Hey Guys! Glad to see all of you taking an interest in the video! Just to be transparent, this video was made before the release of 3.0. With the exception of Collie I did not include the Sumeru portion of the archon quest with my evaluation. I agree Sumeru has improved the story a little and I will return to it at a later date. 😄
The first question what were they doing....may be during that time paimon taught paimon about the language and all... Its in traveller dialogue that she did....
I’m just waiting to see how they handle the conclusion to the archon quest. Sumeru is the middle point of the game. It’ll effect how many players view genshin’s narrative as a whole.
The reason we don't see Teppei's funeral is because Teppei did not really die. He faked his death for the greater good, then retired as an inconspicuous street-food salesman by dying his hair. You will find him everywhere, traveling across Teyvat wearing disguises -- sometimes as a knight of Favonius, sometimes as a Milileth, etc.
@@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber Because the NPC face and body models and animations are reused to death in this game, it's like all the NPCs are Teppei with different clothes or hair
one of my biggest issues with genshin is that the characters don't actually exist in that game. they appear in quests, interact with each other probably once or twice in their life and then completely evaporate. they don't walk around the city, you can't see them in their respective work places or homes like imagine going to dawn winery in mondstadt and seeing diluc inside the mansion just sitting there or jean and kaeya in knights of favonious headquarters? how cool would that be? but instead we have the same boring npcs always standing around but the actual characters hoyo wants you to spend money on are nowhere to be found? like where are they?? the only taste of that we got during lantern rite festival where some characters could be spotted in various places of liyue until the end of latern rite event but it should be a norm!
Here's the stupid thing about this, in Star Rail they literally fixed that problem, except for some obvious characters everyone else can be found in the worlds. But the Genshin dev team doesn't want to learn from the HSR one.
At least in The Cat's Tail characters will actually be there and you can play with them, it feels so nice since it's just the two of you hanging out without Paimon or treasure hoarder npc 263
The biggest problem I noticed is that genshin wants to tell a story full of interesting characters, but doesn't know how to make those characters backstories intertwine with the story itself. Teyvat kind of feels like a guided tour full of actors and its all set up for the travelers benefit.
exactly this. i feel the same way. the company's other two honkai games are doing amazingly on this aspect, which makes me wonder why it even is a problem for genshin
oh that's the biggest problem? I thought that was always the intentions from the start because world building focus style. these characters just a guide for us players to understand the world and why the travelers got caught up in teyvat fucked up world.
@@kuroro9589no the biggest problem is genshin impact story is still fucking incomplete . They are just extending it for views . When will they complete it? When gta 7 comes out?
@@secretunknown2782 are there any live service games other than Genshin that have complete story? I'm used to episodic stories from MMORPG like Ragnarok Online and they still continuing till now. Genshin is not MMO but it is live service game, so that's why I always thought this is live service nature. Never crossed on my mind that that is a game problem.
FINALLY SOMEONE ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE RECYCLED ANIMATIONS DURING DIALOGUE. IT'S ANNOYED ME FOR SO LONG I LITERALLY CANNOT TAKE "EMOTIONAL" MOMENTS SERIOUSLY.
@@dehyadiar It's not like they can't. For me it's just being efficient. Rigging and animating a character to do even simple pose take a considerable amount of effort. Even if Hoyoverse got enough manpower to finish animating for every quests that you play for like couple of hours then forget about them in the next 5 minutes, the game memory would become at least twice as much as what we're having now.
@@TriThanhNguyen-us7qi They don't mean they need a new animation for everything they speak. They just want some more animations to express a emotion. For example: when a character is sad, instead of doing the hand on head pose, actually make them look disappointed. Even 1 or 5 animations would make up for it.
@@dehyadiarTo be honest, now that I think about it, during the Sumeru archon quests, most of the characters use the same animations, like Alhaitham and Dehya and some other mercs.
Hard agree. I recently went through one of the exploration quests in Sumeru where some of the human 'enemies' were main characters and getting to see their designs and animations up close were pretty cool, i couldnt stop staring at them. too bad the quest ended with a cutscene of two characters just standing in the void thinking at each other- it was clearly supposed to be an emotional moment, but thanks to the lack of animation (and the fade to black w/text), it fell really flat.
I thought the same too until you do a little bit of modding and port the character over. Once you can actually play as the Eremite enemies you realize they'd actually need to be adjusted and improved to meet the standards of the playable characters.
@@LolwhattheheckI really enjoy the fontaine storytelling. And sidechsracters (like dunphy from the musical group) do get a backstory. But I also think it is a bit close to "Arcane", with Chevreuse looking like caitlyn from LOL and also heaving a rifle with headshot and beeing a police officer- who (like caitlyn in arcane) is looking in underground city to find drugsmugglers. coincidence? I love the detective way of story telling.
I’m so mad that these limited time events didn’t become ACTUAL PERMANENT STORY QUESTS- I mean! Some of them are sooooo important! Geez Genshin… as a lore lover.. this really hurts me.
@@Permiton see that's the problem, as mentioned in the the video you can view the lore on yt sure but you'd still miss out on other bits of lore as well as missing out on the experience itself
I just play this game and that is my biggest criticism of this game.I miss Albedo's or Fiscl's lore because I just play this game 4 or 5 years later.A lot of the new players also will undergo that
Yup. As an old player its so sad new players wont get to experience some of Genshins best storytelling... On another note, Mihoyos answer to making important storylines limited,,, is to create no memorable storylines and events? I feel like during the whole of 4.x theres so little outside of the main story and exploration that I even remember - the events felt so bland. This "solution" is even more upsetting than the problem :/
Here's a sentence that I hold dear deep in my fucking heart: "Genshin's story is actually good if it is told by someone else instead of experiencing it firsthand." I'd rather hear the story from someone else than listening to Paimonial Expositional.
exactly like, we have eyes and ears we can listen to the characters talk and see how the story progresses. we're not fcking 5 year olds. we don't need a flying child to summarize every little detail to us
I love how the point is for the lore to go super deep and be super unexpected, but somehow hoyoverse managed to fuck it up. There’s no mystery to uncover because NO ONE WILL TELL US A DAMN THING! Like Zhongli! Apparently he had dealings with Lumine in the past, but doesn’t even HINT at their history together, just says he can’t tell us! It’s like onion skin, but the onion skin is made of Kevlar.
You make a good point. It's probably so they don't write up the whole story all at once. But that excuse rings hollow when you can just come up with narrative points at which Aether confronts Zhongli about it and this ultimately causes a rift between the two of them. Or something along those lines. But it seems that the story barely wants to progress anyways.
I want some hint about paimon real identity after all these years. Imagine traveler meet one archon,cutscene happen normally,but the archon keep sideglance to paimon and and occasionally stare at camera. And then they suddenly asking "traveler,do you ever wonder what exactly is your travel companion? Do you even ever see anything else like her in teyvat? MC: well paimon is...paimon Paimon: yeah paimon is paimon! "...i see,so that's what happening here,there's no point i am asking that then,i think i just leave it like this for now" *the archon suddenly shift his gaze toward paimon* "I bet you're suprised i am asking that,isnt it? Well guess what "paimon" i am different from everyone,your little trick wont work on me,i dont know what your plan,but i just follow the story like usual for now" Paimon: ...
@@tadicahya6439 I think the reason nobody brings it up is because Teyvat filled with all sort of creatures. You got gods, you got lesser gods, you got talking animals, you got talking dragons, you got Yokai in Inazuma, you got genies in Sumeru, you got demons. So on and so forth. You got so many things that Paimon doesn't seem so odd anymore. But what's odd is that we don't get to see her and the Traveler acting like friends that much. It's either bickering, bullying, forced "suck up to Paimon" options. Yet we're supposed to believe they're the best of friends?
@@فهدالدوسري-ح6ضexactly all these things you mentioned are plural and people always ask what they are when they encounter them firstly, Boreas, Dvalin,the Yokai, the Djins all of them have a form of background, but why don’t they do that with paimon? Yet they choose to insult our intelligence when she introduces herself by saying “Paimon is Paimon” very silly.
@@pelumiogunlana1058 Now that you mention it, it's is quite insulting. Amber is the first and only person to question what she was, and Venti (voicelines) refer to her as a Pixie. Other than that, we don't get told anything at all. Normally that wouldn't be too much of an issue. But this is the so-called "Best Companion Ever!", this is the one we're forced to spend our whole journey with, yet we barely know anything about her. We spent 3 years with her, but all we know about her is that she loves food, Mora, bullying and being judgemental. Where did she come from? What was her life before we met her? Why doesn't she actually act like a guide instead of being as clueless as us? We're supposed to be "The best of friends!" yet we barely know anything about her or the Traveler to begin with.
The worst animation i've seen is when characters walking/running towards us with janky animations, like they be running to us, stop, turn their heads to us, then turn their body, and then starts a conversation. It's the same when they leave; Stop conversation, head turns straight, turns their body, and then runs off.
I’m honestly questioning why Aether wants to meet any more archons at this point. None of them can tell him anything, so why not just talk to Dain? Or better yet, kill abyss monsters until Lumine shows up. Edit: AND NEITHER FURINA NOR NEUVILLETTE COULD TELL US ANYTHING EITHER
Thats exactly what Im thinking. They couldnt even come up with a good excuse they just said- play the game till the end and then you will get a continuation of the main plot
I've said the same thing so many damn times. If lumine is leader of the abyss order, why aren't we trying to investigate or find out more about the Abyss order as a whole instead of going to every nation playing errand boy and fixing everyone's problems and doing their damn taxes. The journey is supposed to be about finding our twin, I'd be fine with traveling to each nation if it had a PURPOSE or lined up with us reuniting with our twin. That's what's lacking in the story, purpose. We do everything for practically no reason and we're just supposed to go along with it.
That is why I am trying to understand dude why you are even doing this all shit. You know your sibling is with abyss research about abyss instead unless there is a good backstory for it as the same question was asked by scara to Traveler why they are even bothering to save sumeru
genshin main story loop: >Traveler arrive on a new region >traveler want to meet archon to ask info about his/her sibbling or his/her wereabout >there are problems in the region >there is a big crisis in the region >traveler do chores >traveler meet new native characters and NPCs >traveler do chores >traveler had bonding quest with certain character >traveler do chores >sometime traveler got manipulated by someone for their benefit >traveler do chores >traveler solve or help other chara solve ppl's problems >traveler solve the big crisis (directly/indirectly) >traveler meet the archon >traveler ask about his/her sibling whereabout >the archon can't tell him/her anything about his/her sibling for some freakin reason >get a message from dainsleif >back to previous region (Mondstadt) >meet dainsleif >do his quest >got main objective progression (info about his/her sibling) >got some lore dump >repeat going to other region become pointless for main character's objective, because everytime we meet archon, there isn't any progress in our main Objective. what make it worse: there isn't any skip or fast foward button, and the dialogue text are painfully slow and goddamn long
updates: at least they break the cycle in sumeru, but man... it's damn too late for me and i don't want play Inazuma archon quest because they have bad pacing and nonsense story
Genshin NEEDS to re-do Inazuma.Also Sumeru was just the same with a _slightly_ better Story. There were still many problems, but some genshin fans won't take any criticism anyways. Sorry, if there was any error in my comment.
Yeah, the MC makes no sense as a character in the plot. The only person MC should trust says "don't trust them" and yet MC trusts them completely and does odd jobs all day and goes to festivals while sibling is missing. Even after learning about the abyss, continues without question to trust and go to festivals. The festivals really annoy me.
@@nottyseel949 Same. Like, aren't you searching for your sibiling? why the fuck are you launching fireworks in Liyue? reading books in Inazuma? playing with balloons in Mondstat? It seems like he/she doesn't really care for their sibiling and just wanna have fun around.
Ah, yes. You want to learn about the character you're playing as? Read this fucking essay that only unlocks as you play as the character. Now, time for you to do a quest about NPC number 768's missing toilet cover that has so much meaning to him because it was his last gift from his wife. Oh, no no. We'll only give you 1/8th of a wish for wasting 45 mins of your time on a pointless quest
I think the major problem is that genshin's writing is very childish (as in "minions" or other cartoons aimed at toddlers). And it works for the first two regions because the plot mostly revolves around fantasy tropes and maintains a high fantasy mood. But everything collapses when writers take on more serious topics, such as politics and civil war, with massacres and war crimes, or when they try to play on psychological grounds, retaining the same childish writing.
By simplifying the electro archons dynamic w her puppet to being “parental” when it literally wasn’t harms so much nuances on her end that no one talks about because everyone accepted the unrequited familial bond scara harbors
I'd argue with "it works for the first two regions". Sure, it does work for the main story, but there are two quests in particular that really frustrated me. First, remember that guy in Xiangling quest that slept in ice for 300 years? Imagine the despair he felt realizing all his friends and loved ones are long gone, the world around him has changed dramatically. Oh wait, you guys are doing a cooking showdown? Guess I'll just forget about my whole life! The second quest is Xingqiu's one. We're walking through Liyue, spending millions buying out Cor Lapis that was reserved for Snezhnaya, just because one guy gets harassed. Sure, that won't affect economics nor Snezhnaya-Liyue relationships, cuz who cares about Snezhnaya, they have Fatui and Fatui are the bad guys! The whole Genshin story is so infantile that I just can't understand people that say they are playing it for the plot.
@@artemiisolovyev8531 well, the entire quest is lighthearted and this guy Is basically the Squirrel from 'Ice age'. Sure, it would be interesting if the plotline of the quest explored the despair you mentioned. But also it would disrupt the flow of the questline instead of just playing this for the gags. And for the fatui, you damn right. Especially considering that it's in Mondstadt the fatui directly attacked the archon and faced no retaliation at all. Everyone just covered it up. Or not covered up, but completely neglected it. Although... it should be noted, fatui wasn't *that* bad back at the beginning. I mean, there were not much information of their intervention. But the later overall neglect of the fatui actions is just underwhelming. They can do whatever they want on foreign soil: lie about their involvement, experiment on people, attack archons and just overally put at risk public safety. And nobody have questions for them nor Snezhnaya authorities.
@@laytonvicars4606 If you want good politics in a fantasy video game, I'd suggest the Crossbell duology of the Kiseki series. The political relations between Crossbell State and its two suzerains and the two superpowers of the continent of Zemuria, the Republic of Calvard and the Erebonian Empire, are really compelling. It actually touches on the issues of Crossbell's sovereignty in a way that Mihoyo wishes they could write. Mihoyo actually takes inspiration from the Trails series, as Star Rail's director confirmed. I mean, HSR's combat system is just Trails without orbments or movement. Asta's staff is just like the orbal staves of Kiseki. The Fatui is just Teyvat's version of the Secret Society of Ouroboros in Zemuria. So they understand what good worldbuilding looks like, but fail to understand why it's good.
I think a strange thing about Genshin is that it can't seem to decide how seriously it's taking itself. The story is so interesting to me, but parts like the whole existence of Paimon or the variety of plot-holes, when juxtaposed against the darker elements of backstory and lore, just don't make sense.
its cuz some stuff has yet to be explained yet like paimon, paimon will eventually get explained mostlikely through archon quests but ti'll probably be awhile due to her big importance to the story I imagine. As for backstory and lore I cant expect them to all show that when its not what theyre focused on and more likely pushing the story forward with characters and world.
@@kingalex105x7 that's fair! I understand that. But I think a lot of what Paimon says, and her presence? vibes? whatever you wanna call it lol alter the tone of the story in a weird way. Then again, that's also within genre expectations, so I guess I can't really judge that part objectively. I personally have my doubts about most theories on Paimon, but I never really dwell on theories anyway so I don't have much to say on that.
@@maryshen1418 yea most people in the story write her off as a fairy, pet and junk which is I think a common thing they see like xiangling having a red panda thats not native, or Oz. Paimon is just something like em people think (I think albedo thinks something similar in his quest). I personally believe paimon is some sort of seelie as new info makes it feel more probable
@@kingalex105x7 I think that's a theory that could happen (I don't know that much about seelie lore, but Paimon's definitely a special creature of some kind). On that note though, Hoyo could do a better job about making the origin stories of Guoba or Albedo a *permanent* thing, because... that's pretty important xD
@@maryshen1418 its not important to the main story, more just important to the character like a fun fact tbh. I do wish Albedo's quest was permanent but in the end it just worked to expand on him & others but not much on something that wont be explained later in the main story.
Now that you mention animations half way to the end, Klee used to had a unique walking animation during the beta, and even Rosaria had a unique animation when she draws out her Polearm when selecting "Weapons" in the character menu, Hoyoverse just doesn't likes something that's "Unique"
Pretty sure they got rid of Klee’s animation because people thought it was problematic? Idk how true it was. (People said it was too sexual?) but that’s just rumours I heard.
