I own a mk6 gti with the cczb engine 1st registered 25th June 2010. I did this check today & found it to be the faulty tensioner, getting it changed in a couple of days at the cost of £390. mine has just done 70k miles & I've had no problem so far but changing it for piece of mind. Thanks for putting this video on, it really helped.
Mine went at 60k miles after noisy startups for a year or so. Cold start in morning fired and engine cut out knew exactly what happened. Currently at workshop waiting for damage report. Sucks as was big VW fan and lived the ride. Thnks for video Humblemechanic #sadlyvwg6fan
Am I correct in understanding that the failure mode for the early tensioner is that the band covering that ratchet pawl comes off? If so, wouldn't putting a metal band tie wrap around the tensioner prevent this from happening? It could be a relatively simple fix, especially if it could be done through the inspection hole. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. -Bill
@@hulk6164 Not going to happen with the cover on the engine, not enough room. Just finished looking at an 09 2.0 TSI CCTA tensioner on the car, not a fun job with the turbo pipe & oil down side of the engine! If you had the cover off, sure, but why not just go ahead & put on a revised tensioner?
I like the design of the timing chain tensioner on the R53 MINI Cooper S. You unscrew a bolt, and out comes the tensioner (looks like a battery). You pop the new one in, and screw back the cap/bolt. Voila!
It was all the little issues like this one that finally convinced me to sell my 2010 VW EOS. Sold the car last month for $8,000 with just over 89k miles. Then I put the cheap and reliable '91 Mazda Miata back on the road. Your videos did help me a lot with diagnosing and completing repairs for many of the other issues. As well as pointing out some things that VW ended up covering like the replacement intake manifold. Thanks for that.
I own a 2010 Passat Wagon w/106K...just replaced water pump, injectors under warranty, a coil under warranty, and I have a valve cover gasket leak for which the dealer is suggesting I pony up $2000 to fix (replacing serpentine belt etc.) now I learn about this tensioner issue. Makes me wish I still had my 1990 Miata that I sold with 235K. Spent more on the VW water pump replacement than I ever put in TOTAL on the Miata.
Hey, my lower timing chain cover is so rusty that it needs replacement before an oil leak occurs.. The edges are thick and cakey. The engine block next to it (not the Aluminium part but the dark part) is also very rusty. How would you recommend to treat it so that the rust problem is contained? Brush it with a brass wire brush? Wash salt residues off? Use some kind of rust remover or converter? Thanks..
Hey man do I need to replace the timing chain tensioner and chain only? A bunch of quotes I am getting are saying to change the "cam bridge, balance shaft chain, multiple tensioners" etc. PLEASE HELP!
My 2012 Jetta 2.0 tsi build date July 2012,engine build date jun 2012 has new version tensioner but my mechanic didn’t put new tension plug in ,the old one looked like new
Charles is my 2013 GTI Feb 2013 build likely to have the new or old style tensioner? I've got a few more years of power-train warranty left. Should I have this checked now or hold off & let the warranty cover me if things go pear shaped? Thanks enjoy your shows I've learned a lot.
is it possible to look up the VIN number on a 2012 CC 2.0t to determine what timing chain tensioner is installed or still a crap shoot? also, do you think a VW dealership would gladly check it for me so they wont have to replace the engine in case it does fail while under warranty? thank you and i appreciate all of the hard work and time that you put into these videos! i really appreciate it!
Great video as always. I cant find any information on when to change the timing chain on my 2012 gti CCTA, do you know? Also, what else would you change when doing that job?
+MelodicMurder There is not a service interval. At this point I think if you have the older style tensioner, like I show in the video, it's time for a replacement. There is a link in the description to ShopDAP. They have a kit with all the stuff you need.
+HumbleMechanic Thanks for getting back to me. I'll have to put that on my list to do and that diy kit from DAP looks awesome. Do you think you can make a how to video for the kit? That would rock. I also want to do an oil catch can and get a vag com. I must admit i do love my CCTA especially after i had it tuned by APR. It makes me want to hit 300k miles with this car :)
Old style tensioner has a wide "bluish" metal band around the component that fails. Newer revision has a wire spring clip around the plunger like this... www.aliexpress.com/store/product/OEM-Volkswagen-Timing-Chains-Tensioner-For-VW-Beetle-Tiguan-Jetta-Passat-B6-GTI-Passat-CC-Eos/1202321_32465781878.html
Does taking on the inspection cap mean you have to then replace that with a new inspection cap? Or can you put the old cap back on if you're careful enough? Because for the life of me I cannot find where to buy those things anywhere remotely close to where I live
Not sure that the main guy here will see this question but I figure I would ask. I did the timing on my 2012 CC and now getting a code the tensioner was missing that little clip in there was wondering if anyone has run into that before? Would that cause a error code?
Question on that.. I still have a bit of warranty time left - will VW only cover if it actually fails or can this get checked and fixed before blowing the motor?
I followed him counting and I changed tensor but he excels a lot and I think that is the reason not much much and when I turn engine crankshaft the chain jumps I have that problem
Hello friend, I'll be brief, I'm repairing a TFSI engine and I get with a problem, the tensioner comes out all the tensioner, and when I turn the crankshaft, the chain jumps on the cam, you could help me with that problem that I have.
sir some people say to replace the oil pump chain and it's tensioner as well, but is it really needed cause have heard no issues with it ? and is the timing cover replacement necessary after changing the timing chains and tensioner or the old one can do ? Thanks in advance
Replace the cover (if you bent it while prying it off) to be sure you don't get oil leaks. The other parts should be replaced around 150,000mi as a regular maintenance item since as you said, no issues.
