'Ello again lads; took awhile but here's Calibornia's video. After a long stretch of writers block and extensive editing, it be here. As always, cheers for your patience folks; I love the lot of you
Glad to hear that I’m not alone in trying to figure out how the hell you build Cailban. I feel like trying to figure him out is almost as much effort as trying to make a Chroma build NOT focused around vex armor.
the same can be said about Hildryn but you don't need a load of health to be good because shield tanking is a thing take Mirage for example she has pretty low HP compared to a lot of the other frames but she has both damage buffing and damage reduction and with helminth you can open her up a lot more be it using Gloom to boost her survivability or using Energized Munitions to make her a better gunslinger in short Caliban falls in with frames like Volt and Mag which rely on their shields to tank instead of being like the lazy mummy (Inaros) which relies on nothing more than his health but loads of health doesn't make you a tank and many frames prove this
Because if he didn't have shields the sentient friends would have to give him heavy health DR to compensate or make him yet another no shields high health warframe to slap arcanes on to make invincible without effort like inaros, grendel, or nidus.
Now that you mention this, I recognice again, that Atlas 3rd got swapped to behave like this D: (although I haven't used him as much to farm for mods, though).
I MEMBER! IT SUCKS TO BE THERE WITH YOUR FRIENDS, MAKING CONVERSATION AND JUST STAND THERE SPRINGLING SALT ON THE FLOOR AS I GET ONE CORPSE TO POP SOME CANDIES In all serious though, I was glad that change to affect a radius, so I don't have to seethe and mald when there is a frame that disintergrates enemies as they die, like nova, saryn and ember....
Technically it was more efficient back in those days, and now it has a delay before it desecrates a corpse so while it works on hostile mechs in iso vaults their bodies vanish before desecrate can activate some of the time.
Best quote ever: "Warframe AI have the aim of an E-Sports player injected with 500 grams of Red Bull mixed with fentanyl, so they dont feel their spine snapping when they twitch shot."
Classic DE. This is why I RELIGIOUSLY hate DE and everything they do nowadays because they never listen to the playerbase until they're FORCED to listen.
Caliban needs some fixes, but they're not huge and he already has a great foundation for these ideas. One thing I'd throw in is more variety to his Sentient summons, like throw in Brachiolysts, Battalysts, and Aerolysts. So he has a Melee spin shield heal unit, a long range unit, an attack AOE unit, and a team health regen unit. Oh and get rid of the enemy cap on Sentient Wrath because it's dumb.
They should have allowed him to select different types of sentients via a Minelayer/Quiver sort of menu. If he could summon any number of three or four different types of sentients, it actually would have made sense why you only summon one at a time. That could have also dictated what bonuses he gets from synergizing the summons with other abilities. I. E. he gets the vacuum effect Trib mentioned from melee sentients when he uses his 1, but enemies hit by sentient rage take adaptive damage from all sources if you're near, say, a support specialized sentient.
Having played Oberon for... YEARS as my go to comfort frame? Caliban ... surprisingly? Has taken that spot. Flawed? Yes. His 1 is garbage and immediately gets replaced. His 2 is solid, though i would love it to be uncapped. His 3. I wish it was less clunky. His 4: 'everyone in that direction has no armor Ever.'
I LOVE his current state instead of his restrictive garbage BEBLADE, let's all hope DE would listen to any of trib's suggestions. He seriously need buffs tho
I have to agree with you on the Oberon comparison. A full Armor strip zone with his 4 and a damage invulnerability , CC zone with his 2 Caliban causes a lot of damage at all levels.
I've missed you. I like our spinning boi he's alright but I don't like him as much as the MIGHTY SEER by any means. With all new frames he will find his footing in a couple months. His passive is a step in the right direction for the game but you're 100% right about it
@@cactus5615 what was the purpose of saying that, you have done nothing but irrated others with your bad opinions that nobody asked for on their choices and what they enjoy, please, shut up and get a life
To make his 3 better, I have an idea ( your idea about the Crew buffing the Gyre is great as well). Hold cast to summon a Battalyst instead, to give the Crew some ranged potential. Even better might be to summon a single Summulyst (the nether portal lookin ass sentients) , so you have both ranged coverage and a flow of new minions, assuming the Summulyst stays alive. Great vid as usual
Your point on bringing "the crew" into your spin, alongside what another commenter (Lucas Fraczek) suggestion of different/more types of buddies to cycle through would be perfect. Each sentient has a bonus thing it adds when paired with the spin. You are encouraged to use all of them, and more abilities, therefore, more synergy within his kit. Players could still choose to spam out one type of sentient for one reason or another, maybe they each provide a different passive for what ones out. So as is, our melee buddies give shield regen+over shield. The other types could be a higher stack on "Great Value" Adaption, so you arent making players choose between shite off-brand adaption or the real deal. Maybe one gives a damage boost to weapons, or a minor health regen one, etc etc. Have them tie back into his passive, so they also give boosts to the allies within affinity range. It would make caliban a decent team support, being able to throw out a crew that could provide additional adaptation or shield/health regen for allies. Hes a second oberon basically, jack of all trades, master of none. Nothing he could put out would ever outshine the ACTUAL support frames, but hes a decent middle ground for a bunch of roles.
It's actually great that Caliban can heal himself, provide himself shields, strip armor, increase enemy damage, and can summon potential cannon fodder.
@@biomechanicalcyber-jesus7573 I don't think you know how his healing works, he heals by hitting his enemies with Razor Gyre. The rate of healing depends on the enemy count and I believe power strength.
@@laneleach Correct, but if you are facing higher level enemies like even sortie level the enemies will damage you faster than your healing can heal you. You'll be an easy target because you're stuck moving very slowly or you'll lose all your stacked damage from Gyre. Even with the additional healing, using Razor Gyre is a fantastic way to kill yourself
@@laneleach you can’t heal if you can’t hit enemies, as I said with all that trash on your face you as good as dead meat! tested multiple times - garbage ability.
I think the lesson we can all learn here is that Sentients make kinda iffy Warframes and we should just stick to weaponry until the Archons end up being another lich type bosS- I always enjoy seeing you upload, always wonder what you have to say when another frame comes out
Nah my revnant can kick ass, like when you get the sweet spot that fucker is baruk level of kill bayblade, but this is the problem revenant kinda to the spinny killy thing already.
Haven't played Warframe in two years now. I rely on you and Shy (mostly just you now) to keep me up to date on all the stuff that I'm glad I don't have to farm and level.
I come from the future and calibans rework is the most fun thing ive tried i didnt think he was worth it... Until i played his rework and holy cow i love this bisected boi
Always good to hear a Wayne audio clip in my favorite warframe creators' videos. It's happened, like, twice. My test for warframes is taking them to saturn proxima, solo, NOT BUILDING FOR INSANE EFFICIENCY, arming them with basic, non-aoe weaponry, and trying to raid a single crewship. If the normal weaponry is regularly functioning better than most of the frames' abilities designed specifically to synergize into dealing damage without sucking the energy dry, then there's a problem. It's a basic test of "can you clear out this narrow, AI-pathfinding-bottlenecked area with a small number of tough and scary dudes flowing through it, using the tools your frame gives you to handle for dealing with this exact situation? And if not, which thing was causing issues?" In Caliban's case, his Razor Gyre and its stupid "hold click to power up, but it also chews through your energy at a growing rate, but ALSO if you use that same button while an enemy's toe was in your reticule, you teleport to them and lose all that damage, but ALSO the conceit of health regen to offset vulnerability is shattered by healing slower and even more costly than Oberon's 3 when Nekros is in town, but ALSO you can cast sentient wrath while spinning, but you aren't rewarded for this energy-draining maneuver during this vulnerable state by any extra Gyre damage output beyond Wrath's normal enemy debuff" is what takes him from an interesting concept to absolute garbage. He's way too energy hungry for too little payoff and, just like your verdict, I genuinely could not figure out what DE wanted him to be, despite there CLEARLY being a recipe for something decent.
