How to Update your VW or Audi TSI Timing Chain Tensioner th-cam.com/video/Vqo1fwWaR-s/w-d-xo.html How to Check your Timing Chain Tensioner th-cam.com/video/BL_pLK7oGkg/w-d-xo.html 2.0t Basic Timing Chain and Chain Tensioner Update Kit www.shopdap.com/2-0t-tsi-timing-chain-and-chain-tensioner-update-kit.html 2.0t TSI Timing Chain Kit www.shopdap.com/2-0-t-tsi-timing-chain-service-kit.html 2.0t TSI Audi (CAEB) Timing Chain Kit www.shopdap.com/audi-a4-2-0-tfsi-caeb-engine-timing-chain-kit.html 2.0t TSI Basic Timing Chain Tensioner Update Kit www.shopdap.com/make-model-year/volkswagen/tsi-timing-chain-tensioner-service-kit.html 2.0t TSI Timing Chain Tool Kit HERE www.shopdap.com/20t-tsi-timing-chain-special-tool-install-kit.html 2.0t TSI Crank Counter Hold Tool Only www.shopdap.com/1-2-drive-crank-counter-hold-tool-for-vw-t10355-wkz-t10355.html
Mine is 9.45 and it runs and has been running fine.124k miles. 2009 A4 2.0T (CAEB). No engine codes, no knocks, no weird noises. Never changed timing chain, guides etc. I don't really understand how it can be ok at 9.45.
This video saved my engine. I did this can 3 months ago and it showed -4.9, I drove it while saving up for a new chain. I started hearing a rattle and I finally replaced the chain this past 3 days. My timing chain cover had scratch and cut marks from the chain. I replaced with new cover everything sealed tight. My car now drives smoother and the rattle is gone and the obd11 value is -0.58
When did you hear the rattle? I'm hearing a rattle briefly when it shifts gears to the next higher gear. Not as noticeable if I'm on the accelerator more heavily.
I was hearing rattle on idle, but slight internal rattle. what you are hearing could also be the turbo waste gate rattle which i also have currently on my scirocco. Try rev up to 3000 in neutral and if you hear the rattle then it could be the turbo waste gate
The timing chain slip occurs when a worn out and shifted under tension chain lands at a wrong tooth. The crankshaft pulley has 42 teeth, 360deg/42 = 8.57deg - angular distance between any two crankshaft teeth. So, the critical point for crankshaft slip is 8.57/2 = 4.28deg. But this is the shift between the crankshaft and chain landing at the teeth. This application measures the total phase error between the crankshaft and camshaft, and the camshaft will have its own phase shift added to the total measured phase value: 360/46teeth/2 = 3.91deg. So, the critical measured phase angle is: 4.28 + 3.91 = 8.19deg. - this is the tripping point at which your chain is guaranteed to slip.
Super helpful!!. I have a mk7 gli and heard some rattling, so I was freaking out. 130kkm sitting at 4.31 definitely going to change this asap! You da man for giving specs! Exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for the explaination ! I think mine has been replaced in the lifetime of the car, it currently sits at 183 000 kilometers with 3.19 degres with a little push of the throttle (even lower at idle, something along -2.69). Still gonna make it checked at volkswagen CC just to be sure, especially the tensionner because the chain seems to be fine !
2013 VW GLI DSG, the first car we ever bought new. CBFA has 209k miles now. Common wear items replaced. Brakes, tires, broken suspension springs, and 1 wheel bearing. In the engine bay, I've only changed a water pump, the cooling fans, oil pressure sensor, plugs, coils, and a few cheap amazon PCV assemblies. OEM battery lasted almost 9 years, Still original turbo as well! I am at -7.? on OBD11. Only codes are for the intake flapper occasionally, runs great. I was just quoted $7k plus for chain service at local dealer. Ummm, no! This is why I do all the work I can myself in my driveaway, no garage. Gathering parts now to do this myself over the coming weeks. I've run Walmart Supertech full synthetic oil since maybe 80k miles. I have a noticeable oil leak, assuming lower timing cover. So it gets newer oil added pretty regularly! Its my work car now, but, I still love it! I plan on this being my 14 yr olds first car. I am making sure it will make it for her. It's no show car, but for being in the Northeast it's whole life, it still cleans up pretty good! These type of videos really help me keep it going! Thanks guys!!
This is such nonsense by VAG. How did they manage to eff up the chain system on this engine *so* badly? First there's the moronic earlier chain tensioner with a thin metal strap that is essentially a time bomb they somehow thought was a good idea; then this "chain stretch" nonsense? One of major reasons for chains v. belts is that they're supposed to be more reliable and much longer lasting. The "cost" for using a chain instead of a belt is more noise, not a bunch of issues. *Somehow* they've managed to make an engine with a chain that has absolutely no benefit over a belt, has more chance of catastrophic failure, more paranoia, and more things to worry about! Basically the entire opposite of the peace of mind a chain is *supposed* to give. Way to go Audi! They really ought to be accountable for this and give some kind of warranty extension of this nonsense chain design. It's pretty ridiculous to have to worry about a chain and tensioner that has the capability of destroying your engine which will cost several thousand to repair if it happens, all because they screwed this up so bad.
