i do remember seeing a tiktok video explaining that kaeya's (and eula’s) hair is what's known as a 'lovelock' where there is a section of hair that is longer than the others and it is made to rest over the left shoulder to show devotion to a loved one
@@maplecatstars oh it’s fine :) i know mihoyo pays attention to small details but i’m not sure if this small detail has any significance to their stories lol also your video is amazing! keep up the good work ^-^
Kaeya's hair is based on a european love lock, it's a symbol of status of more well-off families from way back in the days of nobles. Eula has the same thing. It's a silent acknowledgement of his stemming from Khaneria'h's royalty.
Referring to "Archons are false Gods" part - In the first chapter (Prologue) of official manga, Venessa asks Venti about Celestia. Judging from his look, he's both sad and terrified by that question which he ignores, as we can see three shady characters with red background behind them. My theory is: Those three guys are some sort of priests, who are controlling Archons in some way, watching them down from Celestia. As Raiden Shogun said in her voiceover, Visions aren't necessary granted by Archons, which is another sign of something not being right.
Venti always tries to sidestep away from questions regarding Celestia, so I can definitely see where you're coming from. There's definitely something shady going on behind the scenes. And the dialogue where the Raiden Shogun says visions aren't granted by archons: 1. i legit didn't know about that until like two weeks ago lmao and 2. is a great point for the theory you proposed good job, A+
If you have watched paimon sun and moon theory there is a part where they talk about paimon being possibly related to one of the three (the light coloured one).
11:02 Of course there's the much darker note where Alice suggests removing the need for gathering energy for the hilichurls by simply killing the old ones, grinding them up, and feeding them to the younger ones. Alice is terrifying.
@@maplecatstars It's the first entry inside the in-game teyvat travel guide which you can find in the archive. "...If we took it one step further by grinding the hilichurls that are too old or too weak into food and feeding them to the strong ones, we might just build ourselves a perpetual motion machine that can support a huge factory like in Snezhnaya! It seems totally feasible to me. But when I told Miss Lisa about this idea, she just looked at me and pondered in silence for a long time, then changed the subject gracefully." Honestly, as I loaded up the game to re-check I was wondering if I just hallucinated this, but it's real.
30:53 All archons are gods, but not all gods are archons. "Archons" are specifically the gods of the seven elements, and there were no archons until Celestia opened the seven thrones. Morax, Guizhong, Andrius, Decarabian, Havria and others were all gods prior to the archon war. It's worth noting that you don't have to be a god to become an archon, but the process of becoming an archon will turn you into a god in the process. Barbatos was just a minor wind spirit, who only became the god of freedom when Andrius dropped out of the running for anemo archon and let him ascend to Celestia uncontested. And Venti is seemingly STILL the god of freedom even now, despite losing his gnosis.
The part about ruin guards has some misinformation. They were indeed called field tillers in the past but they were not used to defend or guard ruins. They were war machines in an attempt to conquer more land (hence 'field tillers') to expand the nation of khanria (excuse my spelling). When the nation was defeated the field tillers roamed the land and were attracted to ruins similar to those of their homeland, resulting in the name 'ruin guard'
Yes indeed their name wasn't "field tillers" because the land, it was because they reaped the bodies and blood of kaenria enemies, like field tillers and weat. Childe explains it on the "toy factory quest"
@@0ctopusComp1etely I want a story to include an abyss lector who just goes AWOL over a contract in Liyue and ends up becoming a priority target by the Abyss.
Now that the Enkanomiya region is unlocked, we now know that there a higher being than the unknown goddess, which is the Primordial One. Also great video btw!
Yep! It's just unfortunate that at the time of this video's release we weren't even given anything on the Primordial One, so stay tuned for a sequel to this video ;) And also, thanks a lot!
@@maplecatstars btw it is also said that the gods of celestia might be not from this world and thus further pointing out that the Uknown god (amoday) may be indeed kiana from honkai impact in her herrcher form
@@bggameplay6456 its in traveler profile. The first story. It seems to be changed now but it used to say the sustainer and now its ‘the keeper’ it pretty much means the same thing.
Paimon being the unknown god is so obvious that if ever Mihoyo goes into that route into the lore, a lot of fans and the genshin community would be in an uproar of how cliche it is.
It would be cliche, but it really depends on how the build up to it and reveal it, there are some instances where it was painfully obvious who the bad guy was, but the way the author executed it and revealed it felt satisfying. But imo, I still would not like Paimon to be the Unkown God, but if that's what Mihoyo is going for- then I hope they do it right
Or maybe pretending to be shocked. My own theory is that Paimon is part of the Twin’s power that got materialized when separated by Unknown God, hence they fall down to Teyvat almost powerless. Paimon will sacrifice herself by giving up her physical form to be the twin’s wings once they have reunited and settled their differences. Hence, “emergency food”.
Pai On is clearly a seelie real form. They are companions of humans and there’s even a story about a seelie falling in love with a traveler from afar. She floats and has a little scarf like seelies too
Eel it’s not, we just have barely gotten any of it in-game so far. Tbh the history of Teyvat is much more interesting than it’s present. Read the flavour text on any of the weapons and artifacts
8:44 well as someone who has played quite a bit of honkai, i can confirm that honkai and genshin have a connection, with dvalin having been observed for a few moments during a test to find a way into the imaginary tree
@@ezzyshian yae miko and yae sakura look very similar too, andrius is a boss in honkai’s abyss (i think? unsure, but i’m sure it’s a boss somewhere in the game) and durandal’s bubble universe is named sumeru LOL there’s no way the games aren’t connected hopefully we get a bronya lookalike soon because if we do i’m saving for her
idk if my logic makes any sense but here me out. if we take into account the theory that Paimon is one of the three moon sisters and that Asmoday has three heads, it would make sense that maybe the unknown goddess at the begining of the game is really Paimon, or more accurately, the three moon sisters taking on a new form. i dont think this is too far fetched for mihoyo but lmk if this could be debunked.
Interesting, the connection between Asmoday's three heads and the three moon sisters is something i haven't thought of before... however, while i can still see Paimon being Asmoday, i'm not sure i can say the same for one of the three moon sisters Imo that would depend more on if Asmoday is canonically older or younger than the moon sisters - if she is, there's simply no way she's one of the moon sisters, and if she's not, there's also the question on if the moon sisters can or cannot reincarnate I don't think there's enough evidence to say anything for sure, but i wouldn't call any theory too far fetched when it comes to this game anyway haha
@@maplecatstars hm, honestly i hadnt thought to take age into consideration. maybe there are just so many theories in my head that im almost looking for a way to connect them all. th-cam.com/video/QvrjrQ8QkF0/w-d-xo.html this video by Ashikai honestly sums up my thoughts better than i will ever be able to put into words, i highly recommend checking it out if you haven't already!
Maybe the unknown god has three different identities all with different personalities, one for each head of asmoday. I don't know much about asmoday but Im guessing that each head wouldn't think the same or act the same
Can I just ask HOW Bennett wasn't part of this? He was found in Mare Jivari as a baby and his bad luck is described as if the world itself was against him. He keeps nearly getting killed on a daily basis. Why? And will we have an explanation?
there's a theory about how bennett was supposed to die in the mare jivari but because he didn't, the universe's karma is trying to balance it by constantly trying to kill him
"Teyvat is upside down" Maybe thats why Anemo Traveller's absorption priority is different(reversed) from other characters lmao All Anemo characters except Traveller uses: pyro>hydro>electro>cryo order, while the traveller uses: cryo>electro>hydro>pyro ww
There is a minor 'lore' in Liyue (which is actually a huge issue in that place) which is about the water contamination. I am surprised how they didn't solve the crisis yet.
I love how genshin is hated by a lot of people who didnt even Play it but it Has one of the best written and interesting lore I've ever seen in fiction. The fact that Mihoyo hide a lot of things that Has to be discovered by fans is imo amazing
yup, the amount of lore is mindblowing. its tbh the only thing that keeps me and a lot of other players wanting to play the game. there is so much to unpack in quite literally EVERYTHING
It does have an amazing story, but at the end of the day it's still a predatory gambling game that is designed to frustrate you into spending. And it's an expensive game at that, for the price of a full Triple AAA game you only get 20 rolls, and you need 160 for a guaranteed character. If your luck is bad, you can spend over $4,000 maxing out just a single character. Other than the greed factor and the time gating, it is an amazing game though
Didn't Albedo got his vision from doing nothing? Since his story states that his vision randomly appeared when he was doing experiment and he didn't gave it much thought.
Exactly, which is why I don't really think his vision is of much, if any use to him. Being a creation of Rhinedottir and possessing mastery over the art of khemia renders his vision pointless, at least in battle
Since the real one didn’t do much what if the fake one’s ambition to replace the real one got so high Celestia gave the real one a vision? Or real Albedo has some ambition we don’t know or I forgot abt
@@Flakii Albedo did have an ambition, creating a life out of alchemy. Well it started as a mission from his master, but he shows much enthusiasm in it now
Khaenri'ah chapter is not the VII, it goes along our travels, that is why it is a blank, if flows with time, probably even looping to the past. Wouldn't surprise me if we see the travel from our twin perspective too at _the end_ Every quest that Dainsleif appeared, was part of Khaenri'ah chapter. 30:53 *Archons are false gods* Erm... how did you get stuck on that one? You answered yourself in 48:25 The Unknown Goddess is the Demiurge. But... I will refresh it for you and the others. Now... in resuming it I will butcher it, so my apologies to people that already knows, I mean no harm. The assessment originates from a core point of Gnosticism and the whole game is based on it, so... Gnosticism says in general that everyone has the potential to reach Godhood, the more your soul *see* each reincarnation the more divine you are, and that knowledge and spiritual enlightenment, is called Gnosis. Gnosticism doesn't care about sin and repentance, but with illusion (delusion) and enlightenment (vision) To understand the truth of the world and ourselves, that is what matters. However, to be able to *see* means realizing that the world we are living is _fake_ Created by a false god (Demiurge) to chain us, physically and spiritually. To just live here every day as mere humans, instead of transcend and be what we could be: gods. Now, the term Archon (ἄρχοντες) in Gnosticism is applied to the Seven Rulers of Darkness, and we must reject them to escape the false world. The Seven are our enemies and, sure as hell, not real gods. At least in the terms of what Gnosticism recognizes as such. They kind of represent feelings (not necessary what we would call bad ones) that would serve as anchor to the world and make us *not see* The problem is, that in the game, this is contradictory. The game calls them Archons, but they have Gnosis. Those are initially opposites, but because they reject the position of Archons and lose their Gnosis... I guess could work in some way? 42:35 *The Archons are not as old as they seem* You kind of missed the point here, as is referring as Archons as the role/position, not the people in the role. What is saying is that Archons is something recent in comparison with the Genesis of the World. Because there was no need for them before/Celestia wasn't here to create that role. And this is my own theory, but that the visions come from The Irminsul Tree, so Celestia is lying and canalizing the energy that should return to the ley lines and The Irminsul. That is why is petrified, there is nothing that "waters" it. And an important point that is not in your iceberg, in Gnosticism, they see Lucifer as an ally, because no matter his motives, he rebels against the false god and shares that hidden knowledge. Lucifer was called _the Morning Star_ and _the Shining Light_ and so you know, the Travelers in every language are named after the concept of light, and started as stars travelling the sky. They are rebellious, even recognized as criminals in both Liyue, and Inazuma, countries ruled by Archons. Paimon is the first servant of Lucifer, so are the demons in Ars Goethia... I don't think I need to add anything else here.
