But it's the same as T7 with USF4, it's not IMPOSSIBLE to win with any character you pick, it's just much more difficult. It basically comes down to lack of either cross up or overhead. But any character is fun to play
@@rzinFN high level viper can mix you up with her feints, and she gets crazy meterless damage off of fierce feint fierce combos. Seismo (ground pound) can super jump cancel into itself on hit or block for chip and pressure. She can also super jump cancel combo into ultra 1. Viper is very formidable but has the highest execution ceiling in the game.
Seriously though!! Granted some characters are copies in a way but all feel unique. You can spend weeks learning just 1 character... 46 with their own style... Yeah that's big
One of the things I really appreciate USF4 for is that Dan got rebalanced into a non joke character. That Dan kick pressure and Air Dan Kick mobility was super cheesy and actually made him fun to play
Have you seen that vid Brian_F made about USF4 Dan? It's on youtube, you might already know all the stuff (I'm a real novice in terms of game knowledge) but I thought it was really interesting :)
Dan Kick pressure is a gimmick actually. He's a knowledge check character but not a good one. For the pressure, note that Dan Kick (light) is only plus on block if you crouch block. If you stand block, it's +0, and also you can always reversal through the gap, or just backdash.
The only reason anyone remember Dudley was because smug popularized him.. mad combos mad setups.. mad mad reaction.. he became the moyour of duff city.. respect man.. the only person in sf4 that played Dudley one one.. no one even bothered to pick him up.. mad respect for smug..
@@Toomnyusernae I'm surprised I didn't get them confused like I always do. Yeah in this game green hand zangief would dominate if it was his vskill an could just throw it out. That needs to be limited. But strong when able to be used
I'm pleased they didn't give him green hand. It makes it that much more satisfying to have them get close to me. I mean, I lose so much health trying to walk in and push them to the corner. Why do all that work when I can just corner myself, take less push block and jab spd them lol. Stupid low level tactic I know but even if they want to zone me with projectiles, I still get meter faster than them. It all works out. Vskill 2 does more than green hand and I still prefer his vskill 1.
@@Toomnyusernae vskill 2 does more than green hand? I hope you're just talking about damage because in terms of utility gief ex green in usf4 is arguably the best ex move in the game and it opens up so many options. Sf5 has none of that. Justing is right when he said usf4 gief is the most powerful version of gief ever
Might be kinda controversial, but SF4 is easily my favorite Street Fighter game and probably one of the best FGs out there to me. Might be because I developed an interest in (competitive) fighting games around the time when SF4 vanilla came out, and that interest only grew over the years as new editions of SF4 released. This was my main game for a hell of a long time, and all my experiences at local tournaments and such stem from this game kicking it all off for me. Yeah, I'm a dirty '09er.
I grew up with Sf2 as a teen and Sf4 is still my favorite of the series. Sf4 followed by SF2. You are not the only one, I play 5, but I don't find it anywhere close to 4. If every1 went back to 4 tomorrow, I would leave 5 in a heart beat.
My first fighting game was Usf4, I got it for 20$ at my local game store in 2014 when I was 9 and I was trash. After playing fighting games for years and falling in love with the genre I just got it for my PlayStation today and I love it (I played sfv for a while now and like it a lot but this seems better. Might just be novelty)
The first Street Fighter I ever played was SFII, I got so angry I didn't know how to shoot a hadouken I studied, learned to do it and fell in love, I ended up getting SSFIV and it was the first fighting game I would take time in learning technical combos, frame data, and match-ups. To this day after playing every Street Fighter but Sfex3 and SFV, its still my personal favorite. I still go back from time to time watching matches.
CrimzonWolf777 it was made by Siivagunner a group of mash up artists mixing video game songs with a bunch of other stuff th-cam.com/video/c5fFT_KpBJ8/w-d-xo.html
I miss this game so much, I wish capcom would run SFV, USFIV and Third Strike in Capcom Pro Tour. They have current gen ports of all the games so it'd be nice to see them getting some competitive support
SF4 had so much more character in play style. It's been said before, but if you watch the same character 5 matches in a row and no player name is showing, you can easily tell which player is playing at the time. I hope the next SF after 5 has every character and a better universal system. (i.e. mp/mk overhead from 3s/focus attack 4). I know company's need to make money, but having a game with real longevity is what makes a game fun to watch. To this day I watch videos from vanilla to USF4, and see all the tech be developed overtime is amazing. Even seeing Daigo abuse option selects in vanilla was amazing!
SF4 is still 100x better than SFV by a long shot, wish SF4 was brought back to capcom cup........the fights in SF4 were and still are more entertaining to watch than SFV matches.......imo.
