omg her screams were so full of pain and suffering, I can’t believe they have to endure this stuff, I feel ill hearing and seeing them force her into a split and then celebrating being underweight
Lucy Link I got so mad when the girl that was pushing her down said ''Hey I'm not even pushing you. Why are you crying?'' and then said a few seconds later ''go down lower!'' can't they see she can't and it hurts like what is wrong with them and I felt so bad I even started crying when they started celebrating they were underweight
@@spookyscarycorpse2969 that's normal (??) I take karate classes and i have to do the same so I can be more flexible and when one of us cries they push us harder to the floor ( until our knot of the belt is on the floor)
@@filipa3303 I kinda think that part wasn't as bad too. I am doing gymnastics and yes it hurts to stretch like that. But when you push through the pain, that's when you will notice progress in your flexibility. It looks awful but I have seen ballet or gymnastics coaches do worse stuff.
@@thatoneravenclaw417 but it's hard to get into any company, they need to work with what they have or they can go and find other job which is hard for most families in Korea
Manisha Bhaittrai With the agency it’s basically a whole team, who publishes the music and gives themes and what not. Even in holly wood to get famous you need to have a label to publish the music. Without an agency or team you might not be successful, at least in Korea. In the US idk
Dumb and stupid....is it worth it ?? Don't think so......on top of that most will go for plastic surgeries........they don't look natural selves.......hair colours and so on....... it's sad they 're so insecure with themselves .and that lead to all others.......tq
Shirley Cameron dont say dumb and stupid. It’s really disgraceful. Koreans have insecurities that they would change anything to make their insecurities patched up.
Shirley Cameron k firstly, it’s not dumb and stupid if being an idol is really what they want. There’s a lot of pressure, of course, and they are overworked, but when they debut, they’re happy. Secondly, the different hair colours are the concepts for the songs and albums. No one is being tortured with hair dye, it’s not a bad thing despite dying hair endlessly will damage their natural hair. Lastly, most of them go through hard times. It’s a lot of pressure being a trainee and hard work must be put into it. Although some are insecure, many are confident and they encourage others. Being insecure doesn’t lead others into being insecure.
Shirley Cameron you probably don’t think it’s worth the hard work because being an idol isn’t your dream. But many young people are happy when they sing, dance, and perform. The job that you want, the dream that you want, what you want to do in life, are you willing to work hard for it? If you are, then you’re just like those trainees. They think it’s worth it because they’re grasping at their dreams, and you will too, when you’re in the process of grabbing ahold of your dream
That's why idol's and trainee's deserve respect, we have to support them because their the ones who are putting all the work in, they're the ones who are sacrificing youth and freedom, we have to treat them with compassion, and maybe in the future when Kpop gains more exposure in the western, companies can change too.
cherry blossom are you kidding? They’re being forced into doing this.. the only people disrespecting them are those that make them do this and those that glorify celebrity culture.. the world doesn’t need a million Disney-style performers but hey if there’s money to make then you can be certain that someone is taking advantage of these young people
I know, I think it’s quite sad really. People shouldn’t need to suffer this much to be happy. I mean gosh yeah they’re beautiful and I really like how they look, but I would never do that cause I think u should love yourself. And if you wanna become a famous singer there are others ways, I mean, look at Adele she doesn’t have a perfect body or anything but me and a huge amount of people love her for her voice and creative ideas. Or even Billie Eilish. She’s my favorite artist for her voice and songs and the fact that she is not perfect and has her own problems and that she is super honest about it just makes me admire her more.
It’s also so sad when you realise how little money they get from it. I remember a while ago seeing the breakdown of SM Entertainment’s income, and I can’t remember seeing a good amount going to the idols. Some amazing music and talent comes out of Kpop, but it is heartbreaking knowing what harsh treatment is behind it all. There’s so much that we don’t see that goes on behind it all, and I understand that there is bad in many industries across the world, but things hit harder when you see or hear of it - it really brings it back to reality. I wish people could do what they love with the talent they have, and not be pushed over the brink to fit a particular structure or mould. It’s like some forget that they are people and not just idols to be trained and make a name of the companies.
i mean it could be to make the company more known, like if they're flexible people are like "oh did you see this idol that is so flexible?" kinda like that
They'll be singing and dancing for quite an amount of time per day, if you're not flexible then you'll get stiffer and stiffer which can affect your performance on stage.. if you dont have charm/charisma then the only thing you can rely on is your performance
@@TheNuvia1210 idk if this is true or not but he says that some entertainment companies are more biased towards male trainees compared to female trainees
The text saying "Some trainees can remain in entertainment agencies for years...and never end up debuting." displayed over the cheering fans...it's absolutely chilling
Imagine dedicating yourself for years of this grueling training only to be rejected, your dreams crushed and with nothing to show for all the hard work.
It seems to me that they deliberately keep the trainees on the courses, even if they know that they have no chance on the market. This only generates more money for these companies (which I think are dubious when I see what's in the documentary).
@@jellyfishi_ I understand where you’re coming from and how it can be perceived that way however her job was to help them improve on their dance and vocals. It may be the company’s job to prepare them to be idols and achieve that status but like I said in my comment she didn’t say anything about what they could improve on to become the best kpop idol they could be. I respect your opinion and in no way do I mean to offend you or come off as rude. This is just my view of it ☺️
someone just fuckin save her from that shit hole omfg the entire kpop community is fucked.... she doesn’t deserve ever this, neither does any idol and trainee
@@Skinnypole_clara You don't have to support kpop. Dunno where you came up with that, but why the fuck u comparing animals to humans?They are both completely different. Yes, animals get treated nicely. But when they're out in the wild, they worry about the food chain. Animals dont have it easy.
As someone who did ballet. Yes pushing a person down for splits is a thing but WITHIN REASON! Yes we push splits down because it is ballet but we also DONT WANT TO HURT THEM! If the dancer is screaming out of pain YOU STOP! You do it again later in their own pace that doesn’t damage the dancer! The way the instructor literally dragged Mizuho could damage her ham strings and damage her leg muscles! This can even lead to permanent damage! Yes push your dancers for them to become better. But not in the method where it physically damages them! Also emotionally too! This is disgusting.
Exactly! I'm not a dancer; I'm a classically trained singer, but it's the same with us...We never push the voice beyond what it can handle. If you feel pain, it means something is wrong and forcing yourself to sing in such a way can lead to permanent damage. Our bodies are our instruments. We have to treat it with respect.
Exactly I’m a figure skater, and the entire point of pushing someone in the splits in to feel a deeper stretch and get slightly farther down than last time. Not to push so hard someone cries.
i used to get insecure by looking at all these kpop idols on instagram. they all seemed so perfect, beautiful, skinny, talented and extremely happy. but nobody knows what they have to sacrifice in order to maintain this lifestyle.
Crimson Riot Yes, there will always be people who have it worse. But does that change the fact that they are suffering as well? Seriously, it's hella annoying when you put out a problem and someone goes: "YEAH, bUT thErE ARe PeOPLe ThAT-" YES, I KNOW. BUT A PROBLEM IS A PROBLEM. Go be stupid somewhere else -.-
@Crimson Riot I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't compare sufferings with one thing and another. A suffering is a suffering. If you get your entire limb fractured versus having a nail ripped off, would you say you can only complain about one of them? That's stupid.
I think it’s buttering her up before they dish out the real punishment which is kicking her from the debut. It’s to soften the blow when she realizes she’s the only one that won’t make it.
I think they also did it on purpose for the other girls. They knew she wasn't going to cut it, and praised her while belittling the ones who did. A bit of manipulation. 'Oh look, she did great but she was cut, I have to work harder and be better than her so that they don't kick me out.'
Lilia Alvarado I agree with you but I also think that it’s saying even if they are praised and do good it doesn’t always guaranteed that they’ll 1. Debut 2. Be successful 3. Wont regret it later And much more despite their hard work
when i was younger, i always wanted to be a kpop idol. i would always push myself to go through the diets that they went through, training myself like how they did. but it was so hard, too hard for me. the idols that are idols now are so strong to endure the pain they went/go through.
wachotraefernet that’s not it they put more pressure on the females because in Korea and most asian countries the standards for females are much higher then males
@@wachotraefernet It OFC would not have been OK.. I said especially females... It mostly because they have high standards... In Korea and companies are much brutal towards the female trainees than the male... You can see in the video at the beginning... Her scream... She looked in so much pain.... :(
Honestly being a kpop idol seems like hell. I’m a kpop stan (stay) but like I can never imagine what kpop idols go through and go maybe not even debut in the end. It looks like just straight up hell
probably because she was older than the others (24), i heard sori also couldn't debut with yg (i think) because she's almost 30. But who knows, i hope she does get to debut i would totally stan her
@@yeee9238 thats so crazy to think about, considering bts' age difference(in the beginning it was 15 at youngest and 20 at oldest). I guess that just goes to show how rare and how lenient just that amount of leeway can be in the kpop industry. Just age can be that way...
I think if you're a trainee you need to have the talent and skills not just knowledge on how to dance and perform because companies have high ideal standards that you need to keep up and they are not thinking twice whether they'll pick you because they are always looking for the best. It's harsh but that's reality. And it doesn't mean that you get the best compliments you're safe no sometimes they compliment those that did not pass the test just to lessen the negativity or discouragement of that person.
RM's moonchild yeah or u don’t get properly recognised and promoted and thus ur group becomes a nobody in the kpop industry... not only do u need to get past the stage of debuting but also continuing to work hard to attain success. I always pity and feel bad for many idols 😓
not really tho if you did work really hard and did a contribution to all of the kpop industry, although doing that is very hard and its very unlikely to happen (use bts,and other famous groups for an example, i bet they won't be forgotten. but they did work really hard) but imo, its easier to get richer by working in a idol agency or making an idol agency then being the actual idol
@@gawkygawk6396 the percent to get success is still low, and you still have to fight with many people just to get debut So i hope if anyone who dream to be in this industry have a back up plan
Forcing a split is terribly really really bad you can rip/stretch your skin on the inner thigh also your muscles and joints can be risked of injury so overall never force a split or push someone further down what they can do it enough
Jimin Got Jams a similar situation happened at my school a boy at my school wanted to do the splits and someone forced him into the splits and he had to go to hospital
Many foreigners want to become idols, but in Korea, when selecting foreign idols, most Asian people are cast (Japanese and Chinese), or if they are Korean like Rosé, but their nationality is New Zealand. In Thailand, people with white faces are usually cast. (Minnie, Lisa, for example) And mixed blood is possible. It is actually difficult to debut as an idol in Korea unless you are particularly good at singing. You have to be fluent in Korean. There are many people who want to be an idol in Korea, so it is highly competitive.This is the reality
bangtansonyeondamn exactly what i was going to say. It’s a gradual (yes. slightly painful) process. but it should never bring you to screaming and tears. Be gentle with your body... and how they pulled her out of it at the end! they were just wanting to tear her muscles
@@stephanieblosser5490 oh my god i know i cringed so hard when they yanked her out of it. i have been a dancer for 22 years and thank god not once has someone forced me into the middle splits like that. its so 80s to do something like that :/
Pushing with a lot of weight could be harmful but you can see in the video she just has one hand on the girl's body so I doubt she's pushing with much force. I think the girl is mostly screaming from the pain of gravity. Partner stretching like this can be very helpful, but I've never screamed from pain before pushing a middle split.
Yeah, I would prefer to work hard before auditioning to a big company. Because there your sweat and tears are worth it. Plus u don't have to pay the company debt after debuting
It's kind of annoying how so many companies are popping up wanting to train idols and once they debut, they don't have enough money to actually promote them. Training an idol is an investment but if you don't put anything to promote them then they'll dissappear and you'll just keep losing money.