I had the water pump replaced just after I bout the CC. So, My mechanic told me that one of the tensioners looked to be a problem in the future, so I know I have to replace these asap, Btw VW has 123000 miles. The timing chain is all good. I have been driving very little so as to not have a catastrophic engine failure. Local VW dealer quoted me ...... 1500.00 bucks to do chain and tensioners. Whats your recomendation?
This timing chain tensioner issue seems to be widespread on VAG TSI engines of a certain age. Does the same process apply to the 1.4 TSI engines? (asking regarding an Octavia engine, but they seem to be functionally identical in this respect)
Late answer, but yes, I've changed the tensioner, including both chain, guard rails, the cam gear for the exhaust side and some different seals. This was an insurance job we had. Complaints of noise and low driveability, had some engine codes about cam timings were off and such. I don't know if the tensioner is the same as the US, but the possible outcomes pretty much looks the same.
My Mk6 is driving me insane, I changed the chain and got all the timing set as close as I possibly could within the measurements. And it gave me codes p0011 p0016 and p052a without even trying the first start. It cranks and stumbles but no start, and when I took the cap off the cams where still in a good spot, but the chain marks did not line up where they should.
Hi ihave a golf mk6 2012 1.2 TSI, would you recommend to change the Timing Chain Tensioner on it? I do not think it looks the same as in your video on the 1.2 tsi? it is only driven 30000km. Great video btw! :)
I love my CC, but with 131k miles, im worried about someday, the engine going. My question is, what would then be a more reliable junkyard engine swap, i mean, whats a direct bolt in replacement engine that WON'T have these problems? I dont ever want to get rid of this car, even if its engine replacement is less powerful....
Charles, quick question. My '10 CC just came back from a $4809 timing chain failure (covered by my extended warranty ). The note that confused me was this: "FOUND SCREEN IN CAMSHAFT SUPPORT MISSING. INTAKE CAMSHAFT REPLACED". Is this the next popular failure, or is this a part of the TCT failure? Oh, and I had 82 miles left on my warranty. :D
@@HumbleMechanic - Is that part of the warranty from VW? They were going to pro-rate my repair, but I'd purchased a personal warranty. So, I got away with deductible only.
Hiya! Loved your videos ever since I stumbled upon them along with @EngineeringExplained! I ask this only cause i want to learn more about what's in my car haha! its a 1.4 TSI on a volkswagen jetta. Cheers!
Charles: Does mileage make any difference in the decision of when to have this done? My 2009 Audi TT (CCTA engine) has about 34,000 on the odometer, and I'm trying to get a sense of whether this is a do "ASAP" or "in another 10k - 20k. Thanks.
if the motor is in a quattro (a4) is it easy to check or do you have to take the whole front end off like in my 2.7L bi-turbo quattro (a6)...... just to get to that area...
hey! i just bought a Audi A4 b8 1.8 tfsi 2008/9 and it sounds like a diesel when its cold start, and im afraid my TCT is old ;/ if its possible can you show how the new one look like? :) many thanks from Denmark!
+HumbleMechanic thanks for the quick reply!!! I love your channel but I don't see anything that regards my 2012 golf R. Is there anything that I should be considered with as far as failures? or prevented maintenance? car is stock and is coming up on 50,000 miles.
Hi My car (golf 1.4 tsi mk5 66000 miles) is showing error p3008. Initially the error code p000A appeared. I changed camshaft sensor then code p3008 came up. Most of the people are saying that timing chain needs to replace. It was fine , I just changed water pump because it was leaking, and new drive belts, with engine oil service , dsg service & spark plugs. After all this work when I started my car a code p000A appeared, then changed camshaft sensor, camshaft adjuster valve, after 5 minutes a new code p3008 came up, car starts but idle rough. When press acceleration it vibrates very heavily. What do you think might be the problem?
something i always wonder if the cars(jetta and up) will ever have a "asset manifest" database in one of the control units, loaded at the factory that shows an exact and TOTAL part list installed, so you don't need anything else than a VCDS or scantool to check which part numbers you have installed... granted, when replacing a part the dealer/shop would need to update that table/database with the new value(or DIYers). A step further would be extending the service interval counter for other known wear parts with a predefined interval, that way the MFD reads "TB service interval soon" or "replace TB" then the dealer already knows the parts needed or which one it had without even opening the hood. maybe it's a pipe dream but i find it silly that i can't find a manifest of the parts of my car publicly available even decoding the VIN and 3 letter matrix of options.