@@RAAAUGHGUAGHAHA Thanks! I thought I wrote too much. But then again, I guess this long video would suit people that isn't bothered by a long wall of text? XD *** I wrote this to answer someone else, but I think still follows my early comment, so I will paste it here too. King Paimon mythologically: [...]knowledge of past and future events, clearing up doubts, making spirits appear, creating visions, acquiring and dismissing servant spirits, reanimating the dead for several years, flight, remaining underwater indefinitely, and general abilities to "make all kinds of things" (and) "all sorts of people and armor appear" at the behest of the magician.[...] In the game: -She is our guide, and teaches us Teyvat's language and writing. -She asks questions, even dumb ones, just to clear out any potential doubt. -She can summon servant spirits because the characters in the gacha are not the real ones, in case you didn't realize it. And she dismisses them to who knows where when we change the party. -The domains where we kill already dead people over and over, can be thanks to her. -She can flight. -We fished her and who knows how much time she was underwater. -The shop where we get all kind of crap (weapons and people) is called Paimon's Bargains. -Our amazing storage capacity exist just because of her. And more stuff that you can pick up on. I don't think they chose the names of the Ars Goetia just by coincidence and sounding cool, and I am interested in where this could go. Edit: Grammar, English is not my first language. If you see horrendous failures somewhere, please forgive me.
@@Ilwenray85 It fits too well omg And if I may add, if I remember correctly, Paimon is also the god of Northwest (or symbolizes something like this), and guess where is the Paimon menu in the game ? In the top left corner !! Mihoyo is really amazing to include all those references, the amount of work must have been huge
actually, lucifer is not in the Bible, it's an error. The name there means " being made of light" not a morning star, but you theory kinda makes sense. Also, Ars Goethia doesn't make much sense too at all haha.
@@johnmcgee2087 enjou says to be there for a specific reason and it isnt a place he's always at, if it were to be the abyss he wouldn't be looking to leave the place the moment his mission was done
35:31 As someone with both disorders I can safely say, I relate heavily to sucrose(on the aspect of having a special interest, being dangerously introverted, hyperfocusing so much on something that you put your health on the line, etc.) but since it's not actually cannon most people just headcannon it for fun ig? Anyways if she did happen to be a cannon nuerodivergant character, in my opinion she'd be a great rep(except for some aspects ofc, like the stereotype that we're either incredibly dumb or that antisocial smart guy that belittles everyone-)
My theory is : Paimon is our vision, because visions are given to people so the celestia can keep watch of those people, so paimon is here to keep watch on us aswell. Editttt : On the recent event with kichiboushi the tanuki, kichiboushi miss pronounced paimon's name to "*BYEmon" "SPYmon" And "paiMORE" It sounds like a hint from mihoyo that paimon is a spy, like the vision theory I mentioned, and she's more than what meets the eye, and possibly will leave us someday Edit 2 : Found a theory that said paimon mightve been the one to grant us the power to weild the elements from the statues, not to mention the statues have a similar design to paimon. And also, it's a bit odd that paimon is our guide and knows a lot about Tyvat but people in Tyvat doesn't seem to know what or who she is.
@@kerembaturpehlivan3702 probably a similar power to what dainslief has, dain doesn't have a vision yet he has powers, its weird because khanriah has no god and no source of power, my guess is something to do with the art of khemia the alchemy thing
20:16 Lisha - From what I recall (therefore take with a grain of salt) of world quests in the area, Lisha used to be a city/civilization somewhat aligned with Liyue but not under Morax's protection directly? The civilization collapsed 500 years ago after being overrun by the Cataclysm and the monsters from it. The theory is that the relatively recent troubles with the Chasm, where the Traveler meets NPC miners talking about being unemployed, is related to whatever destroyed Lisha, now reawakened.
I don't think Paimon and the unknown god (TUG) are the same person, but rather... are sisters. Specifically the two moon sisters who were cast out of the sky.
Excellent video. Interesting to add, Venti mentioned an artist from Earth (our Earth) in the mondstadt chapter's epilogue, further bolstering the theory other ppl besides Trav (and Aloy) to came to Mond in certain point, but also suggesting ppl from Teyvat (or at least, being of the calliber of Barbatos) being able to leave Teyvat, visit other worlds and rerturn at some point
Fun fact; what we have seen from celestia, it looks like a high security prison that exists somewhere on earth, so that thing about celestia being hell could not be so wrong (we saw pictures when vanessa went to celestia that's what I took it from)
thanks for the compliments! gives me the dopamine my brain needs also i swear windows was activated (in a very legal and completely legitimate manner, trust me) when i started editing, up to 27:11 there's no watermark, but then there suddenly is :(
I love how at 47:00 he went to plunge on the heat lantern thing and his scarlet quartz went away, stood there for a second, went upwards towards the mountain to get another, then said "screw this im starting it"
For the link with honkai (i played almost everything): In chapter 17 of the main story, in one of the cutscenes, Dvalin appears when Otto (antagonist in honkai) is monitoring the imaginary tree (or sth like that i don't remember what he was exactly doing but it's linked to this tree were are all worlds) Some Honkai characters also have Genshin counterparts: Raiden Shogun and Mei, Yae Miko and Sakura, Unknown god and Herrscher of the Void, Venti and Wendy,...
i don't think the characters are actually their counterparts tbh i feel like mihoyo was just being lazy and used the honkai characters as a base to make other similar characters for genshin
as a short update: in enkanomiya, people there found that there was a time in teyvat where celestia didnt exist yet, that includes gods. the original "gods" are the seven primal "dragon kings" (dragons as in vishaps, including azhdaha), hence explaining the "the gods are not as old as they seem" theory.
Very nice video , but both siblings are canon . Lumine and Aether are both canon . It’s already confirmed by Mihoyo . So it’s better to use traveller/sibling bc you might confuse someone. If you want to know more , you can watch latest video of Catwithbluehat. They make amazing theory videos
Paimon cpuld actually be that demon named Paimon. Both serve and follow a higher person. Both can control time since whenever you pause the game to go to Paimons bargain shop or something everything freezes except Paimon.
If Paimon is connected to the unknown god, it'd be interesting if they made the fight to break Paimon free from her control scaled in difficulty depending on how rude you are to her throughout the story. Making those who think that the emergency food joke is funny every time have a harder time than others.
The video was amazing, the way you explain each topic made really easy to understand and made me more interesting than ever before with all the lore of Genshin I also like the memes throw now and there that made the video more fun to watch, also, I don't know if it is the way you speak or how you deliver the topics or your voice, I don't really know but I never got tired and wanted to change the to another video, I don't know what else to say,it was epic,keep the good work
One of my favourite theories is similar to the limiting technology one: The direct translation for visions from the CN version is "eyes of the gods". Visions are only given to those with aa certain amount of ambition. Because Celestia is worried they will be overthrown by humans, they use visions to keep an eye on people who could potentially threaten them, which is why visions began to be handed out after the Archon War.
all of this work behind the game really makes me love Genshin and see their price for gacha more than worthy. I don't regret a bit getting some primos every now and then.
Archon is just a title for the gods that hold a gnosis. Also it's one of those redundant terms the localization team put in to sound fancy and now there is the issue of calling a god an Archon who discarded her gnosis therefore not affiliated with Celestia anymore. In other languages the members of the Seven are just called gods with no distinction between them and the others. Some of the lingering theories are based on outdated information and were disproven long ago by world building. It was stated that only two of the original Seven remain but that doesn't mean the newer ones are actually all new or young gods. The original god of electro died 500 years ago and her sister who ruled and fought in the Archon War together with her took up the title. The good of Dendro however is actually about 500 years old having inherited her position.
Ik I’m late, but your theory on the archons was confirmed with Enkinomiya. And I lost my mind because I was right on the theory the entire time. With that new update they confirmed a lot of our theories about the game and hinted at so many things. It’s not even stubble, it’s so obvious that it could happen because if you look for the books, then you can get so much lore that just confirms everything.
3:10 “the vision is decorated according to the region the character originates from” this was already proved false with Thoma, who is originally from Mondstadt but moved and is currently residing in Inazuma, meaning it’s current residency not origin- which is weird but oh well
I remember that Childe received his vision while he was in the abyss, so 1. there are different parts of the abyss and that section was in snezhnaya, 2. his vision design is actually from the abyss, or 3. hoyoverse just did something and went with it
When I saw you bringing up Miltenberg as an example for a german city I was pretty surprised and happy cause I was born and lived there for 20 years now.
@@maplecatstars Although I can't say for sure how it looked in it's early years, the old town of the city (where the picture you took was taken, this place specifically is called "Schnatterloch" which literally translates to "chatter hole") definitely gives you some Mondstadt vibes.