@@ambya6431 every group has to pay the company debt unless they earn so much that the company doesn't care about the debt. Even twice i think they just finished the company's debt around.. Last year(?) But they said it somewhere about getting their first full paycheck
Gummey I’m pretty sure twice paid off their debt within 2 years. I mean they were literally the hottest girl group when tt came out.they had many comebacks in one year, did a lot of promotions and concerts. So it’s impossible that they got their first pay check last year.
Feliday Danica Gemillan conforming to physical abuse isn’t a path anyone should have to be ok with, yes sore muscles, lots of practice, calorie counting is some things that should maybe let slide but that was physical abuse any way you want to put it
Guys I have seen many of you have commented that you wanna debut as a kpop idol. Think twice why you wanna become an idol? Just because your role model is also a kpop idol? Or you're into kpop? Or what?? Please don't change yourself, your own self because you love kpop idols. You don't need to copy them. Just get your dream job and work for it. Trust me you'll definitely become happy at the end! Be who you really are! You deserve the success
Hey I saw this comment and I do want to be a Kpop idol and will be auditing in a year or two during those times I will practice also I have thinked twice about it and I'm 1000% sure I want to be a Kpop idol I already have everything planned if I don't make one company, I'll keep trying, I don't want to give up it's my dream not because my favourite idols are one but because dancing and singing have always been a big part of me I have been on stage before and I really liked it and that has made me want to do this dream I know I will be successful I have a good luck feeling, I know I will make one of the companys. Sorry for being so late but I kinda want to talk about it
@@UsergoingthroughitThat's the spirit... God tests us before giving our dream... Just be persistent... Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your dreams... Just find a good company for yourself like jyp, hybe, kq ent I hope you keep improving every day... All the best 👍
@@YTworld-69 It's not every agency that does that, though. Sure, this agency should go into the gutter, but many agencies(not just bighit and blockberry) treat their trainees well, or if not well, then better than this.
@@maximelover3314 I meant the exacting weight bar. And seeing as I do not stalk female idols to find out their weight, I do not in fact know a female idol who weighs more than myself.
I’m mildly Bored. Apologies. calorie deficit it whats required for weight loss. unless you want to lose an absurd amount of weight in a short amount of time then you would choose a dangerously low kcal consumption like 300
omg this breaks my heart. Like when yeonjun from TXT cried telling we debuted I always thought like "yeah you debuted why do you have to cry". But now I know... Its insane how they work so hard for YEARS but still not debut.
Unlike her, Lisa is the perfect dance teacher because her technique and way of teaching is far better. She points out the trainee's problems correctly and is not over the top, which is certainly why the trainees like her. She also understands their feelings and try to help them.
This is so horrible. I like don’t even know what to say. The judges treat them like dog shit. I can’t believe her judgement was the kindest and they still kicked her out.
vhope trash hate to say it but it’s probably because she’s Japanese. Companies (especially ones that treat ALL of their idols badly) are usually especially cruel to foreign/non-Korean idols. It’s always happening, even in big companies (coughSMcough). It’s horrible but usually true.
ive got jimins jams that’s cuz JYP is the best of the Big3 (JYP, SM and YG). They’ve got issues but in my opinion yg and sm are a lot worse, although I do like many artists from these companies I don’t like the companies themselves.
there isn't a problem of being strict but telling them these words: "i'll kick you out instead", "i won't let you debut" "you make my ears hurt" hurts like hell bruh.
but the people in the comments saying this are met by immense hate telling that she is a dance teacher and whatnot, giving constructive criticism is what she should be doing, but instead she is abusing her with words. Imagine if the trainee was seriously hurt when they forced her to the splits, like gurl that's not how it works, you can't force yourself to do things like that, you are either born with it, or you slowly adapt to it, get it straight. I got so pissed 😤
@@ominkwon6329 Japanese music industry is actually as big as the Korean one. The thing is that Korea focuses on going worldwide while Japan wants to preserve it for their country and doesn't really care about your skills (it depends of which idol company, but most of them doesn't give those kinds of hard trainings)
@@ominkwon6329 Japan actually has a big market, a market that has a stronger and longer history in Asian pop music, that's why even Korean artists have Japanese albums and promotions, but Korea is more international.
It's the same mentality as inner city youth focusing on basketball, Dominicans with baseball and Russian girls dreaming of ballet. The odds of making it are astronomical and even if you get into the box you are likely to make money and incur debt - but you dream
My biass! Yes ikr, but when seulgi didn't make it i found it really cutee. Well actually shes so fully capable. Sing? Ofc. Dance? No need to ask. Visual? Bruh i can even turn gay for her
When she was pushing down on that girl doing the split, does she even realize how detrimental it could’ve been to that girl physically?! Forcing someone when they’re not flexible and haven’t warmed up is beyond dangerous!
My thigh tendons were damaged because of that. I was learning to dance when I was 11 I guess, and they replaced our regular teacher for a day. I knew kids were running out crying when he did lessons and now I understand why. I still suffer from that and I guess I'll never be graceful in my motions ever again.
Without water, it’s so easy to get dehydrated and pass out. Water is more important than food, plus it’s so necessary for the body. That’s just sad. Kpop diets aren’t healthy on its own, but this “no water” diet is another level.
Got to appreciate how hard these people work to make their dreams come true. The kpop idols who are successful now have gone through a lot to get to where they are.
Lisa's tutoring is normal .Im not even a dancer but I used to practice for a performance at school with my teacher and my teacher is much much worse than her and we are not even dancing that much
She has to be strict. But she’s not like this dance instructor who makes the dancers feel bad about themselves. Lisa gives motivation and wants the dancers to do well and I respect her for that. I wouldn’t mind having her as my dance instructor.
why did the DANCE TEACHER critique the trainee’s vocals??? thats for the VOCAL TRAINER to do, she has no experience with singing and shouldn’t be qualified to tell them how to sing
@@loonaroaches even if she did have experience i don't think it would be okay to shit on the trainee's vocals and not give them critique to improve their singing.
Magnaut Sana criticism isn’t only pointing out flaws, its also about giving advice to improve on those flaws. i do agree that being able to take criticism is a big part of life, and these girls are taking it well. however the trainer isn’t giving advice at all and solely telling them what they’re doing wrong - in a very harsh manner. if it is criticism, it’s not very good criticism
@*화월6446 i never said kpop trainers were idiots, i was pointing out the fact that the dance trainer was giving the trainees harsh "critique" on their singing - something she probably, if we're being honest, has little experience of training. therefore, it shouldn't be right that she's the one to give them critique on their singing
The fact that the first few seconds were allowed to be on the internet says that they do something worse off camera. Anyway, Miss Mizuho is doing fine now. Apparently, in 2021 she was on a vacation in Spain
Fr like over in America im told I need to gain weight while in Korea they say I need to lose weight so like body standards in different places are hard to deal with especially when you move and visit countrys often
@@TT-sp5st True. It's better to not care what others think and just be confident in yourself. lol I started being that way and honestly, I prefer my confidence over other peoples opinions.
I am a Korean, and I have an older sister who is a trainee in Korea. Of course, to be an idol, you have to be good at dancing and singing. Since there are many aspiring idol groups, it is also true that competition is very fierce. However, it is exaggerated to be so torturous. Most trainees say they are tired but happy to do what they want to do. It's just some small and medium-sized agencies that train in a foreign country like that way. If you think most idols are like that, it's a misunderstanding. I want a lot of people to know about this.
Rosey Teacup In ballet they make us do this. When I was a child too and the adults stand on you. It makes you flexible enough for the rest of the moves to not hurt.
Bari Forever Best if luck to her! I’m Korean too but I hope Korea changes for the better in terms of what they expect of women. I had children I taught while I lived there tell me about plastic surgery they might consider as well as doctors who would basically tell me to get plastic surgery too. Also the 50kg thing needs to stop ASAP
@@tabitha8232 That's crazy, I never had anyone do that to me as a child in ballet lessons. I didn't go to an actual ballet school, but it seems excessive even there...
@Ryan Davidson That's fair. However, being a person who cares about others so much that it's kinda stupid, it hurts me nonetheless when I see her in such pain, especially since I had to deal with that in ballet when I was little, and I know how bad that can be (even if I can only understand that little bit of it) That's all I'm saying. Hearing her scream in so much pain was very difficult to watch for me.
Yuri Katsuki yeah bighit (bts’ company for those who don’t know) aims to change the corruption in the industry that’s why bts doesn’t use media play etc
@@yurikatsuki5130 not THIS, but a less severe form. They most definitely had rules and had to restrict their diet in some way and were being trained in their skills and there were many trainees in the lineup for bts that didnt get selected. But for one, male trainees have it a little easied, especially in regards to posture, style, and weight, oof honestly every rule for idols is a little stricter for women. So bts had a corm of this ,but not nearly as bad i dont think. Remember suga messed up his shoulder and never got it fixdd due to the fear of him being kicked out, and he most likely really would have been. But even still, bighit seemed to have treated them fairly well all things considered, they werent starved or berated constantly as theyve said and the boys mainly just pushed themselves on their own, because again it is a competition for all of them.
@Chuck Nourrizzz there are so many trainees who want to become an idol and to have successful career as idol. It's normal that they compete hard. It's not possible for all the trainees to succeed as idol. To be frank, other domains are not different. You can eanr much money like Bill gates? Is it easy to become a doctor or lawyer who have successful careers in your country? Nobody forced trainees to keep practicing to become an idol. That's their choice. Dreams can't be easily realized.
Even though I’m a Kpop Fan, I don’t support the way they train idols. I understand they need intense physical training. However, the instructors shouldn’t mentally break the trainees by spewing harsh words such “you don’t deserve to debut”, “you will never be an idol”, etc. These words which may seem to make a person tough, is actually doing the opposite. These trainees have feelings too, and harsh words won’t make them tough, it will hurt them. These painful words we say at another person could lead to their depression, or worse, suicide. These instructors (as well as us) must be mindful of what they say, since words can really affect a person. Yes, these idols need training, but positive reinforcement is the better way to go.
I agree on this on a personal and emotional level. I am diagnosed with Depression, I'm a perfectionist and I don't take harsh criticism very well because I feel like I'm not trying hard enough when I would practically feel like passing out when practicing. When I'm told something harsh, I seem unbothered until I go behind closed doors. I cry until I fall asleep or continue practicing non-stop until I am 100% sure there are NO mistakes. It's extremely difficult to live up to others expectations in idol life and real life in general, however the harsh training doesn't change my mind. I want to be an idol and I won't stop until I achieve it, even if I can't feel my legs by the end of the day.
ThatRandomGirl XP While I don’t have depression, I do have anxiety and it’s the same case for me. Sometimes, people even call me too sensitive and soft hearted, and only by being tough will I survive life. I took it personally and failed to acknowledge my feelings. It was really difficult. But now I’m learning, and I always go by the saying “What hurts you, hurts you.” I hope that you get through whatever you are going. You are not alone :)
I both agree and disagree with this. I know that giving really harsh comments to your trainees is just going to make them think that they're not good enough and will lower their esteem, and it's really seems like an unreasonable way to treat trainees (some of them being like, 15?? Which, if you're gonna give such harsh comments to a 15 year old, that's definitely gonna screw them up), but at the same time, her comments are literally nothing compared to antis, she's also mentally preparing them for the amount of hate they're going to receive after they debut.