+Guillermo Lovato That would require a level of consistency and management that VW (or many other manufacturers) simply do not have. You only have to be a user of VW's ETKA parts database over time to see inconsistencies on when X model of manufacture is supposed to have Y revision of parts. They often will substitute a part with a different part number on one production run to the next - probably because they have run out of the one that's supposed to be in there. I have seen this personally on my car with O2 sensors & MAP sensors. The actual O2 sensor on my 2010 1.4TSI is not listed as the correct part at any point for my engine throughout the history of it, but its an acceptable substitute.
blower i have used ETKA briefly in the past, and also ELSAweb(until VW lawyered them to close the site regretfuly as that info should be publicly available) and yes they're a pain to use!. specially when you have a part where the last letter changes the car it goes to!, for example, 038128063G / L is for my car, byt J/Q are for the suran(iirc) and M depending on where i check says compatible but on other places it says it's not and the last revision of the part is L (elsa shows L as last compatbiel revision)!, sheer crazyness!
Is it necessary to change the chain as well as de tensioner? Or changing the tensioner is enough to avoid problems? I have a Jetta 2.0 TSI 2012 DSG.. Many thks.
Im having issue with my gti mk5 tsi engine when i wanna start it it take 4 ever before it start i think is the timing i already change cam sensor and still have code smh
Thank you. You mentioned that they are on the 4th revision on these I do believe. And it is the one with the part number with the "k"? What if the original owner had a newer one instead of the original from the factory. Let's say the second or third revision. . Are they any Better than the first/original?
hey man just got a 2006 a4 2.0t, definitely some clicking to the motor and it's more than likely this. I just picked up the car and is being worked on by Audi as of now. I have a warranty on the car and was wondering if you'd think they would at least look at it and tell me if it needs replacing. what do you think?
I took my 2013 GTI CBFA to the VW dealer and asked about the chain tensioner as it had never been done before. (It's a 9/2012 build date) they said that chain tensioners failing are rare and do not recommend I do it. They said I need to have an oil screen replaced every 50,000 miles and I'll be fine. Please let me know if this is correct. Thank you.
ZNormT6 Hi. I also have 2013 GTI Autobahn ( Registration) 09/18/2012 ( build date). I’m curious if you had the dealer mechanic do a visual check if the revise version was installed?
+Nicholas Davis I don't. I am not sure that I am going to do that video. I am VERY concerned about people not doing that job right and damaging their engine. If I do that video, it will probably be a private video that I distribute by request, or a pay video. I don't really want someone that is not qualified to try and replace that part.
Great video thanks! I have already replaced my tensioner it wasnt bad if you get all necessary tool. Took me around 7 hours but i did take my time with it. Isn't it save to assume that pretty much anything made before 2013 has old tensioner? 2013 is the year to check as you might or might not have old tensioner.
Instead of the mirror, my old eyes prefer a USB inspection camera. It has light on the tip, bendable wire to go where you want it, and it hooks up to a phone. under $20 on amazon and the best thing since sliced bread for jobs like this
I checked the tensioner on the gti I will be buying but I could not get it back on fully. I removed the fender liner and boost pipe to get more room but I still couldn't even if I put all my weight to it and lubricate it with fresh oil. Has anyone else struggled with reinstalling? What's the trick of getting it back on?
I haven't done one. I am nervous to do that video. It is not a hard job, but if you do any of it wrong , you are doing big time engine damage. Maybe at some point I will.
I typed a comment that disappeared while still commenting. Bummer! I own a 2010 VW Passat Komfort - 4 door with a 2.0 TSI Engine & only 70,000 miles on it. I saw a comment which I can't find again; I want to know if this statement is correct, "Every 2.0 TSI Engine manufactured before 2012 was fitted with a defective Timing Chain Tensioner". This is important! Without hardly any warning the light came on. I drove less than 1 mile to my daughter's, & the car died - had to tow it in ( sounded like ball bearings in a dryer when I tried to start it again.). 1. Clear gunk from intake valves, 2. Reseal Cylinder Cover, 3. Replace Lower Timing Chain Tensioner, 4. Replace Rear Main Seal, 5. Replace Manifold (It was still in Warranty, but I had to pay for cleaning.) = $3,259.26! I called VW who, after negotiating, said VW would pay for 80%. The Dealership found a bad Tie Rod End which they would replace for free. This makes me owing around $450.00. If the Timing Chain Tensioner had been defective when fitted on the car, VW should pay for all of it. I can't pay that much money! Thanks for answering. M. Johnson in Tennessee.
I own a seat Leon with the 2.0 tsi engine, I have engine management light on. cam/ crank sensor incorrect corrolation poo16 code. engine starts up and runs fine just takes a few seconds turning over. no knocking or strange sounds to indicate a slack chain. is this related to timing chain tensioner failing or could this be a stretched chain or tensioners maxed out? I find it hard to believe a timing chain fault on a engine with only 60k miles although watching the videos it seems pretty common. do you have a video on timing these engines up?
how can you tell if the cams are damaged if the tensioner failed. I'm looking into purchasing a kit from DAP and I don't want to do all the work only to find I have damaged cams.
the dealer just had my intake manifold replaced and they found both of my rear main seal and upper timing chain cover are leaking. I know the main seal is impossible for me, but is there a video about the upper time chain cover available? Or, is it another mission impossible?
Hi there I have a 2009 Audi A4 2 litre turbo TSI is giving me the code number p0016 and I change the timing Chan and I change a tensioner I change the guides giving me Sam code undertale runs ruff I when pull out the intake camshaft actuator sensor that time it will run smooth why does. That please can you let me know what I have to do
I’m wondering about the serpentine belt tensioner. I have a 2010 Passat 2.0t tsi. How to remove the tensioner. It looks like it has just one bolt... help me out.
