter's "Thing" or the Color Out Of Space, or someone with no history like the Joker, is defined by the threat and the element of terror of the unknown or sanely incomprehensible or fundamentally wrong and anarchic. And with reference to that former plasticky shit, a good central idea or logos can turn a bad villain instantly great; Look at Thanos. The comic book character? Trash. A rubber-forehead-alien overpowered "ultimate bad guy" generated by a constant game of upping the stakes. But the writers took that, and instead applied the genuine depth of ideas, of crazy Darwinism, "chaotic fairness" and ultimate ends-justifying pragmatism, and added a dash of Determinator scary willpower. And boom, instant hit. Villains need causes or concepts to center around, in order to be actual villains. In order to be proper threats. To be able to justify the camera lingering on them as characters for even a second. Which means that in this era of empty, pointless and aimless Letzte Mensch goblin-politics... Well, they've been able to reduce the "heroes" to their own shallow understanding of "character." Namely, an empty shell of "identity" we're supposed to sympathize with because of what the writers and executives and whatnot projectively consider to be the relevant commonalities - skin color, sex, some superficial culture markers or over-cliché personality "quirks." Characters who, at best if at all, stumble through hackneyed explanations or perform noticeably "injected" and fumbling scenes that are supposed to give us some idea of their motivations and goals, because the writers felt that there "had to be something there." Like some Zuckerbergian lizard-robot in a High School drama production, shoved into a costume, knowing the lines and what emotions are supposed to be displayed but with no feel or temper for them. Like someone reading a language they don't speak, getting all the pronounciations wrong. But then, they haven't been able to move on and reduce the villains. Not the same way. Sure they've tried that one too, but that sunk the movies even more completely, and even before the industry started getting into full Woke. This is a contrast which highlights what not just movies, but ALL plot-driven entertainment, has really been about since forever. Since the damn Mycenaean Greeks; The symbolic exploration of precisely... concepts and ideas. Philosophy, essentially. Philosophy in practice, and its causalities, displayed on stage or screen. Even filth like teen dramas or old sitcoms at least represents ideas of human fallibility or foolishness and ego, or has episodes centered around or at least making pointers to moral lessons. Sci-fi has been, I think an examination might note, "sort of" spared to a great degree, because even where the characters falter it is a genre entirely centered around exploring staggering or frightening concepts or technological implications, and so the settings have often filled in the void. Strong female characters? One can almost perfectly separate the "Woke" examples from the genuine ones, using this understanding to pinpoint the lack of meaning; The Woke variants - Rey, Captain Marvel, etc. - are "strong" in portrayed competence and will in only that shallow sense of "character," with all show and no telos, no core idea or cause. However much they can punch someone into pulp and do mind tricks with no former experience, they lack a foundational element of drive, or else that drive is egoistic or immature or their understanding or portrayal of that drive is hamfisted or nonsensical. Their put-on "power" is an obvious and tacky overcompensation effort. However "strong," events still happen to them, rather than vice versa. And so they are hated by all. Whereas Ripley, Starling, Brown, Vi, Vertaski... Weak and cornered and crying and scared out of their wits and desperately trying to put up fronts to shield themselves, they nevertheless have their bottoms, the motivations and drives they center on, and they stand by and act them out. And so they are appreciated as genuine. And they are beloved. An attempt at trying to enforce meaninglessness. That's what's going on. The attempt to make it the accepted throughline of the culture. And as always, the Golden Rule of Woke Projection applies; It comes from the fact that the people doing the telling, the writing, the directing and so on, cannot themselves understand or imagine meaning. That they are fundamentally motivated against and away from it. Because meaning requires definition, and definition in turn implies standards. Absolutes and fundamentals, measures and consequence. And those people? They can't live with that. They can't live in, or on, that. They are who and where they are for no better reasons than precisely such "identity;" Placement, happenstance, connections and nepotism, face and profile, sucked off the right professor or suit out of management... Halfwits to actual competents to semi-geniuses, they nevertheless lack originality and core, like their characters. And are ultimately losers and dead-ends whom events just "happen to," like their characters. Because their only motivation is "Me." They are the human form of the proverbial Survival Engine. The one-dimensional "Graph Goes Up"-people. No future and not fit for anything higher than Darwinian selection - and Darwinian levels of loss and inefficiency. Because in the absence of that meaning or self-drive they can only react; And when things stop genuinely happening, and they have to merely bounce off one another, then all that ultimately creates is a feedback loop of noise and nonsense and an inward and downward spiral. Unfortunately for them, they're still human, and the world is still real. And so they can't escape at least something of that feeling, that niggling sense or those occasional hard elbows of consequence, which nevertheless annoyingly remind them that they're unworthy. That they're in the wrong place and that they're screwing things up by their very presence. Yet, they live off and are at this point probably almost as if bred to hold certain rationalizations, or to not even be physically able to entertain the idea that they might be unjustified in what they do, if not that justification was ever required. And so, well... What to do, other than try to push their perception onto the world? Or soothe that bruised ego with some consistently shallow "philanthropy." The really big bozos or "too-smart-for-that" ones get into politics, get profiled, or get some of their ill gotten gains together, and throw it on some meaningless vanity or silver bullet. And if they're in culture or media? Fields which are all about portrayal and facade already? Well, it's damn difficult to actually act out "equity" or "social justice" a.s.f. and have it make sense in story. In fact, it's goddamned impossible, because causality is as solid as the rest of the universe, and the moment you actually apply it those ideas just fall apart. But they're nevertheless giving it a try, by doing the thing their sort has always done, and bashing their heads against it until it either gives way through sheer exhaustion or by chance they come across a gap or "clever" workaround. Which has in this case produced the result of; "What if we made it look all shiny and spectacular and action-y, and had a lot of catchy, edgy banter making people look all snappy and cool, so that's what people come to associate with tearing down society? And what if we could make the people without convictions or goals or any other values than getting to do as they feel like into the heroes? Huh? Huh?"
Cinematic animation was revived by Pixar with the release of Toy Story. Part of me wonders when the next 'Pixar', bringing a new medium (like Toy Story brought 3D computer graphics) and propelling some fresh blood into writing, storyboarding, and directing roles, will emerge. But another part of me wonders whether or not cinema is now fully exhausted with no new avenues to explore and no new mediums to develop...
I remember they made a little mermaid tv-show, Aladdin tv-show, everything had a freaking tv-show, and it was all the same IP’s. They just made the same stuff over and over again, sequels nobody asked for that were shit, frankly.
@@MrSmith-ve6yo I've heard some speculation that Skydance could be it. It's too soon to tell, but they did manage to land John Lasseter after Disney kicked him out.
I’ve followed the drinker forever and knew of Russell Brand but didn’t know he did interviews. You can tell by his questions he’s watched a lot of drinkers content, I think that’s nice. And he was able to slip in his own thought while setting up questions he knew his guest could knock out of the park. Excellent interviewing
I've never watched Russell's content but I watch a lot of media reviewers in drinkers sphere, and quite a bit of drinkers content. Russell was a great interviewer, great questions, opened up topics that drinker has a lot of knowledge in. Drinker was actually a little disappointing, he gets asked a question and responds with an explanation only tangently related, maybe getting closer to answering the question at the end. This isn't intentional evasion of the question like you see with some other interviews since I've seen some of his other content that directly answers these questions, so he's not trying to avoid the question, he has an answer, but he just fumbled with the interview. Not sure how that happened, nerves or just a bad day, I'm not sure.
@@NixonsAppendix probably just nerves. The drinker is used to just recording from home. Russel is like an actual public figure. Will wore his sunglasses at first. Tell tale sign of nerves and insecurity. Can’t blame him. Russell is an intimidating dude, what with all that drip and what not.
@@derekfarkas5538True, he's pretty active in livestreams but discussing a film among colleagues is very different than being asked questions from a public figure.
The only issue I have with Brand's interview style is that he tends to ask too many multi part questions. The guests frequently are overwhelmed and have to backtrack. "What was the second part again?" A little more focus or segmentation would be nice. That said, it's not a big deal. His questions are typically insightful and straight forward without much guile. He's pretty good at teeing the ball up for people to knock it downrange. Both these guys are hilarious when they're on a roll.
Roseanne Barr in the early 90's was a female role model/icon without even trying..... and she was the first person Hollywood deleted at the start of this new narrative.
But she wasn't canceled for her views about women though, so that doesn't really add up. If anyone will listen. -- She made some Twitter rant while on Ambien, and it was either more extremely/over-the-top political, or about Bill Cosby, I forget which; but it was not about women, I know that much. ✌
I actually was curious enough to refresh myself on what it technically was. And in doing so, I saw that it's been 5 years now since she was cancelled, so I'll forgive myself. But anyhow, it was actually a ~racist~ tweet, about a former White House adviser, so... This was not a feminism thing, it was a racism thing.. Big difference, just saying.✌
so many of these movies are actually an affront to women. It strips away any of the humanity/innate feminity and foists upon it some abstracted view of what someone believes women should be. It takes all individuality out of it.
This is the modern trend of grouping people into 'communities' that are as you say all supposed to think alike. All 'insert group' (black, asian, gay, lesbian, trans, women etc etc) people are supposed to like the same things, believe the same things and think the same things otherwise they are a traitor to that 'community'.
Around the 30min mark when Drinker mentions about being offended as a writer that these talentless hacks are cannibalising the characters and stories created by their betters is something worth being offended about, I agree wholeheartedly! I have had people question me, or make statements about how changing the characters race or gender, or whatever else is fine, because we are in an age where we need to see diversity and gender. I either argued or fell silent (sometimes it's not worth arguing with people) about why this is actually a very disingenuous and horrible thing to do. I have always said, as a writer, my fear is that someone is going to take my characters and my story and butcher it to fit their own narrative. These stories are a reflection of me, my life experiences, my personality, my world view (as is with any author), and to have someone disrespect my characters and my story is heartbreaking to me. In essence, these people are calling you trash, and with how self-entitled they are and their contempt for the average person, yeah, they absolutely HATE us "low class" people. Just look at the writers strike, and how they demand more money and having "slave wages", or the guy crying because he has to sell is million dollar home. I get it now, why these "rich elites" are acting as they are and saying things as they do. They only care about themselves; the rich, and when they see "scum" like us making a fuss, they hate us "pheasants" even more. To them, we need to know our place, and that place is not equal to them.
