It's getting a little ridiculous that MBC keeps labeling her as "angry" or "scary" when she's just being honest and unfiltered. She also keeps needing to make remarks that remind the audiences what actual standards an idol needs to meet to succeed.
But like she isn’t telling them anything besides this performance is bad. She’s not saying where they can improve. She’s being mean tho not pointing to anything they can improve upon like what you’re doing here in the dance try this and with your vocals try this. She just says says wow you are shit. Like how do they improve with that…? Maybe they’re not showing it in the clip.
This is why expert judges are so important in K-Pop competition shows. The crowd was cheering like they were amazing and were so puzzled at Soyeon's remarks, when it's obvious if you're actually watching objectively how poor of a performance it was. You can't just root for them because they're pretty and charming. I'm so glad that Soyeon and the other judges are there to bring the contestants back down to earth and keep the competition fair and grounded.
This is why I feel they should get rid of audience/fan voting and have a panel of judges/idols/experts instead. Fans vote according to variety of criteria (like popularity, sexy, talent, etc) but not necessarily who will do good in an idol group.
Putting into soyeon’s shoes, she was considered not attractive back then for her looks and she has always been fighting to serve the industry that looks is not everything, and that talent and hardwork are important. Now she is known as one of the best producer, and lyricist for her generation. I do hope to see shows hiring her as mentor for idol survival shows more in the future.
@@polarbear9131 Singing and dancing is important too (whether fans will support a new group). If a new group sings weakly and/or off-key/off-pitch, likely to never see them again.
That's the opposite of how it is. In the early years, idols weren't expected to have the level of talent they're expected to have now. The skill they're expected to have at singing and dancing simultaneously is extreme and absolutely unmatched by any other kind of artist. But it's also important to remember that idols aren't just singers, they're entertainers with wildly varied talents, all of which are valid.
Fun fact Yooyeon keeps a Soyeon signed polaroid as a lucky charm because she was a very good mentor, and actually gave her a lot of confidence, she was even worst than this in the begining and Soyeon helped her improve so much
rightt, and also she was eliminated from the first round but soyeon bought yooyeon back because she saw something in her. yooyeon also worked really hard to keep her place in grade 4
This is the EXACT judging they needed to have on R U Next?, they were not going to sugarcoat or tell them that they did good with a pat on their back and let them continue their mistakes. They were straight to the point and let them hear what they needed to hear, I love ittttt!!
@@bluegrays9872 First of all, you calling me blind is like me calling you a crazy lunatic who should take their meds instead of fighting the hallucinations you see. You think those judges were helping those girls improve?? OKAY.. guess you were blinded from the start since you let these young girls debut into the idol industry when it’s already not easy. Support I’ll-it tho, I’m sure they’ll achieve things if you keep supporting them.🙊😘
@@retro_mxxn3334 there was constant harsh judgement when they were judged before they went up on stage. And what was the judges suppose to do about their age, tell them they failed because they are a minor and give them 0 points for it? Audience would have found it unfair and would send them hate for it. It's not up to the judges who gets into the show.
If Soyeon along with her mates like Aiki were the mentors for every idol grp in kpop then u can just imagine how many of our favs wouldn't have even able to debut... there are so many things that majority of the idols lack but bcuz of their looks they get immense support and hype!
I'm kinda sad so many can't sing well though. Some are straight up terrible vocalist. Bu then again k pop wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't for the good visuals .
@@UFO339 I'm going to be straight honest here, for most Kpop groups, even the main vocalists are mostly so-so when you compare them to actual solo artists, band frontmans, and back up vocalists of other genres. Only the main vocalist of a Kpop group can somewhat even stack up, but even then only very few groups such as mamamoo can imo. Kpop is a whole package, but it's a jack of all trades. They all can dance, sing, entertain, etc, but are not the best at any one of them. Kpop definitely would not be nearly as big as it is without how pretty/handsome the members are and how flashy the concept and production is.
I love this show! Btw both contestant that are competing Yoohyeon and Lee Jiwoo are now debuting in TripleS. They have a massive improvements since this show being aired. Sooyeon is a very good mentor. She is in charge for class 4, and Kim Yoohyeon is her student thats why she is getting more strict.
I'm sorry but, Jiwoo did better in this mission. Given that they both lacked, it still was obvious that Jiwoo prepared more and made sure her vocal was stable while still staying on beat with the dance.
@@miniemac0305 I don't still understand how yoyeon got into triple s she barely can sing or dance.. It's only because of her looks or else she would be thrown out of the industry.
if any of you don't know, jiwoo (the one with red beret) is from tripleS. she also competed in queendom puzzle this year and she has definitely improved A LOT. i'm proud of her
@@platiniuamsp1858 yeah i found that out through another comment but thanks for telling me! i only mentioned jiwoo since she's the one i'm familiar with cause i watched queendom puzzle
Soyeon just told the truth. There is a lack of such trainers/judges in the Kpop industry to be honest. I whish the Kpop industry to be more about real talent than... connections, the influence of rich families, appearance and whether someone is cute or not...
?? Judge panels on TV shows don't reflect the industry. I think trainers behind the scenes are crazy strict. The problem are the Judges who want to protect their image on national TV
I personally think there's nothing wrong with the audience cheering despite their performance. As long as the audience doesn't play around to influence the voting (re: Kim Seojin and Kim Yeseo), then a cheer and clap wouldn't hurt. It's already incredibly difficult for these contestants, I imagine a completely silent crowd would become even more demotivating.