About the "Archons are false gods" Me and my brother noticed that all of the seven ideals the archons pursue are either fake under the argument of they being human beliefs, and that there are atomic / molecular compositions for all seven elements that may deceive people at first The only god that may apply to the title of "True god" is the god of time, as all elements need time to function properly I'm the Genshin savvy, my brother knows a lot more about science and stuff so I might get this wrong but: Anemo can be reffered to just oxygen, but it's the flow of cause-effect allowing movement with time. In the context of a tale with start and end, "Freedom" is an ilussion a character may get about being able to change the content of the tale, when in reality everything he makes builds up to his own story. Geo can be tied to the unification of elements. We weren't able to find a way to demerit "Contracts", let me know if someone gets something Electro in Genshin is very likely to not be the representation of "Eternity", nor electricity, but the constant change and cyclical nature of the world. If time would ever stop, the concept of "Eternity" would no longer make sense. Dendro is the element of "Knowledge", which formed through evolution as a way for living beings to be able to remember the instincts that helped them survive, this is known to be just a very complex composition of molecules that act in one's brain or body. Hydro may sound as just hydrogen but I believe it can apply to anything under the liquid status. "Justice" is the human perception of balance. Same luck as Geo honestly Pyro is a concentration of energy due to a chemical reaction that causes elements to move at a higher pace. Higher pace is where "War" may come in place, but this would need constant movement which would be impossible without time. Cryo does not directly refference Ice. Ice is any liquid with a generalized lack of movement around it to a point where it would seem that time did stopped. Cryo is the generalized lack of movement from where a character may have a goal to stop time and pursue something. There's a theory that mentions that the Cryo Archon is the god of Love, but me and my brother think the Tsaritsa is also the Archon of Hate, because in order to hate something, you must need to love something else in comparison, "Hate" generates Cryo energy as well. (So you "Love" to "Hate" something). Additionally, archons may be puppets from Celestia to keep an eye on Vision holders to avoid some human tries to take over it, we may even know a bit more about it with the new Raiden Shogun boss Baizhu seems to be researching on Qiqi for her preservation methods as a way of preserving knowledge, given how Genshin works, I assume the Tsaritsa was the only one to remember that all archons were forcefully commanded to destroy Khaenri'ah , explaining all of the "Rebellion against the divine" stuff Additionally additionally, this is HUGE speculation but my brother once dreamed to be in Teyvat and was able to traverse most of it. He predicted the way how stuff tends to dissapear when coming close to the end of the map before the archipelago update and found out that the Hydro archon is A HUGE LIAAAR, he even said that she may come from another existential realm and has a close relationship with either Asmoday or the God of Time which sounds reasonable but waay to far-fetched and with no evidence at all. He apparently experienced so much about the other nations (Especially how fire-arms are a recent invention and were created and distributed on Natlan by Fountaine, or the fact that Khaenri'ah also exists in a different existential realm outside of Teyvat) but that's as much as he remembers
36:59 Current Electro archon is Beelzebub, not Baal, which is her twin sister and dead But overall insane video, I'm waiting for an update with new lore from Enkanomiya
I feel the idea that Paimon is the sustainer of heavenly principles is probably the least likely of all the theories presented here, tbh. It goes against basically every aspect of the character design for either. The names mean more than people realize, it seems.
Well, I do have ADHD, and that is clearly true with Sucrose and Albedo. She can be a bit forgetful at times (one symptom of ADHD), and also she can get a bit hyper sometimes (expressed by happiness) One fact as well, Sucrose has rejection-sensitive dysphoria. She is often scared to blamed about her experiments failing, saying that Eula tried out one of Sucrose's experiments, but it failed. Eula is about to head back to complain, but Sucrose has labeled that project as a failure. As for Albedo, he is often alone most of the time, provoking loneliness and no friendships. He can wander to the mountains sometimes, which is also in relation to ADHD. His emotions can reflect somewhat of depression, since he can be emotionless, speaking very plainly. (If you wonder why I mention about depression with ADHD, these disorders both have a relationships in terms of emotions and actions.) Feel free to add or criticize anything here! If you have ADHD/ADD and don't understand much about it, just know that it is a complicated thing to learn, and that you should be yourself.
this is just my speculation, as im not caught up to everything in genshin impact. for the "archons are false gods" part, i wonder if it was just a misunderstanding of the line? archons are separate from gods by title; even if an archon steps down, they are still gods. god would be the "species" and "archon" is moreso a title. if you look up the definition of a "god," there are two definitions you can work off of. "(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being." or "(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity." if we are operating off the former, then this could imply that the archons are being puppeteered by the true ruler of the universe, and are therefore not all-powerful, making them distinct from gods. if we operate off the latter, it could just be as i initially assume: gods are, moreso, just distinct from adepti and humans, and archon could be an official title gods are crowned with, similarly to how a "monarch" of a country is appointed. _i_ could just be misunderstanding the information given, though. i like felix raycher's theory on it in the comments more than my technical explanation.
Archons and gods are most definitely separate given the many mentions of existing (and dead) gods that are not archons. Even the archon war alone is proof that "god" and "archon" are not synonymous. Gods had to fight before archons even existed for them to take the role of archon. I mean, even Guoba is a god, or at the very least a fallen god. But he isn't and never was an archon.
I believe that theory that says visions are used to control mankinds most powerful individuals. You said that they don't take away anyone's free will but maybe the "control" it exerts is more subtle, why else would losing a vision lead to a person's loss of motivation? Why would they be forced upon a person even when they don't want them, like Keqing, aren't they supposed to be a gift?
50:19 I think this one was simpler. I think it's referring to the fact that khaenri'ah (the godless nation) was the most technologically advanced, while the nations with gods are far behind. This would imply that having a god ruling the nation limits their technological progress, maybe because people under a god would rely on them instead of making discoveries through science and stuff
Didn't they say that Khaenria needed to defend itself, which is why it had to improve their technology in order to survive as a nation, the other nations have Archons to defend them
The last part of the video was something I FUCKING NEEDED. I always thought about those words Dainsleif said and you expressed all my thoughts perfectly. Thank you so much for doing this video, I'll surely like it and I'll watch some more of your content. You're underrated!
I have a feeling that Genshin world is like No Game No Life where you beat the leader of a country and collect their chess pieces before challenging the Divine in an ultimate game to decide the next Divine Khaenri'ah tried to cheat by joining the game without having an archon (player) who receive their license by winning the archon war so the GM aka the divine ban them from competing so our sister after having an intense gaming moment decided to grind for 500 years and prepare to collect the chess pieces and challenge the divine for revenge probably make a new rule and play a different game or something cuz she doesn't like the way things are atm While the other archon, at least the one we have seen so far don't really care about Gnosis or the new game plus as they already have their fun in the archon war and decided to just rule without it or let mankind rule themselves why they observe from the sideline. BTW what even is Gnosis, I assume it was some kind of tool that allow the gods to gain power through the faith of their people and allow the user to use some special ability like Morax creating mora, but other than Venti who started as a weak spirit, Zhongli and Ei are already OP without it and probably the other Archon too unless the special ability of Gnosis is crucial to whatever they are doing right now?
As an old ass honkai player, I can afirm that the games seen to be deeply connect in both universe and lore. Also the characters names/designs lol the genshin x honkai event also hinted this a lot
The fact that the orginal electro archon and the current electro archon are twins debunks the theory that the new archons are reincarnations of the old ones.
Regarding 42:36 and the theory of the archons being young, I suppose it refers to how the travellers are probably much more older than even the oldest archons, being otherworldly beings who have been travelling for who knows how long from world to world, meaning Teyvat isn't their first world they've visited, and probably not the last.
welp the way the big asf lore bomb that is enkanomiya dropped after this video is just unfortunate tbh. some things really are outdated but now I'm wondering why there hasnt been a popular iceberg of the game's lore that is more recent. having been a lore nerd since the beginning I feel like I know an incredible amount more than what the iceberg shows. lurking on the genshin lore sub really helps but the moment you walk in there you're gonna find random information you have zero clue about unless u have been there since it was created so be warned lol. luckily a lot of lore in this video explained a lot of some of the random stuff I got bombarded with when I first went there like asmoday and the moon sisters and seelie but theres probably a giant backstory (theory) that might connect ALL three and then some, which just kind of shows how dedicated people are to this game's story tbh
Alright so here's one little note about Varka; In Godwin's commision , he says that Varka has been sending letters about his travels. The last he heard was from Liyue if I remember correctly. I guess we probably should've seen him in that case. Since Inazuma is closed, he may have had to go to the next closest nation [Sumeru]. The death theory makes a lot of sense though..Guess we'll just have to wait and see
Correction: Sumeru is India. All the NPCs from there EXCEPT Cyno (greek) and Collei (celtic) have Hindi-style names. Mount Sumeru is a place, IN INDIA, in buddhist myth. The archon's name, Lesser Lord Kusanali, is Hindi. All cultural references to Sumeru have been Indian. The idea that Sumeru is middle eastern comes entirely from Cyno being jackal-headed and arabesque music playing during his appearance in the travails trailer. Are we to conclude that Mondstadt is actually Argentinian because of Eula's trailer? In fact, as an Aristocrat, Eula's demo might have been a reference to the nazi refugees in Argentina, but India shares a border with Pakistan and historical kingdoms had blended indo-greek cultural heritage, which could as easily explain Cyno. He's one character. And Vision bearers might not retain as much free will as you think! We see from the Inazuma questline that the Vision contains the ambitions a person held before gaining a Vision, and that these ambitions can be taken away by separating them from their Vision. While it doesn't show anything explicitly beyond that, the fact that that can happen at all heavily implies that there is a purpose, probably one of control, behind Visions containing and _replacing_ ambitions. In some ways (besides sheer power), trading one's life force to use a Delusion might even be preferable. Also "Eyes of God" is just the literal translation from Chinese, Delusions are called "Daemon's Eyes" but they were translated as Vision and Delusion because "Delusion" fits the Fatui motif (Fatui means fools) even though it somewhat misses what "fool" or "fatuus" means in an occult context (one who has unlimited potential, and is not shackled by the chains of social or divine laws; A court jester may be uneducated, but that means he has an entire mind to fill, and due to his station he knows much and can say whatever he likes without consequence; That is what the Fatui are most likely meant to represent, not just "stupid henchmen to the bad guy" like "delusion" suggests). I forget where but either in the manga or somewhere in the game (maybe Venti's dialogue) it's also stated that those who receive Visions are technically eligible to become Archons, though most never have such an opportunity; We can safely assume that all those who replaced Archons who have died were first Vision-bearers (also reminder that Ei was able to cleave an island in two and kill a god with the sword she keeps in her bra BEFORE she became an Archon, when she was filling in for her sister; just a wild implication of the Inazuma timeline I wanna throw out there). In the new Enkanomiya content, it is explicitly stated that Celestia brought the gods and monsters from other worlds and started the Archon War. If I recall the text correctly, unlike the Khaenri'ahns who were always at odds with Celestia, the Enkanomiyans actually went along with this and rolled with the punches, until Celestia decided they should be thrust under the sea with no explanation and no chance for redemption. It was only after Orobashi, a younger god, was defeated during the Archon War (but not slain), iirc by Morax, and sought refuge under the sea, finding Enkanomiya, that they were freed from what would have been an eternity of terror; Orobashi drove away most of the dragons that preyed upon the inhabitants and allowed them to grow as a civilization, until one day it accidentally read a forbidden text that predated the coming of Celestia to Teyvat, and learned the truth of its own origin and the Archon War and was forced by Celestia to go on a suicide mission against Baal (though it was instead met by Beelzebul, who was nonetheless powerful enough to execute it).
