2.0t TSI Timing Chain Tensioner Update
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- Replace your old failure-prone TSI timing chain tensioner. In this video, we install the Updated timing chain tensioner on this VW 2.0t TSI engine. This issue has been covered very extensively by us and others. Take a look at the links below for parts and more details about this problem.
How to Check Your Timing Chain Tensioner
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2.0t TSI Basic Timing Chain Tensioner Update Kit
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Engine Mount Bolts for this Car
- 18mm Bolt Engine Mount to Engine Bracket
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-16mm Bolt Engine Mount to Body
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-16mm Bolt Engine Mount to Body (w Stud)
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Timing Cover Bolt (Qty 15 on vehicle)
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Timing Cover
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Crank Pulley Bolt
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2.0t TSI Timing Chain Tool Kit HERE
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2.0t TSI Crank Counter Hold Tool Only
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2.0t TSI Basic Timing Chain Tensioner Update Kit
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2.0t TSI Timing Chain Tool Kit HERE
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2.0t TSI Crank Counter Hold Tool Only
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This is great info - and needed. Although I'm surprised the Germans couldn't figure out a way to make more complicated.
I had this problem on January good to see I did the same job by myself and excellent video
Dang, that was way easier than my van, but yeah, still quite complex obviously. Thanks for the video. I'm looking at getting a vehicle like this and knowing how to do this really puts my mind at ease. Thanks!
Don't get a vehicle like these they're money pits.
@@noventay4 You sounds like Scotty Kilmer.
Love the Deutsche Auto magnetic bolt holder perfect product placement
Just changed mine thanks alott for the guide and it seems to have made it for now, I will test drive it and see if it still pop back up my old one was dripping abit with oil even before i've unscrewed it so it was already a sign
Great video! One note - the belt tentioner plate might crack A/C pulley. It is not big deal to take it out.
Wow. That is the biggest peice of cake I've ever seen! Thabks!
Excellent video, very clear, thasnk you very much man, i self will change the chain tensioner
You guys are absolute Gold with your videos. Yeah I know you don’t like me because I complained about the shitty mirror caps you sold me but you’ve made up for that by saving me thousands in VW dealership repair fees. Thanks guys!
Brilliant video and channel .
Did you use the same Torque Angle screws when tightening everything back together again?
Gracias. Well done video.
Another risk is damage to the lower timing gear or harmonic balancer if the splines on the faces are not correctly aligned. I have read stories of damaged parts and an out of time engine when it didn't go back together properly.
I had a timing updated chain tensioner installed in my 09. Was still getting rattles on warm-start rattles later. VCDS showed chain may been stretched on cam. Block 93 showed -4.50 cam phase adjustment. I did research, bought tools and did the chain too. Also I found the cam bridge screen broken and sitting in an oil passage. HIGHLY recommend doing chain as well so you dont have to go back and open this shit up again.
Mind helping me with some info on my 09?
Dam I wish had th balls to do it 🤣🤣🤣but then again😭😭😭
Did you replace the cam bridge or reuse it without the screen?
as always, great information and video - but you may want to check the spelling of "professional" in the written disclaimer ;)
Weird that the Url for the video almost looks like VW Golf (Vqolfw). Thanks for the info!
Could you help me understand why my Audi technician replaced upper timing chain cover with two gaskets and sealant on my 2.0L TSFI A4 2011 AUDI AVANT GDI (CAEB) engine? THANK YOU
Thanks Paul-Great video-I'm ordering the parts to do this DIY on my 2009 Audi A3. What's not clear as your arm was blocking it-was how to set the tensioner clip after you pull it. It appears it needs to be re-inserted on the piston but there's no visibility as to how or where it's placed on the tensioner/pully. Seems like a critical step. Please clarify for me! Thanks. As always-I appreciate the excellent videos and parts support from you and your team.
Great video. Thanks for posting it. How about a video on "How to reseal your valvecover on a 2.0 TSI"?
Here is a valve cover video, it's a PITA: th-cam.com/video/iqu2rEM4GLk/w-d-xo.html
In 2020 top vídeo! I m from brazil!!!
As to the timing chain cover, would a paint scraper and a hammer not make real short work of this?
Have a question. Did this service and after starting it up I’m getting a loud whine coming from the crankshaft area. Anyone have any ideas of what it can be? Car seems to be running perfect other than the noise. Also removed the accessory belt and the noise is still there.