My one issue with Genshin Impact is that despite Teyvat being an entire world, all of the nations seem sectioned off, and the archons and lesser divinities don't interact with each other. The most we got was Venti who healed Xiao's Karmic debt. I'm our real world, nations are intentionally or unintentionally effecting each other all the time. Like a trash island forming in the Pacific, the gulf of Mexico's oil spill, the trans Atlantic slave trade, the spreading of religion all across the world. People in Liyue don't talk about the Anemo Archon, people in Inazuma don't talk about the Geo archon or his Yaksha. In a world where Gods exist and there was a literal war of gods over territory disputes, we don't see the subtle impulses and effects on each other that truly make Teyvat seem like a living world. How cool would it be if some of the mountain tops Barbatos terraformed became islands in Inazuma? Or if Rukkedhevata helped Makoto and Isteroth create the Thunder Sakura tree? One TH-camr, I think Ashikai made a theory that Xiao is originally from Sumeru, that would be cool to explore.
This, inazuma locked down and trapped foreign citizen and somehow the other country including their own archon didnt make an effort to evacuate the people the only one that do everything is the genshin russian empire
A good example of your idea is the story about Morax's iconic osmanthis wine line, which is talking about how Morax used to invite the original archons to Liyue to ( i think?) drink wine and just have a good time and now Zhongli is reminiscing about those times and how every og archon is gone (besides venti)
I do think that the Sumeru Archon quest rectifies things *just* a little bit. For example, we've only gotten the first two parts and it did a good job talking about the role of the Dendro archon in the region along with actually bringing up Collei's past (although in passing).
I agree when it comes to the archon quest. At least for now. If you recall I gave a positive reception when it came to the first half of Inazuma. It wasn't until the second half where I became disappointed by the story. I'm really hoping the second half of Sumeru lives up to the hype. And when you say they brought up Collei's past; are you referring to when her past was told to us and not shown? That particular part is still one of the biggest issues in this game.
@@greenlineessays Collei's story was told to us by Tighnari, who doesn't really know how Collei looked like whe she was young or Dottore or the Fatui who experimented on her, so it's natural that it was not shown to us. Shenhe's story was actually shown to us because the storyteller Yunjin finds out about the God she was sacrificed to and who saved her, she knows about them. Genshin may not have proper execution of their story sometimes but this was logical.
@@aniketgupta8988 To be fair, they didn't explain what happened in mondstat with the fatui attack, but this is just 3.0, so maybe we will see it later.
The biggest gripe I have with this game's story is plot relevance. Genshin does not try to justify anything that happens at all. You, the player, are expected to just go along with it and care about characters you have no reason to care about(as cool as they are I have no reason to get emotionally invested in these characters the writers won't justify it). It's the most egregious kind of railroading, where the writer is more concerned with distracting you with all their cool characters and settings rather than telling a cohesive story. The long drawn out dialogue(seriously a lot of what these characters say can be summarized we don't need a whole essay of dialogue to understand what's going on), the shoehorned characters, useless exposition--it all screams "I am trying to waste your time".
Yet another problem that stems from Genshin being a gacha game. Playable characters are written in a way to encourage players to pull for them, and nothing more. Any character that isn't playable is of course already in the trash bin. I find it really funny how the majority of female characters just end up in the "moe" trope, including but not limited to A GODDESS
Well I think the reason they expect you to care about characters is their gameplay/ voicelines... I remember back in the day people were, actually, very excited about characters. I personally loved Beido because of her voicelines and cool ult, same with my main, Razor (yeah I used Jp dub lol). Like how everyone likes Hu-Tao for the megumin VA and that one idle animation of her holding the ghost (shit's só fking cute) Also part of the reason everyone went bonkers over Dehya being bad. Problem is that it just doesn't quite cut it enough, especially with how many characters are out there now. Also it always felt like we were just waiting for "our character's" moment to shine in the story, but then we see they'll just keep adding and focusing on new ones. I've stopped playing this game for about two years now, only occasionally loging back to check it... And it's pretty sad actually, I used to care about the OG characters but never got anything from that
Kaeya is an important character because he is from khaenriah BUT EVEN SO IT IS NEVER MENTIONED OR EXPLORED IN THE STORY?? Its like they forgot about it
My bet is that they don't want to give away to finale too early. Characters like Albedo and Kaeya had their stories teased because I think we'll be returning to Mondstadt once the final chapter rolls around
Maybe they gonna set up a story where characters surprised that he's khaenriah or maybe the writer decide for "oh i'm born from there but i never grew up there so i have no memories of it, sorry cant help!"
I think the fundamental issue, which also affects it’s gameplay loop, is that Genshin is a game with hundreds of hours of content but tries to make you stay around for thousands. And they’re not gonna use up all the good stuff in the beginning only to then drag it’s corpse for another 10 years, so instead it’s spread out for it’s entire lifetime while they pad it out with filler to make it last. It’s somewhat a consequence of it’s gacha model, where their long-term income is dependent on how long they can keep the boat afloat. In fact, I think most of the game’s major flaws are a result of the gacha in one way or another. I do believe though that they are intending to make use of the lore for future quests. We’ve started seeing that being the case with certain quests like the Tsurumi Island one. Ultimately, they simply want the story to go on for like a decade so they can keep business going. And putting out new meaningful content every 6 weeks isn’t particularly easy, so inevitably they end up cutting corners in a lot of areas even if that doesn’t respect the players time very much.
Clever thought, I also noticed it Genshin has an awful game design, where instead of making few hours of costant good content, does crumbles of good content inside hours of trash. It helps to keep the hype high, and the game alive. Kinda reminds me of Ubisoft lol. Fuck live service games, that's why I prefer games with a proper ending. However, I love how gacha systems work: patiently grinding to then pull all in one go is hella satisfying, but everything that revolves around gacha is terrible, microtransactions and bad content... Would have gladly preferred if Genshin was a paid game with around 60 costant good hours... but a business model like this doesn't last in China :/
They can mitigate the dmg a bit though if they even bothered to try. Yes the gatcha pretty much screwed them in terms of story but it was and still is salvageable. Talk to any number of the fans and they can give you some nice ideas for the story. Simply put Hoyoverse doesnt know or just refuses to make any meaningful changes to the story and lore. I mean they dont even give the Traveler a personality or voice lines during the main quest, how lazy and bad can you be to make the mc as boring as they are.
@@FireClare The traveler has a personality. I agree that its delivery is lackluster, but even in the main story you can see that they are not a blank slate. If you actually listen to the voiceovers it becomes pretty obvious.
Raiden did a homicide, Start a war in Inazuma, Literally take people will to live and Ei turn a blind eye to it and Yet no one bother to hold her accountable. Same thing with Childe the guy almost did a homicide by wiping out the city, Attacked the jade palace with his troop, Try to kill us and Yet some how we are friend with him I hate to say this but Signora tragic backstory deserved to be show more than this, They just did her dirty.
And that really does say something about the writing doesn't it? Normally in a story you'd see consequences of people's actions. Basic cause-and-effect. You would think that during that Inazuma event that Childe might've even been wanted by the government. Specifically I'm talking about the labyrinth event with Xinyan. And you would think that Raiden might have to go into hiding and retire given the events of the Archon quest. But nothing ever feels like it moves naturally from one plot point to the next. Remember Rukkhadevata? They had to write in the story that people would forget about her. Why? That sounds like multiple quests worth of story that they could tap into. But they couldn't be bothered because we just need to get to the next region. Nahida's trauma? Who cares? The fact that this might lead to a possible civil war? Not interesting enough. The fact that this would take us multiple months and story progression that could have been the majority of 2023 is actually astounding. It's astounding because the writers completely squandered it, or perhaps I should say the executive team. Genshin could have a compelling story, but refuses to tell it.
The same with ZhongLi. If I remember correctly, he admitted directly to us that he agreed to the potential deaths of a whole city _(*his* people in _*_his_*_ land that revere _*_him_*_ so much)_ by making that deal with Signora...because he was indecisive about retiring. I don't get why the MC isn't iffy around him after that, at the very least MC expresses wariness around Childe occasionally.
@@FruitCapoeira And Yet somehow we are friend with Zhongli the guy who got us into trouble by faking his death and abandoned his duty. I mean the first impression i got from the god of contracts is him broke the contract and tricked his people.
Same thing with scaramouche, did bad things, tried to kill us, insult us, poisoned us and many other things. Then he decides to erase himself from history and I thought it was interesting to see what he was like in his "innocent" past form and how we were going to deal with that. But no, his memories were brought back and he's now the same asshole that he was in his past version (oh i forgot, in past """reincarnation""") it looks like mihoyo did the same thing they made with Raiden and Ei. Explaining better, its more like: "look guys raiden is the bad one not the ei!!! cuz she's the silly uwu god waifu!!!" and this happened with scaramouche, it's just kind of shit cuz wanderer (someone who should represent scaramouche's reincarnation) has scaramouche's memories, as if it's a bad thing to erase someone who literally tried to kill you, even tho I'm a fan of wanderer I still hate his rude personality and also seeing that personality itself being portrayed as "tsundere behavior" just pisses me off. All these things makes it seem like just a shit move to make the character playable without him being the villain, because "villains are bad >:((((" and without removing the "essence" of the character even though is literally what i said before...THE WANDERER IS THE FRICKIN' REINCARNATION OF SCARAMOUCHE!!! (ie: Scaramouche ≠ Wanderer)...jeez they practically don't even care about the game's lore these days, they just want a way to get your money.
Remember when Kazuha finally got a story quest and people actually thought we would get backstory? Yeah. The fact we got more backstory to a character in a LIMITED EVENT is so sad and tbh very frustrating, imagine new players coming to the game in version 4.5 and having to 1) play through all the regions and not being able to level characters and 2) having no clue about important story parts
we already had his backstory though, what else is left to tell? most of the characters that were prominent in the main quest already had their moment so their story quest is just hanging out with them, which is what they were probably going for anyways
To me, Kazuha came to Guyun, explained about his friend who died and went away. Returned as backup sent by Ayato and went away, never to be seen again. I started in 4.0.
@@leen1705 Deadass, the game explained his background about his family falling into ruin like 4 times, at least 2 of those times being via LTEs (Irodori Festival and Golden Apple Archipelago 2022 to be specific). Pretty much every time it was explained it introduced a new detail a la "Oh, did you know this also happened? That's _crazy,_ right?"
If I’m being honest, I think the main problem with its story is that it feels like we’re playing two different storylines one about finding our sister and one about helping the nations it doesn’t feel like we learn anything new when we actually get information about the abyss if anything, it just leaves us with more questions and sometimes they don’t even try to justify the actions of characters who where are enemies at some point, for example ei she put her nation in constant torture, and fear all for the title of eternity only to find out that it’s either meaningless, or there are different parts of it and scara even though he redeemed himself as the wanderer it’s still feels like he should be held accountable for his actions he actually slaughter people
Y.E.S. The main story (wandering the 7 nations to find your sibling) screeches to a halt whenever dainsleif appears on screen with his quests that are barely consequential to the rest of the plot. And it doesn't just ruin the flow of the story, but its very purpose. YOU FOUND YOUR SIBLING. HE'S THERE, TALK TO HIM. Why do I care about the next 4 nations if my supposed objective is guaranteed to be in neither of them? ------------- Also, F those "redemption arcs" * "Yes, I tried to kill thousands, but I was just following orders. Also, did you know I have a little brother?" * "I was just being tricked uwu" * "Wdym I didn't even have a redemtpion arc, I deleted myself from existence to absolutely no consequence!" Just... just let me play an evil character. Childe is a psychopath, I don't care about his brother, he didn't get redemption points for that, just don't even try and give me an interesting story to him. Raiden is a dumbass and a tyrant; make the rest of her story her redeeming arc, don't make up excuses. A date? Really? Same with wanderer. Make him, you know... wander. Like, with us. Travel across the world and learn that humans aren't all traitors and backstabbers, and that he can still find joy in life despite his best attempts at being a massive knob.
@@MrMe917 YESSS even though I ei and wanderer The storytelling with inazuma, was just straight up horrendous is the plot didn’t really make any sense and the pacing was not it at all I guess you could argue that the shogun puppet was the main reason inazuma was suffering since ei was just meditating in her own consciousness, but if anything that just makes it worse, I mean, she kind of neglected her duties as being the Archon of inazuma and left it to a robotic killer it is nice to see that she’s becoming a better archon currently but she should still properly apologize to her people as for wanderer he’s just a straight dumb ass for real tge first two betrayals were understandable, because his own mother neglected him, and his own friend died because of the fatui but to hate humanity, just because a child was sick and died was honestly just straight up idiotic. How was he supposed to fight that illness off? how was he supposed to survive without any proper care? I’m telling you if there’s one thing that he inherited from ei is that they don’t think clearly Fr and I want to talk about the story now that were in Fontaine. It feels like it’s connecting all together now with Sumeru when we did the dain quest in 3.5 it felt like it was actually part of the main plot of our journey so the game is improving on it storytelling it’s just on terms of character development not doing a necessary. Good job to me I feel like evil or psychotic characters can only be playable if they have a proper redemption arc im just happy Furina isn’t a Archon who’s making life horrible for her people when I mean by that is that she’s not overly opposing them or sentencing them to death The people in Fontaine seem to really have faith in her it’s just her main problem is that she doesn’t know how to properly handle the nation like she’s supposed to so maybe later on in the story, she’ll learn how to do things like that now I want to talk about future redemption arc’s specifically the tsaritsa now it doesn’t really seem like she has done anything bad in fact, I’m pretty sure she’s just in snezhnaya letting the other harbengers do there thing so I feel like she’ll have a proper redemption arc BUT the fact that she’s letting psychotic serial killers with their own motives into other nations causing trouble is honestly just disrespectful to the other archons she really doesn’t have the right to tell murderers to steal take or cause havoc upon the seven nations if I’m gonna be honest if all of the seven Archons ever meet in one place in the archon quest I feel like ei furina and murata wouldn’t exactly at kindly or want anything to do with the tsaritsa with venti zhongli and nahida they two of them knew her before the cataklysm and most likely agree on her opinion of Celestia, just not on her ways of doing so and nahida will probably act kindly to the tsaritsa but will still be cautious. That’s all I have to say.
I found the story to be a complete dumpster fire since day 1. The story seemed far too focused on telling, not showing, and backstory over actual development. It also had the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Sad to see that never changed.
I remember in Mona’s lines she says “In his destiny Kaeya will lose someone important to him and he will have to change” or something, and now I look back on that and laugh. He won’t lose anything, he’ll never even be in a plain plot cutscene again. A few friends of mine tried to convince me the story was good. Even in 2021, I thought it was so dull…
Honestly I think people just saw it with a rose-tinted glasses back then; Genshin was at the peak of when people had nothing to do, when most people have barely played a heavily open-world game, and when the idea of it being free alongside it was unheard of.
Paimon: 1. She trivializes absolutely everything she comes across. Dialogues that may otherwise be interesting, if for no other reason than because they at least *concern* important events, are rendered completely unbearable because this floating screechy fairy has to rehearse EVERYTHING we just heard in the most infantile anti-humoristic way imaginable. Genshin's storytelling would be about 40% better if they JUST removed Paimon from the game completely. 2. What exactly is the point of a silent protagonist, if you're going to have Paimon just talk *instead* of you? Normally, a silent protagonist is there because the developers want you to project your own opinions and choices onto the character you're playing. This is completely moot in Genshin because you don't really have a choice in how you want to express yourself, you're just silently selecting Aether's / Lumine's lines. So instead of just having Zach and Sarah actually do their jobs, you have this... thing do all the talking for you; which leads me to the 3rd point. 3. Not only are we not able to actually take advantage of the silent protagonist, nor do we actually get to feel like Aether / Lumine are real people, Paimon is essentially *forcing* you to have her opinion. The Traveler just acquiesces to whatever Paimon is saying and the entire game bends to whatever Paimon decides for you. So you're sitting there watching the entire game unfold and all the characters relate to you according to how Paimon (mis)represents you because that's totally our shared opinion haha, right Traveller? *Blows your eardrums out from the screeching* Paimon isn't just bad, her concept is honestly completely insulting. Hoyo is literally treating you like a baby.
I was treated like a dumb kid in Genshin compared to Honkai star rail and other games. I have other reasons why I stop playing Genshin but how they deliver on the story is one of them.