Huge Weeb Yup! Feel free to speak your mind :) She could be mentally “preparing” the trainees, but in my opinion, I think she’s preparing them in an improper manner. No one teaches a person how painful getting burned is by burning him/her with fire. Just like that, you shouldn’t prepare a person for harsh remarks by being harsh with him/her. Anyway, thanks for your opinion!
this video truly makes me not want to become a trainee but i really want to pursue my dream to become a kpop idol. Hope all of you guys who want to become a kpop idol can become one too
Well it said she is 24 and joined them a year ago after graduating in linguistics. So I think she made the best of her time up to that point. It would be worse if she was training there for 5 or 6 years already and wouldn't be accepted. Like this she still has other opportunities in other careers.
It takes a decade to become a professional pianist. These kpop kids are just as professional. Some pianists are childhood prodigies. Some come back up later. Some never make it. Some go to law school ot become accountants or teacher or doctors. There is an orthopedic surgeon near me who used to be in a Taiwanese band. I know who he is. The arts is a hard place. Some people are not cut out for it.
@@staceywei that's why I feel it is not okay to train fully so young. If you are 14 and you go to an art high school. U can so that and train on weekend and summer and after school. But full time no education? No way.
Fiona Chen i wanted to train in a company very young since i could improve easily and had more time to practice but thinking about it i don’t want to be treated so badly
@@sanchitasahana4649 what they're facing isnt really as harsh as other trainees and idols face.. take a look at how Hello Venus and Crayon Pop was treated by their companies.. sure, what these girls has faced are cruel but they really need to be strict because of how Knetizens and the industry are very cruel
Ir dont stan any if your okay with them being tortured it's your choice. Many of us think talent takes time but shouldn't be so brutal and forced. And they barely make money even after they debut only the most successful ones do.
@Claire S I mean I wouldnt support any. Until they make changes to how they treat idols form the goverment. I dont buy anything that belong to any group even if I like them. Because clearly that money wont go into supporting the idols. Remember tvxq they were so successful but then they sued their company cuz they barly made any money. Its until they respect their artist that I'll support I.e. stan them. And let's not forget most those trainees are kids and imagine them treating kids like that? Its child abuse and their okay with that.
it actually depends on your height and how slim you are,, i'm 149 cm and only 30 kg currently.. so,, i don't think they are required to be underweight unless they are taller and being forced to weigh less than 50 kg. so i think the shorter trainees just have it easier.
@@cosmixtsu You're 149cm tall and weigh 30kg? I'm sorry, as much as I want to agree, and granted I don't know your bodytype, age and lifestyle, that's not a healthy weight whatsoever, even for someone who's 149cm tall. Don't want to offend at all, of course, but please don't encourage this lifestyle online. Nevertheless, forcing someone to weigh 50kg no matter their height sounds like something these companies do, especially since most women from these countries tend to be short anyway.
this is why i never even thought about becoming a kpop idol all the pain, all the suffering, all the criticism, honestly my annoying maths class is 999999999999999 times better than this
so true. and if you actually do debut sometime? The hate will go on, there will always be people criticize you 24/7 for whatever you do, however you look, whatever you talk, about your talent... not to forget sasaengs or other harassment that even drives idols to suicide... guess being a trainee with instructors like this is still the tip of the iceberg...
omg i love your channel so much. but yeah i agree it’s hard which is why i respect idols who do debut. they just worked so hard and deserve to be respected even if you don’t like their music. but i also think the people who enter this industry should know what they’re up against and not set a goal of becoming an idol if they know their body can’t physically and mentally handle the stress. i’m not supporting the way the some companies treat their idols but i think they should at least know what they’re doing
But seriously, forcing a split is literally the worst, like maybe try to stretch every day and you'll slowly be able to do it, there might not be enough time but still forcing a split can damage really bad Edit: did not expect so many likes but ok Edit: why am I getting so many likes
Like a old ballerine I can say that this is bad and good. My teacher used to make us the same every single day. I done it like in 3 week(? Or so, but other girls get it in less time. Force it it's okey but force it like this isn't so good :// I remember the girls who cried for this lmao that was hard.
@@dancemymirror1491 yes I get that, I also dance regularly and my school once went for this maaaaajor competition so we were forced to split too, but sometimes people can't take too much of stretching and so it can end in bad bad things
Kim Taehyung my cousins did dance when they were around 8-14ish and all I can remember from it is one day going into their dance studio and watching one my cousins be pushed into splits against a wall and screaming.
I'm a dancer and being flexible really makes a difference. I'd say that's why they were being trained and tested. Splits aren't the only flexibility one should practice tho....
I think it's because they're such a small company that they want their idols to be good at EVERYTHING so they don't fail, because they're already doomed to fail
Flexibility is better for dance and reduces injuries. Amber did say it was a basic for girl groups. Splits are something you can work at and train for so its just another obstacle for picking out the most determined as well. It's like asking why you must take physics to graduate when you dont use it in daily life.
@credited "those filthy chinese trainees" LMAO sorry you racist. SM spent their money to debut them yes of course, but they are less paid, treated less well and treated like toys compare to korean trainees, SO YEAH they go back home you idiot. Btw Chen is not chinese but Lay is.
there actually is, it used to be on netflix which is how i found it but i believe it was removed, you can still find it on youtube if you search 9 muses of star empire bbc
If you know literally nothing about what goes on in these asian countries when it comes to being an idol, I suggest you watch Perfect Blue, there’s a lot of similarities between korea and japan
@@spicyvro perfect blue is deadass my favorite movie ever but i don't think it helps anyone to understand how being an idol works? satoshi kon just used the idol theme in a fantasious, psychological horror movie and let's be honest mima isn't even an idol through the whole movie since she ditches her idol life since the beginning to become an actress so it doesn't really cover any aspects of an idol life, let alone a trainee one
a lot of companies have a contract with the trainee or idol stating that they cant say certain stuff about certain things so i lowkey think that would be difficult to work out
50kg is not underweight for a lot of people. Even the girl who was like 46 I wouldn't be worried about the weight on its own. The diet slightly, and the schedule is a bit too strict, but other than that this really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be and as others have said, it isn't representative of a lot of companies. It's just that over in the west we tend to encourage people to give up & not bother with anything, eat whatever and not exercise. Then we try to force them to accept the way they look because trying to lose weight and/or getting a cosmetic procedure done is evil and makes you fake. Generally speaking. There are certainly some notes we should be taking from these companies.
it's only underweight if you're tall-ish. not only that, but bmi is catered to caucasian people; asians and black people do not experience the symptoms of being underweight until a significantly lower bmi.
Yeah, bmi doesn't take into account very much at all. If you have a lot of muscle your weight and therefore bmi might be quite high even if you're healthy with no excess fat. I'm around 58kg, 175cm, white if it matters & I do not look underweight at all, & my bmi would suggest I'm almost underweight. At my goal weight my bmi would be like 16 and 18 is considered the borderline for being underweight. And this is using the nhs calculator which checks other factors too. But I have a healthy diet, exercise a lot, no serious health issues, low body fat and some visible muscle. The only people bmi really works for is people who have a lot of excess fat in which case they'd already know they're overweight.
I get that BMI isn't a perfect indicator of health and that there are differences in what's considered a healthy BMI for Asians vs Caucasians. But we all heard her describe her diet, she's eating something like 300 calories a day ? I'm not sure how we all aren't in agreement--that's just not enough calories for an adult woman who is already slim. I feel like this discussion happens all the time in kpop Fandom, a kpop idol or trainee will reveal their diet and instead of acknowledging that they aren't eating much, the discussion slides into how inaccurate BMI can be or how that idol is just naturally thin--they're literally explaining their very low calorie diets. They're thin because they eat very carefully and exercise a lot. It's almost like there's this mass delusion that all kpop idols are just all naturally thin--what a coincidence. Furthermore, their training just seems bizarre. What benefit is there to exercising 7 hours a day, everyday--at some point, you run into diminished returns. Even pro athletes don't train that much, because at some point it just doesn't help you improve. You hear stories about trainees waiting 6 or 7 years to debut and its just baffling--they're training to sing and dance, not to perform brain surgery. I know they also have language and ethics training, but it just seems like an excuse to put the trainees further into the companies debt or to keep other companies from snatching up talented trainees. And if they allowed trainees to debut younger, that extends the idols career (I don't think most idols really work past 30 or so?) and thus brings in more money for the company. Anyway, something there doesn't add up, and I'm sure I don't understand the bigger picture of the idol industry--that's by design, of course. I'm sure it's in the companies interest to keep the most unethical parts of training out of the public eye. I just wish the Fandom thought a little more critically about the industry instead of believing whatever an idol tells them. Just because you see an idol eating on camera or talking about how much they love food--it doesn't mean they eat like that all the time.
we don't hate them for skinny or fat but the fact is they are untalented singers as well as do cringe dance step which if you use in annual function you will look total Clown more than plastic beauty they don't have anything.
I hope Korean agencies realize that it's not just about hardwork and following the same formula, It's also about being different and standing out. Just look at MAMAMOO'S Hwasa. She's tan and curvy, which is a big no to the Kpop world. But she's still shining because she's naturally talented and just be herself.
Fr and (no hate here) Moonbyul is not the typical feminine girl and is not great at dancing, but she has a charming personality n is very cute when she talk
But girls like Hwasa have to be super mentally strong, they get judged constantly by netizens, the sheer amount of hate she's gotten would break a ton of people and has as many idols considered ''curvy'' go on insane diets just to be told they looked better curvy, just to gain the weight back and get hate again.
Even though hwasa is considered "curvy", it doesn't change the fact from the beginning of her career (since her debut with mamamoo) she was also under 50kg, up until more recently in the past couple years. She looks more curvier than she actually is because of her height, she's only 5'3 and rumoured to be even shorter. Her official weight is released as 43kg (So yeah she is hella thin, but the sadder part is that in comparison, everyone else is even thinner). So It's not just about being "curvy" or looking "curvy" nor is a good example of it.
I don’t understand why people treat it like it’s normal. Korean entertainment industry has the worst work environment with tons of scandals. Instead of supporting idols while ignoring their pain, maybe it’s time to regulate the industry so it’s healthier
A girl “couldn’t even drink water” and another ate so little she thought she was about to die let’s all let that sink in to everyone who thinks KPOP stars and trainees have it easy and now you wish to be them think again we probably couldn’t do what they have put themselves through if this happened to us we’d probably end up fainting regularly and being in the hospital for being underweight and they are happy about it One is even ill and still doesn’t take even a day off for herself this isn’t right It’s so sad
@are you kirring mi irrriya?? Well said!! No chance at glory could ever be worth that level of abuse... *especially* if you have a 98% chance of not making the cut.
this video is a bit disheartening but it's the harsh reality of what idols have to go through. some of them have even gotten treated worse than this. i feel bad for mizuho but i'm glad that this video exists. i see a lot of young kpop fans who dream of becoming just like their favorite idols and they think it's as easy as just passing the audition and becoming a trainee. they have skewed images of what it means to be an idol. they only see the glitz and glam side that idols show on stage without knowing (and sometimes not caring) about the darker side, the side where they have to starve themselves and practice all day, only to be told they aren't good enough. or when their emotional, mental, and physical health deteriorates because of all the stress and pressure that comes with it. they have to go through all this and there's not even a guarantee that they'll get anywhere. it just really pains me when i see people talk about wanting to become idols because a lot of them don't know the half of what that really means. it's okay to have dreams and i definitely encourage you to, but i hope those that are considering venturing into this career will reconsider. please do your research and take your time understanding the requirements and risks associated with being a kpop idol. just stay safe and good luck ♡
I am glad you took your time to write. But you still people can be K-pop idols I don't know whether you know about Z-pop . Z-pop is similar to K-pop but they are not harsh on their idols they don't starve them and the most amazing thing about them is that they accept every skin colour, every body type and every nationalities also it's a new pop who started their first batch of Z-pop idols in 2019. So those who plan for being a K-pop idol can audition in Z-pop . And I know that Z-pop treats their idols way better than this because I've been seeing them from a. Long time and watching their videos also the idols are allowed to be friends with the opposite gender. Secondly it's emergimg and it needs idols so talented teens or people can go audition for Z-pop. Thirdly if not Z-pop then you can just learn Korean upload cover songs on TH-cam and you'll get what you desire for because TH-cam is a transparent form to represent your talent so you'll get justice there eventually
Which is why I probably won’t be auditioning for any k-pop companies, my sister actually recommended me to audition for z-pop since her friend passed it and they are not treating her badly at all, i think one of the groups are call z-girls and the Indian girl only had to train for a few months so I think you do have a chance of debuting, i don’t want to be a kpop idol but I don’t wanna crush my dreams either so here I am
Yashvi Savla i did submit one to jyp but they never replied, ive been wondering if i should audition for sm or not, I mean I have the guts but im scared i will just quit after a few years or months.