Trib I love your videos and your upload schedule is absolutely fine to me. You do what you want. You’re in this because it’s fun and we can always feel your passion.
It's nice hearing you enjoyed your vacation, and this editing is incredible Edit: This might be me being too cynical, but i have the feeling DE purposefully restricted the summoning number, so they could turn it into a future "band-aid" augment
Caliban gives me the vibes of he saw Revenant use Danse Macabre, thought 'I can do that too!', but instead got himself into a situation where he's spinning leagues faster and can't slow down.
To add onto some of his issues, the tick rate of the summon's spin damage does not match its animation and it even whiffs its normal attacks at point blank range, somehow. The summons also end Sentient Wrath prematurely if they hit an affected enemy. Regarding Razor Gyre, as if it wasn't bad enough, its energy channeling gets worse both the more it is charged AND the longer it is active, just like Grendel's 1. It genuinely is awful to maintain. Great video as always, enjoy your hiatus, can't wait for Elden Ring shenanigans if you decide to record them. I've posted on the megathread for him regarding my own feedback, but to compound your own suggestions: Razor Gyre: Remove that godawful energy drain scaling increase. In addition to the dash not consuming charge, allow Cali to deactivate Razor Gyre w/o losing charge immediately. Make it decrease by a small percentage per second after a duration while out of Razor Gyre, but if you use his other abilities the decay stops and the duration resets. Fix the synergies not working and make the energy drain when boosting damage a small, flat value instead of getting more expensive with higher values. Lastly, either innately or via augment, allow kills to add enemy HP onto the damage charge. Ya know, make it like Splinter Storm/Maim. DE could even go as far as give Cali additional benefits to a higher Gyre charge, such as better efficiency and other abilities inheriting some or all of Gyre's charge for their damage, but I won't count on it. Sentient Wrath, personally I don't like the ragdolls going wherever they want. Just tether them to their current location on hit or make it exactly like Rhino's Stomp w/ a debuff attached, idc. Lethal Progeny, fix the attacks whiffing, increase the damage tick rate for its spin attack, and, if Sentient Wrath is unchanged, fix the Progeny ending Sentient Wrath prematurely on hit.
I dont care how long it takes for you to make new videos, I will watch them all, few times. World at its current geopolitical state, needs you and your videos. Dont stay in the coffin too long.
I remember thinking of a Sentient frame with an tau energy minigun/cannon hybrid arm as an exalted weapon and would be a pure dmg dealer Oh boy, if only we got that instead, Caliban is okay but I think the idea of going around, ripping hordes of infested to pieces with the minigun and demolishing squads of grinneer with the cannon would be absolutely badass
@@clgr1323 I was thinking that the design would have his/her (never decided on the gender) exalted weapon which I've mentioned, an ability that gives dmg reistance up to 90% which can be given to allies, but it would be a dmg resistance across the board unlike something such as adaptation, an armour strip in a similar way that we got with Caliban and a reflective shield ability which reflects a certain amount of dmg back onto enemies
His 2-3-4 rotation is quite nice! Only his Gyro feels very off. Debuff enemies with 2-4 and you can use his 3 as a shield gate button when your shields break.
My biggest gripe with Caliban is his 3. Having to cast it 3 times spending 75+ energy cause of course I’m running blind rage for that max strip is a pretty big problem. But it’s Caliban’s source of survivability too and half the time they don’t shield me and I can’t recast my 3 either to maybe pray to their Ai to actually shield me. I always die when my sentiments refuse to shield.
I think of him as a tanky debuff-support like Garuda. His 2 and 4 make enemies die to the slightest touch, and his 3 is decent survivability via shields and distracting enemies. I like to subsume Shock/Smite/Nourish over his 1 and use it to buff up his summons and teammates for even more damage amplification, the progeny can actually kill stuff pretty well when all your buffs/debuffs are up.
Definitely agree with your changes. Razor Gyre just really needs to be stronger. There is a use in not immediately casting the minions for shieldgating. I caught that Bad Apple outro.
OK hear me out and it might be heretical but I replaced his one with Revenant’s reave. It’s thematically accurate and provides more healing and survivability ability then his original one did
But in this case... Why don't you just use revnant? Better spinny thing, better survivability and mobility, CC fall behind when everything the light touches dies.
Calibans kit is based off of the archons , the stomp is from the wolf, the triple beam is the owl, and the spin also the owl huh well 2 out of 3 close enough. the crew is their ability to raise the dead when they get hurt enough.
Caliban's 2 is a damage buff + lifted, CC zone (Saxum Mod set work as well). His 4 is a great Armor strip, pulls enemies in and c auses a large blast damage x3.
What Trib would like: Please let him move more freely without losing his damage build up and summon the crew all at once. What DE will probably do: releases a bandaid mod that lets him move more freely and keep the damage build up for double the energy cost.
Very Good Video! I have an idea to buff Lethal Progeny: Caliban can summon one of *3* Sentients, either a Conculyst, a Battalyst or a Mimic. The Conculyst is full Melee Unga Bunga, the Battalyst is in the middle and the Mimic is ranged thanks to his traffic director lasers. He can have *3* Sentients on the field at any given time in any given combination (ex. 2 Mimics and 1 Battalyst, 1 Battalyst, 1 Mimic and 1 Conculyst, etc.) and each of these types has a Synergy with one of his other abilities: 1) The Conculyst has Synergy with Razor Gyre, joining the Spinning so as to give Caliban Adaptive Damage and increase his speed 2) The Battalyst has Synergy with Sentient Wrath, using his Prism Laser to boost the damage of the attack and increase the Damage Weakness debuff 3) The Mimic has Synergy with the S U C C Beam- I mean, Fusion Strike, Increasing both the laser's AND the Armor Stripping Field's maximum range
@triburos After watching your video I have a few more ideas that I think could work for buffing spin to win boi. I think the razor gyre damage should be changed to be more like saryn's spores, as you use the ability you build up damage, using the boost should take a percentage of damage that scales down with something like efficiency. This would also invoke a damage decay when you exit the ability, giving you time to recast fusion strike and the sentient bros. This would give razor gyre more use and synergy with the rest of his kit and make the ability more viable, provided DE lowers the energy drain as well. If DE is trying to make it that your focus is to use razor gyre to put high DPS into enemies who have had their armors stripped, making so the damage doesn't constantly disappear would make the ability MUCH more usable. And I agree that THE CREW should have all three sentients summoned at the same time. This would save you time in the downtime when you're not using razor gyre. Additionally, I think that the razor gyre dash is a good concept, it just needs to have less of a cost. Overall I think DE has the potential of making Caliban a very good frame, he just needs some tweaks that would synergize his kit better. THE CREW's shield buffing in combination with razor gyre's healing can make Caliban VERY difficult to kill. So I have no major gripes with that ability, just the fact that it takes so long to get the ability to its best state. I feel that DE intended to make razor gyre and fusion strike his bread and butter, with his other two abilities supplementing those abilities. Let me know what you think about my idea. I want to know if I have actually suggested a good change or I'm just being brainless.
Caliban is like a "greatest hits" album, but with sentient abilities. DE made a top 4 of their favorite sentient abilities and mashed them together in a sus package.
Hey Trib, THE SQUAD cameo almost made me piss myself, I love it. I'm also glad I'm not the only one having a difficult time with Caliban. That Kirkland brand adaptation is a rough decision no one should have to be making lol. Question is do the passives overlap? Can two Caliban gain 100% DR?
