🏎️ How Porsche BLEW its shot at F1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- After months of speculation and attempted deals, Porsche's attempts at joining the F1 grid are over. But after a deal to buy 50% of Red Bull collapsed and potential arrangements with McLaren and Williams went nowhere, how did Porsche mess up its chance of entering F1 so badly?
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It’s crazy, just a few years ago teams would have been desperate to take a deal like this
The power of cost cap
I think even then, Williams, McLaren, and Red Bull wouldn't be willing to give up majority control _and_ rename their teams. The hubris of thinking storied brands like that would be fine with just being erased is insane.
No, no, they wouldn’t because Porsche has always been a joke in paddock.
Have you any idea how many times Porsche has threatened to join F1?! This many! ✋🤚🦶
@@ToeCutter0😅
Williams would've sold their soul in fact they already did
They actually thought Redbull would give away 50%😂😂
They thought most mobile team on the grid would lose its main identity which is being a mobile unlike other corporations based teams😅
I don’t think Christian Horner would ever do that😂
@@davronbekibrokhimov175 most mobile?
@@Shootout_23 he is just a principal.. manager lol
Well they are with Audi one of the most successful in Motorsport history. They build a car that matches the W11 of Mercedes and have the best engineers on the planet. It’s only because Red Bull is doing so good right now, that’s why they said no. If they’d join F1 they would likely destroy the competition
They were offered the entirety of AT, but they didn't want to take the chance. Atleast Audi showed they have the marbles to take a midfield-team.
It’s the same company 😂
@@Bishieboi not really. They are two companies with two company cultures. Just both owned by Volkswagen
It's not that they were scared, but Porsche is already successful and if they were ever to enter F1™ they would want a change in the regulations so that they could adapt racing parts from their Formula racecars to their product lineup, something they've done over the years, even with the modified LMP1 EVO. They would also want to use the flat-six engine that they've been using since the early 1960s as opposed to the turbocharged 90° V6 DOHC.
@@stefrubingh524 And the VW Group are in turn owned by the original Porsche lol it's a weird structure
@@metalswifty23 actually that isn't true. Sure, Ferdinand Piech was a grandson of Ferdinand Porsche sr, but their stake in VAG is not even close to a controlling stake. The highest stake in VAG is actually the state/province in which their main seat (wolfsburg) is located with around 18% shares.
I'm just disappointed that they don't open a new team. I really want at least 1 additional team on the grid
There's enough teams
Yeah there are enough teams. Besides Andretti will probably get a way in through liberty media. That'll be 11 already.
Need 24 cars in the grid
I am not. A billion dollars for an 11th team is extortionate.
Porsche doesn’t want to invest to make a completely new infrastructure to make a new team thus only wanting to partner with an established team
Porsche wants "instant" way 🤣🤣 lmao
So did Lambo, which is why they only entered 6 races and started none of them.
Seeing how well porsche penske is doing in hyper class, I am glad nobody took on porsches deal
They didn't want an instant way. Other teams just don't like competion. They tried the other way, bringing their own team but existing teams said not it's too crowded already, and just like Cadillac/G56 they were told to kick rocks.
@@kevinmarshall2227 someone else mentioned that they were offered alpha tauri but Porsche didn't want that
so now ford has the chance to get it's name on the curretly best team and get the fame in the us.
Porsche vs Audi vs merc in F1 would have been magnificent
Volkswagen owns Porsche and Audi
But porche is audi... essentially as both are under the VW banner along with some others
@@CED99 Your logic is flawed. If God hypothetically existed and we were both owned by God our creator, would that make us the same. Or two different person.
Also are Bentley and Audi the same, or Bentley and Porsche? They are also owned by Volkswagen :v
Take your meds bro@@arkeusalexander9054
@@arkeusalexander9054It's more the fact that plenty of Audis and Porches share the same power train and even the same platform. Like how Audi and Porsche "co-developed" an engine that goes into the RS5, the Panamera, and even the Bentley Flying Spur. Actually, the Volkswagen Touareg, the Audi Q7 and Q8, Porche Cayenne, Bentley Bentayga, and the Lamborghini Urus are all exactly the same car underneath. The Audi R8 and the Lamborghini Huracan are the same car and are rolled off from the same factory line. It just seems like all brands under the VAG group shares many parts or even a whole platform with each other.
Funny how the expression of interest was opened up just to allow Porsche onto the grid, but Porsche won’t take that option. Perhaps they’re not that serious about joining F1
It's quite funny too, considering that the 2026 regulation is also made at the request of Porsche too 🤣
@@Ariespradana13 that’s really how these regulations tend to work, unfortunately. A manufacturer requests them that’s either already on the grid or wants to join, and then they obviously understand the concept the best and just proceed to blitz everyone else with little to no effort at all. Mercedes did it with the V6 hybrid regulations. Red Bull did it with the 2022 regulations. And now Porsche tried to do it with the 2026 engine regulations, which I’m damn sure Audi will ace as well. What’s the point in F1 anymore if you can just bribe your way to victory?