I cried fr is this how much k-pop idols struggles to reach their dreams 😭💔…becoming a k-pop idol was my dream at first before dreaming of becoming a break dancer when I became a k-pop cover dancer 2 or more years ago. But know I dream of being a professional break dancer bc it is just my new passion ❤
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omg her screams were so full of pain and suffering, I can’t believe they have to endure this stuff, I feel ill hearing and seeing them force her into a split and then celebrating being underweight
i know. its sickening. companies like that should be put out of business. its inhumane
Lucy Link I got so mad when the girl that was pushing her down said ''Hey I'm not even pushing you. Why are you crying?'' and then said a few seconds later ''go down lower!'' can't they see she can't and it hurts like what is wrong with them and I felt so bad I even started crying when they started celebrating they were underweight
@@spookyscarycorpse2969 that's normal (??) I take karate classes and i have to do the same so I can be more flexible and when one of us cries they push us harder to the floor ( until our knot of the belt is on the floor)
@@filipa3303 I kinda think that part wasn't as bad too. I am doing gymnastics and yes it hurts to stretch like that. But when you push through the pain, that's when you will notice progress in your flexibility. It looks awful but I have seen ballet or gymnastics coaches do worse stuff.
@@Meyb4l EXACTLYY, I think everyone here is overreacting. It's normal especially if you are a dancer lmao
Actually, being kicked out of this company would be a miracle for these girls.
Not at all i guess.. If it's your dream and you didn't succeed it.. It's actually sucks.
@@shuyaminosmaid the person said THIS company, they didn't mention another/other companies.
@@thatoneravenclaw417 but it's hard to get into any company, they need to work with what they have or they can go and find other job which is hard for most families in Korea
You've got a point
that is what I thought
I feel bad for the the girl who started crying she was in so much pain.
Yeah this is so sad
Yeah she learned so much for nothing. Hope she finds a better agency or a new career.
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Me too😔
Manisha Bhaittrai With the agency it’s basically a whole team, who publishes the music and gives themes and what not. Even in holly wood to get famous you need to have a label to publish the music. Without an agency or team you might not be successful, at least in Korea. In the US idk
The way they're celebrating about being underweight it's concerning.
Ikr
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Ikr!
Bruhh 👀
They need to be underwieght do that they can dance more freely
And this is just what they allowed to be shown on camera. Imagine what goes on behind the scenes.
Jeez K-pop sometimes can be quite mysterious
Dumb and stupid....is it worth it ?? Don't think so......on top of that most will go for plastic surgeries........they don't look natural selves.......hair colours and so on....... it's sad they 're so insecure with themselves .and that lead to all others.......tq
Shirley Cameron dont say dumb and stupid. It’s really disgraceful. Koreans have insecurities that they would change anything to make their insecurities patched up.
Shirley Cameron k firstly, it’s not dumb and stupid if being an idol is really what they want. There’s a lot of pressure, of course, and they are overworked, but when they debut, they’re happy. Secondly, the different hair colours are the concepts for the songs and albums. No one is being tortured with hair dye, it’s not a bad thing despite dying hair endlessly will damage their natural hair. Lastly, most of them go through hard times. It’s a lot of pressure being a trainee and hard work must be put into it. Although some are insecure, many are confident and they encourage others. Being insecure doesn’t lead others into being insecure.
Shirley Cameron you probably don’t think it’s worth the hard work because being an idol isn’t your dream. But many young people are happy when they sing, dance, and perform. The job that you want, the dream that you want, what you want to do in life, are you willing to work hard for it? If you are, then you’re just like those trainees. They think it’s worth it because they’re grasping at their dreams, and you will too, when you’re in the process of grabbing ahold of your dream
All of these women are better than that company.
What a joke lol
@@Mochi-ot7kq you are a joke yourself
Agree🤧
난코 agreed
@ღAsel Secret Angelღ not as bad here
I’m conflicted. I like a lot of K-Pop, but I absolutely hate how the industry treats their trainees and idols.
That's why idol's and trainee's deserve respect, we have to support them because their the ones who are putting all the work in, they're the ones who are sacrificing youth and freedom, we have to treat them with compassion, and maybe in the future when Kpop gains more exposure in the western, companies can change too.
Some company are sh*t really
cherry blossom are you kidding? They’re being forced into doing this.. the only people disrespecting them are those that make them do this and those that glorify celebrity culture.. the world doesn’t need a million Disney-style performers but hey if there’s money to make then you can be certain that someone is taking advantage of these young people
I know, I think it’s quite sad really. People shouldn’t need to suffer this much to be happy. I mean gosh yeah they’re beautiful and I really like how they look, but I would never do that cause I think u should love yourself. And if you wanna become a famous singer there are others ways,
I mean, look at Adele she doesn’t have a perfect body or anything but me and a huge amount of people love her for her voice and creative ideas. Or even Billie Eilish. She’s my favorite artist for her voice and songs and the fact that she is not perfect and has her own problems and that she is super honest about it just makes me admire her more.
It’s also so sad when you realise how little money they get from it. I remember a while ago seeing the breakdown of SM Entertainment’s income, and I can’t remember seeing a good amount going to the idols. Some amazing music and talent comes out of Kpop, but it is heartbreaking knowing what harsh treatment is behind it all. There’s so much that we don’t see that goes on behind it all, and I understand that there is bad in many industries across the world, but things hit harder when you see or hear of it - it really brings it back to reality. I wish people could do what they love with the talent they have, and not be pushed over the brink to fit a particular structure or mould. It’s like some forget that they are people and not just idols to be trained and make a name of the companies.
“She’s dancing like an elementary school student”
She was dancing better than I ever did in elementary
The way the judge would straight up go like ''u suck:D'' ....
she was dancing better than I do and I'm in highschool
God loves you! You can repent and believe that Jesus paid the price for our sins! Because He can give you so much love, joy and peace! God bless you
It’s okay if you’re not flexible. Not every idol is flexible such as Nayeon from Twice. Why they pushed the girls too hard ? 😔
i mean it could be to make the company more known, like if they're flexible people are like "oh did you see this idol that is so flexible?" kinda like that
They'll be singing and dancing for quite an amount of time per day, if you're not flexible then you'll get stiffer and stiffer which can affect your performance on stage.. if you dont have charm/charisma then the only thing you can rely on is your performance
Agree!
That was terrifying. Little by little let her go down and be flexible. I mean she screamed and cried. Also said it hurt a lot😥
The fans will notice and bitch about it
The judge's words and their pressures... might be even worst while the camera off.
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my friend is a kpop trainee at kq (ateez's management company) and he said it's not as bad as the girls :/ (he texts me occasionally)
i have turned gay from eunwoo omg that’s heartbreaking
@@TheNuvia1210 idk if this is true or not but he says that some entertainment companies are more biased towards male trainees compared to female trainees
5’0 weight
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting
Pretty sure you have to be a certain height aswell to be in the industry so the weight requirement is actually not indiscriminate
Starvation at its finest
@@dngrouscrgo I mean there's a girl in IZ*ONE that's 4'9"
I’m freaking 5’10 if I was fucking 50kg I’d be looking so damn anorexic 🤦🏾♀️
The text saying "Some trainees can remain in entertainment agencies for years...and never end up debuting." displayed over the cheering fans...it's absolutely chilling
Imagine dedicating yourself for years of this grueling training only to be rejected, your dreams crushed and with nothing to show for all the hard work.
It seems to me that they deliberately keep the trainees on the courses, even if they know that they have no chance on the market. This only generates more money for these companies (which I think are dubious when I see what's in the documentary).
the dance teacher didnt even give good feedback she just constantly told them they sucked
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck i hope u make it ☺️
@@tanayaghosh8088 I really hope you do good💛 all the love💛
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck!
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck
@@jellyfishi_ I understand where you’re coming from and how it can be perceived that way however her job was to help them improve on their dance and vocals. It may be the company’s job to prepare them to be idols and achieve that status but like I said in my comment she didn’t say anything about what they could improve on to become the best kpop idol they could be. I respect your opinion and in no way do I mean to offend you or come off as rude. This is just my view of it ☺️
Update on what happen on Mizuho:
She did not debut and has her own TH-cam channel 😊
I think i saw your account before in spill tea chanel lmao
I hope she debuts soon! She seems like a wonderful girl and I'd like to see more of her.
someone just fuckin save her from that shit hole omfg the entire kpop community is fucked.... she doesn’t deserve ever this, neither does any idol and trainee
I'll Stan her
What company is it?
Sometimes I wonder if they are training to be Idols or Shaolin Warrior Monks. Their Trainee life is so BRUTAL! 😣
They are basically toturing the trainees
They are training shaolin warrior monks but must dance and sing or even rap
@@user-lb5vs2cv2v also must have special talent and lots of aegyo in order to survive
@@EthosMusicOnly zzz, even animals were treated nicely than these trainee. I don't see why I should support K-pop
@@Skinnypole_clara
You don't have to support kpop. Dunno where you came up with that, but why the fuck u comparing animals to humans?They are both completely different. Yes, animals get treated nicely. But when they're out in the wild, they worry about the food chain. Animals dont have it easy.
As someone who did ballet. Yes pushing a person down for splits is a thing but WITHIN REASON! Yes we push splits down because it is ballet but we also DONT WANT TO HURT THEM! If the dancer is screaming out of pain YOU STOP! You do it again later in their own pace that doesn’t damage the dancer! The way the instructor literally dragged Mizuho could damage her ham strings and damage her leg muscles! This can even lead to permanent damage! Yes push your dancers for them to become better. But not in the method where it physically damages them! Also emotionally too! This is disgusting.
Exactly! I'm not a dancer; I'm a classically trained singer, but it's the same with us...We never push the voice beyond what it can handle. If you feel pain, it means something is wrong and forcing yourself to sing in such a way can lead to permanent damage.
Our bodies are our instruments. We have to treat it with respect.
Exactly I’m a figure skater, and the entire point of pushing someone in the splits in to feel a deeper stretch and get slightly farther down than last time. Not to push so hard someone cries.
Fr.. this really disturbed me. I didn't want to be a kpop idol before and I definitely don't now.
i used to get insecure by looking at all these kpop idols on instagram.
they all seemed so perfect, beautiful, skinny, talented and extremely happy. but nobody knows what they have to sacrifice in order to maintain this lifestyle.
Illusion. It's all a careful illusion.