Love the drinker. He pinpointed it perfectly. What I love about his videos is his passion for the subject matter and his willingness to say what others won't. That is precisely it.
When I was a kid going to the cinema was an exciting event , movies like Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Predator, Rambo, Terminator, Alien ect , we have been watching sequels for 30 years and not because of a lack of creative writing but because studios are only interested in making money so we now no longer interested.
Yes, and unbelievable horror worse than the film. But I’d take anything Caviesel says with a pinch of salt. They’re on a microchiping buzz atm, him and his Masonic benefactors. They wrapped it 5 years ago. 🤔
It's bollocks tho. I'm a huge fan of '70s and '80s genre cinema and there's no way there was as much representation of people of colour or women as there is today. With honourable exceptions, black guys were always like 'third bloke killed by monsters', and outside of Blaxploitation stuff they certainly didn't get to be film leads
@@jamesharris5707but then, we moved past the 70’s and 80’s. How about Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Samuel L. Jackson, Lawrence Fishburn, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Halle Berry, Whoopi Goldberg, Cicily Tyson, Gabrielle Union, etc. Those are all very famous and well respected black leads who many people were happy to see in a movie, and it was just because they were damn good and entertaining. Not because they were black.
@aimeedouglas1584 Yup and I'd bet every one of them would say the situation has considerably improved in terms of representation since their heyday too, and the range of parts they get considered for
Henry Cavill wanted to stay true to the content of Witcher and because they didn't share that he left. It's nice to have passionate actors and actresses. Also, such a good point about the lack of life experiences that cause a lack of creative and experienced writers! I've thought that for awhile since we have been encouraged to be comfortable with the daily grind and entertainment at our hands.
There has to be a balance though while agree Henrys intentions were noble but alot of actors and actresses are just complete and utter marks for themselves look at the shit Lena headley pulls in GOT it really goes under the rader coz she played the character well how much she did and blocked and she wasnt the only one apparantly
Yes! You even know before you see the review, what the review will be! Woman lead? HATED IT. Black lead? HATED IT. Director whose personal political opinions aren't pro-MAGA? HATED IT! It's just nice to have someone keep me protected from any media that isn't right-wing!
@@sa8019 Unfortunately the talking points on nearly all recent movies are the same, and thats the problem. He just has a knack for pointing out the formulaic nature of Hollywood's downtrend. It's really hard not to see once you're aware what to look for
What a banger of a podcast/conversation with two great YT channels and people. So glad I'm subbed to both. Usually I'm doing laundry, cleaning, or something else when listening to any podcast but I was glued to this!! Edit: I would love and I think we all would love to see another podcast with these two again... I would argue that Rogan levels of time are needed. Like three and a half hours of talking lol!
@@sthubbins4038 are you that afraid to question your political views that you need designated safe spaces? Trump had 4 years to "MAGA" and "provide way better healthcare for way cheaper" and all he did is talk shit on twitter and give a trillion dollar tax cut to millionaires and billionaires in 2018. Not to mention the mountain of indictments and the thousands of lies he told... Oh and trying to overthrow Democracy.
When it comes to media, what has been lost is impartiality. That is what made news anchors famous. We felt we could trust they were trying to tell us the truth. That no longer exists in corporate media, only with the new independents.
I'm 20 now. The first of the Disney "Star Wars" movies is what changed me from the kid that longed to go to the cinema to a cynical critic of all movies (even the good ones, I'm always cautious). I remember seeing that poor excuse for wasting time in a cinema and was just confused. Up to that point basically everything Star Wars ranged from mediocre to amazing and then something awful comes out... It's around that time that I also stopped listening to popular music. It just made me feel empty where King Crimson, Gandalf, Prince, Coltrane etc. lifted me up and made me excited to listen. I'm sometimes depressed because I was born in this age. I don't have a Van Halen, Dio, Steve Vai, Hendrix or Reinhardt to look up to or remember when I'm old (I play guitar). I absolutely hate the thought that I'll have to be nostalgic about things that happened before I was even born because my age offered next to nothing. I feel like I'd be intruding in older people's memories. But I just don't have anything to turn to if a kid in 2060 asks me what music defined my generation or what legendary films came out...
You actually aren't alone. There are a lot of people your age and younger that have this feeling. As for us "old generation," we are happy to share our memories in the hopes the younger people will lean how to do their own thing. Don't be afraid to create your own and not follow the crowd.
This is the time for people in your age group, between 18-27 right now, to become the Dios, the Hendrix, the Reinhardts. There's this MASSIVE strike going on in Hollywood. The longer it goes on the stronger the indie studios are getting. This is the time for young writers to start approaching the smaller studios with big ideas. Fresh ideas. All of this decay is actually the perfect storm for revolution. The time is now, young people. Do it.
I have kids close to your age. They listen to my music, read my books and watch my shows far more than they watch things from today. Trust me, we're just happy that people have the past to fall back on and you are welcome to join us in it.
I'm American. We are losing everything that makes us human. If we crush what it means to be human, we crush creativity. You are right - it is across everything in society. Do you remember the song "the day the music died"? We are there man, crushing our souls. Why Russell's language around spirituality resonates with his viewers - we must stop the crush or everything we are human will die. I am a book lover, and I live by no book more modern than 1984 is any good. Everything is a rehash. So sad! God bless you both!!
@@slowery43 and what you need is to understand that people get excited, also, given half of my comment IS in lower case, your comment doesnt make much sense dude
Russell, Thank you for taking on this crucial cultural subject with this film critic, Will Jordan! Trouble is, there are so many 'moving parts' to the underlying issues of why "Hollywood" is failing to make films that "matter," especially for children - that it's hard to know even where to start. (Before I say more, I recommend to you and your daughters an early film that Hayley Mills made as a child in England - before Walt Disney came courting her. It's called WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND and its fullstop Brilliant!) Anyway, a key reason that 'Hollywood' is utterly failing the world is that it's almost entirely run nowadays by "Suits," executives - and accountants - graduates of Wharton - or Harvard School Of Business. They have NO background in the cinematic or performing arts - or arts appreciation, in general. The original Hollywood Moguls were "Showmen." As kids, they watched films in the Nickolodeon to learn about American culture. Then, they bought them and started making their own films out here. They would hire writers with literary or stage background - and they often requested that they adapt the "Classics" into the film medium. The actors were alumni of live theaters. The Moguls took pride in what they produced and they aspired to have "Class" and be looked up to by society (on a good day). Today's Studio CEOS already think they possess "class" and they produce films carelessly like so much industrial sewage - without a care in the world what anyone thinks! (Remember STEELY DAN's song: "Showbiz Kids makin` movies of themselves, you know they don't give a f*#k about anybody else."
We need more comedies like "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" that's a complete package of solid acting, drama, comedy, and heartfelt emotion. To this day, it's still one of my feel good movies that I go back to and watch.
Yes! “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” was better than it even needed to be. Funny in all the right places, serious when it needed to be . There’s even a character arc! Remember those?
Dude, Trinity from The Matrix was soooooo badass! The woman from Kill Bill?! Holy hell, they were more terrifying than many of the male roles in the films!
Drinker, Mauler, the Critical Doggo and the entire FNT crew are not only great entertainment but quality reviewers. I would love to see Brand on FNT someday.
Love the Drinker. I don’t always agree 100% of the time, but I’ve still been a regular follower of his channel for over a year. It’s great to hear a sober(no pun intended)critique of movies and television.
Glad you uploaded the full version. This was a very insightful interview between two awesome people, and I hope more people see it! Long live the Drinker!
I've got a movie collection that dates back to the 30s through to today, though it doesn't really get very comprehensive until the Noir period got into full swing. What I'd like to know is when was this mythical period when we didn't have movies featuring strong women? Only these people in the industry talk as if they were responsible for inventing the genre, when in truth, it's always existed and the only thing that they deserve credit for is making it unwatchable.
I agree, it's super annoying to hear these ignorant hollywood types claim that there were no good, strong women characters until they came along. Check out "His Girl Friday" made in the 40's where Rosalind Russell was every bit Cary Grants equal --and there were tons of films like that
We had plenty of strong women 'characters " but no so much headliners. They were feminine but not weak. Now we have vulgar females trying to be men. We also turned on Hollywood because they basically turned on their fans. I am excited for the latest enthusiasm for movies like THE SOUND OF FREEDOM! I think that's where our real movie stars will be coming from. Hollywood is out👎... well, I should've waited before commenting. You guys checked all the boxes. Great show!!!
I know enough women in real life who have vulgar sides, without 'trying to be men'. I see what you may be saying generally possibly, but..just tossing that out there myself. You're right about the rest, but I'd love to see people on this channel recognizing a few more 'exceptions' to things instead of all one way or all the other, at times.. It gets a bit stale. Just a thought.
@@whoamellie5610 I was just using an expression. I was trying to emphasize that women have to play a masculine role to be a hero, beating up the enemy etc. I would rather see the female hero as feminine and intelligent and not a female version of the same male character we've seen over and over.
@@vlrissolo You're actually just further continuing toward the same point I was distinguishing exceptions against, but mmkay.. 😏 No point in debating ideas of gender roles, I think most people already have their minds made up about what men and women 'should' be, so whatever ✌I doubt any Hollywood producers or influencers read commemts like these; and above all I don't wish to continue the endless unrest in the world anyway. Sayonara. ✌
I know I said 'no point in..' etc., but I'm tired of stereotypes. All I'm saying is that if there's been such a thing as female wrestlers, etc., for decades -- it doesn't ~always~ have to be a 'male thing' necessarily to execute violent-type scenes. That's actually part of the Hollywood & other media types' age-old trope. So it's inevitably been drilled into our heads for decades -- that 'picture/images' of what men or women 'should be'. I'm not sure I've seen as many ~movies~ where female ass-kicking was enjoyable, but I know I liked the Buffy The Vampire Slayer series, and the 2000 Charlie's Angels movie 😄 All of those women made it enjoyable & root-for-able, ha. Seriously. And it didn't seem like they were doing a 'male' thing at all. But as far as what someone would "rather see" as you directly said -- that's subjective to each individual's preferences of course, so..that actually takes us back to 'no point in debating..' this that & the other thing.