I still think that this Game would be more succesfull and respected if the didn't imoronted that fking awful character arround every dialogue, i agree about it, theres nothing redeemable in paymon, the design it's ugly and weird (it looks like it has diapers or something) the voice it's gratting on any dub, and the dialogues and personality are infuriating, i would like to knlw who came with tbe idea and design for such awful character, the only logic reason its it was an employed tjat hated working for mihoyo and wanted to punish then creating the worst character companion i can remember in videogames
What's worse is that they have her speak for us even when the quest isn't even voiced. I could understand having Paimon speak for us in voiced quests because paying two voice actors to say the sameish lines is a lot. They're a million dollar corporation and can totally afford to do that but I could at least understand it.
Okay so.. first thing, Paimon can be annoying and yes the game is forcing you to agree with her BUTTTTT Aether and Lumine are not your normal Silent Protagnists. You think there is a choice in their dialogue but there really isn’t. They have their own personalities and such. Most of the dialogue you THINK to get to choose is really just a pieces of a sentence the traveler said. The Traveler has their own feelings. You can’t project your feelings onto the Traveler because the Traveler IS it’s own character! Just how the other characters in the game are their own characters. The game is basically saying, you’re not part of this story. You are simply spectating Traveler’s journey.
@RyouYamadakin Yeah, that's cool. It's too bad we never really get to know the travellers' opinions or prospects on things because Paimon does all the talking.
Genshin's biggest problem is that they're trying to be everything at once. A gacha game, an open world game, a fantasy with joyful tropes game, a dark game about war and psychological stuff, a character driven game, LIKE PICK A FEW !!!! There's so much content you're overwhelmed so except if you're really passionate you won't even bother to explore everything in depth and you'll miss out genuinly interesting things because of the overload of information
It doesn't help that a lot of the information the game tries to give you is the same exact information it already gave you like not even 2 minutes ago half the time. Sometimes not even a sentence away, spoken by a different person. Usually in a voice so annoying you want to punt the person saying it back into the fucking ocean. Not naming any specific character of course.
@@Technature7567 omg this...or the fact that a shit ton of lore and world exploration goes through npcs you don't give 2 shits about. We should have more lore related characters !!
I feel like stuff like that can be executed. FGO is a Gacha game that Has a very good story (once it picks up), which can go dark, but also can have moments of fun (especially in the events). The only thing different is that FGO is more so a Visual Novel with turn-based combat sections.
@@ouroboros6738 ty and yes i agree !! Genshin suffers from so many issues when it could be one of the best games out there if only it focused on some things. Though at the core of it all, a lot of problems originate from the fact they want to make money and make people spend as much time as possible on the game. The constant character releases despite them not bringing anything to the narrative, the farming system, the character designs of female characters especially, the length of world quests, the lore important TIME LIMITED events....all of this is so you log in everyday and spend money, if you can
Another problem I would like to add with the traveler is that the game tried to treat the traveler as the silent protagonist. Now this would be fine as great silent protagonist like Link exist. Except there's one problem: It has been established since the BEGINNING OF THE GAME that the traveler could talk. HOW CAN YOU HAVE A SILENT PROTAGONIST IF THE PROTAGONIST IS ESTABLISHED TO BE ABLE TO TALK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. But yeah as someone who used to play Genshin I'll just say it Genshin's storytelling is just a mess. Liyue definitely has the best story though.
The worst part is that it is not just eshtablished, you are talking. Like when you choose the from the two "different" optuons you are talk. And I disagree, Liyue quest is increadibly infurating as thematicly is a mess.
I never really liked silent protagonists for the most part, to be honest. There are exceptions like Isaac Clarke from Dead Space 1 and The Doomslayer who already tells you everything you need to know through his actions and gestures alone (I have never played The Legend of Zelda, so can't have an opinion of Link), but for the most part? Yeah, silent protags in non RPG games just feel dull. Which makes Genshin's "feat" of failure with its silent protag even more impressive because it has role playing elements. That's what happens when you try to "hybrid" Role Playing capacity with giving the videogame's Main Character a defined personality or identity. It just does NOT mesh well and Fallout 4 is right there for proof of it. Honestly, they should've just followed the Honkai Impact 3rd route and just have a well established cast of characters or protagonists who do not serve to get detracted by a walking void blanket.
@@mekingtiger9095 Eh, Dead Space Remake showed that Isaac being able to talk actually improves the game's story a _lot_ since it gives his character more agency. Half the objectives in the game got changed from other people ordering Isaac around to Isaac himself figuring out what to do. Which works because he's an engineer, figuring it out is basically his area of expertise
@@DreamyAileen Thats becuase the concept of Dead Space went from Horror to Action shooter during the remake process, contrast this with the System Shock remaster and you see what I mean. Silent protagonists can work but you need a dedicated writing team with people who actually care, writing the story and the characters. The Remake team were tasked with doing their jobs, and they did. The money speaks for itself.
listen, I hate it too- it's really annoying- most people say it's because traveler never managed to actually learn Teyvat's language (i'll be honest just read traveler's "about languages" dialogue and you'll find that Paimon already taught them-) but with other contradictions im not sure if that's the case.
An important note also is that "backstory" is not the same as "storytelling". Good storytelling is when the backstories of the characters influence the action and consequences of their actions throughout the story, as well as how each characters actions influences each other. Imagine if Game of Thrones had every character doing their own thing and they rarely talk to each other. That's Genhin's story. You're in one bubble then moving on to the next, and each individual events doesn't seem to work towards any collective whole. But ultimately, we really can't forget that this is a gacha game made by people who only make gacha games, and the story is just a means to sell banners. Much like League of Legends or Overwatch.
@@gavinattalahadiyan325 I think when it is the smaller quest Genshin have some nice, not to colicated storise. Like in Inazuma the Sakura Treee Purfication quest, or the Human Sacroficing villige, or the Namless Smurai. For me this quest were the best, ebcause they are simple but effective and they building the world. + They are allowed to be tragic or sad.
The worst part about the Traveler not talking during the quests, is the fact that they HAVE those lines VOICED when you replay the audio from the quest.
The ‘limited time event lore drops’ is honestly such a big problem. As most of the characters development comes from those limited events, it doesn’t give them the chance for them to develop properly. I think fischl and monas friendship is BIG proof of that. The fact they were acting so cute together (in a sibling way) in summer fantasia (getting concerned for each other, being playful etc) but in the current Mond event 1. New players could be confused because their friendship was only covered in LIMITED EVENTS and 2. They act like summer fantasia never happened. Which the devs are probably trying not to talk about things that happened in past events, but its really inconsistent. I really hope they improve in the future because the stories were becoming so unbearable (with the small exception of the sumeru archon quests, but it’s still a small step up). That’s just my opinion though
Imagine having a setup for a great character lore and leave it in the “story” section via text (that you can only unlock by reaching friendship levels aka play the character for weeks and weeks) and do NOTHING with it in the main quest, story quests or even quests. Am I right, Chongyun? A boy with an overwhelming amount of the Yang energy (the energy of the dragon in the Chinese mythology and oh what a coincidence that Chongyun has dragon eyes, pff surely it can’t be implying anything about this guy) and who belongs to the clan of goddamn exorcists who’s been fighting demons alongside Xiao for centuries. Maybe wanna give attention to them? You know, there are a lot of demons in Liyue, could’ve explored a lot about Genshin’s lore. Eyy, remember his aunt? His aunt, Shenhe. The aunt he met in her trailer. What? You didn’t know they are relatives because Shenhe never met her nephew in the game? They didn’t even MENTION each other in any quest? Oh how unfortunate, guess we can’t let them meet, because Chongyun is too busy being a yasmen to Xingqiu’s bullshlt. It’s so important for him to just… stand here with Xingqiu, rarely opening his mouth. Pff this stuff is more important than the conclusion to Shenhe's arc of belonging to human world. Surely her kind and pure relative couldn’t have supported her through her journey of finding her place. This is ALSO more important than exploring Chongyun’s and Xiao's relationship and for Chongyun to finally prove himself to the person he admires and finally let him exorcise an evil spirit making his life’s dream come true. Naaah, clearly not gonna do any of that bullshlt. Let’s rerun Jean’s story quest for 100th time by giving it to Keqing after Ganyu, Kokomi, Noelle and whoever else just had the same story not long ago, that’s where the REAL development at, right? What you didn’t want to see Keqing being overworked once? How about seeing it TWICE?! Or okay, you might say that Chongyun is a 4-star, he is not supposed to get that much attention (yeah sure, Xiangling being a star to most Liyue events but okay) let’s have a look at Ayato. You know. The head of the Kamisato clan! You remember him, right? Ayaka’s older brother! Yeah, what about him? What role did he play in the archon quest? Can’t wait to see this dude pulling strings to help us get closer to the Sho-… oh wait. What do you mean he doesn’t appear in the quest at all? Where the hell is he?! The Sakoku decree is still up, where the hell did he go?! Why isn’t he there when his sister needs him? A daughter of the Kamisato family who is supposed to play a big role in the archon quest but she doesn’t do anything aside from sitting on her butt and worrying. Do you like that for your favorite characters? Five star characters no less. We have incomplete characters that are intriguing on paper but they never had enough attention or hoyoverse were wasting their screen time to drag the story and not to explore characters. Because why would we flesh out characters that have long-going stories and rich lore when we can drag already finished characters to the point they start getting annoying. Right, Kazuha? Am I right? The dude who was the best written Inazuma character, actually important to the plot, actually completed his arc and became fan favorite? Well why don’t we listen to the story of the Kaedehara clan for three times straight. Why don’t we dedicate this character’s story quest to a fcking sword? We sure couldn’t find a better way to spend our time am I fcking right?! I agree with everything you mentioned. Every point hits like a bullet. Too bad we will never be heard. Hoyoverse have too much money to care.
broo you are a god, one of the things that annoys me the most in genshin is that they managed to make an EXORCIST DRAGON BOY boring, which honestly is beyond insane imo
THIS. Many interesting characters arent given attention or fleshed out at ALL. It feels just ...lazy as hell😭 there's so many amazing lore-based theories that are just never gonna be explored. To this day there is people who dont know how Scaramouche was created (yknow, a character that's been so hyped for so long??) Because it's an artifact story. Even seen ppl who dont know where Kaeya is from, etc. Same with so many characters and potentially important plot details that are just not explored as they should be. Rlly just makes the characters feel shallow unless you put actual effort into reading all their lore from external sources, cuz OFC the story isn't gonna tell you shit.
ayato is such a waste because he sounds so intriguing, he plays the comissioner role so well and could’ve been a really key player on the archon quest and yet they barely even CITE him what does he get? a random ass quest about a WEDDING that ISNT HIS to begin with, he does literally NOTHING important, his whole existence has no effect
@TooSoon 123 I still can't believe that people were so hyped for Ayato and now people mostly just fill him with headcanons because he is that wasted and bland in the game that nobody cares for canon Ayato. You'll only see fanon in the media. It's such a massive disappointment.
Genshin is a fucking treasure trove of potential that’s all kinda wasted. A mid game with a few really good bits. When the Genshin anime comes out I hope it’s kinda like arcane where it’s not a direct adaptation, but instead focuses on a few characters and tells a new interesting story.
Thank God. I thought I was insane when I realized how tedious and boring the storytelling is, when apparently everybody loved it. Are people just used to the bare minimum or what.
The ONLY reason i know about a FEW lore bits like jean and barbara being sisters and diluc and kaeya being stepbrothers are videos like this. This game feels like an anime that cut out so much of the manga to the point that theres whole characters gone
I wish genshin was like honkai where the characters feel alive, important, have personality and make me actually care. I'm sad of the lost potential for many characters especially kokomi and ayato I was so excited to see them move around. Characters are super important in a story, it's what makes honkai story so great. Even the villains the community has some respect for them, that's the impact they've made. Seeing sumeru story pass I have some hope of it becoming better.
umm Honkai is more focused to the story between Character,and Genshin focussing to the Story of The World,so it's different fundamental. If you love World Build aspect in the Story just like me, Genshin is a great story to read,but if you love the emotional than Honkai is better
@@sayyidash-habussunan here's the thing the world is definitely unique but I'm having a hard time even caring for the world when many of the characters feel flat. Characters are always important in the story, in every story told that includes genshin story. Characters is what makes the world be alive. I think the biggest improvement they can do is to make sure characters especially one that are meant to be important in the world actually feel like they matter in this world, giving them highlights and roles that show of their impact. The world shouldn't be the only one driving the narrative some characters should also have a hand on doing so like archons.. with sumeru I see a big improvement and I hope to see it improve more
@@sayyidash-habussunan not true, I get more world building from honkai compare to genshin BY FAR, relative to its release schedule. honkai just have characters and story on top of that.
Genshin is one of the games that have amazing lore and mediocare story. It feels bad that the most important characters and events take place in artifact and gatcha weapons descriptions.
@@tinienteabanil2922 yall are wanting end game lore or lore that has yet to be relevant, one example is like we knew irminsul existed for over a year and now it only gets touched on in sumeru gonna be longer for other things
Worst part is that not only are they dragging the story out so that they can make more games out of genshin, it's being treated like a prototype as well. Like all the money we spend and all the complaints we have all goes to honkai star rail. It's like honkai impact 3 is the oldest, genshin is the middle child, and honkai star rail is the youngest. Da Wei is treating his games like how asian parents treat their children
@@dresadan1387the finalé to hi3rd part 1 was terrible. Judging by the trailers for part 2, they're just gonna go with the shitty genshin formula for storytelling.
I feel like a large problem in Genehin's story is definitely the gacha system. The gacha system has to make new characters for people to wish on and because of this random characters that should have (and would have) been important to the story are introduced AFTER major plot events. Where in the fuck was Heizou? He should have helped the traveler or done what he could to stop them yet he was introduced and given a random story quest. Itto? Why wasn't he apart of the rebellion? Literally a gang leader why the heck didn't he fight with the resistance especially knowing that he and Gorou know each other. Where was Ayato? Where was Kuki? Why wasn't Yelan involved during the Rex Lapis death case? Shenhe? Where was she? Where was Eula during the Dvalin quest? So many inconveniences with the story and the characters and that's a major problem in Genshin's storytelling altogether. The characters may have an amazing bacstory but a good backstory doesn't equal good story telling. I feel like that's a problem in gacha games compared to completed games.
Its not fully that its a gacha game, its because of the WAY the release their story chapters, it takes a time to make content and assets, and we get parts of the story in little chunks instead of the whole, cohesive story in one go, and as such, some characters only get finished in the middle of the development cycle. As another gacha game that does heavy story chapters, look at FGO, releasing bundles of characters and taking 4-6 months between major story chapters.
Massively agree with this, and one thing i really want is for playable characters to be in regions outside of the story, because rn they just completely disappear after the story Like imagine seeing venti roaming the streets of mondstadt or zhongli listening to morax's stories It would make the game so much more alive
out of all the characters you mentioned, only really 3 of them were somewhat explained. ayato was supposedly hiding in the kamisato estate, helping (sort of) manipulate the traveler to help them using ayaka. rather than doing things himself, he got thoma, ayaka, yoimiya, sayu, and the traveler to do things for him. secondly, heizou is a member of the tenryou commission. from what you can tell from his character, while he doesn’t exactly like kujou sara, she’s still his boss, so he does most things he tells her to. heizou was someone who was enforcing the vision hunt decree, assumably. thirdly, itto. this motherfugger. basically what i understand happened to him is that kujou sara yoinked his vision so he started wallowing and harassing the tenryou commission to give it back.
With the recent Diluc skin event I got the impression that we as a player were supposed to be aware of Dilucs backstory. Like how his dad died and stuff? I don't know if I remember us ever being told that information. I was reading his character story but if you don't have Diluc you don't have acces to that information.
@@greenlineessays THEY JUST ASSUME WE KNOW EVERYTHING 😭 ik the lore bc I'm a Kaeya main but I'm still so surprised they never bothered to tell us anything? Like...isn't it important that a character was (or still is) a spy from another place? And how another ones dad died bc of it? Especially if they're planning to put this into events like damn at least give us a resume of the story..
The biggest weakness of Genshin Impact is that they keep making parts of stories where they try to put characters in serious danger of injury or death… But everyone knows they’ll be absolutely fine because they’re playable characters. “Oh no! Are they gonna die?” Nah. They have a banner currently running. “She could lose her arm! This is bad!” Sorry. Her design has already been confirmed. Nothing’s gonna change about it.
Well they "killed" off a Playable Character in Honkai star rail in the worst way Possible. Even the Playable Characters are confused and unsure if she's even dead. Literally in Limbo and a New Mystery box to hook the audience deeper.
