Clone shootout - Tweed 5E3 Deluxe vs 18w Plexi {which is better?}
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- Both amps are hand wired on turret boards... tubes are JJ. both amps have tube rectifiers and are as true as possible to the original component values, layout and architecture, but nothing is "new old stock" both amps were constructed from currently produced components. The Marshall clone has celestion gold alnico, where as in the deluxe a weber signature alnico was used, but both speakers seem very well suited for these amps...
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That tweed Deluxe just ate that Marshall for lunch
Yeah, I'm a Marshall guy but I have to admit that Tweed sounds stellar. It has a great chime and a perfect sounding speaker. However, even my DSL40 sounds better than this Marshall. For whatever reason, it sounds pretty lifeless here and the speaker doesn't breakup nicely(IMO). Cheers!
These are clones, so that may not be so for originals.
Who made the 5E3 clone. That thing sounds amazing
Leo Fender was a genius
Yep, 5E3 is a monster
This also really displays how different speakers have an effect on overall tone!
Very cool video. The tweed destroyed the Plexi. I just picked up a Marsh Tweed Deluxe with a Weber Alnico and it's one of the best amps I've ever owned by a long shot.
Great job recording and comparing these amps.
Both sound great and look f*cking awesome!
I play a 5F1. Really like what you're getting here.
That tweed rocks my world
The 5E3 has more charm to me.
like them both in their own right
Videos like this really make me wanna go practice to escape my guitar mediocrity. Very nice video and playing.
I looove the tone of the 5e3 - me wannit. But I looked at mabel online, and once things added up, it started to get as pricey, or more, as other kits due to shipping from China. But damn, you've really got something there. Great info. Thanks.
I procrastinated for a long time regarding mable because there's no buyer protection except what you get through paypal, but I've purchased several Items, I had to wait 2 months on 1 purchase, then only a week on others. I think they don't always have the inventory in stock and you have to wait sometimes. but they've sent everything I've ordered. they communicate via email okay...
Ahh man they doth sound great. Nice 'real' playing too. Cheers
Ooh both sound awesome, I have a a 18watter combo similar. Think I need a 5e3 to go with now 👌
Neither is better. They are both incredible amps. I own both and sometimes I feel like taking the tweed out and sometimes I feel like taking the Marshall 18 watt out. Both have Celestion G12H30’s in them. Tweed is warmer, Marshall cuts through the mix better. Depends on what tone you’re going for.
Both are equally great. How the hell does a person give this a thumbs down?
Maybe the thumbs downer was 16 years old and hoping for more distortion... Definitely some sweet tones in this video.
I have both, both are great but totally different.Here's your school example of the difference between a british and an american sound.The 18w has a lot more clean headroom and a rather "chimey" sound (a bit like a vox)The 5e3 has the best dirty sound in the world(imo) and I use it most in "roots music" breaking point gain situations and works best with low output guitars.The 18w takes humbuckers better (cleaner and brighter).
I built a 5e3 in Dec and.im building the 1974 now. It's interesting to see this comparison.
Tweed for sure!
They both sound great and similar. And I see now when people say 5e3 are Marshall’s in tweed clothing. The 5e3 has some sweetness the Marshall lacks. Thanks for sharing.
That's true. The JTM45 is the Marshall that really has the Fender "tweed" sound.
Really, like Bruce say, the marshall is a clone modified of the 5e3 Deluxe
The 5F6A Fender Bassman circuit was used as a template for the JTM45. When a 5e3 Deluxe is overdriven, it really takes on "that" sound of an early Marshall. The JTM45 used a GZ34 rectifier, so you get that "sag" that lends itself to that tweed sound. The later Plexi and Super Lead amps did away with the tube rectifier.
@@FernandoRR66 A good example is playing some Malcolm Young (early AC/DC) type chords on a cranked tweed deluxe. No surprise that you're hearing "that sound".
I read that those early Marshall based his sound in the tweed circuit, included bassman, i m not an expert, but own a tweed Deluxe 5e3 and can sound like a Marshall in function of the guitar, tube, etc
Tweed is my choice.
Phone camera recording for a shootout?
They both sound great. I prefer the udea of clones with modern components!
Im think to buy a Mojotone clone of Bluesbreaker 18 watts, n' after a Tweed deluxe 5e3.
I have the same Weber speaker in my 5e3 except the cone is ribbed to tighten the bass up. It is crazy how sensitive that speaker is(5e3 is only 12watts). It doesn't like my Strat like yours does.
Would like to hear a vintage spec les Paul through these amps. That's where the fender really shines, and I'm guessing the Marshall would add well.
Hi, very nice demo, i prefer the Marshall, more midrangy. And, how do you get the sound at 2:43 please ?
Great work and Thank you !!
I settled on my 5e3 clone with a Jensen P12R witch is the same with the Jensen P12Q as far as I know, but with 25W rating instead of 40W witch i think makes it better suited for home use (lower headroom and faster breakup). The other speaker i've tried is an Celestion Creamback 75W witch was nice too (and way more efficent) but I feel the Alnico Jensen is better suited for the bell like clean tones. Great speaker lineup though.