@@whoamellie5610 Yeah, whatever. You're right. Isn't that what you want to hear? After all, you said at the beginning of your novel, I was "right " about some things, or something to that nature. I see it's about who's "right" to you, not about our opinions. I'm not getting into any B.S. in the comments here. I did not read your novel.. Just take satisfaction in the notion that you are RIGHT!... Geez...next time rather than insulting other viewers, you may want to reword your response to "I disagree" or "I agree "
The Critical Drinker and Gary from Nerdrotic need so much more respect. They may just be, "cultural news", but they are so important to our ongoing culture war.
Gary become an obvious grifter and Drinker become so dishonest can't take him seriously anymore, dude changes his video titles when he's proven wrong (cough HOTD)
Actors aren’t challenged by long drawn out scenes and reams of dialogue….they seem to clip along quickly with the loss of continuity and difficulty in digesting exactly what is being portrayed. Love you both and keep doing what you do so well.
The writer comment, was my favorite. We have an entire generation who were overprotected, and never got to live. Their only identity is borrowed pieces of causes they don't even understand.
The thought that some hack at a publishing office is going to "censor" P.G. Wodehouse to make his language acceptable to modern readers absolutely boils my blood. Is Shakespeare next? It's a short step. Wodehouse is a giant of comedic prose.
When did censorship become a good thing? If they actually alter Roald Dahl’s books, I really hope my library refuses to touch them. Also, rewriting history to feel less offensive is genuinely insane. We NEED to know the mistakes and crimes of the past so we can prevent them from happening again.
We’re at a cultural dead end. We’re so petrified of offending the minorities, whether that be trans, ethnic, sexual (female) or whatever that we’ve stagnated in our own effluent. Name one new art movement, musical, cinematic, fashion or anything movement that has happened in the west this century. Same could be said for science. All at a dead end.
The Last Crusade did it right where respecting the older generation is concerned. The tug of war between Indy and his father is absolutely brilliant, you can see the flaws of both characters and watch the impact these flaws have on each other yet his father is still given time to shine (the umbrella scene for example). Indy didn't have to have a titanic dump on his father to get ahead in the eyes of the audience. Contrast that with the car crash portrayals of Mary Sue Skywalker and Not-My-Luke.
Watched this already, will happily watch again. Two points: 1) I blame social media for why we don’t have many movie stars left. SoMe have given us a window into these celebs’ personal lives and all it’s done is revealed that most of them are uneducated ignorants with no idea about what it means to be a “normal” person. 2) Russel asks such a good question (many, ofc): What should my little girls watch? Drinker’s suggestions make it very clear what his niche is in the movie business, haha. I wouldn’t let my daughters watch Alien until they’re teens, because I actually want them to like it and not be scared shitless, haha. But what should lil girls watch? I grew up with the Disney princesses of the 1990s and despite all the issues about insta-love and passive women waiting to be rescued, I think I turned out pretty well!
There’s no issue with the old school princess cartoons. The live action princess movies are another story as they are heavily butchered versions of their original stories. Later on though when they are older you can introduce them to the badass female lead films like Alien, Kill Bill, Million Dollar Baby. There’s tons of great female lead films with a strong female lead that give you awesome heroic journeys rather than this is a badass incredibly strong woman with 0 flaws.
The problem is not with the movies it's with the audience. When I was a kid, I didn't need a hero to be the same sex or color or anything else as me. I never wanted to see myself. I wanted to see someone I could aspire to be. I want to see someone better than me. The weaknesses and struggles that the characters undergo are what we actually identify with, not what they look like. Most of my favorite characters share no descriptors with me at all.
100% agree, when I was a kid never even thought about race or gender and it has carried over to my adult hood. Good characters and good story's no agenda's thank you.
Actually, the problem is not the audience in majority, it's the small, yet vocal ( more likely "Twitter loud", if you get me) minority of audience that asks for this kind of special treatment, and Hollywood and media making the irrational decision to cater to them, and not to the majority of normal audience.
Exactly One of my favourite movie characters as a kid was Sgt Apone from aliens I was a 10 yr old Aussie white kid and he was a black over 40 ex marine Loved that dude !
Russell your girls don’t need strong female super hero actors, we had Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep, Sally Fields, Sigourney Weaver, Halle Berry playing diverse roles with dignity and strength showing vulnerability and character. My favourite character of all time is Scarlett O’Hara who was vain and beautiful but strong in determination to achieve her goals in very harsh conditions, but, never gives up even after Rhett leaves her. She goes back home to build her life again.
Babylon 5 was full of strong female characters. Susan Ivanova, Lyta Alexander (nobody messed with her), Delenn, Na'Toth, Captain Lochley, the list goes on. I've been watching that old show again and enjoying it as much as when it was first run almost 30 years ago. If you've never seen it, it was a great show based on a great story and it had fantastic characters. Season one is a bit slow, but once season two starts the pace picks up. Good stuff. Special mention to Peter Jurasik and the late Andreas Katsulas as Ambassadors Londo Mollari and G'Kar. The relationship between those two characters really made the show. The writing was pretty amazing too. I think B5 was the first show of its kind, with all five seasons being written before the first episode was shot. Talk about continuity. A trait this show shared with many of today's more popular shows is the fact that the good guys aren't always good, and the bad guys aren't always bad. Londo Mollari and Mr. Bestor are two great examples of that. Mollari is a likeable but flawed creature, driven by ambition, he starts a war that kills billions. Bestor, on the other hand, takes aggressive actions which in his mind are acts of self-preservation. Bestor is the villain you love to hate in this show, but once you understand his motivations, you hate him just a little bit less. You may even feel a bit sympathetic toward him. I just love the writing in Babylon 5. The show is still one of my favorites and always will be.
Bought Babylon 5 seasons 1 through to 5 ,plus the movies on Amazon and have them downloaded so I can watch them as much as I want ,loved that program and the hidden message in each episode and what I learnt from Babylon 5 was everyone is unique and different from each other and should be able to get on with their own life on their own terms .
Love you bringing up B5. My niece just started watching it a few months ago. And I'm overdue for a rewatch. What did you think of Farscape? Lots of strong, complex characters there too.
I remember one Christmas, my dad bought my a TV with the DVD player and VCR player slots built in. The dvd that came with it was the box set of Indiana Jones. I was so grateful and became obsessed with Indiana Jones. Such a shame to see such an amazing franchise be butchered twice (2008 and 2023). Just stop.
Awesome conversation! I'm a big movie fan and the older I get ( and look at the current options) the more I feel drawn to movies of the 60's to early 2000's.
@6:40 I would argue that Hollywood knows exactly what it’s doing. The message of the day from America is “I’m Sorry.” And to a more specific degree, “I’m sorry we’re white and Male”. It’s a depressing message to put out there, and one that, I would argue, is the most lazy.
There’s 42 years between my son and I. The vast majority of the music he listens to is what I listened to when I was his age. I’ve been thinking that this was just a result of superior parenting.. now I found I out that it’s nothing more than a total collapse in creativity. Thanks for completely destroying my delusion Drinker you dick!😂
Some of my favorite moments: "Dad, I found this really cool song! Listen to it!" "Yeah, I used to listen to this in High School" "...I thought it was new ... It's not fair, why did your generation have all the cool stuff?"
@@peterbigblock yup… when I hear a good song that I haven’t heard in years I’ll TH-cam it to him. I thought I was father of the year. As it turns out today’s music just blows. Who knew!😂
Like napalm records, anytime I see that record company I know it's gonna be the exact same sound as every other metal band they have. The only bands that don't fall into the napalm cesspool are bands that were already 20-30 years old still putting out albums.
Kate Beckinsale in Underworld, Mila Jovovich in Resident Evil, Demi Moore in G.I. Jane, Natalie Portman in V for Vendetta, Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider, Uma Thurman & Lucy Liu in Kill Bill, Emily Browning and cast in Sucker Punch, Jennifer Lawrence in The Hunger Games, etc...
@@HatGuy2022 Hollywood left us off in order to fulfill the Globalist Agenda. We cannot have the USA Superiority or Pride interfering in their plans for us.
I’ve recently started music reactions on TH-cam….. mostly late teens to thirty. Seeing the sadness eventually in their eyes. Realising that their generation can’t do anything without auto tune, airbrushing etc. When they are hugely surprised and are disbelieving that those vocals are live. Breaks my heart seeing and hearing their wish to have been alive “in the old days “
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only destroy what good people have created" J.R.Tolkien
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Ain't that the truth...
and then his work was bought by amazon... what an ironic world we live in.
C. S. Lewis parrots something similar in 'Mere Christianity'
@@doormatt72 Life imitating art...:)
An Englishman and a Scot had a conversation about politics and no one died. Bravo.
hope UK prevails
Scots and Englishmen literally conquered half the world together. A certain political party (SNP) dredges up hatred to keep themselves in power using a 'us VS them' framing to drum up nationalistic tension between two nations of shared history and blood.
Britain is strongest when Scots and English act as brothers.
@@riatorex8722The 'English' monarch that descends from multiple Scottish kings? That one?
Haha yeh, seeing as it was,a Scotsman that united the crowns of England and Scotland respectively.
@@BeBe-vh4ry yeah, they Germans sitting on that throne are nothing to do with Scotland... 🙄
“Created by geniuses and inherited by morons” - this is it. A summary of modern times. You have a new subscriber ❤
His movie reviews are great, but it's video's like "Why the past matters", "Why do we need heroes" and "The girl who wouldn't back down" that really leave me stunned and why I subscribed.