Probably because if they kill off a playable character then that means no more future content for said character = less incentives to spend money for them
the story of Aether and Lumine is why I (used to) play. The game doesn't care, the game doesn't want you to care, but I do. 'We will be reunited' was the pinnacle of my interest in genshins story, and that was practically the only thing in relation to the travelers throughout the what, now 4 years of the story's run?
I was so hyped back then because my theory that the travelers arent the good ones to me was proven (i play as Aether and people in fanarts portray them as sooo loving and caring and nice , yet he was willing to IMMIDIATELY leave with the twin teyvat, not including paimon(Means the whole friendship with paimon is just fake, if you noticed also in sumeru and fontaine each time paimon talks about their future plans together traveler replies with "...") and all hangout, friendships with other characters or fate of teyvat has no meaning, since the twins tried to leave at start of game when teyvat turned to chaos and destruction like "oh shit I'm out ", and now they immmidately wanted to go to find "a new home", also leaving teyvat behind, not caring. we dont know anything of the twins. they said they pointed at random stars /planets to travel ut why did they leave then? maybe THEY were the cause of chaos in each world and when it was the peak of destruction they simply left to the next. I had hopes that aether in my case would then become more "evil" not being nice to everyone, regaining the power like said in start of game, with us with each element becoming stronger kits, their interaction often then being selfish and distanced from the twin and we develop a strong own lore....yet...we got nothing.... worst thing is we still behave like a toddler to our sibling. they are teenagers, they aren't 4. , pardon, teenager body but probably ancient gods. that both twins cling so bad to each other for 3 years is just unrealistic and adds to the unrealistic sibling/writing (only more realistic ones are diluc and kaeya even tho they are no real siblings). I started to play for the traveler. meanwhile he is just a puppet in a game of fanservice flirty otome shipping things hoyo tries to bait the people with, or the gary stu (lumine =mary sue) who wins each tournament, is always best, is the only one that makes friends with characters , only one can help whole nations....)
@@glasperle77 OMG- I love that theory!! man it would've been so cool if aether (I play as him too) became more cold the more power he gained- but exactly as you said, i hate what the traveler has become. The traveler has just become a self insert sort of character for all the ships :/ the original hook is barely seen with all of this content in game at this point
finding our siblinng- the main story that gets treated like a side story helping the next god deal with problems we probably dont need to be there to resolve- side quest that gets treated like the main story this was fun the first few times but now im just curious about the abyss and our sibling i do not NEED TO KNOW WHAT PROBLEMS THE ARCHONS ARE FACING
@@eddiem5713 exactly! plus the archon quests have just been getting longer and longer there's so much content but there's nothing related to the original story
Genshin has too much dialogue, but too little story telling, most of the time the characters talk too much about something that's useless to the lore to the point that it gets boring to to missions There are things that could be explained in 2 dialogue boxes, but they use 10
If I remember correctly, in one of the game's quests, Rosaria points out some of Paimon's... Peculiarities, and seemingly unnatural abilities, such as just... popping out of existence. In one of the early quests Lisa also tries asking if Paimon can help with puzzles using her ability to fly, to skip things, which gets brushed over very quickly.
alsao albedo also asked at some point if paimon was an extension of us (like an external organ), and a melusine said paimon was like a balloon but the string extends up into the sky.. ive been thinking anything related to paimon is endgame story stuff so it makes no sense to expand on it now when that isnt one of the player's priorities OR one of the traveler's
Honestly, the story has gotten MUUUUCCCCHHHH better ever since chasm. The dainsleif quest was nice, since we interacted with a character that we know and has a backstory, The NPC is actually shown to die (Halfdan) and despite the being very dialogue heavy, it for some reason did not feel like a chore to read through. 2.7 was an upgrade, We got probably the best characterised character (Itto), and Yelan was pretty good, but the rest were just decent at best. But the main thing is, there was actual tension between these characters, for example, yelan vs itto, or yelan vs xiao. We also are SHOWN the backstory of Xiao, and the 5 yaksha's, and xiao 'sacrificing' himself was genuinely a sad moment (Only to be ruined by zhongli). No NPC to talk to, lesser paimon, and a lot of the story was shown, not told. 2.8, I kinda already forgot what happened, but I remember that fischl and kazuha's domains were amazing, Mona's would have been great if the puzzles weren't annoying, and I already forgot what happened in xinyan's domain. highlight for me was actually kazuha's domain, as the story was told in a more interesting way for me. But it was a downgrade from 2.7 for me. 3.0, The best patch in genshin's history in my opinion. Absolutely astounding story, we actually hear the traveller speak for like 6 fucking times, There was actual tension and almost a feeling of helplessness, and it felt like we would have come to the same decisions as the traveller did in the story quest. The first part did pretty ok, introduced us to two major ports and also hinted towards the growing dispute btw the desert dwellers and the people from the city. It wasn't the best by any means, but the next quest....That was the best quest in my entire history of playing games (That doesn't say much cuz I play only f2p games, but still, it was fucking outstanding) Dunyazard was outstanding for a NPC, and the fact that her voice got weaker everyday kind of made you suspect what was going on. This quest actually kept me on the edge of my seat, and I actually cared for the NPC. and Kusanali, My fucking god is she a better archon (in terms of story telling) than literally everyone. She act's like an actual archon, like a person with responsibility over the people of their nation. Zhongli didn't give a fuck, venti just afked litereally every time and helped mondstat only cuz of stormterror and Raiden just casually takes away people's visions. These don't seem like the actions of people with responsibility. What kusanali did, made me feel that she was an archon, unlike the other three. The truth about the samsara was fucking amazing and was hinted at long before, and the traveller thinking on what the truth was felt real and actual. And it made me care for paimon. If a quest can do that, it automatically gets to be the best quest. What I think the major problem with Genshin's storytelling is not Paimon, or the limited time events (Those are bad, but I am considering this from a day 1 player perspective), but rather the game somewhat shifting between third POV follow and third POV omniscient. Sometimes, the traveller blurts out information that you had no clue about, and the characters talk to each other as though they have known each other for years. Keep in mind, the latter is how it should be, but not from a Third POV follow perspective. The shift in POV causes huge problems, since sometimes you know what the traveller doesn't know, and don't know what the traveller knows. This is the worst mistake to make in storytelling, never, and I mean NEVER shift your POV when writing a story, or if your shifting, shit it btw characters, not between follow and omniscient. I feel like this is getting better since 2.6, and know has reached a state where it isn't a major problem, but you cannot deny it, when the MC was talking about khaenriah, Most of us were probably like "Wtf is she talking about" The story has gotten really good, the lore is so fucking deep that I came within the first push, but the medium in which it is told is disanointing, but has gotten better recently, Nevertheless i'm REALLY excited for the anime, so that it can do the lore and story justice.
2.7 wasn't an upgrade. Itto did absolutely nothing but clowned half of quest. Itto was just there for the sake of rerun banner. The devs knew Itto was useless there so they had to made him collapsed half way because they did not know how to corporated him to the story any further. And Kuki was there to cooked roast lavender melon LMFAO. . And Itto being the "the best characterised character" is total arbitrary non sense. Typical clown character, with kind personality. But his character does fit for 12 yo audience, so that make sense. And Halfdan.... 30 seconds of screentime, died 3 minutes later. Nobody cares about Halfdan. 3.0 was a slight improvement 5.5/10. But I can't really called it an improvement if it was just a fluke. And They chickened out by bringing Dunyarzad back to life after they showed her ghost in the dream. Smh.
@@saddany3254 honestly if they let dunyarzard die , it wouldve made the story much better. Not that i hate dunyarzard but it will make the story more emotional Also if itto wasnt a crackhead in 2.7 and doesnt want to argue with Yelan , we wont even have the story to begin with so yes he does play a big role in the event. Also Itto is there because of Kuki. So id say everyone has a role in the event story
So I think the story has improved...a little. The problem is we've been given HOT garbage for the story and now that they have made the smallest of improvements it comes across as great progress; when in actuality barely any progress has been made. Although improvements are improvements. You already forgot what happened in 2.8 huh? Says a lot. Kazuha's domain should have been his story quest. And now, people who haven't played 2.8 won't get to see it. Fischl's is the same. It should have been a quest. As they are now though, it's still not that great. A large chunk of those quests just have audio. Where are the visuals? They didn't bother to make any kind of animation for these stories. You've only played f2p games!? Like, you haven't played any game that costs money? Some of those games have the best stories! If you ever do get around to play those you'll start to see why Genshin is not that great. But I'm also hoping the anime gives us the better story as well.
@@greenlineessays Went to read the comments first before watching the video. This right here is an actual garbage take. "She's an NPC so she's irrelevant." Fk that shit. You already had a bias against her so the whole story had less impact on you. Was gonna try watching the video but with a shit take like that, better procrastinate somewhere else. Since I won't be watching this video, I'll just leave my take here on the whole story. Prologue is generic AF. Chapter 1 is okay. Chapter 2 is great... for the first part, then went shit for the second part. Chapter 3 is great so far. MVP goes to Nahida and Dunyarzard. P.S. I turned off my comment notification so I won't be tempted to reply to some monkey brain response. Yeah I have a closed mind but so do most people and highly likely whoever refutes this. It iwll just end with long back and forth with no resolution until one of us gets tired. Better just leave it here after giving my take.
It's quite shocking that until recently I didn't even known that Signora even had a backstory. I do read stuff like the character profiles and voice lines. But you also need to have specific character and level your friendship with him to do that. It's quite sad that so much story is missed. They could turn many of this into more character quests, which people would do because, hey free 60 primo at the end of each quest.
One of Genshin’s biggest gripes is its large amounts of dialogue. I’ve always preferred ‘show don’t tell’ cause its obviously more engaging. Heck, during the chasm quest with Xiao, it was nothing but constant talking for the sake of info dumping. My boredom was only ever alleviated because of Itto’s shenanigans. And that brings me to my next point but this is more personal. There’s barely any distinction in the personalities or traits between characters with most being characterised as being professional or sensible. Give me ones like Itto who’s always so bull-headed, Hu tao who’s always looking forward to the next funeral or Klee just being Klee; because characters like Yanfei, Ayato, Sara etc. don’t really interest me.
With more and more characters are released, its like they mix together so much, i cant differentiate between them. I don’t understand their personalities from the story cause none of them have a distinct voice for the sake of info dumping and drowning us in dialogues, which i force myself to focus on listening to cause of how tiring and boring it all is, and when i still cant place who that character is, i have to read their story! It doesnt mean anything. I get that genshins world and people have a different way of talking which is why it feels too serious, but thered still be different ways people speak! Different accents so on… The character designs seem good on such a surface level, they don’t feel human, it literally feels like theyre using 3 mannequins and switching their clothes, handing them a new script as their new backstory. All the details in the designs and clothes but all the outfits are the same. Everyone is the same person.. it infuriates me.
Everytime there is a long dialogue in a quest i just watch yt videos and have the auto play on,whenever i stop hearing sounds from the characters in the game i just click the replies and continue on lol
Hey Yanfei is actually pretty fun! Other than that yes I agree most characters have a bland presentation, mostly because of the people writing the dialogue.
Genshin’s more hidden lore is incredible. It’s only the quests we have to play through that are mad. It’s also so amazing when you piece stories together yourself and figure out the history of stuff.
Which is a problem I’m and if itself that HIDDEN lore is better than what they wanna present. If you didn’t scroll through the hidden lore you’d never know that a bulk of inazuma problems were caused by watasumi island or was affiliated with them some how. If you didn’t look at hidden lore you’d never know that venti was the reason la signora became who she is. The amount of important details that are buried through books and other literature which stated by zhongli and other archons is not fully accurate is in red asinine
honestly i will nvr understand the reason why you would ever consider making key lore points LIMITED TIME ONLY, it only discourages newer players and returning players to play the game for lore. its like the company is gatekeeping themself
Seeing the story quests patterns, I can confirm that Childe's has to be my fav when he's not even my fav character. His story quest tells us A LOT about him as a person + his lil brother and how they are together. (Although his brother is an npc lol) I also LOVED Zhongli's story quest including Raiden's second one.
Exactly, Childe's story at least gives us a new perspective of who he is, at this point we only know that he is an asshole who would not mind to sacrifice an entire nation just to fulfill the Tsaritsa's commands, however in his quest we learn that he is a family guy and is willing to publicly embarass himself in front of new recruits and potentionally risk his life and take it to the extreme by using his delusion just to protect his brother's innocence WHILE still being stated that he is a fatui and does not regret what he did because for him his family comes first. It gives him depth and despite not justifying his actions we get to understand them and feel sympathy
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock As much as I dislike Childe as a character (I'm just not a fan of that particular combination of tropes. Oh, look. A Bishounen Blood Knight. How original.), I also think he has one of the better stories for the reasons you described.
Before I started playing genshin I saw literal everyone simping for Childe, and when I played I was just like "eh..". But yeah his story quest was so good and (same with Zhongli's) I actually enjoyed the story instead of just doing it for the primogems. So now he's my favorite character
genshin desperately needs an event archive half the reason i'm afraid of getting back into genshin impact is because i've missed... _one, two, three, four..._ a LOT of events since i had stopped playing in 1.5, and that means i've missed information that could affect my perspective on the characters, the story, the _everything_ and on top of that i will never get to experience any of it for myself
it feels like it's deliberate that there isn't one, in order to capitalize on the fear of missing out on limited time stuff so people keep coming back every day. hoyo does this in all of their shit
real, I stopped after the chasm event and I know I'm majorly behind, but its so overwhelming yknow, plus the charm of the game is kinda lost on me by now I get why they wouldn't have a feature like a folder with old quests because of space (probs why GAA is a limited timed event/area) but it would be fun to revisit old quests and events to get more context for the new stories.
@@lemonswl3324 Same, I stoppped after the chasm. I logged in when Sumeru came out, went to the edge of Sumeru and... exited the game. Looking at the new area didn't fill me with excitement and I deleted the game. It's been about a year I think and I JUST downloaded the game yesterday. I decided that I'll explore Fontaine while it's small and later explore Sumeru and do the quests after. But it's still not the same. I've missed events, I'm still skipping every side quest. I'm only really enjoying exploration but it's fun ig.
Words cannot express how much I hate story quests.... GO TO POINT A AND TALK TO CHARACTER A. GO TO POINT B AND TALK TO CHARACTER B. GO BACK TO POINT A AND GIVE CHARACTER A SINGLE MUSHROOM. WAIT 1 DAY AND TALK TO CHARACTER B. TALK TO CHARACTER C. TALK TO CHARACTER A AND CHOSE AN ABITRARY DIALOGUE THAT PREVENTED YOU FROM SPAMMING THROUGH THE REST OF THE DIALOGUE. GO TO POINT C AND USE ELEMENTAL SIGHT TO LOOK FOR VAGUE THING. TALK TO CHARACTER A AND B. COOK A MEAL AND GIVE TO DICKFACE MCGEE. FIGHT A SINGLE SLIME. TALK TO CHARACTERS A B AND C. LOOK FOR QUEST LOCATION AND SCRATCH YOUR HEAD BECAUSE YOU SKIPPED THROUGH ALL DIALOGUE. CONTEMPLATE WHY YOU EVEN PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME. WATCH A GUIDE ON TH-cam. SCREAM AT YOUR TV. ok you got a minuscule amount of primogems congrats don't spend them all in one place!!
This. Like half of the time they are not even about a character, they're about a NPC! There are two dialogues which mean the EXACT SAME THING! I remember people talking about how amazing Sumeru's character quests were, especially Nahida and I was soooo annoyed by the fact that they were about a random npc, I don't even care about! And Paimon makes it worse! Like, if you want me to be interested in a npc's boring sob story, give them a proper design FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! I'm sorry if there's any error in my comment.
@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimiku no need for apologies you spoke well! it's hot garbage and I'm convinced anyone who likes it is an actual psychopath. I started using an autoclicker to speed through dialogue. Its a slap in the face that we can't skip dialogue or cutscenes but hoyo probably does it to slow down the rate at which we get primogems. That or they don't want the older players to cry that new players get this benefit while they had to suffer.
Holy shit you just made me realise my biggest problem with this game! I just always had so much problem with the dialogue and i didn't know why, but its because as a video game medium they rely too much on dialogue for story telling! It doesn't work because you can't interact with the dialogue much. Also the story would be sooooo much better if the characters INTERACTED with one another. Like i was doing the Beidou and Ningguang quest just waiting for them to meet or just mention one another but it never happened. Why do they not show friend and family relationships! The only time they are ever shown is in archon or event quests. They have such a big pool of characters to do story telling with, but they choose the boring NPCs instead! At this point the stroy became too big and i guess it's difficult to showcase the more important parts because that requires more detail which genshin unfortunatly lacks. I have noticed however that with the addition of Sumeru it has been a bit better and they are taking more "risky" and interesting ideas for story quests which im really looking forward to.