@@Bluzlbee when first added there was like a week where everyone online got bodied by oni and then everyone started using him and kinda broke the game, for a week. Then we learned how to block that cross up slash move then everything went back to normal. But for that week everyone started saying he's banned and it stuck as a joke
@@Bluzlbee Oni could hit the ultra from any where on screen using that cross up slash move. At lower level online play it was the cheapest thing I'd ever seen. The bad players never even used Yun
Gen was my main. I agree that he is more solid than people give him credit for. I was consistently able to hang with world-class players using him. I also played Bison, Rolento and Blanka on a regular basis. Fun fact: A guy playing Vega managed to win the Swedish championship towards the end of the game's cycle, so that is a big testament to how good the design is in this game. (Another fun fact is that the same guy kicked me out of his lobby after losing to my Blanka ... but God damn, Blanka WAS an annoying character.)
As a lifelong Guy main, since SFA, I can confirm his Ultra 2 is the coolest thing in the world. It would actually make him a great character if it worked. But unlike virtually any other move in the game, you can't use input shortcuts to execute it. And unlike most Ultras/Supers, it's a half circle back instead of quarter circle. It would be one of the best punish moves in the game if you could consistently pull it off, but it's just so difficult, even for players with great execution. I could consistently land one frame links online, but had a ton of trouble pulling off his Ultra consistently. Before they nerfed SRKxxFADCxxDash forward, it was -2 and a common tactic fo many characters and players, and I used to get awesome punishes with U2. But as a zero frame throw, it should punish everything -1 or worse, which is difficult to do on reaction, but way harder with no input shortcuts. If it worked, it would have been a game changer for him, as he was vulnerable to rush down because his only reversal cost meter and you couldn make it safe. But if you had Ultra, the opponent would have to worry than any move -1 would lead to them losing half of their life. It would encourage people to try Andrew zone him even though he was so hard to zone with his Bushin flip, especially Ex, and same thing with run slide, especially EX, and even his shoulder could hit a predictable projectile, and was pretty safe on a bad read/guess.
I remember J.Wong talking about grapplers on the NoFrillz podcast especially SF4 Gief. Dude went in on em. He seemed slightly triggered in this video lol
Bro, seeing this vid just randomly reminded me of those breakdowns you did for the 3rd strike characters in super SSF4....like 10 years ago. Never forget those beats either, so damn cool.
Chun was fantastic as long as you were in control of the pace, but she always felt rough when under pressure. Your only option was exsbk, and every decent opponent knew it.
i want to see USF4 tier list next ! this one was great, really well said ! do it again and we will hear other opinions that didnt get said this time ! i do enjoy listening to your opinions on these matters. well said.
Hi Justin thanks for the video! At the beginning i felt kinda triggered when you put Ryu in C considering he got 2 Evo tournaments in his back but then again i agree with that you said. He always starts beeing godlike at the beginning and then he can't abuse or evolve with the system when more characters are introduced.
I would say Ryu is a bit higher and Hakan is lower. Elena is SS tier and in some cases so is Poison. In general I agree with the rest. I love this game (I'm still playing, never got around to playing SF5 after 4, SF5 seems so boring). Thanks for the list Justin
@@OldChanCharlie I'd say he was pretty cheap in the first version of the game and easily top 3. Light shoryuken (that was active for so long) anti-air into ultra for good dmg. No meter needed. Don't know how many times I saw that. He sure wasn't very honest in the beginning which is why so many scrubs played him. Ultra version of Ryu was much weaker though.
Elena is s tier but not SS tier, she was cracked but i think evil ryu is better, imo best character in the game, how i see it, elena can use her ultra 2 3 times which is pretty broken, but everything evil ryu had is better, good pokes, massive damage and insane combos, 2 good ultras to combo from, dive kick and raging demon along with kara demon, evil ryus a menace, best character in this game imo.
You're right, he doesn't owe anything, which is why I appreciated this video smh. As for my videos you ask? Sorry to disappoint you but they're non existent.
I didn't realize my main eventually made it to S tier. I was a C. Viper main . I played in tournaments for vanilla and Super and I think she was just mid back then. Hardly anybody used her either. I think I remember hearing during Arcade Edition somebody winning Evo with her. I'm not sure.
Vega was only low tier in vanilla. At the end of USF4 vega is defo mid tier. Zeus destroyed you in East Coast Throwdown, with a perfect at the last round.
no need to make comparison, why can't we all enjoy and appreciate both.... as long as you can buy the game and it has an online community to play with, pick what you prefer.
Looking back at because pops wants that run back on the PS3 little does he know im scheming and studying for my training Edit also proud Ibuki main here
Guy's Instant air grab is vicious. I'd put him a little higher. And then of course, since I was a Vega player, I'd have him higher as well lol. The only reason people consider Vega trash is because his moves have very little invincibility and all of his links are 1 frame links but to that regard, if you know how to play Vega you know that he's not a combo heavy character anyway. He's best played defensively.