@@Bonez0r I subbed for the reviews too, absolutely, but I was blown away with his cultural critiques and how ironically eloquent he could put my feelings into words. He's truly a top tier YTer
Substitute "morons" with "ideologues" and I agree
@@mikerollin4073 They are both
“[…] and the meek will inherit the Earth.”
The Critical Drinker is the only movie critic I've come to consistently trust.
Great to see him on this show
Jonny Law is also well worth checking out
@@andytopley314 Thanks... I will.
Nerdrotic is good too.
There's been a few of his takes I've disagreed with but generally his tastes tend to line up with mine
@@Fadaar - also, sometimes his only take on a movie is based on what he's heard or how its box office has gone, not what it is. Elemental was a good film, but it was trashed by so many people because the reviews were not up to par and people just assumed what it would be like based on the studio and summary. I would be surprised if he actually saw it.
Ellen Ripley is badass in Alien and Aliens because she is as terrified as the audience is, yet she does what has to be done to survive. That’s a hero.
Yes I think that's why horror films traditionally have female leads -- it makes it scarier when viewing from a woman's perspective. (If it was a man we'd probably just shout "get a grip mate" at screen!)
It's not just that it's a hero but it's a person. How do I relate with a character without basic human emotions?
@@ollie1795 where did Leia hurt you
Can you imagine if Alien was made today?
Opening Scene: Ship lands on planet, sees a crashed ship filled with eggs. One of the eggs opens up and a face hugger grabs one of the crew. They take him to the ship...
Doctor: They have acid for blood, this thing can't be removed.
Woke Ripley: Step aside male oppressor, let me do it.
Doctor: That's impossible, how did you do it?
Woke Ripley: Shut up male oppressor, every woman is born with the ability to perform brain surgery.
Doctor: This thing planted an egg in his throat.
Woke Ripley: Not a problem.
Doctor: Let's throw this thing away.
Woke Ripley: Now I have to go invent FTL travel, stay here and do you job for once.
Outside the aliens see they failed to invade the ship, so they send alien monsters at attack the ship. Thousands of aliens surround the ship, and start to climb to the airlocks.
Pilot: We're under attack, what do we do?
Woke Ripley: I'll take care of this.
Pilot: But there are thousands of them out there.
Woke Ripley: So it's going to be just like walking down the street as a woman...
Final Alien Monster: Arg!
Woke Ripley: You monsters are wasting my time.
Engineer: The alien's acid blood damaged the ship, we need to perform repairs.
Woke Ripley: I have better things to do.
Engineer: What could be more important than the structural integrity of the ship.
Woke Ripley: Your male brain couldn't understand.
Woke Ripley then proceeds to create a functional FTL drive, allowing the ship to travel back to Earth in mere days. She installs it into the ship by herself, as none of the other crew are smart enough to even help her.
Woke Ripley: I installed the Femininity Drive to the ship, now we can travel faster than light.
Pilot: No we can't, that's impossible. It violates the laws of physics.
Woke Ripley: Only your pathetic male science, I'm not limited by such things.
Android: There is no male or female science, there's just science.
Woke Ripley: Shut up oppressor
Pilot: He was a robot all this time?
Woke Ripley: I hate male robots, disgusting...
Pilot: How did you know?
Woke Ripley: I'm a woman, we just know things. When you're ready to do your job, let's head home.
Heroine.
Don't forget, she's female!
People want entertainment, not propaganda.
Exactly 💯💯
Depends how you define propaganda.
Some people think Priscilla Queen of the Desert is queer propaganda.....
@owenarnold7611 if you can't discern what's propaganda, that's your own problem.
A lot more people are now.. god forgive me.. woke to the understanding of being propagandized morning noon and night by all forms of media.
Yes what we want back is, in entertainment and at the very least, those sparkling gems of human creativity which will pass the test of time.
@@owenarnold7611You're kidding. Propaganda isn't relative.
The Drinkers reviews are more entertaining than the movies themselves. 10/10
True words!
Muh Rey Skywalker, I'm angry about a children's movie, something something captain marvel, woke go broke. Here I saved you 10 minutes.
Fact
@@sa8019when has he ever got angry? 😂 dude is just reviewing movies that he likes and doesn’t like, someone sounds upset on behalf of a corporation 💀
Yep. The man just speak the truth.
He hit the nail on the head. With the high cost of film production, Hollywood has evolved from creative production to financial risk management.
Yeah, and the music and video game industry have fallen to the same dogma.
The money men have always decided.
Its all being decided by people with zero practical experience. They cant even see a good product when there is one in front of them, they need some kind of validation since they have zero relatable skills to decide things like that
Except that they are losing money hand over fist because of the absolute trash they are bringing out. Disney alone has lost nearly $900 million from their last 8 releases. So even the "financial risk management" doesn't hold water when they are haemorrhaging money with every production.
It's deeper and much darker than this simplistic explanation
The Critical Drinker is a great critic and an even better author. It’s great to see him get the attention he deserves!
Hopefully he stays on because its jacktrack. ..
Yea his writing is actually really top quality. He is a word smith.
What did he write? I'll have to go look for it.
Some of his "critiques" are a little forced to serve his political rhetoric. First to come to mind was his being "offended" that the black dragons in Witcher polymorphed into black humans.
@@sarahgould5435 He's written a series of military spy thrillers about a character named Ryan Drake. The first is called "Redemption" and the second is called "Sacrifice." They need to be read in order as the characters and stories are continued. Enjoy!
EDIT: He's written many more than just these two books. These are the only ones I've personally read so far.
“Instead of movie stars, we just have characters.” And Hollywood is frantically destroying those characters as fast as possible.
Those characters are just commodities to Hollywood studio executives. They don't even pretend to understand what makes a character tick or what made the character endearing in its initial incarnation. Now they just toss characters into a blender and see what happens.
@@kthx1138 😭
To be honest, i couldn't care less for "movie starts", but yeah hollywood is destroying those characters pretty fast these days.
@@sportyeight7769 actually… same here
It's funny, this should be a positive statement. Imagine a world where instead of movie stars bringing us to the cinema, we go to see various actors portraying well written, well developed, fully realized characters. We should want characters over stars, but instead we get caricatures with recognizable names and little else.
The Drinker is awesome. Great to see you both having a chat. You're 100% correct about these movie makers hating their audience. Disney is a masterclass on how to lose a large paying demographic and influencing absolutely nobody. Total ineptitude
Hail drinker
well... Disney make them self feel better 😂😂😂
He’s got some good takes and a real passion for literature and film. I love his reviews and take on Hollywood as an industry.
But I do find some of his reviews or takes reactionary and click harbouring though which fair play TH-cam is basically a second job but it does take some of the genuineness out of a few videos.
@@TheMightyMidget sure, I agree, I found my self disagreeing with some of his points. But at this time we can't look for perfection anymore, we need to accept that half agree is same as agree 😁
Well the thing about disney, hollywood and prod houses,Budweisers now and all them big corps jumping aboard the woke train .the plan isn’t about influencing more peoples to get onboard ,it’s only to keep y’all angry and feel useless against it . That’s it! that’s how they keep peoples in control,trough chaos.keep your shit tight and they have no power over you,easy.and eff their bs entertainment.everything’s about each of us influencing the world around ourselves.that’s where the game is played
ESG scores are why this is happening. Disney can lose money but as long as the boxes are checked, Blackrock funds them!
Came here to say this. Nuts innit!!
ESG needs to be rendered constitutionally illegal. Banks are not arbiters of ethics, morality, or social morays. Period.
DeCouple from all these monsters until they are no longer funded.
what do those two companies and in fact most other corp that control everything have in common?
@@WillyEckaslike👃🏽👃🏼👃🏻
Almost every time I see a trailer for a new movie I ask myself “Don’t people in Hollywood read?” There are so many amazing books that could be turned into movies, then again based on the latest I wouldn’t want them to ruin stories & characters.
Many are either too lazy, or on strike.
I doubt most of them can read above 4th Grade. That is technically literate, but it's not very interesting.
Be careful what you wish for. See things like The Witcher or Wheel of Time to see just how much they can screw up.
That's so true. We want to see movies from good books.
Don't give them ideas, look at how The Witcher was "adapted". Look at what they did to my boy.
Katharine Hepburn made a career of being a strong Female character over 70 years ago and these people in Hollywood act as if it is something new.
Great example.
I'm pretty sure Jennifer Lawrence had the first strong female role in history. Everything that happened before is just toxic tyranny from the white supremacist patriarchy, so we should just forget about that. Otherwise someone gets offended or something.
Hepburn was good,but Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyk were better.
Throw in Kathleen Byron,Margaret Rutherford and Greer Garson,and you have a cadre of actresses that would run ring around any of the so called actresses of today.@@careypridgeon
Strong women have been common in folk tales and mythologies as well across the world even at the height of "conservatism" and religiosity. So strong female characters are nothing new to literature and storytelling.
Let's face it, the Critical Drinker not only is 100% right, he has a golden voice. He should do audio books
He maybe has narrated some of his own books. I forget the pseudonym he writes under.
@@noelienoelie8425 Will Jordan.
@@noelienoelie8425 Will Jordan (which I think might be his real name, unless his family name really IS 'Drinker' which, Scottish, so.....)
@@URMyNewTV I know his name but I'm not sure if he writes under his real name.
And you have a golden hair.. real or dye?
I feel like our culture peaked in the late 90s. Movies, music, television and video games have all basically stagnated.
yup...average americans dont have any clue who plays any sports anymore and a large chunk of young entertainers no one knows or cares about...
were living off our peak...i cant imagine what america will be like in 20 years as far as culture...all the greats will be dead..there will be nothing
Final Fantasy LXXXVII these days 😝
Possibly we need 'the great reset' u think??
70s 80s and 90s and then the decline began.
80s Fantasy, and 90s Action rules.