Also to add something re: Vision-bearers becoming Archons, Ningguang has several signs of being an Archon's avatar (she is the only non-archon who can use elemental abilities with no physical focus- Klee uses bombs, Amber has her baron bunny (and in the webtoon, handfuls of rocks), most characters use weapons to channel their Vision's element, but Ning only uses a catalyst for the Jade Screen and her plunging attack, while Venti can call on the wind without using an object and Zhongli can actually create spears out of pure geo energy instead of infusing his existing spear with geo- and she has gradient hair, which isn't, like, something that shouldn't be possible without being an archon, it's just that apart from Venti, Zhongli and Raiden, she is the ONLY character so far who has it, which is pretty sus) and even has a name from the Ars Goetia (Phoenix- Check her namecard, and also look up the Chinese version of it; Instead of Fenghuang, it's something like (iirc) Fenghues, meaning she is not actually called "phoenix" as in the mythical bird (let alone the "Chinese Phoenix" as one would expect), she's called a phonetic transliteration of the Goetic Daemon Phoenix or Phenex). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenex On the counterpoint one archon-sign she's missing is glowing pupils, the other thing besides gradient hair that all three archons we've seen have in common. Even characters with lighter pupils than irises like Hu Tao and Kaeya have pupils that look "dull" (unfortunate in Hu Tao's case because it makes her in-game model look a lot less cute and lively than her art imo!) probably to make the archons' sparks of elemental colour look brighter by comparison, but Ningguang straight up has ordinary dark pupils. Then again, while she has some very archon-like traits (as though she is destined to replace Morax as the geo archon, perhaps), perhaps the pupils are something that only happens AFTER actually becoming an archon. She's not the only living mortal we know of with a Goetic name, by the way, and Goetic names don't automatically mean someone is either an archon or destined to die trying to become one (like Havria and Guizhong kinda did). Andrius is the Goetic Andreas, Jean's title "Dandelion Knight" is Dantalion, the original Dandelion/Lionfang Knight, Venessa, is probably the Goetic Vine (and became a godlike being and entered Celestia, but was not an archon; note that there is some severe quirkiness here because the Dandelion Knight is defined as one of the four winds and Venessa is defined as another of the four winds, meaning that while she was alive Venessa was two of the four winds; three of the four winds have Goetic names but Dvalin comes from the poetic Eddas, along with his brother Durin), etc. There's still a lot of oddness about Ningguang that suggests she's a little closer to the divine than other mortals, either way.
What if visions are a symbiotic life force between gods and people? We see in chapter 2 that 'ambitions' never leave the vision, in this same chapter we also see that delusions drain a person to death, and that a person that loses their vision become a shell of their former self. What if 'ambition' is synonymous with a person's life force, or soul, and visions are a soul vessel, which is why the loss of a vision is so drastic. Gods provide visions to those with the strongest willpower, and in turn provide a sustainable life force them, in turn for their own life force once they pass, their 'ambition' or soul; this would also explain why delusions, false visions, drain a person to death, because they don't have a godly life force sustaining their holder. This soul reaping would be what sustains a god's longevity, and how the current archons do not die as other gods had in the past, and only the strongest willed are chosen due to their willpower, where a typical mortal wouldn't be as sustainable in the symbiotic relationship. This would also explain how visions grant elemental powers in the symbiotic relationship, and how the strongest willed seem like demigods, and how they're supposedly a candidate to be a god. Delving further, those of the Abyss have access to the same powers, but without visions or delusions, meaning that the gods aren't the only beings with access to this higher force of magic. This would make delusions a step between Celestial and Abyssal use of magic, where Celestial is metered via the gods and Abyssal is unmetered and free to use among the people. Abyssal magic would also be why the demiurge destroyed Khaenri'ah, as it goes against Celestia's metering of magic. Which may also show that outsiders to Teyvat, the Travelers, Aloy, people of the Abyss, etc., can attune themselves to an element without a vision, which the demiurge and the supreme being probably aren't happy about. Connect the dots, Celestia's metering of magic via visions and the symbiotic life force relationships, would show that the demiurge and their supreme being are so powerful because of how the power is symbiotically connected. If the people of Teyvat were allowed the use of magic in the same way that the Abyss and outsiders use it, these beings would fall from power. This also connects to the chess theory, except the pawns would be the vision holders, the non-pawns would be the archons, the playing hand would be the demiurge, with the supreme being in control of it all; this would also explain how a vision holder could also become a god, if the pawn reaches the opposite side of the chess board. Though, one issue is that we know nothing about the opposite side of the board, is the Abyss itself that other side, is it a game of control and freedom, etc. I also buy into the Paimon is the missing archon theory, the god of time, considering how the pause menu works, the advance time feature, how Paimon blips in and out, teleportation, etc. I think Paimon is also in on the whole plan to dethrone Celestia, but Paimon's job is to protect the traveller. It'd be how Paimon suspiciously knows so much yet reveals very little. Even how the Traveler meets Paimon is suspicious, how does a floating creature end up drowning until they're fished out but a supposedly random person. This would also explain why there's no time visions, Paimon just doesn't hand them out, _but_ time is a power seen in use by higher order Abyssal enemies, the whole dimensional gate thing; so possibly not just time, but time and space. I have a feeling that chapter 7/? will delve into this. Chapter 6 will probably end with the Tsaritsa giving Paimon the various Gnoses before we head into the Abyss chapter. This Abyss chapter will then be both sides of the chess board going against the demiurge and the supreme being. With the revelation that the Teyvat-side of the world is actually a gnostic hell with the supreme being being the Abrahamic Satan/Iblis, going back into the false gods theory, and the explanation of how the names are tied to demonology. Game ends with the defeat of the supreme being, with a potential epilogue being the world beyond Teyvat, Dead Sea areas with more gods would be the most logical way forward, exploring what remains of the living gods outside of Teyvat and Celestia.
ik i'm late, but you putting philippines as inspiration for natlan hopefully would come true. to think that women in philippines actually has equal status to men and 17-18th centuries before women are also part being an army in war. as a filo, im proud there's a philippine content here lol
i do remember seeing a tiktok video explaining that kaeya's (and eula’s) hair is what's known as a 'lovelock' where there is a section of hair that is longer than the others and it is made to rest over the left shoulder to show devotion to a loved one
oh really? that's my bad then
@@maplecatstars oh it’s fine :) i know mihoyo pays attention to small details but i’m not sure if this small detail has any significance to their stories lol
also your video is amazing! keep up the good work ^-^
ay, thanks a lot! i'll try to haha
Don't care, its disgusting, we hated it. *CUT. IT. OFF*
@@theploot8230
Speak for yourself
Kaeya's hair is based on a european love lock, it's a symbol of status of more well-off families from way back in the days of nobles. Eula has the same thing. It's a silent acknowledgement of his stemming from Khaneria'h's royalty.
Do Diluc and Jean have it?
@@rosalynelippington nope
Referring to "Archons are false Gods" part - In the first chapter (Prologue) of official manga, Venessa asks Venti about Celestia. Judging from his look, he's both sad and terrified by that question which he ignores, as we can see three shady characters with red background behind them.
My theory is: Those three guys are some sort of priests, who are controlling Archons in some way, watching them down from Celestia. As Raiden Shogun said in her voiceover, Visions aren't necessary granted by Archons, which is another sign of something not being right.
Venti always tries to sidestep away from questions regarding Celestia, so I can definitely see where you're coming from. There's definitely something shady going on behind the scenes.
And the dialogue where the Raiden Shogun says visions aren't granted by archons: 1. i legit didn't know about that until like two weeks ago lmao and 2. is a great point for the theory you proposed
good job, A+
If you have watched paimon sun and moon theory there is a part where they talk about paimon being possibly related to one of the three (the light coloured one).
how dare she make venti sad
where have you seen the Three figures??? Ive read the entire manga and there werent any people like this? Which page in prologue???
And the one from the right looks like a big Paimon if you see well
11:02 Of course there's the much darker note where Alice suggests removing the need for gathering energy for the hilichurls by simply killing the old ones, grinding them up, and feeding them to the younger ones.
Alice is terrifying.
uhh i think i missed that one, where is it?
@@maplecatstars It's the first entry inside the in-game teyvat travel guide which you can find in the archive.
"...If we took it one step further by grinding the hilichurls that are too old or too weak into food and feeding them to the strong ones, we might just build ourselves a perpetual motion machine that can support a huge factory like in Snezhnaya!
It seems totally feasible to me.
But when I told Miss Lisa about this idea, she just looked at me and pondered in silence for a long time, then changed the subject gracefully."
Honestly, as I loaded up the game to re-check I was wondering if I just hallucinated this, but it's real.
@@hunibear2193 oh my god it actually is 😭😭 alice is a special one
Where is the Inazuma version of Teyvat travel guide though. I'm in search of that
That's exactly what I would expect from klee's mom. 10/10 best mom.
"If you spend one month in the abyss (N O T RECOMMEND-)"
That part made me laugh so hard
30:53 All archons are gods, but not all gods are archons. "Archons" are specifically the gods of the seven elements, and there were no archons until Celestia opened the seven thrones. Morax, Guizhong, Andrius, Decarabian, Havria and others were all gods prior to the archon war. It's worth noting that you don't have to be a god to become an archon, but the process of becoming an archon will turn you into a god in the process. Barbatos was just a minor wind spirit, who only became the god of freedom when Andrius dropped out of the running for anemo archon and let him ascend to Celestia uncontested. And Venti is seemingly STILL the god of freedom even now, despite losing his gnosis.
Archon is just a tranlation mistake made everything harder to understand. There is no such term in original
The part about ruin guards has some misinformation. They were indeed called field tillers in the past but they were not used to defend or guard ruins. They were war machines in an attempt to conquer more land (hence 'field tillers') to expand the nation of khanria (excuse my spelling). When the nation was defeated the field tillers roamed the land and were attracted to ruins similar to those of their homeland, resulting in the name 'ruin guard'
sweet, thanks for letting me know!