Hi, Do you know where i can find a torque spec list for the head? I'm changing my valves on my 2010 VW 1.8 TFSI. (CDAA Engine)BR
I did this on my 2009 CC. I subscribed to alldatadiy.com and they had the service manual online with torque specs and sequences. They may have the service info for yours.
Nice work is the Audi s3 2.0 tfsi the same 08 plate
Thanks for sharing
Paul now that u have a repair shop can u do a video on a car that jumps timing and bend valves there videos on TH-cam but not on a fsi or tsi heads. My car is finally getting in for the timing belt breaking. We need this kind of repair for the community
Very helpful, although there are a few differences in the Tiguan engine bay. Lots of moving the engine up and down to get at the bolts, especially the Triple Squares, oh and when your strip out a stinking Torx screw. What is up with all the different types of bolt/screw heads in the same job? Next up it's, "Where the heck is that coolant leak?"
Hi. Excelent vídeo. I have a tiguan 2011, with the old model tensioner (80km) i checked the tensioner and i see 4 lines. What is your recommendation? a) Change the tensioner b) Change the tensioner and the Change c) don't to do anything and check regulary. Many thanks!
What happens if crank is of alignment from the markes when putting pully back on? How would you fix that?
I actually just did an oil change and only have 100 miles on that oil “it’s Amsoil full synthetic” so I’d hate to drain it to see how far my main timing chain plunger is out. If I pull the rubber plug to see the tensioner will oil come out? Or will all the oil be below that point? I ask because VCDS showed in Advanced Measuring Blocks the following:,”Camshaft Adaptation Bank 1 phase” = -6.90° I heard that spec is -5 to +5° so according to vcds my chain is stretched but I don’t have misfires or any P0016 codes.. the car was at operating temp when I scanned and only has 71k miles on a 2013 A4 B8 looking to see if I can remove the upper cover to measure as well as pull the tensioner inspection plug to visually see the plunger without draining oil.. thanks any help on this would be very helpful.. great video Paul
As Paul said, always check your timing prior to replacing the tensioner to see if your chain is stretched. My '12 GTI had the updated tensioner from the factory but started to stall due to chain stretch and the timing 093 measuring block being at +4.67. The stretch reached the point that the chain wasn't seated all the way on the sprocket of the variable intake cam and actually started to wear out the teeth on the sprocket itself. Though I didn't have to replace the top end due to a failed tensioner, I had to replace everything timing related (chain, guides, bridge) and the intake camshaft.
What mileage did you notice the timing chain stretch? Also, what's the acceptable range for block 93?
Ive heard +5/-5 but others say +4/-4. Mine was getting warm start rattles after -4 so I replaced it. Done at 112k
Like Ryan said, +4/-4 would be my guess because I was stalling out at light throttle below 30 mph at +4.67. Luckily the DSG is smart enough to automatically go into neutral when the engine stalls so you can keep coasting. This happened at 135k miles with 5k oil changes since new. Dealer told me it's common to the point they stock all the parts for the job. I'm currently at 146k miles and the car idles much smoother, with +1.01 measured.
T P - what is the engine manufacturing date of your 2012 GTI with the updated tensioner? Just curious in trying to find out the cut off date between the old and the new tensioner.
Build dates affected are late 2012 iirc which extend into 2013 MYs. Verifying visually by pulling the plug isnt too difficult though.
Around 10:10 min Paul magically and briefly has a tattooed arm!!
same at 19:33 !
Milley Vanilly
hey there deutsche auto parts! do you have any audi b8 tfsi timing chain tensioner installation video similar this vid i'm watching?
I love your videos, you are a great example of a modern dynamic company who cares for their customers. My one criticism about this video is that you really don't need to be so brutal getting the cover off, your hammering and prying is ruining the nice sealing surface, i found it easiest to start from the top of the cover where it meets the top timing cover, by slowly prying around the top and then squeezing a few painters wood stirrers (think popsicle stick) in and around I could get the cover off without any hammering and leaving the surfaces nice and tidy. It took me no longer than 5 minutes to get it off in a condition that it could easily be used again. Thanks again for your great videos though.
Good for you! Adding an additional $175 to the cost of the repair for a new cover is definitely a bummer! Note that if you don't replace the cover, you may want to consider replacing the crankshaft pulley seal in your old cover.
@@kellymurphystl Elring is an OE/ OEM producer for Audi/ VW. They have a the lower timing cover (06H109210AG; elring pt # 886650) for $90 via ECS tuning or FCPeuro. eEuroparts sells it for $45.00.