I think the problem with big Hollywood movies these days is that they start with a checklist (we need x number of female characters, x number of gay characters, etc). They then try to craft a story around that checklist rather than coming up with original ideas or well crafted characters and driving the story organically.
they are pushing the message...and the aim is to dest society
I concur. Shit is super stupid.
It isn't just Hollywood it is universities, politics and employers doing it..
Exactly. And it’s everywhere. Pervasive in all institutions, academia, retail outlets, corporations, etc. And it benefits no one and produces garbage.
@@scottashe984 (they) now have complete cont over everything
One of the biggest iconic characters in cinema is Rocky. He lost the final match, but we know he won something far greater as he faced the challenge and grew as a man from it. We absolutely identify with struggle far more than the hand given win.
I love in Rocky 2 when he asks Apollo if he gave him everything he had, as in - did you respect me enough to really give me a fair fight? Did I do okay against a champion? Apollo affirms that he did, and Rocky says thank you. Rocky thanks him for beating the hell out of him (lol), because it meant he earned the respect of a champion. It validated his worth.
@b.b.2684 People who give it their all deserve respect.
Rocky III was the end of the series.......
@@mustardnbiscuits5338 Rocky 5 followed more of the story and character development. Rocky 4 is just fun ❤🤍💙
@@mustardnbiscuits5338 I was gonna argue that but I guess rocky 4 was kinda unecessary...solidified his love for apollo, showed how far theyd come in success and then....... great montages with inspiring songs...yay but, not needed.
Whaaaaaat!? Good on you “drinker” for landing this interview!
Drinker is the man. Him and Chris Gore are my favorite movie critics. Good to see him getting the recognition!
Russell I love seeing what you have grown into. Seeing so many in Hollywood fall and you stand talk is refreshing mate.
Gettin' those MAGA bucks!
@@sthubbins4038 As do the other 6.56M subscribers.
@@sthubbins4038Trump spands the entire political spectrum like a rainbow !
@@sthubbins4038 He's never even supported Trump, he just doesn't have TDS. You should get over yours
Yeah cool 😊...let's not forget that this is a business also 😮😊🎉
"...lost their spirit of creativity."
I remember in the late '90s, Disney basically abandoned original pictures. They made only sequels for their old, successful IPs. And even when I was a child I looked at that and said, "This isn't sustainable." That's very much how I feel about this current cinematic era.
This isn't just Disney. It isn't even just Hollywood; This is movies everywhere. And music, and games, and everything and everywhere. Because it's exactly correct that this is of the culture, and...
Well, the answer to why characters so often come off as unlikable these days? It's not to do with the "not allowed to fail;" e.g. Clint Eastwood had a whole career of "badass right out of the gates" characters. And there's plenty more one could name. Plenty of good characters we like who don't have, or need, "moments of vulnerability" or clashing humor or happenstances - or when they do, these things are played off as little "touches" and only serve to heighten characters which already were great.
Interestingly, we still get a load of great villains though. Huh. Now why is that? Well, there's a useful contrast here...
Oh sure, there's a lot of "for the evulz" trash that has started cropping up. But that is even more frequently panned. And even in things like the damnable overcommercialized quirkyhumor-injected Marvel movies, we've got spectacular characters like Ultron and Zemo and Thanos. Even in that plastic product. Look around, and you'll see a disproportionate amount of good villains to lame or even odious main characters. In some ways, it's even gotten so "bad" that monstrous ones are still so much the best thing to the movie as compared to the "hero" that people now root for the bad guy. Not to mention the plain uptick in sympathetic or affable villains.
Because villains, even more so than heroes, need motivations for what they do. They need rationales, backgrounds, causes - causALITY. They need actual concepts and ideas to them. Even something "unknowable" like e.g. John Carpenter's "Thing" or the Color Out Of Space, or someone with no history like the Joker, is defined by the threat and the element of terror of the unknown or sanely incomprehensible or fundamentally wrong and anarchic. And with reference to that former plasticky shit, a good central idea or logos can turn a bad villain instantly great; Look at Thanos. The comic book character? Trash. A rubber-forehead-alien overpowered "ultimate bad guy" generated by a constant game of upping the stakes. But the writers took that, and instead applied the genuine depth of ideas, of crazy Darwinism, "chaotic fairness" and ultimate ends-justifying pragmatism, and added a dash of Determinator scary willpower. And boom, instant hit.
Villains need causes or concepts to center around, in order to be actual villains. In order to be proper threats. To be able to justify the camera lingering on them as characters for even a second. Which means that in this era of empty, pointless and aimless Letzte Mensch goblin-politics...
Well, they've been able to reduce the "heroes" to their own shallow understanding of "character." Namely, an empty shell of "identity" we're supposed to sympathize with because of what the writers and executives and whatnot projectively consider to be the relevant commonalities - skin color, sex, some superficial culture markers or over-cliché personality "quirks." Characters who, at best if at all, stumble through hackneyed explanations or perform noticeably "injected" and fumbling scenes that are supposed to give us some idea of their motivations and goals, because the writers felt that there "had to be something there." Like some Zuckerbergian lizard-robot in a High School drama production, shoved into a costume, knowing the lines and what emotions are supposed to be displayed but with no feel or temper for them. Like someone reading a language they don't speak, getting all the pronounciations wrong.
But then, they haven't been able to move on and reduce the villains. Not the same way. Sure they've tried that one too, but that sunk the movies even more completely, and even before the industry started getting into full Woke.
This is a contrast which highlights what not just movies, but ALL plot-driven entertainment, has really been about since forever. Since the damn Mycenaean Greeks; The symbolic exploration of precisely... concepts and ideas. Philosophy, essentially. Philosophy in practice, and its causalities, displayed on stage or screen. Even filth like teen dramas or old sitcoms at least represents ideas of human fallibility or foolishness and ego, or has episodes centered around or at least making pointers to moral lessons. Sci-fi has been, I think an examination might note, "sort of" spared to a great degree, because even where the characters falter it is a genre entirely centered around exploring staggering or frightening concepts or technological implications, and so the settings have often filled in the void.
Strong female characters? One can almost perfectly separate the "Woke" examples from the genuine ones, using this understanding to pinpoint the lack of meaning; The Woke variants - Rey, Captain Marvel, etc. - are "strong" in portrayed competence and will in only that shallow sense of "character," with all show and no telos, no core idea or cause. However much they can punch someone into pulp and do mind tricks with no former experience, they lack a foundational element of drive, or else that drive is egoistic or immature or their understanding or portrayal of that drive is hamfisted or nonsensical. Their put-on "power" is an obvious and tacky overcompensation effort. However "strong," events still happen to them, rather than vice versa. And so they are hated by all. Whereas Ripley, Starling, Brown, Vi, Vertaski... Weak and cornered and crying and scared out of their wits and desperately trying to put up fronts to shield themselves, they nevertheless have their bottoms, the motivations and drives they center on, and they stand by and act them out. And so they are appreciated as genuine. And they are beloved.
An attempt at trying to enforce meaninglessness. That's what's going on. The attempt to make it the accepted throughline of the culture. And as always, the Golden Rule of Woke Projection applies; It comes from the fact that the people doing the telling, the writing, the directing and so on, cannot themselves understand or imagine meaning. That they are fundamentally motivated against and away from it. Because meaning requires definition, and definition in turn implies standards. Absolutes and fundamentals, measures and consequence.
And those people? They can't live with that. They can't live in, or on, that. They are who and where they are for no better reasons than precisely such "identity;" Placement, happenstance, connections and nepotism, face and profile, sucked off the right professor or suit out of management... Halfwits to actual competents to semi-geniuses, they nevertheless lack originality and core, like their characters. And are ultimately losers and dead-ends whom events just "happen to," like their characters. Because their only motivation is "Me." They are the human form of the proverbial Survival Engine. The one-dimensional "Graph Goes Up"-people. No future and not fit for anything higher than Darwinian selection - and Darwinian levels of loss and inefficiency. Because in the absence of that meaning or self-drive they can only react; And when things stop genuinely happening, and they have to merely bounce off one another, then all that ultimately creates is a feedback loop of noise and nonsense and an inward and downward spiral.
Unfortunately for them, they're still human, and the world is still real. And so they can't escape at least something of that feeling, that niggling sense or those occasional hard elbows of consequence, which nevertheless annoyingly remind them that they're unworthy. That they're in the wrong place and that they're screwing things up by their very presence. Yet, they live off and are at this point probably almost as if bred to hold certain rationalizations, or to not even be physically able to entertain the idea that they might be unjustified in what they do, if not that justification was ever required. And so, well... What to do, other than try to push their perception onto the world? Or soothe that bruised ego with some consistently shallow "philanthropy." The really big bozos or "too-smart-for-that" ones get into politics, get profiled, or get some of their ill gotten gains together, and throw it on some meaningless vanity or silver bullet.
And if they're in culture or media? Fields which are all about portrayal and facade already? Well, it's damn difficult to actually act out "equity" or "social justice" a.s.f. and have it make sense in story. In fact, it's goddamned impossible, because causality is as solid as the rest of the universe, and the moment you actually apply it those ideas just fall apart. But they're nevertheless giving it a try, by doing the thing their sort has always done, and bashing their heads against it until it either gives way through sheer exhaustion or by chance they come across a gap or "clever" workaround. Which has in this case produced the result of; "What if we made it look all shiny and spectacular and action-y, and had a lot of catchy, edgy banter making people look all snappy and cool, so that's what people come to associate with tearing down society? And what if we could make the people without convictions or goals or any other values than getting to do as they feel like into the heroes? Huh? Huh?"
Cinematic animation was revived by Pixar with the release of Toy Story. Part of me wonders when the next 'Pixar', bringing a new medium (like Toy Story brought 3D computer graphics) and propelling some fresh blood into writing, storyboarding, and directing roles, will emerge. But another part of me wonders whether or not cinema is now fully exhausted with no new avenues to explore and no new mediums to develop...
I remember they made a little mermaid tv-show, Aladdin tv-show, everything had a freaking tv-show, and it was all the same IP’s. They just made the same stuff over and over again, sequels nobody asked for that were shit, frankly.