My favorite character of the whole series at the time was Adon, and Adon was the absolute best he's ever been in SF4. I was thoroughly pleased with what they did to my guy who i screamed to the heavens to put in Super
I love that he’s a straight vicious acrobatic Muay Thai fighter without being a shoto like sagat is. He really stands out not just from sagat but from the rest of the cast. His specials give him some sick movement. He’s gotta come back man lol Surprised he didn’t come back in v
I appreciate the acknowledgment that I have to work harder with Vega to win in this game. I still say Dan has a dp and a tatsu mix up while Deejay has a good fireball and ex dp as well knee bazooka which has priority and allows a change of jump arc so I’d say both those bottom 3s are stronger though I would say Deejay is a C tier imo
All I can say that, I didn't own any console after ps1 but I saw a footage of diago playing as ryu in sfiv and diago was the man who made me to buy sfiv pc version and a atrox arcade stick, before that my last street fighter game I played was alpha 3 on ps1.
On the 3DS you could make the buttons (a,b,y,x)be a charge move and it made Balrog unbeatable I figured out a strat for every character and destroyed grandmasters
@@johndcoffee632 When I first started learning some more games, and trying out more conventional characters I was like....holy moly, characters have these awesome, useful, straightforward options in fighting games? Blown away lol
I play because I got a one recently too. There's barely anyone on anymore. All the players are Brazil england Spain for the most part. I have fiber internet so most of the time playing them isn't too bad being on the east coast of us. Sf4 is easily my favorite game of all time and being able to play it again and it just feels like home or a warm blanket
@UC98DqRRDSGQ0y68XEihDQzw Whats up everyone, this is Justin Wong and we are here with one of the most popular fighting games, STREET FIGHTER 4!! Now who is top tier? low tier?
I feel like for newbs on up through intermediate levels Vega was actually really strong. Vanilla he was true garbage, but for the rest of the series, and especially in Ultra, he seemed pretty good. I played him quite a bit, and had success at most levels with him(online).. but whenever you'd watch pro tournaments he'd have a rough time. It's just Like J.Wong says in the video, it's more of a testament to how strong most USF4 characters were than it is a knock against the bottom tier.
@@schweedy1985 I hear you. You can def win no doubt but I agree with Justin Wong. He really should lose to most characters and it takes more skill to play with him. Justin Wong is def right with his assessment
@@keepingitrealgoesright1308Oh definitely, I wasn't saying he was wrong at all. I was just meaning that at lower levels of play where people aren't fully prepared to fight against Vega, he's actually pretty strong. He only starts to fall apart once you get to higher levels and people are prepared for his shenanigans.
Is Oni just not good or is he under played because for me I think evil Ryu makes sense but regular Akuma though he's good I wouldn't expect that someone educate me because I come from the Smash community but I know my street fighter gaming fundamentals but never chose to be competitive in the game I started with mvc2 then street fighter and then playing street fighter 4 and V after years of different childhood video games and played Oni more then Akuma whilst also playing ER with Oni so things confused me a bit here from a casual perspective
Capcom should DEFINITELY release a comemorative balance patch to USFIV! One of the greatest fighting games ever, and we have an active community still playing it. No need to invest development, or new characters. Just frame data and damage adjustments. It bothers me to this day that Elena is on Leroy´s level of nerfing needs. It would be much appreciated and would bring back a lot of players.
I am no pro player and I am no master on say, Blanka. But if others can play him at 120% we say, they play him at 120%, but when popular characters are played to the fullest potential, we say they are high tier or cheap. I think Blanka has an absolutely disgusting amount of range in this game. He has a lot of safe poke / neutral and footsies. He has a TON of range with his normals as well. He has the slide and his dash back / forward and old school Vega like evade.... make him so he can keep people guessing.I guess the problem is when you can switch sides in a blink, you cant also charge moves. If they gave him traditional shodo move commands he would be God tier. I think the mixup on blanka is very good and people never seem to see it till way later. Like in Turbo.
"Dont be mad if your character is in the trash tier. It doesnt mean they're trash."
Suddenly, I'm questioning all of JWongs tier lists...
But it's the same as T7 with USF4, it's not IMPOSSIBLE to win with any character you pick, it's just much more difficult. It basically comes down to lack of either cross up or overhead. But any character is fun to play
@@bruceleeds7988 it funny cause Justin put dhalsim trash tier but everyone online that used him was good at street fighter and won mostly
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 remember the days when NO ONE picked Rose till Luffy won?
it is coming from the come back king. So, hes saying you never know.
Kazunoko's Yun was probably the most dominant, so yun should have been higher in the S-tier, IMO.
This video was a throwback to when you ran out of quarters and were just chilling in the food court talking about the characters with the homies.