An "expression of interest?" means nothing. That's just salad dressing.
They never have been. Its been the same way for the longest time
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks if the manufacturer applying is good enough, then it means something. It would have meant something for Porsche, and even Toto Wolff said he would have accepted Audi onto the grid as an 11th team had they chosen to go down that route. It does mean something, but only if you’re a manufacturer. If you’re sorry-ass Andretti, you’re shit out of luck unless you have Cadillac making engines
Also giving up Williams or McLaren names would actually lose a good chunk of money because of the legacy bonus that those teams get
They got too greedy
I've never seen a team like Porche have such a backward way of thinking trying to get into F1.
They just don't need F1
@@MeinNameistFlo F1 doesn't need them clearly
@@MeinNameistFlo ahahahahaha they don't need F1??? well they're the one trying to get in lmfao plz tell me if i was wrong lol
@@yuchien0402they are really not they could create their own team but won't since there would be no benefit for them to rebuild a enginge that has to be limited to the f1 regulations
F1 is basically a more expensive way to show your brand with engines that last longer than someones record in bed, it ain't worth it lol they have more benefit staying in endurance than F1 lmao
To be fair, Porsche doesn't need F1 to be a known brand
indeed, Porsche doesn't need F1 as it is already known as the clown of Motorsport.
@@wcole6689 they have the best manufacture win record im le mans history... How are they clowns? Honestly just want to know what you mean
@@dbldunk yo！speaking of the Le mans，everybody knows Porsche colluded with Fia to change the BOP system 9
days before 100th Lemans last year. Toyota got its Gr010 37kg weight penalty and Ferrari had to carry extra an 24kg whereas Porsche happily received 3kg weight increse🤭 and it just looked like a easy win for Porsche to celebrate its 75th anniversary. but Ferrari and Toyota still kicked 963LMDh ass. so with all these ‘effort’ and scheme to only gain a 4th （Caddy took the 3rd😂）isnt that entertaining？
@@wcole6689 wow, lots of emotion there. Would you like to show me on the doll where Porsche touched you?
@@wcole6689 how would you like to explain their other 18 Le mans wins?
thats a shame, we need as many manufactures in all motorsport as possible.
They might've had a shot if they offered Red Bull this deal in 2020 or 2021, but with their current success this was never going to happen.
It was a moonshot for Porsche to truly even desire to grind F1.
If they did Alpha Tauri was their best bet despite the team tanking.
You mean Visa Cash App RB?
Porsche obviously doesn't want to join f1 that bad, they won't get a lot out of being on the grid so it makes sense they make not so great offers
Agreed it was a Yolo attempt, if we are in well yay, if not whatever got other shit to do anyways
@@jxswu3224 Porsche fanboys playing down F1 again. I'm just hoping one day F1 will be good enough for Porsche to bother .
The livery at the start of the vid reminds me of the 2018 sauber
Porsche and Audi just purchase an existing team. Let Andretti in. He will build a car.
Andretti drives in many series and is nowhere good. No team for F1
@@walterhofer937 Their good enough to get their shot. If they fail then thats how it goes.
@@Denozo88 These aren't winners. Second tier teams are not allowed in F1.
@W. Hofer And you know they will be and will stay that way how? Dude get off your high horse.
@W. Hofer dude your projecting and assuming. Your making an ass of yourself. Keep in mind mercedes and red bull weren't always teir 1 teams and for a while struggled in the sport.
it was more of a "let's see if it works"kinda attempt
I mean at least Porsche knows their worth
Porsche saw Mercedes do it this way and went "we can too" NAH
Specifically now a days.
But Mercedes were an existing engine supplier
I would personally want to see Lamborghini and BMW join F1, so Lamborghini can compete against Ferrari for customers in F1 and so can also BMW compete against Mercedes for customers in F1.
Bmw won't join until the engines change design
Its not easy building a team from scratch and the gamble didnt always pay off.
Toyota for example had the biggest funding of all teams,from 2002 onwards, but were mostly fighting for the midfield. The team lacked experience and talented engineer's.
Thats why big manufacturers tend to buy already existing teams.
Mercedes f1 for example bought brawn gp which itself traces its roots back to tyrell in the 70s.
Porsche dominated le mans no need for f1 😂
I don't think Porsche needs F1. They are more into longer time races.
Yeah F1 isn't prestigious enough 😂
Honestly, it would be amazing to see the F1 squad race at Porsche's test track!
which is such a shame when we have so many teams that buy engines off of each other, having porsche build their own engine and have their own team in the sport would really mix the grid up!
