Christoper Hitchens on Zionism and Modern Israel
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- An appearance of the late Christopher Hitchens on the Charlie Rose Show where he discusses his opinions on Zionism, Palestine, and the State of Israel
Relevant in the current context of the Hamas attack on Israel and the invasion of Gaza
“If Jews born in Brooklyn have a right to a state in Palestine, then Palestinians born in Jerusalem have a right to a state in Palestine.”
Well they would have their own state if they would choose diplomacy over violence
Like how they go thru the UN each year only to be rejected each year over and over by Israel and the US? Bibi has just said explicitly they aren’t going for the 2 state and is telling the US to F off about it. How much more clear can it be? Stop the charade.
@@Carlos-fc4xzspoken like a true ideologue
@@londonmadeeasy am I wrong in my statement?
Do you think an Arab Palestinian born in Jerusalem wouldn't live in Jerusalem if the Arab leaders wouldn't accept a 2 state solution?
Tell that to the settlers on the West Bank that use violence against unarmed Palestinians every day, and are protected by a super power army, the murderous IDF@@Carlos-fc4xz
His talks exposing Islam may this talk surprising. This shows that he was a just, rational human, genuinely irreligious without any animosity or prejudice. He knew right from wrong. A true modern civilised person.
thats one way to see it
"whithout any animosity or prejudice" LOL LOL LOL His anti-religion second career was built on animosity.
I agree with his views on Islam and Palestine, but it's such a shame that he turned into a straight-up neocon in the later part of his life, especially when it came to the Iraq war, he was a vocal supporter of it.
I personally agree with him, and I love Hitchens, but he was simply wrong on certain topics.
@@emailkolar4517 Just showed his human side, people get it wrong sometimes. It's just a shame that sticking to basic principles seems to be both a surprising and rare quality in public figures, especially journalists.
@@emailkolar4517I'm from Iraq and if you had come to Iraq like him and see the genocides perpetrated by Saddam, maybe you would understand him, he sees us like humans and not cockroaches unlike most of Americans.
"Zionism is [...] a waste of Judaism" is *chef's kiss*
Chef's kiss? What are you 15?
I wasn't aware old people weren't allowed to use certain words
@@jakemorrison2104 Well, now you know. It's a law under the title "How not to look like a douche'
@@robertwhitten265rather harsh. That expression didn’t bother me. And I agree with the sentiment
@@robertwhitten265 Is there a law under the title 'How to remove the stick up your as'? Hope there is for your sake.
It was a very British idea, and they delight in it. Carving up territory to their liking and appointing heads that owe them for it, is delightful to them.
The US learned well from them.
I mean, they were trying to do what was right 🤷♀️ Taking Jewish people back to where they came from? Britain and America save you all from Nazis, and this is the thanks they get 😂
its Rothchild idea Britch royals working fot them
As an English person learning more about his country's history every year, yes as a nation that is sadly correct
@@ra9im308 Actually,Amschel Moses Rothschild was engaged in trading various goods and exchanging coins, and was a personal supplier of coins for the Prince of House of Hesse. German dynasty. in Britain they known as Mountbatten.
It’s better to say, they work together. and “work” is not the right word.they own.
A true public intellectual. He is sorely missed.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
@@xstatic-ow5mzYes. Great analogy😅
yeah, shame that organised religion can't even compete with a broken clock...
@@bugzyhardrada3168rather think one is stupid and not comment than comment and prove it beyond reasonable doubt!
@@gideonkaufmann1899 its almost as if you're trying to say something....oh well sometimes it's best to not comment when you have nothing to comment and you just proved that beyond reasonable doubt. Well done sir.
I miss Hitchens very much.
He was pro-Palestinian when cooperating with the late Edward Said, but became a neo-Con on September 11th.
warmonger and Islamophobe as well as alcoholic, gay and atheist. What a way to meet God.@@johnmolina3284
@@johnmolina3284 He was an anti-Palestinian Jewish journalist, paid by Israel to preach anti-Islamic propaganda in the West.
@@johnmolina3284 He still opposed Zionism up until his death, in stark contrast to the neocons he became buddies with.
@@theironsheik6322 I am not aware of that. However, he still supported our holy "War on Terror" so he took that black mark with him to the grave.
Hitchens was a wise, rational man. People assumed he was a Zionist because he hated Islam but this shows his basic sense of justice about how the Palastinians have been mistreated. He's sorely missed.
He was a wise blood thirsty war monger
He was indeed a zionist as he hated Muslims. What he said in the video was all just pretending.
You fail to understand he to took a 180 degree political change.
@@daysjoursnot at all.
@@majdavojnikovic ??? Read his last writings. He was a big fan of Dick Cheney & co 🤣
After all America pays for it. Yea, Hitch was pretty clear and to the point on many of his thoughts, beliefs, and actions toward the undefended and those whose voices were often not heard. He sure got a lot of it right looking back over his lifetime of writings and statements.
