This has happened on a few recent videos - always the contentious topics like cables or differences between digital-only devices like streamers. I can only assume it's someone getting cranky and trying to cause problems.
No. Not Botting and I've already addressed this on another post here. Whatever is causing the weird activity has also occurred on other recent videos on apparently contentious topics. Unfortunately, I can only assume that someone who is getting heated about me discussing cables is trying to disrupt the channel with bot attacks. TH-cam is quick to cull any fake bots and there is no benefit at all to my channel. In fact, it just serves to mess up my analytics and make them useless for a week or two.
@PassionforSound Yet again, the like count is way too high. You have more likes than views. Either you or Effect Audio are buying likes to game to algorithm. If it's you, stop before you destroy your reputation. If it's them, you should call them out, flag the video for their attempt to manipulate, and stop working with a company shady enough to do that.
As I said in your other comment about this issue, the problem has been flagged and it has also occurred on videos on other topics (i.e. no Effect Audio involvement). Beyond that, I have no insight as to the cause, but I would prefer it didn't happen too as it does me no favours (fake likes and subscribers are all removed within a couple of days) age messes up the relevance of my channel analytics.
Do you have proof of this??? I would be very worried you may be up for a libel suit for publicly accusing people of this. What is your problem here? It sounds like a personal vendetta against @passion for sound which is just nasty and vindictive……
@andrewkateb lol, I have no vendetta. I am a subscriber or I wouldn't have even noticed. He replied and said he has no idea and I'll take him at his word. The "proof" is documented on reddit, which I suspect is where a lot of other commenters came from too. There are two documented instances where there were way more likes than views. Even with TH-cam delay, it's completely unlikely to be that given the degree of difference that has been documented. Anecdotally, I've checked in and have seen the same thing happen here on other videos. Maybe it's haters. Maybe it's brands. Maybe it's Passion. No one can say. What I *will* say is that he always struck me as an honest guy, which is what made seeing this multiple times surprising and alarming.
@@realegt ok. And yes, I agree he is an absolutely honest guy who would NOT be doing this. I would put money on someone doing this to discredit him. I know he accepts publicly that he will be loved and hated but people need to get absolute proof before accusing anyone of anything these days, or pure muckraking takes over which is not fair.
No, there's zero benefit for the cable company and this has happened on other recent videos on other topics (i.e. nothing to do with that company) recently. My guess is it's someone who's getting cranky about certain topics like cables and digital devices (e.g. streamers) being discussed as influencing the sound.
Excellent review PassionForSound you explained every aspect of the cables clearly and eloquently I feel more informed to make a decision on wether or not to buy one of these fine products Kudos and thanks for all the work you put into these highly informative videos 👍
For anyone finding the comments about like botting, TH-cam seems to have caught on. 17 hours after posting and in the last 30 minutes he has lost about 900 likes on the counter and falling.
Annnd the likes are hundreds more than the views again. Lachlan, you need to comment here. Is it Effect Audio or is it you? Someone needs to address this because the trust level is now in the toilet.
I can only assume that someone who gets really heated about me reviewing cables is trying to attack the channel and have it blocked somehow. Each time I have posted a video like this recently, I've had a massive spike in bot subscribers and this kind of jump in likes that aren't in line with views (but only on those videos). I've reported it to TH-cam and they trim the bots within a couple of days. It adds no benefit to me and completely screws my channel analytics so I can assure you that I'm not doing it and I can't see why Effect Audio would either.
I see that you got RN6 in CIEM, congrats! They look absolutely gorgeous! I got my universal RN6 after watching your review and reading so many other high praises, and I’ve been enjoying listening to them every day for two months now.
It's not done by me. It provides bo benefit to the channel, gets removed and corrected rapidly by TH-cam and just serves to make my analytics useless for a week or two.
Yes. This has occurred on 3-4 videos recently, each time a video on a contentious topic such as cables or digital-only gear like streamers. No need for it to alter trust though as it brings zero benefits to the channel. All the extra likes and subs are removed automatically by TH-cam within about a day and all it achieves is to make my analytics data meaningless for a period of time.