5E3 has that bell chime. Was the Marshall even plugged in?
Slugg0matic lol
I think both amps sound good, but you're not getting the range of each amp. They are also different designs. I build amps and have one of each of these hand built with good components. The marshall 18 watt is a tighter sounding amp than the deluxe, which compresses quickly. This due to the different circuit designs. The 18 is a more punchy sound, but the more saggy nature of tweed makes it sustain a little more quickly. If you get the Marshall to 7-10 then you get a nice crunchy distortion. If you turn the deluxe to 12 it gives out. It's the nature of it. The trick on the deluxe is interaction of the volume controls. You have to fiddle with it but it will give nice results. The deluxe is really a plug and play amp and not a great pedal platform. The Marshall does that better, but is also great with just a cable. So I don't think one is really better. They both are great, and even more fun if both are used at the same time.
Nothing like a good Strat into a Marshall.
Nice SRV licks 🤙
What about the volume difference?
I'll take 'em both....pack 'em up and send me the bill. Later you can build yourself another one. The reverb pouch in that Fender better not have a 2x4 in it though!
Arch Stanton
can you please tell me from where you have purchased these kits
Depends on what you're after for tone... I have a heavily-modified 1974x and it will do ANYTHING I ask it to. The 5E3 is a blues-box or country-style clean, it does "rock", but not like the Marshall-circuit, that's for-sure ! 18-watter wins this comparison.
They both sound good but the 5e3 sounds much better. I like the Marshall cathode follower but the tweed breaks up prettiest
What song is played at 2:06? It's gotta be a SRV tune but I can't seem to place it. The Tweed all the way, no contest.
What were the settings on each amp? Seems like they were dialed for different levels of volume/gain. I'd love to hear a comparison with the Marshall opened up a bit more to match the Fender ... and without the echo!
Yep you need to wind up the marshall a bid to show what it really does
You did not announce or make clear which amp you used
What 5E3 clone is this? Is it the original circuit, or have mods been applied?
Seems like the Marshall is cleaner? They compliment each other well
Jacob Fuller I have both and the Marshall 18wt has way more headroom ...
Unbelievable tone from the 5E3 circuit. Great job playing too. What kit did you use or did you build from scratch? I’ve got to have one!
I don't remember my log-in for this account so I'm using my band account to reply... Both these amps were built with parts from a company called Mable audio located in china. Marshall combo cabinet was built by Sourmash USA. The 5E3 cabinet came from Mable Audio and was built wrong as the speaker was centered in the baffle and that doesn't work because the speaker magnet and output tubes didn't clear one another, I had to build a new baffle. the 5E3 cabinet is pretty much junk but I still use it, the tweed isn't even real tweed, but more like tweed looking tolex... I will eventually replace the cabinet with a sourmash or mojo cab. The jewel assembly that came with the 5E3 was fake plastic, but all other parts in the kit seemed ok except the Chinese filter caps with F&T german caps.. I've been using the 5E3 on blues gigs exclusively for the past 6 months and have had no problems. I've got 10 amps including vintage marshall stacks, blackface Super Reverb, real 59 bassman, but for my TX blues trio I use and prefer the sound of this cheap 5E3 clone over anything I own... If I were going to build another 5E3, I would not order a cabinet from China, apply that $100 towards a better cabinet made in USAI also used the bluesbreaker on some gig;s it does good also, except ! gig was 4 piece and the other guitar player was going through a 45 and everyone was playing so loud I couldn't get enough headroom with just 18 watts and wished I'd brought an ego stack... :-)Kindest RegardsDW
Thanks for the reply David. Did you incorporate any mods to the 5E3 kit or did you build it to original specs? Also what speaker did you use? I’ve listened to a lot of 5E3 clones but I’ve yet to hear one that sounded as good as yours. That Texas blues tone is the sound I’m looking for. I’m researching kits now but haven’t decided on which one to go with. I think the speaker choice is going to play a big part of getting that tone.
I experimented with revoicing the amp a little in an attempt to make it more Les Paul friendly, but wound up going back to stock because I didn't like the as good as the stock and just tweaking the tone pot. I tried a few speakers, I was eventually turned onto the weber alnico classic, The gold alnico Celestion seemed to bright, and a cream celestion seemed to dark, vintage 30 seemed to stiff and The old alnico Jensen I have didn't seem to hold up to the low notes. The weber takes the abuse and handles the bottom end and has a velvety break-up that was very pleasing to my ear.. Speaker selection is -key with these little amps for sure. I had to take everything I thought I knew about amps and speakers, toss it out the window. I studied Keith Richards and other's, turns out a lot of 70's rock was actually recorded with 5E3 deluxe, ZZ Top especially, and also a lot of Eagles recordings Don Feilder "one of these night's" solo. There's a video On my channel titled Ladies Night where I used this amp, check it out and see what you think, it's un miced with a 3 piece band... Kindest RegardsDW
Very nice playing and tone on Ladies Night Out David! Just a couple of more questions if you have time. I see Weber shows a few different Classic series speakers on their site. It looks as though only two of them would be fitting for a 5E3.... the 12A100 and the 12A125H. The 12A100 is rated at 15watts and the 12A125H comes in 20 and 30 watt versions. Exactly which one are you using? Any doping applied (Light, Med, Heavy)? And my only other question is what tubes are you using? Thanks again for taking the time to reply. This is going to save me a lot of trial and error......and money! Lol
I chose one of his 2017old stock 21A125-A - 30w light dope, apparently I'm hard on speakers so it was what Weber Recommended, also there's a 5E3 builder out in California, I believe his name is Rondo... He has a youtube video (Tweed Deluxe Volume and Tone Control Demo) that demonstrates in great depth how the tone and volume controls interact with one another both patched and un patched. for consistency and convenience I've been using mostly JJ tubes, but I'm sure there's another world of sound character that would come into play experimenting with RCA, Tungsol, etc...