Imagine you are already performing bad and the audience is silent, it will drop your self confidence to the lowest; the audience aren't the judges ,them cheering for the girls gives them a boost in confidence to show their performance
thing is theyre not even 'average looking' they ARE pretty girls, the standards are just so insane when it comes to appearance. people who rather see a talentless model debut than someone who actually knows how to sing.
I can understand the audience trying to cheer them on so that they don’t get discouraged in the middle of their performance, that’s kind of sweet in a way. But what the judges brutally understand is that these same people could very well turn their backs on the girls after they debut, justifying it by saying, “Well it was cute when they were trainees, but now that they’ve debuted I have a ‘right’ to shit-talk about bad they are.” 😑
as if in every other groups are only non-pretty faces who can sing perfectly (mostly it's other way round). The difference here is that this was a survival show with very good advices from the mentors who helped both girls to improve. They didn't debut in CLASS:y but already in tripleS and the best thing is, they are still improving because they want to fight for their chances to be on stage. This is willpower and thanks to Soyeon and the other mentor they got this confidence to do so.
soyeon best mentor ever, she already the heart of her group, been to shows before, she was perfect to be mentor, literally honest and make the trainee do better, the show wasnt a joke, ofc everyone want the trainees to be good, that's why soyeon is here
Soyeon has the right to be angry, because this is the state that Kpop has come to. I mean just look at recent survival shows and 4th/5th gen groups. There’s too much focus on visuals and not enough on performance skills (most importantly singing) if you’re lacking but have insane visual then that’s ok. They will vote for anyone if they’re pretty, I mean look at R U Next…
Crazy how they are the ones who ended up debutting among other talented girls. Idc if they’ve improved, the industry still hasn’t changed. There are many other girls who are way greater at vocals and dancing on beat, yet none of them has been on stage ever since the show ended, but these two who are obviously lacking managed to debut. If you watched the show, you would see that these two especially yooyeon were wayyyyyy behind the other girls. The industry hasn’t changed one bit, I’m just very disappointed.
Why would it change if pretty, talentless girls are what brings the most money in kpop ? Look at how popular Tzuyu, or Shuhua is, just two examples. I mean Shuhua has made a big progress but she still can't sing, she just got better at dancing, but there were probably a few trainees at CUBE back then that could do it better, it was better to include a pretty face that will bring in more international fans though. It won't change, ever, because it's coming from Korean culture, it's not just kpop, lol. Korea is the lookism capital of the world.
@@DoctorStrange01 all I’m saying is I’m disappointed that even now that we finally have great judges that obviously value talent more than visuals, the industry doesn’t show any hint of changes. The reality is sad and unfair to those who don’t fit the korean beauty standard. All that matters to the industry is how much money these kpop idols could bring. Btw it is possible to debut groups without an idol with just a pretty face. For example we have groups like new jeans, mamamoo and stayc where all of them could sing. To say that it’s ok for a group to have one pretty face means none of the other girls in the group is pretty and could attract fans and that spot could literally be given to any other talented girl. Very unfair and I could never support that. Well I never was a fan of the visual position anyway, what even is the purpose? To solely be pretty 😅
Because these two persisted and auditioned again, got accepted by modhaus and trained there and then debuted. Have you seen Jiwoo in Queendom puzzle? She kept up very well with all the other more seasoned idols. She even got praised a lot by non fans for her vocals. Yooyeon is also doing very well on stage with TripleS. Sorry your favs didn't debut, but you should not take it out on two girls who did debut because they fought for what they love doing.
@@justaena1759you're fcking embarassing Jiwoo is literally one of the best vocalists in Triple S, her Sp is actually good and her dance improved so much too and she can rap so what do you want sorry you're favs couldn't debut but it is what is so don't be fcking bitter it's super annoying
The fact that it's very, very clear that Jiwoo is better than Yooyeon in this mission. Her vocal are stable, her dance are in sync, her rap and her highnotes sounds so much better than Yooyeon but she got less votes than Yooyeon. We can see that Knets only care about face. Both of them are pretty but Yooyeon got that aegyosal.🤦♀️
Soyeon was just right debuting someone who's not ready or lacking of some skills is like puttinh someone lions den with billions of hungry lion waiting to that person to make mistake and be eaten. So happy that Yooyeon debuted as TripleS she's just lack of confidence but I'm sure this year she's already fill her lacking also I'm so envy with Yooyeon who got mentored by Soyeon
There’s a difference between anger and frustration. She was frustrated by the lack of progress being shown. Even when in the practice room they were giving a lackluster performance, instead of showing passion and enthusiasm. Regardless if you’re performing in front of your mentors or a crowd of people, that energy needs to be shown. I felt like there was no energy and the one thing I was worried about was them being in sync and yet even after multiple rewinds it showed both were, not only off beat with each other, but with the music as well. These judges are good because they see them through professional eyes, and not in the eyes of their loved ones who can be very biased, even if they show no progress, which is understandable, but gets them no where. The whole point of these shows is to get them to build their skills, find and track their weaknesses and mold them into professional entertainers who will and can continue to show progress.
I think My Teenage Girl has the most people to come out and debut BECAUSE of these critisicms because it highlighted their mistakes, sure it made them feel bad, but now look at Jiwoo and Yooyeon in tripleS. They're SO much more ironed out and the gaps Soyeon was trying to show them in MTG were filled. So proud of both of them for taking it professionally, and so happy that Soyeon is their mentor.
Trainees nowadays are giving us nothing except for their visuals. People seem to be forgetting that kpop are supposed to be singers and their music. I can’t.