Yeah you could probably tweak Caliban's numbers and call it a day and most people would be happy with that. Personally I think some reworks would be nice, like for Razor Gyre just, throwing enemies out of it, or taking damage increases the damage of the gyre, or adds elemental effects to it would be real nice, feel in flavor and really soup him up. Two is fine, but the cap could go, summoning all three for three would be nice, I think unique models would also be pretty good, and maybe have each do a different thing? Have one be the spinning melee thing, one be the shield booster that hurls electricity and maybe a sniper one, I do like the idea that they all contribute to gyre. About the only thing I can think of for 4 is either add in a damage reduction or make it move faster. I do like adaptability but it overriding a passive is a bad idea. Maybe if you slot in adaptability or your team mates have it, a separate counter goes up so instead of adapting you deal more damage based on your 'over-adaptation'?
Also another idea for Razor Gyre would be to nerf the damage (Not like it did alot anyway) and just have it as a passive thing, like, one of his arms could detach or grow another one to spin it and have it act like Equinox's Maim, where it's just a damaging field that builds up as long as you can sustain the energy?
Right-o, so, here was my assessment of the Caliban Playstyle™: Passive: Good. It might not be as strong as an actual Adaptation, but keeping in mind that he gets constant shield regen from THE CREW, it's pretty reliable, especially when you consider some aspects of his kit. Yes, don't put on proper Adaptation - if you absolutely must have some kind of insurance, use Rolling Guard. 1-Razor Gyre: Actual trash. You have to build so hard for it to do real damage that it's basically pointless. It returns health, but that's only something a new player is going to appreciate on a frame with innate damage reduction and shield regen, not someone 8 frames deep by the time they get to The New War and 12 by the time they actually bother to grind him out and in all likelihood is probably going to have some Zenurik levels if not Arcane Energize. 2-Sentient Wrath: A panic button. Used when he somehow manages to lose shields and the enemies aren't already immediately dead. Useful for saving your keister. Enemies have a tendency to float into Void-taken corners, at least until they take damage, at which point the CC falls off entirely? At least, this is the case when I shoot enemies affected by it with Mesa's Regulators. 3-THE CREW: Good, but you're barking up the wrong tree if you're using them for damage--they're not for that. They're for shield regen and being meat shields, which they are damn good at being thanks to their sentient adaptation, even at lower ability strength. They lose out in efficacy as levels go higher though, since they don't scale with the ambient zone level and have no means of scaling off of nearby enemies, meaning if you try to go 2 hour steel path survival with these bad boys, they're going to start getting one-shot eventually, adaptation or no. Additionally, they're costly. Each and every one costs so much, and they don't really last that long, so having a Crew present 100% of the time is pretty unlikely. 4-The Nuke: Decent! Not fantastic, though, not compared to contemporaries. Yes, enemies that go in can in fact leave and still be stripped, but they *shouldn't* leave. Same deal with Xaku's absolute territory. If the armour's gone, the battle's won. Here's the issue. It costs 100e base per cast. There's a lot of warframes that can strip defences rather effectively, some of which have that function on 100e buttons, and most of them do it better, not to mention those frames that do it faster, cheaper, or more reliably. Xaku: Stripzones are huge and almost literally last forever unless you've got 500 nullifiers on your ass. Ember: Constantly stripping everywhere she goes as part of her energy maintenance routine, also counts as a panic button. Also even if not at full strength, the heat proc it causes will strip 50% over 1 second and maintain for proc duration. Banshee: Costs 25e, and doesn't need much modding to get done in a huge area. Ash: Doesn't even really need the armour strip because he's got so much finisher and slash stuff going on, but sure, it's there, and costs 25e. Frost: Locks down every enemy that's armour-stripped with a hard stop CC for the duration, does a surprising amount of damage in the process, too, especially when they die while frozen. Vauban: Not only is he constantly stripping armour, the enemies being stripped are locked up, any allies in a stripzone while they're working on enemies get a hefty armour buff, and when the stripzone ends, the enemies get CC'd even more with a vacuum. And many more that can achieve something similar. Granted, most of these are armour only, but it's rare that shields prove an effective barrier to player agency, even after they got buffed for enemies. And even then Frost's Avalanche deals cold damage, which nukes shields. My main criticism is: Caliban's kit lacks the numbers to make it stand out, and his playstyle is a solved problem on many Warframes. What he brings to the player isn't much, and what he brings to the team isn't much. You MIGHT get something building for insane duration instead of good range, and just putting the stripzone on chokepoints and doorways. But his playstyle isn't much different from Ember's, all told, except for the lack of a meat shield lackey, easily solved by slapping Mind Control on her. You could also put Shuriken on Revenant and get something pretty similar: Spinning, minions, armour stripping left and right, good defences. Xaku with Covenant is better than Caliban. And even without it, They have a better panic button in the form of "The entire map is now my ally forever." Revenant with Seeking Shuriken is better than Caliban, and has an infinitely better spin2win. In terms of passive damage reduction just from existing, freakin' Baruuk is better than Caliban, and he's got an exalted melee that vacuums enemies in to boot. Caliban is far from the worst warframe, that'd be a toss-up between Banshee and Hydroid, but right now, his only selling points to me are: ~Adaptation to all allies in Affinity Range without having to manage an ability ~Silly bifurcated appearance ~Nice helmet, and ~THE CREW (for aesthetic purposes). He doesn't stand out. He doesn't have a THING that you can crank to a billion or otherwise feels natural to play around -- at least not until he gets some augments -- but you CAN put Roar on and get his minions to do more damage, but like, you could also do something similar with any number of other minion-capable warframes, with minions that aren't locked to melee. Also why the fuck does he have lifesteal on his 1 when he's a shield regen frame with built in damage reduction? This is about as valuable as Revenant's 3 stealing life and shields when he shouldn't ever be getting damaged in the first place. Seeing this on Caliban's kit literally makes me think Scott genuinely wants Warframes to have a designated Bad Ability like he "joked" about back in the day. Warframe has an okay history of "Well, you like all these abilities, so let's reskin them, retune them, shuffle them around, and put them on a different Warframe" because usually those warframes have something that can really make them stand out. Caliban... doesn't? Honestly, if his CREW came out in a burst of 3 instead of 1 at a time, reducing the overall cost for full shield regen by two thirds, I'd not feel so bad about their atrocious duration. If his StripZone bubble had a longer base duration so I didn't have to spam it as much, that'd be lovely. If DE stopped putting Climbing-Energy-Drain that eats more and more and MORE per second on every toggled ability since Mesa that'd be fuckin' poggers, as the youths say, and maybe make Razor Gyre slightly less horrible (it shouldn't have ever been on Grendel's Feast, since it already has scaling drain from captured enemies, and essentially makes the new band-aid mod a MANDATORY band-aid instead of a pleasant option).
Yay our favorite Florida man is back :D Also I wanted to congratulate you for getting to be VineSauce's editor. Managing that and managing your videos may seem tough, but you got this. If it becomes too much, do what you think is best for your mental health. Take everything slowly ok? Dont kill yourself from burnout please
Last I checked, adaptation DOES stack with his passive. I checked by using a monotype damage source (Hyekka Master fire bomb), and it completely negated the damage.
I honestly agree with you when it comes to Caliban's gyro move, and it should get faster as you use it, even though I couldn't really hear the speed up sound cue.
Caliban wasn’t bad, but I fell in love with Garudas ability set, first warframe where I can seamlessly dance through every ability, regenerating both my health and energy in the process. She’s perfecting designs, imo.