Is there any way to check the chain tension without taking the entire timing chain plate off? I've got a strange whirring noise, engine rpm related, coming from my car and I'm wonder if the tensioner is failing.
+Clifford Gindulis not mechanically. But you can check t electronically with a scan tool. I have had water pumps make weird noises like that. Take the coolant cap off when it's making the noise and see if it changes.
+HumbleMechanic I have a VAG-COM and didn't realize that it would show me that! I Google'd it and it seems to be engine control, groups 91, 92, & 93. Does that sound right for B8 A4 2.0t? I will definitely try your WC cap trick. I already know I've got an issue in that neighborhood since the car will not come up to normal operating temp. I really don't want to have to replace timing chains, especially since the car only has 70k on it.
Great info on how to check but would be much better if you showed what we are actually looking for to see if it's the old or updated tensioner.
seriously, useless video
Seriously
Great video. I don't have one of those engines but showing the part on the bench and in the car is a great illustration.
I own a mk6 gti with the cczb engine 1st registered 25th June 2010. I did this check today & found it to be the faulty tensioner, getting it changed in a couple of days at the cost of £390. mine has just done 70k miles & I've had no problem so far but changing it for piece of mind. Thanks for putting this video on, it really helped.
awesome glad to help
Mine went at 60k miles after noisy startups for a year or so. Cold start in morning fired and engine cut out knew exactly what happened. Currently at workshop waiting for damage report. Sucks as was big VW fan and lived the ride. Thnks for video Humblemechanic #sadlyvwg6fan
@@1petrofski what was the damage?
I don't work on VW's so what goes wrong with the old style or why is it necessary to have to inspect and change it?
They tend to come apart and cause the timing chain to lose tension. That generally makes for bent valves
+HumbleMechanic The older CBR F4i bikes do the same thing, but they're super noisy first.... fortunately.
@@HumbleMechanic didn't vw make a recall on these tensioners and replace them for customers?
@@rmetanes iguess didnt, they dont like customers just their money
Instead of struggling with the inspection mirror I used a cheap scope cam with LED lights hooked to my Android and was quite effective.
+Massive Loop with how cheap and good scopes are today that's a great idea
What are we supposed to look for on the tensioner?@@HumbleMechanic
Am I correct in understanding that the failure mode for the early tensioner is that the band covering that ratchet pawl comes off? If so, wouldn't putting a metal band tie wrap around the tensioner prevent this from happening? It could be a relatively simple fix, especially if it could be done through the inspection hole. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. -Bill
I would also like an answer to this
@@hulk6164 Not going to happen with the cover on the engine, not enough room. Just finished looking at an 09 2.0 TSI CCTA tensioner on the car, not a fun job with the turbo pipe & oil down side of the engine!
If you had the cover off, sure, but why not just go ahead & put on a revised tensioner?
I like the design of the timing chain tensioner on the R53 MINI Cooper S. You unscrew a bolt, and out comes the tensioner (looks like a battery). You pop the new one in, and screw back the cap/bolt. Voila!
It was all the little issues like this one that finally convinced me to sell my 2010 VW EOS. Sold the car last month for $8,000 with just over 89k miles. Then I put the cheap and reliable '91 Mazda Miata back on the road.
Your videos did help me a lot with diagnosing and completing repairs for many of the other issues. As well as pointing out some things that VW ended up covering like the replacement intake manifold.
Thanks for that.
I own a 2010 Passat Wagon w/106K...just replaced water pump, injectors under warranty, a coil under warranty, and I have a valve cover gasket leak for which the dealer is suggesting I pony up $2000 to fix (replacing serpentine belt etc.) now I learn about this tensioner issue. Makes me wish I still had my 1990 Miata that I sold with 235K. Spent more on the VW water pump replacement than I ever put in TOTAL on the Miata.
Hey, my lower timing chain cover is so rusty that it needs replacement before an oil leak occurs.. The edges are thick and cakey. The engine block next to it (not the Aluminium part but the dark part) is also very rusty. How would you recommend to treat it so that the rust problem is contained? Brush it with a brass wire brush? Wash salt residues off? Use some kind of rust remover or converter? Thanks..
Thank you so much for following up on this, sir.
+davy You are welcome. Glad to help.
Hey man do I need to replace the timing chain tensioner and chain only? A bunch of quotes I am getting are saying to change the "cam bridge, balance shaft chain, multiple tensioners" etc. PLEASE HELP!
From which year VW installed New version of the tensioner on 2.0 TSI?
July 2014
Great video. Do you know the part no. for the inspection hole plug?
hey i could really use some advice, just a broke college student tryna fix my method of getting to work. Thanks for the helpful videos!
What year model TS I have the tensioner issue
Just checked out the link for the tensioner repair kit from DAP, not nearly as pricey as I thought it would be.
My 2012 Jetta 2.0 tsi build date July 2012,engine build date jun 2012 has new version tensioner but my mechanic didn’t put new tension plug in ,the old one looked like new
Charles is my 2013 GTI Feb 2013 build likely to have the new or old style tensioner? I've got a few more years of power-train warranty left. Should I have this checked now or hold off & let the warranty cover me if things go pear shaped? Thanks enjoy your shows I've learned a lot.
excellent application for one of the cheap usb inspection cameras from ebay, mirrors are so 1970's
What does old 1 look like vs new model?