Mostly because older gen took longer even some for 10+ years before debuting, nowadays, shows have kids that were just playing with dirt the year before (10/12 year olds) and people who have little to no training experience - they really give them exposure too soon
all survival shows need a judge like soyeon tbh. i have seen her before and she criticises harshly, but with constructive comments to help the contestants improve. she’s cool
She is a coach. She has to be real with them for them to understand where it went wrong so they can become better and correct their errors. ❤ To me,she is the kindest here And it’s not trying to intimidate or anything like that. Trust me,I’ve been coaching before and it is hard too keep a cold face with harsh truth because you feel somehow bad to be that real with them but you know you have to for their good.
I’m not a gidle fan or follow someone much but goddamn she is the first judge where I’m like blown away by not only actually critiquing and not being mean but being real af like sometimes these performances and the idols skills are just so bad and the only way to get them to step it the fuck up is to be told THAT SHIT SUCKS >< I think anyways 🤷🏽♀️ kinda hard though with a duo but that’s why you should definitely step it up better cuz it’s just you two.
She wasn't angry, even when I was watching the episodes about a year or two ago, it was common sense that she was just being blunt and telling them what they needed to hear
I thought that too but then i heard that smt is wrong with their vocals and i was right: they're heavily autotuned. But I still think that I'm tone deaf lmao
i wish they would leave out the autotune so it makes it easier to understand why the judges are so mad. in some parts they actually sounded like robots meaning they must have been reeeeaaally out of pitch. still you can hear that neither of them have any power behind their vocals whatsoever making their high notes sound really weak and airy. jiwoo was a little bit better than yooyeon with this but still not great
I’m glad to see jiwoo and yooyeon’s improvement since this show they sound a lot better and if you look at this performance and compare it to like jiwoo’s queendom puzzle performances she sounds really good now and so does yooyeon great job on improving triple s fighting ❤
Audience was cheering only cause they are pretty. I guess the standard for kpop girl idols is getting low. Singing, rapping and even the dancing was off. They were practicing the performance but they didn't improve that much...how is that possible? Everybody gets better with practise but somehow this two can't. I can see that they were getting away with everything cause they are pretty but it's time to wake up if you wanna be kpop idol.
Shld prob check them out again now that they’ve actually debuted after training more yeah they are obv the best but they’ve improved tremendously since this competition which was like 1-2 years ago both are in the same grp now and one has even went on to compete in queendom puzzle with another gro member
They lacked energy or rather enthusiasm. If they actually gave us an energetic performance, I could overlook the so-so vocals and dance mistakes. Jiwoo's energy started out good, but as the song went on, it just puttered out. Its whatever now since both have debuted but generally, what bothers me most about trainees is when they lack enthusiasm.
As a judge for national competitions, there’s nothing more frustrating than you trying to correct a student flaws and on the day of their competition they are still bad if not worse than the previous times you’ve been trying to correct their flawed actions. The taller girl should have debuted vs the other smaller girl. She clearly got votes because she’s cuter which is extremely unfair because she was the most offbeat and off pitch during evaluations and the final performance. I’m not surprised that in Korea it’s more of a beauty contest than an actual talent contest.
Soyeon never says anything that's unnecessary or just straight mean with no real criticism. She was right. This performance lacked greatly. I think people have a hard time looking at things objectively in situations like this because we become so attached to their personalities but if a video of this performance has been shared without anyone knowing who they were they would have been harshly attacked by the public. By performing here and getting advice from professionals while also building a fan base they can really grow to become better artists, so yes it's sad when your faves don't make it but it's often the best for everyone and I doubt it will be the last time you see them, doesn't jisoo debut and compete on kingdom puzzle with a groupmate? It can work out in the end. Rooting for all hardworking rookies, I hope you receive the harsh criticism before it's too late and you're able to grow and debut!
Soyeon should've taken over the R U Next program. I don't care if 2nd gen idols were on it (I'm a 2nd gen stan myself), Soyeon does the judging job better.
i am sorry but how did yooyeon receive more votes? jiwoo was way more advanced in terms of vocals and dancing considering the fact that both the girls were lacking.. i get that yooyeon fits the idol beauty image or whatever more but do people just not care about a good performance anymore?
if soyeon were my mentor, id cry but I would significantly improve. To be a mentor doesn't mean you make your mentee happy, you're supposed to tell them whats wrong.
I'm sorry but if I'm gonna be brutally honest I never understood why Yuyeon is so popular. Like, she's pretty and all but she never stood out to me vocally or in any of the dances. She's just... there... which is why I'm so dumbfounded as to why she's so popular among the audiences.
because she was charismatic, pretty and had a "improvement" arc, everytime somebody has a improvement arc in a survival show, they'll be popular, its a rule atp
Honestly as judges, I think seeing potential and improvement is important. They told these underaged girls to their face LIVE that the performance was really bad. LMAO I saw them before they actually went out to perform and be judged. To be frank, they were really bad during practice and got criticized bad but with that being said they improved and took those comments from the judges beforehand to consideration. I think their overall performance was not "really bad' it was actually "just good/okay". They improved and sounded quite better than I thought considering what I saw during practice.