This is the most rational explanation of the issue
couldn't agree more. Cuts though all the 'complexity' without being at all glib.
No religious state has the right to exist over our human rights.
This is why a palestinian state should never exist.
Rights are bigoted, self-righteous opinions by your godless and evil paradigm where all evil is justified because "Nature made me do it."
As wrong as Hitchens was about Iraq, he is as right about Zionism and the state of affairs regarding Israel/Palestine. Articulate as always.
You have it backwards. He was 100% correct about Iraq. That has been well proven. He is wrong about Zionism. No culture has stronger ties with any piece of land than the Jews have in Israel. That is indisputable.
"Hitchens wrong about Iraq" - the classic mid brow low info knee jerk bromide about Hitchens on Iraq. Meanwhile you wouldn't be able to begin to articulate Hitchens' actual position to save your life.
@@alienígena-e1p nailed it
@@alienígena-e1p another worshipper at the altar of Hitchens. He was witty, erudite and good at arguing, but don't get carried away. The fanboy in you is very transparent.
@@paulconnelly4050 Your facility for pronouncing assumptions from ignorance clearly knows no bounds. I evaluate a position on the rigour of its argument and the quality of its evidence - not on who holds it. Hitchens had his share of less than deft takes but *you* wouldn't be the one to recognize those.
Seriousness,this guy was deeply independent and honest.
Nope. 😂
Because it’s NOT a matter of principle. It’s a matter of POWER.
Jews made a massive mistake, or rather, were pushed to make that mistake by declaring israel as a state in 1948. Power changes hands and it's only a matter of time before a major power rises that's not particularly fond of israel
Thank goodness we can speak truth to power (for now)
God rest Christopher Hitchins. I hope I'm not posthumously offending him by saying that!
I can't say I always agreed with the man but I always wanted to listen to what he has to say.
That is probably the greatest compliment I could give him.
Hey, Paul: Unfortunately, Hitchens will not rest following the resurrection at the End of the Age. Jesus Christ / The God of the Bible will judge mankind and those who opposed Him (such as Hitchens) will be sent by Jesus to what the Bible calls the "second death."
In a way, Hitchens and other atheists will get what they expect: nonexistence. However, once they've seen Jesus Christ in person and gotten a glimpse of the life hereafter, they'll want to stay. But they won't be allowed to because God will not abide unrepentant sinners.
They will be led away to the second death and the Bible says they will weep greatly and literally grind their teeth in unimaginable sorrow at having rejected Jesus Christ during their lives on Earth.
These tragic people will not suffer in Hell forever. The Bible does not say that people will suffer in Hell. They will experience the second death and will cease to exist forever.
I hope and pray that you are or will become a Christian during this lifetime. Remember: God wants no one to be lost. He loves you more than any human being ever has or ever will.
Take care.
@@ItachiUchiha-qv8nx why would that be then?
If he’s not ripping your own views and beliefs to shreds… he’s spot on and brutally honest. I always respected his hard line, no nonsense approach.
warmonger and Islamophobe as well as alcoholic, gay and atheist. What a way to meet God.
God rest Hitchins.. 👀
I wish we still had the benefit of his wisdom in 2024
The man was still dumb enough to think waterboarding wasn't torture. It wouldn't be effective if it wasn't. He really didn't need to try it to know.
Yeah. I thought Sam Harris could be the best substitute but in reality he just hates all muslims.
If Jews born in Brooklyn have a right to a state in Palestine, then don’t Palestinians born in Palestine have a right to a state in Palestine?
Well, when you put it that way, that sounds very right…umm, I mean anti-Semitic.
(We mustn’t think logically about these things or we might start getting the idea that we’re being lied to by our leaders and corporate media).
He was one of few critics of islam that actually supported palestine
"Someone come to my house with a book on his hand says, sir according to this book this house was belong to my ancestor 2000 yrs ago, therefore can you pls leave this house " he continued " how can anyone take this claim seriously" Prof. Norman Finkelstein.
The land was bought pre 1948 according to British property law. No theft.
@@jasonrose6288 how many of them was bought?Bcos Palestinian stopped selling land to zeonist long before 1947 after they got the hint about their plan. During that time zeonist only own about 5%. So how did they get the rest?
Not to mention the same mandate promised arab sovereignty and self determination over their land as war efforts in fight against the Ottoman.
@@syafiqsya465 Arab Palestinian never stopped selling their land, even after they started using terror against Jews it was too financially beneficial so they wouldn't stop.
In 1947 Jews owned about 7% of the land, Arab Palestinians owned around 11% of the land.
After the 2 state resolution came about the Arabs started a civil war and only then did they start losing their own land as consequences of war.