I didn't compare to the stock cable because it's not a common enough IEM for that to be meaningful to most people. I can say though that the stock cable is quite similar to the Fusion 1 in tonality, but without the same level of separation and perhaps the Fusion 1 is a touch smoother, but I haven't done detailed comparisons with the stock cable to be 100% certain
It's crazy that you can buy XD05 Pro for the price of some of the cables. That thing is of incredible value for what it can do. I bought it for office / travel but ended up on my main system most of the time, confidently displacing pricier separates.
I must say I appreciate the video Lachlan, but I'm just thinking of the audio gear I could buy with it's cables and all at the price of these cables, this is some seriously diminishing return territory.
@@PassionforSound I visited one of the local dealers right after watching your review. The 24 was great! However, they don't have the Fusion 1 for comparison. Do you consider the Fusion 1 an upgrade version of the code 24? 😊
I don't think the Fusion 1 is necessarily an upgrade so much as just a different option. It IS a lovely cable though and after much back and forth, that's the cable that's how connected to my Radon 6s.
I think i might buy the Code 24C cable, if i can get a suitable connection for the IE600's. Currently I'm using the Sennheiser IE 600 which i find incredibly comfortable and fit in my ears perfectly but ive had a lot of connection issues with the stock cable and need to replace it. Separate from this, i would happily spend a couple of thousand Aussie dollars on new, better IEMš but from what ive seen so far, they all look far more bulky and uncomfortable than the Sennheiser. As a comparison, in my ears right now, i have the Meze Audio RAI PENTA. Those to my ears have better sound than the IE 600 but they aren't anywhere near as comfortable or as well fitting than the Sennheiser's. I don't particularly want to spend $2,000+ AUD on new IEM's (I cant go out to get custom fit designs) that are less comfortable than the $1,200+ ones or whatever the IE 600 cost at the time of release. Having said all that, can Anyone possibly suggest high end IEM's that are Natural or warm sounding, preferably with more bass if its possible without a floor-standing subwoofer than either the IE600 or RAI PENTA ? Thanks
I might have an answer for you, but I haven't tried them yet. I've got the Westone Mach 70s here for review and they're meant to be a nice, smooth sounding IEM so stay tuned (and I hope you can wait a little 🙂)
@@PassionforSoundCode 23 is much more fun than Code 24 imo. It's the only cable on the market that brings drastic changes to any IEM, especially in soundstage depth and subbass department.
I wonder what the Code 24C is worth compared to the Beat Audio Vermilion? The 8W version is a bit more expensive than the Code 24C but perhaps better quality? The question remains...
Question - which version of Miranda did you use? On Qobuz there is a "CD" quality and an higher resolution (24bit/96kHz) version. The former seems a bit better sounding to me - particularly when the band kicks up the volume at about 48 seconds. It is more "dimensional" and has more space around various instruments. The high rez seems more 2D and more parts are hard panned left/right.
I didn't actually pay attention to that. I wasn't seeking the best possible recording so much as listening to a bunch of tracks and then choosing one that have me some insights to make some notes from.
No need to apologise. 🙂 As I said at the end, I don't recommend that anyone buy a cable of these values unless they're interesting way more in the IEMs as a starting point. Even then, I'm not recommending these as necessary, just sharing what I hear for those who are interested.
We all know that with eq you can't make a 20usd IEM like the zero2 sound like a 3500usd IEM like the radon6. How do you measure that appart from price? There are things that frequency response or thd graphs don't convey. Just try it! If you can't hear a difference, you are lucky because you'll save money. If you do, however, then you are also lucky because you now have options to enjoy your music more. Why is that so hard to accept for so many people? Clearly, the cable on its own won't completely retune the IEM, it's subtle, and with cheapo IEMs the difference is definitely not audible. But try the high end stuff at a store. You might be surprised!
You also need to remember that the signal from your music device must travel through this cable to get to your IMs degradation in that cable poor cable utilization will cause degradation in your music The higher the quality of the cable the easier it is for that electrical signal to travel up it
Anyone with an engineering background would hopefully know that materials in every field have improved over time and that almost nothing in science is fixed in stone, but is always incrementally improving through innovation and further studies. Why do you expect that cables are immune to these same principles?