I don't have a VW yet but this is interesting. I do hope to acquire a classic bug someday.
+Nacho TV AWESOME! That is on my list too. Or a type 3
is it possible to look up the VIN number on a 2012 CC 2.0t to determine what timing chain tensioner is installed or still a crap shoot? also, do you think a VW dealership would gladly check it for me so they wont have to replace the engine in case it does fail while under warranty? thank you and i appreciate all of the hard work and time that you put into these videos! i really appreciate it!
+Matthew Lindsey something like that will not show up on a VIN check. Only way to be 100% sure is to inspect the tensioner
Great video as always. I cant find any information on when to change the timing chain on my 2012 gti CCTA, do you know? Also, what else would you change when doing that job?
+MelodicMurder There is not a service interval. At this point I think if you have the older style tensioner, like I show in the video, it's time for a replacement.
There is a link in the description to ShopDAP. They have a kit with all the stuff you need.
+HumbleMechanic Thanks for getting back to me. I'll have to put that on my list to do and that diy kit from DAP looks awesome. Do you think you can make a how to video for the kit? That would rock. I also want to do an oil catch can and get a vag com. I must admit i do love my CCTA especially after i had it tuned by APR. It makes me want to hit 300k miles with this car :)
Hi, when I'm going to check this tensioner I use my cellphone to take a photo of It!
What am I looking for here? I may have missed it because I skipped around but how can I tell wether it's an old or new style tensioner?
Old style tensioner has a wide "bluish" metal band around the component that fails. Newer revision has a wire spring clip around the plunger like this... www.aliexpress.com/store/product/OEM-Volkswagen-Timing-Chains-Tensioner-For-VW-Beetle-Tiguan-Jetta-Passat-B6-GTI-Passat-CC-Eos/1202321_32465781878.html
Here's a pic that shows the original version and the revision... flic.kr/p/CJgfb3
You bet!
do not skip around then! Thia is an awesome video, but you should watch it not expect others to explain it to you
I know this is super old, but do you have the part number of that tensioner viewport cover?
Would it be possible for you to make a video about how to replace crankshaft seal on the lower timing chain cover?
Does taking on the inspection cap mean you have to then replace that with a new inspection cap? Or can you put the old cap back on if you're careful enough? Because for the life of me I cannot find where to buy those things anywhere remotely close to where I live
Not sure that the main guy here will see this question but I figure I would ask. I did the timing on my 2012 CC and now getting a code the tensioner was missing that little clip in there was wondering if anyone has run into that before? Would that cause a error code?
So do I haaaaave to replace the cover and the little plug if I take off the plug to check?
Very well made video showing how to look, and I know you have another video on the subject, but specifics of what to look for would be nice =)
If it’s the old style it needs to be replaced. I feel like we covered that pretty well.
@@HumbleMechanic is any videos on how to replace the tensioner??? Thank you
@@HumbleMechanic So thats what an old one looks like. Whatd the new one look like? What differentiates the two?
yes but what is the difference between the old and the new? How can we tell?
@@HumbleMechanic
Question on that.. I still have a bit of warranty time left - will VW only cover if it actually fails or can this get checked and fixed before blowing the motor?
+spinnetti They will only cover it if it is failed, or failing. They may cover it if the tensioner is making noise.....
Thanks for the reply...
I followed him counting and I changed tensor but he excels a lot and I think that is the reason not much much and when I turn engine crankshaft the chain jumps I have that problem
Hello friend, I'll be brief, I'm repairing a TFSI engine and I get with a problem, the tensioner comes out all the tensioner, and when I turn the crankshaft, the chain jumps on the cam, you could help me with that problem that I have.
Best place for a tensioner kit that has everything ? CPLA
Thank you
sir some people say to replace the oil pump chain and it's tensioner as well, but is it really needed cause have heard no issues with it ?
and is the timing cover replacement necessary after changing the timing chains and tensioner or the old one can do ?
Thanks in advance
Replace the cover (if you bent it while prying it off) to be sure you don't get oil leaks.
The other parts should be replaced around 150,000mi as a regular maintenance item since as you said, no issues.
I have a 2014 Tiguan. Am i safe? I know checking is the 100% way of making sure but still, generally?
Would this be applicable for a 1.8TSI CDAA motor also? I believe the engine is quite similar to a 2.0TSI.
Hey man, just stumbled on your comment 8 years later trying to figure out the same question. Did you manage to find an answer to this?
DUDE! where did you get that work mat?!
I had the water pump replaced just after I bout the CC. So, My mechanic told me that one of the tensioners looked to be a problem in the future, so I know I have to replace these asap, Btw VW has 123000 miles. The timing chain is all good. I have been driving very little so as to not have a catastrophic engine failure.
Local VW dealer quoted me ...... 1500.00 bucks to do chain and tensioners.
Whats your recomendation?