I love how the reason for Ryu being low is that "he's not cheap enough"
Agreed. As a current Ryu main from sf4 to sfv, I totally agree. He’s too balanced to deal with the other characters’ s shenanigans.
I still don’t understand how c viper is at tier
he's not lying lol. I stopped playing sf4 after ae came out. Man kept getting nerfed every patch.
@@rzinFN high level viper can mix you up with her feints, and she gets crazy meterless damage off of fierce feint fierce combos. Seismo (ground pound) can super jump cancel into itself on hit or block for chip and pressure. She can also super jump cancel combo into ultra 1. Viper is very formidable but has the highest execution ceiling in the game.
@@max-d8105 when did i comment, i swear im getting hacked
Rolento in low S
LTG screeches in the distance
"smug is dudley" i love that.
Smug is dudley though
@@blueicydasani4543 he literally just said that AND agreed.
@@liquidladdy ?? I'm simply agreeing to what messitup is saying
@@blueicydasani4543 That's what I'm saying its redundant lmao.
Oh
It is amazing that they were able to achieve this level of balance with that many characters.
Seriously though!! Granted some characters are copies in a way but all feel unique. You can spend weeks learning just 1 character... 46 with their own style... Yeah that's big
Then we got luke
One of the things I really appreciate USF4 for is that Dan got rebalanced into a non joke character. That Dan kick pressure and Air Dan Kick mobility was super cheesy and actually made him fun to play
His backdash was good too
Have you seen that vid Brian_F made about USF4 Dan? It's on youtube, you might already know all the stuff (I'm a real novice in terms of game knowledge) but I thought it was really interesting :)
Dan Kick pressure is a gimmick actually. He's a knowledge check character but not a good one. For the pressure, note that Dan Kick (light) is only plus on block if you crouch block. If you stand block, it's +0, and also you can always reversal through the gap, or just backdash.
@@ItsFuckinLoona And let's not forget that it's plus/0 AT BEST. It was minus 2 if I recall correctly, making Gief arguably his worst machtup.
Justin: Rolento is S tier
LTG has left the chat...😂
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Faxx XD
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The only reason anyone remember Dudley was because smug popularized him.. mad combos mad setups.. mad mad reaction.. he became the moyour of duff city.. respect man.. the only person in sf4 that played Dudley one one.. no one even bothered to pick him up.. mad respect for smug..
Marn had some good wins with Dudley back in super
Miller Wright You beat me to it :)
People definitely played Dudley, smug himself has shouted those players out. Smug still the king with the character though
@@Mr_Archer15 I was getting on the pro level. He's n
The only one that has used Dudley..
In japan i remember really good dudleys,even before smug was popular,watch tougeki 2012.
The S in Saikyo also stands for S-Tier so for that matter I think you should move Dan up to the top.
Haha S in Saikyo is for poop
@@TonyTarantula SAIKYO SUPER COOL
"Juri is really good"
-C tier lol
Speak volume of how balanced USF4 is
@@gungrave10 nah. Ultra was the 2nd worst form of the game in terms of balance other than Vanilla IMO. The most balanced was AE 2012
Oh yeah, the good ol' days when you had no one but Yin(or whatever the character name is).
@@eternalblasphemy6526 yeah it's Yun but your a bit misunderstood. That was Original AE. I'm talking about the AE 2012 update
@@TrueClipsDen idk, I woudl still say USFIV > AE 2012 but it depends on who your mains were.
I miss zangiefs green hand.... That should have been his vtrigger 2
I'm glad you didn't say vskill2.
@@Toomnyusernae I'm surprised I didn't get them confused like I always do. Yeah in this game green hand zangief would dominate if it was his vskill an could just throw it out. That needs to be limited. But strong when able to be used
I'm pleased they didn't give him green hand. It makes it that much more satisfying to have them get close to me. I mean, I lose so much health trying to walk in and push them to the corner. Why do all that work when I can just corner myself, take less push block and jab spd them lol. Stupid low level tactic I know but even if they want to zone me with projectiles, I still get meter faster than them. It all works out. Vskill 2 does more than green hand and I still prefer his vskill 1.
Defiant Hound yes
@@Toomnyusernae vskill 2 does more than green hand? I hope you're just talking about damage because in terms of utility gief ex green in usf4 is arguably the best ex move in the game and it opens up so many options. Sf5 has none of that. Justing is right when he said usf4 gief is the most powerful version of gief ever
Almost all of LTG's mains are in either top, or S tier (Rose, Rolento, Poison, Guy)
Mods, ban this punk-as s b 1 t c h!
