The George Harvey Dry Fly Leader -- Design, Adjustment and Fishing Tips

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  • @chrisgrataski9911
    @chrisgrataski9911 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your podcast and articles have been game changing for me. But I must also say that the clarity and artfulness of these instructional videos is unparalleled, and they just keep getting better. Thanks so much to all of you at Troutbitten and Wilds Media. Truly grateful down here in Virginia.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a really kind comment. Thank you.

  • @marks.5288
    @marks.5288 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have used the Harvey leader formulas for 30 years, unbeatable.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right on.

  • @glenndotter5065
    @glenndotter5065 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always enjoy. Been casting flies for nearly 65 years and as you said at the end I pretty learned the different casts by doing them. My bud and I get a kick watching vids and saying " so thats what weve been doing all these years.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love it. Cheers.

  • @TedJ71
    @TedJ71 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been fly fishing for 50+ yr and spent a lot of time in central Pa and Spruce. Harvey is a legend in that area, touched a lot of peoples lives fishing over the years.

  • @craigisonychia
    @craigisonychia ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You guys are everything thats good about fly fishing. Keep it up

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey thanks! That makes my day. CHEERS.

  • @JarobJOrtiz
    @JarobJOrtiz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im super excited to give this recipe a shot. I've built out a bunch already. Only a month or so before the first significant hatch in my area.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice. Have fun.

  • @mathewcampbell8479
    @mathewcampbell8479 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a fantastic instructional video. I was using the Harvey leader last season, and yeah, it worked, but your recipe is a little more refined. Can't wait to try it out.

  • @HondoTrailside
    @HondoTrailside หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The thing with a properly adjusted Harvey is if you just cast it out, and it falls in s curves, and you don't have to do anything special. You can do other kinds of casts on top of it, but it will just cast out in curves.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  หลายเดือนก่อน

      When the tippet section is adjusted for the fly, you can accentuate either a power curve or a lagging curve, pretty easily.

  • @pjlee74
    @pjlee74 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the quality of your production is amazing! keep up good work

  • @kec2528
    @kec2528 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video. You sold me on the leader.

  • @tonystarksification
    @tonystarksification ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice I was just tying this. Thanks troutbitten.

  • @DeeThaPacker
    @DeeThaPacker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dear Dom, great work as always! I searched your website and couldn‘t find the answer to my question. How do you adjust the Harvey Leader when fishing large terrestrials/hoppers? With standard tapered leaders i prefer to go to 3x Tippet because on 5x and even 4x the tippet section starts to twist and distort heavily after a while. Would be great to hear how you change your Harvey Leader for fishing this kind of flies. Thank you!

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. Yes, remember that adjusting the tippet sections means ALL the tippet sections in the Harvey (if necessary). So not just the terminal piece, but the other sections as well. Basically, decide on a terminal tippet diameter, then built the section(s) behind that. If you have a #8 foam hopper, for example. I would choose 3X. So I'd clip back to the 2X. I would extend that 2X section out so it's about two feet in total, then I'd add about 24-36 inches of 3X.
      Now remember, that's all VERY relative. Fly size, air resistance, wind conditions, rod power, your casting stroke, etc. matters a lot.
      Have fun out there.

    • @DeeThaPacker
      @DeeThaPacker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Troutbitten thank you very much! Helps a lot! Will try that tomorrow ;) Greetings from Germany and tight lines!

  • @pascida323
    @pascida323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Haha very first cast @ 6:22 a fish rose for the fly lol😂
    Good video man! Putting this leader to work here in a few weeks!

  • @mattmeyer935
    @mattmeyer935 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your videos! However, I love the bloopers more!

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gotta have some fun. Cheers.

  • @gregd6799
    @gregd6799 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t wait for the first person stuff. Love my skwalas. I have the carbons, thinking about getting the RS’s too. I like the carbons better than my Simms G3s. Cheers!

  • @HondoTrailside
    @HondoTrailside หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You do not need a lot of different diameters. Get the Bolger formula, I think it just uses a butt, 2 middle sections and a tippet. And it does the same thing. Or you can get a standard leader and cut the butt off, and insert the 15 thou butt in it's place. Though personally, I don't see why one would bother since it only saves one tying one extra knot.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Borger formula is fine. But it does not do the same thing. Really doesn't.

  • @stringtwister7654
    @stringtwister7654 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your videos , the articles and podcasts! Thanks for sharing! So let me see if i got this right, the S curves keep the current from dragging on the fly when it hits the water? Its like a ariel mend? Thanks for thr help

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks. And yes, s-curves and some slack are the only way a dry fly can truly drift drag free in a river. With any current, the fly needs a little grace. But no, it's not an aerial mend. The Harvey Leader will land in great s-curves if you use what I call a Stop and Drop -- simply stopping the rod at 10:00, to allow for turnover, then dropping the tip. Here's a full article on that:
      troutbitten.com/2019/08/06/dry-fly-fishing-the-stop-and-drop/
      Lot's more in the links to this video and in that article link too. There's a ton of info for you on Troutbitten about this stuff. Get in touch if you need more direct links.
      Cheers

    • @stringtwister7654
      @stringtwister7654 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Troutbitten Thanks you so much for the help!