Crimson Riot Yes, there will always be people who have it worse. But does that change the fact that they are suffering as well? Seriously, it's hella annoying when you put out a problem and someone goes: "YEAH, bUT thErE ARe PeOPLe ThAT-"
YES, I KNOW. BUT A PROBLEM IS A PROBLEM. Go be stupid somewhere else -.-
I am a teen and I think I'm underweight cuz I'm the only girl that is 30++ kilogrammes
@Crimson Riot this isn't a competition about who has it worse sis.
@Crimson Riot I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't compare sufferings with one thing and another. A suffering is a suffering. If you get your entire limb fractured versus having a nail ripped off, would you say you can only complain about one of them? That's stupid.
“I worked so hard and yet I’m still not good enough.” my heart broke for her, poor girl :((( I’m tearing up
Mizyo Yanchan do you have a link i cant find her channel
@@adre.grace1 th-cam.com/channels/rdJwSCa8dcybT6bTrgj6Dg.html this is her channel
yea me too😭
Phew
i havent got to the part yet and im tearing up reading the comment
I don't understand, she was the only one praised, and the only one who didn't make it.
I think it’s buttering her up before they dish out the real punishment which is kicking her from the debut. It’s to soften the blow when she realizes she’s the only one that won’t make it.
I think they also did it on purpose for the other girls. They knew she wasn't going to cut it, and praised her while belittling the ones who did. A bit of manipulation. 'Oh look, she did great but she was cut, I have to work harder and be better than her so that they don't kick me out.'
@@liliaalvarado7040 that way of thinking is really smart
Lilia Alvarado I agree with you but I also think that it’s saying even if they are praised and do good it doesn’t always guaranteed that they’ll
1. Debut
2. Be successful
3. Wont regret it later
And much more despite their hard work
Hmmm ur right
when i was younger, i always wanted to be a kpop idol. i would always push myself to go through the diets that they went through, training myself like how they did. but it was so hard, too hard for me. the idols that are idols now are so strong to endure the pain they went/go through.
I also just realized this is what Star Road ALLOWED to be filmed, I can only imagine what they do and say to trainees off camera
Omg i just thought about it ,
Dang...
Exact..!
Oh my gosh...
No thanksss
star road? never heard about them.
*watch the video*
ooh..that's why i never heard about them.
Star Road? Yeah Ive never heard of them Either
At first i thought it was starship ...
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me too
I don't like how they treat their trainees especially females..
would that be okay if they were males?
wachotraefernet that’s not it they put more pressure on the females because in Korea and most asian countries the standards for females are much higher then males
@@wachotraefernet It OFC would not have been OK.. I said especially females... It mostly because they have high standards... In Korea and companies are much brutal towards the female trainees than the male... You can see in the video at the beginning... Her scream... She looked in so much pain.... :(
wachotraefernet you took that way out of context dude
Yes they are like disrespecting them
Honestly being a kpop idol seems like hell. I’m a kpop stan (stay) but like I can never imagine what kpop idols go through and go maybe not even debut in the end. It looks like just straight up hell
plus you don’t get paid at all unless you repay all the debt you owe to your company for training.. so you’re also broke
She got the best feedback but she was the one who got kicked out??? Tf???
probably because she was older than the others (24), i heard sori also couldn't debut with yg (i think) because she's almost 30. But who knows, i hope she does get to debut i would totally stan her
I knowww that's were I really got confused
@@yeee9238 thats so crazy to think about, considering bts' age difference(in the beginning it was 15 at youngest and 20 at oldest). I guess that just goes to show how rare and how lenient just that amount of leeway can be in the kpop industry. Just age can be that way...
we only heard one other persons feedback. maybe the others were really good
I think if you're a trainee you need to have the talent and skills not just knowledge on how to dance and perform because companies have high ideal standards that you need to keep up and they are not thinking twice whether they'll pick you because they are always looking for the best. It's harsh but that's reality. And it doesn't mean that you get the best compliments you're safe no sometimes they compliment those that did not pass the test just to lessen the negativity or discouragement of that person.
And imagine after all this training and you managed to debut, but in a few years, the hard work might just go to waste after disbanding
RM's moonchild yeah or u don’t get properly recognised and promoted and thus ur group becomes a nobody in the kpop industry... not only do u need to get past the stage of debuting but also continuing to work hard to attain success. I always pity and feel bad for many idols 😓
not really tho if you did work really hard and did a contribution to all of the kpop industry, although doing that is very hard and its very unlikely to happen (use bts,and other famous groups for an example, i bet they won't be forgotten. but they did work really hard)
but imo, its easier to get richer by working in a idol agency or making an idol agency then being the actual idol
I hope she has a backup plan
@@gawkygawk6396 idk how hard bp worked, if they didn't debut in yg...
@@gawkygawk6396 the percent to get success is still low, and you still have to fight with many people just to get debut
So i hope if anyone who dream to be in this industry have a back up plan
Forcing a split is terribly really really bad you can rip/stretch your skin on the inner thigh also your muscles and joints can be risked of injury so overall never force a split or push someone further down what they can do it enough
Yeah ;-;
itz_Sarina Seachells did you have someone help you or did u do it yourself? I'm trying to imagine someone doing it to themself lol
Jimin Got Jams a similar situation happened at my school a boy at my school wanted to do the splits and someone forced him into the splits and he had to go to hospital
How else will I be able to pass tryout if I don’t force myself
I had to stretch for months to get my splits. I know that for forcing it is the worst idea!
Many foreigners want to become idols, but in Korea, when selecting foreign idols, most Asian people are cast (Japanese and Chinese), or if they are Korean like Rosé, but their nationality is New Zealand. In Thailand, people with white faces are usually cast. (Minnie, Lisa, for example) And mixed blood is possible. It is actually difficult to debut as an idol in Korea unless you are particularly good at singing. You have to be fluent in Korean. There are many people who want to be an idol in Korea, so it is highly competitive.This is the reality
actually a little correction, in thailand its people with chinese descent that are mostly casted. Native thais are rare
kids that is NOT the way to get your splits lower. it IS however a good way to tear your inner thigh muscles
bangtansonyeondamn exactly what i was going to say. It’s a gradual (yes. slightly painful) process. but it should never bring you to screaming and tears. Be gentle with your body... and how they pulled her out of it at the end! they were just wanting to tear her muscles
@@stephanieblosser5490 oh my god i know i cringed so hard when they yanked her out of it. i have been a dancer for 22 years and thank god not once has someone forced me into the middle splits like that. its so 80s to do something like that :/
I know haven't done cheerleading in years but that is a BIG no no
Pushing with a lot of weight could be harmful but you can see in the video she just has one hand on the girl's body so I doubt she's pushing with much force. I think the girl is mostly screaming from the pain of gravity. Partner stretching like this can be very helpful, but I've never screamed from pain before pushing a middle split.
Stephanie Blosser I’m pretty sure it was another trainee that pulled her out of the position thinking she was helping her :(
They damn near almost broke her legs at the beginning
Aah don't even reamind me of that! I could't even watch that..
u should see how chinese kids get trained for olympics
@@AnimationAirlines omg yes I saw! They force them aswell they even cry its awful!
I can tell by her scream..it sounded like she is in pain
Ikr i felt her AGH I WANNA JUST COMPLAIN TO THEIR AGENCY AND FIRE HER but i cant ..... why
.. IM A FRIKIN 11 YEAR OLD
Trainee: *literally almost died*
Judge: " I want a refund"
*Japanese trainee that only starts being trainee a year ago:
K-pop is Cancer
@sebbspato2 Most of them are like that though...sadly
Either she didn't know the training they get through, or she didn't give an eff about it.
@@grazisamor1991 nah its company differences. If the company is powerful and famous its guarantee sucess.
being JUST a trainee isn't easy but everyone takes risk for the sake of their dreams
*“ I'll not let you debut. I'll kick you out instead"*
Sis that's terrifying
For real, that was so fucking rude.
Tbh, its more rude than my mom. *Really.*
@@eniks6607 my mom like that tho :v
Just show how tough this industry is. People are literally clawing each other out for debut.
Just get other job
Funny thing is that this just one of the many no-name companies out there.
yeah and they'll debut but won't have success, at the end, it's not that bad that she couldn't make it
Yeah, I would prefer to work hard before auditioning to a big company. Because there your sweat and tears are worth it. Plus u don't have to pay the company debt after debuting
It's kind of annoying how so many companies are popping up wanting to train idols and once they debut, they don't have enough money to actually promote them. Training an idol is an investment but if you don't put anything to promote them then they'll dissappear and you'll just keep losing money.
@@ambya6431 every group has to pay the company debt unless they earn so much that the company doesn't care about the debt. Even twice i think they just finished the company's debt around.. Last year(?) But they said it somewhere about getting their first full paycheck
Gummey I’m pretty sure twice paid off their debt within 2 years. I mean they were literally the hottest girl group when tt came out.they had many comebacks in one year, did a lot of promotions and concerts. So it’s impossible that they got their first pay check last year.
Forcing someone to do the splits who isn’t that flexible is brutal.
It’s like telling somebody to swim when they don’t know how to-
They audition for the exchange of fame for their dreams as the consequences they have to accept their path as a trainee..
Feliday Danica Gemillan conforming to physical abuse isn’t a path anyone should have to be ok with, yes sore muscles, lots of practice, calorie counting is some things that should maybe let slide but that was physical abuse any way you want to put it
@@ms.ariesintrovert1359 tbh. It's not all about the fame.....
I understanded that sentence you said at the end...
So I guess ur saying my family’s brutal- for forcing me to swim when I can’t and haven’t took any clases and always comparing me to my cousin-
Guys I have seen many of you have commented that you wanna debut as a kpop idol. Think twice why you wanna become an idol? Just because your role model is also a kpop idol? Or you're into kpop? Or what?? Please don't change yourself, your own self because you love kpop idols. You don't need to copy them. Just get your dream job and work for it. Trust me you'll definitely become happy at the end! Be who you really are! You deserve the success
Hey I saw this comment and I do want to be a Kpop idol and will be auditing in a year or two during those times I will practice also I have thinked twice about it and I'm 1000% sure I want to be a Kpop idol I already have everything planned if I don't make one company, I'll keep trying, I don't want to give up it's my dream not because my favourite idols are one but because dancing and singing have always been a big part of me I have been on stage before and I really liked it and that has made me want to do this dream I know I will be successful I have a good luck feeling, I know I will make one of the companys. Sorry for being so late but I kinda want to talk about it
@@UsergoingthroughitThat's the spirit... God tests us before giving our dream... Just be persistent... Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your dreams... Just find a good company for yourself like jyp, hybe, kq ent I hope you keep improving every day... All the best 👍
@@Usergoingthroughit Well I hope you make it!🤗🙏
@@Usergoingthroughit Good luck for us. My plane A it's the word of kpop but If it doesn't work... maybe a different industry like pop.
Korean obsess with under 50. Its stupid. People bones and musce are different. It all counts in the weight
That's why this industry should end
@@YTworld-69 It's not every agency that does that, though. Sure, this agency should go into the gutter, but many agencies(not just bighit and blockberry) treat their trainees well, or if not well, then better than this.
@@cloudedcamera2089 Do you know any female above 50-53 ? If no, then yes every agencies are like that.
@@maximelover3314 I meant the exacting weight bar. And seeing as I do not stalk female idols to find out their weight, I do not in fact know a female idol who weighs more than myself.
Vortex
...you're basically telling a whole country to stop making music lol
"I eat 300 calories a day."
But an average woman needs about 2000 calories to sustain her weight......tf????
I ate 300 calories too when i had an eating disorder...lost 1 kg everyday it‘s super dangerous and unhealthy i feel sad they get forced to do it...