@@syafiqsya465 Two points.
1) Most of the land within the British Madate was unsettled and undeveloped. It was desert or swamp. How do I know? My grandfather was involved in the project of making the desert bloom in the late 1920s and 1930s. The Arabs weren't interested practically in most of the country.
Whatever territory came into Jewish possession did so in a way that was consistent with British law and policy. The British did not permit the Jews, or anyone else, to steal anyone else's land. As I said, most was unsettled and unwanted. It was all secured legally regardless.
2) The Arabs were given the opportunity to share it by the 1947 UN Partition Plan. Under that plan, the Jews got mainly desert - certainly none of Jerusalem or any Arab towns or villages. The Arabs not only said no, they rejected the plan by launching a civil war.
And then when Israel eventually declared independence, Israel's Arab neighbors invaded - and got beaten. The Arabs have both said 'no' ever since and been trying to wipe Israel out ever since.
And when Israel defends herself against a brutal attack, you all cry 'genocide.' Yet you are the ones that dream of real genocide every waking moment.
עם ישראל חי!
@@Carlos-fc4xz Palestinian did stoped selling land bcos they already knew about British plan. It became worse after they knew about belfour declaration.
British took more immigrants from Europe which cause more tension which cause the aggression ,which came from the zeonist as well btw.
British used these immigrant to fought local population. They gave this zeonist weapons and military training. The two state solution was done without consent local population and land that allocated to arab was unfair. After British left the mandate, those zeonist used this chances and started evicting and burned 500 villages which we know today as nakba that's what started the war.
The land that taken during that war was illegal by standard of UN , therefore it is occupied territory and Palestinian never agree to give up that land.
The only time I ever agreed with Hitchens.
Let's not forget he cheerled the the illegal invasion of Iraq which led to the deathbof 2 million+ civilians.
I’m came here to say the exact same thing, what a rare instance that Hitchens speaks truth.
Why did he do that? It was nuts.
warmonger and Islamophobe as well as alcoholic, gay and atheist. What a way to meet God.
@@manbearpig7521 Because of western chauvinism and Islamophobia. And because new atheism as a social movement, despite its claims to being purely humanistic and rational, is more or less allied with liberalism, which despite its name and being centre-left is in many ways a conservative political ideology.
@@mistergray9664 but Iraq was secular Baathist and Islamic. Did he just think all Arabs need controlled. I don't believe in Islamaphobia btw, mad Westerners invented that to shut people up
I'm a very PATRIOTIC American (overly patriotic, actually).
But, in the case of support for Israel, I'm truly ASHAMED.
@machonsote918
It’s not your doing man, it is unfortunately the work of an ‘elite’ society wanting domination over the world.
Like it almost seems America has a debt to pay to Israel, a very big one. When it should be the opposite way.
@@beijo3969: Yeah, like paying REPARATIONS..........to the JEWS!
Good. You have common sense.
As a fundamental moral case, it's a poor choice to continue to blindly support Israel, however I believe there are geopolitical interests in doing so that involve the U.S continuing to seek leverage in the middle-east.
It's a truly tenuous state of affairs, and sadly, neither Israel nor Palestine has any meaningful member of leadership that seeks a diplomatic solution.
Hitch telling that truth like he always did, sure miss him. The world really needs you now bro!!
The "inventor" of Zionism Theodor Herzl was not a religious person at all and the majority of the Jewish settlers who built first kibbutzim a century ago were secular idealists.
I highly doubt that he was not "religious at all", but I'll take your word for it if you looked into the history of it. However, the idea of creating a Jewish state in Palestine IS religious in its nature just as much as it is nationalistic, because it is IN THE NAME: "a JEWISH state". Palestine itself is a land regarded holy by Jews, along with Christians and Muslims. Zionism is a religious idea in its core that turned nationalistic by including land and advocating for segragation.
A@@mjabdelrazzaq agreed
Israel is approximately 8,550 square miles. New Mexico is a little over 121,000 square miles. There's a LOT of empty space in New Mexico, and none of it shares a border with an Arab state. You can see where I'm going with this...
Think of the advantages... it would end the excuse for all the hatred in the middle east [notice I didn't say it would end hatred, just the EXCUSE for it...], it would cost less to defend Israel if they were already on US soil, we would benefit even more from their amazing tech industry, they have some of the hottest women in the military, they would turn their portion of NM into a freakin' oasis inside of a decade AND it would be much cheaper to ship the ultra-liberal Jews to Hollywood or NY. Everybody wins.
YES, this is meant to entertain... but - tell me where I'm wrong.
They already own the whole country of the US, why would they settle for just New Mexico. And the last thing the US really needs is more jews as one can see by the decay and degeneracy the ones already here have caused.
What would the native American tribes think about the idea, though?
@@Willowflat16 I don't know. Should we ask them?