  • @lessthings40
    @lessthings40 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and website. Do you change the formula of this leader (besides the tippet) for different weight rods? 3wt vs 5wt? That sort of thing

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. Not at all. Fair question though.

  • @pahuntnut
    @pahuntnut ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to tie my own but in certain river systems like the upper Delaware, those knots are algea grabbers

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      I know what you mean. But man, it's a tiny percentage of water where that's actually a problem. I have a couple friends who are really good dry fly anglers up there, same river, and they use slack leaders like this, hand tied.

    • @pahuntnut
      @pahuntnut ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Troutbitten yes your right, I live close to the river and am there all the time. If i went further down river by Hale Eddy its not as bad. Thanks for the reply and love the podcast

  • @Twinhemlocks
    @Twinhemlocks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Dom, I really enjoy tying my own leaders. I was going to buy this one from your store but they are sold out(good on ya). I was wondering if I could use maxima ultragreen in place of the orvis supersoft, as I already have all the sizes I need? the only thing I will need to order is the maxima chameleon in 10 and 6#. Thanks as always for the excellent resource!!

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi there. Fair question, but no, I wouldn't use ultra green because it's not soft enough. It's not really tippet material, as I use it.

  • @eralc12
    @eralc12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have a formula for a 9 ft leader? Just add more tippet?
    Loving the 7 ft small stream leader

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good stuff. Yeah, I would just adjust the Harvey to be a little shorter or the small stream to be a little longer. All of the adjustments only in the 3x and thinner sections.

  • @daver1959
    @daver1959 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great video Dom! On a windy day would you cut off the 5x tippet to get the 4x section to turn over? Also, I fish a lot of tight water on smaller rivers where I’m making 25 foot casts or even shorter. Any tips for using the Harvey leader with only 6-8 ft of fly line outside the guides?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good questions. There's a lot to the adjustment, really. Check out the companion article here for more on that:
      troutbitten.com/2023/08/03/video-the-george-harvey-dry-fly-leader-design-adjustment-and-fishing-tips/
      There are links in this video and in that article to more resources about the Harvey leader. Adjustment is one of those things you need to experiment with. All of that is a long answer to your question, because I can't just say yes, cut the 5X off and choose a 4X tippet. Maybe, yes. But fly size and bushiness, rod power, wind speed and direction, casting style, distance, etc. all play a big part and making that decision.
      Lastly, yes, I would simply shorten each section in the leader recipe to downsize it for smaller streams if you like. So shorten each section by, say, 25%. That's a start.
      Cheers.
      Dom

  • @xtiansimon
    @xtiansimon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These measurements give you a 9.5 - 13.5 ft leader & tippet. I'm fishing small water with 7.5ft 3wt rod. Where would you suggest to scale to the rod size-- 1.6ft butt , 3.3ft mid., 4.8 - 7.2ft tippet ?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like a different leader build for that. Favorite Small stream leader here:
      troutbitten.com/2024/07/24/favorite-small-stream-leader-formula-reasons-and-stories/

  • @esjovold6572
    @esjovold6572 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I’ve heard of these leaders and even made a couple. This is the best description of why you would use them. Could you use Ultragreen instead of Chameleon, I have ultragreen. Thanks for the videos.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks. So the Harvey, or any similar slackleader design really is different, which as you said, I tried to highlight in this video. And that's because of how it's built. I always tell people you CAN sub whatever materials you like for any leader recipe you find. Testing things out is the best way to learn how different things can be. However, just like a new fly pattern I choose to tie and fish, I always like to tie leaders exactly as the recipe calls for (and fish it for a while) before I make any changes. And if I do make changes, I do so with a purpose -- meaning, there's a reason I modify the leader or the fly, because I'm trying to achieve something.
      I suppose my point here is that I wouldn't use Ultragreen just because you have that laying around. I would first tie and fish the Harvey as the recipe calls for. Chameleon is far stiffer than Ultragreen, so the performance -- the punch -- will be quite a bit different. I'm sure of that.
      Cheers.

    • @esjovold6572
      @esjovold6572 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Troutbitten Thanks for the info. I’ve never worked with Chameleon and didn’t realize it was stiffer. I might have to do some looking and see if I can find some locally. There isn’t a lot of fly shops locally. I enjoy learning about leaders, I feel they are probably one of the most misunderstood parts of fly fishing.