If i ever have to have a persona as a judge id pick soyeons,shes a rlly good judge she has the guts to show them that she doesn't like their performance....shes a rlly good judge shes just doing her job 😅😅
Is it weird that I presume that K pop trainees who are also younger than me are supposed to be more talented than I am? The fact that even I could perform better and these random girls get to debut is mindblowing…
Im not planning on being an idol (im American and live in America-) but I would still absolutely LOVE to have these judges and Soyeon as a mentor.. they actually care and know what corrections to give and sure, it would be tough, but I believe it would help immensely if I were to be one
Damn this shit was so long ago why tf they posting this now lol both trainees have alr debuted in the same grp and will be having a cmb with their subunit tripleS evolution in October hope y’all can support them both
@@Dolliewonnieyeah both of them were revealed as a tripleS member months after the show ended and yooyeon both have alr debuted officially both of them are coming back with a subunit debut with other members in October hope y’all can support them they’ve improved so much
@@retricallltann6243 Yooyeon also said she always carries with her a photography she took with Soyeon for good luck. Seems Soyeon had the impact on her she was after: making her better and inspire her. Also, who knows: if Soyeon had not picked her after being eliminated during the entrance trials to give her one more chance, she might not even have a career right now.
People nowadays be calling strict mentors angry because they don't act like crazy fools in love when they see obviously poor or sometimes sh*tty performances wth
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This is not anger , she's just being straight to the point
It's getting a little ridiculous that MBC keeps labeling her as "angry" or "scary" when she's just being honest and unfiltered. She also keeps needing to make remarks that remind the audiences what actual standards an idol needs to meet to succeed.
I think the tittle is for clickbait
She is not mad. She's disappointed.
Ngl the title and thumbnail looks ridiculously funny
But like she isn’t telling them anything besides this performance is bad. She’s not saying where they can improve. She’s being mean tho not pointing to anything they can improve upon like what you’re doing here in the dance try this and with your vocals try this. She just says says wow you are shit. Like how do they improve with that…? Maybe they’re not showing it in the clip.
This is why expert judges are so important in K-Pop competition shows. The crowd was cheering like they were amazing and were so puzzled at Soyeon's remarks, when it's obvious if you're actually watching objectively how poor of a performance it was. You can't just root for them because they're pretty and charming. I'm so glad that Soyeon and the other judges are there to bring the contestants back down to earth and keep the competition fair and grounded.
This is why I feel they should get rid of audience/fan voting and have a panel of judges/idols/experts instead. Fans vote according to variety of criteria (like popularity, sexy, talent, etc) but not necessarily who will do good in an idol group.
@@ronc9413 i mean these shows are litteraly a popularity contest so the companies can test the water.
@@ronc9413 i mean idol groups do well because theyre popular and attractive sooo
Putting into soyeon’s shoes, she was considered not attractive back then for her looks and she has always been fighting to serve the industry that looks is not everything, and that talent and hardwork are important. Now she is known as one of the best producer, and lyricist for her generation. I do hope to see shows hiring her as mentor for idol survival shows more in the future.
@@polarbear9131 Singing and dancing is important too (whether fans will support a new group). If a new group sings weakly and/or off-key/off-pitch, likely to never see them again.
Soyeon is like the best mentor ever, she doesn't deserve it to be painted as an angry woman.
Fr like she wasn't angry at all
seriously like wtf
Facts she is just doing her think judge very well 😅 cuz she nows when is very well 😊
when a woman is straightforward and fair, she is always portrayed as an angry and unfair one in the patriarchal society
Fr, she is just doing her job right….
this is why kpop is truly dead. ppl only care about how idols look instead of actual talent. Soyeon is so real.
Then are you saying Soyeon is dead on the inside since she's k-pop?
@@unklmonk651really? That's what you understand?
@@unklmonk651did u fail comprehension
That's the opposite of how it is. In the early years, idols weren't expected to have the level of talent they're expected to have now. The skill they're expected to have at singing and dancing simultaneously is extreme and absolutely unmatched by any other kind of artist.
But it's also important to remember that idols aren't just singers, they're entertainers with wildly varied talents, all of which are valid.
@@unklmonk651 this... you're joking right? like...?
Soyeon really came with a purpose and fulfilled it.
Greatest mentor ever
If only she was in R U Next instead of that creepy guy
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RIGHT@@berliandivaaulia3995
Yea also Lisa tho
What's the show name? Is it mbc world?
Fun fact Yooyeon keeps a Soyeon signed polaroid as a lucky charm because she was a very good mentor, and actually gave her a lot of confidence, she was even worst than this in the begining and Soyeon helped her improve so much
rightt, and also she was eliminated from the first round but soyeon bought yooyeon back because she saw something in her. yooyeon also worked really hard to keep her place in grade 4
and now shes in tripleS 🎉
@@seth-qf4hd where?
@@drkmonn9153 in..tripleS? just search YooYeon TripleS
@@drkmonn9153she’s in triple s rising, generation and evolution
This is the EXACT judging they needed to have on R U Next?, they were not going to sugarcoat or tell them that they did good with a pat on their back and let them continue their mistakes. They were straight to the point and let them hear what they needed to hear, I love ittttt!!
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The judges there 100% did that. If you didn't see that part you're probably blinded because your fav didn't make it
@@bluegrays9872 First of all, you calling me blind is like me calling you a crazy lunatic who should take their meds instead of fighting the hallucinations you see. You think those judges were helping those girls improve?? OKAY.. guess you were blinded from the start since you let these young girls debut into the idol industry when it’s already not easy. Support I’ll-it tho, I’m sure they’ll achieve things if you keep supporting them.🙊😘
@@retro_mxxn3334 there was constant harsh judgement when they were judged before they went up on stage. And what was the judges suppose to do about their age, tell them they failed because they are a minor and give them 0 points for it? Audience would have found it unfair and would send them hate for it. It's not up to the judges who gets into the show.
If Soyeon along with her mates like Aiki were the mentors for every idol grp in kpop then u can just imagine how many of our favs wouldn't have even able to debut... there are so many things that majority of the idols lack but bcuz of their looks they get immense support and hype!