Like why tf do you add a new plot for the characters in the quests when you haven't even finished establishing the backstory. I feel like they should work on the foundation before doing these side stories that don't relate to their characters or the relationships.
yess a lot of genshin characters are interesting on paper but in the game they are boring to death because they don't interact with each other, and even if they do - it's way too polished, too neutral, so their interesting-ness doesn't mean anything
Exactly THIS, I literally did Ruu’s quest and Enkonomiya story quest without actually processing the information I did bc can you blame me?All that monster fighting, exploring, and puzzles tried me the hell out. It wasn’t until I saw a video talking about it that I truly appreciated it. The amount of dialogue bored me to death that I skipped these two heartbreaking stories like wtf???
I'm not sure if Genshin's reliance on dialogue is the problem. Or at least, there's more nuance, since other games do it better. For example, the Yakuza Saga. I fucking love all of the Yakuza games, especially 0 and Kiwami, and if you're not gonna do substories most of your playtime is honestly spent clicking thru dialogue and watching cutscenes. I'm not sure why, but Yakuza does story-focused gameplay really well.
Its as if the characters are too big for them to mess with the stories of, that they choose to use discardable npc’s instead. I had this problem most up to last year, but with all the many characters we get, the world feels so lonely. So empty and lonely. Npcs follow the same schedule, characters only appear in story cutscenes and quests. Its a lonely quiet world.
This video is all facts . From start to end . The mc not talking , the animation , the interaction between characters , scaramouch and teppei , balckouts instead of animation , a lot of npc talking , hidden lore about popular palyable and important characters and the events .
im glad youre one of the few if not only ppl who finds the beginning of the timeline weird, like the hell have they just been looking at seawater for the first two months for. why not just say they met right then and there. also regarding paimon and the travelers origins themselves, we’re literally halfway thru the game’s ending and we dunno much or at all abt the traveler or paimon and abt paimon specifically, i guess they just treat her like she’s the guoba/changsheng/boo tao equivalent of the traveler, since no one else seems to have questioned the latter three’s existence
"why not just say they met right then and there." That would require the animators putting in effort to show you getting Paimon out of the water while fishing.
Sometimes the dialog can be summerized as a college student trying to hit the word cap for an essay. The dialog is so bloated full of pointless repetitive unnecessary filler that its a drag to listen to. The characters often for example take 30 words to describe something that can be said in mere 10. Combine that with how unengaging and how badly written it is at times and you have lots of people not even knowing the story because they can't be bothered to even pay attention, which I don't blame them. I've met so many genshin fans who don't know anything about the story because the most common reason is that they can't be bothered to engage in the story because of how unegaging, stale, and bloated the dialog is at times. This one's more personal but: my God, does EVERY character have to talk like they're speaking out of a thesaurus.
You know what pisses me off about Genshin's story in Sumeru after watching this? La Signora's lore says she used mystic arts she learned from Sumeru to become the Crimson Witch. *Dies to Raiden Shogun in Inazuma* Scaramouche's lore says he was a puppet created by the Raiden Shogun in Inazuma and felt betrayed by his mother when she seemingly abandoned him. *Attempts to become a new God for Sumeru* Is it just me, or are their roles and positions in the story quests mismatched? What if Scaramouche attempted to become a New God by tempting the Watatsumi resistance to help him with the Fatui's support so that they in return have a fighting chance against Raiden, and Scaramouche can have a chance to battle his mother over his issues? That would've felt more natural for his arc than having Signora there to run operations. This feels like such an obvious decision to make - Scaramouche has an arc in Inazuma, not Signora. Maybe Signora can have a role in Sumeru, but with Dottore in charge as antagonist, I see little room for her to do much in Sumeru. How infuriating.
Genshin realized Inazuma was flopping, so, they thought that killing Signora would save it. For Scara, it would be better if we got to fought him instead of a robot IN Inazuma.
Paimon is the big elephant in the room. I've been complaining about it forever for the reasons you mentioned in the video. Mihoyo expects the player to just ignore the gigantic plot hole of "what/who is Paimon?" and pretend it doesn't exist... so they can finally reveal it as a plot twist years from now, and then we are expected to be surprised by it. It's kindergarten level of storytelling.
@kaizen3471 they already do this kind of thing chibi companion but it actually evil/get posses and be a god/corrupted god with higokomori from their other game Honkai Impact 3
Teppei being the main fucking reason we get mad is so FUCKING stupid I have NO connection to this random NPC we _just_ got introduced to. I literally LAUGHED at this mans death because it was so bad.
At this point I was expecting so little on screen storytelling that I actually got quite surprised when we were given Scaramouche's and Nahida's backstory with the Sumeru quests. I think they could dive into Nahida a little more compared to other archons because she wasn't involved in the Khaenriah massacre. Now about Scaramouche... I used to despise him but now I actually like him because unlike most other characters, we learned more and more about him ACTUALLY IN GAMEPLAY. But it created a problem for Ei in my opinion. See, in the lore Yae straight up suggested to euthanize Scaramouche because he would constantly suffer without the gnosis. However Ei set Scaramouche free to let him be his own person. Scaramouche doesn't have this perspective so he feels abandoned by his own mother. (I mean he is right to a degree, they just left him without explaining how humans operate so he perceived a child dying of sickness as a betrayal due to being immortal + having very little grasp of mortality.). My main issue is, the audience doesn't properly know Ei's side either outside of written lore. We mostly got Scaramouche's side of the story in gameplay. Since we got so little of Ei's perspective compared to Scaramouche's, it makes Ei look like an asshole to the point of character assassination. They made a huge mistake with not involving her more in his story quests. (Sorry if there are mistakes in my writing and grammar, English is not my first language. I enjoyed your video a lot, keep up the great work)
That's why I feel like an animated series would be much better for the lore. It's much harder to handle storytelling in a game and, since Mihoyo doesn't seem to give much shit about it, well, we have the mess that we have. Shame, Genshin's lore has so much potential.
@@theilluminatibenefactorI’m not hyped for it anymore honestly, they teased it long ago and made everybody excited, but now many are disappointed because it’s been like two years. They teased the anime WAY too early. They should’ve had teased it when they were finally done with the seasons, but you can never expect much when it’s hoyo anyway.
I agree with a large amount of things in this. The only thing I strongly disagree with is the notion that Scaramouche’s backstory isn’t in the main story, cuz it actually is. It’s just at the end of the Inazuma archon quest where Yae Miko just unceremoniously tells it to you. Either way, I feel like Hoyoverse realized a couple of its main problems in storytelling, mainly Paimon being a dialogue repeater, and important lore heavy event quests, as evident by the chasm event quest, and the fact that paimon does seem to be getting better in terms of actual character instead of just repeating info. As for the twin travelers themselves. I think Hoyoverse realized early that the goal shouldn’t be finding the sibling, which is why they did the abyss sibling reveal before Inazuma, so that the rest of the story is about seeking what “the truth of this world” is.
they did the abyss sibling reveal way before inazuma, in 1 or 2 trailers on youtube it focuses on the sibling even beore the game's release and during the mondstadt quest we get a shot of her and some abyss mages iirc. although i've heard they did change the inazuma storyline several times (i think they changed writers?) which is why it was executed so poorly
@@xxri I’m specifically talking about revealing the info about where the twin is to the traveler. The main character’s original motive is finding their sibling, then it turns out sibling is with abyss, and gives a side quest about finding the truth of Teyvat, after which the two will meet again.
@@AnArtistInAVoid yeah, i mean why didnt we just go together with our sibling and find out the truth of Teyvat? Was there a single dialogue where the Traveler refuse their sibling's plan to overthrow Celestia??? No, not a freaking single bit. Were there any differences in our ideals? Depends on how you answered Dains three questions, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I know there are nuances in our answers but at least show what it is.
@@BiBiren i think that the traveler was in shock about the whole siding with the abyss thing. Plus the traveler seemed more interested in just leaving teyvat to do its own thing, instead of staying there. It’s specifically the Abyss sibling who refused to leave until they’ve conquered the heavens.
I think she's getting worse. The aranara quest is 10 hour long and every 15 min interval you she keeps mentioning how difficult the korok names are. She just completely ruins any tension in archon quest and is so hyperfixated on Mora and food for no reason
To answer your first question, for those first two months, paimon was teaching the traveller how to speak, understand, read and write the language of teyvat, which they pick up shockingly fast. But they still likely aren't completely fluent, which may influence why they don't talk much.
At that point, they could’ve made some sort of gag about that to explain that away instead of making us assume it could be the case. If you want to learn and get better at a language, the best way to practice is to *speak*. It doesn’t excuse even a little bit why Traveller doesn’t speak. If this was the true problem and they make Paimon talk for us because we simply can’t, the way around this could’ve been Traveller still talks, but makes mistakes or has trouble finishing a sentence that Paimon would then translate *in short*, none of that long overdrawn bloated rehashing thats only inserted for 3 yr olds who didn’t get it the first time. And it can’t be a frequent thing either because that would get tiresome fast. Then they’d get better with it over time and less of these are needed to the point of even being completely gone by end of Liyue because mind you a lot of months have gone by between prologue and Sumeru. Which would make Traveller speaking up infront of a crowd of people asking about their brother in the climax Liyue’s main story quest all the more...intriguing? Exciting? “Finally we don’t need the bobble head anymore” or “Oh wow they spoke in front of a large audience” would be the reaction to this and in terms of genshin storytelling, id take it as a plus. A lot of people learning a new language worry of their tounge/words would be judged especially infront of anyone more than their selective group of friends/acquaintances etc. This gives Traveller a mini character arc and makes them much more relatable and less of a 2 dimensional character, while also giving them more than “My sibling! Please where are they?” and stock image syndrome. Paimon can obviously speak a few times but like Heizou said, not as our *voice*. Joker from Persona 5 doesn’t speak often, but his option dialogues have a lot of personality in them and thankfully he doesn’t have a floating bobble head next to him.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter lore about paimon, idk yet. but if you replace paimon voice with mc it will double size the audio file (male/female) 4 language every update + event. i think this is developer plan from the begining.
@@alkarana8106 Doesn't really change the fact that it's bad storytelling to to make your not silent protagonist have a mouthpiece for the entire game. They might as well have done away with Paimon but a mascot is necessary to sell hence why they kept her even though half the fanbase hates her
Honestly, there's a whole LOT of stuff that irks me beyond the point of no return with the story, but the main offenders to me are Paimon and the sheer amount of dialogue bloat there is. Paimon feels like she's there to constantly keep repeating dialogue unnecessarily and ask pointless questions in a way similar to Solid Snake. There's also a whole lot of unfunny running gags pertaining to her character every time she has to say something, like how she has to reiterate for the hundredth time that she's Paimon and not [Insert rough description of what Paimon is here] every time we meet someone new. And then the Dialogue itself feels like it drags on for WAY to damn long like a college student trying to hit the word count for an essay. Its actually pretty similar to the earlier parts of XIV, but at least in that game you can skip the cutscenes if you wanted to. Hell, XIV even tells you in advance if you're about to be stuck watching a bunch of cutscenes one after the other so you can properly prepare for it. Meanwhile, the autoplay button in Genshin actually feels like it's WORSE than just mashing the button to get through, especially when your progress through the cutscene gets halted by one of the Traveler's completely pointless "dialogue options".
@@peckneck2439 I don't get why people that get annoyed by a game still play it, I would rather unistall it until it gets good, or if it doesn't improve, not play it at all, it's not worth it I guess some people just have too much time
Probably one of the weakest story build ups in my opinion is Teppei's death, a situation like that only works if the player is actually able to interact/see the character enough to build even the slightest connection to the character in question. However, we don't get to see or interact with Teppei enough to build said connection, so using his death as a motivator for the protagonist feels far less impactful as it's not serving as a motivator for the player as well. Teppei was then basically left out from any future elements of the story, basically treated as nothing but a footnote. What Hoyoverse most likely wanted to emulate is the emotional moment caused by Haurchefant's death in Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward, as he also started as a seemingly minor character, but gradually became more prominent as that part of the story went on until his death. The major difference between the two is that Teppei was not given much time on screen during the Inazuma chapter, whereas Haurchefant was there for most of Heavensward. It wasn't that Teppei was poorly written either, Hoyoverse simply didn't give him or the players the time to build that meaningful connection for a character's death to feel impactful. You can't even use the excuse that Genshin Impact is a gacha game to excuse the decline in story, as not only do Hoyoverse's other games (Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai: Star Rail) still have decent stories, other gacha games such as Fate/Grand Order and CounterSide also have well written stories to follow. Whoever is in charge of writing Genshin Impact's story simply got complacent with the game's burgeoning success and started to slack off, and have caused those who were initially interested in the plot (like me) to lose interest in the game as a whole.
Another gripe I have with this game is how it doesn't use it's medium's strengths to tell its story at all. When I'm playing a game, I want to play through the story, that's how a game should be. Not just cutscenes and info dumps that are tedious to get through and have absolutely no right being in a GAME of all things. If you're just going to tell me everything through text and show me nothing in a medium reliant on its VISUALS, then you should've written a book instead! Granted, that won't fix many of the issues with the story (although could slightly alleviate some) such as plot relevance, but then it wouldn't feel unjustified having to read. Reminder: I play games to *play* them. I read books to *read* them. I watch movies to *watch* them. I shouldn't have to be reading and watching in a medium that requires player interaction-- at least not to the extent where you're honestly 10 times better off telling your story through a different medium.