@@SakhmeovLong af, but True af
@@MrSmith-ve6yo I've heard some speculation that Skydance could be it. It's too soon to tell, but they did manage to land John Lasseter after Disney kicked him out.
The same media which defended the movie Cuties, trying to take down Sound of Freedom.
Does make me wonder why..
I’ve followed the drinker forever and knew of Russell Brand but didn’t know he did interviews. You can tell by his questions he’s watched a lot of drinkers content, I think that’s nice. And he was able to slip in his own thought while setting up questions he knew his guest could knock out of the park. Excellent interviewing
I've never watched Russell's content but I watch a lot of media reviewers in drinkers sphere, and quite a bit of drinkers content. Russell was a great interviewer, great questions, opened up topics that drinker has a lot of knowledge in. Drinker was actually a little disappointing, he gets asked a question and responds with an explanation only tangently related, maybe getting closer to answering the question at the end. This isn't intentional evasion of the question like you see with some other interviews since I've seen some of his other content that directly answers these questions, so he's not trying to avoid the question, he has an answer, but he just fumbled with the interview. Not sure how that happened, nerves or just a bad day, I'm not sure.
@@NixonsAppendix probably just nerves. The drinker is used to just recording from home. Russel is like an actual public figure. Will wore his sunglasses at first. Tell tale sign of nerves and insecurity. Can’t blame him. Russell is an intimidating dude, what with all that drip and what not.
@@derekfarkas5538True, he's pretty active in livestreams but discussing a film among colleagues is very different than being asked questions from a public figure.
The only issue I have with Brand's interview style is that he tends to ask too many multi part questions. The guests frequently are overwhelmed and have to backtrack. "What was the second part again?" A little more focus or segmentation would be nice.
That said, it's not a big deal. His questions are typically insightful and straight forward without much guile. He's pretty good at teeing the ball up for people to knock it downrange.
Both these guys are hilarious when they're on a roll.
Russell is an amazing interviewer
Roseanne Barr in the early 90's was a female role model/icon without even trying..... and she was the first person Hollywood deleted at the start of this new narrative.
She's pure class
Roseanne is 🔥
Talk about a strong female role model. I love that she says what she means! Even if you don’t agree with her, you gotta love her moxie.
But she wasn't canceled for her views about women though, so that doesn't really add up. If anyone will listen.
-- She made some Twitter rant while on Ambien, and it was either more extremely/over-the-top political, or about Bill Cosby, I forget which; but it was not about women, I know that much. ✌
I actually was curious enough to refresh myself on what it technically was. And in doing so, I saw that it's been 5 years now since she was cancelled, so I'll forgive myself. But anyhow, it was actually a ~racist~ tweet, about a former White House adviser, so... This was not a feminism thing, it was a racism thing.. Big difference, just saying.✌
Seeing Critical Drinker here warms my cold heart.
This was a totally unexpected combination I didn't see coming, but I'm all up for it. Love them both
As a woman, I'm tired of being told what to think, like, and feel. Not every woman has to like or believe the same things.
Funny, as a HUMAN BEING, I feel the same way!
@@bpuryea Touché!!
so many of these movies are actually an affront to women. It strips away any of the humanity/innate feminity and foists upon it some abstracted view of what someone believes women should be. It takes all individuality out of it.
This is the modern trend of grouping people into 'communities' that are as you say all supposed to think alike. All 'insert group' (black, asian, gay, lesbian, trans, women etc etc) people are supposed to like the same things, believe the same things and think the same things otherwise they are a traitor to that 'community'.
@@T-1001 Exactly!
Around the 30min mark when Drinker mentions about being offended as a writer that these talentless hacks are cannibalising the characters and stories created by their betters is something worth being offended about, I agree wholeheartedly!
I have had people question me, or make statements about how changing the characters race or gender, or whatever else is fine, because we are in an age where we need to see diversity and gender.
I either argued or fell silent (sometimes it's not worth arguing with people) about why this is actually a very disingenuous and horrible thing to do.
I have always said, as a writer, my fear is that someone is going to take my characters and my story and butcher it to fit their own narrative. These stories are a reflection of me, my life experiences, my personality, my world view (as is with any author), and to have someone disrespect my characters and my story is heartbreaking to me.
In essence, these people are calling you trash, and with how self-entitled they are and their contempt for the average person, yeah, they absolutely HATE us "low class" people.
Just look at the writers strike, and how they demand more money and having "slave wages", or the guy crying because he has to sell is million dollar home.
I get it now, why these "rich elites" are acting as they are and saying things as they do.
They only care about themselves; the rich, and when they see "scum" like us making a fuss, they hate us "pheasants" even more. To them, we need to know our place, and that place is not equal to them.
Love the drinker. He pinpointed it perfectly. What I love about his videos is his passion for the subject matter and his willingness to say what others won't. That is precisely it.
There’s people out there creating new great stories but no studio wants to fund them.
Much cheaper to fund AI, it doesn’t eat very much 🙄
I have wrote small scripts for games/cartoons/movies. Not easy and have never taken them serious but they actually have a story.
When Blackrock stops funding these studios, in a decade or so, we may see better content. Till then......
When I was a kid going to the cinema was an exciting event , movies like Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Predator, Rambo, Terminator, Alien ect , we have been watching sequels for 30 years and not because of a lack of creative writing but because studios are only interested in making money so we now no longer interested.
Do not worry, soon we will be LIVING
The Matrix,
Terminator,
The Cutter,
Bicentennial Man,
iRobot,
AI and what not.
Sound of Freedom is an original. And Hollywood tries like Hell to bury it. That is based on a true story.
Yes, and unbelievable horror worse than the film. But I’d take anything Caviesel says with a pinch of salt. They’re on a microchiping buzz atm, him and his Masonic benefactors. They wrapped it 5 years ago. 🤔
True.
Russel is an awesome interviewer, no pushing gotcha moments, he respect who he is interviewing. Really cool seeing these two talking
Omg Drinker! This is amazing. This is a conversation I didnt know I needed to hear. You deserve this kind of recognition man ❤
Great interview! Glad The Drinker is getting the recognition he deserves
The Drinker is spot on! Great characters were just great characters. We never focused on what race or gender they were.
No one seems to care about gender or race with the exception of governments.
It's bollocks tho. I'm a huge fan of '70s and '80s genre cinema and there's no way there was as much representation of people of colour or women as there is today. With honourable exceptions, black guys were always like 'third bloke killed by monsters', and outside of Blaxploitation stuff they certainly didn't get to be film leads
@@jamesharris5707but then, we moved past the 70’s and 80’s. How about Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Samuel L. Jackson, Lawrence Fishburn, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Halle Berry, Whoopi Goldberg, Cicily Tyson, Gabrielle Union, etc. Those are all very famous and well respected black leads who many people were happy to see in a movie, and it was just because they were damn good and entertaining. Not because they were black.
@aimeedouglas1584 Yup and I'd bet every one of them would say the situation has considerably improved in terms of representation since their heyday too, and the range of parts they get considered for
@@aimeedouglas1584 Eddie Murphy (Beverly Hills Cop), Robert Downy Jr (Tropic Thunder)
Henry Cavill wanted to stay true to the content of Witcher and because they didn't share that he left. It's nice to have passionate actors and actresses.
Also, such a good point about the lack of life experiences that cause a lack of creative and experienced writers! I've thought that for awhile since we have been encouraged to be comfortable with the daily grind and entertainment at our hands.
If only Harrison and Mark did the same.
Just one of the many negatives of a generation of young adults raised by over indulgent helicopter moms.
They also accused Henry of my soggy knee
There has to be a balance though while agree Henrys intentions were noble but alot of actors and actresses are just complete and utter marks for themselves look at the shit Lena headley pulls in GOT it really goes under the rader coz she played the character well how much she did and blocked and she wasnt the only one apparantly
Thanks for having this legend on your show.
Lol, THE DRINKER IS@LEGEND IN THE MAKING (*i agree)
Coming to this late, but this is a crossover I did not expect, yet am extremely excited for. Cheers, Russell.
The writers are from
the “everyone gets a trophy” generation. They are so special.
Love this guy, his perspective is always spot on
*is always exactly the same
Yes! You even know before you see the review, what the review will be! Woman lead? HATED IT. Black lead? HATED IT. Director whose personal political opinions aren't pro-MAGA? HATED IT!
It's just nice to have someone keep me protected from any media that isn't right-wing!
@sthubbins4038 Sure must be nice to think that woman and black = bad, and then demand more women and blacks in power.
What perspective? He says the same talking points again and again. Actually somehow gets butt mad about Star Wars in unrelated movie videos.
@@sa8019 Unfortunately the talking points on nearly all recent movies are the same, and thats the problem. He just has a knack for pointing out the formulaic nature of Hollywood's downtrend. It's really hard not to see once you're aware what to look for
Wow, what a treat! Thank you Russell for this interview!!
What a banger of a podcast/conversation with two great YT channels and people. So glad I'm subbed to both. Usually I'm doing laundry, cleaning, or something else when listening to any podcast but I was glued to this!! Edit: I would love and I think we all would love to see another podcast with these two again... I would argue that Rogan levels of time are needed. Like three and a half hours of talking lol!
Critical Drinker is the hero we didn't know we deserved ! 🙌
BUT WE ALL MOST-CERTAINLY=MOST-DEFINITELY NEED!!!…
He’ll either die@hero???… or podcast long enough to become THE VILLAIN!!!…
Critical drinker is the man. Truly sad what's happening
Drinker is the best thing on youtube right now. If you haven't watched his reviews, they're great.
And they're all MAGA-safe!
@@sthubbins4038 You could say they are MAGA-nificent.
And his livestreams with Hollywood veterans
@@sthubbins4038 are you that afraid to question your political views that you need designated safe spaces? Trump had 4 years to "MAGA" and "provide way better healthcare for way cheaper" and all he did is talk shit on twitter and give a trillion dollar tax cut to millionaires and billionaires in 2018. Not to mention the mountain of indictments and the thousands of lies he told... Oh and trying to overthrow Democracy.