@@manuelpatino7863 bro I just got timed
He should change his name to htf, high tier fraud
Guy is F tier, why would anyone main a weak character like him?
what about sf5 he mains urien
Might be kinda controversial, but SF4 is easily my favorite Street Fighter game and probably one of the best FGs out there to me. Might be because I developed an interest in (competitive) fighting games around the time when SF4 vanilla came out, and that interest only grew over the years as new editions of SF4 released. This was my main game for a hell of a long time, and all my experiences at local tournaments and such stem from this game kicking it all off for me. Yeah, I'm a dirty '09er.
I grew up with Sf2 as a teen and Sf4 is still my favorite of the series. Sf4 followed by SF2. You are not the only one, I play 5, but I don't find it anywhere close to 4. If every1 went back to 4 tomorrow, I would leave 5 in a heart beat.
My first fighting game was Usf4, I got it for 20$ at my local game store in 2014 when I was 9 and I was trash. After playing fighting games for years and falling in love with the genre I just got it for my PlayStation today and I love it
(I played sfv for a while now and like it a lot but this seems better. Might just be novelty)
Bro same.
Ssf4 - usf4 we’re solid games man. Don’t listen to the haters because they were also playing sf4 every day 😂
The first Street Fighter I ever played was SFII, I got so angry I didn't know how to shoot a hadouken I studied, learned to do it and fell in love, I ended up getting SSFIV and it was the first fighting game I would take time in learning technical combos, frame data, and match-ups. To this day after playing every Street Fighter but Sfex3 and SFV, its still my personal favorite. I still go back from time to time watching matches.
Never would imagine Honda higher on the list than Ryu lol.
Vega's placement hurt me physically,emotionally and spiritually
He rite tho. Except Zeus, then vega was A-Tier
yeh, Vega was just soooooooo gooooood in this game
Noam Paval Chomsky damn man, I miss watching Zeus so much
Was watching specifically for the Vega placement and stopped paying attention. When he said "Bottom 3.... Vega" I was shook
Man Of Culture lol!
King of Fighters man! Particularly '98 Ultimate Match, 2002 Unlimited Match, and XIII
This is one of my top 5 favorite fighting games. This game is awesome
Also, can we talk about this Eggman remix, and WHO THE HELL MADE IT?!
*sees in the start of the vid* oh...okay.
LOL isnt it amazing? I found it and just had to use it
CrimzonWolf777 it was made by Siivagunner a group of mash up artists mixing video game songs with a bunch of other stuff th-cam.com/video/c5fFT_KpBJ8/w-d-xo.html
That Oreimo theme instrumental? FBI on there way.
@@Demon_Curse look...i know...but I know good music, when I hear it LOL
Nobody knows what you're talking about.
hey man doing a USF4 tier list is actually incredibly difficult but i think your list was pretty good overall
I miss this game so much, I wish capcom would run SFV, USFIV and Third Strike in Capcom Pro Tour. They have current gen ports of all the games so it'd be nice to see them getting some competitive support
Hey Justin why don't you stream some Ultra Street Fighter sometimes 😃😉🕹
Come on bro why not you need some Ultra in your life 😉🕹😎
100%!!
Damn bro you said a whole sentence about my girl Juri
Proud to be a Dan main and Akuma secondary. Also known as "team Little Big"
SF4 had so much more character in play style. It's been said before, but if you watch the same character 5 matches in a row and no player name is showing, you can easily tell which player is playing at the time. I hope the next SF after 5 has every character and a better universal system. (i.e. mp/mk overhead from 3s/focus attack 4). I know company's need to make money, but having a game with real longevity is what makes a game fun to watch. To this day I watch videos from vanilla to USF4, and see all the tech be developed overtime is amazing. Even seeing Daigo abuse option selects in vanilla was amazing!
Eggman's theme mashed with the OreImo theme? Yep, that's my favorite Street Fighter song.
Thank you. You have saved me from going crazy, I thought I heard OreImo. P.s. It's a good anime Isn't it.
@@Slantos I enjoyed OreImo, but I was pretty annoyed about the ending
@@SonicFanChris4 Yep I agree
SF4 is still 100x better than SFV by a long shot, wish SF4 was brought back to capcom cup........the fights in SF4 were and still are more entertaining to watch than SFV matches.......imo.
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Oni is banned in tournament play
why?
@@Bluzlbee It's a meme
@@Bluzlbee when first added there was like a week where everyone online got bodied by oni and then everyone started using him and kinda broke the game, for a week. Then we learned how to block that cross up slash move then everything went back to normal. But for that week everyone started saying he's banned and it stuck as a joke
@@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677 Lol, that cross up slash gots nothing against the one year palm duration Yun did, day 1 released.
@@Bluzlbee Oni could hit the ultra from any where on screen using that cross up slash move. At lower level online play it was the cheapest thing I'd ever seen. The bad players never even used Yun
Gen was my main. I agree that he is more solid than people give him credit for. I was consistently able to hang with world-class players using him. I also played Bison, Rolento and Blanka on a regular basis.