Regardless of the material, chain or belt, neither of them are lifelong. They will need to be serviced at some point. A belt could probably fail more catastrophically since it's a sudden failure vs. a gradual wearing out of the chain.
Chain can fail out of nowhere. I sell these cars and a customers tensioner presumably failed a few months after they purchased. No symptoms, no warning, just driving down the road and car shuts off.. this design is an absolute disgrace and ticking time bomb. It costs half the cars value to rebuilt the head. What a joke, Audi should fix all these no questions asked!
@@hgas9631 Absolutely true. I've been working in a VAG and Volvo specialist shop since 08, and I've seen more catastrophic failures on EA888s than every other engine put together. (well, the 03-04 3.0 Audi V6 comes close) Latest ea888 failure wasn't even timing chain, tensioner or cam bridge related. The oil check valve for the cyl head somehow jammed itself (no debris, just the valve stuck sideways in the housing) and starved the cam journals for oil, and the intake camshaft seized in the head!
My car is on 215000 km. On obd11 was showing -5.17, when I was replacing timing chain, I found out that, the timing cover was being scratched by the chain. After doing the replacement now I'm back to 0.17.
My 160K Audi 2.0T has bad vibration at Idle. I also had a P0301 miss fire at cyl.1. I replaced PCV Valve, 4 Plugs +Coils. No change. I then removed Intake, cleaned all carbon with walnuts and added 4 new injectors. still no change. could a stretched chain throw the balance shaft out of time to the point causing vibration?
I am glad I never had this issue with me 06 GLI (FSI) , she always ran flawlessly, belts are less problematic than chain... but know I drive an A6 3.0T and starting to do the chain rattle at 120k miles...I'll Chek this ASAP with my obd11...but I dont see this option on my obd11...
What is the correct data block for a VW CC 2012? What if the engine light flashes 2x, then holds steady? Replaced the spark plugs and use ignition coils which may not be a good idea. If this doesn't work most likely the timing chain tensor and belt?
Hi All, Just measured my camshaft adaptation phase position, intake : 0.00 and exhaust : -3.0 Measures were taken with car semi cooled down ( 2h after came back from work ). Ran ~ 5 min car drive to check if they would change, they didn't. This seems fine to me, or did i measure it bad? Should it be cold ? Thanks guys!
Deutsche Auto Parts Hello, I wanted to get rid of a doubt, I made the chain change and when measuring the value of the chain I went from -5.50 to -2.19. that's fine or I should correct. thank you very much for your channel
Great video as usual...quick question.....you hit on timing chain elongation:reset after chain replacement briefly.....this is my situation for a 2.0T 2014 Audi Q5.....but most recent version of VCDS does not have that option in Basic Tests!!! Is there some other place, or some other name to look for it....or some other way to do the reset......the engine starts immediately(it had the typical stretched chain lag before chain replacement), and the adaptation value is way under 5%,....but its running very rough.....appreciate any help you can offer....thanks!
Do the +/-5.00 values apply to TFSI engines as well, or just the TSI? If they only apply to the TSI, are there known values for the TFSI? Also curious as to whether those values are of concern in the absence of any other indicators of chain wear. I was under the impression a chain, unlike a belt, will give some obvious signs of wear and imminent failure (e.g., noisy, misfires, and ultimately DTCs and/or MIL illumination).
Just had mine done. 2011 at 65K at the time I got it done. The actual tensioner was getting close to fail (was getting the valve gasket leak done at the time as well) so I upgraded to the newer one.
So the correct measurement should be slightly negative at idle with a permissible range of slightly neg. to slightly pos? Can the error only go in one direction (positive) due to direction of engine rotation?
Is it worrying if my car shows 112.5 degrees? 😅 It's a 1.4 TSI not a 2.0. It's seems impossible to be 100 degrees off right? Considering it runs and pulls great
I purchased an OBD Eleven form your shop over a year ago. I plugged in my scan tool and looked for this " Camshaft adjustment adaptation" and couldn't find it. Can tell me what the the degree of timing would be good and bad for my 2013 Vw Passat 3.6 and what I would need to look at in the scan tool. I followed these instructions and couldn't find it. I used the text based search on the phone app.
Hi, My mechanic told me I need a new chain on my 2015 1.8 GSW. I asked him how he diagnosed it, and he said he did it with a stethoscope, so I am skeptical. My original issue is a lugging /knocking sound at low RPM prior to downshifting. If I drive in sport mode, I really don't have any issues. I was thinking of getting a pedalbox to get through another year or two. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the extremely helpful vid. My car is right at 5 deg.(2006 audi A4 2.0t). I have misfiring and/or rough idle when the car is cold start. Once it warms up its smooth but has that light diesel sound. I feel like I'm on borrowed time now. Lots of list for this car.
@@baubaa1417 It very well could've been that. I ended up selling the car to a coworkers son and I believe he ended up replacing the head but I’m not sure why. Coincidentally I ended up getting a 335xi w/the n54 engine, also notorious for carbon build up(also direct injection). I did the cleaning myself -holy 💩 what a mess. It ran much better afterwards tho 🙂.
So our Timing Chain looks OK as we are under -3 degrees (2.48). But if we drive the vehicle on an outing and then pull into the garage and recheck parament 93, it's at 3.11. So what gives? How much does a timing chain replacement job cost?
