Thanks for the idea! This is actually part of my curriculum when I teach at university. I rely mostly on the work of Gershon Shafir, who was my adviser for the PhD. Once we finish with the chronology of the conflict, I hope we will devote some videos to thematic issues, and Hebrew Labor will definitely be there! Thanks, Arnon
Thank you for many "hmmm, that's interesting" moments. I attended the jSpace webinar on September 8, 2024. Very helpful. Are there like-minded academics that you'd recommend inviting to an in-person presentation in the Toronto area? Don't need to be fully in agreement - looking for critical thinkers that can add dimension to Israel/Palestine. Palestinian/Arab speakers would be most welcome.
@@allenflaming4498 Thanks for the note - please share and stay tuned for more videos. As for your question, you can email me (Arnon) directly to arnondeg@gmail.com, I'll do my best to help.
@@TheConflictShow Just want to say I am also in the Toronto area and would be very excited to attend any talk you might give in the GTA. I think JSpace and NIFC would be enthusiastic as well. Maybe even IJV (this one I am more dubious about but you never know).
Very nice! The Iron Wall has always been a core reading of my courses on the conflict. And I also point out that Jabotinsky considered the Palestinian Arabs to be the natives. And it makes sense, because in the 1920s, being on the colonialist side was more desirable and seen as more civilized. As for the overall narrative, you can also frame it in terms of complexity science. Jabotinsky couldn't have foreseen all those consequent developments because they hadn't entered the realm of possibility yet.
Something worth mentioning other than Jabotinsky simply comparing to other settler/native conflicts is he also explicitly refers to Zionists as a "colonial" entity, specifically using the word colonization to discuss these events. Something you would be laughed at for suggesting in modern Israeli political talk. A way to look at this text in my opinion is Zionists like Jabotinsky viewed the forming of Israel as a sort of tragedy, that they 100% knew will bring with it war and the deaths of Palestinians and Jews. A necessary evil if you will for the ultimate goal of building a Jewish state.
The in depth review of the Palestinian POV arises some points. But you have to remember that that land is also the native homeland of the Jews and hosted Samaria and the Kingdom of Israel. You posed the religious justification, when in reality the modern historical justification from what I have seen is the continuous presence of Jews in that land from the 2nd millennium bce.
Thanks for your comment. There are many justifications for Zionism, im this video, we tried to show how Jabotinsky, one of the greatest Zionists ever, understood that these were all irrelevant for the Palestinian Arabs.
Is the 1920's they weren't "Palestinians", it was a region name. I think its biased to differentiate Palestinians from their Jordanian and Egyptian neighbors so early on. Their identity was not set in stone. Nor have I seen this video account for the Jews residing in the Levant before the Zionist movement, Mizrahi Jews, or the Ancient Jewish population.
I think episode 3 and 4 will make up for the gaps. Jabotinsky did however base his ideas in the Iron wall that the Arabs of Palestine (Palatinski Arabme) are somewhat distinct from other Arabs.
Interesting take but it seems to be somewhat leaning in favour of Palestinians. Israel has one of the strongest military in the world right now so if he was correct why haven’t the Palestinians tried a more diplomatic approach? It seems like every offer so far they have been rejected. There was also a lot of antisemitism in the Middle East at this time period so it’s simply not accurate to say this played no role. The grand mufti of Jerusalem was an honorary guest of Hitler and approved of the Holocaust. Jews were viewed as dhimmis in the Middle East for centuries. Palestinians never had an independent state in the region. It was controlled by the ottoman so I am not sure what gives them the right to be the only group to control it. The Jews greatly developed the land of Palestine when they arrived. The Arabs should have welcomed this instead of repeatedly trying to eliminate them.
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Wonderful. You keep up with the pace of the first episode. Good luck with the future
Fascinating, and extremely well written and edited. Great job!
Great framing of the conflict, looking forward to next episode!
Thank you! Perfect stranger who in no way should feel obligated to comment positively on this episode!
I hope you do an interview with Louis Fishman. Best historian of Ottoman era Palestine and Zionism.
@@inanna1997 we'll see what we can do
Hey! Palestinian here! Good video, I suggest in the future making an episode of the "conquest of labor"/hebrew labor.