FINALLY, he who brings me joy has returned. And the only thought I've got for Caliban is "now twirl honey twirl, twirl honey twurl." Those who know this phrase will understand.
12:23 There is the possibility that they have something planned for this ability regarding the Sentient type you summon so you can mix and match them, but thats just a theory. Also Lethal Progeny does have increased threat level as well as normal Sentient's damage adaptation and health gates, so you can worry less about enemies targeting players. But I agree, It is a little tedious until either this is changed, or an augment is added for this ability
I kinda want his 1 to have melee/combo counter interactions. I also feel like his 3 was meant to have options and that's why it's 1 at a time (one of your favourite hold-to-swap-type abilities).
So post reworked they pretty much fixed all the problems I had with him my scale goes something like this S Top 4% of all frames A Top 16% B Top 29% C Top 46% C- bottom 54% D bottom 33% F worst than 80% of frames Inaros Caliban was around a C- when he came out but they fixed his major issues 1. He was really slow and 4 didn’t offer protection 2. He on release felt was supposed to be a weapons plat-former but lacked the synergy but sentient wrath and fusion strike we’re begging to be taken advantage of 3. Summons were no that good how did they fix it? 1. They made Razor gyre more of a tool used to manage energy economy 2. Gave him invincibility on his 4 3. Got rid of the enemy cap cap 4. Made it more pronounced that he was supposed to be a weapon platform with a unique unique effect that makes enemies more vulnerable to other statuses Caliban is now more coherent and faster and actually thinking twice about subsuming off razor Gyre
The one thing I want with both frames with the spin abilities (excluding dance macabra because Im fine with how it is) I wish it was just the bottom half of the frame that spun so the top half could use weapons, would be MUCH nicer and I wouldn't mind the slow movement then, like inaros can just turn his bottom half into the sand storm spinner and caliban is sentient no one would question if his bottom half spun independent of him (with a model change, don't break the chop sticks in half)
What's REALLY funny about the rhino example for "independent functionality" kits, is rhino actually has a LOT of synergy feeding into his iron skin...locked behind augments. If they just gave him brand new augments and turned his current ones into innate buffs in his kit, he'd be a GREAT support tank of synergistic design(or maybe singular power centralistic design like the examples of Mesa and grendal?)
Concepts to adjust his kit to make him stand out a bit more: ---Adaptive passive is calculated and applied after considering Adaptation. So after Adaptation maxes out at 90% negation, the passive would be able to cut that remaining damage by another 50%, meaning overall, you have 95% damage negation when running both at maximum power. It's not much different, but it's something. ---Gyre augment that has you dump energy into the ability at the start during a rev-up phase, granting movement speed and damage based on how much power you dumped in, but you lose the dash capability. ---Squad adjustment that lets you pick between different types of Sentients to join you at a tap (like quiver), holding the button to cast. Gives access to sword, gun, and support minions. ---Stomp/Beam adjustment, giving some synergy between his remaining 2 skills, like enemies explode if they're killed with the ult while lifted, spreading/refreshing the armor stripping field. Or after casting Beam, stomping is temporarily empowered, sending a more powerful shock-wave in the facing direction)
Some Ideas I came up with watching this are as follows for each ability. For his passive, grant a bonus while using Adaptation. Personal idea? have it to they grow damage reduction faster when they fall in the same zone. so a 90% Adaptation mod will gain resistance faster for the first 50%, and/or make him lose stacks of resistance slower with Adaptation in his loadout. You don't even need that to effect with other his allies adaptation mods, just Caliban's. For his first ability, grant Razor Gyre more slash proc (if they want it to be a damaging ability), more damage to vulnerable/armor stripped enemies (if they want it to synergize better), or increase the healing and give a damage reduction when in use (if it's meant to be a healing and survival tool). also, I agree with your idea about the movement speed change. For his second ability, it's solid. Maybe increase the number of affected enemies, but it's fine where it is. For his summons, either grant them some range (if their meant to be damage dealers), increase his shield recharge (if they're meant to be support), or give them a higher threat to enemies (if they do this, have them try to stay a little further from Caliban so he's not put in the line of fire as much) And for his last ability, let him use it while spinning for a weaker version (in damage or armor strip) that acts like a omni-directional nuke blocked by line of sight. All this together would make Caliban known as the support tank with ranged debuff, aggro control, and survivability. Thoughts?
I feel like the reason his kit feels that way is that DE didn't have a plan for his abilities in terms of combat applications to begin with. I feel like they had a thematic setup of Shit What Sentients Doo and backfilled secondary attributes onto those abilities as the ideas came to them
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'Ello again lads; took awhile but here's Calibornia's video. After a long stretch of writers block and extensive editing, it be here. As always, cheers for your patience folks; I love the lot of you
Thanks for the video
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Glad to hear that I’m not alone in trying to figure out how the hell you build Cailban. I feel like trying to figure him out is almost as much effort as trying to make a Chroma build NOT focused around vex armor.
Personally I enjoy him but I can't argue that you're right he needs a mini rework
Any possibility of you uploading elder ring vids? Your humor is honestly great and it sucks that your GG vid didn't do so well
I still have no idea why Caliban has high shields and no health when the usual Sentients don't even have shields in the first place
Probably to represent the invincibility of Sentients
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Or to mimic Eidolons, who have a lot of shields that they can buff with summons.
the same can be said about Hildryn but you don't need a load of health to be good because shield tanking is a thing
take Mirage for example she has pretty low HP compared to a lot of the other frames but she has both damage buffing and damage reduction and with helminth you can open her up a lot more be it using Gloom to boost her survivability or using Energized Munitions to make her a better gunslinger
in short Caliban falls in with frames like Volt and Mag which rely on their shields to tank instead of being like the lazy mummy (Inaros) which relies on nothing more than his health but loads of health doesn't make you a tank and many frames prove this
Because if he didn't have shields the sentient friends would have to give him heavy health DR to compensate or make him yet another no shields high health warframe to slap arcanes on to make invincible without effort like inaros, grendel, or nidus.
@@Lotan_ We already have Revenant? If they want to do that, then they should improve him.
12:34 remember how long Nekros' desecrate was something you had to press constantly whenever you wanted to farm fallen foes? I remember.
Now that you mention this, I recognice again, that Atlas 3rd got swapped to behave like this D:
(although I haven't used him as much to farm for mods, though).
I MEMBER! IT SUCKS TO BE THERE WITH YOUR FRIENDS, MAKING CONVERSATION AND JUST STAND THERE SPRINGLING SALT ON THE FLOOR AS I GET ONE CORPSE TO POP SOME CANDIES
In all serious though, I was glad that change to affect a radius, so I don't have to seethe and mald when there is a frame that disintergrates enemies as they die, like nova, saryn and ember....
Technically it was more efficient back in those days, and now it has a delay before it desecrates a corpse so while it works on hostile mechs in iso vaults their bodies vanish before desecrate can activate some of the time.
Pepperidge farms remembers
Just get a bunch of casting speed mods! Then you may desecrate the mechs. Your team will thank you.
Best quote ever: "Warframe AI have the aim of an E-Sports player injected with 500 grams of Red Bull mixed with fentanyl, so they dont feel their spine snapping when they twitch shot."
Can’t wait for triburos making the fastest caliban (rework) review
True dat, homie.
I already see his ability augment replaces the melee senients with laser sentients
Great. A goddamn mod tax to make your kit semi-decent.
Or, similar to Wisp's three-in-one reservoir augment, a single press to summon all three allied sentients at once, maybe with a bonus passive.
Classic DE. This is why I RELIGIOUSLY hate DE and everything they do nowadays because they never listen to the playerbase until they're FORCED to listen.