When it comes to media, what has been lost is impartiality. That is what made news anchors famous.
We felt we could trust they were trying to tell us the truth.
That no longer exists in corporate media, only with the new independents.
Amazing to see the Critical Drinker and Russel Brand! Keep up the great job Drinker!
I'm 20 now. The first of the Disney "Star Wars" movies is what changed me from the kid that longed to go to the cinema to a cynical critic of all movies (even the good ones, I'm always cautious).
I remember seeing that poor excuse for wasting time in a cinema and was just confused. Up to that point basically everything Star Wars ranged from mediocre to amazing and then something awful comes out...
It's around that time that I also stopped listening to popular music. It just made me feel empty where King Crimson, Gandalf, Prince, Coltrane etc. lifted me up and made me excited to listen.
I'm sometimes depressed because I was born in this age. I don't have a Van Halen, Dio, Steve Vai, Hendrix or Reinhardt to look up to or remember when I'm old (I play guitar).
I absolutely hate the thought that I'll have to be nostalgic about things that happened before I was even born because my age offered next to nothing.
I feel like I'd be intruding in older people's memories. But I just don't have anything to turn to if a kid in 2060 asks me what music defined my generation or what legendary films came out...
You actually aren't alone. There are a lot of people your age and younger that have this feeling. As for us "old generation," we are happy to share our memories in the hopes the younger people will lean how to do their own thing. Don't be afraid to create your own and not follow the crowd.
Keep playing and enjoy the gifts of those geniuses. Life is change! Creative waves come and go. Perhaps something great is around the corner…
Well said young man
This is the time for people in your age group, between 18-27 right now, to become the Dios, the Hendrix, the Reinhardts.
There's this MASSIVE strike going on in Hollywood. The longer it goes on the stronger the indie studios are getting. This is the time for young writers to start approaching the smaller studios with big ideas. Fresh ideas.
All of this decay is actually the perfect storm for revolution. The time is now, young people. Do it.
I have kids close to your age. They listen to my music, read my books and watch my shows far more than they watch things from today. Trust me, we're just happy that people have the past to fall back on and you are welcome to join us in it.
I'm American. We are losing everything that makes us human. If we crush what it means to be human, we crush creativity. You are right - it is across everything in society. Do you remember the song "the day the music died"? We are there man, crushing our souls. Why Russell's language around spirituality resonates with his viewers - we must stop the crush or everything we are human will die. I am a book lover, and I live by no book more modern than 1984 is any good. Everything is a rehash. So sad! God bless you both!!
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED! Two of the best people i follow on this platform!
what you need is the key to write in lower case like an adult
@@slowery43 and what you need is to understand that people get excited, also, given half of my comment IS in lower case, your comment doesnt make much sense dude
Russell, Thank you for taking on this crucial cultural subject with this film critic, Will Jordan! Trouble is, there are so many 'moving parts' to the underlying issues of why "Hollywood" is failing to make films that "matter," especially for children - that it's hard to know even where to start. (Before I say more, I recommend to you and your daughters an early film that Hayley Mills made as a child in England - before Walt Disney came courting her. It's called WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND and its fullstop Brilliant!) Anyway, a key reason that 'Hollywood' is utterly failing the world is that it's almost entirely run nowadays by "Suits," executives - and accountants - graduates of Wharton - or Harvard School Of Business. They have NO background in the cinematic or performing arts - or arts appreciation, in general. The original Hollywood Moguls were "Showmen." As kids, they watched films in the Nickolodeon to learn about American culture. Then, they bought them and started making their own films out here. They would hire writers with literary or stage background - and they often requested that they adapt the "Classics" into the film medium. The actors were alumni of live theaters. The Moguls took pride in what they produced and they aspired to have "Class" and be looked up to by society (on a good day). Today's Studio CEOS already think they possess "class" and they produce films carelessly like so much industrial sewage - without a care in the world what anyone thinks! (Remember STEELY DAN's song: "Showbiz Kids makin` movies of themselves, you know they don't give a f*#k about anybody else."
We need more comedies like "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" that's a complete package of solid acting, drama, comedy, and heartfelt emotion. To this day, it's still one of my feel good movies that I go back to and watch.
It was based on a true story from Jason Segel's life.
Yes! “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” was better than it even needed to be. Funny in all the right places, serious when it needed to be . There’s even a character arc! Remember those?
Wedding Crashers is pretty great also. Great humor...motorboating/meatloaf, etc., but also a really nice love story.
Oh, c'mon, you're just sucking up to Russell now. 🙂
Such a good movie!
I'm shocked that this interview only has 121k views 16 hours after it was released. Great video! thanks RB and drinker!
Dude, Trinity from The Matrix was soooooo badass! The woman from Kill Bill?! Holy hell, they were more terrifying than many of the male roles in the films!
Drinker, Mauler, the Critical Doggo and the entire FNT crew are not only great entertainment but quality reviewers. I would love to see Brand on FNT someday.
Love the Drinker. I don’t always agree 100% of the time, but I’ve still been a regular follower of his channel for over a year. It’s great to hear a sober(no pun intended)critique of movies and television.
18:10 "the currency of our current age is authenticity"
I fukn love this man!❤ Thank you Brand from Florida!🌺☀️
Glad you uploaded the full version. This was a very insightful interview between two awesome people, and I hope more people see it! Long live the Drinker!
I've got a movie collection that dates back to the 30s through to today, though it doesn't really get very comprehensive until the Noir period got into full swing. What I'd like to know is when was this mythical period when we didn't have movies featuring strong women? Only these people in the industry talk as if they were responsible for inventing the genre, when in truth, it's always existed and the only thing that they deserve credit for is making it unwatchable.
I agree, it's super annoying to hear these ignorant hollywood types claim that there were no good, strong women characters until they came along. Check out "His Girl Friday" made in the 40's where Rosalind Russell was every bit Cary Grants equal --and there were tons of films like that
@@thegreatbloviator6817 Yes, that's a classic and a favourite of mine.
I'd have loved to watch them go up to Maureen O'Hara that she wasn't a strong woman in life or her movies.
Good point. The fast talking dame genre came about in the '30s.
Sound of freedom is awesome. Had me bawling.❤❤❤👍👍👍🇬🇧
Holly-weird failed all of us when mere actors began thinking we cared about their political affiliations instead of their role-playing capabilities.
Lovely dance about H'wood's disinterest in backing "Voices of Freedom", but it comes down to one WORD: COMPLICIT
The Drinker has never let me down. Good guest!
We had plenty of strong women 'characters " but no so much headliners. They were feminine but not weak. Now we have vulgar females trying to be men. We also turned on Hollywood because they basically turned on their fans. I am excited for the latest enthusiasm for movies like THE SOUND OF FREEDOM! I think that's where our real movie stars will be coming from. Hollywood is out👎... well, I should've waited before commenting. You guys checked all the boxes. Great show!!!
I know enough women in real life who have vulgar sides, without 'trying to be men'. I see what you may be saying generally possibly, but..just tossing that out there myself. You're right about the rest, but I'd love to see people on this channel recognizing a few more 'exceptions' to things instead of all one way or all the other, at times.. It gets a bit stale. Just a thought.
@@whoamellie5610 I was just using an expression. I was trying to emphasize that women have to play a masculine role to be a hero, beating up the enemy etc. I would rather see the female hero as feminine and intelligent and not a female version of the same male character we've seen over and over.
@@vlrissolo You're actually just further continuing toward the same point I was distinguishing exceptions against, but mmkay.. 😏 No point in debating ideas of gender roles, I think most people already have their minds made up about what men and women 'should' be, so whatever ✌I doubt any Hollywood producers or influencers read commemts like these; and above all I don't wish to continue the endless unrest in the world anyway. Sayonara. ✌
I know I said 'no point in..' etc., but I'm tired of stereotypes. All I'm saying is that if there's been such a thing as female wrestlers, etc., for decades -- it doesn't ~always~ have to be a 'male thing' necessarily to execute violent-type scenes. That's actually part of the Hollywood & other media types' age-old trope. So it's inevitably been drilled into our heads for decades -- that 'picture/images' of what men or women 'should be'.
I'm not sure I've seen as many ~movies~ where female ass-kicking was enjoyable, but I know I liked the Buffy The Vampire Slayer series, and the 2000 Charlie's Angels movie 😄 All of those women made it enjoyable & root-for-able, ha. Seriously. And it didn't seem like they were doing a 'male' thing at all.
But as far as what someone would "rather see" as you directly said -- that's subjective to each individual's preferences of course, so..that actually takes us back to 'no point in debating..' this that & the other thing.
@@whoamellie5610 Yeah, whatever. You're right. Isn't that what you want to hear? After all, you said at the beginning of your novel, I was "right " about some things, or something to that nature. I see it's about who's "right" to you, not about our opinions. I'm not getting into any B.S. in the comments here. I did not read your novel.. Just take satisfaction in the notion that you are RIGHT!... Geez...next time rather than insulting other viewers, you may want to reword your response to "I disagree" or "I agree "
pleasure seeing two such passionate speakers come together to address issues of modern cinematography
The Critical Drinker and Gary from Nerdrotic need so much more respect. They may just be, "cultural news", but they are so important to our ongoing culture war.
It’s quite obvious there’s an agenda catering to MODERN-AUDIENCES!!!
Gary become an obvious grifter and Drinker become so dishonest can't take him seriously anymore, dude changes his video titles when he's proven wrong (cough HOTD)
@damonlongstreet8630 cry, mald, and seeth. Your clearly not a fan of either and you probably love disney.
Gary from Nerdrotic? Are you serious? who else is on your list TheQuataring?
great to see Critical Drinker get recognition, well deserved. Watched the full thing, thanks Russell, really interesting
The critical drinker has great content and an excellent perspective on current media.
Actors aren’t challenged by long drawn out scenes and reams of dialogue….they seem to clip along quickly with the loss of continuity and difficulty in digesting exactly what is being portrayed. Love you both and keep doing what you do so well.