Fun fact: A guy playing Vega managed to win the Swedish championship towards the end of the game's cycle, so that is a big testament to how good the design is in this game. (Another fun fact is that the same guy kicked me out of his lobby after losing to my Blanka ... but God damn, Blanka WAS an annoying character.)
Yun not top ten? Tripping
Early ultra gief was top 5. He was too much lol
What are the best characters for you?
As a lifelong Guy main, since SFA, I can confirm his Ultra 2 is the coolest thing in the world. It would actually make him a great character if it worked. But unlike virtually any other move in the game, you can't use input shortcuts to execute it. And unlike most Ultras/Supers, it's a half circle back instead of quarter circle. It would be one of the best punish moves in the game if you could consistently pull it off, but it's just so difficult, even for players with great execution. I could consistently land one frame links online, but had a ton of trouble pulling off his Ultra consistently.
Before they nerfed SRKxxFADCxxDash forward, it was -2 and a common tactic fo many characters and players, and I used to get awesome punishes with U2. But as a zero frame throw, it should punish everything -1 or worse, which is difficult to do on reaction, but way harder with no input shortcuts. If it worked, it would have been a game changer for him, as he was vulnerable to rush down because his only reversal cost meter and you couldn make it safe. But if you had Ultra, the opponent would have to worry than any move -1 would lead to them losing half of their life. It would encourage people to try Andrew zone him even though he was so hard to zone with his Bushin flip, especially Ex, and same thing with run slide, especially EX, and even his shoulder could hit a predictable projectile, and was pretty safe on a bad read/guess.
Guy doesn’t have a wake up without his ex meter 😢 and I hate the fact that his ultra 1 drops when you punish a ryu for doing tastumaki kicks
GUY MAINS STAND UPPPP
I remember J.Wong talking about grapplers on the NoFrillz podcast especially SF4 Gief. Dude went in on em. He seemed slightly triggered in this video lol
Lol. Do you remember the years of Snake eyes dunking on Ricky and Justin? Gief Rufus was 6:4 in 2012 but with red focus it became legit 7:3.
2 frame command grab, with full invincibility on ex... shit was godlike. Churn that butter and blow up any dropped block string for free.
T. Hawk is amazing and his command grab does so much damage, pretty underrated honestly
Love that mashup of E.G.G.M.A.N and Irony by ClariS at the start.
Bro, seeing this vid just randomly reminded me of those breakdowns you did for the 3rd strike characters in super SSF4....like 10 years ago. Never forget those beats either, so damn cool.
his dudley video is soooo funny to watch now. its sooooooo off and not exactly how Dudley ended up being lol
GMDKeepnclassy well, in his defence, those walkthroughs were released before the game was.
I think you underrate Chun, Juri, and Yang. They are probably A Tier
Maybe Yang but those other two aren't really better than ryu or Sagat
Yang for sure
Chun was fantastic as long as you were in control of the pace, but she always felt rough when under pressure. Your only option was exsbk, and every decent opponent knew it.
Especially after how hard Valmaster washed him. To be honest, his tier list only works til Ibuki. Everything after is shit
19:00 (english subtitles) "after that we're gonna go of cookin cocaine" lol
Cookin cocaine's pretty strong
It’s kind of weird that Elena and Chun Li switched places from Street Fighter 3 to 4
i want to see USF4 tier list next !
this one was great, really well said !
do it again and we will hear other opinions that didnt get said this time !
i do enjoy listening to your opinions on these matters.
well said.
oh lol hi
this is the only usf4 tier list on youtube thank you
Hi Justin thanks for the video!
At the beginning i felt kinda triggered when you put Ryu in C considering he got 2 Evo tournaments in his back but then again i agree with that you said. He always starts beeing godlike at the beginning and then he can't abuse or evolve with the system when more characters are introduced.
Miss this game so much. Thx for da content!
Can we get a tierlist on easiest to hardest characters to play?
I would say Ryu is a bit higher and Hakan is lower. Elena is SS tier and in some cases so is Poison. In general I agree with the rest. I love this game (I'm still playing, never got around to playing SF5 after 4, SF5 seems so boring). Thanks for the list Justin
Wiktor Kasz Yeah Ryu should be higher. He’s too honest though compared to his shoto counterparts
@@OldChanCharlie I'd say he was pretty cheap in the first version of the game and easily top 3. Light shoryuken (that was active for so long) anti-air into ultra for good dmg. No meter needed. Don't know how many times I saw that. He sure wasn't very honest in the beginning which is why so many scrubs played him. Ultra version of Ryu was much weaker though.