Instead of 3 melee bois, here have one laser boi! Have fun+
@@freytkf5984 I love how that's an instant trade up in virtually all situations.
Caliban needs some fixes, but they're not huge and he already has a great foundation for these ideas.
One thing I'd throw in is more variety to his Sentient summons, like throw in Brachiolysts, Battalysts, and Aerolysts. So he has a Melee spin shield heal unit, a long range unit, an attack AOE unit, and a team health regen unit.
Oh and get rid of the enemy cap on Sentient Wrath because it's dumb.
Probablu augments for the extra Summons.
They should have allowed him to select different types of sentients via a Minelayer/Quiver sort of menu.
If he could summon any number of three or four different types of sentients, it actually would have made sense why you only summon one at a time.
That could have also dictated what bonuses he gets from synergizing the summons with other abilities. I. E. he gets the vacuum effect Trib mentioned from melee sentients when he uses his 1, but enemies hit by sentient rage take adaptive damage from all sources if you're near, say, a support specialized sentient.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines very good suggestions actually
sentient summons need to charge your teammate shields
@@AmelpsXett Well yeah, but it's still deligated to the Conculysts. They regen the shields and are the melee units.
When the world needed him most, he returned.
just so that he can leave again
i like how he has the funny amogus head, Erra must have been a sussy imposter.
i physically recoiled while typing that.
I also recoiled reading it
As you should
I rolled my eyes while reading that.
Caliban is literally a spinjitzu master with a beyblade collection and a fondness for lasers and I love him for it.
Having played Oberon for... YEARS as my go to comfort frame? Caliban ... surprisingly? Has taken that spot.
Flawed? Yes. His 1 is garbage and immediately gets replaced. His 2 is solid, though i would love it to be uncapped. His 3. I wish it was less clunky. His 4: 'everyone in that direction has no armor Ever.'
I LOVE his current state instead of his restrictive garbage BEBLADE, let's all hope DE would listen to any of trib's suggestions. He seriously need buffs tho
I have to agree with you on the Oberon comparison. A full Armor strip zone with his 4 and a damage invulnerability , CC zone with his 2 Caliban causes a lot of damage at all levels.
As it turned out, it was the numbers
I've missed you. I like our spinning boi he's alright but I don't like him as much as the MIGHTY SEER by any means. With all new frames he will find his footing in a couple months. His passive is a step in the right direction for the game but you're 100% right about it
Get a life m8
@@cactus5615 why don't you get one given you clearly have a lot of spare time on your hands to tell people how to live
Its been a long time since i've seen you pope, and i dont know wether i should be amazed or concerned that you are still preaching about the seer
@@theunhingedgamer3762 He only made one comment on that though.
@@cactus5615 what was the purpose of saying that, you have done nothing but irrated others with your bad opinions that nobody asked for on their choices and what they enjoy, please, shut up and get a life
His passive could also reduce proc duration by 50%.
To make his 3 better, I have an idea ( your idea about the Crew buffing the Gyre is great as well). Hold cast to summon a Battalyst instead, to give the Crew some ranged potential. Even better might be to summon a single Summulyst (the nether portal lookin ass sentients) , so you have both ranged coverage and a flow of new minions, assuming the Summulyst stays alive. Great vid as usual
Or just spawn all 3 at once
I feel like there should be an augment to allow you to pop down a Summulyst
now, how about a selective Sentient? that would be cool (i'm talking of something like, wisp seeds or, Ivara's arrows... something like that...)
Now we need an update to this video
Your point on bringing "the crew" into your spin, alongside what another commenter (Lucas Fraczek) suggestion of different/more types of buddies to cycle through would be perfect. Each sentient has a bonus thing it adds when paired with the spin. You are encouraged to use all of them, and more abilities, therefore, more synergy within his kit.
Players could still choose to spam out one type of sentient for one reason or another, maybe they each provide a different passive for what ones out. So as is, our melee buddies give shield regen+over shield. The other types could be a higher stack on "Great Value" Adaption, so you arent making players choose between shite off-brand adaption or the real deal. Maybe one gives a damage boost to weapons, or a minor health regen one, etc etc. Have them tie back into his passive, so they also give boosts to the allies within affinity range. It would make caliban a decent team support, being able to throw out a crew that could provide additional adaptation or shield/health regen for allies.
Hes a second oberon basically, jack of all trades, master of none. Nothing he could put out would ever outshine the ACTUAL support frames, but hes a decent middle ground for a bunch of roles.
It's actually great that Caliban can heal himself, provide himself shields, strip armor, increase enemy damage, and can summon potential cannon fodder.
Healing is shit, because of all that trash that stuck in your face so you can’t damage anyone, nor provide healing because of that issue…
@@biomechanicalcyber-jesus7573 I don't think you know how his healing works, he heals by hitting his enemies with Razor Gyre. The rate of healing depends on the enemy count and I believe power strength.
@@laneleach Correct, but if you are facing higher level enemies like even sortie level the enemies will damage you faster than your healing can heal you. You'll be an easy target because you're stuck moving very slowly or you'll lose all your stacked damage from Gyre. Even with the additional healing, using Razor Gyre is a fantastic way to kill yourself
@@laneleach
you can’t heal if you can’t hit enemies, as I said with all that trash on your face you as good as dead meat!
tested multiple times - garbage ability.
How can he increase enemy damage?
I think the lesson we can all learn here is that Sentients make kinda iffy Warframes and we should just stick to weaponry until the Archons end up being another lich type bosS-
I always enjoy seeing you upload, always wonder what you have to say when another frame comes out
Nah my revnant can kick ass, like when you get the sweet spot that fucker is baruk level of kill bayblade, but this is the problem revenant kinda to the spinny killy thing already.
@@MrRobot-0 seems Sentient Warframes also have the habit of spinning their to victory just like the Conculysts we face
Haven't played Warframe in two years now. I rely on you and Shy (mostly just you now) to keep me up to date on all the stuff that I'm glad I don't have to farm and level.
I come from the future and calibans rework is the most fun thing ive tried i didnt think he was worth it... Until i played his rework and holy cow i love this bisected boi
My largest complaint is the duration of the summon, personally I would prefer only summoning one with a longer duration.
Personally I'd prefer them to be permanent until health depleted.
@@Lotan_ Like Wukong
@@someone4650 Ye.
Cant wait for trib to remake this video lol
I love the new outro that includes the drifter now
Always good to hear a Wayne audio clip in my favorite warframe creators' videos.
It's happened, like, twice.
My test for warframes is taking them to saturn proxima, solo, NOT BUILDING FOR INSANE EFFICIENCY, arming them with basic, non-aoe weaponry, and trying to raid a single crewship.
If the normal weaponry is regularly functioning better than most of the frames' abilities designed specifically to synergize into dealing damage without sucking the energy dry, then there's a problem.
It's a basic test of "can you clear out this narrow, AI-pathfinding-bottlenecked area with a small number of tough and scary dudes flowing through it, using the tools your frame gives you to handle for dealing with this exact situation? And if not, which thing was causing issues?"
In Caliban's case, his Razor Gyre and its stupid "hold click to power up, but it also chews through your energy at a growing rate, but ALSO if you use that same button while an enemy's toe was in your reticule, you teleport to them and lose all that damage, but ALSO the conceit of health regen to offset vulnerability is shattered by healing slower and even more costly than Oberon's 3 when Nekros is in town, but ALSO you can cast sentient wrath while spinning, but you aren't rewarded for this energy-draining maneuver during this vulnerable state by any extra Gyre damage output beyond Wrath's normal enemy debuff"
is what takes him from an interesting concept to absolute garbage. He's way too energy hungry for too little payoff and, just like your verdict, I genuinely could not figure out what DE wanted him to be, despite there CLEARLY being a recipe for something decent.