If ur 2010 2.0 tsi sounds like a diesel running,,,not all the time but sometimes it's loud I herd it's because of the tensioner,is that a possibility
This timing chain tensioner issue seems to be widespread on VAG TSI engines of a certain age. Does the same process apply to the 1.4 TSI engines? (asking regarding an Octavia engine, but they seem to be functionally identical in this respect)
Late answer, but yes, I've changed the tensioner, including both chain, guard rails, the cam gear for the exhaust side and some different seals. This was an insurance job we had. Complaints of noise and low driveability, had some engine codes about cam timings were off and such. I don't know if the tensioner is the same as the US, but the possible outcomes pretty much looks the same.
My Mk6 is driving me insane, I changed the chain and got all the timing set as close as I possibly could within the measurements. And it gave me codes p0011 p0016 and p052a without even trying the first start. It cranks and stumbles but no start, and when I took the cap off the cams where still in a good spot, but the chain marks did not line up where they should.
Did you figure it out?
Hi ihave a golf mk6 2012 1.2 TSI, would you recommend to change the Timing Chain Tensioner on it? I do not think it looks the same as in your video on the 1.2 tsi? it is only driven 30000km. Great video btw! :)
How we estimate the longueth of the tensionner . At wich level we must change it
I love my CC, but with 131k miles, im worried about someday, the engine going. My question is, what would then be a more reliable junkyard engine swap, i mean, whats a direct bolt in replacement engine that WON'T have these problems? I dont ever want to get rid of this car, even if its engine replacement is less powerful....
Best bet is making all maintenance updates before installing the same engine
Charles, quick question. My '10 CC just came back from a $4809 timing chain failure (covered by my extended warranty ). The note that confused me was this: "FOUND SCREEN IN CAMSHAFT SUPPORT MISSING. INTAKE CAMSHAFT REPLACED". Is this the next popular failure, or is this a part of the TCT failure? Oh, and I had 82 miles left on my warranty. :D
Yep very popular failure. The screen comes out and gets lodged in the oil galley. That blocks oil to the back side of the intake came
Cam
@@HumbleMechanic - Is that part of the warranty from VW? They were going to pro-rate my repair, but I'd purchased a personal warranty. So, I got away with deductible only.
how do you open that rubber cover, my tool even break in half the cover still intact
Usually warm engine helps. But I pop them off carefully with a screwdriver
could you do a bunch of videos on the 1.4 tsi?
I can try. We haven't seen many issues with the 1.4 yet. But there is time LOL
Hiya! Loved your videos ever since I stumbled upon them along with @EngineeringExplained! I ask this only cause i want to learn more about what's in my car haha! its a 1.4 TSI on a volkswagen jetta. Cheers!
really? i have seen alot 1.4 tsi`s with bend valves....
Charles: Does mileage make any difference in the decision of when to have this done? My 2009 Audi TT (CCTA engine) has about 34,000 on the odometer, and I'm trying to get a sense of whether this is a do "ASAP" or "in another 10k - 20k. Thanks.
if the motor is in a quattro (a4) is it easy to check or do you have to take the whole front end off like in my 2.7L bi-turbo quattro (a6)...... just to get to that area...
Would this be applicable on a 2009 Skoda superb 18 tsi
Did you ever find this out? I have a 2010 1.8 Tsi
i HAVE A 2006 gLI with the knocking on the top end is there a video you have about it ?
hey! i just bought a Audi A4 b8 1.8 tfsi 2008/9 and it sounds like a diesel when its cold start, and im afraid my TCT is old ;/ if its possible can you show how the new one look like? :) many thanks from Denmark!
does the 2012 US golf R how the old or revised timing chain tensioner??
+kyle strong no. That engine is belt driven. It's a modified version of the BPY engine
+HumbleMechanic so I'm good?!?!
+kyle strong you will just have to replace the timing belt and related parts when it's due. I forget the interval that one is due.
+HumbleMechanic thanks for the quick reply!!! I love your channel but I don't see anything that regards my 2012 golf R. Is there anything that I should be considered with as far as failures? or prevented maintenance? car is stock and is coming up on 50,000 miles.
Hi
My car (golf 1.4 tsi mk5 66000 miles) is showing error p3008. Initially the error code p000A appeared. I changed camshaft sensor then code p3008 came up. Most of the people are saying that timing chain needs to replace. It was fine , I just changed water pump because it was leaking, and new drive belts, with engine oil service , dsg service & spark plugs. After all this work when I started my car a code p000A appeared, then changed camshaft sensor, camshaft adjuster valve, after 5 minutes a new code p3008 came up, car starts but idle rough. When press acceleration it vibrates very heavily. What do you think might be the problem?
something i always wonder if the cars(jetta and up) will ever have a "asset manifest" database in one of the control units, loaded at the factory that shows an exact and TOTAL part list installed, so you don't need anything else than a VCDS or scantool to check which part numbers you have installed...
granted, when replacing a part the dealer/shop would need to update that table/database with the new value(or DIYers).
A step further would be extending the service interval counter for other known wear parts with a predefined interval, that way the MFD reads "TB service interval soon" or "replace TB" then the dealer already knows the parts needed or which one it had without even opening the hood.
maybe it's a pipe dream but i find it silly that i can't find a manifest of the parts of my car publicly available even decoding the VIN and 3 letter matrix of options.