My 2014 gti is 93k miles. Just checked. I’m at -3.54. I have updated tensioner but I get some rattle on warm start ups and sometimes cold. Ima go ahead and do the internal maintenance. To close to risk it. I’m going k04 very soon
Just checked mine any input would be appreciated (ticking on cold start which goes after a minute or two changed both magnets and oil valves with genuine INA Camshaft intake bank 1 phase position 0.0° while the actual value is 15.2° Exhaust phase position -2.6° actual while the actual value is 0.0°
At -7.52 I'm late doing this and have learned that I'm super lucky! I have an 09 Passat 2.0 CCTA engine with 270k km on the car and 140k on the current updated tensioner. No noise, other than the normal I-sound-like-a-diesel sounds (I think its the hpfp?). ANYWAYS, what else should I be changing to account for chain stretch? Just tensioner+chain? Or should I plan for any guides/etc? Everything is original except the tensioner
I have a 2.0 TSI Passat CC and mine also sounds like a diesel from the outside 😂 I was so confused at the beginning… mine has 220k kilometers on it and I think no chain was changed
@@HarrockI have a 2013 GTI that reads -5.30 around that mark. But there’s no symptoms at all so I’m pretty confused people say they’ll start having misfires or whatever but mine literally has no issues whatsoever it’s still driving hella solid and smooth at 117k miles. Gonna have to wait til I can check it through the inspection port I guess
I was at -4.5 without misfires, after replacing the chain and updating the tensioner im at. -.11. The old tensioner held together thankfully and had 1 tooth left before being maxed out
That's actually quite interesting timing chain data, thanks for sharing it! How many miles were on the engine at the time, if you don't mind my asking?
Hello sir! Excellent video! I want to ask if you know if we also can check the chain strech for the 1.4 tsi vw engines like cavd , cavf , caxa , caxc , blf , blg , bmy etc...here in Greece we have to many 1.4tsi cars than 2.0 ltr.... thanks in advance!!
So, when I do this test at idle the reading is 1.6% and when I whip the throttle the reading goes to 3.6%. Is this test supposed to remain at idle for the duration of it?
I have a 2009 gti. The tensioner did its thing, I was able to fight the warranty and get a new engine. How is the reliability of the revised tsi engine.????
Can you tell me how to check it? When the engine is cold its show -3.8, when i drive to 90° and car is hot its show -2.4 so when checikng is ok? After some minutes engine start or when its 90°?
@@MustafaAlMidani So did you use another brand's OBDII-to-Bluetooth dongle? I have one I've been using with the Torque app and was wondering if OBDeleven app will connect to it.
Hi. I have Golf 7 GTI Clubsport EA888.3. Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1, phase position is 0.0 - 0.3. However, Camshaft adaptation exhaust bank 1, phase position is bouncing between 3.5, 3.7, 4.1 and 4.5. Is this normal? Engine is on 40.000 km.
Audi A3 2008.5 2.0T TSI: My chain stretch is at -1.69º with 160,000 miles. I was expecting way more. I'm worried about that tensioner though. Nothing has been done to the timing since it was purchased new.
Thank You for the vids. Yes, it is time. My son bought a second hand MK6 GTI. I'm doing the homework and telling him let's get the Kit (and tools) and get this taken care of...Is there a comprehensive resource for how the tooling is used when changing the Chains?
I did my Chain/Tensioners last fall (2014 CC/2.0 /M6/117k Mi). My chain was stretched a solid link and half . Wit that timing correction, the motor ran so much better. Next interval will be 90k if I still have it. I do have other 2.0's that I will certainly replace sooner. Question for those who know...is the 1.8 essentially the 2.0 just smaller disp? Should I be looking at Chain replacement on that as well (2014 Jetta 1.8/80k). From the outside they look identical, I have not had to open it up for anything yet. thx
I'm a GTI enjoyer, but I'm almost positive your 2014 Jetta has an EA888- I'm only unsure whether it's a Gen 2 or Gen 3. If it's a Gen 3, it's almost exactly the same as the 2.0 in the GTI aside from crank & connecting rod bits, turbo, and no variable exhaust valve lift. Sorry, that's all I got
Can you run this on a newer VW in both OBD-eleven AND VCDB? my OBD-eleven on my 2014 Passat 1.8T says 0.6% (at 145,000 miles), but the local mechanic said he had a 4 with his VCDB.
I’ve got a 2014 gti and my OBDeleven says -3.67 but on start ups there is chain rattle idk which chain but definitely on start up there is rattle should I stop driving it or will it be fine?
Hey DAP, when I go into live data (A4 B8 3.2 FSI), I can't find phase position, or anything related to the cam/timing chain really. Is this locked or does this engine not have such supervision?
These guys rarely reply. Mine is currently 1 and 5 for Bank 2 and 1. I have new chain. I've red that anything between 5 and 8 for the VR6 3.2 means stretched. But I am not 100% sure mine was centered properly. 0:02
What about mk7's I have heard they are prone to tensioner problems prematurely as well. Also what RPMS should a mk7 gti be within at idle? On the COBB it is reading 672rpm
I have a tuned 2.0tsi CCZB My Phase position isbank 1 intake is at -6.06 However at 20% load. I have no issues. Boosts fine and fast. Does this reading change dependiong on engine load ?