One of the most annoying things is the NPC MODELS! Its so difficult to resonate with the npcs when they’re all the same model with the same hair just with different clothes sometimes! I wish that they were just a little different maybe? Different hair colours or eye colours or different body types and different hair styles. It would be may more immersive if they just gave the important npcs cool defining features
The biggest issue is that they tried to make a customized "you" character (the twin we play) but at the same time giving them a look, a story, a background, a character. they pretend we have a choice but we don't. aether treats some nice , way too nice (like xiao), while other characters ARE nice (like lyney) but "omg fatui" and we bash him each time to the ground. but both are 5 stars that are pulled for the same price. Also that they give us little to no lore. Like now in latest event furina, zhongli AND traveler met up and talked about neuvillette. Did traveler ask about khaenriah? did traveler ever ask venti about it ? (venti has as only archon not his second story quest only becasue we dont have a second mond boss, we asked every archon about khaenriah - only venti not) and zhongli told us he has a contract and can't answer us. so why aren't we persistent? why won't we talk about focalors and egeria in front of furina and zhongli? heck we even keep the secret from nahida that her counterpart sacrificed herself IN HER CHARACTER QUEST THAT IS ABOUT THAT YOU SHOULD ALSO FACE BAD THINGS IN LIFE XD) i agree with some comments. genshin turns to toddler-mode. paimon destroys almost all scenes with her talking while we have still no voice, people die (jeht killed people in front of paimon and traveler and they are like 0 affected? 0 traumatized?) traveler is sus AF and nobody questions them. nobody asks where they come from, which world they visited , what happened to these worlds, what they did before paimon found them (I think still they wait to push it into the anime to milk the cow), we get pulled for khaenriah against celestia without knowing anything at all , we dont question where paimon goes if she disappears etc. etc. etc. obviious questions. Like did we EVER ask around about the sustainer at the start? did we now EVER talk about skirk? no, we rather travel to celebrate lantern rite after another nation almost drowned , meet with the geo archon but still don't ask anything. That's biggest issue. if they would keep us interested. putting sustainer in, giving each update a tiny scene / cinematic of the abyss twin, of the traveler's background, of the tsaritsa, of sus venti (yeah I still think he is super bad in the end because of istaroth connection). also, istaroth isn't a shade of the phanes/primordeal one. Connected to god of time. all connected to nyx who was the mother of aether and hemera (which I assume is lumine). either hoyoverse grabs really random terminologies or I even assume Aether IS a big god there not even connected to lumine. etc. etc. if you read in the wiki you get more info than any main lore related quest gave. often hidden in descriptions on artefacts or items. and this is bad for a game. I really liked inazuma as story, and liyue and mond before . sumeru to me was just bad especially with the desert and fontaine was 50/50. people just like over-emotional things ut the pacing of all is bad. the jail one was way too long and not neccessary, the archon quest in fontaine was destroyed by the forced ace attourney copy which was way too long. but they milk the cow with fanservice anyway now. mashing characters together that taking away all sense , copy of pokemon, copy of yugioh, pac man, soccer, etc etc. (but that is not topic of this video)
This has to be the actual stupidest comment I've ever read. The fact that the author of the video likes it pretty much tells me how skewed their standards are and that they just seek validation about the video rather than criticism. Let's deconstruct the points one by one. About why the Traveler doesn't work as a conduit for the player: While the Traveler is a silent protagonist, they never really were a character that gave agency to the player to begin with. Sure, they had multiple dialogue choices but they barely deviated from what they want to say or feel. We see this manifest even more in Fontaine where the Traveler downright takes control away from the player and begins actually speaking with voice lines about what they feel in regards to the current moment. See, for instance, Neuvillette's Story Quest. Abhout why the Traveler is a Dick: Because the Traveler chooses who the fuck he wants to be friends with no matter who you like or not. That's pretty much the simplest answer you can get. The Traveler is a character in and off themselves and they basically choose to trust/distrust character who we clearly see as good or bad. Sure, Lyney's been a nice person to the Traveler, but the previous run-ins they've had with the Fatui certainly skewed their perception of him up until that point. We see the relationship develop further as time goes by and then it becomes an actual friendship by the time the Arlecchino Story Quest hits. Why the Traveler doesn't ask the Archons about X: Because they either don't know, don't care, or can't tell the answer. You suggested to talk to VENTI. VENTI. The literal vaguest character in the entirety of Teyvat who can't even speak about his own nation without being A) Wrong or B) A fucking dick. Sometimes both. The Traveler has so much power to actually control the narrative or what questions they can ask without risking the diplomatic relationship they have with their archons. "But the Traveler saved the nation!" I will probably hear. Well, for one, the Traveler saved Liyue and was told by Zhongli that he couldn't speak because of his contract. He did find out the meaning of Fontaine's prophecy but it was Neuvillette who reversed it. His involvement in Sumeru is literally irrelevant because it technically didn't happen. Telling Nahida About Rukkhadevata's Sacrifice: The absolute most braindead suggestion I've ever heard that is literally EXPLAINED DURING THE ARCHON QUEST so it's not even a "this is explained in the background" excuse. Rukkhadevata sacrificed herself and was deleted from Irminsul to rid the world from forbidden knowledge. To tell Nahida or anyone about it would be to not only risk bringing forbidden knowledge back into the world (which was close to happening already with Apep's illness) but it also would risk the collapse of the ENTIRETY OF TEYVAT because it would cause a paradox. This was a risk that not even Nahida was willing to take despite bluffing about it to Dottore when she wanted to get information out of him. Despite how essay-like your comment is your reading comprehension is so questionable it makes me wonder if Paimon is repeating her exposition for morons like YOU. About the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles and Skirk: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE TRAVELER KNOW ABOUT EITHER OF THEM?! We know about both due to the lore dumps in background elements like items and artifacts but the Traveler doesn't. That's the entire point of the Archon quest to begin with since 1.4! When the game starts, the Sustainer is described to Paimon by the Traveler as an "unknown god" and they only say their name. Try telling me how the fuck they will ask that to an archon, let alone an entity that possibly transcends even them. I am not even going to talk about your issues with Sumeru or Fontaine because you clearly have the reading comprehension of a toddler. If you can't even understand the main quests themselves even when their important plot points are told to you in very clear text right in front of your face, then what the fuck am I supposed to expect from you? Because of TH-cam's lack of notifications regarding comments, it will probably take a long time to see if I ever get responded to this comment. I'm not giving this clown a view just for the sake of checking whether this thread gets answered or not. Just know that I am responding to this comment in particular because you are the embodiment of every commenter in this video and the author themselves. You miss the point of the game, you CLEARLY can't understand the plot points delivered to you, and the nuances that the characters have throughout the course of the story are ignored for the sake of your first Impressions. This screams surface-level bullshit and you guys need to spend less time writing about how bad Genshin's story is and more time reading a book because clearly you haven't done that and saying you have done otherwise is a lie.
I just finished a class about Narrative Storytelling and I think Genshin is using a Narrative Concept called "Real Life Narrative". Basically, nothing are told on purpose because In real life, more often than not, you don't ask. But that is just my opinion, I am just okay with this kind of Narrative Structure but I can see the problem it gave
I know nothing about narration, but I have a question. Why do they explain something in 20 dialogues which can be explained in 10? I think that's far from reality.
@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimiku this actually already been explained. Its because the game is Chinese. Chinese characters are much more longer since each words have its own characters. Thus when talking, even explaining the most simple thing, it is long when spoke or written in Chinese. English and other language however (those who used ABC format) aren't like that, so most of the time, the translator ended up throwing words to fill in the space
When someone point out Genshin's bad storytelling, I always mention Inazuma especially the half part of it. The Sangonomiya Resistance arc wasted Kokomi's potential as perfect plot character. I remember someone in TH-cam Comment section about Hoyoverse making most of the characters goody two shoes and heavily pointed out Kokomi as his/her prime example of a wasted potential. They pointed out how it would be better instead if Kokomi doesn't deny that they made a deal with the Fatui and the distribution of Delusions among the ranks. She knows how dangerous Fatui are but she can't help but needed them to win the war. So they distributed Delusions among their ranks. They will win many disputes and struggles with the help of Delusions and The Fatui's support, not fully aware what will happen next that will haunt her for the rest of her life. Later on, there is a unknown disease that the bearers of Delusion have become really old and frail(same plot as in the quest) and she will discover that one of her dear friends and Teppei will die because of her own mistake. She immediately ordered everyone to dispose all of the Delusions and cut ties with the Fatui. Traveler didn't know about Kokomi's plan back then and receiving the news that Kokomi somehow has knowledge about what happened, they decided to leave the Sangonomiya Resistance. With that, Kokomi feels so regretful because of what happened. She didn't even know if she deserves to be the leader of Watatsumi. But she can't be discourage since there are many people who loves and relies on her. They think her story quest should be her redemption arc and owing up to her past mistakes.
that's how you know don't actually focus on the story at hand. delusions weren't given to the resistance, some coerced to them like teppei to grant him temporary power without the knowledge of the priestess much just a secret mysterious help because the plan that she never questioned about and the fatui's plan was to prolong the war enough to get the gnosis, they were never in cahoots with the fatui. there's a subplot around this point about delusions and the connections to an unknown sourcer but it was info dumped instead so the lack of tension and progress has been skipped, the only real reason why the 2nd archon quest was bad is because it's rushed storytelling, the pacing was way too bad and It didn't let majority of the characters shine. compared to sumeru and Liyue. more on that, the reason why the soldiers managed to reach tenshukaku was because of the help from the yashiro commissions lord Ayato, he's been the one who's kept the fatui in check this entire time because of his hidden scouts, the sangonomiya resistance once again didn't need help fighting to win the war against the tenryou, It was a tactic from the fatui to prolong the war between the raiden gokaden and the watatsumi rebellion before they reach tenshukaku. regardless the main focus of the archon quest was Ei and her idealism that would bring down the people. and she's not even the reason for it. it was the fatui manipulating the raiden shogun. all she agreed was the seizing of visions.
Kokomi is just one example of a mishandled character. I would almost say that most if not all of Genshin's cast is mishandled, whether its when they're first introduced or after they're no longer "plot relative" in which case they get sent to the dungeon unless summoned by a limited time hang out event that tons of players will miss :/
Lisa can't come because of two reasons: she's actually dying from a magical disease that gets worse the more time she spends outside (hence why she rarely does and why some of her voicelines talk about her health) and she hates what has become of the Akademiya which was why she left in the first place. As for Amber, it's not in her personality to abandon her duty. She's the only outrider in Mondstadt and while she knows that the job is more symbolic than functional nowadays, she still can't bear to leave it.
29:22 The problem with walls of text for backstory, at least for me, is that I sit down to play Genshin to _play_ the game, not read stuff. Yes, I can spend hours being lost in a book or a visual novel, but thats the thing, when i open a book or boot up something like Steins;Gate or Umineko, its with the _desire_ to read. I go in fully aware that I'm going to be reading walls of text. I shouldn't be required to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of stuff to understand the motives and backstory of a character in an _Action-RPG_
29:38 Tbf a characters backstory hidden behind text and not shown in the story is not a Genshin Impact problem, It's a gatcha game problem as a whole. Very few instances I can think of where a characters backstory is revealed during the main story gameplay. Also, in other gatcha games you got rewarded for learning the characters backstories via more summoning currency, In Genshin you just get a name card.
Yeah, namecards feel like the biggest dud of a reward, especially after all the effort you put in up to that point to unlock them. Name cards should be given when you unlock the character, then give pulls or something when you reach friendship 10
@@MultiDragonreaper Yeah, after you get all the pity characters those feel way less valuable though. With the amount you put into friendship you'd expect like one or two intertwined fates at least
@@theanuscancer I agree, raising your friendship with the characters is pretty difficult for no reason. You either play them for months or have them in your teapot all the time, and they only give you a single namecard with NOTHING else. Not even asking for wishes but a small reward maybe? This game doesn't really feel rewarding at ALL with the sheer amount of effort necessary for almost everything
I hate it when in the archon quest the story is getting to the main point then suddenly a character become sad/sigh-ing that forced paimon/us to ask why they are sad and they start to lore dump everything about the condition of their archon/country/themselves that we are forced to help them like bro I DONT GIVE A SINGLE F*CK! at least dont lore dump and make me click furiously to skip it
This will be a very long chain to read. There are 5 main issues I have with the game: 1 - Paimon: Sure. Make her annoying. Sure. Make her a bully. Sure. Make her a hypocrite. Sure. Make her explain things you already know. But why oh why does she have to speak on the Traveler's behalf? This is the absolute worst in both "We Will be Reunited" and Yoimiya's second story quest. You finally found your Twin after so long? Guess who does most of the talking. Sorry, talking is an exaggeration. All Paimon does in that scene is repeat things other characters say or state obvious stuff. Instead of having Traveler talk to their Twin. Same things happened in Yoimiya's 2nd quest, where she asks the Traveler if they found their twin and how they feel.. And guess who's the one talking like it was her own twin and not the Traveler's. Paimon went as far as to express how the Traveler's currently feels while said Traveler never utters a word.
2 - Contractions: There's a lot of it. And you can't escape it. Oh? Traveler is the enemy of Eternity because having Elemental powers without Vision is an exception and that's bad? Sure. But making exceptions for Kujou Sara, Yae Miko, Ayaka and whoever else to keep their vision is NOT an exception it seems. Oh? Nahida managed to help Traveler defeat Scaramouche who was in a giant mecha powered by a Gnosis mainly by trapping him tempoailry in a samsra of her own? Too bad she can't do the same to the Doctor and apparently she can't fight despite helping to take down a mecha few mintues ago. Speaking of which.. In Wanderer's Story Quest, it was stated that without the mecha he would die.. But guess what? He's fine and dandy, not even showing any signs of damage.
3 - All Gnosis go to the Fatui: Let's face it. They pull awful excuses and poor reasons to force the Fatui to get a Gnosis every single time. They don't even try to pull a middle where Traveler or another side keep the Gnosis. Somehow, Signora managed to one shot Venti.. An Archon.. And stole his Gnosis in one go.. Sure. Venti is not as powerful as he used to be because he wasn't seen in a while, but he's still an Archon. He's still miles stronger than a human witch. If you're gonna argue that Venti was weaker than that, I would like to remind you that Nahida, who wasn't seen in 500 years, one whose people don't even acknowledge her existence, managed to beat a far stronger Harbinger who was powdered up by both a mecha and the Gnosis of another Archon. Zhongli made a very stupid deal. But a deal is a deal. So it'll pass why he handed it over so easily. (The deal was probably plot convenience) Yae Miko, Lady Guuji.. Simply handed over the Electro Gnosis on a silver plate to Scaramouche. Even though she was hyped up to be very powerful.. She stated that she could dispose of him without even Ei noticing. Surely she'll be able to at least knock him out and save Traveler. But no, Fatui gotta have them Gnosis. And Nahida's a joke.. Like I stated.. The one who managed to both help beat a puppet in a mecha powered by a Gnosis apparently can't take on some Fatui harbinger who is SAID (not proven) to be as strong as a God.. The one who sent Scaramouche into a samsara without him realizing apparently can't do that to the Doctor. Why? Fatui gotta get the Gnosis. And again.. Why can't she keep it? Why can't someone else keep a Vision for once?
4 - A-Hole Traveler: some Characters tend to be awfully inconsistent, but the worst example has to be the Traveler.. They started from being a pure hearted hero into a greedy, mean, and sometimes evil protagonist. From threatening to kill and torture Saimon Jirou over a treasure that didn't belong to them all the way to making it clear that they didn't give a damn about Enkaominya, and that all they cared about was whatever treasures it had. And my God are they such a hypocrite. They shame Venti for assuming he illegally smuggled himself into Inazuma which again.. Just some accusation they threw out of nowhere. But when Venti calls them out on their hypocrisy, stating that it was they who came into Inazuma illegally, suddenly "No need to bring the past!" Which makes me wonder.. Traveler and Venti started on the right note, why are they such a dick to Venti lately? Sure, Paimon is one to just bully everyone. But for reasons unknown, Traveler just loves to disrespect the two who showed them nothing but respect. The other being Itto.
5 - Narrow-minded Traveler: this is another poor aspect of writing.. The reason the Traveler was stuck in Ritou was because they refused to help Ayaka. Why? Apparently the Traveler didn't say they would help.. And due to that, they were stuck in Ritou for an extended period of time, forcing in more fetch quests. Then you finally meet Ayaka who makes a deal.. You try to help, she'll set up a meeting for you with the Electro Archon.. You know, the reason you came here in the first place. But Traveler refuses again for no reason, despite it aligning with their goal. But it doesn't end there, for some reason the Traveler tend to have such a narrow-minded view, especially against the wrong people. One example is the Skeptical from Sorush's world quest, who wanted to get back at the Akademiya for banishing them and falsely shaming them in history. Traveler's response? "tHiS Is jUsT SpEcUlAtIoN" The people who locked up their Archon, tried to replace her, held down the land in a tyrant manner, and did some immoral human experimentations on innocents that they knew would die? Nah. They would never do such a thing.
the genshin cycle ~arrived at new nation ~compromised by fatui ~branded as suspect ~3 circles, the good, the bad and the neutral ~a new waifu crushes on you ~makes a plan to save nation from fatui ~stealth section ~succeed and celebrate ~thank you for saving our nation but your sister is in another nation ~dain drops by and dishes out khaneriah lore ~leaves and filler event rinse and repeat also pipsquek (paimon) With Star Rail on the trail. The storyline has been downgraded... And we're halfway through, haven't we forgotten about the unknown goddess that dump us both twins on teyvat? Guess they forgot about it P.S. I quit last novrmber and sold my account in february. They did my ex-waifus dirty, toxic teyvatians
Ikr! Like it feels as though we've entirely forgot about the Unknown Goddess imo, and tbh she doesn't even feel that relevant to the story anymore- luckily, things seem to be improving a LOT with Fontaine, the characters, stories and world is genuinely breathtaking. And NPC story quests are over! We can finally actually learn about the characters instead of helping NPC number 47373 find their missing jar of old honey which was the last thing their dog gave them. I'm pretty sure the last three regions (Natlan, Snezhneya and Khaenri'ah) are gonna be excellent.
I've been playing a lot of RPG games since childhood, and i could say Genshin Impact lore is so generic and boring.. i uninstalled the game after playing for 2 hours lol
Genshin's story quests being about NPCs has been so annoying. I believe dehya is the exception to this because we actually learn about her past and what's she's like as a person. But quests like nilou's, I don't give a damn about an NPC that I've never met before.