@@PassionforSound you sir are exactly correct!! Metallurgy has come a long way. Electrical impulses travel along the best path always. The better the path the less resistance it meets, and the less resistance needed to push the signal. Using a poor cable in this instance will cause the signal transformer to fail in certain points due to microscopic fractures in the metal strand. The signal impulses will be degraded as the length of the cable expounds the signal loss. The worse the cable make up, coupled with length of cable will cause serious impedance loss and therefore signal degradation. In summation, the better the cable the better the signal can travel. It's like you driving your car in a bumpy dirt road we're both going to the same point yet I'm on a smooth highway who's going to get there faster who's going to have the best travel going there it would be me
@@PassionforSound You have all missed the point here, no one here will purely back science (measurements won't tell you everything) "let your ear's tell you" yet ask for some A/B/X testing and you run for cover .....don't pull the science card, if your not in the science corner ....
it doesn't matter how good they look or what kind of cable materials and gimmicks they use in the end on the day if they are NOT comfortable to use they are worthless and pointless and these cable are exactly that Very Heavy, Very Stiff, has memory and microphonics and as a bonus it will literally tear off your ears after 30min. of use so definitely worth $600 and more right 😂 😂 😂 Almost all 2 and 4 Core use thick wires that makes then heavy also they have memory and microphonics and very uncomfortable to use if you want comfortable cable pick 8 or 16 Core most 8 and 16 Core cables are light thin very very soft no memory at all and no microphonics all this makes them very comfortable to use which is exactly what you want from a IEM cable btw 90% of all Expensive IEM cables are Very uncomfortable to use sure they may be great cables and very cool looking or with great sound but so what when you can't even use them
Actually my concern of cables is 1st number of wires.. 2-24 wires which i has 2 and max 24..all bal terminations yup pentaconn 4.4..This days most r using 4 wires.. Ha3.. Peace! btw mine pure copper with silver plated.. Peace2!
@masterazlan6999 number of wires is no substitute for wire gage which leads back to ergonomics. Everyone who had a Code 23 wanted a more ergonomic version and the 24C is that, but unfortunately limited to 500 units. The 24 is just a continuation of a headphone cable with iem terminations. For those with CIEM's it's not that bad with the weight of those cables but there's no chance they fit comfortably into the manufacturers circle cases requiring an aftermarket case or installation and removal/wrapping for travel. Regardless, I'm not sure what your response has to do with PW models or Liquid Links particularly in response to the coaxial codes.
Have u noticed there's a radical differences between 2 wires and 24 wires cables Yup with bal terminations?.. For me 2nd point after numbers of wires is Materials.. Lucky u i gave 2 tips already.. Peace3!
@@masterazlan6999 I have 3 PW cables, 3EA, and a Venom. All 4.4 terminated. You're not making any points 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who makes a 2 wire? Do you understand the difference between strands wires and shares? The only "2 wire" cable is called solid speaker wire.
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 76 | คู่เอก "ผึ้งหลวง vs สมิงดำ"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9SBshmGQOIM/mqdefault.jpg)
yo how come the likes are more than the views?
This has happened on a few recent videos - always the contentious topics like cables or differences between digital-only devices like streamers. I can only assume it's someone getting cranky and trying to cause problems.
Dude, you're going to have to address the view/like ratio nonsense.
He is botting.
No. Not Botting and I've already addressed this on another post here. Whatever is causing the weird activity has also occurred on other recent videos on apparently contentious topics. Unfortunately, I can only assume that someone who is getting heated about me discussing cables is trying to disrupt the channel with bot attacks. TH-cam is quick to cull any fake bots and there is no benefit at all to my channel. In fact, it just serves to mess up my analytics and make them useless for a week or two.
@@PassionforSound Glad to hear it. While I don't agree with some of your content, I appreciate the effort and time it takes to put together.
@PassionforSound Yet again, the like count is way too high. You have more likes than views. Either you or Effect Audio are buying likes to game to algorithm. If it's you, stop before you destroy your reputation. If it's them, you should call them out, flag the video for their attempt to manipulate, and stop working with a company shady enough to do that.
As I said in your other comment about this issue, the problem has been flagged and it has also occurred on videos on other topics (i.e. no Effect Audio involvement). Beyond that, I have no insight as to the cause, but I would prefer it didn't happen too as it does me no favours (fake likes and subscribers are all removed within a couple of days) age messes up the relevance of my channel analytics.