How can I get to that module for my 2012 Tiguan? In the car’s menu I get “info”, “history”, “Apps”, “Real Time Data”, “Manual”, “Graphics” & “discussions”. I guess it would be Real Time Data but when I get in I don’t have an “engine” module like in the video but lots of different parameters of the car I can choose from. One of them is “timing advance”, would it be? Rgds
Is the extension distance of the tensioner any indication? My 2009 A3 is apart, in my garage, getting a new timing chain as I write this. With he old chain/tensioner/guides the tensioner was nearly fully extended. With the new parts, it's only out about two notches. It seems the chain stretch is part of the reason for chain noise, the other part being worn guides. ~130,000 miles.
Hi I turned on the measuring block 093 in Obdeleven and the value -5 ° is constantly displayed even when the engine is switched off! Is this normal why does nothing change. I drive an A6 4f c6 2.0 tfsi BPJ 2006. Is that normal? and also the -5 ° value? Chain and tensioner were exchanged last year! Unfortunately, when the engine is warm, you can currently hear rattling noises every 2 - 3 seconds! I'm going crazy!
Hey, I have an AAX engine gti mk5 and I'm reading 5 degrees on my OBDEleven, the engine also sounds like a diesel engine. Would replacing the shorted timing chain on the top with the yellow tensioner fix the problem or do I need to go deeper down. I'm not even sure if there are more chains on my vehicle since I always though that it would be a belt engine.
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How to Update your VW or Audi TSI Timing Chain Tensioner
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How to Check your Timing Chain Tensioner
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2.0t Basic Timing Chain and Chain Tensioner Update Kit
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2.0t TSI Timing Chain Kit
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2.0t TSI Audi (CAEB) Timing Chain Kit
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2.0t TSI Basic Timing Chain Tensioner Update Kit
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2.0t TSI Timing Chain Tool Kit HERE
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2.0t TSI Crank Counter Hold Tool Only
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Mine is 9.45 and it runs and has been running fine.124k miles. 2009 A4 2.0T (CAEB). No engine codes, no knocks, no weird noises. Never changed timing chain, guides etc. I don't really understand how it can be ok at 9.45.
This video saved my engine. I did this can 3 months ago and it showed -4.9, I drove it while saving up for a new chain. I started hearing a rattle and I finally replaced the chain this past 3 days. My timing chain cover had scratch and cut marks from the chain. I replaced with new cover everything sealed tight. My car now drives smoother and the rattle is gone and the obd11 value is -0.58
When did you hear the rattle? I'm hearing a rattle briefly when it shifts gears to the next higher gear. Not as noticeable if I'm on the accelerator more heavily.
I was hearing rattle on idle, but slight internal rattle. what you are hearing could also be the turbo waste gate rattle which i also have currently on my scirocco. Try rev up to 3000 in neutral and if you hear the rattle then it could be the turbo waste gate
The timing chain slip occurs when a worn out and shifted under tension chain lands at a wrong tooth. The crankshaft pulley has 42 teeth, 360deg/42 = 8.57deg - angular distance between any two crankshaft teeth. So, the critical point for crankshaft slip is 8.57/2 = 4.28deg. But this is the shift between the crankshaft and chain landing at the teeth.
This application measures the total phase error between the crankshaft and camshaft, and the camshaft will have its own phase shift added to the total measured phase value: 360/46teeth/2 = 3.91deg. So, the critical measured phase angle is: 4.28 + 3.91 = 8.19deg. - this is the tripping point at which your chain is guaranteed to slip.
@Hecer- 8.8 is a lot.
@@Tsykal I am getting -6.49 with a 44% adjustment. Is it a lot?
@@menelaos1992 its a lot. They say up to 4 is ok.
Does the OBD11 account for this?
@Hecer- if you read that much it could mean that your chain is 1 tooth off.
Super helpful!!. I have a mk7 gli and heard some rattling, so I was freaking out. 130kkm sitting at 4.31 definitely going to change this asap! You da man for giving specs! Exactly what I was looking for.
Hi! You are sitting at +4.31 or - 4.31? Have you changed your timing chaines?
Great vid, do more showing how to use OBDEleven's scan tool like this one. Thanks!
Thank you for the explaination ! I think mine has been replaced in the lifetime of the car, it currently sits at 183 000 kilometers with 3.19 degres with a little push of the throttle (even lower at idle, something along -2.69). Still gonna make it checked at volkswagen CC just to be sure, especially the tensionner because the chain seems to be fine !
Just make sure you change the oil on time, bad / not enough oil is the biggest reason for time stretch.
Mine was a ~-5,5° and the exhaust one was already one tooth over, so I was pretty lucky to get out with a healthy engine in the end.
😱 lucky! That’s scary as heck! I just checked mine and thankfully I am at ~2.38.
@@static_mk6_gli223 how many miles?
@@static_mk6_gli223 mileage / kms?
I'm over 6 degrees on my '12 GLI. Misfires have started so a replacement is coming.
@@voyfan99 Hi, any other obvious symptoms you had? I’m at -5.64 and car is running fine.