This is partially wrong, they were called field tillers because of a khaenriah'n saying
Yes indeed their name wasn't "field tillers" because the land, it was because they reaped the bodies and blood of kaenria enemies, like field tillers and weat.
Childe explains it on the "toy factory quest"
i thought they were used for agriculture lol
Dainsleif also explains what field tillers are in the Archon quest. Or at least I know someone in the Archon quest does.
would be interesting to suddenly have the objective:
"Defend the abyss lector"
Would do it if the lector was "enjou"
@@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992 I love that traitorous dork. Would pull a banner for him if I could.
proud to be the 69th like
@@0ctopusComp1etely I want a story to include an abyss lector who just goes AWOL over a contract in Liyue and ends up becoming a priority target by the Abyss.
Now that the Enkanomiya region is unlocked, we now know that there a higher being than the unknown goddess, which is the Primordial One.
Also great video btw!
Yep! It's just unfortunate that at the time of this video's release we weren't even given anything on the Primordial One, so stay tuned for a sequel to this video ;)
And also, thanks a lot!
@@maplecatstars btw it is also said that the gods of celestia might be not from this world and thus further pointing out that the Uknown god (amoday) may be indeed kiana from honkai impact in her herrcher form
Unknown god is already dead or she is paimon. It is said it menu. The sustainer is dead and the creator is yet to come.
@@rachitpiwlatkar772 I don't see that anywhere in the menu nor anywhere other else
@@bggameplay6456 its in traveler profile. The first story. It seems to be changed now but it used to say the sustainer and now its ‘the keeper’ it pretty much means the same thing.
Paimon being the unknown god is so obvious that if ever Mihoyo goes into that route into the lore, a lot of fans and the genshin community would be in an uproar of how cliche it is.
It would be cliche, but it really depends on how the build up to it and reveal it, there are some instances where it was painfully obvious who the bad guy was, but the way the author executed it and revealed it felt satisfying.
But imo, I still would not like Paimon to be the Unkown God, but if that's what Mihoyo is going for- then I hope they do it right
Or maybe pretending to be shocked. My own theory is that Paimon is part of the Twin’s power that got materialized when separated by Unknown God, hence they fall down to Teyvat almost powerless. Paimon will sacrifice herself by giving up her physical form to be the twin’s wings once they have reunited and settled their differences. Hence, “emergency food”.
Mihoyo already confirmed that Paimon is not the unkown god.
I thought paimon was a seelie in human form guiding us through teyvat
Pai
On is clearly a seelie real form. They are companions of humans and there’s even a story about a seelie falling in love with a traveler from afar. She floats and has a little scarf like seelies too
This has made me interested in Genshin's lore
it's actually really developed when you look into it, even more so for what's currently available of the game
Markiplier would approve. Genshin does have interesting lore and character stories though
TheAmbitiousDuck markiplier?
Tbh the genshin lore is pretty shitty lmao
Eel it’s not, we just have barely gotten any of it in-game so far. Tbh the history of Teyvat is much more interesting than it’s present. Read the flavour text on any of the weapons and artifacts
8:44 well as someone who has played quite a bit of honkai, i can confirm that honkai and genshin have a connection, with dvalin having been observed for a few moments during a test to find a way into the imaginary tree
I haven't played a lick of Honkai and I knew that XD
also, although not related to the plot the main character and the unknown god have the same appearance
@@svtminghao you can say that too to Raiden Ei similar to Mei and Venti to Wendy.
hol up
@@ezzyshian yae miko and yae sakura look very similar too, andrius is a boss in honkai’s abyss (i think? unsure, but i’m sure it’s a boss somewhere in the game) and durandal’s bubble universe is named sumeru LOL
there’s no way the games aren’t connected
hopefully we get a bronya lookalike soon because if we do i’m saving for her
idk if my logic makes any sense but here me out. if we take into account the theory that Paimon is one of the three moon sisters and that Asmoday has three heads, it would make sense that maybe the unknown goddess at the begining of the game is really Paimon, or more accurately, the three moon sisters taking on a new form. i dont think this is too far fetched for mihoyo but lmk if this could be debunked.
Interesting, the connection between Asmoday's three heads and the three moon sisters is something i haven't thought of before... however, while i can still see Paimon being Asmoday, i'm not sure i can say the same for one of the three moon sisters
Imo that would depend more on if Asmoday is canonically older or younger than the moon sisters - if she is, there's simply no way she's one of the moon sisters, and if she's not, there's also the question on if the moon sisters can or cannot reincarnate
I don't think there's enough evidence to say anything for sure, but i wouldn't call any theory too far fetched when it comes to this game anyway haha
@@maplecatstars hm, honestly i hadnt thought to take age into consideration. maybe there are just so many theories in my head that im almost looking for a way to connect them all. th-cam.com/video/QvrjrQ8QkF0/w-d-xo.html this video by Ashikai honestly sums up my thoughts better than i will ever be able to put into words, i highly recommend checking it out if you haven't already!
Maybe the unknown god has three different identities all with different personalities, one for each head of asmoday. I don't know much about asmoday but Im guessing that each head wouldn't think the same or act the same
Can I just ask HOW Bennett wasn't part of this? He was found in Mare Jivari as a baby and his bad luck is described as if the world itself was against him. He keeps nearly getting killed on a daily basis. Why? And will we have an explanation?
@@Non_existant_user Or an enemy stand?
@@OkamiAmaterasu. Damn it, I wanted to say it...
Because background character
there's a theory about how bennett was supposed to die in the mare jivari but because he didn't, the universe's karma is trying to balance it by constantly trying to kill him
Listening to Genshin lore icebergs while doing my arts project (which is Genshin-themed) is such a vibe
ahaha thanks for d idea, imma do this too
"Teyvat is upside down"
Maybe thats why Anemo Traveller's absorption priority is different(reversed) from other characters lmao
All Anemo characters except Traveller uses: pyro>hydro>electro>cryo order, while the traveller uses: cryo>electro>hydro>pyro ww
Wait there's an order for elemental absorbtion-
I had no idea anemo traveller worked like this wth
Also teyvat being upside down could be linked with the upside down city in chasm
There is a minor 'lore' in Liyue (which is actually a huge issue in that place) which is about the water contamination. I am surprised how they didn't solve the crisis yet.
I love how genshin is hated by a lot of people who didnt even Play it but it Has one of the best written and interesting lore I've ever seen in fiction. The fact that Mihoyo hide a lot of things that Has to be discovered by fans is imo amazing
yup, the amount of lore is mindblowing. its tbh the only thing that keeps me and a lot of other players wanting to play the game. there is so much to unpack in quite literally EVERYTHING
It does have an amazing story, but at the end of the day it's still a predatory gambling game that is designed to frustrate you into spending. And it's an expensive game at that, for the price of a full Triple AAA game you only get 20 rolls, and you need 160 for a guaranteed character. If your luck is bad, you can spend over $4,000 maxing out just a single character. Other than the greed factor and the time gating, it is an amazing game though
@@zuriel4783 predatory?
@@zuriel4783 alright thats a complete stretch.
@@dr.alphys What's a stretch?
Didn't Albedo got his vision from doing nothing? Since his story states that his vision randomly appeared when he was doing experiment and he didn't gave it much thought.
Exactly, which is why I don't really think his vision is of much, if any use to him. Being a creation of Rhinedottir and possessing mastery over the art of khemia renders his vision pointless, at least in battle
Since the real one didn’t do much what if the fake one’s ambition to replace the real one got so high Celestia gave the real one a vision?
Or real Albedo has some ambition we don’t know or I forgot abt
@@Flakii Albedo did have an ambition, creating a life out of alchemy. Well it started as a mission from his master, but he shows much enthusiasm in it now
Same with Mona, technically.
Lisa really just thought "I need a vision" and it appeared in her hands
Khaenri'ah chapter is not the VII, it goes along our travels, that is why it is a blank, if flows with time, probably even looping to the past. Wouldn't surprise me if we see the travel from our twin perspective too at _the end_
Every quest that Dainsleif appeared, was part of Khaenri'ah chapter.
30:53 *Archons are false gods* Erm... how did you get stuck on that one? You answered yourself in 48:25 The Unknown Goddess is the Demiurge.
But... I will refresh it for you and the others. Now... in resuming it I will butcher it, so my apologies to people that already knows, I mean no harm.
The assessment originates from a core point of Gnosticism and the whole game is based on it, so...
Gnosticism says in general that everyone has the potential to reach Godhood, the more your soul *see* each reincarnation the more divine you are, and that knowledge and spiritual enlightenment, is called Gnosis.
Gnosticism doesn't care about sin and repentance, but with illusion (delusion) and enlightenment (vision)
To understand the truth of the world and ourselves, that is what matters.
However, to be able to *see* means realizing that the world we are living is _fake_
Created by a false god (Demiurge) to chain us, physically and spiritually. To just live here every day as mere humans, instead of transcend and be what we could be: gods.
Now, the term Archon (ἄρχοντες) in Gnosticism is applied to the Seven Rulers of Darkness, and we must reject them to escape the false world. The Seven are our enemies and, sure as hell, not real gods. At least in the terms of what Gnosticism recognizes as such.
They kind of represent feelings (not necessary what we would call bad ones) that would serve as anchor to the world and make us *not see*
The problem is, that in the game, this is contradictory. The game calls them Archons, but they have Gnosis.
Those are initially opposites, but because they reject the position of Archons and lose their Gnosis... I guess could work in some way?
42:35 *The Archons are not as old as they seem*
You kind of missed the point here, as is referring as Archons as the role/position, not the people in the role.
What is saying is that Archons is something recent in comparison with the Genesis of the World.
Because there was no need for them before/Celestia wasn't here to create that role.
And this is my own theory, but that the visions come from The Irminsul Tree, so Celestia is lying and canalizing the energy that should return to the ley lines and The Irminsul. That is why is petrified, there is nothing that "waters" it.
And an important point that is not in your iceberg, in Gnosticism, they see Lucifer as an ally, because no matter his motives, he rebels against the false god and shares that hidden knowledge.
Lucifer was called _the Morning Star_ and _the Shining Light_ and so you know, the Travelers in every language are named after the concept of light, and started as stars travelling the sky.
They are rebellious, even recognized as criminals in both Liyue, and Inazuma, countries ruled by Archons.
Paimon is the first servant of Lucifer, so are the demons in Ars Goethia... I don't think I need to add anything else here.
this was really interesting to read! it makes a lot of sense too
@@RAAAUGHGUAGHAHA Thanks! I thought I wrote too much.