It’s so awkward. Navia’s quest was also about her, even though it focused on the NPC, it still tied back to her, hell we actually spend a good chunk of it away from the dude and get a look at Navia’s own insecurities and what not. They didn’t even crowbar in the other characters which the game also has a tendency to do.
i have read many Chinese manhua before and the story here seems very similar to them, they're all surface level stuff where the characters are all caricature of basic concepts and not fleshed out 3 dimensional characters like other series
Honestly, the thing with traveller that I am really frustrated by is that mihoyo/hoyoverse can't seem to make up their mind over whether they want a silent protagonist or an actual speaking character protagonist. Silent protagonists can work well, (look at Link in BOTW for example). But for genshin, traveller is neither a silent protagonist or a talking one. They don't speak at all in quests, then suddenly speak a line or two, which makes you wonder why the hell they weren't speaking before (ie. end of liyue archon quest). Funnily enough, they speak so seldomly in story quests, but in their profile voicelines, they are shown to have so many thoughts and opinions on events. They speak and converse with paimon so much and they have a personality!! Why isn't this side of traveller shown in the main quests? They have dialogue options, yes, but all of the options have little consequences. Dialogue choice one and dialogue choice two either info dump knowledge that traveller shouldn't really know about, or is a random comment that only changes the next box of dialogue. Personally, tere's nothing wrong with having dialogue choices that don't affect the story. I guess it's impossible to do a multiple ending type thing with a game like genshin. BOTW does this dialogue option thing with Link as well. However, the implementation of dialogue boxes along with the silent character trope makes it seem that genshin originally wanted the player to 'be' the traveller. But they keep switching between that and making the character have a voice. Was it cool to hear aether talk in my play through of liyue's archon quest? Yes. But it came so out of nowhere and was so inconsistent that it breaks immersion. Although Sumeru's archon quest was a lot better than previous archon quests when it comes to fleshing out traveller; why does traveller only speak when they are trying to figure their thoughts on what is going on? The game's treatment of traveller and their ability to speak is so inconsistent that it honestly detracts from the game. I just don't get what mihoyo/hoyoverse is trying to do with traveller and I feel it would be so much better if they just made up their minds on whether traveller should be a silent protagonist to self insert yourself into, or an actual legitimate character with feelings and opinions. If Paimon DIDNT talk over traveller, I honestly would have no idea what traveller would be saying.
when I first started playing genshin, I always thought it was super odd how none of the playable characters were in the physical world outside of story quests or certain side quests. I feel like even just having them hang around their respective locations and have some new dialogue every now and then would give the world just a bit more life and depth that it desperately needs.
I actually like to think of Genshin like the movie "Free Guy" where you are the "Guy" and you have all these amazing things that happen around you and hear about...but it's not part of YOUR story. Despite being the main character you are just a NPC listening to other people's lives. The fluff and droning on by other characters is painful AF. Except in Free Guy the NPC's realize they are just that but Genshin never does, you are just there to fulfill fetch quests for little pieces of poorly written story. edit thank god you pointed out the stale cut scene animations, a true hero.
Yeah, the show don't tell part is what is really messing Genshin up imo. I really started to notice during the second golden apple event that most of the characters already went through their struggles. Bedou battles a great leviathan, Kazuha already lost his families fortune AND lost his none NPC friend, Diluc leaving on a long journey after his dads death, ect. We meet them once they've already passed most of their struggles so you're left with a character who doesn't really have anything new to add to the story. I get some things had to be before you met them but for the most part it feels like you as Lumine/Aether don't really create a strong bond outside of the whole "They love you just because you're the main character" trope.
After playing through Fontaine I can confidently say that I absolutely agree with this what were they thinking giving a 30 minute exposition dump in the CLIMAX
@@MrMeisterRoxasit’s crazy how little Furina actually appears in the quest. Her longest scene before the trial is when she has the meeting with Arlecchino.
On that tangent of Diluc's skin event, remember when you just had to find a random brick in the wall above a building that just casually drops Kaeya's pretty damn crucial background as a descendant of royal regents of Khaenri'ah? Arguably the most important nation to find lore about in the entire game considering how many important events happened there during the Cataclysm?
Inazuma ticked me off. The people experienced traumatic bloodshed by their archon and it just seems like the war didn't mean anything. Yes, I get the meaning and theme around how terrible war is, but I would think the people would at least be against Raiden still for many years to come, hell, maybe the whole existence of Inazuma itself. Your own god, your own leader, was mass murdering your friends and family and basically taking away their ambitions if they don't fight back. The outcome? There she is, hanging out on top of the shrine with her pet fox. Sure, she may have 'changed' and worked to remove the eternity she implemented due to her grief. But it means nothing. The soldiers you worked with don't have much to go back on, and the most baffling part is that Ayato, who's supposed to be a major player in the war, only shows up in a unlockable story quest. Why is his sister playing more of a part, and why do we have to push through her story quest along with Yomikya just to get through the story? After Liyue, I cared little for the archon quests after. The characters are just there for gacha pulls at this point, and they barely have anything worth putting down. Ex. Seriously? An army struggles against fireworks?
As a honkai player i have a completely different view, genshin story telling is basically another honkai storytelling but a bit worse. Hoyoverse has this quirk where the quality of their content is inconsistent, sometimes its bad sometimes its good. Sometimes they wanted to up the quality, sometimes they wanted to risk it by trying new experimental things. I dont take genshin storytelling and gameplay seriously because of this. The only thing i take seriously is their art and lore because its pretty consistent and good.
To explain Signora's appearance in Inazuma, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that her being there was some sort of breach in protocol. She and Scaramouche are supposed to be working together. For example, ij your quest to leave Ritou Village, it was mentioned that the head of the Kanjou commission was in correspondence with her. It's a sort of divide and conquer situation where Signora will be in charge of the main Inazuma faction and Scaramouche will be covertly supporting the rebellion. However, she WAS supposed to work behind the scenes and was not supposed to directly confront the Shogun during that confrontation in 3.1
I would kinda have to disagree. In order for it to be a behind the scenes operation, Ei wouldn't simply come out and tell us the VHD was conceived by the Fatui. Nor would Signora go to the Hiiragi clan to specifically task them with stopping us from getting off Ritou. Scara said it best, he wasn't the mastermind behind this--the person he was working under was, which in this case was Signora. Now, what wasn't supposed to happen was Scara getting the Gnosis from Miko. That's what foiled her plan. Cause so far, as the only Harbinger actually collecting Gnoses, the safest bet is to go directly to the Archon for it. If Scara told her that he had it, she would've never went to Tenshukaku to talk to the Shogun. Nor would we intercept her meeting and literally get her killed by challenging her to a duel before the throne. Arlecchino wasn't wrong for getting upset that Pantalone and Pulcinella were sittin pretty at home instead of doing dirty work like Signora to achieve the Tsaritsa's goals.
@@geosustento8894 I gotta disagree. Behind the scenes means you not making appearances, you're pulling the strings. A prime example is when we were going to storm Tenshukaku. Agents were sent to negotiate assistance from Ayato. That's behind the scenes. Scara being a passive observer, "following orders" while the grunts distribute Delusions to the Watatsumi forces and the Tenryou Commission, that's behind the scenes cause she's not the one walking up and doing it. Going to the Kanjou Commissioner (literally one of the three heads of the human leadership under the Archon) and telling him to stop a blonde traveler with a floaty companion from leaving Ritou at all costs, that ain't behind the scenes, that's making a statement to ensure your other plans aren't ruined.
@@MihaeldiAngelo a few things: 1) "behind the scenes" doesn't automatically mean you're not going out. For example, while we haven't seen Ayato before his release, we know from dialogues that he's actively working as the Yashiro commissioner while also working with the rebellion behind the scenes. 2) That's the breach in protocol that I mentioned before. I think what they meant when it was implied that Signora wasn't supposed to be there was that she was not supposed to directly confront Ei. 3) The Kanjou and Tenryou Commissions were both in collusion with the Fatui and are manipulating the Shogun on their behalf. So yes, working with them and making sure the Traveler doesn't leave Ritou IS working behind the scenes.
@@geosustento8894 1. I didn't say not going out. I said pulling the strings, which is exactly what Ayato did. He was doing his job and most likely using the Shuumatsuban to keep in contact with the resistance. The Harbingers are definitely clandestine with diplomatic relations as far as what we've seen. Grunts do their dirty work, just like for Ayato, the Shuumatsuban is his covert network doing his bidding where he can't. That's why I say she isn't behind the scenes, she did it in Liyue. If she actually wanted to throw us off properly, she could've had Scara handle that meeting instead, but she didn't. 2. What exactly are you referring to when it comes to "breaking protocol" cause the only thing close to that was Capitano's comment on her honor being "tarnished" due to her methods. Which I don't fell holds much water. Her meeting the Shogun was not a confrontation. Our interruption turned it into a confrontation. Like if we were removed from the equation, it would've been a simple talk, they showed us that they had no issue with each other. The Shogun reprimanded her for "disciplining an Inazuman" and Signora immediately apologized. 3. I don't disagree with you there. I'm not saying that her plans were bad and not behind the scenes. I'm saying her actions and how she did them, was not behind the scenes. Again, the fatal flaw was not having that conversation with the Kanjou Commissioner either done by a grunt or Scara which would throw us off, or somewhere more private where people not in the conversation couldn't hear. Cause once someone not involved in a secret knows a secret, it's no longer a secret.
I heard Genshin is gonna make an anime and I hope it’s about the history of tyvate and the back stories of characters because it would be much more better
idk what's more boring, Genshin's story-telling or having to look for all the times characters crossed their arms Thank you for your sacrifice man. This is exactly what I've been rambling on about for the last year or so about Genshin's story-telling. They keep TELLING us instead of SHOWING us. Imagine if in the Mission Impossible series, the spies just keep talking about what the plan is and trying to get everything ready but when it's actually time to execute the plan, it just fades to black and text on the screen saying the plan went off without a hitch. FUUUUUUUUUU
Hey Guys! Glad to see all of you taking an interest in the video! Just to be transparent, this video was made before the release of 3.0. With the exception of Collie I did not include the Sumeru portion of the archon quest with my evaluation. I agree Sumeru has improved the story a little and I will return to it at a later date. 😄
The first question what were they doing....may be during that time paimon taught paimon about the language and all...
Its in traveller dialogue that she did....
Lol
Will you talk about Destiny 1 and 2's stories just for reference
You idiot genshin is so good 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I’m just waiting to see how they handle the conclusion to the archon quest. Sumeru is the middle point of the game. It’ll effect how many players view genshin’s narrative as a whole.
The reason we don't see Teppei's funeral is because Teppei did not really die. He faked his death for the greater good, then retired as an inconspicuous street-food salesman by dying his hair. You will find him everywhere, traveling across Teyvat wearing disguises -- sometimes as a knight of Favonius, sometimes as a Milileth, etc.
WAIT WHAT?! I THOUGHT HE DIED FOR REAL?!
Wow just wow. Thank you for this astonishing news.
@@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber I legit cannot tell if you get the joke lmao
@@paulvine8127 Eh? There was a joke involved? Had no idea 🤣
@@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber Because the NPC face and body models and animations are reused to death in this game, it's like all the NPCs are Teppei with different clothes or hair
@@paulvine8127 Oh
OH OH OH OH OH OH MAN I FEEL STUPID 😭😂😭😂
one of my biggest issues with genshin is that the characters don't actually exist in that game. they appear in quests, interact with each other probably once or twice in their life and then completely evaporate. they don't walk around the city, you can't see them in their respective work places or homes like imagine going to dawn winery in mondstadt and seeing diluc inside the mansion just sitting there or jean and kaeya in knights of favonious headquarters? how cool would that be? but instead we have the same boring npcs always standing around but the actual characters hoyo wants you to spend money on are nowhere to be found? like where are they?? the only taste of that we got during lantern rite festival where some characters could be spotted in various places of liyue until the end of latern rite event but it should be a norm!
Hoyo really wants us to pay to SEE our characters of interest outside of character gallery and quests
Here's the stupid thing about this, in Star Rail they literally fixed that problem, except for some obvious characters everyone else can be found in the worlds.
But the Genshin dev team doesn't want to learn from the HSR one.
@@thegamerfe8751 Genshin dev team is like Yandere dev who knows how to code, afford assets and how not to appear TOO creepy
At least in The Cat's Tail characters will actually be there and you can play with them, it feels so nice since it's just the two of you hanging out without Paimon or treasure hoarder npc 263
This is why I was so glad Honkai Star Rail had that
The biggest problem I noticed is that genshin wants to tell a story full of interesting characters, but doesn't know how to make those characters backstories intertwine with the story itself. Teyvat kind of feels like a guided tour full of actors and its all set up for the travelers benefit.
exactly this. i feel the same way. the company's other two honkai games are doing amazingly on this aspect, which makes me wonder why it even is a problem for genshin
At least it actually feels that way with some Characters in Fontaine as of recently
oh that's the biggest problem? I thought that was always the intentions from the start because world building focus style. these characters just a guide for us players to understand the world and why the travelers got caught up in teyvat fucked up world.
@@kuroro9589no the biggest problem is genshin impact story is still fucking incomplete . They are just extending it for views . When will they complete it? When gta 7 comes out?
@@secretunknown2782 are there any live service games other than Genshin that have complete story? I'm used to episodic stories from MMORPG like Ragnarok Online and they still continuing till now. Genshin is not MMO but it is live service game, so that's why I always thought this is live service nature. Never crossed on my mind that that is a game problem.
FINALLY SOMEONE ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE RECYCLED ANIMATIONS DURING DIALOGUE. IT'S ANNOYED ME FOR SO LONG I LITERALLY CANNOT TAKE "EMOTIONAL" MOMENTS SERIOUSLY.
SAME OMFG I HATE IT SM
IT'S A FUCKING GAME FROM A FUCKING BILLIONAIRE COMPANY, AND THEY STILL DON'T MAKE MINIMUM EFFORT?
@@dehyadiar It's not like they can't. For me it's just being efficient. Rigging and animating a character to do even simple pose take a considerable amount of effort. Even if Hoyoverse got enough manpower to finish animating for every quests that you play for like couple of hours then forget about them in the next 5 minutes, the game memory would become at least twice as much as what we're having now.
@@TriThanhNguyen-us7qi They don't mean they need a new animation for everything they speak. They just want some more animations to express a emotion. For example: when a character is sad, instead of doing the hand on head pose, actually make them look disappointed. Even 1 or 5 animations would make up for it.
@@dehyadiarTo be honest, now that I think about it, during the Sumeru archon quests, most of the characters use the same animations, like Alhaitham and Dehya and some other mercs.
@@dehyadiarsay that to the player’s device storage
Funniest thing to me is how sumeru's new human enemies are more creatively designed AND animated (even just idles) than the NPC's
Hard agree. I recently went through one of the exploration quests in Sumeru where some of the human 'enemies' were main characters and getting to see their designs and animations up close were pretty cool, i couldnt stop staring at them. too bad the quest ended with a cutscene of two characters just standing in the void thinking at each other- it was clearly supposed to be an emotional moment, but thanks to the lack of animation (and the fade to black w/text), it fell really flat.
some of them even looked more interesting than the playable characters
I thought the same too until you do a little bit of modding and port the character over. Once you can actually play as the Eremite enemies you realize they'd actually need to be adjusted and improved to meet the standards of the playable characters.
How about Fontaine now? The robot couples enemy looks creative
@@LolwhattheheckI really enjoy the fontaine storytelling. And sidechsracters (like dunphy from the musical group) do get a backstory.
But I also think it is a bit close to "Arcane", with Chevreuse looking like caitlyn from LOL and also heaving a rifle with headshot and beeing a police officer- who (like caitlyn in arcane) is looking in underground city to find drugsmugglers. coincidence?
I love the detective way of story telling.
I’m so mad that these limited time events didn’t become ACTUAL PERMANENT STORY QUESTS- I mean! Some of them are sooooo important! Geez Genshin… as a lore lover.. this really hurts me.
I don't think my phone has enough storage space for those event
If your a lore lover there are some archives on YT you can watch on their channel
@@Permiton see that's the problem, as mentioned in the the video you can view the lore on yt sure but you'd still miss out on other bits of lore as well as missing out on the experience itself
I just play this game and that is my biggest criticism of this game.I miss Albedo's or Fiscl's lore because I just play this game 4 or 5 years later.A lot of the new players also will undergo that
Yup. As an old player its so sad new players wont get to experience some of Genshins best storytelling...
On another note, Mihoyos answer to making important storylines limited,,, is to create no memorable storylines and events? I feel like during the whole of 4.x theres so little outside of the main story and exploration that I even remember - the events felt so bland.
This "solution" is even more upsetting than the problem :/
Here's a sentence that I hold dear deep in my fucking heart: "Genshin's story is actually good if it is told by someone else instead of experiencing it firsthand."
I'd rather hear the story from someone else than listening to Paimonial Expositional.
Same, Paimon's voice is just annoying atp, like please someone shove her back into the ocean
exactly like, we have eyes and ears we can listen to the characters talk and see how the story progresses. we're not fcking 5 year olds. we don't need a flying child to summarize every little detail to us
@@flyingcow5235 that's the problem, Hoyo thought that there are most probably less than 5 year olds playing this game.
-"RWBY- Genshin Impact is a good -show- game to write a Wiki about..." ~ Some TH-camr, probably.