I'm kinda sad so many can't sing well though. Some are straight up terrible vocalist.
Bu then again k pop wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't for the good visuals .
@@UFO339 I'm going to be straight honest here, for most Kpop groups, even the main vocalists are mostly so-so when you compare them to actual solo artists, band frontmans, and back up vocalists of other genres. Only the main vocalist of a Kpop group can somewhat even stack up, but even then only very few groups such as mamamoo can imo. Kpop is a whole package, but it's a jack of all trades. They all can dance, sing, entertain, etc, but are not the best at any one of them. Kpop definitely would not be nearly as big as it is without how pretty/handsome the members are and how flashy the concept and production is.
@@askiia8713 that's what I've been saying since a while now . But no one believes it lol.
I only like a few kpop groups. Cnblue, giddle, and akdong musician. All of which can sing live
I love this show! Btw both contestant that are competing Yoohyeon and Lee Jiwoo are now debuting in TripleS. They have a massive improvements since this show being aired. Sooyeon is a very good mentor. She is in charge for class 4, and Kim Yoohyeon is her student thats why she is getting more strict.
can u tell me the show name?
My teenage girl
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@@sonakshidalai2955My Teenage Girl
@@sonakshidalai2955teenager girl
@@sonakshidalai2955 the show from this video was "My teenage girl"
Wtf is that tittle? She’s just saying things straight and factual like any mentor would 🙄
that’s how marketing works honey. On top of that this show was 2 years ago, idk why they upload the videos now 😂
whats the shows name???@@hi_suyunn
I'm sorry but, Jiwoo did better in this mission. Given that they both lacked, it still was obvious that Jiwoo prepared more and made sure her vocal was stable while still staying on beat with the dance.
9:45 was actually painful to listen to
@@miniemac0305 I don't still understand how yoyeon got into triple s she barely can sing or dance..
It's only because of her looks or else she would be thrown out of the industry.
So true..yooyeon was voted more cause she was pretty.
Both soyeon and the other judge are absolutely valid and lool how their criticism helped the kids improve!
just to point out, the "other judge" is Ock JooHyun, former member of the legendary 1st gen idol group FINKL
more like joohyun and the other judge
if any of you don't know, jiwoo (the one with red beret) is from tripleS. she also competed in queendom puzzle this year and she has definitely improved A LOT. i'm proud of her
The two are in tripleS actually S3 and S5 😭
@@platiniuamsp1858 yeah i found that out through another comment but thanks for telling me! i only mentioned jiwoo since she's the one i'm familiar with cause i watched queendom puzzle
Thats the 3rd jiwoo I know, i kinda want the jiwoo's to collab
Soyeon just told the truth. There is a lack of such trainers/judges in the Kpop industry to be honest. I whish the Kpop industry to be more about real talent than... connections, the influence of rich families, appearance and whether someone is cute or not...
?? Judge panels on TV shows don't reflect the industry. I think trainers behind the scenes are crazy strict. The problem are the Judges who want to protect their image on national TV
Firstly soyeon needs to improve her lyricism 😢😢😂
I hate how the audience was cheering for them when they were clearly bad.
Audiences cheer for anything.. They're not the ones judging.. Most can't even differentiate between mistakes..
I personally think there's nothing wrong with the audience cheering despite their performance. As long as the audience doesn't play around to influence the voting (re: Kim Seojin and Kim Yeseo), then a cheer and clap wouldn't hurt. It's already incredibly difficult for these contestants, I imagine a completely silent crowd would become even more demotivating.
They should not encourage the girls on stage ?? Y’all are so strict, it’s a th show, you want people to feel depressed so bad 😭
Imagine you are already performing bad and the audience is silent, it will drop your self confidence to the lowest; the audience aren't the judges ,them cheering for the girls gives them a boost in confidence to show their performance
@@essiesjellybeans and ??? The public can still cheer for them girl… they is not a cheermeter on stage wtf 😭😭
Soyeon isn’t angry she’s just a true professional
I'd rather see average-looking people who have actual skill debut in a group than a group of attractive people who have no performance ability at all.
Very well said 😮😮😮
kpop groups nowadays:
Yes and they improved so they're good
thing is theyre not even 'average looking' they ARE pretty girls, the standards are just so insane when it comes to appearance. people who rather see a talentless model debut than someone who actually knows how to sing.
say this again after you saw their TripleS performances
What really gets me is the girls vocals were obviously autotuned and they STILL sounded bad
ntm on jiwoo bc i think her vocals were pretty good but u can clearly hear the auto tune on yooyeon
@@outdated7341which one was jiwoo and which one was yooyeon
@@Thetenacityofkassidy jiwoo is the one who the red baret n yooyeon is the one w the gray jacket
i swear k-pop stan’s just be making shit up 😭 they didn’t sound bad at all. you must be listening to yourself sing
그녀는 훈련생들에게 최선을 다하길 원하기 때문에 그녀는 매우 엄격합니다.
What's the name of this show ?
@@caratxstayxtheb5614 I think it's a survival show
@@caratxstayxtheb5614 My teenage girl
@@caratxstayxtheb5614my teenage girl, well at least I think
Now yooyeon and jiwoo have improved soooo much im so proud of them
Yes both of them are really shining in TripleS.