I'm pretty sure the return of God to earth didn't involve Jews living in New Mexico.....
Not only it is a silly idea it is criminal.
We miss you, Hitchens 🙏
He was not too rational regarding religion, but on this one, he got it right : Israel is not a religious project.
The political state of Isreal has as much right to exist as Nazi Germany did. The existence of a human being is not dependent on the existence of a state.
You Americans might not be able to pronounce it but you're sure as shit going to learn how to spell it.
Israel. Is-rae-el.
Nazi Germany's right to exist was terminated by most of the planet because of what Nazi Germany did. States that carry out genocides have NO right to exist. (That's also international law, by the way).
Created by a majority vote of the UN.
The existence of Jews in the Middle East is dependent on the existence of Israel. An evidence for that is the dynamics in the Jewish population of all surrounding countries. You probably have no knowledge of the modern history of the region. At the same time Nazi Germany had every right to exist as it was recognized by all surrounding countries. The only reason it ceased to exist was the fact that it started a war it was not able to win due to the insanity of its leadership.
And of course any plan to eradicate any possible German state (spoiler - there is still a German state today) was not better than Nazi policies of Einsatzgruppen which were actually used with a similar goal on the occupied territories.
1948 Arab-Israeli War
Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war, over 80% fled or were expelled. The other 20%, some 156,000, remained. Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants.
I respect this man
warmonger and Islamophobe as well as alcoholic, gay and atheist. What a way to meet Allah.
I have zero respect for him.
This man was a rabid islam hater and antitheist. Don't let his surprisingly moderate view on the occupation of Palestine fool you.
Good for you
@@JeffShacter cry me a river
Breath of fresh air after seeing Dawkins' utter implosion of reasoning.
There reason a Palestinian state is not there is because the Palestinians never did, and never will want "another" state there, they want the ONLY state there, and he said himself, as bad as the original idea may have been, undoing the Jewish state now is not an option.
He was right
there is a consideration to make though. why many jews who were citizens in Germany Poland Russia and other countries in the 30s decided to leave everything they had and knew to go in a foreign land they knew nothing about? It wasn't because of the persecutions they had to bear? Do you think they wouldn't have preferred to remain in their owns countries (since being jew is not a nationality) and live their lives in peace as doctors teachers nurses clerks and so on instead of becoming farmers in a far away land? those who persecuted them have responsability for the creation of the state of Israel and some of them are the same who hate them now.
That makes sense. And I think if the Holocaust hadn't happened, there might have been no Israel. Because of the Holocaust, there were thousands, possibly millions of European Jewish refugees who had nowhere to go.
I share a similar view to C. Hitchens. I no longer have faith in Theodor Herzl's political Zionism.
He was my favorite "anti-theist" and often spoke lovingly about his mysterious Jewish mother. I spent so much time listening to him debate about religion and exposing the corruption of the Clintons and their foundation that I never thought to look up his opinion on the Israeli occupation. His death was such an enormous loss. R.I.P. Hitch.
Affirming that there is no God is silly, even if it was said by Christopher Hitchens
Too bad our leaders can't match this level of intellectual thought.
@@user55book I will follow Epicurus' philosophy on that matter.
" Yet his very own brother, who has scrutinized the family genealogy, has concluded that he and Christopher could not be more than 1/32 Jewish-a drop of water in a quart of Scotch."
@renemartin5729 Who knows the truth. I still remember when Chris Cornell was a guest on the Howard Stern Show and said that his mother was Jewish. It was total crap.🤣
Wow! He genuinely spoke about how he saw the situation of having created an Israel state on Palestinian land. He spoke the truth. ❤
It was Egyptian and Syrian land.
@@synewparadigmNo it was ottoman land, King Amir Faisal should have gotten it for fighting the ottomans, but his dumb ass trusted the British as honest people which was every colonies stupid mistake
@@synewparadigmnot even that, it was British land they gave up on
And now we have to entertain some Arab fantasies about the land belonging to them somehow
@@moazim1993No, it was always Jewish land. Brits, Turks etc. were mere caretakers until the Jews returned to Zion.
I salute you sir for speaking the truth.
atheists are truthphobes.
Big up to Christopher Hutchins
Very good points well made, and true!
after 1948 700k arabs were told to leave Israel by arab leaders from Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon and 200K arabs decided to stay and their grandchildren today are living in the land their grandparents owned in Israel with the same rights as everyone else
Are you 12 years old or what?
@@Cobbido and you believe people from quationable sites?
@@roronoazoro8789Israel embarked on a campaign to destroy Arab villages. It was very successful.
@@LanceAlot-ku1sy name three Arab village that were destroyed by Israel. I can name you three Arab villages that live peacefully within Israel territory
@roronoazoro8789 I'll give you four; Qatra, al-Mansi, Fajja and Jusayr. Then I can give your more. Many more that were ethnically cleansed and/or destroyed.