The Fender sounds awesome but the Marshall, at roughly equivalent volume, is not going into breakup like its supposed to do to sound like a Marshall. So, yeah, everyone is going to pick the Fender.
Beautiful tone both.
Bluesbreaker is versión TBM (jcm800) o it's 1974x Clapton's Bluesbreaker?
I love this video, I see n' hear many times.
Bluesbreaker is a JTM45 in a combo with tremolo, which is different from a 1974 and a 2203/2204 JCM800.
Yep the Deluxe with reverb and the Marshall should have a lot more volume and either P90s or buckers.
5E3 the best
You need to raise the volume on the Marshall.I own both and the Marshall is a totally different beast ..
Is the Weber classic alnico the same as the Weber Signature Alnico?
I don't think so. The Signature is a little cheaper. Still a great sounding speaker though. I have one in my 5E3 Tweed.
The weber in this amp is the 12A125-A like they sell on reverb.com
Easy.. tweed deluxe.
Mmm! Damn!
Because you're not speaking into the mic, I have to adjust volume everytime notes are played.
Both great but the ;Marshall was better to my tastes. Like to hear it cranked
Can a Tweed Deluxe play nicely in a rock setting with a drummer? Man, that thing sounds nice!
Ask Neil Young.
this is that same tweed deluxe in a bar setting... th-cam.com/video/Z4-TMOi2rgw/w-d-xo.html
Can you imagine a Tweed Pro against those two?
Marshall sounds thin and hollow, fender kills it!
The Weber speakers are the shit. I’ve been using them for over 15 years.
Sounds good! Wish they were mic’ed up
I don't know man, I love both these amps but the Marshall would sound better with a green back or vintage 30, I don't think the alnico is as nice as in the 18watt as in some other circuits.
The Marshall wasn't cranked enough, I didn't really do the Marshall justice in this video. A greenback would probably sound more authentic to it's original design.
The Deluxe by far, fuller and clearer sounding, while the Plexi sounded quite awful, very boxy.
The Deluxe sounds way better.
5E3 clear winner, can you please share the exact reference and wattage of the Weber Alnico speaker used here? it’s amazing dude!
the speaker is a Weber Classic Alnico 21A125-A - 30w with light dope... he was selling direct on reverb.com, around $100 as I recall. Great Speakers .... kindest regards DW :)
Is this a fender or another tweed
Who made this tweed deluxe
sorry for the late response, I created this 59 bassman account and forgot the password, but to answer your question I built both of these amps...
The Marshall lacks presence. Fender...for the win.
Marshall
Usually fender smooth, marshall for balls. always has been prob always will be. Both would have been better making their old stuff.
putting effects on them for a demo just confuses things and masks the sound, that's not helpful.
I totally agree! It drives me nuts when someone is demoing an amp or effect and they clutter up the signal chain with extraneous effects that only "muddy the water" sonically. What are we really listening to? I don't have a problem with stomp boxes at all, I have a bunch of them, but if you're putting out a demo video, you're not helping the viewer/ listener by "adding ambience". This is especially confusing to someone who doesn't know what a "clean blackface Fender" or a "chimey Vox AC30" or a "brown Marshall Plexi" is supposed to sound like. At the very least click it on and off during the demo and indicate to the viewer/listener when you're doing so! Thanks for letting me bitch! Your playing was on point, though.
its an aby box for switching the amps totally transparent - no effect. --- correction, there is a delay box. although it is an effect, it doesn't change the eq, boost or add distortion.
@@alfred2509 Agreed.
There is no comparing these 2 amps with just a single coil Strat. The marshall design is layed out for humbuckers...not for single coils. The fender amp design is tailored for Strats.
Agree . I love fender amps. I love Marshall amps. When you put a himbucking les Paul into the Marshall it comes alive. It's like it was meant to be together. Kind of like a tele through a deluxe
Dude your Guitar is tuned to E flat
Neither amp has or needs reverb, or whatever other stomp box you stuck in front of them.
Useless comparison
thank you
"ambience"
A VERY BAD SOUNDING MARSHALL....