Thanks for the idea! This is actually part of my curriculum when I teach at university. I rely mostly on the work of Gershon Shafir, who was my adviser for the PhD. Once we finish with the chronology of the conflict, I hope we will devote some videos to thematic issues, and Hebrew Labor will definitely be there!
Thanks,
Arnon
Just want to say thanks for being here, as a Jew I am grateful to see Palestinians here, and am looking forward to learning with you
Thank you for many "hmmm, that's interesting" moments. I attended the jSpace webinar on September 8, 2024. Very helpful. Are there like-minded academics that you'd recommend inviting to an in-person presentation in the Toronto area? Don't need to be fully in agreement - looking for critical thinkers that can add dimension to Israel/Palestine. Palestinian/Arab speakers would be most welcome.
@@allenflaming4498 Thanks for the note - please share and stay tuned for more videos. As for your question, you can email me (Arnon) directly to arnondeg@gmail.com, I'll do my best to help.
@@TheConflictShow Just want to say I am also in the Toronto area and would be very excited to attend any talk you might give in the GTA. I think JSpace and NIFC would be enthusiastic as well. Maybe even IJV (this one I am more dubious about but you never know).
Very nice! The Iron Wall has always been a core reading of my courses on the conflict. And I also point out that Jabotinsky considered the Palestinian Arabs to be the natives. And it makes sense, because in the 1920s, being on the colonialist side was more desirable and seen as more civilized. As for the overall narrative, you can also frame it in terms of complexity science. Jabotinsky couldn't have foreseen all those consequent developments because they hadn't entered the realm of possibility yet.
Great piece of work, well balanced.
Glad you like it!
Something worth mentioning other than Jabotinsky simply comparing to other settler/native conflicts is he also explicitly refers to Zionists as a "colonial" entity, specifically using the word colonization to discuss these events. Something you would be laughed at for suggesting in modern Israeli political talk.
A way to look at this text in my opinion is Zionists like Jabotinsky viewed the forming of Israel as a sort of tragedy, that they 100% knew will bring with it war and the deaths of Palestinians and Jews. A necessary evil if you will for the ultimate goal of building a Jewish state.
The in depth review of the Palestinian POV arises some points. But you have to remember that that land is also the native homeland of the Jews and hosted Samaria and the Kingdom of Israel. You posed the religious justification, when in reality the modern historical justification from what I have seen is the continuous presence of Jews in that land from the 2nd millennium bce.
Thanks for your comment. There are many justifications for Zionism, im this video, we tried to show how Jabotinsky, one of the greatest Zionists ever, understood that these were all irrelevant for the Palestinian Arabs.
@@TheConflictShow Thank-you for both replies. I'll stay tuned.
Is the 1920's they weren't "Palestinians", it was a region name. I think its biased to differentiate Palestinians from their Jordanian and Egyptian neighbors so early on. Their identity was not set in stone. Nor have I seen this video account for the Jews residing in the Levant before the Zionist movement, Mizrahi Jews, or the Ancient Jewish population.
I think episode 3 and 4 will make up for the gaps. Jabotinsky did however base his ideas in the Iron wall that the Arabs of Palestine (Palatinski Arabme) are somewhat distinct from other Arabs.
Interesting take but it seems to be somewhat leaning in favour of Palestinians. Israel has one of the strongest military in the world right now so if he was correct why haven’t the Palestinians tried a more diplomatic approach? It seems like every offer so far they have been rejected.
There was also a lot of antisemitism in the Middle East at this time period so it’s simply not accurate to say this played no role. The grand mufti of Jerusalem was an honorary guest of Hitler and approved of the Holocaust. Jews were viewed as dhimmis in the Middle East for centuries. Palestinians never had an independent state in the region. It was controlled by the ottoman so I am not sure what gives them the right to be the only group to control it. The Jews greatly developed the land of Palestine when they arrived. The Arabs should have welcomed this instead of repeatedly trying to eliminate them.
Leave us more things for the next episodes, and notice, you maybe blaming Jabotinsky for being Palestinian leaning.
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Many people forget that for a time the Lehi also courted the Axis