What mileage do you recommend doing this? I have a 2011 Tiguan with 55,000 kms. Worried I have a ticking timebomb.
Hey is the same problem on 2017 gti ?
Does the CCZ 2.0tsi engine also need the updated tensioner???
I have ok 100k on my mk6 gti. I was going to change the timing chain tensioner. Should i just change the Timing chain as well to save time and money? Thanks.
For the fact of chain slack and saving money on TTY bolts and that llower cover, I recommend it. It'll be pricey but might as well knock everything out at once.
Thought I heard you say you'd link the checking of the chain stretch via a scan tool (at 9:30 on the video). The video link I see is about checking the chain tensioner with an inspection mirror. Maybe I missed out the scan tool part. :(
th-cam.com/video/YtTOGPo4IsE/w-d-xo.html
are the parts the same for a 1.8 tfsi ? Thanks
Where can I get the donut tool you reference at about 10:20 to hold the lower timing chain gear in place?
They sell them on their website. Mine came with the cam lock kit that I bought.
Is this applicable to a 2010 Audi TT 2.0?
So I have a 2013 gli, is there any way I can tell on my vin number what month my car was made to see if I have the old or new tensioner?
Wh1t3_mk6 look on your driver side door panel. I believe if your car was made after July of 2012, you should have the revised tensioner.
What is the size of the torx head socket for the aluminum engine bracket on the passenger side that is just below the engine mount?
Adam Prine m12 zxn
Just did this two days before the video came out 😏
Corich52 how hard it was?
Great video demonstration. Do you think using a heat gun on the lower cover may help release it easier? $200 is pretty hefty for a new one. .
I have a 2014 Volkswagen cc 2.0 executive. From what I watched here should my model have the new revised timing chain tensioner? Thank you in advance.. I love your videos!!😊😊
Good day 👋🏼
I'm looking at a 2014 Volkswagen
CC 2.0T... 110,000 Miles.
Would you recommend getting It?
Nice car but I don't know much about Volkswagens as I do other
Makes.
And if I decided to take the leap.
What can you suggest?
Hi I had no problem with my 2010 CC sport but got 100000 mile on so i desited to change tensuner after i replaced the car run 3 second and all y intake valves got bent ! What could it be the couse ? Can aneyone tell me Wy i deednt prime in oil before i instaled ! Also my 2011 vw Tiguan i had changed all chains and all at timing but after i got installed and started i cant reved up over 1500 rpm ! I need help please i need some advise at both car ! Someone told me when tiguan got broke the chane / or jumped gear / timing maybe in limp mode ! How can i get it out without taking to diller 1????
I think it would be REALLY interesting to see Deutsche Auto Parts find a 'beater' TSI and buy one of those $70.00 ≥ TSI Chinese made timing kits--tensioner, chain, rails, etc--install it and see how it holds up! I cringe when I come across people that have left reviews on those kits and I wonder how much of that is stereotyping because of Chinese manufacturing.
Do you really need ot drain the oil? Just doing a chain on mine and no oil leaks when doing the job.
Do you need to drain the oil for this?
Were is your shop?
Wow great video and walk through. Thank you for sharing. We're preparing to do the same upper tensioner replacement on a 2012 Tiguan. When looking at the number of plastic guides/rails, would it make sense to replace the chains, rails and lower tensioner at the same time?
i would say yeah absolutely change them if you can, especially if your chain is stretched,
Every video I watch about this car talks me out of getting one .
They're great fun, but there's 3 or 4 critical points of failure:
Chain tensioner
Water pump
PCV plate
mid 13s and below were installed with this faulty tensioner. I blew one motor that way (combined with poor oil maintenance). Replace or buy one with the updated one
The water pump was known to fail, but there's aftermarket solutions that aren't bank-breaking
PCV fails before 100k. Getting an aftermarket catch can that *doesn't replace the PCV,* but rather fixes it (like the ECS Tuning or APR ones) is the accepted solution, but it's also not too bad to just keep replacing ($100) if you don't want to empty an oil catch can.
There are other problems (coils if you have a tune, RMS can leak...), but it's by far my favorite car I've owned. Proper maintenance isn't an option with these, though. I had a Scion tC before and I loved it, because I could run it ragged and not worry about it. 13k miles with no oil change? No problem. Mk6 GTI? Not so much.