I was a bit worried about watching this knowing some of Hitchens views, but I made myself as it's good to try to hear all views and Hitchens had normally some interesting things to say even as I disagreed with some of them.
Glad I did. He was very reasonable and rational in this.
I don't see why people are using this as a hamas- supporting statement. Christopher was always anti-Islam and he fought against radical Islamists like hamas, the sharia law state wouldn't be any better than zionism, and every middle eastern country is ab example
Bear in mind that according to Jewish law ...he was a Jew and had the ' right of return '. Of course he was more intelligent than that.
The zionist law ...
@@creoken8772yup....indeed. its not a proper law.
Even though he's only 1/32 Jewish..just like most all other Jews have predominantly European ancestry. Whereas people with 90+% Semitic blood should leave the Holy Land. That's Jewish Logic for you.
Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi Jews, so not European. He also wouldn't have the right to move to Israel either, he needs atleast one Jewish grandparent which he doesn't have at 1/32. Educate yourself before spouting rubbish.
@@Alex-cy7wg according to the Statistical Abstract of Israel ...in 2009...50.2% of Israeli Jews were Mizrahi. So you are technically correct. But 50.2% is not exactly most.... if you round it down you get 50% which is half. Just saying....
After all you seemed most anxious to correct others who are unaware of the facts.
I'm surprised to hear this
Differences aside, totally agree on this
He was critics of relegion not like today racists
@@nikhilhembrom8952
Atleast consistent
As amatter of principal he is right .
Rights are bigoted, self-righteous opinions by your godless and evil paradigm where all evil is justified because "Nature made me do it."
only shows how little this man knows.
the difference between a jew who was born in Ny and a palestinian in jerusalem,that jew will never think he have more rights than someone else to live in Ny,and definitely won't try to kill them because they have different religions...always makes me giggle on westerners talking about palestinians
What if that Palestinian's parents or grandparents migrated from, say, Egypt, Syria or Lebanon? Many did just that.
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes ... Israel
What lie?
Israel's right to exist does never supersedes the right to exist of other people
God bless you Mr Hitchens
Excellent!
Wise words!
Overshadowed by his warmongering and Islamophobia.
@@auntiesemite9295 That's up to Islam to sort.
Rights are bigoted, self-righteous opinions by your godless and evil paradigm where all evil is justified because "Nature made me do it."
I think we have a misunderstanding.
In 1947, the UN split Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews said, the Arabs said very violently "NO".
In 1948 Israel declared independence and the arabs started a war over this and the arabs lost and were force to walk away by the Arab leaders. If you think this is unreal, just so you know almost every land was claimed that way.
Forced to walk away? Israel destroyed and ethnically cleansed over 400 Arab villages
Facts.
Hitchens is not 1% biased when it comes to riligions....he says its BS straightforward doesn't try to be friends with any side like modern atheists like AP and others
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The perfect application of logic.
atheists hate logic. They contradict the first law of logic. A is A. They say non-life is life.
He passed on too early. The world needs people like him to fight all these religious bigots.
He drank like a Templar and smoked like a chimney. Throat cancer was the result of.
Hitchens the turd is burning now for his ingratitude, conceit and lies.
3 Intrested Facts:
1. God gave the land to Israel
2. Israel never lost a war
3. Israel has nukes
3 حقائق مهتمة:
1. أعطى الله الأرض لإسرائيل
2. لم تخسر إسرائيل أي حرب قط
3. تمتلك إسرائيل أسلحة نووية
تكوين 17: 7-8: "وأقيم عهدي عهدا أبديا بيني وبينك وبين نسلك الآتي، لأكون إلها لك ولنسلك الذي يأتي من بعدك، كل أرض كنعان التي أنت الآن فيها وأقمت غريبا، فأعطيك ولنسلك ملكا أبديا، وأكون لهم إلها».
Genesis 17:7-8: "I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your offspring to come, to be God to you and to your offspring to come after you. The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your offspring, and I will be their God.'"
Jews reject Jesus. They lost the right to the land. Repent of Zionazi heresy as I did.
if a thief have a right on what they steal then justice system must be a ....
Islam built a mosque on the site of the original Jewish temples. Islam are the squatters and theives. Archeological fact.
And just look at the Palestinians today, in October 2023! 😪
I think they were trying very hard to move the much concrete rubbles and bury many killed people. Oh maybe they have to buy fuel from Israel to cook or boil water. Billions $ you say?
@@thepianocornertpc They do what a terrorist would do: build rockets, dig tunnels, plant bombs in the streets. And they have the audacity to play victim here.
@@keithframe3489 Hamas did that. It doesn't mean the Palestinian people agreed.