Oooh the greedy bastards, although I do love Porsche and I would love to see them in the sport, they are still greedy. And plus 50% of Red Bull will cost more than Elon Musk
"the grid is stronger than its ever been" ☠️
Greed, pride, ... where did they go wrong?
This topic is fully exhausted and dead already. The Race even went over it again recently, so this video is is completely redundant.
gotta make that sweet sweet money
Nah, I hadn't heard of this.
I prefered this short over the video. Sweet and to the point in less than 60'
That's not true at all. I won't watch a stretched 10min video where they repeat themselves like 3 times, but I'm fine watching a 1min short where they sum up most things.
@@Neo_mode I'll have to accept to making an error. I was sure that they had posted this in every format already - podcast, standard video, short.
Apparently there wasn't a 'short' about this, I had just seen it in other formats plenty already. Fair enough.
But next time.... :D
I understand the advertising angle but I still don't see why any manufacturers would want to wade into the muddy waters of F1 right now.
It seems like an incredibly difficult time for any manufacturer to get involved.
This is the real answer. The Porsche fanboys coping about F1 not being good enough is hilarious. It's just too damn expensive when the Porsche brand is also prestigious in its own right already. I'm sure they will when the time is right
I don’t agree with this analysis. Manufacturers join F1 to raise their profiles. Porsche doesn’t need F1. It has a waiting list for its models like no other car manufacturer ever has had in history. Have you ever seen a Porsche advert on TV? No, because it doesn’t need to advertise.
When it asked for 50% of Red Bull, it knew what it was doing - either it was going to acquire a motorsports technical base like no other, which would have been worth it, or it was going to carry on with the nice problem it has…trying to meet the outrageous demand for its cars!
wtf are you talking about have ever seen a Lamborghini a Ferrari or a Mclaren advert on TV? Supercar manufacturer do not advertise to common mortals, they do not need to? Porsche isn't special in that regard, they are not the only to avoid advertisment on the TV.
@@mauriziocardile499 That’s exactly what I said. Do you have processing issues?
He may but you do too. Mercedes and Ferrari must stay in F1 to get their name out there, they're still fledgling car brands.
@@cefb8923 Mercedes a fledgling car brand?
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Just for the "they really thought they would sell" guys: RB had already agreed. Everything was on paper and signed already. But Mateschitz was rethinking in the last moment. He was already in his dyingbed and he didn't want that the last thing he signs is about sell a part of his heritage. Thats the story. If not so, the deal would have been through.
Porsche would’ve joined F1 if they did this earlier.
A drink company is better than a super car company in car things💀
Wow. That didn't last long.
0:46 whats the car name? It loks pretty cool ngl
Given what’s been revealed about Red Bull’s management and inner politics, Porsche dodged a bullet.
By buying Alpha. VW-Porsche_Audi-Lambo are one company.
exactly Audi is Porsche
I wonder why Porsche didn't just invest in the Formula 2-4 teams. I mean since a lot of drivers start ranking up from the lower series, if Porsche bought up the lower teams and invested like Redbull (I think Redbull has a Formula 3 sponsorship or team), they might be able to force their way into F1 eventually, with enough influence in the lower racing leagues.
I was wondering why The Race was re-heating old subjects like "will Hamilton leave Mercedes?" and so on. Now I understand that they are doing simply a season recap.
Porsche actually competed in f1 from 1957 to 1964
Williams team is a fool for rejecting Porsche's offer. Sure the name would be gone but the entire team would be packed with proper resources and actually have a shot at top 3 in the long run.
Some say that it was a cheeky tactic by Porsche to increase its IPO
Are we gonna talk about Ferdinand Porsche killing it in 1930s grand prix ? With the first rear engined F1.
Yes, the same one from about a hundred years ago before people had TVs in their living rooms.
They should supply power units to Williams, and slowly buy the team over time
I can’t believe RB is going to use Ford powertrains
Porsche over estimated its brand perception in this new age of F1. Netflix have turned these teams and their bosses into celebrities that can outshine even Porsche.
bro put by instead of buy lol
Fun fact: Porsche, as a works brand, did win the championship with Alain Prost at McLaren. The engines were rebadged as TAG Heuers.
That different then owning it and have control over a team. As a brand you can't do much other then putting Their name on the F1 cars
Why the fuck wouldn't Audi & Porsche make a team together? Would be unstoppable.
The only thing left out of this short is that Porsche wanted to buy an existing team because there is no other way to enter F1 due to the greed of other teams. Ask Andretti how friendly to less money the current F1 teams are.
You should have made your own team.
Porsche ought to purchase and/or partner with Williams once their deal with Mercedes is over.
Bringing back the old Martini livery.
Porsche doesn't need F1, they're doing good in endurance.