+Guillermo Lovato That would require a level of consistency and management that VW (or many other manufacturers) simply do not have. You only have to be a user of VW's ETKA parts database over time to see inconsistencies on when X model of manufacture is supposed to have Y revision of parts. They often will substitute a part with a different part number on one production run to the next - probably because they have run out of the one that's supposed to be in there. I have seen this personally on my car with O2 sensors & MAP sensors. The actual O2 sensor on my 2010 1.4TSI is not listed as the correct part at any point for my engine throughout the history of it, but its an acceptable substitute.
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i have used ETKA briefly in the past, and also ELSAweb(until VW lawyered them to close the site regretfuly as that info should be publicly available) and yes they're a pain to use!.
specially when you have a part where the last letter changes the car it goes to!, for example, 038128063G / L is for my car, byt J/Q are for the suran(iirc) and M depending on where i check says compatible but on other places it says it's not and the last revision of the part is L (elsa shows L as last compatbiel revision)!, sheer crazyness!
Is it necessary to change the chain as well as de tensioner? Or changing the tensioner is enough to avoid problems? I have a Jetta 2.0 TSI 2012 DSG.. Many thks.
Tensioner alone is fine. If you plan to keep the car for another 50-70 000 miles do the chain and the gears as well
In which video can we see the differnce between the "old" tensione" and the "new" one the updated one that we should be lookin for. Thanks
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Im having issue with my gti mk5 tsi engine when i wanna start it it take 4 ever before it start i think is the timing i already change cam sensor and still have code smh
Do you have a video of 2008 Vw Tiguan timing set ? I could really use the help. What manual do you recommend?
Thank you. You mentioned that they are on the 4th revision on these I do believe. And it is the one with the part number with the "k"? What if the original owner had a newer one instead of the original from the factory. Let's say the second or third revision. . Are they any Better than the first/original?
Before july 2014 - change it. After july 2014 - do nothing
HI i need to replace a CCZA engine but can't find a used one. can i install instead CAWB or CCTA ?
HM, do you have a film on replacing the tensioner on this engine in a 2009 Passat?
You got yourself a nice little shiner on your left eye there Charles ;)
hey man just got a 2006 a4 2.0t, definitely some clicking to the motor and it's more than likely this. I just picked up the car and is being worked on by Audi as of now. I have a warranty on the car and was wondering if you'd think they would at least look at it and tell me if it needs replacing. what do you think?
have you heard of the timing chain (cam chain ) tensioner ?? seems to be really common among these cars . I have the same issue
some clicking noise.
I took my 2013 GTI CBFA to the VW dealer and asked about the chain tensioner as it had never been done before. (It's a 9/2012 build date) they said that chain tensioners failing are rare and do not recommend I do it. They said I need to have an oil screen replaced every 50,000 miles and I'll be fine. Please let me know if this is correct. Thank you.
ZNormT6 Hi. I also have 2013 GTI Autobahn ( Registration) 09/18/2012 ( build date). I’m curious if you had the dealer mechanic do a visual check if the revise version was installed?
Do you have a video on how to change the tensioner?
+Nicholas Davis I don't. I am not sure that I am going to do that video. I am VERY concerned about people not doing that job right and damaging their engine. If I do that video, it will probably be a private video that I distribute by request, or a pay video. I don't really want someone that is not qualified to try and replace that part.
Great video thanks! I have already replaced my tensioner it wasnt bad if you get all necessary tool. Took me around 7 hours but i did take my time with it.
Isn't it save to assume that pretty much anything made before 2013 has old tensioner? 2013 is the year to check as you might or might not have old tensioner.
+trancemiro It should be, but for how easy this is to check, I think it's worth making 100% sure.
Instead of the mirror, my old eyes prefer a USB inspection camera. It has light on the tip, bendable wire to go where you want it, and it hooks up to a phone. under $20 on amazon and the best thing since sliced bread for jobs like this
That is a great way to do it. I have had pretty poor luck when the cheap ones like that. But when they work, they are great.
I checked the tensioner on the gti I will be buying but I could not get it back on fully. I removed the fender liner and boost pipe to get more room but I still couldn't even if I put all my weight to it and lubricate it with fresh oil. Has anyone else struggled with reinstalling? What's the trick of getting it back on?
Very helpful cheers dude.
Do you know which model years have the updated tensioner? I have a 2014 tiguan
2012 is supposed to be the last year of the old style. But I’d check anyway
Hey Charles any DIY on how to replace the tensioner?
I haven't done one. I am nervous to do that video. It is not a hard job, but if you do any of it wrong , you are doing big time engine damage. Maybe at some point I will.
Thanks any idea if the Bentley manual has this in it?
Dude. You don’t have a bore scope?? Seems odd. I’m a car guy and I have 2 of them in my home shop.
how do you put the intake gear in timing not the chain
Soo is the tensioner in every GTI MK6? Or is it just 2010-2012?
It’s technically 2008-20012 but I still would be checking any mk6
Does the lower tensioner have the same problem as the upper tensioner in 2.0 tsi?
No. The balance shaft tensioner is great, and the oil pump tensioner is just a spring.
Could you get to this from the top with a boriscope?
Not really. It’s a pretty tight squeeze
Ok, just checking. Lol
Do you need to take off the cam shaft "girdle" to be able to change the timing chain or the tensioner?