@@keithframe3489 You're acting as if Palestinians are jumping in joy to have their money stolen by Hamas to build rockets. ANd yes, they are the victim since they live in an open air prison away from their homes in occupied Palestine called Israel. Where have you been pre october 2023?
e west bank is a proof that Israel is the agrressor @@keithframe3489
Support the original partition plan and live in peace then? Don't launch wars and expect flowers back.....
This shows that he didn’t know anything of what’s going on here in Israel
1:49 jews from Brooklyn
He forgot to mention Jews from Arab lands.
You mean the handful that were there 🙄😒😒
what does an atheist mean by "a waste of judaism" ?
His positions were very balanced compared to Sam Harris.
Who sounds like a total right-wing extremist when it comes to Palestine
Harris is a dunce
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Doesn't sound totally extreme right-wing to me.
"I think it is obscene, irrational, and unjustifiable to have a State organized around religion." - Sam Harris
@@jayAh635Is he speaking about Israel?
What a great mind Hitchens had.
Christopher himself was Jewish which means that he was perfect and never made a mistake.
Hitch was an atheist man 😂
" Yet his very own brother, who has scrutinized the family genealogy, has concluded that he and Christopher could not be more than 1/32 Jewish-a drop of water in a quart of Scotch."
@@renemartin5729 don't get there , you can't afford to open that can of worms 😂 If some people for some reason want him to still be jewish then let it be, sadly he didn't believe in heaven otherwise he would be surely laughing at us 😂
Jews like my sister in law who can trace their family back 9 generations in Jerusalem have a right to live in Israel too!He was a smart man but he's so wrong on this subject.Zionism didn't begin in 1948 like so many people mistakenly believe.
Wow! What diametrically opposite views to those held by his brother!
yes, they are.were at odds on most things.
Ever heard his brother's views on drugs and addiction? They are borderline childish and down right stupid.
Peter Hitchens is a dopey charlatan, washed up.
warmonger and Islamophobe as well as alcoholic, gay and atheist. What a way to meet God.
Might have been posted 3 months ago but Hitchens died many years ago. However I totally agree with him.
It would be helpful, transparent and a whle lot more honest if these clips included the date they were filmed in order to provide context. Be part of the solution rathe than part of the problem.
It mentions the Bush administration and is clearly later than HW's time, so it's not exactly without any sense of context.
@@XhoowieX But doesn't give a date. You've derived an approximate date and inferred context. Far, far better to clearly state when the film was taken. Not sure why you're so opposed to this.
@@SuperMiloBass you're asking 'why' without first establishing 'if'.
@@XhoowieX Again, you're trying to dodge a very simple question with a deeply flawed argument. Just be open and honest and include basic information relating to the source of the material being presented.
@@SuperMiloBass I'm not trying to dodge anything. You asked me why I'm opposed to something that I'm not opposed to, and that you had no reasonable cause to belive I was opposed to.
And given that neither my comment nor the video are anonymous, it's quite frankly bizarre that you now seem to have decided that I'm the uploader.
My original comment was an attempt to help you to place the video in context. Maybe a simple "thank you" will do next time somebody tries to help you.
Why indeed. Because the IS establishment doesn’t want two states. Never has done otherwise it would have happened.
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want.
Simple. Very simple.
It's not a thousands of years matter.
Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris should watch this.
Why? I’m pretty sure they’d both agree with everything Hitchens says here.
They’d more or less align with Hitch here, he doesn’t say anything outrageous here.
They are zionist Islamophobes who only agree that israhe11 can do no wrong.
Harris has so far been disappointingly one-sided on the recent events, even espousing unverified statements to the point of sounding like an Israeli shrill@@blue24563
Yes, and they would both applaud his views.
PUT the year of this clip in the description, ffs.
I think this was a rather simplistic explanation! Palestinians were given many times the opportunity to a homeland,but they found the idea of having Jews as neighbours as repugnant!
But not all share this view, because there are over 2MILLION Arabs living in Israel!
In addition, this whole notion of “a Brooklyn Jew of the right to Palestine” is absurd, as we both that he would be severely prosecuted should he move to the Jew hating Palestine. As much as I admired Hitchens, his argument would be weak here.
@@sylviaowega3839 His comments were based on a very naive position..Much of the Land ( now used& taken over by settlers) was nitially seen as a ' Buffer Zone' for Israelis ( and as we've seen in the last few months rightly so)
HE should have been the president
No righteous ppl ever become president. It is a rat race full of corruption.
It's surprising how Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens differ so much on this issue.
Haris’s opinion on the matter is an absolute joke, dare I say it’s 100% powered by his racism and hate towards Arabs.
Sadly the only Horseman with clarity on Jewish extremism
Sam Harris said it best: "This is the great story of our time. For the rest of our lives, and the lives of our children, we are going to be confronted by people who don’t want to live peacefully in a secular, pluralistic world, because they are desperate to get to Paradise, and they are willing to destroy the very possibility of human happiness along the way. The truth is, we are all living in Israel. It’s just that some of us haven’t realized it yet."