The writer comment, was my favorite. We have an entire generation who were overprotected, and never got to live. Their only identity is borrowed pieces of causes they don't even understand.
The thought that some hack at a publishing office is going to "censor" P.G. Wodehouse to make his language acceptable to modern readers absolutely boils my blood.
Is Shakespeare next? It's a short step. Wodehouse is a giant of comedic prose.
When did censorship become a good thing? If they actually alter Roald Dahl’s books, I really hope my library refuses to touch them.
Also, rewriting history to feel less offensive is genuinely insane. We NEED to know the mistakes and crimes of the past so we can prevent them from happening again.
Penguin’s latest editions of Roald Dahl’s work has been heavily edited by a committee.
Thank you. Spot on. You both do such a great job of perfectly articulating our thoughts.
My super power is that I'm too good at everything and everyone is jealous. -modern female character
We’re at a cultural dead end. We’re so petrified of offending the minorities, whether that be trans, ethnic, sexual (female) or whatever that we’ve stagnated in our own effluent. Name one new art movement, musical, cinematic, fashion or anything movement that has happened in the west this century. Same could be said for science. All at a dead end.
Last new consumer product was the personal computer in the 1970s. Mobile phone is just a computer....
The Last Crusade did it right where respecting the older generation is concerned. The tug of war between Indy and his father is absolutely brilliant, you can see the flaws of both characters and watch the impact these flaws have on each other yet his father is still given time to shine (the umbrella scene for example). Indy didn't have to have a titanic dump on his father to get ahead in the eyes of the audience. Contrast that with the car crash portrayals of Mary Sue Skywalker and Not-My-Luke.
Watched this already, will happily watch again. Two points:
1) I blame social media for why we don’t have many movie stars left. SoMe have given us a window into these celebs’ personal lives and all it’s done is revealed that most of them are uneducated ignorants with no idea about what it means to be a “normal” person.
2) Russel asks such a good question (many, ofc): What should my little girls watch? Drinker’s suggestions make it very clear what his niche is in the movie business, haha. I wouldn’t let my daughters watch Alien until they’re teens, because I actually want them to like it and not be scared shitless, haha. But what should lil girls watch? I grew up with the Disney princesses of the 1990s and despite all the issues about insta-love and passive women waiting to be rescued, I think I turned out pretty well!
There’s no issue with the old school princess cartoons. The live action princess movies are another story as they are heavily butchered versions of their original stories. Later on though when they are older you can introduce them to the badass female lead films like Alien, Kill Bill, Million Dollar Baby. There’s tons of great female lead films with a strong female lead that give you awesome heroic journeys rather than this is a badass incredibly strong woman with 0 flaws.
About #2, someone in the comments above suggested the original, animated Mulan.
I think the live action Cinderella is solid as a film and role model. But otherwise, tough to beat Belle and Mulan from animated films.
The problem is not with the movies it's with the audience. When I was a kid, I didn't need a hero to be the same sex or color or anything else as me. I never wanted to see myself. I wanted to see someone I could aspire to be. I want to see someone better than me. The weaknesses and struggles that the characters undergo are what we actually identify with, not what they look like. Most of my favorite characters share no descriptors with me at all.
100% agree, when I was a kid never even thought about race or gender and it has carried over to my adult hood. Good characters and good story's no agenda's thank you.
Actually, the problem is not the audience in majority, it's the small, yet vocal ( more likely "Twitter loud", if you get me) minority of audience that asks for this kind of special treatment, and Hollywood and media making the irrational decision to cater to them, and not to the majority of normal audience.
Exactly
One of my favourite movie characters as a kid was Sgt Apone from aliens
I was a 10 yr old Aussie white kid and he was a black over 40 ex marine
Loved that dude !
@@bigtreecombatacademy2927 fellow white Aussie here, for me it was blade dude kicks ass
Russell your girls don’t need strong female super hero actors, we had Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep, Sally Fields, Sigourney Weaver, Halle Berry playing diverse roles with dignity and strength showing vulnerability and character. My favourite character of all time is Scarlett O’Hara who was vain and beautiful but strong in determination to achieve her goals in very harsh conditions, but, never gives up even after Rhett leaves her. She goes back home to build her life again.
The Drinker is a legend, and so are you for having him on Russell. ❤
Good stuff! I'm a fan and subscriber of the Drinker. Honesty is always valuable, especially in times of big lies.
Babylon 5 was full of strong female characters. Susan Ivanova, Lyta Alexander (nobody messed with her), Delenn, Na'Toth, Captain Lochley, the list goes on. I've been watching that old show again and enjoying it as much as when it was first run almost 30 years ago. If you've never seen it, it was a great show based on a great story and it had fantastic characters. Season one is a bit slow, but once season two starts the pace picks up. Good stuff. Special mention to Peter Jurasik and the late Andreas Katsulas as Ambassadors Londo Mollari and G'Kar. The relationship between those two characters really made the show. The writing was pretty amazing too. I think B5 was the first show of its kind, with all five seasons being written before the first episode was shot. Talk about continuity. A trait this show shared with many of today's more popular shows is the fact that the good guys aren't always good, and the bad guys aren't always bad. Londo Mollari and Mr. Bestor are two great examples of that. Mollari is a likeable but flawed creature, driven by ambition, he starts a war that kills billions. Bestor, on the other hand, takes aggressive actions which in his mind are acts of self-preservation. Bestor is the villain you love to hate in this show, but once you understand his motivations, you hate him just a little bit less. You may even feel a bit sympathetic toward him. I just love the writing in Babylon 5. The show is still one of my favorites and always will be.
Agreed!
Bought Babylon 5 seasons 1 through to 5 ,plus the movies on Amazon and have them downloaded so I can watch them as much as I want ,loved that program and the hidden message in each episode and what I learnt from Babylon 5 was everyone is unique and different from each other and should be able to get on with their own life on their own terms .
30 yrs wow, now i feel old
Love you bringing up B5. My niece just started watching it a few months ago. And I'm overdue for a rewatch.
What did you think of Farscape? Lots of strong, complex characters there too.
Im 60 I don't remember this. Where do you watch it.
The character arc of the Drinker turning out to be handsome despite hiding his face for years is quite profound.
Russell, when your girls get older you can show them Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv series. This was one of my favorite shows growing up.
There are new ideas. New writing. New actors. New voices are ignored and locked out by gatekeepers in the "creative" industries.
I remember one Christmas, my dad bought my a TV with the DVD player and VCR player slots built in. The dvd that came with it was the box set of Indiana Jones.
I was so grateful and became obsessed with Indiana Jones.
Such a shame to see such an amazing franchise be butchered twice (2008 and 2023). Just stop.
Awesome conversation! I'm a big movie fan and the older I get ( and look at the current options) the more I feel drawn to movies of the 60's to early 2000's.
@6:40 I would argue that Hollywood knows exactly what it’s doing. The message of the day from America is “I’m Sorry.” And to a more specific degree, “I’m sorry we’re white and Male”. It’s a depressing message to put out there, and one that, I would argue, is the most lazy.
“America had an identity crisis “- this is profound! It is at the root of everything.
To worried about pronouns
@@danieln6700 That is just one symptom of an underlying disease that has been growing and spreading sense the begging of our country.
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There’s 42 years between my son and I. The vast majority of the music he listens to is what I listened to when I was his age. I’ve been thinking that this was just a result of superior parenting.. now I found I out that it’s nothing more than a total collapse in creativity. Thanks for completely destroying my delusion Drinker you dick!😂
Some of my favorite moments:
"Dad, I found this really cool song! Listen to it!"
"Yeah, I used to listen to this in High School"
"...I thought it was new ... It's not fair, why did your generation have all the cool stuff?"
Same here. I assumed my kids listened to my music because I’m so awesome. It’s because the music - from Beatles to Soundgarden to Tool - is awesome.
@@peterbigblock yup… when I hear a good song that I haven’t heard in years I’ll TH-cam it to him. I thought I was father of the year. As it turns out today’s music just blows. Who knew!😂
Like napalm records, anytime I see that record company I know it's gonna be the exact same sound as every other metal band they have. The only bands that don't fall into the napalm cesspool are bands that were already 20-30 years old still putting out albums.
Kate Beckinsale in Underworld,
Mila Jovovich in Resident Evil,
Demi Moore in G.I. Jane,
Natalie Portman in V for Vendetta,
Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider,
Uma Thurman & Lucy Liu in Kill Bill,
Emily Browning and cast in Sucker Punch,
Jennifer Lawrence in The Hunger Games,
etc...
Ellie in Jurassic park….
Hollywood lost me more than 5 years ago. K-Dramas are it for me now. Those guys (screenwriters, directors, producers and actors) are brilliant!
Korea is doing all forms of entertainment better. Our American musicians seem so lazy compared to theirs. At least they can dance.
They picked up where Hollywood in the US left
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Hollywood left us off in order to fulfill the Globalist Agenda.
We cannot have the USA Superiority or Pride interfering in their plans for us.
Agreed, even Alice in Borderland was quality.
Agreed, my wife binges on them.
Pray the woke don't sail over there.
fabulous conversation.....from two of my favorites....keep it up gents, and ty
I’ve recently started music reactions on TH-cam….. mostly late teens to thirty. Seeing the sadness eventually in their eyes. Realising that their generation can’t do anything without auto tune, airbrushing etc. When they are hugely surprised and are disbelieving that those vocals are live.
Breaks my heart seeing and hearing their wish to have been alive “in the old days “
Still a lot of people around who don’t need auto tune to do everything.
It’s just not what the industry tends to push to the top.
He forgot to mention the whole wave of villain sympathy/ anti-hero movies. With as above so below enriched films.
Very nice to see Critical Drinker with Russell.
Happy that Russell Brand finally got a chance to interview the Critical Drinker. You deserve it, mate...
Such a good conversation, do it again!
The moment Drinker removes shades Russell starts addressing him by his name. That's so beautiful