Elena is s tier but not SS tier, she was cracked but i think evil ryu is better, imo best character in the game, how i see it, elena can use her ultra 2 3 times which is pretty broken, but everything evil ryu had is better, good pokes, massive damage and insane combos, 2 good ultras to combo from, dive kick and raging demon along with kara demon, evil ryus a menace, best character in this game imo.
Although this video is a a few years too late, I still appreciate J.Wong for creating this Tier list. Cheers!
The man doesn't owe you chit. Where are your videos?
You're right, he doesn't owe anything, which is why I appreciated this video smh. As for my videos you ask? Sorry to disappoint you but they're non existent.
Years late tier lists are the best kind. Full of hindsight and mostly lacking in emotional baggage.
Cheers Justin, stay safe with your family . Thank you for the content
I didn't realize my main eventually made it to S tier. I was a C. Viper main . I played in tournaments for vanilla and Super and I think she was just mid back then. Hardly anybody used her either. I think I remember hearing during Arcade Edition somebody winning Evo with her. I'm not sure.
Latif finished second evo 2011 .... lost to fuudo in grand final
Music?
Do u play mk11
How awesome would it be if Justin did a video elaborating on his plinking tactics with Rufus and just about plinking in general in SFIV
Vega was only low tier in vanilla. At the end of USF4 vega is defo mid tier. Zeus destroyed you in East Coast Throwdown, with a perfect at the last round.
Damn boy, put more question marks in the title and some red highlights in the thumbnail, will ya?
Slick video!
The only fighting game where all the characters I found fun were mid/top tier
I’m waiting for Street Fighter X Tekken tier list.
I miss the SF4 days I feel like the FGC was so alive in comparison to today.
This video makes more happy to know that I bought Ultra SFIV instead of AESFV
Yomart1 -__- belive me you make the best decition...ill tel you the truth usf4 >>>> sfv champion edition...its more fun to play.
@@kolykarolina4656 nah, SFV:CE is a better game imo and more fun
no need to make comparison, why can't we all enjoy and appreciate both.... as long as you can buy the game and it has an online community to play with, pick what you prefer.
@@debo2189 You are correct sir, both games are great fun
@@johndcoffee632 both games are great fun, but SFV has a bigger online/competitive scene rn.
ehh the first ultra on oni is dope asf when u get the close range animation especially with the ko laugh he does
Looking back at because pops wants that run back on the PS3 little does he know im scheming and studying for my training
Edit also proud Ibuki main here
Whats sad is if you took dan and copy pasted him into sf5 hed probably be top tier.
I love the claris music in the background.
Fuck i must rewatch oreimo and eromanga sensei
Guy's Instant air grab is vicious. I'd put him a little higher. And then of course, since I was a Vega player, I'd have him higher as well lol. The only reason people consider Vega trash is because his moves have very little invincibility and all of his links are 1 frame links but to that regard, if you know how to play Vega you know that he's not a combo heavy character anyway. He's best played defensively.
Why decepre is ranked S?
Nice to meet u, Justin^^
Hv u been to the SF4 EVO b4?
Brilliantly done Jwong
My favorite character of the whole series at the time was Adon, and Adon was the absolute best he's ever been in SF4. I was thoroughly pleased with what they did to my guy who i screamed to the heavens to put in Super
Yeah Same here, wanted to play him seriously since alpha2, and was so satisfied with him in sf4.
I love that he’s a straight vicious acrobatic Muay Thai fighter without being a shoto like sagat is. He really stands out not just from sagat but from the rest of the cast. His specials give him some sick movement. He’s gotta come back man lol
Surprised he didn’t come back in v
decapre teleport was so crazy
I really feels like you're fighting a ghost a lot of the time 😂
Wonder how this would change if you allow version select. Which broken character was most broken?
I've got till 6:50 where the top 10 is completed and Yun isn't in there. That's all I have to say.
How is Yun not top 10? His combos were so good and his advantage was so hard to deal with.
Literally 11th.
@@Andres-xp3ez that's nice.
Well, gotta remember it's Justin's opinion. I'm sure this isn't 100% agreed on by all professional players. Don't worry about it. :)
@@aerisred13 that's a good attitude to have
I appreciate the acknowledgment that I have to work harder with Vega to win in this game. I still say Dan has a dp and a tatsu mix up while Deejay has a good fireball and ex dp as well knee bazooka which has priority and allows a change of jump arc so I’d say both those bottom 3s are stronger though I would say Deejay is a C tier imo
A really cheap super to ultra as well
All I can say that, I didn't own any console after ps1 but I saw a footage of diago playing as ryu in sfiv and diago was the man who made me to buy sfiv pc version and a atrox arcade stick, before that my last street fighter game I played was alpha 3 on ps1.
You're a living legend. Keep up the good work
Brings back so many good memories man...