Oh man seeing triv's video in my feed made me immediately smile... and also immediately crack my lips since it's been hours since my last lip movement
Trib I love your videos and your upload schedule is absolutely fine to me. You do what you want. You’re in this because it’s fun and we can always feel your passion.
"THE SQUAD" leading to "THE CREW" made my day
It's nice hearing you enjoyed your vacation, and this editing is incredible
Edit: This might be me being too cynical, but i have the feeling DE purposefully restricted the summoning number, so they could turn it into a future "band-aid" augment
It's...
It's perfect!!
Also, love the return of "THE SQUAD!"
I’m just getting into Warframe and found your channel, and I think I found absolute gold. Keep it up my guy
I love the frame content and jokes u make in your warframe videos
2 years later and I am here to tell you .. HE GOT BUFFED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOO CALIBAN VID WAS WAITING FOR THISSS
I missed your memes so much Ty for posting it makes my day
Caliban gives me the vibes of he saw Revenant use Danse Macabre, thought 'I can do that too!', but instead got himself into a situation where he's spinning leagues faster and can't slow down.
To add onto some of his issues, the tick rate of the summon's spin damage does not match its animation and it even whiffs its normal attacks at point blank range, somehow. The summons also end Sentient Wrath prematurely if they hit an affected enemy. Regarding Razor Gyre, as if it wasn't bad enough, its energy channeling gets worse both the more it is charged AND the longer it is active, just like Grendel's 1. It genuinely is awful to maintain.
Great video as always, enjoy your hiatus, can't wait for Elden Ring shenanigans if you decide to record them.
I've posted on the megathread for him regarding my own feedback, but to compound your own suggestions:
Razor Gyre: Remove that godawful energy drain scaling increase. In addition to the dash not consuming charge, allow Cali to deactivate Razor Gyre w/o losing charge immediately. Make it decrease by a small percentage per second after a duration while out of Razor Gyre, but if you use his other abilities the decay stops and the duration resets. Fix the synergies not working and make the energy drain when boosting damage a small, flat value instead of getting more expensive with higher values. Lastly, either innately or via augment, allow kills to add enemy HP onto the damage charge. Ya know, make it like Splinter Storm/Maim. DE could even go as far as give Cali additional benefits to a higher Gyre charge, such as better efficiency and other abilities inheriting some or all of Gyre's charge for their damage, but I won't count on it.
Sentient Wrath, personally I don't like the ragdolls going wherever they want. Just tether them to their current location on hit or make it exactly like Rhino's Stomp w/ a debuff attached, idc.
Lethal Progeny, fix the attacks whiffing, increase the damage tick rate for its spin attack, and, if Sentient Wrath is unchanged, fix the Progeny ending Sentient Wrath prematurely on hit.
I dont care how long it takes for you to make new videos, I will watch them all, few times. World at its current geopolitical state, needs you and your videos. Dont stay in the coffin too long.
Im always happy to see another trib video! Also, always take as much time as you need between vids 👍 nothin bad ab it
I remember thinking of a Sentient frame with an tau energy minigun/cannon hybrid arm as an exalted weapon and would be a pure dmg dealer
Oh boy, if only we got that instead, Caliban is okay but I think the idea of going around, ripping hordes of infested to pieces with the minigun and demolishing squads of grinneer with the cannon would be absolutely badass
Too much like Mesa with that uh. Sentient arm cannon. But I get the draw to it. Fuel the power fantasy.
Sounds a lot better than what we got
that sounds a lot like a Warhammer Tau commander, you could even add drones for Volt-like shielding and some snare traps as CC and WTH DE, get to it
@@clgr1323 I was thinking that the design would have his/her (never decided on the gender) exalted weapon which I've mentioned, an ability that gives dmg reistance up to 90% which can be given to allies, but it would be a dmg resistance across the board unlike something such as adaptation, an armour strip in a similar way that we got with Caliban and a reflective shield ability which reflects a certain amount of dmg back onto enemies
@@azurehorizon6097 Sorry dude, now i cant care about taliban anymore cuz of my Tau wet daydream
I love the videos of you and Cherria. Always makes me laugh! You guys are amazing, thank you for the content!!
Don’t even play warframe anymore but his commentary makes every video worth watching
His 2-3-4 rotation is quite nice! Only his Gyro feels very off.
Debuff enemies with 2-4 and you can use his 3 as a shield gate button when your shields break.
My biggest gripe with Caliban is his 3. Having to cast it 3 times spending 75+ energy cause of course I’m running blind rage for that max strip is a pretty big problem. But it’s Caliban’s source of survivability too and half the time they don’t shield me and I can’t recast my 3 either to maybe pray to their Ai to actually shield me. I always die when my sentiments refuse to shield.
I think of him as a tanky debuff-support like Garuda. His 2 and 4 make enemies die to the slightest touch, and his 3 is decent survivability via shields and distracting enemies. I like to subsume Shock/Smite/Nourish over his 1 and use it to buff up his summons and teammates for even more damage amplification, the progeny can actually kill stuff pretty well when all your buffs/debuffs are up.
Definitely agree with your changes. Razor Gyre just really needs to be stronger. There is a use in not immediately casting the minions for shieldgating.
I caught that Bad Apple outro.
" The crew! " Rlly made me laugh, and I have a rlly bad headache today, good job and thank you xD
I love that shot of caliban cutting your head! Very clean 👌
0:57 We're always in your walls, Trib ;)
So they gave caliban a pegleg but not sevagoth?
OK hear me out and it might be heretical but I replaced his one with Revenant’s reave. It’s thematically accurate and provides more healing and survivability ability then his original one did
But in this case... Why don't you just use revnant? Better spinny thing, better survivability and mobility, CC fall behind when everything the light touches dies.
Calibans kit is based off of the archons , the stomp is from the wolf, the triple beam is the owl, and the spin also the owl huh well 2 out of 3 close enough. the crew is their ability to raise the dead when they get hurt enough.
Caliban's 2 is a damage buff + lifted, CC zone (Saxum Mod set work as well). His 4 is a great Armor strip, pulls enemies in and c auses a large blast damage x3.
HE'S ALIVE!
Yo the editing is so cool the drone is so cute
What Trib would like: Please let him move more freely without losing his damage build up and summon the crew all at once.
What DE will probably do: releases a bandaid mod that lets him move more freely and keep the damage build up for double the energy cost.
Very Good Video!
I have an idea to buff Lethal Progeny:
Caliban can summon one of *3* Sentients, either a Conculyst, a Battalyst or a Mimic. The Conculyst is full Melee Unga Bunga, the Battalyst is in the middle and the Mimic is ranged thanks to his traffic director lasers. He can have *3* Sentients on the field at any given time in any given combination (ex. 2 Mimics and 1 Battalyst, 1 Battalyst, 1 Mimic and 1 Conculyst, etc.) and each of these types has a Synergy with one of his other abilities:
1) The Conculyst has Synergy with Razor Gyre, joining the Spinning so as to give Caliban Adaptive Damage and increase his speed
2) The Battalyst has Synergy with Sentient Wrath, using his Prism Laser to boost the damage of the attack and increase the Damage Weakness debuff
3) The Mimic has Synergy with the S U C C Beam- I mean, Fusion Strike, Increasing both the laser's AND the Armor Stripping Field's maximum range
@triburos After watching your video I have a few more ideas that I think could work for buffing spin to win boi. I think the razor gyre damage should be changed to be more like saryn's spores, as you use the ability you build up damage, using the boost should take a percentage of damage that scales down with something like efficiency. This would also invoke a damage decay when you exit the ability, giving you time to recast fusion strike and the sentient bros. This would give razor gyre more use and synergy with the rest of his kit and make the ability more viable, provided DE lowers the energy drain as well. If DE is trying to make it that your focus is to use razor gyre to put high DPS into enemies who have had their armors stripped, making so the damage doesn't constantly disappear would make the ability MUCH more usable. And I agree that THE CREW should have all three sentients summoned at the same time. This would save you time in the downtime when you're not using razor gyre. Additionally, I think that the razor gyre dash is a good concept, it just needs to have less of a cost. Overall I think DE has the potential of making Caliban a very good frame, he just needs some tweaks that would synergize his kit better. THE CREW's shield buffing in combination with razor gyre's healing can make Caliban VERY difficult to kill. So I have no major gripes with that ability, just the fact that it takes so long to get the ability to its best state. I feel that DE intended to make razor gyre and fusion strike his bread and butter, with his other two abilities supplementing those abilities. Let me know what you think about my idea. I want to know if I have actually suggested a good change or I'm just being brainless.