    • @andrewstager1378
      @andrewstager1378 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@esjovold6572I grabbed my various chameleon spools on Amazon. Some of it arrived same-day.

  • @Edgemoore7
    @Edgemoore7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the video - very helpful. I have all the line sizes in Maxima Ultragreen. What does the chameleon line provide vs just the ultragreen?
    Thanks in advance.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi there. Thanks for asking. Ultragreen is just a softer material. The design of the Harvey is for power up front and softness at the end. It's a delicate balance. I've tried many materials for the butt sections. There's nothing like Chameleon. Here's a full article on the design:
      READ: Troutbitten | Dry Fly Fishing -- The George Harvey Leader Design
      troutbitten.com/2019/07/21/dr...

    • @Edgemoore7
      @Edgemoore7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks so much for the guidance. Jeez, so much to learn…
      Thanks
      New subscribers and supporter.

  • @LinusCyrilBrown
    @LinusCyrilBrown 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you use a 10' 4'' for the harvy, or do you have a dedicated dry fly rod?
    Thanks so much for the video guys, enjoy the day.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cheers. I'm a believer in versatility, not specialization. To me, it seems foolish to want/need a streamer rod, a dry fly rod, a rod for tight lining, a rod for indy work, etc. We have the opportunity to do ALL of these things in a morning of fishing a trout river. And trout change throughout the day. So we may NEED all of those tactics, back to back. Therefore, I fish what I do -- the 10' 4 weight, as the rod that works best for my daily conditions, allowing me to match all of those opportunities. Long answer to say, YES, the 1004 works perfectly with the Harvey. I have articles about this on Troutbitten as well.
      troutbitten.com/2017/10/15/fifty-fly-fishing-tips-12-use-a-versatile-and-general-fly-rod/
      troutbitten.com/tag/fly-rods/
      Hope that helps.
      Dom

    • @LinusCyrilBrown
      @LinusCyrilBrown 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Troutbitten Thanks Dom, I read your article on "a versatile and general fly rod", carrying only one rod on the river, and choosing a versatile tool makes a lot of sense. I suppose my initial worry was that accuracy would suffer with the longer rod, but I suppose that is simply a matter of getting to know your tool as you mentioned on a recent podcast on the micro and standard mono rig. Thanks so much for your help, and all you do, cheers!

  • @bobnorman5269
    @bobnorman5269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe you have a tip that can help me. I want to tie some Harvey leaders. My blood knot skills are, to say the least, embarrassing even with a tool. My issue is how to determine the length of the material before tying the blood knot. I have tried adding an extra 2 inches before tying the knot but due to lack of skill that varies each time. Not sure how critical the section lengths are but this design seems very specific.
    Any tips to help a klutz to make this more accurate?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      More practice. Everything good takes some time. Think about it. If you tie 200 blood knots, you'll get pretty good at it.

    • @bobnorman5269
      @bobnorman5269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Troutbitten thanks. Most things in life are like that aren’t they.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For sure.

  • @Deaddriftbum
    @Deaddriftbum ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang that’s one new lookin vest you got there lol. Almost like the what’s in your vest video was one of the last times you fished it hahaha

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      IT WAS! I retired it after that video. Should have had a service or something.

    • @Deaddriftbum
      @Deaddriftbum ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Troutbitten I just finished the latest podcast on the way home from work where you mentioned it then this video drops. Had to make the comment lol

  • @VTBullitt
    @VTBullitt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What color lenses do you wear? Does it change if it’s super bright out?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here's the Troutbitten Recommended Gear page with some answer to that:
      troutbitten.com/recommended-gear/
      Yes, I wear amber or yellow, depending on the light conditions.

  • @coreylabarge126
    @coreylabarge126 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you attaching this on the fly line, not a 15' or 20' maxima butt section?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      Goes straight to the fly line, yes.

  • @TakaVln
    @TakaVln 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How does this leader do if I'm fishing dries but decide I want to add a weighted nymph for a dry dropper setup?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do that a lot. Works great.

  • @CarlosGarcia-507
    @CarlosGarcia-507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @troutbitten do you end the leader with a tippet ring or just triple surgeons the tippet you choose?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good question, but no, I don't like tippet rings there, no matter how small they are. Double surgeons is great. No need for a triple.

    • @CarlosGarcia-507
      @CarlosGarcia-507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Troutbitten thanks for the quick response! Just tied some up, can’t wait to try it out!

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice

  • @ryannelson8918
    @ryannelson8918 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Dom, do you ever pair the GHL with the standard mono rig or are you always using it with fly line? I’ve been using the standard mono rig for dry fly fishing lately and I’m loving it, for shorter distances

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely with fly line! Cheers.

  • @oldsmugglerflyfishing
    @oldsmugglerflyfishing ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting video.