Surgeon!
How likely is it for this old version of tensioner to fail? Would you say 90% of MK6 GTI with an old one would fail?
closer to 100 is my guess
did you drain the engine oil
Please help! Do I have to remove the lower cover to replace the inner tensioner the on that looks like a blck bolt? I'm doing this Job Tuesday 🙏
unfortunately after removing my timing chain, my camshafts rolled clockwise 2 teeth. I then replaced my timing chain. now the timing marks line up on both camshafts but my problem is that the crankshaft sprocket marks are no longer at TDC.
what should I do to align the crankshaft and the camshafts?
9:49 if you want to hear an old mans bones crack like that crank pulley did LOL
Looks like his friend's arm. Those bolts are tight.
Do you not replace the crank shaft oil seal while cover is off?
It's included with the new lower cover
Where is the link for the software check
didnt know i could just change the tensioner, as theres a updated chain. shall i change the chain?
Was about to upgrade on a 2010 tiguan I just got. But its been upgraded awsome.
My niece just got a 2010 Tiguan 2.0t...is this tensioner update for a misfire condition?
@@masonhoward2099 usually its dirty valves and hopefully not a bent valve
@@masonhoward2099 the tensioner is to keep the chain from losing time. Once it fails the chain will be loose and engine will be inoperable
@@masonhoward2099 i updated water pump($250). Fuel rail($200), air intakemanifold ($150). injectors($160) sparkplug ($40). And I want to buy a catch can with aluminum pcv for ($500). The check engine light is gone.
@@isackhernandez3691 yeah I understand what the tensioner is for...was curious if this is the problem with the car my niece bought...ran great till last week...now it's misfiring on 2 cylinders and popping P0016 cam code...I thought it was a belt engine because it has a plastic timing cover but I was wrong
What is the trick to getting that last triple square bolt out? I removed the lower 2 and the access hole is way out of reach to get to that last bolt... I feel I could maybe rase the engine with the engine support bar but that seems super sketchy. Any help?
If you're talking about the bolt on the mount bracket, I used the triple square bolt bit that I bought at OReilly and cut it down so it would fit in between the bolt and frame and then used a 13mm wrench on the bit to loosen the last bolt.
@@512kjt Nope. The highest bolt. I ended up adjusting the engine height with my support bar, I squeezed a longer triple square through a few crevices and made it work.
How do you know it was bad? Or just preventative?
Lol @12:28 paul said OOOOPPSSS
Does the tensioner problem apply also to the 1.9 tdi engine
No the tdi has timing belt driven
Need some help. I'm doing this replacement on my 09 GTI. I'm up to the point where I removed the the tensioner already and stopped there. The thing I'm worried about now is that I before I removed the crank pulley I aligned the notch with the green dot thats at about 11oclock from the pulley on the timing cover. So i'm guessing that its out of timing now? What should I do?
How do I know if i need to do this?
My timing belt stayed together never jump time or anything but my cam chain in the back snapped and busted through the housing do you think it bent my valves
Sorry to say but it sure did.
Deutsche Auto Parts thank you that's what I was afraid of might as well go ahead and order me a head fix this one for backup thanks
It's worth mentioning here that social destroyer is talking about an FSI, engine, not a TSI. They have a timing belt in the front of the engine that drives the exhaust cam, and a small timing chain in the back of the engine that drives the intake cam from the exhaust cam.
Are you sure you're supposed to walk the tensioner "fail safe" spring back to the base of the tensioner? I was under the impression that gap is to allow for some movement to occur before the damper bottoms out. If you walk the spring back, it might lock out the damper travel completely. I thought the tensioner would automatically set the proper amount of damper travel when you pull the pin and the plunger extends. Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to have that notch cut out in the collar at the base of where the plunger extends from. I know some mechanics do walk the spring back but some mechanics just leave it as is. Is there any official VW literature that explains the proper placement of the spring?
Just attempted this on my mk6 2014 Jetta se 1.8t and I got stuck at that engine support with the 3 triple squares. It’s the top one on the right that’s right up against the body I couldn’t figure out how the hell to get a triple square in there so I called it quits 😩
Nuevamente muy bien hecho,solo que ponle porfabor subtitulos en español,gracias
you guys need a "professional" proof reader
other than that great video and give the novice or other DIY guy a good general idea.
Mine was 220K and 8.4 degrees of cam phase adaption on a new tensioner so that thing can really take a lot of punishment.