I can understand the audience trying to cheer them on so that they don’t get discouraged in the middle of their performance, that’s kind of sweet in a way. But what the judges brutally understand is that these same people could very well turn their backs on the girls after they debut, justifying it by saying, “Well it was cute when they were trainees, but now that they’ve debuted I have a ‘right’ to shit-talk about bad they are.” 😑
At this rate you only need a pretty face to be a kpop idol😅
Let's be honest they can sing actually they improved a lot since the program
as if in every other groups are only non-pretty faces who can sing perfectly (mostly it's other way round). The difference here is that this was a survival show with very good advices from the mentors who helped both girls to improve. They didn't debut in CLASS:y but already in tripleS and the best thing is, they are still improving because they want to fight for their chances to be on stage. This is willpower and thanks to Soyeon and the other mentor they got this confidence to do so.
ik this is an exaggeration but it feels so true nowadays
If Soyeon has her own company her idols are going to be the best in yhe industry for having worked up from scratch
She actually work from almost nothing with her group now!
soyeon best mentor ever, she already the heart of her group, been to shows before, she was perfect to be mentor, literally honest and make the trainee do better, the show wasnt a joke, ofc everyone want the trainees to be good, that's why soyeon is here
Soyeon has the right to be angry, because this is the state that Kpop has come to. I mean just look at recent survival shows and 4th/5th gen groups. There’s too much focus on visuals and not enough on performance skills (most importantly singing) if you’re lacking but have insane visual then that’s ok. They will vote for anyone if they’re pretty, I mean look at R U Next…
Someone hire soyeon for hybe shows
I was about to comment that 🤭. Ditto!!!
No, because Hybe is looking for the pretty faces even if they are untalented.
yes please, we need to debut real talent not not visual talent.
No. Don't need someone like Soyeon who keeps appropriating cultures. This girl is sitting here with a damn durag on for the aesthetics of it.
Yesss and Joohyun too, she was also a great judge here!
Crazy how they are the ones who ended up debutting among other talented girls. Idc if they’ve improved, the industry still hasn’t changed. There are many other girls who are way greater at vocals and dancing on beat, yet none of them has been on stage ever since the show ended, but these two who are obviously lacking managed to debut. If you watched the show, you would see that these two especially yooyeon were wayyyyyy behind the other girls. The industry hasn’t changed one bit, I’m just very disappointed.
Why would it change if pretty, talentless girls are what brings the most money in kpop ? Look at how popular Tzuyu, or Shuhua is, just two examples. I mean Shuhua has made a big progress but she still can't sing, she just got better at dancing, but there were probably a few trainees at CUBE back then that could do it better, it was better to include a pretty face that will bring in more international fans though. It won't change, ever, because it's coming from Korean culture, it's not just kpop, lol. Korea is the lookism capital of the world.
@@DoctorStrange01 all I’m saying is I’m disappointed that even now that we finally have great judges that obviously value talent more than visuals, the industry doesn’t show any hint of changes. The reality is sad and unfair to those who don’t fit the korean beauty standard.
All that matters to the industry is how much money these kpop idols could bring. Btw it is possible to debut groups without an idol with just a pretty face. For example we have groups like new jeans, mamamoo and stayc where all of them could sing.
To say that it’s ok for a group to have one pretty face means none of the other girls in the group is pretty and could attract fans and that spot could literally be given to any other talented girl. Very unfair and I could never support that. Well I never was a fan of the visual position anyway, what even is the purpose? To solely be pretty 😅
Singing is not the only thing it takes to be an idol bro...
Because these two persisted and auditioned again, got accepted by modhaus and trained there and then debuted. Have you seen Jiwoo in Queendom puzzle? She kept up very well with all the other more seasoned idols. She even got praised a lot by non fans for her vocals.
Yooyeon is also doing very well on stage with TripleS.
Sorry your favs didn't debut, but you should not take it out on two girls who did debut because they fought for what they love doing.
@@justaena1759you're fcking embarassing Jiwoo is literally one of the best vocalists in Triple S, her Sp is actually good and her dance improved so much too and she can rap so what do you want sorry you're favs couldn't debut but it is what is so don't be fcking bitter it's super annoying
The fact that it's very, very clear that Jiwoo is better than Yooyeon in this mission. Her vocal are stable, her dance are in sync, her rap and her highnotes sounds so much better than Yooyeon but she got less votes than Yooyeon.
We can see that Knets only care about face. Both of them are pretty but Yooyeon got that aegyosal.🤦♀️
EXACTLYYY,, I’m so frustrated
avarage stupid korean fanvotes
Exactly
Finally!! I was looking for this comment. Jiwoo was WAY better.
The final performance has got to be THE LONGEST PERFORMANCE I've ever watched in my life 😭 😭
Soyeon was just right debuting someone who's not ready or lacking of some skills is like puttinh someone lions den with billions of hungry lion waiting to that person to make mistake and be eaten. So happy that Yooyeon debuted as TripleS she's just lack of confidence but I'm sure this year she's already fill her lacking also I'm so envy with Yooyeon who got mentored by Soyeon
n it’s unfair to other members tht will be debuting w them cus tht means they’ll have to do stuff over n over again bc of someone’s mistake
@@outdated7341 bruh better read again
@@gravestf huh
Look at soyeon, from being an contestant to a mentor
Let’s be honest, Jiwoo did better in that performance. Yooyeon edged her out in votes because she’s prettier.
Frr
Mentor Soyeon thinking "I could be feeding my goldish and be more entertained right now...."