But then again, I guess this long video would suit people that isn't bothered by a long wall of text? XD
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I wrote this to answer someone else, but I think still follows my early comment, so I will paste it here too.
King Paimon mythologically:
[...]knowledge of past and future events, clearing up doubts, making spirits appear, creating visions, acquiring and dismissing servant spirits, reanimating the dead for several years, flight, remaining underwater indefinitely, and general abilities to "make all kinds of things" (and) "all sorts of people and armor appear" at the behest of the magician.[...]
In the game:
-She is our guide, and teaches us Teyvat's language and writing.
-She asks questions, even dumb ones, just to clear out any potential doubt.
-She can summon servant spirits because the characters in the gacha are not the real ones, in case you didn't realize it. And she dismisses them to who knows where when we change the party.
-The domains where we kill already dead people over and over, can be thanks to her.
-She can flight.
-We fished her and who knows how much time she was underwater.
-The shop where we get all kind of crap (weapons and people) is called Paimon's Bargains.
-Our amazing storage capacity exist just because of her.
And more stuff that you can pick up on.
I don't think they chose the names of the Ars Goetia just by coincidence and sounding cool, and I am interested in where this could go.
Edit: Grammar, English is not my first language. If you see horrendous failures somewhere, please forgive me.
holy shit I'm not really into theories but damn this was so interesting
@@Ilwenray85 It fits too well omg
And if I may add, if I remember correctly, Paimon is also the god of Northwest (or symbolizes something like this), and guess where is the Paimon menu in the game ? In the top left corner !!
Mihoyo is really amazing to include all those references, the amount of work must have been huge
actually, lucifer is not in the Bible, it's an error. The name there means " being made of light"
not a morning star, but you theory kinda makes sense. Also, Ars Goethia doesn't make much sense too at all haha.
"the abyss is not accessible to the players"
ekonomiya: are you sure about that
its not the abyss
@@aurelian3268 it is, its confirmed to be apart of the abyss
tbh I'm pretty sure that it's a just case of language being confusing again. It could mean the abyss,: as in the depths of the ocean, or *the* abyss
@@johnmcgee2087 enjou says to be there for a specific reason and it isnt a place he's always at, if it were to be the abyss he wouldn't be looking to leave the place the moment his mission was done
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As someone with both disorders I can safely say, I relate heavily to sucrose(on the aspect of having a special interest, being dangerously introverted, hyperfocusing so much on something that you put your health on the line, etc.) but since it's not actually cannon most people just headcannon it for fun ig? Anyways if she did happen to be a cannon nuerodivergant character, in my opinion she'd be a great rep(except for some aspects ofc, like the stereotype that we're either incredibly dumb or that antisocial smart guy that belittles everyone-)
My theory is :
Paimon is our vision, because visions are given to people so the celestia can keep watch of those people, so paimon is here to keep watch on us aswell.
Editttt :
On the recent event with kichiboushi the tanuki, kichiboushi miss pronounced paimon's name to "*BYEmon" "SPYmon" And "paiMORE" It sounds like a hint from mihoyo that paimon is a spy, like the vision theory I mentioned, and she's more than what meets the eye, and possibly will leave us someday
Edit 2 :
Found a theory that said paimon mightve been the one to grant us the power to weild the elements from the statues, not to mention the statues have a similar design to paimon. And also, it's a bit odd that paimon is our guide and knows a lot about Tyvat but people in Tyvat doesn't seem to know what or who she is.
I think our sibling can also use the elements tho they just choose to use whatever that white power is
oooohhhh that would be so cool
@@kerembaturpehlivan3702 probably a similar power to what dainslief has, dain doesn't have a vision yet he has powers, its weird because khanriah has no god and no source of power, my guess is something to do with the art of khemia the alchemy thing
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@@crystalgacha2218 artificial element boi
20:16 Lisha - From what I recall (therefore take with a grain of salt) of world quests in the area, Lisha used to be a city/civilization somewhat aligned with Liyue but not under Morax's protection directly? The civilization collapsed 500 years ago after being overrun by the Cataclysm and the monsters from it. The theory is that the relatively recent troubles with the Chasm, where the Traveler meets NPC miners talking about being unemployed, is related to whatever destroyed Lisha, now reawakened.
I don't think Paimon and the unknown god (TUG) are the same person, but rather... are sisters. Specifically the two moon sisters who were cast out of the sky.
12:27 "who hail from snezhnaya" *proceeds to circle fontaine* lol
this was really well done! it helped introduce me to a lot of the genshin lore and it makes me excited for what future updates have to offer
glad you liked it :) and yeah it also makes me excited for future updates, especially the ones with new regions hahah
Excellent video. Interesting to add, Venti mentioned an artist from Earth (our Earth) in the mondstadt chapter's epilogue, further bolstering the theory other ppl besides Trav (and Aloy) to came to Mond in certain point, but also suggesting ppl from Teyvat (or at least, being of the calliber of Barbatos) being able to leave Teyvat, visit other worlds and rerturn at some point
If I remember correctly Venti has a line somewhere “There is not a single song I do not know, whether it be the past, present, or future”
Fun fact; what we have seen from celestia, it looks like a high security prison that exists somewhere on earth, so that thing about celestia being hell could not be so wrong (we saw pictures when vanessa went to celestia that's what I took it from)
Underrated content, i see a lot of effort went into this, it's a shame so little people watch this. Also activate windows.
thanks for the compliments! gives me the dopamine my brain needs
also i swear windows was activated (in a very legal and completely legitimate manner, trust me) when i started editing, up to 27:11 there's no watermark, but then there suddenly is :(
@@maplecatstars Enjoy the dopamine!
12:40
Zapolyarny Palace literally means in russian that it is beyond or behind the Arctic Circle known as Polar Circle in Russia. Just a little note.
I love how at 47:00 he went to plunge on the heat lantern thing and his scarlet quartz went away, stood there for a second, went upwards towards the mountain to get another, then said "screw this im starting it"
4:00 If Natlan is inspired by the Phillipines or Mexico that's really cool! I'm Filipino myself and I would to see that in-game someday.
For the link with honkai (i played almost everything):
In chapter 17 of the main story, in one of the cutscenes, Dvalin appears when Otto (antagonist in honkai) is monitoring the imaginary tree (or sth like that i don't remember what he was exactly doing but it's linked to this tree were are all worlds)
Some Honkai characters also have Genshin counterparts: Raiden Shogun and Mei, Yae Miko and Sakura, Unknown god and Herrscher of the Void, Venti and Wendy,...
i don't think the characters are actually their counterparts tbh i feel like mihoyo was just being lazy and used the honkai characters as a base to make other similar characters for genshin
as a short update:
in enkanomiya, people there found that there was a time in teyvat where celestia didnt exist yet, that includes gods. the original "gods" are the seven primal "dragon kings" (dragons as in vishaps, including azhdaha), hence explaining the "the gods are not as old as they seem" theory.
thanks a lot! i haven't played through enkanomiya that much yet, genshin burnout hits hard 🥲
"your telling me this little shit is older than China itself"
That caught me off guard 🤣
Very nice video , but both siblings are canon . Lumine and Aether are both canon . It’s already confirmed by Mihoyo . So it’s better to use traveller/sibling bc you might confuse someone. If you want to know more , you can watch latest video of Catwithbluehat. They make amazing theory videos
Paimon cpuld actually be that demon named Paimon. Both serve and follow a higher person. Both can control time since whenever you pause the game to go to Paimons bargain shop or something everything freezes except Paimon.
“And some of them don’t even care about the gifts that were bestowed by the gods”
Keqing: *sweats nervously*
If Paimon is connected to the unknown god, it'd be interesting if they made the fight to break Paimon free from her control scaled in difficulty depending on how rude you are to her throughout the story. Making those who think that the emergency food joke is funny every time have a harder time than others.
6:00 Seamus Pegg shows up in the first chapter of the manga.
ohh
oops
The video was amazing, the way you explain each topic made really easy to understand and made me more interesting than ever before with all the lore of Genshin
I also like the memes throw now and there that made the video more fun to watch, also, I don't know if it is the way you speak or how you deliver the topics or your voice, I don't really know but I never got tired and wanted to change the to another video, I don't know what else to say,it was epic,keep the good work
damn man, thanks a lot! really appreciate the support, it keeps me goin fr fr
One of my favourite theories is similar to the limiting technology one: The direct translation for visions from the CN version is "eyes of the gods". Visions are only given to those with aa certain amount of ambition. Because Celestia is worried they will be overthrown by humans, they use visions to keep an eye on people who could potentially threaten them, which is why visions began to be handed out after the Archon War.
all of this work behind the game really makes me love Genshin and see their price for gacha more than worthy. I don't regret a bit getting some primos every now and then.
Archon is just a title for the gods that hold a gnosis.
Also it's one of those redundant terms the localization team put in to sound fancy and now there is the issue of calling a god an Archon who discarded her gnosis therefore not affiliated with Celestia anymore.
In other languages the members of the Seven are just called gods with no distinction between them and the others.
Some of the lingering theories are based on outdated information and were disproven long ago by world building.
It was stated that only two of the original Seven remain but that doesn't mean the newer ones are actually all new or young gods. The original god of electro died 500 years ago and her sister who ruled and fought in the Archon War together with her took up the title. The good of Dendro however is actually about 500 years old having inherited her position.
25:29 whoever drew this deserves the absolute best, but I am foaming at the mouth right now
This absolutely slaps, my guy. I can't wait for the updated version!
Ik I’m late, but your theory on the archons was confirmed with Enkinomiya. And I lost my mind because I was right on the theory the entire time. With that new update they confirmed a lot of our theories about the game and hinted at so many things. It’s not even stubble, it’s so obvious that it could happen because if you look for the books, then you can get so much lore that just confirms everything.
12:28
‘Snezhnaya’
*circles Fontaine*
What a great video! really well made too, shame it doesnt have as much views it deserves.
Thanks a bunch, means the world to me!
Can't wait for the full release of all chapters and see you do this for 7days 20hours and 34minutes
3:10 “the vision is decorated according to the region the character originates from” this was already proved false with Thoma, who is originally from Mondstadt but moved and is currently residing in Inazuma, meaning it’s current residency not origin- which is weird but oh well
I remember that Childe received his vision while he was in the abyss, so 1. there are different parts of the abyss and that section was in snezhnaya, 2. his vision design is actually from the abyss, or 3. hoyoverse just did something and went with it
When I saw you bringing up Miltenberg as an example for a german city I was pretty surprised and happy cause I was born and lived there for 20 years now.