Paul, how do I know if I have the old or the new tensioner? 2017 Tiguan Wolfsburg WVGSV7AX2HK020549
Thanks!
If I want to known about this tensioner issue I will not have bought my 09 Jetta come to find out it jumped time and bent the heads so $3,500 later lesson learned
DO FSI's SUFFER FROM THIS CAM CHAIN TENSIONER ISSUE?
No the BPY engine code FSI engines are timing belts not chains
So how much is this procedure?
Should I make an appointment or just swing by the shop to have my car checked out?
Always best to make and apt to ensure we can get you in.
Ok thank you
Tell us more about how to configure the little clip on the new tensioner's plunger. I could not fully follow what you were doing with it. "Double check to make sure everything is good" doesn't mean much to some one who's learning. Show us how to check the timing at the end of the replacement. Thanks
Does this tensioner issue apply to all MK6 GTI’s?
i beleived they revised it eventually in late 2012 build dates
I would say so. My tensioner failed on me, and as a result I had to buy a new engine from VW. Lesson learned.
When buying a used VW always change the Timing tension and chain to prevent catastrophic engine damage.
VW states this job takes 5 hours? It looks much more straight forward to me. How long did it take you?
5 hours lmao
I always let the bead of RTV dry overnight. Have done it a few times. Has never leaked.
Hi could you please send the measurements of that "spacer" bolt please
Are you talking about the bolt itself or the nylon spacer?
@@512kjt The spacer yes, typing error... meant the nut and not bolt sorry :)
Does this apply to mk7s?
No.
Professional.
Wow your new tattoos look awesome and it looks like you've been hitting the gym good job lmfao 😂😂😂😂
A couple of tips:
~ I don't know why that one 16mm bolt (at 3:54) has a metal extension on it (theft protection?) but if you don't have a long 16mm socket (I didn't), you can use the long 5/8 inch socket that you use for taking out the spark plugs.
~ Make sure to use a short triple square socket bit set for removing the bracket (at 6:09) , as a regular XZN bit set won't fit . I recommend the OTC 5942 short socket XZN bit set.
~ If you remove the upper timing cover, make sure to reinstall it before you reinstall the bracket and engine mount.
~ In my experience, all of the big bolts are tighter and stuck on harder, than what is portrayed in this video.
~ When reinstalling the harmonic balancer bolt with the donut tool, don't tighten it too hard.
The way you removed the cover gouged the seating surface. Bottom especially is aluminum. Nylon wedges or plastic.
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Is It Safe To Buy A
2014 Volkswagen CC 2.0T With
110,000 Miles ??
at 6:48 beware as those bolts are aluminum so if you drop them its a pain to find them and get them if they are in a tight spot lol.
You do this so weird. The trans and subframe mount are enough to hold the engine. So it’ll hang with those two. I remove top coolant line and swing bottle to the throttle body. I disconnect the fuel and evap and swing to the intake. All that room really helps
Also that lower cover should have the rtv put on in a line on the edge of the slits
You are the one who does it weird. It;s not normal to remove the engine mount and let the engine/gearbox hang.
@@dopiaza2006 lmfao. Word. Then take hours. I do it in 30 mins. I’m a 10 year vw tech…
Hi. How much do shops charge for this service?
$1200
What's the average cost for part and labor? My local dealer told me 1400$ for a replacement tensioner. But I would like another input to see if that's accurate
Steven Selden $800 at a independent vw shop to just change the tensioner. If you are going in, might as well change the chain and guides as well, which will push you into the $1200 range. But well worth it!! And with the lawsuit now, you might get the money back eventually.
cuda2000 okay cool, my Tiguan is at 122k and I bought it at 100k from a rental dealer. So idk if it's been changed or not
Another question , is there a way to get my pcv off without taking my intake off?
Two F’s in Professional ?? Lol just being that guy.. Great Vid btw
rod mommaerts ?
I love Volkswagen but that's why I sold them in got some fiat abarth lol
And this is the reason I traded in my mk6 gti for a cpo S3
Todd L why sir
Ser Michael this is a stupid maintenance item do be doing at 60k and there is still no guarantee
For my 2010 Audi A4, the dealer quoted me $1600-2000 for the job.
that cover is worth about 180.00 depending on your shop rate that gives you 1 to 2 hours to save that cover, i would not deal with your shop as you don't seem to care about your customers money.
These engines are hard to bend