Williams can show up with 1.5 cars per week but Andretti can't get a consideration
Heck yeah. No failure team now
Idk how much engineering help from Porsche will translate through audi but I’m just happy a VW group brand is in F1
You think any of Porsche, Audi, VW having a F1 team would consist of different crew members or engineers?
Sawing this We can say that Aston really choose the good moment to enter f1, 1 years before the regulation changes, with a partnership with redbull and starting on the bases of the racing point car who was excellent then
Well, once Andretti fully resolves it's process, it should hopefully clear the way for Porsche in 2028 if they wanted to come in as a works team.
Porsche doesnt need F1 they do just fine in all the other series they run in, they develop all the tech they need for their road cars in WEC/IMSA/GT3 and so on. If they cant run the Flat 6 engine they are not interested TBH.
Seems like Porsche had their heads up their asses thinking the brand was stronger and F1 teams would welcome any deal with them.
I mean maybe a lower tier team could take the deal but a team like RB don't really need anyone from the outside. RB has success, money, strong brand, great car and more. I guess the only thing a team like RB is missing is being tied to an actual road car.
Because they own Audi and pushing that brand there.
This might sound dumb, but if they want somewhere to start they could possibly buy Haas, since they aren't doing well in F1.
There’s TWO Redbull teams. They couldn’t make that partnership with the second one?
"Coming back"
They were never in it.
This lands in my feed today.. did I miss something?
Porsche is still salty about BMW Sauber ruining their top 10 lock out in Group C and the E46 M3 GTR.
Why do I get the feeling Porsche getting a share in Red Bull is closer than ever? 😅
Porsche-Williams honestly would be a good deal because this season has shown that Williams still has the will to get back up there. They just lack the budget.
Porche would have called their car the 911 like most of their inventive namong for the past decades
Considering alpine’s situation, I believe we could get a potential porsche team if they buy alpine
i didn’t know audi actually purchased sauber! i knew Alfa contract was up this year and Audi was looking to join but it’s cool to hear they’re actually coming!
Is it possible tho, to give second Red Bull to Porsche, I don’t wanna see two Red Bull team in F1
Porsch was actually a part of f1 once
They were serious about entrering in F1, if they wanted 50% they were not going to play for fun
Aren't Audi and Porsche under the same VW umbrella? Mights as well be Bugatti in either spot.
Tbh I don’t think Porsche needs to join f1 anyway because of how successful they are at lemans and gt3 class
They should try Williams
I think it would be financially risky to let VW have two teams enter the F1 with Audi and Porsche. The Porsche investment would be huge and would only guarantee 50% and maybe npt enough say whereas Audi will take over 100% of Sauber.
I’m sure if they offered the same thing to Williams they would’ve snapped it up in a heartbeat. Porsche Williams 😍
Porsche could've joined as a Team, but they can build faster cars than F1 cars (919hybrid Evo Tribute) and it doesnt benefit them on their road cars either, bc WEC gives them way more oppertunities
I expected Porsche to be a *NEW TEAM!!!* 🥺😢
Should do WRC instead
Also lets not forget that porsche and audi are the same conpany.... and the vw group has financial issues at the moment .
Just applied for the 11 th team already
And now the teams and the FIA might end Andretti's attempt to join F1 just because they don't want to split the revenue sharing again to add another team. And this is despite the fact that GM is going to make engines under the new regs in the next few years, and the rumor mill began linking Andretti and GM. If Andretti can't get in, GM will likely just end up being the engine supplier for one of the other teams. One would think a new team, with a new engine supplier, would actually increase the amount of money that ends up getting split, but it seems like the existing teams would rather keep things as they are, and possibly one of the lower tier teams might try to get a hold of the upcoming GM engines for themselves.
Wait… Red Bull with Ford???!! I thought, as usual with the Japanese, that Honda had reversed their decision to leave F1? I remember the Ford from the 1990s early 2000s and it was not a pretty sight!
😳hearing that RB is going to be using a Ford trans
Thank goodness, Porsche does not need F1.
Deberían agregar un equipo más al Padok.
Simple, y todos felices.
Either that or they partner with Audi and we see the 2 most legendary Le Mans teams join forces to win f1.
Now that would be fun.
Even though Porsche is exaggerating the situation here, even the name of Porsche can bring billions of dollars to a team and Porsche knows its value. Of course, they will play straight to the top instead of staying behind.
Bro with Porsche you can get tanks to defend your position in the track
What you forget here is that Porsche and Audi are the same brand
I wish Porsche would just take the brand-new team route like Cadillac, I bet you anything that car would be a beast.
When is Cadillac joining the grid.
They rejected Cadillac now Porsche? They really must not like competition
Everyone is watching how they treat Andretti so other teams are afraid to even apply.
Porsche is so dominant in racing they don't need F1. Imagine that lol