2000??? It’s not 1000?
I just go crazy with mine sometimes it's 200 calories sometimes it's 2000 calories
키미
I eat 1200 to 1300 a day, is that enough?
「 Meisai 」 it’s sad, she’s literally in her mid-twenties
300 calories a day are you asking then to die ?? thats legit one slice of pizza.
plus the amount of dancing she does would probably burn all those calories up to rather like negative calories a day
Well, her goal (sadly) is to lose weight...
Them*
I’m mildly Bored. Apologies. calorie deficit it whats required for weight loss. unless you want to lose an absurd amount of weight in a short amount of time then you would choose a dangerously low kcal consumption like 300
Blackpink Lisa weighs 98.5 pounds, at the height she is rn, how much she weighs isn’t good for her.
omg this breaks my heart. Like when yeonjun from TXT cried telling we debuted I always thought like "yeah you debuted why do you have to cry". But now I know... Its insane how they work so hard for YEARS but still not debut.
god r they training for gymnastics or singers
singers
@@bren8926 and why do they have to do Splits?👀
@@bren8926 I don't think you understood the sarcasm in this comment.
@@bren8926 whoooosh
Both
i understand the teacher was just giving feedback and all that, but she doesnt need to say "i'll kick you instead" like wtf
Unlike her, Lisa is the perfect dance teacher because her technique and way of teaching is far better. She points out the trainee's problems correctly and is not over the top, which is certainly why the trainees like her. She also understands their feelings and try to help them.
@@iisimplyamy8031 I get what you're tryna say but why bringing up Lisa? No one asked.
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 well, Lisa is a dance instructor and played that role in a tv show so i brought her up
@@iisimplyamy8031 oh I didn't know sorry
@@iisimplyamy8031 no one cares about Lisa here. This has nothing to do with her.
"SOME TRAINEES REMAIN IN ENTERTAINMENT AGENCIES FOR YEARS AND NEVER END UP DEBUTING"
This breaks my heart💔
😔 and I be so confused and this one dude was so good he debuted in 1 week
im trying to become a trainee. sooo...
@@bubble-pop2163 same
@@bubble-pop2163 I legit planned my whole life out without my parents knowing
@@BunEsub i am planning but i will go for p nation and rbw only
Every time I want to become a K-pop idol I come back to this same video
This is so horrible. I like don’t even know what to say. The judges treat them like dog shit. I can’t believe her judgement was the kindest and they still kicked her out.
vhope trash Ikr
vhope trash hate to say it but it’s probably because she’s Japanese. Companies (especially ones that treat ALL of their idols badly) are usually especially cruel to foreign/non-Korean idols. It’s always happening, even in big companies (coughSMcough). It’s horrible but usually true.
@@yourhope5410 jyp has loads of trainees from over contries and theyre treated the same i think
ive got jimins jams that’s cuz JYP is the best of the Big3 (JYP, SM and YG). They’ve got issues but in my opinion yg and sm are a lot worse, although I do like many artists from these companies I don’t like the companies themselves.
Wen hui I like your attitude
The teacher herself is emotionless and she's saying that Minzho have no emotion...RUDE!
i know, even when she is upset she shows no emotion i-
The teacher isn't the one who will perform on a stage at the end of the day...
search Karen in the dictionary and you’ll find her picture
Yes, I wanna kick her and throw her in the Pacific Ocean she is so rude ;-;
@@kchile4566 it’s not a Karen...it’s an entire. Different culture.
there isn't a problem of being strict but telling them these words: "i'll kick you out instead", "i won't let you debut" "you make my ears hurt" hurts like hell bruh.
but the people in the comments saying this are met by immense hate telling that she is a dance teacher and whatnot, giving constructive criticism is what she should be doing, but instead she is abusing her with words. Imagine if the trainee was seriously hurt when they forced her to the splits, like gurl that's not how it works, you can't force yourself to do things like that, you are either born with it, or you slowly adapt to it, get it straight. I got so pissed 😤
I would've cried
I would've insult her
@@xannity7969 lol. that's too much.
@@Sapphiredrawing bro we are same
K-pop Idols are the most hardworking one..they literally deserve lots of respect and love ❤️
I feel like she can do well or even better in Japan, she doesn't need to go to Korea to be honest
Megu X usually people go to Korea since the industry is so much bigger..
@@ominkwon6329 and for proper and more detail training lesson
@@ominkwon6329 Japanese music industry is actually as big as the Korean one. The thing is that Korea focuses on going worldwide while Japan wants to preserve it for their country and doesn't really care about your skills (it depends of which idol company, but most of them doesn't give those kinds of hard trainings)
@@ominkwon6329 Yeah but the competition will then be fiercer, some may not even get far at all
@@ominkwon6329 Japan actually has a big market, a market that has a stronger and longer history in Asian pop music, that's why even Korean artists have Japanese albums and promotions, but Korea is more international.
as a person that has trained in gymnastics and contortion for years, her split was defiantly not safe. She could have broke her uterus
@Mažas Bebras Just go until you feel it. DOn't push till it hurts
That is so terrifying and sent shivers down my spine..
Same, i do contortion
@Mažas Bebras don’t do that, you can actually break your uterus and that’ll be worse than not being able to do it.
It may have just been me but I thought I heard a crack as she was trying to go lower. Was it just me????😬😬😬😖
What’s the point of becoming a Kpop idol trainee? Even if you get to debut, you will still suffer to pay the company debts.
It's the same mentality as inner city youth focusing on basketball, Dominicans with baseball and Russian girls dreaming of ballet. The odds of making it are astronomical and even if you get into the box you are likely to make money and incur debt - but you dream
It depends
The big three company will treat you well
@@priabernamadimas So will most bigger companies
@@priabernamadimas lmao, not so much with SM. And YG is on their break of downfall rn since their artist's scandals
heyyaa wait what why do u have to pay them?
The first clip was literally physical abuse and the dance instructor is a professional bully
just reminding everyone that Kang Seulgi can’t do the splits perfectly and she’s just actually perfect
My biass! Yes ikr, but when seulgi didn't make it i found it really cutee. Well actually shes so fully capable. Sing? Ofc. Dance? No need to ask. Visual? Bruh i can even turn gay for her
Omg i fuckin love her man, she’s so perfect
Same thing with Suga
BJTNSJJ97 J from bts?
@@lexygonzalez7045 Yes our lil meow meow /ᐠ｡ꞈ｡ᐟ\
When she was pushing down on that girl doing the split, does she even realize how detrimental it could’ve been to that girl physically?! Forcing someone when they’re not flexible and haven’t warmed up is beyond dangerous!
And how the other trainer pulled her?! That is just horrible!
My thigh tendons were damaged because of that. I was learning to dance when I was 11 I guess, and they replaced our regular teacher for a day. I knew kids were running out crying when he did lessons and now I understand why. I still suffer from that and I guess I'll never be graceful in my motions ever again.
I *was* a gymnast and we always do that when I was still new. It really hurts like heck.
That’s just how it is in Asia. It’s horrible yes but that’s just how it b.
Pretty sure someone got paralysed from the waist down doing that...
“I COUDNT EVEN DRINK WATER” Omg thats too far ..
Eun Kyung TV! Yeah that’s too far
ikr! jimin from bts (bighit company) had a water diet, bighit still let him drink water.. Thats too far
Without water, it’s so easy to get dehydrated and pass out. Water is more important than food, plus it’s so necessary for the body. That’s just sad. Kpop diets aren’t healthy on its own, but this “no water” diet is another level.
The fact that they do a lot of physical work like hard dancing just makes it worse.
Water has no calories and helps you lose weight....
THAT MAKES NO SENSE 😂
Got to appreciate how hard these people work to make their dreams come true. The kpop idols who are successful now have gone through a lot to get to where they are.
Those who criticize Lisa for being too strict of a mentor. I dare them to watch this and still say the same thing about Lisa.
Exactly
Lisa's tutoring is normal .Im not even a dancer but I used to practice for a performance at school with my teacher and my teacher is much much worse than her and we are not even dancing that much
She has to be strict. But she’s not like this dance instructor who makes the dancers feel bad about themselves. Lisa gives motivation and wants the dancers to do well and I respect her for that. I wouldn’t mind having her as my dance instructor.
@@Bambooty1234 plus she only corrects them for their moves, she doesn't lack their confidence...
Melysa Chan agree!
guys, don't worry. star road entertainment is shut down and mizuho is living her best life!
:DD so happy for her
Where is she now?
I’m so happy for her ❤️
@euriio oh really? Thank God that bullshit entertainment got shut down. So happy for Mizuho, and for the rest of trainees💗
what why it shut down
why did the DANCE TEACHER critique the trainee’s vocals??? thats for the VOCAL TRAINER to do, she has no experience with singing and shouldn’t be qualified to tell them how to sing
Maybe she has experience so don't judge when u don't know.
@@loonaroaches even if she did have experience i don't think it would be okay to shit on the trainee's vocals and not give them critique to improve their singing.
@@moonlitgalaxy5940 Learning to take criticism is a big part in life.
Magnaut Sana criticism isn’t only pointing out flaws, its also about giving advice to improve on those flaws. i do agree that being able to take criticism is a big part of life, and these girls are taking it well. however the trainer isn’t giving advice at all and solely telling them what they’re doing wrong - in a very harsh manner. if it is criticism, it’s not very good criticism
@*화월6446 i never said kpop trainers were idiots, i was pointing out the fact that the dance trainer was giving the trainees harsh "critique" on their singing - something she probably, if we're being honest, has little experience of training. therefore, it shouldn't be right that she's the one to give them critique on their singing
The fact that the first few seconds were allowed to be on the internet says that they do something worse off camera.
Anyway, Miss Mizuho is doing fine now. Apparently, in 2021 she was on a vacation in Spain
the fact that they celebrate their weight loss makes me soooo sad ugh 😔
I am trying to gain weight because of my BMI.
Yeah,that’s so sad. I don’t even celebrate April fools while they celebrate losing weight ☹️
they should celebrate it. they are one step closer to debuting
Fr like over in America im told I need to gain weight while in Korea they say I need to lose weight so like body standards in different places are hard to deal with especially when you move and visit countrys often
@@TT-sp5st True. It's better to not care what others think and just be confident in yourself. lol I started being that way and honestly, I prefer my confidence over other peoples opinions.
Hearing her scream like that made me cry...my thoughts are with any and all kpop trainees out there
I am a Korean, and I have an older sister who is a trainee in Korea. Of course, to be an idol, you have to be good at dancing and singing. Since there are many aspiring idol groups, it is also true that competition is very fierce. However, it is exaggerated to be so torturous. Most trainees say they are tired but happy to do what they want to do. It's just some small and medium-sized agencies that train in a foreign country like that way. If you think most idols are like that, it's a misunderstanding. I want a lot of people to know about this.
Rosey Teacup
In ballet they make us do this. When I was a child too and the adults stand on you. It makes you flexible enough for the rest of the moves to not hurt.
Bari Forever Best if luck to her! I’m Korean too but I hope Korea changes for the better in terms of what they expect of women. I had children I taught while I lived there tell me about plastic surgery they might consider as well as doctors who would basically tell me to get plastic surgery too. Also the 50kg thing needs to stop ASAP
@@tabitha8232 That's crazy, I never had anyone do that to me as a child in ballet lessons. I didn't go to an actual ballet school, but it seems excessive even there...
@Ryan Davidson That's fair. However, being a person who cares about others so much that it's kinda stupid, it hurts me nonetheless when I see her in such pain, especially since I had to deal with that in ballet when I was little, and I know how bad that can be (even if I can only understand that little bit of it) That's all I'm saying. Hearing her scream in so much pain was very difficult to watch for me.