"I could be feeding my goldish and be more entertained right now...." ...and then watch Yuqi try to eat him ("I DO" MV ;-))
LOL i love the reference@@TomsMusicCorner
There’s a difference between anger and frustration. She was frustrated by the lack of progress being shown. Even when in the practice room they were giving a lackluster performance, instead of showing passion and enthusiasm. Regardless if you’re performing in front of your mentors or a crowd of people, that energy needs to be shown. I felt like there was no energy and the one thing I was worried about was them being in sync and yet even after multiple rewinds it showed both were, not only off beat with each other, but with the music as well. These judges are good because they see them through professional eyes, and not in the eyes of their loved ones who can be very biased, even if they show no progress, which is understandable, but gets them no where. The whole point of these shows is to get them to build their skills, find and track their weaknesses and mold them into professional entertainers who will and can continue to show progress.
I think My Teenage Girl has the most people to come out and debut BECAUSE of these critisicms because it highlighted their mistakes, sure it made them feel bad, but now look at Jiwoo and Yooyeon in tripleS. They're SO much more ironed out and the gaps Soyeon was trying to show them in MTG were filled. So proud of both of them for taking it professionally, and so happy that Soyeon is their mentor.
Soyeon was choosed as judge and did her job as an actual judge
Trainees nowadays are giving us nothing except for their visuals. People seem to be forgetting that kpop are supposed to be singers and their music. I can’t.
Mostly because older gen took longer even some for 10+ years before debuting, nowadays, shows have kids that were just playing with dirt the year before (10/12 year olds) and people who have little to no training experience - they really give them exposure too soon
I don't think this should be the title of this video it should be ✨️Mentor Soyeon & Juhyeon spitting facts✨️
Nah, this isnt anger, its a Queencard who says what she thinks without caring what others say
Im pretty sure the audience was cheering because they improved from the first time. It wasn't perfect but it is clear that they did improve a lot.
Soyeon was badly needed in r u next😭
Kshows literally need a mentor like soyeon she is honest and says fact!!
Why do ppl expect soyeon to be soft ? If these trainees aren't ready now , they can never survive in harsh kpop industry and especially the kpop stans
Also I love how straightforward she is
Sometimes beauty is not everything.
all survival shows need a judge like soyeon tbh. i have seen her before and she criticises harshly, but with constructive comments to help the contestants improve. she’s cool
Yes, and Joohyun (the other female judge in this video) was also great, I think both are really good judges for survival shows!
@@ixcookiexi5007 yes definitely!
soyeon seems like fresh air in this show
Soyeon’s personality isn’t like rude. She’s very very kind! She’s being strict so that they will be debuting in a proper way
wish we could hear the raw vocals without autotune
My ears will bleed
Now both of them debuted in the same group name triples they improved so much pls support them
Their vocals are better than some other contestants but if you want to become a kpop idol, you'll need more than that
Fact the both don't deserve to debut with this kind of performance but the auditions choose yooyeon because of her visual definitely
The amount of auto tune they used with Yuyeon for her to still sound like that…😬
She is a coach.
She has to be real with them for them to understand where it went wrong so they can become better and correct their errors. ❤ To me,she is the kindest here
And it’s not trying to intimidate or anything like that.
Trust me,I’ve been coaching before and it is hard too keep a cold face with harsh truth because you feel somehow bad to be that real with them but you know you have to for their good.
As an ex kpop fan. Soyeon keeps my hope alive to see some actual talent in K-pop.
I’m not a gidle fan or follow someone much but goddamn she is the first judge where I’m like blown away by not only actually critiquing and not being mean but being real af like sometimes these performances and the idols skills are just so bad and the only way to get them to step it the fuck up is to be told THAT SHIT SUCKS >< I think anyways 🤷🏽♀️ kinda hard though with a duo but that’s why you should definitely step it up better cuz it’s just you two.
She wasn't angry, even when I was watching the episodes about a year or two ago, it was common sense that she was just being blunt and telling them what they needed to hear
okay im going off topic but Soyeon eyes are so captivating>>>>
this is how I know I could never do anything like this, I was listening like "Oh that sounds good! Wait why are they mad-"😭
I thought that too but then i heard that smt is wrong with their vocals and i was right: they're heavily autotuned. But I still think that I'm tone deaf lmao
i wish they would leave out the autotune so it makes it easier to understand why the judges are so mad. in some parts they actually sounded like robots meaning they must have been reeeeaaally out of pitch. still you can hear that neither of them have any power behind their vocals whatsoever making their high notes sound really weak and airy. jiwoo was a little bit better than yooyeon with this but still not great
Fr that would make me so anxious especially cause I have yk stage fright
I’m glad to see jiwoo and yooyeon’s improvement since this show they sound a lot better and if you look at this performance and compare it to like jiwoo’s queendom puzzle performances she sounds really good now and so does yooyeon great job on improving triple s fighting ❤
Audience was cheering only cause they are pretty. I guess the standard for kpop girl idols is getting low. Singing, rapping and even the dancing was off. They were practicing the performance but they didn't improve that much...how is that possible? Everybody gets better with practise but somehow this two can't. I can see that they were getting away with everything cause they are pretty but it's time to wake up if you wanna be kpop idol.
Shld prob check them out again now that they’ve actually debuted after training more yeah they are obv the best but they’ve improved tremendously since this competition which was like 1-2 years ago both are in the same grp now and one has even went on to compete in queendom puzzle with another gro member
They lacked energy or rather enthusiasm. If they actually gave us an energetic performance, I could overlook the so-so vocals and dance mistakes. Jiwoo's energy started out good, but as the song went on, it just puttered out. Its whatever now since both have debuted but generally, what bothers me most about trainees is when they lack enthusiasm.
despite the work hard from all trainees, i still feel bad to Class 3's Mentor, none of her students winning in the end
As a judge for national competitions, there’s nothing more frustrating than you trying to correct a student flaws and on the day of their competition they are still bad if not worse than the previous times you’ve been trying to correct their flawed actions. The taller girl should have debuted vs the other smaller girl. She clearly got votes because she’s cuter which is extremely unfair because she was the most offbeat and off pitch during evaluations and the final performance. I’m not surprised that in Korea it’s more of a beauty contest than an actual talent contest.