On the 3DS you could make the buttons (a,b,y,x)be a charge move and it made Balrog unbeatable I figured out a strat for every character and destroyed grandmasters
I was a Hakan main since Super and it was the first fighting game I ever got into seriously/competetively. Talk about making it hard for yourself.
Lol, man Hakan was bad in super. By ultra he was solid but very difficult to optimise. Bet you learned how to play tho
@@johndcoffee632 When I first started learning some more games, and trying out more conventional characters I was like....holy moly, characters have these awesome, useful, straightforward options in fighting games? Blown away lol
Got the One X last week and I see that it's backwards compatible, does people still play it USFIV?
PC is the best spot for SF4 these days.
I play because I got a one recently too. There's barely anyone on anymore. All the players are Brazil england Spain for the most part. I have fiber internet so most of the time playing them isn't too bad being on the east coast of us. Sf4 is easily my favorite game of all time and being able to play it again and it just feels like home or a warm blanket
Would love to see your Super Turbo tier list.
I love USF4. Ryu and Ken are my two favorites to play as.
That Oreimo mashup in the beginning tho
Im honestly so confused as to how zangief is in s, and i play gief
J Wong tier lists are always sus bro
i play zan since vanilla but s tier? unbelieable
I play vega and i feel proud that he is trash tier cause winning makes it feel more good
To get rid of the ads. Fast forward to the end of the video. Press the replay button. You're welcome.
How about all editions roster tier list from II to VI
Most practical tierlist ever. How about the other way around? If you where a bot, what character would win?
Favorits are juri and cammy. Now we need a street fighter 5 tier list. Ultra one of my Favorit fighting games.
Is that that wario ware DIY soundtrack. So fire
So how many characters in S tier have a 5-5 matchup versus Elena?
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Whats up everyone, this is Justin Wong and we are here with one of the most popular fighting games, STREET FIGHTER 4!! Now who is top tier? low tier?
Zeus won a major with Vega, Amazing!
I actually have pride knowing Vega, my main was bottom 3 and still was winning natches though certain matchups ie Rufus were a nightmare
I feel like for newbs on up through intermediate levels Vega was actually really strong. Vanilla he was true garbage, but for the rest of the series, and especially in Ultra, he seemed pretty good. I played him quite a bit, and had success at most levels with him(online).. but whenever you'd watch pro tournaments he'd have a rough time. It's just Like J.Wong says in the video, it's more of a testament to how strong most USF4 characters were than it is a knock against the bottom tier.
@@schweedy1985 I hear you. You can def win no doubt but I agree with Justin Wong. He really should lose to most characters and it takes more skill to play with him. Justin Wong is def right with his assessment
@@keepingitrealgoesright1308Oh definitely, I wasn't saying he was wrong at all. I was just meaning that at lower levels of play where people aren't fully prepared to fight against Vega, he's actually pretty strong. He only starts to fall apart once you get to higher levels and people are prepared for his shenanigans.
@@schweedy1985 for sure I agree there
Is Oni just not good or is he under played because for me I think evil Ryu makes sense but regular Akuma though he's good I wouldn't expect that someone educate me because I come from the Smash community but I know my street fighter gaming fundamentals but never chose to be competitive in the game I started with mvc2 then street fighter and then playing street fighter 4 and V after years of different childhood video games and played Oni more then Akuma whilst also playing ER with Oni so things confused me a bit here from a casual perspective
I wanna know if Justin thinks SFV is better or worse than SFIV and why. It would be nice hearing a pro talk about the pros and cons of both.
Capcom should DEFINITELY release a comemorative balance patch to USFIV! One of the greatest fighting games ever, and we have an active community still playing it. No need to invest development, or new characters. Just frame data and damage adjustments.
It bothers me to this day that Elena is on Leroy´s level of nerfing needs. It would be much appreciated and would bring back a lot of players.
Claris-Irony on an usf4 tierlist in 2020.
Man, my saturday just got good!!
I am no pro player and I am no master on say, Blanka. But if others can play him at 120% we say, they play him at 120%, but when popular characters are played to the fullest potential, we say they are high tier or cheap.
I think Blanka has an absolutely disgusting amount of range in this game. He has a lot of safe poke / neutral and footsies. He has a TON of range with his normals as well. He has the slide and his dash back / forward and old school Vega like evade.... make him so he can keep people guessing.I guess the problem is when you can switch sides in a blink, you cant also charge moves.
If they gave him traditional shodo move commands he would be God tier. I think the mixup on blanka is very good and people never seem to see it till way later. Like in Turbo.
Now that Seth is in Street fighter v, what tier is he in that game
Guile and DJ were my mains while Honda and Rose were my trolling characters 😊
i played evil/ryu and akuma cus of daigo and tokido
SSS tier: Dan
How is Ryu C tier ? 🧐 He got answers for every situation ? I don't get it
Good video. Do more games!