This is why small companies remain small. step up your game
(refund your face)
pop off LMAO
😂😂 girl, you just made my day
This. I had never heard of star road and I probably will never hear of them again after this video
Lol right
True😂
when she was screaming while trying to do the splits I felt the pain through the screen....
I feel guilty for stanning kpop. this industry just pushes humans beyond their limits.
Ana Rita Teixeira I've always wondered if bts bois went through this, they're always so bright with each other
Yuri Katsuki yeah bighit (bts’ company for those who don’t know) aims to change the corruption in the industry that’s why bts doesn’t use media play etc
Sasha B thank god they didn't touch my snek bois
@@yurikatsuki5130 not THIS, but a less severe form. They most definitely had rules and had to restrict their diet in some way and were being trained in their skills and there were many trainees in the lineup for bts that didnt get selected. But for one, male trainees have it a little easied, especially in regards to posture, style, and weight, oof honestly every rule for idols is a little stricter for women. So bts had a corm of this ,but not nearly as bad i dont think. Remember suga messed up his shoulder and never got it fixdd due to the fear of him being kicked out, and he most likely really would have been. But even still, bighit seemed to have treated them fairly well all things considered, they werent starved or berated constantly as theyve said and the boys mainly just pushed themselves on their own, because again it is a competition for all of them.
This happens everywhere
Moral of the video
Don’t become a trainee at Star Road Entertainment 😭
Mio_ Mew basically almost every other place is fine
Sad part its tadaka kent company
( jbj)
basically. not every company is like this, especially not the big ones!
trueh
@@elijahsstyle I miss JBJ. Hope they're all doing well. :(
i DO NOT like the dance teacher.
I want to slap her.
Mar K same
Look up bitch in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of her.
1 like 1 slap to them.
same.
Why kpop is only focused on dancing? I just don't care as long as they are good at singing.
“If your feeling sick then call the ceo”
“No no no I’ll just *force myself* “
Broke my heart...
that's how it goes , i'm pretty sure if she called the CEO she'd be out immedietly
Yeah.. its too heartbreaking. The way to reach her dream becoming idol is too rough and harsh...
Maybe all idols hv been through this.. and it gets me sad. They hv to keep their smiles in front of the fans above all the sufferings. :(
Ikr 😭😢
Very Heartbreaking
This is soo sad, kpop companies should really start treating their trainees/idols with humanity.
@Chuck Nourrizzz you are right but reality is reality we can't do anything in fking worlds
The Kpop companies have their own rule of things compared to the U.S. even physical harm is allowed but it's the idols choices to stay or leave.
@Chuck Nourrizzz there are so many trainees who want to become an idol and to have successful career as idol. It's normal that they compete hard. It's not possible for all the trainees to succeed as idol. To be frank, other domains are not different. You can eanr much money like Bill gates? Is it easy to become a doctor or lawyer who have successful careers in your country? Nobody forced trainees to keep practicing to become an idol. That's their choice. Dreams can't be easily realized.
StarRoad is a piece of trash, there r so many osm companies..she can just try JYP..
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They want to make a superstar!! Look how proffesional KPOP idols are because of Korean system
Even though I’m a Kpop Fan, I don’t support the way they train idols. I understand they need intense physical training.
However, the instructors shouldn’t mentally break the trainees by spewing harsh words such “you don’t deserve to debut”, “you will never be an idol”, etc.
These words which may seem to make a person tough, is actually doing the opposite. These trainees have feelings too, and harsh words won’t make them tough, it will hurt them.
These painful words we say at another person could lead to their depression, or worse, suicide. These instructors (as well as us) must be mindful of what they say, since words can really affect a person.
Yes, these idols need training, but positive reinforcement is the better way to go.
I agree on this on a personal and emotional level. I am diagnosed with Depression, I'm a perfectionist and I don't take harsh criticism very well because I feel like I'm not trying hard enough when I would practically feel like passing out when practicing. When I'm told something harsh, I seem unbothered until I go behind closed doors. I cry until I fall asleep or continue practicing non-stop until I am 100% sure there are NO mistakes. It's extremely difficult to live up to others expectations in idol life and real life in general, however the harsh training doesn't change my mind. I want to be an idol and I won't stop until I achieve it, even if I can't feel my legs by the end of the day.
ThatRandomGirl XP While I don’t have depression, I do have anxiety and it’s the same case for me.
Sometimes, people even call me too sensitive and soft hearted, and only by being tough will I survive life.
I took it personally and failed to acknowledge my feelings. It was really difficult.
But now I’m learning, and I always go by the saying “What hurts you, hurts you.”
I hope that you get through whatever you are going. You are not alone :)
@@reign_sw4g176 Same.... Except for i want to be an idol
I both agree and disagree with this. I know that giving really harsh comments to your trainees is just going to make them think that they're not good enough and will lower their esteem, and it's really seems like an unreasonable way to treat trainees (some of them being like, 15?? Which, if you're gonna give such harsh comments to a 15 year old, that's definitely gonna screw them up), but at the same time, her comments are literally nothing compared to antis, she's also mentally preparing them for the amount of hate they're going to receive after they debut.
Huge Weeb Yup! Feel free to speak your mind :)
She could be mentally “preparing” the trainees, but in my opinion, I think she’s preparing them in an improper manner.
No one teaches a person how painful getting burned is by burning him/her with fire. Just like that, you shouldn’t prepare a person for harsh remarks by being harsh with him/her.
Anyway, thanks for your opinion!
this video truly makes me not want to become a trainee but i really want to pursue my dream to become a kpop idol.
Hope all of you guys who want to become a kpop idol can become one too
She is doing fine now, latest post she did was her in spain and is living life happy.
How do u know?
Do u know her instagram?
Whats her instagram @ ?
Whats her Instagram
hey
The fact at 6:18 makes me feel so bad because I can’t imagine spending my whole life, dedicating to all that hard work, only to not debut at all..
Well it said she is 24 and joined them a year ago after graduating in linguistics. So I think she made the best of her time up to that point. It would be worse if she was training there for 5 or 6 years already and wouldn't be accepted. Like this she still has other opportunities in other careers.
G.soul spent 15 years under JYP. G dragon spent 5 years in SM then moved to YG and trained for 6 years. Jihyo from Twice spent 10 years under JYP.
It takes a decade to become a professional pianist. These kpop kids are just as professional. Some pianists are childhood prodigies. Some come back up later. Some never make it. Some go to law school ot become accountants or teacher or doctors. There is an orthopedic surgeon near me who used to be in a Taiwanese band. I know who he is. The arts is a hard place. Some people are not cut out for it.
@@staceywei that's why I feel it is not okay to train fully so young. If you are 14 and you go to an art high school. U can so that and train on weekend and summer and after school. But full time no education? No way.
Fiona Chen i wanted to train in a company very young since i could improve easily and had more time to practice but thinking about it i don’t want to be treated so badly
I guess their motto is “no pain, no gain” poor trainees☹️
Just like that teacher in karate kid
Pain should be at a level but....they had gone above that level
@@sanchitasahana4649 what they're facing isnt really as harsh as other trainees and idols face.. take a look at how Hello Venus and Crayon Pop was treated by their companies.. sure, what these girls has faced are cruel but they really need to be strict because of how Knetizens and the industry are very cruel
K I so much agree☹️
@@expensivegurl1112 That's my point Some Companies treat Trainees as Harshly as possible
The good thing is “star road”, is now closed officially because of the strict and crazy stuff that occurs there and more.
appreciate your idols y’all they worked really hard. harder than you thought.
It shouldn't be that hard ya know and brutal
Ir dont stan any if your okay with them being tortured it's your choice. Many of us think talent takes time but shouldn't be so brutal and forced. And they barely make money even after they debut only the most successful ones do.
True! Thats why I go full beast on mode when them MF haters start trolling my girl Lisa!! Y’all not messing with that girl ima bazooka you lol 😂
Farah Arifah yess
@Claire S I mean I wouldnt support any. Until they make changes to how they treat idols form the goverment. I dont buy anything that belong to any group even if I like them. Because clearly that money wont go into supporting the idols. Remember tvxq they were so successful but then they sued their company cuz they barly made any money.
Its until they respect their artist that I'll support I.e. stan them. And let's not forget most those trainees are kids and imagine them treating kids like that? Its child abuse and their okay with that.
I don't care about your looks or your ability to do friggin splits.
I care about the music you produce.
Periodtt
Dayummmmm!
Agreed
TSAHH
No tampon!!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
If only it was that simple. Half the kpop fandom wouldn't exist they're all interested in the girls and guys and not their actual music
Celebrated being underweight...this is wrong in every kind of way..
50kg is not underweight for someone who's 160cm tall. Js
it actually depends on your height and how slim you are,, i'm 149 cm and only 30 kg currently.. so,, i don't think they are required to be underweight unless they are taller and being forced to weigh less than 50 kg. so i think the shorter trainees just have it easier.
@@cosmixtsu You're 149cm tall and weigh 30kg? I'm sorry, as much as I want to agree, and granted I don't know your bodytype, age and lifestyle, that's not a healthy weight whatsoever, even for someone who's 149cm tall. Don't want to offend at all, of course, but please don't encourage this lifestyle online.
Nevertheless, forcing someone to weigh 50kg no matter their height sounds like something these companies do, especially since most women from these countries tend to be short anyway.
It also depends on your body, I weigh 41-42 kg and I am 1'61 cm my maximum weight has been 50 kg and when I weighed that, i was a little chubby
Korea is different. Even starving you. It's kind of weird actually. That's why many commit suicide.
Hopefully mizuho and all her
other friends are all okay now! 😊❤
this is why i never even thought about becoming a kpop idol
all the pain,
all the suffering,
all the criticism,
honestly my annoying maths class is 999999999999999 times better than this
so true. and if you actually do debut sometime? The hate will go on, there will always be people criticize you 24/7 for whatever you do, however you look, whatever you talk, about your talent... not to forget sasaengs or other harassment that even drives idols to suicide... guess being a trainee with instructors like this is still the tip of the iceberg...
omg i love your channel so much. but yeah i agree it’s hard which is why i respect idols who do debut. they just worked so hard and deserve to be respected even if you don’t like their music. but i also think the people who enter this industry should know what they’re up against and not set a goal of becoming an idol if they know their body can’t physically and mentally handle the stress. i’m not supporting the way the some companies treat their idols but i think they should at least know what they’re doing
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This is terrible and the dance teacher is absolutely awful. Her approach is not productive nor constructive.
And not the good kind
She's just doing her job.
Mizyo Yanchan
Its 채 널 미죠 미 죠
many are far worse
Wonder how she got the Position...
But seriously, forcing a split is literally the worst, like maybe try to stretch every day and you'll slowly be able to do it, there might not be enough time but still forcing a split can damage really bad
Edit: did not expect so many likes but ok
Edit: why am I getting so many likes
exactly like your muscles will just be stiffer than before because you're ripping them where's the logic
Like a old ballerine I can say that this is bad and good. My teacher used to make us the same every single day. I done it like in 3 week(? Or so, but other girls get it in less time. Force it it's okey but force it like this isn't so good :// I remember the girls who cried for this lmao that was hard.
@@dancemymirror1491 yes I get that, I also dance regularly and my school once went for this maaaaajor competition so we were forced to split too, but sometimes people can't take too much of stretching and so it can end in bad bad things
EXACTLY, WHERE IS THE LOGIC.
Kim Taehyung my cousins did dance when they were around 8-14ish and all I can remember from it is one day going into their dance studio and watching one my cousins be pushed into splits against a wall and screaming.