We are seeing quite a backlash in Europe over Muslim immigrants. I think the writing is on the wall. This is not just Israel's battle. It's just the canary in the coal mine.
Ps- Hitchens' Jewish mother (who knew!!! Great minds) was right about Israel. He should have listened to her and better understood the founding of Israel.
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"We the civilized white people are secular and liberal, we just want to live here peacefully, while these ba(ba(ic M_slim Arabs want to un-alive us."
I've heard this rhetoric by so many Israelis, it's really amazing.
My grandmother, a Christian, was forced to flee her home in 1948 and live 7 years as a refugee in Lebanon.
A very close friend's grandmother, also a Christian, fled her home in Haifa in 1948, and returned to it only to find a Jewish family living in it. She never got it back.
The grandparents of 2 close friends of mine, also Christian, were forced out of their hometown in 1948 by the Israeli Army, and when the Israeli Supreme court recognized the villagers' right to return, the Israeli Air force de$troyed the village (see Kafr Bir'im on Wikipedia for reference).
Almost all of my friends and family, Christians and Muslims, are secular, feminist, support LGBTQ rights and all the other nonsense that you like to wash yourself with, and we still suffer from the occupation.
And if you think that the Jewish settlers in the west bank are "secular and pluralistic", then I have some news to tell you.
His Jewish ancestry is distant. More like 1/8 or the like.
Amazing that if I say the opposite I am censored. Why do you think that is?
@@buldog98000Honestly, the world is full of refugees. Wars have displaced untold millions. Everyone seems to keep moving forward except the 'Palestinians.'
Thank you so much for speaking up❤
He’s soo hot
Yes. He's hot in hell.
What a terrible argument. I was born in the USA have relatives in Scotland but I have no right to their citizenship
I think you misunderstood him. Rather, Hitchens stated through reality that a Jewish person from Brooklyn could relocate to Israel. But a Palestinian, born in Jerusalem would be a second-class citizen. He did argue for the former, but said, if it’s true, the Palestinian should be equal.
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That’s nonsense if you live in Israel every citizen have the same rights.
@@cwkay6847 this is fundamentally not true. There’s empirical and qualitative evidence that shows Palestinians living in occupied WB and Israel do not have the same experience of Jewish Israelis. Do you have any thing more than anecdotal evidence?
I agree with many of Mr Hitchens's beliefs, but this video starts with him making a very wrong statement, a statement that sadly a lot of the world has been fooled into believing: the land named as Palestine was not the land of the arabs right from the start. Instead, two related Israelite kingdoms, Israel and Judah, controlled much of Palestine, while the Philistines occupied its southern coast. The Assyrians conquered the region in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE, until the Ottoman Empire conquered the region in 1516 and forced the Jews out of their own land. The State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established until 1988 when the Palestine National Council meeting in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine. So no Mr Hitchens, Zionists do have the right to live in their democratic state of Israel and long may it live.
If we are going back to "right at the start" Canaanites controlled the whole area before Judaism even existed, and Jews and Palestinians alike can be linked back to that common forefather through DNA tests.
Not withstanding the fact that Judea (where Jerusalem existed) only lasted for about 350 years, before it was conquered and was rarely again controlled by the Jewish peoples. Indeed they were exiled at least once (First by the Babylonians, although they largely just exiled the upper classes in the 5th century BCE), and with some finality by the Romans (around 100 AD) to the point where the number of Jews in the region was really quite tiny. Islam has been the presiding religion in the area since its creation - despite the best attempts of the Crusades. So, the timeline you present is close enough to confuse people, but is significantly off and gives a false impression.
Palestine was actually created after World War I (1921 I believe), when the British split the area into Trans-Jordan (becoming Jordan) and Palestine.
For example there are clips of Golda Meir showing her Palestinian passport. Israel was then created out of a part of Palestine. Israel does not follow the original borders of either Judea or Israel.
I fail to see any "right" to occupy that particular space beyond that provided by religious zeal, although for balance it is worth mentioning that there are numerous Jewish people who oppose the creation of Israel. However much like Mr Hitchens, now Israel exists (no matter how bad an idea it was in the first place), it would be problematic in the extreme to move it anywhere.
@@rowdkyl5365 The point is that there is no such thing as Palestine until the British call it that in 1948. And even then, there was no recognised palestinian state until 1988. So when absurd and very misguided idiots march in the West and chant "Free free palestine" not only do they chant for the eradication of the state of Israel and its people, but they don't even know who's freedom they are chanting about! The West should be very grateful that Israel exists and keeps radical extremists muslims that surround them in check. We all know what appalling acts terrorists can do in our countries in the name of Islam and I for one, am very grateful for Israel and its people.