  • @DallasLopez1
    @DallasLopez1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So… what’s the design when you need to size up for bigger fish? Say 2x-0x tippet? But still dry flies?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Matt and I talk through that on Season 12 of the Troutbitten Podcast -- Dry Fly Skills Series. S12, Ep3, Leader Design and Adjustment. Here's the link:
      troutbitten.com/2024/08/11/podcast-dry-fly-skills-series-3-leader-design-and-adjustment-s12-ep3/
      Short answer is I use the same leader and simply cut back to the 2x and then lengthen it to suit. I will say, I personally never fish 1X or Ox for trout with dry flies. I do it at night, but that's a whole other kind of dry fly fishing. (Troutbitten articles and stuff on that too.)
      Cheers.

    • @DallasLopez1
      @DallasLopez1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Troutbitten actually, different species same technique and fly sizes! I’ve just been playing around with leaders a bit this year and came across this video. So I thought I’d ask.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. What species are you fishing dries for that requires a picky dead drift? The Harvey is built for providing slack and being accurate with it. Introducing any real slack will be tough on any thick leader of more than about 2X, in my experience.

  • @stevenjones5930
    @stevenjones5930 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video Dom. I’ve heard some people have issues with the blood knots getting stuck in the guides when a bigger fish decides to take a second run. Any experience with that?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fair question. Two things there . . .
      First, simply tie clean blood knots and clip them FLUSH, with no tags. A knot like this will not hang up.
      Second, a Harvey leader, at .015 on the butt section, attached with a clinch knot to the fly line loop is MUCH cleaner going through the guides than a loop to loop connection with a .022 or larger diameter butt section.
      Article here:
      troutbitten.com/2019/03/06/loop-to-loop-is-bad-try-attaching-your-leader-to-the-fly-line-this-way/
      Those are my thoughts. Hope that helps. Cheers.

    • @stevenjones5930
      @stevenjones5930 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Troutbitten thanks Dom! Always appreciate the insight

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stevenjones5930 Sure thing

  • @CarlosGarcia-507
    @CarlosGarcia-507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:22 you had a take! 😂

  • @TheRadoProject
    @TheRadoProject ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey troutbitten, i have a really important question, what microphone are you guys using for your content? Sounds super crisp, please let me know, thank you!

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. It's a Rhode Wireless Go 2. Hope that helps.
      Cheers.

  • @stevecavanagh712
    @stevecavanagh712 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8.10 my man casually doing helicopters with the line while explaining his cast

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey now!

  • @markaogb
    @markaogb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this leader for regular fly line and Rod or its on a Euro line and Rod ?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh boy, you opened up a can of worms there. Short answer is fly line. Use the Harvey leader with regular fly line. Longer answer and a lot of important details about tight line tactics and euro nymphing, clearing up so many misconceptions and limitations is here, in these couple Troutbitten article links.
      The Best Fly Rods for the Mono Rig and Euro Nymphing
      troutbitten.com/2021/09/22/the-best-fly-rods-for-the-mono-rig-and-euro-nymphing-my-favorite-rods/
      Euro Nymphing and the a Mono Rig
      troutbitten.com/2018/01/10/what-is-euro-nymphing-and-what-is-the-mono-rig/
      Make sense?

  • @coreygreen6640
    @coreygreen6640 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A majority of your leaders are out of stock….when will these be available again?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We do leader sales 3-4 times a year. We end up selling about a thousand leaders each time. It's pretty crazy. Next leader sale is August 21. So real soon. Thanks for asking.

    • @coreygreen6640
      @coreygreen6640 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Troutbitten excellent, I’ll be on the lookout. Thanks.

  • @ks-eq3yx
    @ks-eq3yx ปีที่แล้ว

    It's 50 per cent about the leader and the rest about you promoting products then?

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, I'm proud of the relationships I have with the companies I call partners, and the built-in sponsorship from a fly fishing company is better than a bunch of random ads from TH-cam, in my opinion, because here I get to share with you some of my favorite things that I use every day. Likewise, I'm proud of what I've built in the Troutbitten Shop, and I'm happy to offer these leaders for sale. I also provide the recipe for the Harvey to DIY -- always have.
      Troutbitten is my business, not a hobby. And it's what I work on every day, all day. These videos require 20+ man hours each. I think you can tell they aren't just thrown together quickly. So the revenue generated is both appreciated and necessary to keep the Troutbitten Project moving forward.
      Thanks for your question.
      Cheers.

  • @wendyroberts4883
    @wendyroberts4883 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ridiculously over complicated. I will stick to 5 feet of a chopped down, knotless tapered leader, tippet ring and then DIY the front end of the leader. Simple.

    • @Troutbitten
      @Troutbitten  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That works too, just in a different way. Go get 'em.