Caliban is like a "greatest hits" album, but with sentient abilities. DE made a top 4 of their favorite sentient abilities and mashed them together in a sus package.
Rework got me hyped that he'll finally be playable now.
He was playable before he’s actually just strong now and they finally dug in deep and said he is a weapon platformer which was what I thought he was
When you looked at them grenade my phone cut to an ad I thought you screamed because of it.I started dying 💀
The sentients are what happens when an entire race's civilization is based around light shows and beyblades.
I do like the added 3d stuff. Keep up the good work.
only warframe content creator I still watch. Nice work
The king is back
Hey Trib, THE SQUAD cameo almost made me piss myself, I love it.
I'm also glad I'm not the only one having a difficult time with Caliban. That Kirkland brand adaptation is a rough decision no one should have to be making lol. Question is do the passives overlap? Can two Caliban gain 100% DR?
They don't overlap, even with 4 calibans
Well that sucks 😔
@@Nepcsalibur that would make his passive really worth it and make sense as well.. oh well :(
Good to see you again!
love to see it
Yeah you could probably tweak Caliban's numbers and call it a day and most people would be happy with that. Personally I think some reworks would be nice, like for Razor Gyre just, throwing enemies out of it, or taking damage increases the damage of the gyre, or adds elemental effects to it would be real nice, feel in flavor and really soup him up. Two is fine, but the cap could go, summoning all three for three would be nice, I think unique models would also be pretty good, and maybe have each do a different thing? Have one be the spinning melee thing, one be the shield booster that hurls electricity and maybe a sniper one, I do like the idea that they all contribute to gyre. About the only thing I can think of for 4 is either add in a damage reduction or make it move faster.
I do like adaptability but it overriding a passive is a bad idea. Maybe if you slot in adaptability or your team mates have it, a separate counter goes up so instead of adapting you deal more damage based on your 'over-adaptation'?
Also another idea for Razor Gyre would be to nerf the damage (Not like it did alot anyway) and just have it as a passive thing, like, one of his arms could detach or grow another one to spin it and have it act like Equinox's Maim, where it's just a damaging field that builds up as long as you can sustain the energy?
Thanks TH-cam recommendations for reminding be about this warframe. I honestly forgot about it
Right-o, so, here was my assessment of the Caliban Playstyle™:
Passive: Good. It might not be as strong as an actual Adaptation, but keeping in mind that he gets constant shield regen from THE CREW, it's pretty reliable, especially when you consider some aspects of his kit. Yes, don't put on proper Adaptation - if you absolutely must have some kind of insurance, use Rolling Guard.
1-Razor Gyre: Actual trash. You have to build so hard for it to do real damage that it's basically pointless. It returns health, but that's only something a new player is going to appreciate on a frame with innate damage reduction and shield regen, not someone 8 frames deep by the time they get to The New War and 12 by the time they actually bother to grind him out and in all likelihood is probably going to have some Zenurik levels if not Arcane Energize.
2-Sentient Wrath: A panic button. Used when he somehow manages to lose shields and the enemies aren't already immediately dead. Useful for saving your keister. Enemies have a tendency to float into Void-taken corners, at least until they take damage, at which point the CC falls off entirely? At least, this is the case when I shoot enemies affected by it with Mesa's Regulators.
3-THE CREW: Good, but you're barking up the wrong tree if you're using them for damage--they're not for that. They're for shield regen and being meat shields, which they are damn good at being thanks to their sentient adaptation, even at lower ability strength. They lose out in efficacy as levels go higher though, since they don't scale with the ambient zone level and have no means of scaling off of nearby enemies, meaning if you try to go 2 hour steel path survival with these bad boys, they're going to start getting one-shot eventually, adaptation or no. Additionally, they're costly. Each and every one costs so much, and they don't really last that long, so having a Crew present 100% of the time is pretty unlikely.
4-The Nuke: Decent! Not fantastic, though, not compared to contemporaries. Yes, enemies that go in can in fact leave and still be stripped, but they *shouldn't* leave. Same deal with Xaku's absolute territory. If the armour's gone, the battle's won.
Here's the issue. It costs 100e base per cast. There's a lot of warframes that can strip defences rather effectively, some of which have that function on 100e buttons, and most of them do it better, not to mention those frames that do it faster, cheaper, or more reliably.
Xaku: Stripzones are huge and almost literally last forever unless you've got 500 nullifiers on your ass.
Ember: Constantly stripping everywhere she goes as part of her energy maintenance routine, also counts as a panic button. Also even if not at full strength, the heat proc it causes will strip 50% over 1 second and maintain for proc duration.
Banshee: Costs 25e, and doesn't need much modding to get done in a huge area.
Ash: Doesn't even really need the armour strip because he's got so much finisher and slash stuff going on, but sure, it's there, and costs 25e.
Frost: Locks down every enemy that's armour-stripped with a hard stop CC for the duration, does a surprising amount of damage in the process, too, especially when they die while frozen.
Vauban: Not only is he constantly stripping armour, the enemies being stripped are locked up, any allies in a stripzone while they're working on enemies get a hefty armour buff, and when the stripzone ends, the enemies get CC'd even more with a vacuum.
And many more that can achieve something similar. Granted, most of these are armour only, but it's rare that shields prove an effective barrier to player agency, even after they got buffed for enemies. And even then Frost's Avalanche deals cold damage, which nukes shields.
My main criticism is: Caliban's kit lacks the numbers to make it stand out, and his playstyle is a solved problem on many Warframes. What he brings to the player isn't much, and what he brings to the team isn't much. You MIGHT get something building for insane duration instead of good range, and just putting the stripzone on chokepoints and doorways. But his playstyle isn't much different from Ember's, all told, except for the lack of a meat shield lackey, easily solved by slapping Mind Control on her. You could also put Shuriken on Revenant and get something pretty similar: Spinning, minions, armour stripping left and right, good defences.
Xaku with Covenant is better than Caliban. And even without it, They have a better panic button in the form of "The entire map is now my ally forever."
Revenant with Seeking Shuriken is better than Caliban, and has an infinitely better spin2win.
In terms of passive damage reduction just from existing, freakin' Baruuk is better than Caliban, and he's got an exalted melee that vacuums enemies in to boot.
Caliban is far from the worst warframe, that'd be a toss-up between Banshee and Hydroid, but right now, his only selling points to me are:
~Adaptation to all allies in Affinity Range without having to manage an ability
~Silly bifurcated appearance
~Nice helmet, and
~THE CREW (for aesthetic purposes).