Do you have proof of this??? I would be very worried you may be up for a libel suit for publicly accusing people of this. What is your problem here? It sounds like a personal vendetta against @passion for sound which is just nasty and vindictive……
And it seems you are a serial offender. Maybe seek some counseling?
@andrewkateb lol, I have no vendetta. I am a subscriber or I wouldn't have even noticed. He replied and said he has no idea and I'll take him at his word.
The "proof" is documented on reddit, which I suspect is where a lot of other commenters came from too. There are two documented instances where there were way more likes than views. Even with TH-cam delay, it's completely unlikely to be that given the degree of difference that has been documented. Anecdotally, I've checked in and have seen the same thing happen here on other videos.
Maybe it's haters. Maybe it's brands. Maybe it's Passion. No one can say.
What I *will* say is that he always struck me as an honest guy, which is what made seeing this multiple times surprising and alarming.
@@realegt ok. And yes, I agree he is an absolutely honest guy who would NOT be doing this. I would put money on someone doing this to discredit him. I know he accepts publicly that he will be loved and hated but people need to get absolute proof before accusing anyone of anything these days, or pure muckraking takes over which is not fair.
2.1k likes vs 1.4k views? What the hell is going on?
Botting by the cable company.
No, there's zero benefit for the cable company and this has happened on other recent videos on other topics (i.e. nothing to do with that company) recently. My guess is it's someone who's getting cranky about certain topics like cables and digital devices (e.g. streamers) being discussed as influencing the sound.
What I will say from all of this is that the build quality looks outstanding.
Yes. The build is amazing!
Excellent review PassionForSound you explained every aspect of the cables clearly and eloquently I feel more informed to make a decision on wether or not to buy one of these fine products Kudos and thanks for all the work you put into these highly informative videos 👍
I'm so glad I could help! 🙂
For anyone finding the comments about like botting, TH-cam seems to have caught on. 17 hours after posting and in the last 30 minutes he has lost about 900 likes on the counter and falling.
Annnd the likes are hundreds more than the views again. Lachlan, you need to comment here. Is it Effect Audio or is it you? Someone needs to address this because the trust level is now in the toilet.
I can only assume that someone who gets really heated about me reviewing cables is trying to attack the channel and have it blocked somehow. Each time I have posted a video like this recently, I've had a massive spike in bot subscribers and this kind of jump in likes that aren't in line with views (but only on those videos). I've reported it to TH-cam and they trim the bots within a couple of days. It adds no benefit to me and completely screws my channel analytics so I can assure you that I'm not doing it and I can't see why Effect Audio would either.
I see that you got RN6 in CIEM, congrats! They look absolutely gorgeous! I got my universal RN6 after watching your review and reading so many other high praises, and I’ve been enjoying listening to them every day for two months now.
Thank you! They're such a wonderful IEM. I'm glad I could help you choose them and that you're enjoying them so much!
nice like botting
It's not done by me. It provides bo benefit to the channel, gets removed and corrected rapidly by TH-cam and just serves to make my analytics useless for a week or two.
Weird like/view ratio.. i don't trust this content
Yes. This has occurred on 3-4 videos recently, each time a video on a contentious topic such as cables or digital-only gear like streamers. No need for it to alter trust though as it brings zero benefits to the channel. All the extra likes and subs are removed automatically by TH-cam within about a day and all it achieves is to make my analytics data meaningless for a period of time.
Congrats on the RN6 CIEM! (Welcome to the club 😉) You left out the comparison to the stock coaxial CJS though!
I was about to type the same thing, the RN6 is a fun & engaging IEM.
I didn't compare to the stock cable because it's not a common enough IEM for that to be meaningful to most people. I can say though that the stock cable is quite similar to the Fusion 1 in tonality, but without the same level of separation and perhaps the Fusion 1 is a touch smoother, but I haven't done detailed comparisons with the stock cable to be 100% certain
It's crazy that you can buy XD05 Pro for the price of some of the cables. That thing is of incredible value for what it can do. I bought it for office / travel but ended up on my main system most of the time, confidently displacing pricier separates.
That's so true!
Nice comparison. Glad you got the xd05pro, its a beast. Fyi the sparkos opamps seem to fit! Elise audio sells a combo with them
Glad you liked it. Yes, I've got the SS3602 op-amps in there now. It's a slightly tight fit, but it works!