They've improved so much now. Yooyeon and Jiwoo are now members of TripleS
Omg thx for the info
Both Soyeon and Joohyun were great mentors and judges, as seen in this video! They need to be strict so that the trainees improve
They are really great! Soyeon is the best leader
She wasn't even Angry she was being Iconic
Soyeon never says anything that's unnecessary or just straight mean with no real criticism. She was right. This performance lacked greatly. I think people have a hard time looking at things objectively in situations like this because we become so attached to their personalities but if a video of this performance has been shared without anyone knowing who they were they would have been harshly attacked by the public. By performing here and getting advice from professionals while also building a fan base they can really grow to become better artists, so yes it's sad when your faves don't make it but it's often the best for everyone and I doubt it will be the last time you see them, doesn't jisoo debut and compete on kingdom puzzle with a groupmate? It can work out in the end. Rooting for all hardworking rookies, I hope you receive the harsh criticism before it's too late and you're able to grow and debut!
Petition for Soyeon to be on Ru next
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THIS IS HOW SWF2 JUDGES SHOULD BE LOL HAHAHAHA
Why?
I still don’t get how yooyeon could choose this song when she’s clearly unable to sing it
Soyeon is honestly the best mentor she wants them to be the best they can be and she’s honest with what she says
Yooyeon adores Soyeon, she recently said on live she always carries around a pola she took with her and that it's her lucky charm🥺
love Jeon Soyeon 💖💖💖💖💖💖
Soyeon says things in a straight up way but she says the truth.
the audience and especially the Korean fans...should understand that being an artist is not just about having a pretty face...
Soyeon should've taken over the R U Next program. I don't care if 2nd gen idols were on it (I'm a 2nd gen stan myself), Soyeon does the judging job better.
Soyeon is a great judge
"we actually have to perform well" no shit.
Tbh I thought Jiwoo was the better performer, her vocals were more stable and she had a lot more confidence
10:29 I'm sorry but she sounds very obviously auto tuned what the heck lmao
this is what a good judge looks like. they tell the truth
I look how the entire crowd turns silent as if they are being scolded by their strict teacher
i am sorry but how did yooyeon receive more votes? jiwoo was way more advanced in terms of vocals and dancing considering the fact that both the girls were lacking.. i get that yooyeon fits the idol beauty image or whatever more but do people just not care about a good performance anymore?
Soyeon knows what she is doing and talking about. Queen
if soyeon were my mentor, id cry but I would significantly improve. To be a mentor doesn't mean you make your mentee happy, you're supposed to tell them whats wrong.
Soyeon really does need to be a judge more.
that’s just a mentor mentoring as she should❤
she was here for a reason,and she fulfilled her exact reason to be here
They’re so lucky because this is how judges lead you to do better and better performance..
I'm sorry but if I'm gonna be brutally honest I never understood why Yuyeon is so popular. Like, she's pretty and all but she never stood out to me vocally or in any of the dances. She's just... there... which is why I'm so dumbfounded as to why she's so popular among the audiences.
because she was charismatic, pretty and had a "improvement" arc, everytime somebody has a improvement arc in a survival show, they'll be popular, its a rule atp
Honestly as judges, I think seeing potential and improvement is important. They told these underaged girls to their face LIVE that the performance was really bad. LMAO I saw them before they actually went out to perform and be judged. To be frank, they were really bad during practice and got criticized bad but with that being said they improved and took those comments from the judges beforehand to consideration. I think their overall performance was not "really bad' it was actually "just good/okay". They improved and sounded quite better than I thought considering what I saw during practice.
I swear everyone wants to be an idol but forget that they actually need talent not just a pretty face
Soyeon is amazing❤❤❤
If i ever have to have a persona as a judge id pick soyeons,shes a rlly good judge she has the guts to show them that she doesn't like their performance....shes a rlly good judge shes just doing her job 😅😅
She just being honest so they won't repeat the same mistakes again..
Is it weird that I presume that K pop trainees who are also younger than me are supposed to be more talented than I am? The fact that even I could perform better and these random girls get to debut is mindblowing…
It's almost like they're making it a point to not be in sync and half assing the moves 😂 Whew
Im not planning on being an idol (im American and live in America-) but I would still absolutely LOVE to have these judges and Soyeon as a mentor.. they actually care and know what corrections to give and sure, it would be tough, but I believe it would help immensely if I were to be one
Damn this shit was so long ago why tf they posting this now lol both trainees have alr debuted in the same grp and will be having a cmb with their subunit tripleS evolution in October hope y’all can support them both
Also really could have chosen a diff title
They are from tripleS?
@@Dolliewonnieyeah both of them were revealed as a tripleS member months after the show ended and yooyeon both have alr debuted officially both of them are coming back with a subunit debut with other members in October hope y’all can support them they’ve improved so much
@@Dolliewonniejiwoo was also recently on queendom puzzle a Mnet survival show
@@retricallltann6243 Yooyeon also said she always carries with her a photography she took with Soyeon for good luck. Seems Soyeon had the impact on her she was after: making her better and inspire her. Also, who knows: if Soyeon had not picked her after being eliminated during the entrance trials to give her one more chance, she might not even have a career right now.
People nowadays be calling strict mentors angry because they don't act like crazy fools in love when they see obviously poor or sometimes sh*tty performances wth