“Get real” these two words pretty much summarize this whole kind of Korean idol thing 🤥
"I worked so hard, yet It still wasn't enough" *RELATABLE*
Why does this video remind me of math class...
Doker...omg I feel you
Omg yes that hit so hard
Same with me
Basically me with my grades
What does flexibility have to do with being an idol?? Some idols like seulgi are not flexible but they still can do well as an idol.
i think it’s just part of their evaluation, like it’s not THE most important thing but they still get tested
That's right 😂 I still remember how seulgi did splits 😂
I'm a dancer and being flexible really makes a difference. I'd say that's why they were being trained and tested. Splits aren't the only flexibility one should practice tho....
I think it's because they're such a small company that they want their idols to be good at EVERYTHING so they don't fail, because they're already doomed to fail
Flexibility is better for dance and reduces injuries. Amber did say it was a basic for girl groups. Splits are something you can work at and train for so its just another obstacle for picking out the most determined as well. It's like asking why you must take physics to graduate when you dont use it in daily life.
they celebrated being underweight together ...
let that sink in.
j-slay I realized that too....it's horrible.
It was awful
j-slay wow... ;-;
Still healthy weight
not gonna lie I would to only because I know I have Extra pounds to spare at the buffet...
Luckily there are lots of commpanys who don't treat their idols like this but many also do which is really heart breaking.....
I think foreigners have it A LOT harder than "pure Korean" trainees. This video kinda proved my point
@credited well you didn't heard about 'SM VS. chinese trainees'
@credited "those filthy chinese trainees" LMAO sorry you racist. SM spent their money to debut them yes of course, but they are less paid, treated less well and treated like toys compare to korean trainees, SO YEAH they go back home you idiot. Btw Chen is not chinese but Lay is.
@credited you got something against us Chinese people?
FlamingFang || Yeah prolly. Her/His comment just proved they were racist.
@credited Lol, good way to prove everyone wrong, I don't think you're doing a good job in convincing they're not prejudice.
this is so interesting. id love to see a whole documentary bout this sort of thing following a trainee for a long period of time.
there actually is, it used to be on netflix which is how i found it but i believe it was removed, you can still find it on youtube if you search 9 muses of star empire bbc
mimi rose thank you 🙏🏽
If you know literally nothing about what goes on in these asian countries when it comes to being an idol, I suggest you watch Perfect Blue, there’s a lot of similarities between korea and japan
@@spicyvro perfect blue is deadass my favorite movie ever but i don't think it helps anyone to understand how being an idol works? satoshi kon just used the idol theme in a fantasious, psychological horror movie and let's be honest mima isn't even an idol through the whole movie since she ditches her idol life since the beginning to become an actress so it doesn't really cover any aspects of an idol life, let alone a trainee one
a lot of companies have a contract with the trainee or idol stating that they cant say certain stuff about certain things so i lowkey think that would be difficult to work out
That's really horrible
My sister is planning to be a trainee but now I won't let her do it
Thank you. Really.
Good for u stopping her to do the suffering thing
Good
me too, my sister is turning 12 very soon
@정국에뷔가내리진 ever heard about how sm treats his idols? or yg?
Thank you
This is what I needed
Get REAL! Idol dreams
Thank you❤️❤️
it broke my heart when they *celebrated* being underweight.
50kg is not underweight for a lot of people. Even the girl who was like 46 I wouldn't be worried about the weight on its own. The diet slightly, and the schedule is a bit too strict, but other than that this really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be and as others have said, it isn't representative of a lot of companies. It's just that over in the west we tend to encourage people to give up & not bother with anything, eat whatever and not exercise. Then we try to force them to accept the way they look because trying to lose weight and/or getting a cosmetic procedure done is evil and makes you fake. Generally speaking. There are certainly some notes we should be taking from these companies.
50kg and below is not really under weight for a girl her height and age especially in Asia. (i weigh 48kg btw)
it's only underweight if you're tall-ish.
not only that, but bmi is catered to caucasian people; asians and black people do not experience the symptoms of being underweight until a significantly lower bmi.
Yeah, bmi doesn't take into account very much at all. If you have a lot of muscle your weight and therefore bmi might be quite high even if you're healthy with no excess fat. I'm around 58kg, 175cm, white if it matters & I do not look underweight at all, & my bmi would suggest I'm almost underweight. At my goal weight my bmi would be like 16 and 18 is considered the borderline for being underweight. And this is using the nhs calculator which checks other factors too. But I have a healthy diet, exercise a lot, no serious health issues, low body fat and some visible muscle. The only people bmi really works for is people who have a lot of excess fat in which case they'd already know they're overweight.
I get that BMI isn't a perfect indicator of health and that there are differences in what's considered a healthy BMI for Asians vs Caucasians. But we all heard her describe her diet, she's eating something like 300 calories a day ? I'm not sure how we all aren't in agreement--that's just not enough calories for an adult woman who is already slim. I feel like this discussion happens all the time in kpop Fandom, a kpop idol or trainee will reveal their diet and instead of acknowledging that they aren't eating much, the discussion slides into how inaccurate BMI can be or how that idol is just naturally thin--they're literally explaining their very low calorie diets. They're thin because they eat very carefully and exercise a lot. It's almost like there's this mass delusion that all kpop idols are just all naturally thin--what a coincidence. Furthermore, their training just seems bizarre. What benefit is there to exercising 7 hours a day, everyday--at some point, you run into diminished returns. Even pro athletes don't train that much, because at some point it just doesn't help you improve. You hear stories about trainees waiting 6 or 7 years to debut and its just baffling--they're training to sing and dance, not to perform brain surgery. I know they also have language and ethics training, but it just seems like an excuse to put the trainees further into the companies debt or to keep other companies from snatching up talented trainees. And if they allowed trainees to debut younger, that extends the idols career (I don't think most idols really work past 30 or so?) and thus brings in more money for the company. Anyway, something there doesn't add up, and I'm sure I don't understand the bigger picture of the idol industry--that's by design, of course. I'm sure it's in the companies interest to keep the most unethical parts of training out of the public eye. I just wish the Fandom thought a little more critically about the industry instead of believing whatever an idol tells them. Just because you see an idol eating on camera or talking about how much they love food--it doesn't mean they eat like that all the time.
This tells us to never hate on any kpop idol as they went through the same pain
Did j-hope go through this?
@@armyshope Every k-pop idols
Depends on the agency/company
we don't hate them for skinny or fat but the fact is they are untalented singers as well as do cringe dance step which if you use in annual function you will look total Clown more than plastic beauty they don't have anything.
Stanning Kpop Idols meaning this method to train them is right. Therefore you guys caused the pain for them
I hope Korean agencies realize that it's not just about hardwork and following the same formula, It's also about being different and standing out. Just look at MAMAMOO'S Hwasa. She's tan and curvy, which is a big no to the Kpop world. But she's still shining because she's naturally talented and just be herself.
Fr and (no hate here) Moonbyul is not the typical feminine girl and is not great at dancing, but she has a charming personality n is very cute when she talk
Linh Nguyen moonbyul is actually one of the better dancers haha
But girls like Hwasa have to be super mentally strong, they get judged constantly by netizens, the sheer amount of hate she's gotten would break a ton of people and has as many idols considered ''curvy'' go on insane diets just to be told they looked better curvy, just to gain the weight back and get hate again.
Joy Gayle yes you are very right 👍👍👍
Even though hwasa is considered "curvy", it doesn't change the fact from the beginning of her career (since her debut with mamamoo) she was also under 50kg, up until more recently in the past couple years. She looks more curvier than she actually is because of her height, she's only 5'3 and rumoured to be even shorter. Her official weight is released as 43kg (So yeah she is hella thin, but the sadder part is that in comparison, everyone else is even thinner). So It's not just about being "curvy" or looking "curvy" nor is a good example of it.
I don’t understand why people treat it like it’s normal. Korean entertainment industry has the worst work environment with tons of scandals. Instead of supporting idols while ignoring their pain, maybe it’s time to regulate the industry so it’s healthier
First step to be a KPop Idol :
"Think twice!"
which Twice?
Syamil Muharror twice as in 2 times lol or maybe just a word pun
@@meraculin Think twice before you decide to be a KPop idol.
@@sammyeatchips Yes it is. LoL
Twice is famous tho
A girl “couldn’t even drink water” and another ate so little she thought she was about to die let’s all let that sink in to everyone who thinks KPOP stars and trainees have it easy and now you wish to be them think again we probably couldn’t do what they have put themselves through if this happened to us we’d probably end up fainting regularly and being in the hospital for being underweight and they are happy about it
One is even ill and still doesn’t take even a day off for herself this isn’t right
It’s so sad
i’m seriosly rethinking about auditioning even tho i really wanted to pursue being an idol for years. i don’t want to be treated like a slave..
@are you kirring mi irrriya?? Well said!! No chance at glory could ever be worth that level of abuse... *especially* if you have a 98% chance of not making the cut.
@Mizyo Yanchan can you drop the link please? I can't find it :(
this video is a bit disheartening but it's the harsh reality of what idols have to go through. some of them have even gotten treated worse than this. i feel bad for mizuho but i'm glad that this video exists. i see a lot of young kpop fans who dream of becoming just like their favorite idols and they think it's as easy as just passing the audition and becoming a trainee. they have skewed images of what it means to be an idol. they only see the glitz and glam side that idols show on stage without knowing (and sometimes not caring) about the darker side, the side where they have to starve themselves and practice all day, only to be told they aren't good enough. or when their emotional, mental, and physical health deteriorates because of all the stress and pressure that comes with it. they have to go through all this and there's not even a guarantee that they'll get anywhere. it just really pains me when i see people talk about wanting to become idols because a lot of them don't know the half of what that really means. it's okay to have dreams and i definitely encourage you to, but i hope those that are considering venturing into this career will reconsider. please do your research and take your time understanding the requirements and risks associated with being a kpop idol. just stay safe and good luck ♡
I am glad you took your time to write. But you still people can be K-pop idols I don't know whether you know about Z-pop . Z-pop is similar to K-pop but they are not harsh on their idols they don't starve them and the most amazing thing about them is that they accept every skin colour, every body type and every nationalities also it's a new pop who started their first batch of Z-pop idols in 2019. So those who plan for being a K-pop idol can audition in Z-pop . And I know that Z-pop treats their idols way better than this because I've been seeing them from a. Long time and watching their videos also the idols are allowed to be friends with the opposite gender. Secondly it's emergimg and it needs idols so talented teens or people can go audition for Z-pop. Thirdly if not Z-pop then you can just learn Korean upload cover songs on TH-cam and you'll get what you desire for because TH-cam is a transparent form to represent your talent so you'll get justice there eventually
Which is why I probably won’t be auditioning for any k-pop companies, my sister actually recommended me to audition for z-pop since her friend passed it and they are not treating her badly at all, i think one of the groups are call z-girls and the Indian girl only had to train for a few months so I think you do have a chance of debuting, i don’t want to be a kpop idol but I don’t wanna crush my dreams either so here I am
@@hxney164 yes I get it. But if you love singing maybe you should go for the auditions. You never know what it will hold for you
Yashvi Savla i did submit one to jyp but they never replied, ive been wondering if i should audition for sm or not, I mean I have the guts but im scared i will just quit after a few years or months.
Chae이제노 Yeah u should try
I cried fr is this how much k-pop idols struggles to reach their dreams 😭💔…becoming a k-pop idol was my dream at first before dreaming of becoming a break dancer when I became a k-pop cover dancer 2 or more years ago. But know I dream of being a professional break dancer bc it is just my new passion ❤