That's so nice! Was it really similar to Mondstadt though? Or am I wrong?
@@maplecatstars Although I can't say for sure how it looked in it's early years, the old town of the city (where the picture you took was taken, this place specifically is called "Schnatterloch" which literally translates to "chatter hole") definitely gives you some Mondstadt vibes.
man , you sure are positive to think natlan will come out SO EARLY 2042 is just behind the corner for mihoyo.
About the "Archons are false gods"
Me and my brother noticed that all of the seven ideals the archons pursue are either fake under the argument of they being human beliefs, and that there are atomic / molecular compositions for all seven elements that may deceive people at first
The only god that may apply to the title of "True god" is the god of time, as all elements need time to function properly
I'm the Genshin savvy, my brother knows a lot more about science and stuff so I might get this wrong but:
Anemo can be reffered to just oxygen, but it's the flow of cause-effect allowing movement with time. In the context of a tale with start and end, "Freedom" is an ilussion a character may get about being able to change the content of the tale, when in reality everything he makes builds up to his own story.
Geo can be tied to the unification of elements. We weren't able to find a way to demerit "Contracts", let me know if someone gets something
Electro in Genshin is very likely to not be the representation of "Eternity", nor electricity, but the constant change and cyclical nature of the world. If time would ever stop, the concept of "Eternity" would no longer make sense.
Dendro is the element of "Knowledge", which formed through evolution as a way for living beings to be able to remember the instincts that helped them survive, this is known to be just a very complex composition of molecules that act in one's brain or body.
Hydro may sound as just hydrogen but I believe it can apply to anything under the liquid status. "Justice" is the human perception of balance. Same luck as Geo honestly
Pyro is a concentration of energy due to a chemical reaction that causes elements to move at a higher pace. Higher pace is where "War" may come in place, but this would need constant movement which would be impossible without time.
Cryo does not directly refference Ice. Ice is any liquid with a generalized lack of movement around it to a point where it would seem that time did stopped. Cryo is the generalized lack of movement from where a character may have a goal to stop time and pursue something. There's a theory that mentions that the Cryo Archon is the god of Love, but me and my brother think the Tsaritsa is also the Archon of Hate, because in order to hate something, you must need to love something else in comparison, "Hate" generates Cryo energy as well. (So you "Love" to "Hate" something).
Additionally, archons may be puppets from Celestia to keep an eye on Vision holders to avoid some human tries to take over it, we may even know a bit more about it with the new Raiden Shogun boss
Baizhu seems to be researching on Qiqi for her preservation methods as a way of preserving knowledge, given how Genshin works, I assume the Tsaritsa was the only one to remember that all archons were forcefully commanded to destroy Khaenri'ah
, explaining all of the "Rebellion against the divine" stuff
Additionally additionally, this is HUGE speculation but my brother once dreamed to be in Teyvat and was able to traverse most of it. He predicted the way how stuff tends to dissapear when coming close to the end of the map before the archipelago update and found out that the Hydro archon is A HUGE LIAAAR, he even said that she may come from another existential realm and has a close relationship with either Asmoday or the God of Time which sounds reasonable but waay to far-fetched and with no evidence at all. He apparently experienced so much about the other nations (Especially how fire-arms are a recent invention and were created and distributed on Natlan by Fountaine, or the fact that Khaenri'ah also exists in a different existential realm outside of Teyvat) but that's as much as he remembers
I'm all for smaller content creators gaining the recognition they deserve. The editing is top notch too. Good job on the video!
36:59 Current Electro archon is Beelzebub, not Baal, which is her twin sister and dead
But overall insane video, I'm waiting for an update with new lore from Enkanomiya
this is a first Iceberg Explained I've seen for Genshin Impact & it's well made
I feel the idea that Paimon is the sustainer of heavenly principles is probably the least likely of all the theories presented here, tbh. It goes against basically every aspect of the character design for either. The names mean more than people realize, it seems.
Well, I do have ADHD, and that is clearly true with Sucrose and Albedo. She can be a bit forgetful at times (one symptom of ADHD), and also she can get a bit hyper sometimes (expressed by happiness) One fact as well, Sucrose has rejection-sensitive dysphoria. She is often scared to blamed about her experiments failing, saying that Eula tried out one of Sucrose's experiments, but it failed. Eula is about to head back to complain, but Sucrose has labeled that project as a failure.
As for Albedo, he is often alone most of the time, provoking loneliness and no friendships. He can wander to the mountains sometimes, which is also in relation to ADHD. His emotions can reflect somewhat of depression, since he can be emotionless, speaking very plainly. (If you wonder why I mention about depression with ADHD, these disorders both have a relationships in terms of emotions and actions.)
Feel free to add or criticize anything here! If you have ADHD/ADD and don't understand much about it, just know that it is a complicated thing to learn, and that you should be yourself.
Thats a good HC :D
this is just my speculation, as im not caught up to everything in genshin impact. for the "archons are false gods" part, i wonder if it was just a misunderstanding of the line? archons are separate from gods by title; even if an archon steps down, they are still gods. god would be the "species" and "archon" is moreso a title.
if you look up the definition of a "god," there are two definitions you can work off of.
"(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being."
or
"(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity."
if we are operating off the former, then this could imply that the archons are being puppeteered by the true ruler of the universe, and are therefore not all-powerful, making them distinct from gods.
if we operate off the latter, it could just be as i initially assume: gods are, moreso, just distinct from adepti and humans, and archon could be an official title gods are crowned with, similarly to how a "monarch" of a country is appointed.
_i_ could just be misunderstanding the information given, though. i like felix raycher's theory on it in the comments more than my technical explanation.
Archons and gods are most definitely separate given the many mentions of existing (and dead) gods that are not archons. Even the archon war alone is proof that "god" and "archon" are not synonymous. Gods had to fight before archons even existed for them to take the role of archon.
I mean, even Guoba is a god, or at the very least a fallen god. But he isn't and never was an archon.
35:33 Me with diagnosed ADHD and likes Albedo to the point of maining him: "Is...is this a personal attack?"
This should have more views
thanks a lot! means the world to me :)
oh my god. i watch 2-4 hour video essays for fun, and the iceberg ones are my favourites. glad to see this in my recommended.
12:46 - Zapolyarny means "beyond polar"
Polyarny means "polar"
I'm Russian.
I believe that theory that says visions are used to control mankinds most powerful individuals. You said that they don't take away anyone's free will but maybe the "control" it exerts is more subtle, why else would losing a vision lead to a person's loss of motivation? Why would they be forced upon a person even when they don't want them, like Keqing, aren't they supposed to be a gift?
this is a really great video, you complemented a lot of theories i already had with others scattered across the internet, it's really helpful.
For the honkai and genshin are in the same multiverse, it is mentioned in a dev yt video when they were explaining how they designed Fallen Rosemary
Loved this video and it sparked a lot of excitement about the future of Genshin, thanks a lot.
50:19 I think this one was simpler. I think it's referring to the fact that khaenri'ah (the godless nation) was the most technologically advanced, while the nations with gods are far behind. This would imply that having a god ruling the nation limits their technological progress, maybe because people under a god would rely on them instead of making discoveries through science and stuff
Didn't they say that Khaenria needed to defend itself, which is why it had to improve their technology in order to survive as a nation, the other nations have Archons to defend them
oh my god how did i completely miss this lmfao
it makes absolute sense
The last part of the video was something I FUCKING NEEDED. I always thought about those words Dainsleif said and you expressed all my thoughts perfectly. Thank you so much for doing this video, I'll surely like it and I'll watch some more of your content. You're underrated!
25:27 LMAO we definitely need this banner
I have a feeling that Genshin world is like No Game No Life where you beat the leader of a country and collect their chess pieces before challenging the Divine in an ultimate game to decide the next Divine
Khaenri'ah tried to cheat by joining the game without having an archon (player) who receive their license by winning the archon war so the GM aka the divine ban them from competing so our sister after having an intense gaming moment decided to grind for 500 years and prepare to collect the chess pieces and challenge the divine for revenge probably make a new rule and play a different game or something cuz she doesn't like the way things are atm
While the other archon, at least the one we have seen so far don't really care about Gnosis or the new game plus as they already have their fun in the archon war and decided to just rule without it or let mankind rule themselves why they observe from the sideline. BTW what even is Gnosis, I assume it was some kind of tool that allow the gods to gain power through the faith of their people and allow the user to use some special ability like Morax creating mora, but other than Venti who started as a weak spirit, Zhongli and Ei are already OP without it and probably the other Archon too unless the special ability of Gnosis is crucial to whatever they are doing right now?
Dude, with your editing and humour, you have potential. Looking forward to future videos! Subbed!
As an old ass honkai player, I can afirm that the games seen to be deeply connect in both universe and lore. Also the characters names/designs lol the genshin x honkai event also hinted this a lot
And here i thought i knew it all… overall great video, love the editing😌
The fact that the orginal electro archon and the current electro archon are twins debunks the theory that the new archons are reincarnations of the old ones.
I cant believe i just watched a whole hour video on video game lore
The 3 moons are mentioned in the Fischl’s bow lore I think
As a brazilian I kinda forgot to breath at 4:42 that was funny and sad at the same time
hey i'm brazilian too! high five ✋
@@maplecatstars honestly, your English was so good that if you didn't mentioned it I'd never know about that.
Also high five 🖐
Regarding 42:36 and the theory of the archons being young, I suppose it refers to how the travellers are probably much more older than even the oldest archons, being otherworldly beings who have been travelling for who knows how long from world to world, meaning Teyvat isn't their first world they've visited, and probably not the last.
4:02 2042? or 2022? Dude my soul cannot wait 20 years lol
That transition at 14:27 damnn
it was bad
I think Genshin Impact lore is underrated, and I bet with the help of your amazing video this won't be for long.
Seriously, great job!
This is a really underrated lore video, keep it up man!