I must say I appreciate the video Lachlan, but I'm just thinking of the audio gear I could buy with it's cables and all at the price of these cables, this is some seriously diminishing return territory.
Absolutely! As I said at the end, I don't recommend these sorts of cables for anyone who isn't already spending 2-3x this on the IEMs (or more)
Great video! Wondering which one to get for the Krypton 5 for more clarity.
For clarity, get the CODE 24 as it bumps that up a bit. 🙂
@@PassionforSound I visited one of the local dealers right after watching your review. The 24 was great! However, they don't have the Fusion 1 for comparison. Do you consider the Fusion 1 an upgrade version of the code 24? 😊
I don't think the Fusion 1 is necessarily an upgrade so much as just a different option. It IS a lovely cable though and after much back and forth, that's the cable that's how connected to my Radon 6s.
I think i might buy the Code 24C cable, if i can get a suitable connection for the IE600's. Currently I'm using the Sennheiser IE 600 which i find incredibly comfortable and fit in my ears perfectly but ive had a lot of connection issues with the stock cable and need to replace it. Separate from this, i would happily spend a couple of thousand Aussie dollars on new, better IEMš but from what ive seen so far, they all look far more bulky and uncomfortable than the Sennheiser. As a comparison, in my ears right now, i have the Meze Audio RAI PENTA. Those to my ears have better sound than the IE 600 but they aren't anywhere near as comfortable or as well fitting than the Sennheiser's. I don't particularly want to spend $2,000+ AUD on new IEM's (I cant go out to get custom fit designs) that are less comfortable than the $1,200+ ones or whatever the IE 600 cost at the time of release. Having said all that, can Anyone possibly suggest high end IEM's that are Natural or warm sounding, preferably with more bass if its possible without a floor-standing subwoofer than either the IE600 or RAI PENTA ? Thanks
I might have an answer for you, but I haven't tried them yet. I've got the Westone Mach 70s here for review and they're meant to be a nice, smooth sounding IEM so stay tuned (and I hope you can wait a little 🙂)
Lachlan, you should try the Centurion cable
I'm always up to try anything, but I can't buy them all so need loaners / review units to be able to cover them all.
Bruh, earned yourself an unsub for this botting nonsense and cable shilling smh
I have code 23 and love it. Great review as always thank you Lachlan!
I never tried the CODE 23, but I can understand why you'd love it based on my experiences with the 24 & 24C.
@@PassionforSoundCode 23 is much more fun than Code 24 imo. It's the only cable on the market that brings drastic changes to any IEM, especially in soundstage depth and subbass department.
Sounds like an interesting cable!
I wonder what the Code 24C is worth compared to the Beat Audio Vermilion? The 8W version is a bit more expensive than the Code 24C but perhaps better quality? The question remains...
Yes, I can't help with that one - sorry.
@@PassionforSound However, thank you very much for your videos, they are appreciated.
sales video
Yes, a sales video where I recommend the cheapest of the three products I'm discussing. I'm sure that brand is thrilled with my efforts! 😉
Question - which version of Miranda did you use? On Qobuz there is a "CD" quality and an higher resolution (24bit/96kHz) version. The former seems a bit better sounding to me - particularly when the band kicks up the volume at about 48 seconds. It is more "dimensional" and has more space around various instruments. The high rez seems more 2D and more parts are hard panned left/right.
I didn't actually pay attention to that. I wasn't seeking the best possible recording so much as listening to a bunch of tracks and then choosing one that have me some insights to make some notes from.
nothing will ever convince me to spend that type of money on an iem cable unless I can hear God speak to me directly - sorry
No need to apologise. 🙂
As I said at the end, I don't recommend that anyone buy a cable of these values unless they're interesting way more in the IEMs as a starting point. Even then, I'm not recommending these as necessary, just sharing what I hear for those who are interested.
Really nice cables. I especially like the color and design of the purple cable.
Me too. The blue is a bit too bright for my visual tastes so the fact that I prefer the sound of the more subdued looking cable is a bonus!
Are you one of the 500?
I'm not sure how they handle review samples (if that question was directed to me)
More cable fairytale's ....one day proper A/B/X testing will happen.....