2013 VW GLI DSG, the first car we ever bought new. CBFA has 209k miles now. Common wear items replaced. Brakes, tires, broken suspension springs, and 1 wheel bearing. In the engine bay, I've only changed a water pump, the cooling fans, oil pressure sensor, plugs, coils, and a few cheap amazon PCV assemblies. OEM battery lasted almost 9 years, Still original turbo as well! I am at -7.? on OBD11. Only codes are for the intake flapper occasionally, runs great. I was just quoted $7k plus for chain service at local dealer. Ummm, no! This is why I do all the work I can myself in my driveaway, no garage. Gathering parts now to do this myself over the coming weeks. I've run Walmart Supertech full synthetic oil since maybe 80k miles. I have a noticeable oil leak, assuming lower timing cover. So it gets newer oil added pretty regularly! Its my work car now, but, I still love it! I plan on this being my 14 yr olds first car. I am making sure it will make it for her. It's no show car, but for being in the Northeast it's whole life, it still cleans up pretty good! These type of videos really help me keep it going! Thanks guys!!
This is such nonsense by VAG. How did they manage to eff up the chain system on this engine *so* badly? First there's the moronic earlier chain tensioner with a thin metal strap that is essentially a time bomb they somehow thought was a good idea; then this "chain stretch" nonsense? One of major reasons for chains v. belts is that they're supposed to be more reliable and much longer lasting. The "cost" for using a chain instead of a belt is more noise, not a bunch of issues. *Somehow* they've managed to make an engine with a chain that has absolutely no benefit over a belt, has more chance of catastrophic failure, more paranoia, and more things to worry about! Basically the entire opposite of the peace of mind a chain is *supposed* to give. Way to go Audi!
They really ought to be accountable for this and give some kind of warranty extension of this nonsense chain design. It's pretty ridiculous to have to worry about a chain and tensioner that has the capability of destroying your engine which will cost several thousand to repair if it happens, all because they screwed this up so bad.
Regardless of the material, chain or belt, neither of them are lifelong. They will need to be serviced at some point. A belt could probably fail more catastrophically since it's a sudden failure vs. a gradual wearing out of the chain.
Mine was going to cost too much to fix so I had it replaced by a newer one.
Chain can fail out of nowhere. I sell these cars and a customers tensioner presumably failed a few months after they purchased. No symptoms, no warning, just driving down the road and car shuts off.. this design is an absolute disgrace and ticking time bomb. It costs half the cars value to rebuilt the head. What a joke, Audi should fix all these no questions asked!
You weren't supposed to know this. You were supposed to just brang it to the dealer. Now they must silence you.
@@hgas9631 Absolutely true. I've been working in a VAG and Volvo specialist shop since 08, and I've seen more catastrophic failures on EA888s than every other engine put together. (well, the 03-04 3.0 Audi V6 comes close)
Latest ea888 failure wasn't even timing chain, tensioner or cam bridge related. The oil check valve for the cyl head somehow jammed itself (no debris, just the valve stuck sideways in the housing) and starved the cam journals for oil, and the intake camshaft seized in the head!
If you have anything at -4 and -5, you should check for the screen on the camshaft bridge.
?? explain
I also heard something about screen on balance shaft. Would like to learn about these screens. Where can I find info?
Thanks for teaching us. I just checked mine it was -2.45° . So that's good then
My car is on 215000 km. On obd11 was showing -5.17, when I was replacing timing chain, I found out that, the timing cover was being scratched by the chain. After doing the replacement now I'm back to 0.17.
Should I be looking for intake or exhaust numbers? I have a 2017 A4 2.0 and when using the ODB11 I need to type the description not just code 93.
My 160K Audi 2.0T has bad vibration at Idle. I also had a P0301 miss fire at cyl.1. I replaced PCV Valve, 4 Plugs +Coils. No change. I then removed Intake, cleaned all carbon with walnuts and added 4 new injectors. still no change. could a stretched chain throw the balance shaft out of time to the point causing vibration?
I am glad I never had this issue with me 06 GLI (FSI) , she always ran flawlessly, belts are less problematic than chain... but know I drive an A6 3.0T and starting to do the chain rattle at 120k miles...I'll Chek this ASAP with my obd11...but I dont see this option on my obd11...
What is the correct data block for a VW CC 2012? What if the engine light flashes 2x, then holds steady? Replaced the spark plugs and use ignition coils which may not be a good idea. If this doesn't work most likely the timing chain tensor and belt?
I checked my 2013 CC with 130000 miles and got -5.07 guess its time to buy a kit
U fix it? Im at -5.60. 2014 tiguan. 120,000miles
@@clint1285 I have -5.07 on 2009 scirocco on 89k miles
@@dopiaza2006 the mechanic looked at my timing chain tensioner in May and said it wasn't stretched too bad
Mine is 3.52°... Car runs fine,no codes,power ok,idle smooth... Do or don't on timing chain replacement?
hello from 2021 ! i just got my odbeleven, this was the 2nd thing i checked after usual faults. 2012 w/ 64k @ -2.23 I'm good for awhile
Which OBDeleven do you have? I might look into getting one and how much did you get yours for?
Do u need pro version?
@@static_mk6_gli223 standard $60
@@jeroensuk3517 no but mine came with a free pro upgrade
Oke thanks 👍
Is there a way to check the timing chain tensioner ? 2016 gti
Hi All,
Just measured my camshaft adaptation phase position, intake : 0.00 and exhaust : -3.0
Measures were taken with car semi cooled down ( 2h after came back from work ). Ran ~ 5 min car drive to check if they would change, they didn't.