Better late than never...But no
I typed a comment that disappeared while still commenting. Bummer! I own a 2010 VW Passat Komfort - 4 door with a 2.0 TSI Engine & only 70,000 miles on it. I saw a comment which I can't find again; I want to know if this statement is correct, "Every 2.0 TSI Engine manufactured before 2012 was fitted with a defective Timing Chain Tensioner". This is important! Without hardly any warning the light came on. I drove less than 1 mile to my daughter's, & the car died - had to tow it in ( sounded like ball bearings in a dryer when I tried to start it again.). 1. Clear gunk from intake valves, 2. Reseal Cylinder Cover, 3. Replace Lower Timing Chain Tensioner, 4. Replace Rear Main Seal, 5. Replace Manifold (It was still in Warranty, but I had to pay for cleaning.) = $3,259.26! I called VW who, after negotiating, said VW would pay for 80%. The Dealership found a bad Tie Rod End which they would replace for free. This makes me owing around $450.00. If the Timing Chain Tensioner had been defective when fitted on the car, VW should pay for all of it. I can't pay that much money! Thanks for answering. M. Johnson in Tennessee.
Is it based on particular year model? E.g. Would the 2012 version has a revised version where you don't need to fix it?
2013 and up should have new style. I’d still worry about the chain wear”stretch”
I own a seat Leon with the 2.0 tsi engine, I have engine management light on. cam/ crank sensor incorrect corrolation poo16 code. engine starts up and runs fine just takes a few seconds turning over. no knocking or strange sounds to indicate a slack chain. is this related to timing chain tensioner failing or could this be a stretched chain or tensioners maxed out? I find it hard to believe a timing chain fault on a engine with only 60k miles although watching the videos it seems pretty common. do you have a video on timing these engines up?
I have a 2013 CC Sport 2.0T. Do I have the old tensioner or the new one?
Probably new style but I’d still put my eyes on it to be sure
whats the part number for the timing chain tensioner cap?
If you can reach it, using a 5in1 tool might be easier and safer. I've never done it, but, just guessin'.
Can I find this out by calling the dealer and they can tell me by the vin number if I have the old one or the new style tensioner?
+Dema's WoodShop sadly no. They will only be guessing
HumbleMechanic well that sux, so if don't have the 06K-109-467-K than I need to replace it, I have 51k miles on 2012 gti
how can you tell if the cams are damaged if the tensioner failed. I'm looking into purchasing a kit from DAP and I don't want to do all the work only to find I have damaged cams.
You will have to inspect the cams for damage. And remove the bridge and look for the small filter.
Thanks! after I read about lobes spinning on DAP's site I'm a little paranoid.
any idea what the cost is to get this tensioner replaced in a 2010 GTI?
Usually in the $1000-$1200 range
Hi, i have a 2011 vw cc r line what timing kit this car uses. is it the (timing belt kit) or is it the (timing chain kit) I'm so confuse. Thank you
+Mayrim Hernandez all the CCs were chain driven
Make some more videos for the fsi
Okay so which one is the old tensioner and which one is the new? I watched the video and still didnt get it please help?
Check this out, it talks in dept about the problem including your question. www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/894837-Timing-Chain-Question
the dealer just had my intake manifold replaced and they found both of my rear main seal and upper timing chain cover are leaking. I know the main seal is impossible for me, but is there a video about the upper time chain cover available? Or, is it another mission impossible?
+Quan Gan the upper cover is easy. A hand full of bolts.
Maybe I'll do a video on my wife's car
HumbleMechanic Hi Charles, thank you in advance!
How to tell is it needs to be changed ?
If its what I show in this vidoe, change it. If its the kind with the ring, and it's more than 6 rings out, change it
Loose timing chains , high oil consumption , carbon deposits , all you need in a engine.
Hi there I have a 2009 Audi A4 2 litre turbo TSI is giving me the code number p0016 and I change the timing Chan and I change a tensioner I change the guides giving me Sam code undertale runs ruff I when pull out the intake camshaft actuator sensor that time it will run smooth why does. That please can you let me know what I have to do
Is this similar to the 1.4 mk 6 2010 tsi 122 bhp engine? Thanks
I’m wondering about the serpentine belt tensioner. I have a 2010 Passat 2.0t tsi. How to remove the tensioner. It looks like it has just one bolt... help me out.
Serpentine belt?
HumbleMechanic
Ok the belt. There’s the tensioner with one bolt” that I can see”. But from photos the tensioner is connected to a shaft.
Is there any way to check the chain tension without taking the entire timing chain plate off? I've got a strange whirring noise, engine rpm related, coming from my car and I'm wonder if the tensioner is failing.
+Clifford Gindulis not mechanically. But you can check t electronically with a scan tool.
I have had water pumps make weird noises like that. Take the coolant cap off when it's making the noise and see if it changes.
+HumbleMechanic
I have a VAG-COM and didn't realize that it would show me that! I Google'd it and it seems to be engine control, groups 91, 92, & 93. Does that sound right for B8 A4 2.0t?
I will definitely try your WC cap trick. I already know I've got an issue in that neighborhood since the car will not come up to normal operating temp. I really don't want to have to replace timing chains, especially since the car only has 70k on it.
+HumbleMechanic
I forgot to thank you for taking the time to reply to me! I appreciate a piece of your day!
Do i need to replace the chain too if i have an older model tensioner ?
At this point in time yes.
It’s been updated and I think most of the guides too