We all know that with eq you can't make a 20usd IEM like the zero2 sound like a 3500usd IEM like the radon6. How do you measure that appart from price? There are things that frequency response or thd graphs don't convey. Just try it! If you can't hear a difference, you are lucky because you'll save money. If you do, however, then you are also lucky because you now have options to enjoy your music more. Why is that so hard to accept for so many people? Clearly, the cable on its own won't completely retune the IEM, it's subtle, and with cheapo IEMs the difference is definitely not audible. But try the high end stuff at a store. You might be surprised!
You also need to remember that the signal from your music device must travel through this cable to get to your IMs degradation in that cable poor cable utilization will cause degradation in your music The higher the quality of the cable the easier it is for that electrical signal to travel up it
Anyone with an engineering background would hopefully know that materials in every field have improved over time and that almost nothing in science is fixed in stone, but is always incrementally improving through innovation and further studies. Why do you expect that cables are immune to these same principles?
@@PassionforSound you sir are exactly correct!! Metallurgy has come a long way. Electrical impulses travel along the best path always. The better the path the less resistance it meets, and the less resistance needed to push the signal. Using a poor cable in this instance will cause the signal transformer to fail in certain points due to microscopic fractures in the metal strand. The signal impulses will be degraded as the length of the cable expounds the signal loss. The worse the cable make up, coupled with length of cable will cause serious impedance loss and therefore signal degradation. In summation, the better the cable the better the signal can travel. It's like you driving your car in a bumpy dirt road we're both going to the same point yet I'm on a smooth highway who's going to get there faster who's going to have the best travel going there it would be me
@@PassionforSound You have all missed the point here, no one here will purely back science (measurements won't tell you everything) "let your ear's tell you" yet ask for some A/B/X testing and you run for cover .....don't pull the science card, if your not in the science corner ....
After years of watching your reviews, highly dissapointed to see that you are botting and are likely to promote questionable products.
They do look nice but not worth the price
That's fair enough
Passion for likes
LOL. As addressed on other comments, it's not my doing, but I appreciate the humour!
it doesn't matter how good they look or what kind of cable materials and gimmicks they use in the end on the day if they are NOT comfortable to use they are worthless and pointless and these cable are exactly that Very Heavy, Very Stiff, has memory and microphonics and as a bonus it will literally tear off your ears after 30min. of use so definitely worth $600 and more right 😂 😂 😂
Almost all 2 and 4 Core use thick wires that makes then heavy also they have memory and microphonics and very uncomfortable to use if you want comfortable cable pick 8 or 16 Core most 8 and 16 Core cables are light thin very very soft no memory at all and no microphonics all this makes them very comfortable to use which is exactly what you want from a IEM cable btw 90% of all Expensive IEM cables are Very uncomfortable to use sure they may be great cables and very cool looking or with great sound but so what when you can't even use them
PW audio and Liquid cables Way better.. Peace!
PW is criminally over priced. Liquid Links are okay.
Actually my concern of cables is 1st number of wires.. 2-24 wires which i has 2 and max 24..all bal terminations yup pentaconn 4.4..This days most r using 4 wires.. Ha3.. Peace! btw mine pure copper with silver plated.. Peace2!
@masterazlan6999 number of wires is no substitute for wire gage which leads back to ergonomics. Everyone who had a Code 23 wanted a more ergonomic version and the 24C is that, but unfortunately limited to 500 units. The 24 is just a continuation of a headphone cable with iem terminations. For those with CIEM's it's not that bad with the weight of those cables but there's no chance they fit comfortably into the manufacturers circle cases requiring an aftermarket case or installation and removal/wrapping for travel.
Regardless, I'm not sure what your response has to do with PW models or Liquid Links particularly in response to the coaxial codes.
Have u noticed there's a radical differences between 2 wires and 24 wires cables Yup with bal terminations?.. For me 2nd point after numbers of wires is Materials.. Lucky u i gave 2 tips already.. Peace3!
@@masterazlan6999 I have 3 PW cables, 3EA, and a Venom. All 4.4 terminated. You're not making any points 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who makes a 2 wire? Do you understand the difference between strands wires and shares? The only "2 wire" cable is called solid speaker wire.