It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, thank you so much for this video!!
welp the way the big asf lore bomb that is enkanomiya dropped after this video is just unfortunate tbh. some things really are outdated but now I'm wondering why there hasnt been a popular iceberg of the game's lore that is more recent. having been a lore nerd since the beginning I feel like I know an incredible amount more than what the iceberg shows. lurking on the genshin lore sub really helps but the moment you walk in there you're gonna find random information you have zero clue about unless u have been there since it was created so be warned lol.
luckily a lot of lore in this video explained a lot of some of the random stuff I got bombarded with when I first went there like asmoday and the moon sisters and seelie but theres probably a giant backstory (theory) that might connect ALL three and then some, which just kind of shows how dedicated people are to this game's story tbh
loved the video, it was an interesting watch and the editing is really good! thank you for making this :D
Alright so here's one little note about Varka;
In Godwin's commision , he says that Varka has been sending letters about his travels. The last he heard was from Liyue if I remember correctly. I guess we probably should've seen him in that case. Since Inazuma is closed, he may have had to go to the next closest nation [Sumeru]. The death theory makes a lot of sense though..Guess we'll just have to wait and see
I love that opening. 😎 You are pretty good at this.
10:07 the whole Alice thing made me laugh but she did do some sinister shit
LOVE the occasional cut off outbursts. Some of my favorite comedy. XD
loved this video. hope to see more stuff like it
14:29 that transition is amazing
Correction: Sumeru is India. All the NPCs from there EXCEPT Cyno (greek) and Collei (celtic) have Hindi-style names. Mount Sumeru is a place, IN INDIA, in buddhist myth. The archon's name, Lesser Lord Kusanali, is Hindi. All cultural references to Sumeru have been Indian.
The idea that Sumeru is middle eastern comes entirely from Cyno being jackal-headed and arabesque music playing during his appearance in the travails trailer. Are we to conclude that Mondstadt is actually Argentinian because of Eula's trailer? In fact, as an Aristocrat, Eula's demo might have been a reference to the nazi refugees in Argentina, but India shares a border with Pakistan and historical kingdoms had blended indo-greek cultural heritage, which could as easily explain Cyno. He's one character.
And Vision bearers might not retain as much free will as you think! We see from the Inazuma questline that the Vision contains the ambitions a person held before gaining a Vision, and that these ambitions can be taken away by separating them from their Vision. While it doesn't show anything explicitly beyond that, the fact that that can happen at all heavily implies that there is a purpose, probably one of control, behind Visions containing and _replacing_ ambitions. In some ways (besides sheer power), trading one's life force to use a Delusion might even be preferable.
Also "Eyes of God" is just the literal translation from Chinese, Delusions are called "Daemon's Eyes" but they were translated as Vision and Delusion because "Delusion" fits the Fatui motif (Fatui means fools) even though it somewhat misses what "fool" or "fatuus" means in an occult context (one who has unlimited potential, and is not shackled by the chains of social or divine laws; A court jester may be uneducated, but that means he has an entire mind to fill, and due to his station he knows much and can say whatever he likes without consequence; That is what the Fatui are most likely meant to represent, not just "stupid henchmen to the bad guy" like "delusion" suggests). I forget where but either in the manga or somewhere in the game (maybe Venti's dialogue) it's also stated that those who receive Visions are technically eligible to become Archons, though most never have such an opportunity; We can safely assume that all those who replaced Archons who have died were first Vision-bearers (also reminder that Ei was able to cleave an island in two and kill a god with the sword she keeps in her bra BEFORE she became an Archon, when she was filling in for her sister; just a wild implication of the Inazuma timeline I wanna throw out there).
In the new Enkanomiya content, it is explicitly stated that Celestia brought the gods and monsters from other worlds and started the Archon War. If I recall the text correctly, unlike the Khaenri'ahns who were always at odds with Celestia, the Enkanomiyans actually went along with this and rolled with the punches, until Celestia decided they should be thrust under the sea with no explanation and no chance for redemption. It was only after Orobashi, a younger god, was defeated during the Archon War (but not slain), iirc by Morax, and sought refuge under the sea, finding Enkanomiya, that they were freed from what would have been an eternity of terror; Orobashi drove away most of the dragons that preyed upon the inhabitants and allowed them to grow as a civilization, until one day it accidentally read a forbidden text that predated the coming of Celestia to Teyvat, and learned the truth of its own origin and the Archon War and was forced by Celestia to go on a suicide mission against Baal (though it was instead met by Beelzebul, who was nonetheless powerful enough to execute it).
Also to add something re: Vision-bearers becoming Archons, Ningguang has several signs of being an Archon's avatar (she is the only non-archon who can use elemental abilities with no physical focus- Klee uses bombs, Amber has her baron bunny (and in the webtoon, handfuls of rocks), most characters use weapons to channel their Vision's element, but Ning only uses a catalyst for the Jade Screen and her plunging attack, while Venti can call on the wind without using an object and Zhongli can actually create spears out of pure geo energy instead of infusing his existing spear with geo- and she has gradient hair, which isn't, like, something that shouldn't be possible without being an archon, it's just that apart from Venti, Zhongli and Raiden, she is the ONLY character so far who has it, which is pretty sus) and even has a name from the Ars Goetia (Phoenix- Check her namecard, and also look up the Chinese version of it; Instead of Fenghuang, it's something like (iirc) Fenghues, meaning she is not actually called "phoenix" as in the mythical bird (let alone the "Chinese Phoenix" as one would expect), she's called a phonetic transliteration of the Goetic Daemon Phoenix or Phenex).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenex
On the counterpoint one archon-sign she's missing is glowing pupils, the other thing besides gradient hair that all three archons we've seen have in common. Even characters with lighter pupils than irises like Hu Tao and Kaeya have pupils that look "dull" (unfortunate in Hu Tao's case because it makes her in-game model look a lot less cute and lively than her art imo!) probably to make the archons' sparks of elemental colour look brighter by comparison, but Ningguang straight up has ordinary dark pupils. Then again, while she has some very archon-like traits (as though she is destined to replace Morax as the geo archon, perhaps), perhaps the pupils are something that only happens AFTER actually becoming an archon.
She's not the only living mortal we know of with a Goetic name, by the way, and Goetic names don't automatically mean someone is either an archon or destined to die trying to become one (like Havria and Guizhong kinda did). Andrius is the Goetic Andreas, Jean's title "Dandelion Knight" is Dantalion, the original Dandelion/Lionfang Knight, Venessa, is probably the Goetic Vine (and became a godlike being and entered Celestia, but was not an archon; note that there is some severe quirkiness here because the Dandelion Knight is defined as one of the four winds and Venessa is defined as another of the four winds, meaning that while she was alive Venessa was two of the four winds; three of the four winds have Goetic names but Dvalin comes from the poetic Eddas, along with his brother Durin), etc. There's still a lot of oddness about Ningguang that suggests she's a little closer to the divine than other mortals, either way.
Mihoyo, I’m not playing this game in 2040 or whatever. Imma be like 30 , I’ll probably be dead by then🗿🗿
are you really gonna die happily if you dont get to play as dainsleif before your last moments tho
The game probably will be finished in 2026. (at least the main story and all regions)
@@maplecatstars 😭😭😭 you’re right
@@Disorder2312 gosh I hope so
What if visions are a symbiotic life force between gods and people? We see in chapter 2 that 'ambitions' never leave the vision, in this same chapter we also see that delusions drain a person to death, and that a person that loses their vision become a shell of their former self. What if 'ambition' is synonymous with a person's life force, or soul, and visions are a soul vessel, which is why the loss of a vision is so drastic. Gods provide visions to those with the strongest willpower, and in turn provide a sustainable life force them, in turn for their own life force once they pass, their 'ambition' or soul; this would also explain why delusions, false visions, drain a person to death, because they don't have a godly life force sustaining their holder. This soul reaping would be what sustains a god's longevity, and how the current archons do not die as other gods had in the past, and only the strongest willed are chosen due to their willpower, where a typical mortal wouldn't be as sustainable in the symbiotic relationship. This would also explain how visions grant elemental powers in the symbiotic relationship, and how the strongest willed seem like demigods, and how they're supposedly a candidate to be a god.
Delving further, those of the Abyss have access to the same powers, but without visions or delusions, meaning that the gods aren't the only beings with access to this higher force of magic. This would make delusions a step between Celestial and Abyssal use of magic, where Celestial is metered via the gods and Abyssal is unmetered and free to use among the people. Abyssal magic would also be why the demiurge destroyed Khaenri'ah, as it goes against Celestia's metering of magic. Which may also show that outsiders to Teyvat, the Travelers, Aloy, people of the Abyss, etc., can attune themselves to an element without a vision, which the demiurge and the supreme being probably aren't happy about.
Connect the dots, Celestia's metering of magic via visions and the symbiotic life force relationships, would show that the demiurge and their supreme being are so powerful because of how the power is symbiotically connected. If the people of Teyvat were allowed the use of magic in the same way that the Abyss and outsiders use it, these beings would fall from power. This also connects to the chess theory, except the pawns would be the vision holders, the non-pawns would be the archons, the playing hand would be the demiurge, with the supreme being in control of it all; this would also explain how a vision holder could also become a god, if the pawn reaches the opposite side of the chess board. Though, one issue is that we know nothing about the opposite side of the board, is the Abyss itself that other side, is it a game of control and freedom, etc.
I also buy into the Paimon is the missing archon theory, the god of time, considering how the pause menu works, the advance time feature, how Paimon blips in and out, teleportation, etc. I think Paimon is also in on the whole plan to dethrone Celestia, but Paimon's job is to protect the traveller. It'd be how Paimon suspiciously knows so much yet reveals very little. Even how the Traveler meets Paimon is suspicious, how does a floating creature end up drowning until they're fished out but a supposedly random person. This would also explain why there's no time visions, Paimon just doesn't hand them out, _but_ time is a power seen in use by higher order Abyssal enemies, the whole dimensional gate thing; so possibly not just time, but time and space.
I have a feeling that chapter 7/? will delve into this. Chapter 6 will probably end with the Tsaritsa giving Paimon the various Gnoses before we head into the Abyss chapter. This Abyss chapter will then be both sides of the chess board going against the demiurge and the supreme being. With the revelation that the Teyvat-side of the world is actually a gnostic hell with the supreme being being the Abrahamic Satan/Iblis, going back into the false gods theory, and the explanation of how the names are tied to demonology. Game ends with the defeat of the supreme being, with a potential epilogue being the world beyond Teyvat, Dead Sea areas with more gods would be the most logical way forward, exploring what remains of the living gods outside of Teyvat and Celestia.
i’m gonna pretend i did not hear the one about kaeya’s ponytail.
ik i'm late, but you putting philippines as inspiration for natlan hopefully would come true. to think that women in philippines actually has equal status to men and 17-18th centuries before women are also part being an army in war. as a filo, im proud there's a philippine content here lol
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