This seems fine to me, or did i measure it bad? Should it be cold ?
Thanks guys!
Hoping you can help
I have 2014 tiguan.
After timing chain.below all obdeleven.
Before timing chain - 6.65
After timing chain +7.79.
Deutsche Auto Parts
Hello, I wanted to get rid of a doubt, I made the chain change and when measuring the value of the chain I went from -5.50 to -2.19. that's fine or I should correct. thank you very much for your channel
Very good Video thanks u again
My question is can I check my mk5 r32 with the obdeleven to check if I have any stretch on the chains?
Great video as usual...quick question.....you hit on timing chain elongation:reset after chain replacement briefly.....this is my situation for a 2.0T 2014 Audi Q5.....but most recent version of VCDS does not have that option in Basic Tests!!! Is there some other place, or some other name to look for it....or some other way to do the reset......the engine starts immediately(it had the typical stretched chain lag before chain replacement), and the adaptation value is way under 5%,....but its running very rough.....appreciate any help you can offer....thanks!
Do the +/-5.00 values apply to TFSI engines as well, or just the TSI? If they only apply to the TSI, are there known values for the TFSI? Also curious as to whether those values are of concern in the absence of any other indicators of chain wear. I was under the impression a chain, unlike a belt, will give some obvious signs of wear and imminent failure (e.g., noisy, misfires, and ultimately DTCs and/or MIL illumination).
Same
Just had mine done. 2011 at 65K at the time I got it done. The actual tensioner was getting close to fail (was getting the valve gasket leak done at the time as well) so I upgraded to the newer one.
How much did that cost you entirely? Guides got done too?
Quick question... Mine is at - 7.2. So i am not sure what to think. Is this really bad?
Yup it’s not good. Do chains ASAP
So the correct measurement should be slightly negative at idle with a permissible range of slightly neg. to slightly pos? Can the error only go in one direction (positive) due to direction of engine rotation?
hi. good tutorial. Is there an obd eleven to check boost leak or simple boost? thank you
Is it worrying if my car shows 112.5 degrees? 😅 It's a 1.4 TSI not a 2.0. It's seems impossible to be 100 degrees off right? Considering it runs and pulls great
I purchased an OBD Eleven form your shop over a year ago. I plugged in my scan tool and looked for this " Camshaft adjustment adaptation" and couldn't find it. Can tell me what the the degree of timing would be good and bad for my 2013 Vw Passat 3.6 and what I would need to look at in the scan tool. I followed these instructions and couldn't find it. I used the text based search on the phone app.
-9.58 GOD DAMN IM COOKED😭😭
Hi, My mechanic told me I need a new chain on my 2015 1.8 GSW. I asked him how he diagnosed it, and he said he did it with a stethoscope, so I am skeptical. My original issue is a lugging /knocking sound at low RPM prior to downshifting. If I drive in sport mode, I really don't have any issues. I was thinking of getting a pedalbox to get through another year or two. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the extremely helpful vid. My car is right at 5 deg.(2006 audi A4 2.0t). I have misfiring and/or rough idle when the car is cold start. Once it warms up its smooth but has that light diesel sound. I feel like I'm on borrowed time now. Lots of list for this car.
It was the chain that made the car run like that cold?
@@vericucosmin8648 yes I believe so, well the timing to be more specific. But ya, caused by stretched chain or other worn parts
Obviously a very late reply, but I've heard that carbon build up can cause the listed problems above especially with the first gen ea888 motor
@@baubaa1417 It very well could've been that. I ended up selling the car to a coworkers son and I believe he ended up replacing the head but I’m not sure why.
Coincidentally I ended up getting a 335xi w/the n54 engine, also notorious for carbon build up(also direct injection). I did the cleaning myself -holy 💩 what a mess. It ran much better afterwards tho 🙂.
Is this something you can do with Carista? I just bought this device and have the torque pro app. Thank you for the videos, just subscribed!
any source for a list of the codes in OBD 11?
Any idea how I can check this in other apps like Torque Pro?
Can we apply these measurements rules to a 3.0T engine?
I have wonder the same, I have the same engine
So our Timing Chain looks OK as we are under -3 degrees (2.48). But if we drive the vehicle on an outing and then pull into the garage and recheck parament 93, it's at 3.11. So what gives? How much does a timing chain replacement job cost?
Can you share how to check the phase position on an audi q5 using a foxwell N510 elite. Haven't been able to find any videos for this device.
Can you use this method to check the earlier 2.5 engine timing chain ?
I have 3.55 and 180 k miles 2011 . I have also chain and belt on Tiguan 2.0 tfsi. Whats the best to do change ?
After rebuilding my 1.8tsi I had 1.05 and after 2 years and 30kkm I have 1.18. So I guess this obdeleven isn't lying 😁
Hi if timing is wrong should be how much ? If timing is correct should be how much ? Please 🙏
Car idle is at 800-840rpm and shows 1.75 degree on value 3. Thanks for the video. Now to figure out why my bug is sluggish these days.
Hey, what's the data block value for a MK6 GTI? I couldn't find it using 93. Would it be different?
thx for the video, my tiguan shows -206 shut i change the timing chain?