@@rowdkyl5365 Agree with everything you say but re problematic in the extreme, no less problematic than the permanent evictions of the Palestinians except things being as they are Israelis 'd get a lot more support.
@@gillps5130I mean that has made the odds that a nuclear powder keg might explode at like 50/50.
@@rowdkyl5365 The Jews have a far stronger claim to spurious claims of connection between modern Palestinians and ancient Canaanites. You DNA swabbed any Canaanites recently? Too funny. A very thin veneer of intellectual depth you offer.
If Hitch were alive today, Harris and Shapiro would be hopelessly overshadowed by his far more nuanced and empathetic analyses of politics as a whole. I would love to have heard his opinions on the Trump presidency. I’d imagine he’d invoke Orwell and go hard on the cult-like attributes of MAGA
Arab lands? That’s Saudi Arabia.
Always put date on important interviews or events . People in west should understand importance of past and present in order to build the future.
I love Hitch and would have agreed with what he says here back in 2003, but this was twenty years ago and things have changed. Israel hasn't been in Gaza since 2005. Zionism is still dumb, but Hitch's greatest quality was to change when the facts on the ground change.
If jews aren't in Gaza then what are they blockading?
They ate blockading a genocidal authoritarian kleptocracy that would rather acquire rockets to launch at Israel than do something to advance the interests of their people
There are 21 (illegal) Israeli settlements currently in the Gaza strip. So, it would be highly inaccurate to claim the Israel hasn't been in the Gaza strip since 2005. They are still there...
@@koolbee3081 They're not fucking in there. Any state would blockade their border with a state that constantly launches terror attacks against them. Also, Gaza has a border with Egypt that Israel doesn't control.
@@redbaron6805 Hilarious. Can you name them?
Too bad Sam Harris wouldn’t agree with Hitchins on this topic. I used to like Sam!
I think he Chris was referring to the incoming Jews. In
In 1948, 1.4 million Arabs lived in Palestine. Not a heavily populated for land the size of NJ.
Today there are 5.3 million in the State of Palestine (3.2 million in the West Bank and 2.1 million in the Gaza Strip), 1.7 million in the 1948 territories,
You will be amazed if you searched the population densities of all Arabs countries from Algeria to Saudi Arabia.
Should we make Israel over all of it?
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Man I love logic.
Rights are bigoted, self-righteous opinions by your godless and evil paradigm where all evil is justified because "Nature made me do it."
Palestinians do have a state. It happens to be called Jordan & is 4 times the size of Israel.
Maps of 100 plus years ago show Palestine to be modern Jordan plus Israel.
If Palestinians don't like the government of Jordan then that is a quarrel between Arabs - one of very many I'm sure.
Jews have two states: New York and Florida.
Jordan is jordan and palastine is palastine 2 diffrent lands and countries stop the liessss
well said
What seamed as a dream in 1880 is no longer a dream in 1980 (when this interview was held). There are more (successful) farmers in Israel then there are university professors. This prooves CH wrong or at least surprised. But why should it be of any surpize? Is it wrong for a Jewish person to be a farmer? or a bus driver? or iron worker? or anything else?
I'm surprised someone with such atrocious spelling could make such a good point about the elitism in the statement of suggesting that a person's salvation could not be found in farming.
No but it's wrong for a Jewish person to stand by quietly and let a government representing them commit wholesale atrocities.
I mean his statement that there will never be peace there, spot on.
I mean agriculture is a tiny percent of the work force. But there are like a million farmers in the US and probably a couple hundred thousand university professors so makes sense.
Where can I see the whole interview?
Try TH-cam. It has a lot of this sort of thing. Charlie Rose is the interviewer.
Is there a Charlie Ross archives? Maybe on pbs
Hitchins is very wrong about Islam but his stance on Palestine is commendable
What was he wrong on?
His points have been proven right time and time and time again .
Of all the religious islam is the worst and most dangerous.
@@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Sure, bro. I believe you with your old post 911 rhetoric about Islam XD
@@fallasleep9472 yes bro. Assuming you've never watched tv, or been on the internet, you keep believing islam isn't an insane ideology invented by men, for men, in a desert.
@@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Yet Islam the fastest growing religion in the worly
@@TheFatMan which proves they can replicate? And?
Hardly an endorsement of truth.
on point
So, when it was u der the Persian empire, what will you says against Iranians?
Wait Hitchens who says some of the absolutle dumbest things about religion and God is actually saying something that I agree with. Wow.
His views changed over the years, lol this was before his falling out with Edward Said, before Israel pulled out of Gaza, and before Hamas became the ruling party of Gaza. So you are technically misrepresenting him by ignoring his latter amendments to his views.
Anyone know what year this was recorded
2002 I believe
Thank you