He doesn't stand out. He doesn't have a THING that you can crank to a billion or otherwise feels natural to play around -- at least not until he gets some augments -- but you CAN put Roar on and get his minions to do more damage, but like, you could also do something similar with any number of other minion-capable warframes, with minions that aren't locked to melee. Also why the fuck does he have lifesteal on his 1 when he's a shield regen frame with built in damage reduction? This is about as valuable as Revenant's 3 stealing life and shields when he shouldn't ever be getting damaged in the first place. Seeing this on Caliban's kit literally makes me think Scott genuinely wants Warframes to have a designated Bad Ability like he "joked" about back in the day.
Warframe has an okay history of "Well, you like all these abilities, so let's reskin them, retune them, shuffle them around, and put them on a different Warframe" because usually those warframes have something that can really make them stand out. Caliban... doesn't?
Honestly, if his CREW came out in a burst of 3 instead of 1 at a time, reducing the overall cost for full shield regen by two thirds, I'd not feel so bad about their atrocious duration. If his StripZone bubble had a longer base duration so I didn't have to spam it as much, that'd be lovely. If DE stopped putting Climbing-Energy-Drain that eats more and more and MORE per second on every toggled ability since Mesa that'd be fuckin' poggers, as the youths say, and maybe make Razor Gyre slightly less horrible (it shouldn't have ever been on Grendel's Feast, since it already has scaling drain from captured enemies, and essentially makes the new band-aid mod a MANDATORY band-aid instead of a pleasant option).
Yay our favorite Florida man is back :D
Also I wanted to congratulate you for getting to be VineSauce's editor. Managing that and managing your videos may seem tough, but you got this. If it becomes too much, do what you think is best for your mental health. Take everything slowly ok? Dont kill yourself from burnout please
You know caliban is cool and all, but me, a member of the blacksmith frame when group, is here to say blacksmith frame when
Last I checked, adaptation DOES stack with his passive. I checked by using a monotype damage source (Hyekka Master fire bomb), and it completely negated the damage.
I honestly agree with you when it comes to Caliban's gyro move, and it should get faster as you use it, even though I couldn't really hear the speed up sound cue.
My thoughts exactly
see you in 4 months!
OMG Dad finally uploaded! I thought you got lost in the Void for a minute there.
Caliban wasn’t bad, but I fell in love with Garudas ability set, first warframe where I can seamlessly dance through every ability, regenerating both my health and energy in the process. She’s perfecting designs, imo.
FINALLY, he who brings me joy has returned.
And the only thought I've got for Caliban is "now twirl honey twirl, twirl honey twurl." Those who know this phrase will understand.
Folks be adding their two cents about caliban, mean while I'm appreciating the edit to trib's outro
12:23 There is the possibility that they have something planned for this ability regarding the Sentient type you summon so you can mix and match them, but thats just a theory. Also Lethal Progeny does have increased threat level as well as normal Sentient's damage adaptation and health gates, so you can worry less about enemies targeting players. But I agree, It is a little tedious until either this is changed, or an augment is added for this ability
That vortex idea with the progeny would make for a cool augment mod.
I kinda want his 1 to have melee/combo counter interactions. I also feel like his 3 was meant to have options and that's why it's 1 at a time (one of your favourite hold-to-swap-type abilities).
16:32 they will turn that idea into an augment, they won't put that in the base frame. If they see this at least.
the changes u suggest sounds realy good !
"Next up is sentient" *reverb fart*
damnit trib you made me choke on my drink XD
Ive been waiting this video from you
Yes, a new video! I'd get a cup of tea but I'm worried it'd end up on my screen at some point!
So post reworked they pretty much fixed all the problems I had with him my scale goes something like this
S Top 4% of all frames
A Top 16%
B Top 29%
C Top 46%
C- bottom 54%
D bottom 33%
F worst than 80% of frames
Inaros
Caliban was around a C- when he came out but they fixed his major issues
1. He was really slow and 4 didn’t offer protection
2. He on release felt was supposed to be a weapons plat-former but lacked the synergy but sentient wrath and fusion strike we’re begging to be taken advantage of
3. Summons were no that good
how did they fix it?
1. They made Razor gyre more of a tool used to manage energy economy
2. Gave him invincibility on his 4
3. Got rid of the enemy cap cap
4. Made it more pronounced that he was supposed to be a weapon platform with a unique unique effect that makes enemies more vulnerable to other statuses
Caliban is now more coherent and faster and actually thinking twice about subsuming off razor Gyre
He returns!
The one thing I want with both frames with the spin abilities (excluding dance macabra because Im fine with how it is) I wish it was just the bottom half of the frame that spun so the top half could use weapons, would be MUCH nicer and I wouldn't mind the slow movement then, like inaros can just turn his bottom half into the sand storm spinner and caliban is sentient no one would question if his bottom half spun independent of him (with a model change, don't break the chop sticks in half)
wooooo keep up the good work trib
What's REALLY funny about the rhino example for "independent functionality" kits, is rhino actually has a LOT of synergy feeding into his iron skin...locked behind augments. If they just gave him brand new augments and turned his current ones into innate buffs in his kit, he'd be a GREAT support tank of synergistic design(or maybe singular power centralistic design like the examples of Mesa and grendal?)
I'm just happy we have a frame with a proper peg-leg
Wait adaptation is a mod? These videos are slowly teaching me how few mods I actually have.
Concepts to adjust his kit to make him stand out a bit more:
---Adaptive passive is calculated and applied after considering Adaptation. So after Adaptation maxes out at 90% negation, the passive would be able to cut that remaining damage by another 50%, meaning overall, you have 95% damage negation when running both at maximum power. It's not much different, but it's something.
---Gyre augment that has you dump energy into the ability at the start during a rev-up phase, granting movement speed and damage based on how much power you dumped in, but you lose the dash capability.
---Squad adjustment that lets you pick between different types of Sentients to join you at a tap (like quiver), holding the button to cast. Gives access to sword, gun, and support minions.
---Stomp/Beam adjustment, giving some synergy between his remaining 2 skills, like enemies explode if they're killed with the ult while lifted, spreading/refreshing the armor stripping field. Or after casting Beam, stomping is temporarily empowered, sending a more powerful shock-wave in the facing direction)
Triburos he has been heavily altered, return to my bisected boi
Yeah new video baby!!
Some Ideas I came up with watching this are as follows for each ability.
For his passive, grant a bonus while using Adaptation. Personal idea? have it to they grow damage reduction faster when they fall in the same zone. so a 90% Adaptation mod will gain resistance faster for the first 50%, and/or make him lose stacks of resistance slower with Adaptation in his loadout. You don't even need that to effect with other his allies adaptation mods, just Caliban's.
For his first ability, grant Razor Gyre more slash proc (if they want it to be a damaging ability), more damage to vulnerable/armor stripped enemies (if they want it to synergize better), or increase the healing and give a damage reduction when in use (if it's meant to be a healing and survival tool). also, I agree with your idea about the movement speed change.
For his second ability, it's solid. Maybe increase the number of affected enemies, but it's fine where it is.
For his summons, either grant them some range (if their meant to be damage dealers), increase his shield recharge (if they're meant to be support), or give them a higher threat to enemies (if they do this, have them try to stay a little further from Caliban so he's not put in the line of fire as much)
And for his last ability, let him use it while spinning for a weaker version (in damage or armor strip) that acts like a omni-directional nuke blocked by line of sight.
All this together would make Caliban known as the support tank with ranged debuff, aggro control, and survivability. Thoughts?
I feel like the reason his kit feels that way is that DE didn't have a plan for his abilities in terms of combat applications to begin with. I feel like they had a thematic setup of Shit What Sentients Doo and backfilled secondary attributes onto those abilities as the ideas came to them