What is the name of the OBD scanner used? Thank you for the informative video!
Obdeleven
My 2014 gti is 93k miles. Just checked. I’m at -3.54. I have updated tensioner but I get some rattle on warm start ups and sometimes cold. Ima go ahead and do the internal maintenance. To close to risk it. I’m going k04 very soon
Just checked mine any input would be appreciated (ticking on cold start which goes after a minute or two changed both magnets and oil valves with genuine INA
Camshaft intake bank 1 phase position 0.0° while the actual value is 15.2°
Exhaust phase position -2.6° actual while the actual value is 0.0°
At -7.52 I'm late doing this and have learned that I'm super lucky! I have an 09 Passat 2.0 CCTA engine with 270k km on the car and 140k on the current updated tensioner. No noise, other than the normal I-sound-like-a-diesel sounds (I think its the hpfp?).
ANYWAYS, what else should I be changing to account for chain stretch? Just tensioner+chain? Or should I plan for any guides/etc? Everything is original except the tensioner
I have a 2.0 TSI Passat CC and mine also sounds like a diesel from the outside 😂 I was so confused at the beginning… mine has 220k kilometers on it and I think no chain was changed
@@HarrockI have a 2013 GTI that reads -5.30 around that mark. But there’s no symptoms at all so I’m pretty confused people say they’ll start having misfires or whatever but mine literally has no issues whatsoever it’s still driving hella solid and smooth at 117k miles. Gonna have to wait til I can check it through the inspection port I guess
I was at -4.5 without misfires, after replacing the chain and updating the tensioner im at. -.11. The old tensioner held together thankfully and had 1 tooth left before being maxed out
That's actually quite interesting timing chain data, thanks for sharing it! How many miles were on the engine at the time, if you don't mind my asking?
@@tedjohnson64 144,000 on original chain and tensioner.
@@TOLDyouSOagain Cool, thanks!
@@tedjohnson64i’m at -4.59 you think it’s time?
Just bought it to check for stretch. I have a TSi 2012 Beetle 6sp that doesn't feel the same, so I'm hoping this helps me find out why.
Hello sir! Excellent video! I want to ask if you know if we also can check the chain strech for the 1.4 tsi vw engines like cavd , cavf , caxa , caxc , blf , blg , bmy etc...here in Greece we have to many 1.4tsi cars than 2.0 ltr.... thanks in advance!!
Wish I knew if you were talking about negative or positive. Is NEGATIVE 4 good?!
-4 to 0 to 4
So, when I do this test at idle the reading is 1.6% and when I whip the throttle the reading goes to 3.6%.
Is this test supposed to remain at idle for the duration of it?
Is there a specific length that the "06K109467K" is extended before you need to replace it?
Can one use VCDS to check? I have a 21 Passat with 2.0 TSI so I want to bf proactive when it gets higher miles.
What values will be ok on GTI sport MK7 2016 (MT)?
I have a 2009 gti. The tensioner did its thing, I was able to fight the warranty and get a new engine. How is the reliability of the revised tsi engine.????
Can you tell me how to check it? When the engine is cold its show -3.8, when i drive to 90° and car is hot its show -2.4 so when checikng is ok? After some minutes engine start or when its 90°?
We have a 2012 Audi A4 wagon 2.0T, it always shakes when it’s cold. It’s been going on for a month, could this be timing chain related?
Standard obd evelen can be any problem to find this position?
Does this need to be reset after changing the chain, tensioner with vcd adaptations or just leave it?
Do I need OBDeleven credits to perform 093 check? or just OBD part + App?
HappyAlexandros Pro version was enough ...
@@MustafaAlMidani So did you use another brand's OBDII-to-Bluetooth dongle? I have one I've been using with the Torque app and was wondering if OBDeleven app will connect to it.
futbolpunk No it has to be OBDeleven hardware too
We, or I, need an update on this for a Mk7 using the latest version of OBD11.
Hi. I have Golf 7 GTI Clubsport EA888.3. Camshaft adaptation intake bank 1, phase position is 0.0 - 0.3. However, Camshaft adaptation exhaust bank 1, phase position is bouncing between 3.5, 3.7, 4.1 and 4.5. Is this normal? Engine is on 40.000 km.
what number should we expect for a new car?
0 ?
Audi A3 2008.5 2.0T TSI: My chain stretch is at -1.69º with 160,000 miles. I was expecting way more. I'm worried about that tensioner though. Nothing has been done to the timing since it was purchased new.
@iNSTAGiB yep, running strong; it’s close to 200k right now
@iNSTAGiB Yes, I updated the tensioner shortly after this post that first post. It was the old style tensioner.
Thank You for the vids. Yes, it is time. My son bought a second hand MK6 GTI. I'm doing the homework and telling him let's get the Kit (and tools) and get this taken care of...Is there a comprehensive resource for how the tooling is used when changing the Chains?
What year is it? 2012 and above has the new tensioner so you dont have to upgrade it.
2010 @ 104k. We did the inspection and it does not have the most current Tensioner in there.
MIne is a 2011 at 66K and got it done recently.
We will have some more timing stuff coming. Not necessarily diy but still should be insightful
Once again, Thank You! Yesterday evening he ran OBDeleven and got 3.63...
Wish I knew this a year and a half ago when I blew the engine. I'll keep an eye on the new one with the obd11. Thanks for the video
Sorry to hear
Hey, at least I know now so I can keep an eye on the new engine I had put in. Again, thanks for the video!
I did my Chain/Tensioners last fall (2014 CC/2.0 /M6/117k Mi). My chain was stretched a solid link and half . Wit that timing correction, the motor ran so much better. Next interval will be 90k if I still have it. I do have other 2.0's that I will certainly replace sooner.
Question for those who know...is the 1.8 essentially the 2.0 just smaller disp? Should I be looking at Chain replacement on that as well (2014 Jetta 1.8/80k). From the outside they look identical, I have not had to open it up for anything yet. thx
I'm a GTI enjoyer, but I'm almost positive your 2014 Jetta has an EA888- I'm only unsure whether it's a Gen 2 or Gen 3. If it's a Gen 3, it's almost exactly the same as the 2.0 in the GTI aside from crank & connecting rod bits, turbo, and no variable exhaust valve lift. Sorry, that's all I got
@@andrewsnyder7584 Thank you sir!
Can you run this on a newer VW in both OBD-eleven AND VCDB?
my OBD-eleven on my 2014 Passat 1.8T says 0.6% (at 145,000 miles), but the local mechanic said he had a 4 with his VCDB.
Just checked mine. It was at -7.20. Time to buy a chain ig
Question 🙋♂️
About how much would this cost parts and labor? Estimate just to know if someone is 🪛 me ?
So I did the timing chain & tensioner and my value is -5, but I measured everything up when I timed the engine and it was all in spec
Is this the same for mk7 or mk6.5 1.8 tsi engine? I want check my percentage
I’ve got a 2014 gti and my OBDeleven says -3.67 but on start ups there is chain rattle idk which chain but definitely on start up there is rattle should I stop driving it or will it be fine?
Hey DAP,
when I go into live data (A4 B8 3.2 FSI), I can't find phase position, or anything related to the cam/timing chain really. Is this locked or does this engine not have such supervision?
Can you do a video on a 3.2 FSI timing chain repair?
These guys rarely reply. Mine is currently 1 and 5 for Bank 2 and 1. I have new chain. I've red that anything between 5 and 8 for the VR6 3.2 means stretched. But I am not 100% sure mine was centered properly. 0:02
I know you said for a TSI engine, but would it also be on channel 93 on MKV 2.5?
Hey ! I have a 1.8 tsi motor. The phase position bank1 is showing +13.62 !!! Am i in trouble?
Hello
I have done the test and it has given me a value 1 760 / min value 2 15.8% and value 3 -1.18 correct? 79mil km Thank you
How do you check this on a 2015 Audi S3 ? What data pid do I use ?
What about mk7's I have heard they are prone to tensioner problems prematurely as well. Also what RPMS should a mk7 gti be within at idle? On the COBB it is reading 672rpm
I have a tuned 2.0tsi CCZB My Phase position isbank 1 intake is at -6.06 However at 20% load. I have no issues. Boosts fine and fast. Does this reading change dependiong on engine load ?
Same here i have like 7,something....
@@suntleo
With 0,0 load?
@@erwinvanriel5843 14% but i change timing chain and now its like -1.6°
@@suntleo
I changed mine last year
And obd says -6° kw
I don't understand
Great guide, definitely still something worth knowing, I'll be checking this as soon as I'm home. Thanks!
Is there something similar for BMW? Owners of the n47 engine would kill for that option.
How can I get to that module for my 2012 Tiguan? In the car’s menu I get “info”, “history”, “Apps”, “Real Time Data”, “Manual”, “Graphics” & “discussions”. I guess it would be Real Time Data but when I get in I don’t have an “engine” module like in the video but lots of different parameters of the car I can choose from. One of them is “timing advance”, would it be? Rgds
Is the extension distance of the tensioner any indication? My 2009 A3 is apart, in my garage, getting a new timing chain as I write this. With he old chain/tensioner/guides the tensioner was nearly fully extended. With the new parts, it's only out about two notches. It seems the chain stretch is part of the reason for chain noise, the other part being worn guides. ~130,000 miles.
Does this work the same for a 3.0t. If not what would the spec be for a 3.0t?
is there an updated video for this? does not seem to work properly on my 2016 R
I just checked mine and it was +0.56 is it good or should i freak out 😢😢
Hi
I turned on the measuring block 093 in Obdeleven and the value -5 ° is constantly displayed even when the engine is switched off! Is this normal why does nothing change. I drive an A6 4f c6 2.0 tfsi BPJ 2006.
Is that normal? and also the -5 ° value? Chain and tensioner were exchanged last year! Unfortunately, when the engine is warm, you can currently hear rattling noises every 2 - 3 seconds!
I'm going crazy!
Hey, I have an AAX engine gti mk5 and I'm reading 5 degrees on my OBDEleven, the engine also sounds like a diesel engine. Would replacing the shorted timing chain on the top with the yellow tensioner fix the problem or do I need to go deeper down. I'm not even sure if there are more chains on my vehicle since I always though that it would be a belt engine.
Can you check this same measuring block on an fsi to check the cam chain tensioner?
What should be the value for 3.2 fsi VR6 AXZ engine?
do I need to so this cold start or csn it done after an hour of driving?