Honestly? I think Genshin Impact shouldn't be a game, I think it should be a web series
I love how the point is for the lore to go super deep and be super unexpected, but somehow hoyoverse managed to fuck it up. There’s no mystery to uncover because NO ONE WILL TELL US A DAMN THING! Like Zhongli! Apparently he had dealings with Lumine in the past, but doesn’t even HINT at their history together, just says he can’t tell us! It’s like onion skin, but the onion skin is made of Kevlar.
You make a good point. It's probably so they don't write up the whole story all at once. But that excuse rings hollow when you can just come up with narrative points at which Aether confronts Zhongli about it and this ultimately causes a rift between the two of them. Or something along those lines. But it seems that the story barely wants to progress anyways.
I want some hint about paimon real identity after all these years.
Imagine traveler meet one archon,cutscene happen normally,but the archon keep sideglance to paimon and and occasionally stare at camera. And then they suddenly asking "traveler,do you ever wonder what exactly is your travel companion? Do you even ever see anything else like her in teyvat?
MC: well paimon is...paimon
Paimon: yeah paimon is paimon!
"...i see,so that's what happening here,there's no point i am asking that then,i think i just leave it like this for now"
*the archon suddenly shift his gaze toward paimon*
"I bet you're suprised i am asking that,isnt it? Well guess what "paimon" i am different from everyone,your little trick wont work on me,i dont know what your plan,but i just follow the story like usual for now"
Paimon: ...
@@tadicahya6439 I think the reason nobody brings it up is because Teyvat filled with all sort of creatures. You got gods, you got lesser gods, you got talking animals, you got talking dragons, you got Yokai in Inazuma, you got genies in Sumeru, you got demons. So on and so forth.
You got so many things that Paimon doesn't seem so odd anymore.
But what's odd is that we don't get to see her and the Traveler acting like friends that much. It's either bickering, bullying, forced "suck up to Paimon" options. Yet we're supposed to believe they're the best of friends?
@@فهدالدوسري-ح6ضexactly all these things you mentioned are plural and people always ask what they are when they encounter them firstly, Boreas, Dvalin,the Yokai, the Djins all of them have a form of background, but why don’t they do that with paimon?
Yet they choose to insult our intelligence when she introduces herself by saying “Paimon is Paimon” very silly.
@@pelumiogunlana1058
Now that you mention it, it's is quite insulting. Amber is the first and only person to question what she was, and Venti (voicelines) refer to her as a Pixie.
Other than that, we don't get told anything at all. Normally that wouldn't be too much of an issue.
But this is the so-called "Best Companion Ever!", this is the one we're forced to spend our whole journey with, yet we barely know anything about her.
We spent 3 years with her, but all we know about her is that she loves food, Mora, bullying and being judgemental.
Where did she come from? What was her life before we met her? Why doesn't she actually act like a guide instead of being as clueless as us?
We're supposed to be "The best of friends!" yet we barely know anything about her or the Traveler to begin with.
The worst animation i've seen is when characters walking/running towards us with janky animations, like they be running to us, stop, turn their heads to us, then turn their body, and then starts a conversation. It's the same when they leave; Stop conversation, head turns straight, turns their body, and then runs off.
...So they are basically like robots...
As I read this, the whole scenario came to life in my mind.
I’m honestly questioning why Aether wants to meet any more archons at this point. None of them can tell him anything, so why not just talk to Dain? Or better yet, kill abyss monsters until Lumine shows up.
Edit: AND NEITHER FURINA NOR NEUVILLETTE COULD TELL US ANYTHING EITHER
Thats exactly what Im thinking. They couldnt even come up with a good excuse they just said- play the game till the end and then you will get a continuation of the main plot
I've said the same thing so many damn times. If lumine is leader of the abyss order, why aren't we trying to investigate or find out more about the Abyss order as a whole instead of going to every nation playing errand boy and fixing everyone's problems and doing their damn taxes. The journey is supposed to be about finding our twin, I'd be fine with traveling to each nation if it had a PURPOSE or lined up with us reuniting with our twin. That's what's lacking in the story, purpose. We do everything for practically no reason and we're just supposed to go along with it.
Exactly, why even bother?
Just research about the abbys or something
That is why I am trying to understand dude why you are even doing this all shit. You know your sibling is with abyss research about abyss instead unless there is a good backstory for it as the same question was asked by scara to Traveler why they are even bothering to save sumeru
i mean there is the unknown god. he could be askin about that?
genshin main story loop:
>Traveler arrive on a new region
>traveler want to meet archon to ask info about his/her sibbling or his/her wereabout
>there are problems in the region
>there is a big crisis in the region
>traveler do chores
>traveler meet new native characters and NPCs
>traveler do chores
>traveler had bonding quest with certain character
>traveler do chores
>sometime traveler got manipulated by someone for their benefit
>traveler do chores
>traveler solve or help other chara solve ppl's problems
>traveler solve the big crisis (directly/indirectly)
>traveler meet the archon
>traveler ask about his/her sibling whereabout
>the archon can't tell him/her anything about his/her sibling for some freakin reason
>get a message from dainsleif
>back to previous region (Mondstadt)
>meet dainsleif
>do his quest
>got main objective progression (info about his/her sibling)
>got some lore dump
>repeat
going to other region become pointless for main character's objective, because everytime we meet archon, there isn't any progress in our main Objective. what make it worse: there isn't any skip or fast foward button, and the dialogue text are painfully slow and goddamn long
updates: at least they break the cycle in sumeru, but man... it's damn too late for me
and i don't want play Inazuma archon quest because they have bad pacing and nonsense story
Genshin NEEDS to re-do Inazuma.Also Sumeru was just the same with a _slightly_ better Story.
There were still many problems, but some genshin fans won't take any criticism anyways.
Sorry, if there was any error in my comment.
The dialogue was also horrible.
Yeah, the MC makes no sense as a character in the plot. The only person MC should trust says "don't trust them" and yet MC trusts them completely and does odd jobs all day and goes to festivals while sibling is missing. Even after learning about the abyss, continues without question to trust and go to festivals.
The festivals really annoy me.
@@nottyseel949 Same. Like, aren't you searching for your sibiling? why the fuck are you launching fireworks in Liyue? reading books in Inazuma? playing with balloons in Mondstat? It seems like he/she doesn't really care for their sibiling and just wanna have fun around.
Ah, yes. You want to learn about the character you're playing as? Read this fucking essay that only unlocks as you play as the character. Now, time for you to do a quest about NPC number 768's missing toilet cover that has so much meaning to him because it was his last gift from his wife. Oh, no no. We'll only give you 1/8th of a wish for wasting 45 mins of your time on a pointless quest
@@BudgieCute if i have to search for someone in the internet to explain their story. That is a failure in storytelling
I think the major problem is that genshin's writing is very childish (as in "minions" or other cartoons aimed at toddlers). And it works for the first two regions because the plot mostly revolves around fantasy tropes and maintains a high fantasy mood. But everything collapses when writers take on more serious topics, such as politics and civil war, with massacres and war crimes, or when they try to play on psychological grounds, retaining the same childish writing.
By simplifying the electro archons dynamic w her puppet to being “parental” when it literally wasn’t harms so much nuances on her end that no one talks about because everyone accepted the unrequited familial bond scara harbors
I'd argue with "it works for the first two regions". Sure, it does work for the main story, but there are two quests in particular that really frustrated me.
First, remember that guy in Xiangling quest that slept in ice for 300 years? Imagine the despair he felt realizing all his friends and loved ones are long gone, the world around him has changed dramatically. Oh wait, you guys are doing a cooking showdown? Guess I'll just forget about my whole life!
The second quest is Xingqiu's one. We're walking through Liyue, spending millions buying out Cor Lapis that was reserved for Snezhnaya, just because one guy gets harassed. Sure, that won't affect economics nor Snezhnaya-Liyue relationships, cuz who cares about Snezhnaya, they have Fatui and Fatui are the bad guys!
The whole Genshin story is so infantile that I just can't understand people that say they are playing it for the plot.
@@artemiisolovyev8531 well, the entire quest is lighthearted and this guy Is basically the Squirrel from 'Ice age'. Sure, it would be interesting if the plotline of the quest explored the despair you mentioned. But also it would disrupt the flow of the questline instead of just playing this for the gags.
And for the fatui, you damn right. Especially considering that it's in Mondstadt the fatui directly attacked the archon and faced no retaliation at all. Everyone just covered it up. Or not covered up, but completely neglected it. Although... it should be noted, fatui wasn't *that* bad back at the beginning. I mean, there were not much information of their intervention.
But the later overall neglect of the fatui actions is just underwhelming. They can do whatever they want on foreign soil: lie about their involvement, experiment on people, attack archons and just overally put at risk public safety. And nobody have questions for them nor Snezhnaya authorities.
@@laytonvicars4606 If you want good politics in a fantasy video game, I'd suggest the Crossbell duology of the Kiseki series. The political relations between Crossbell State and its two suzerains and the two superpowers of the continent of Zemuria, the Republic of Calvard and the Erebonian Empire, are really compelling. It actually touches on the issues of Crossbell's sovereignty in a way that Mihoyo wishes they could write.
Mihoyo actually takes inspiration from the Trails series, as Star Rail's director confirmed. I mean, HSR's combat system is just Trails without orbments or movement. Asta's staff is just like the orbal staves of Kiseki. The Fatui is just Teyvat's version of the Secret Society of Ouroboros in Zemuria.
So they understand what good worldbuilding looks like, but fail to understand why it's good.
Goddamn. That’s some crazy hyperbole. Crank it down a bit and I might be able to take you seriously.
I think a strange thing about Genshin is that it can't seem to decide how seriously it's taking itself. The story is so interesting to me, but parts like the whole existence of Paimon or the variety of plot-holes, when juxtaposed against the darker elements of backstory and lore, just don't make sense.
its cuz some stuff has yet to be explained yet like paimon, paimon will eventually get explained mostlikely through archon quests but ti'll probably be awhile due to her big importance to the story I imagine. As for backstory and lore I cant expect them to all show that when its not what theyre focused on and more likely pushing the story forward with characters and world.
@@kingalex105x7 that's fair! I understand that. But I think a lot of what Paimon says, and her presence? vibes? whatever you wanna call it lol alter the tone of the story in a weird way. Then again, that's also within genre expectations, so I guess I can't really judge that part objectively. I personally have my doubts about most theories on Paimon, but I never really dwell on theories anyway so I don't have much to say on that.
@@maryshen1418 yea most people in the story write her off as a fairy, pet and junk which is I think a common thing they see like xiangling having a red panda thats not native, or Oz. Paimon is just something like em people think (I think albedo thinks something similar in his quest).
I personally believe paimon is some sort of seelie as new info makes it feel more probable
@@kingalex105x7 I think that's a theory that could happen (I don't know that much about seelie lore, but Paimon's definitely a special creature of some kind). On that note though, Hoyo could do a better job about making the origin stories of Guoba or Albedo a *permanent* thing, because... that's pretty important xD
@@maryshen1418 its not important to the main story, more just important to the character like a fun fact tbh. I do wish Albedo's quest was permanent but in the end it just worked to expand on him & others but not much on something that wont be explained later in the main story.
Now that you mention animations half way to the end, Klee used to had a unique walking animation during the beta, and even Rosaria had a unique animation when she draws out her Polearm when selecting "Weapons" in the character menu, Hoyoverse just doesn't likes something that's "Unique"
I've seen Klee's animation! Super adorable. Not to mention Rosaria's spear kick which was very cool. gave her a bit more flavor.
Amber also had an unique idol!
Pretty sure they got rid of Klee’s animation because people thought it was problematic? Idk how true it was. (People said it was too sexual?) but that’s just rumours I heard.
I think it's more a case of "Genshin is just a passive income generator for us to make Honkai 3rd and Star Rail cooler"
@@Glaycierhow could a child being cute be sexual!!!?
My one issue with Genshin Impact is that despite Teyvat being an entire world, all of the nations seem sectioned off, and the archons and lesser divinities don't interact with each other. The most we got was Venti who healed Xiao's Karmic debt.
I'm our real world, nations are intentionally or unintentionally effecting each other all the time. Like a trash island forming in the Pacific, the gulf of Mexico's oil spill, the trans Atlantic slave trade, the spreading of religion all across the world.
People in Liyue don't talk about the Anemo Archon, people in Inazuma don't talk about the Geo archon or his Yaksha. In a world where Gods exist and there was a literal war of gods over territory disputes, we don't see the subtle impulses and effects on each other that truly make Teyvat seem like a living world.
How cool would it be if some of the mountain tops Barbatos terraformed became islands in Inazuma? Or if Rukkedhevata helped Makoto and Isteroth create the Thunder Sakura tree? One TH-camr, I think Ashikai made a theory that Xiao is originally from Sumeru, that would be cool to explore.
This is so true, hopefully they will expand on the relationship between nations
This, inazuma locked down and trapped foreign citizen and somehow the other country including their own archon didnt make an effort to evacuate the people the only one that do everything is the genshin russian empire
A good example of your idea is the story about Morax's iconic osmanthis wine line, which is talking about how Morax used to invite the original archons to Liyue to ( i think?) drink wine and just have a good time and now Zhongli is reminiscing about those times and how every og archon is gone (besides venti)
i thought tevyavt was just a continent
still waiting for the mora drought, and people protesting to liyue
I do think that the Sumeru Archon quest rectifies things *just* a little bit. For example, we've only gotten the first two parts and it did a good job talking about the role of the Dendro archon in the region along with actually bringing up Collei's past (although in passing).
I agree when it comes to the archon quest. At least for now. If you recall I gave a positive reception when it came to the first half of Inazuma. It wasn't until the second half where I became disappointed by the story. I'm really hoping the second half of Sumeru lives up to the hype. And when you say they brought up Collei's past; are you referring to when her past was told to us and not shown? That particular part is still one of the biggest issues in this game.
@@greenlineessays Collei's story was told to us by Tighnari, who doesn't really know how Collei looked like whe she was young or Dottore or the Fatui who experimented on her, so it's natural that it was not shown to us.
Shenhe's story was actually shown to us because the storyteller Yunjin finds out about the God she was sacrificed to and who saved her, she knows about them. Genshin may not have proper execution of their story sometimes but this was logical.
@@aniketgupta8988 To be fair, they didn't explain what happened in mondstat with the fatui attack, but this is just 3.0, so maybe we will see it later.
@@greenlineessays based on the trailer for 3.1 the next part of the Sumeru story looks good
@@hoppie4263 It does!!!
The biggest gripe I have with this game's story is plot relevance. Genshin does not try to justify anything that happens at all. You, the player, are expected to just go along with it and care about characters you have no reason to care about(as cool as they are I have no reason to get emotionally invested in these characters the writers won't justify it). It's the most egregious kind of railroading, where the writer is more concerned with distracting you with all their cool characters and settings rather than telling a cohesive story. The long drawn out dialogue(seriously a lot of what these characters say can be summarized we don't need a whole essay of dialogue to understand what's going on), the shoehorned characters, useless exposition--it all screams "I am trying to waste your time".
Dont say it. Dont say it
Im gona say it
Vivziepop writing
Yet another problem that stems from Genshin being a gacha game. Playable characters are written in a way to encourage players to pull for them, and nothing more. Any character that isn't playable is of course already in the trash bin. I find it really funny how the majority of female characters just end up in the "moe" trope, including but not limited to A GODDESS
@@neneppie ...which i find weird, because i would be more invested in pulling their characters if they were actually interesting and well-thought-out.
@@niicespiice you're in the minority, it seems, so it's not that weird
Well I think the reason they expect you to care about characters is their gameplay/ voicelines...
I remember back in the day people were, actually, very excited about characters. I personally loved Beido because of her voicelines and cool ult, same with my main, Razor (yeah I used Jp dub lol).
Like how everyone likes Hu-Tao for the megumin VA and that one idle animation of her holding the ghost (shit's só fking cute)
Also part of the reason everyone went bonkers over Dehya being bad.
Problem is that it just doesn't quite cut it enough, especially with how many characters are out there now.
Also it always felt like we were just waiting for "our character's" moment to shine in the story, but then we see they'll just keep adding and focusing on new ones.
I've stopped playing this game for about two years now, only occasionally loging back to check it... And it's pretty sad actually, I used to care about the OG characters but never got anything from that
Kaeya is an important character because he is from khaenriah BUT EVEN SO IT IS NEVER MENTIONED OR EXPLORED IN THE STORY?? Its like they forgot about it
No, no. Surely they will add some story for him in like, five years! Right!?
My bet is that they don't want to give away to finale too early. Characters like Albedo and Kaeya had their stories teased because I think we'll be returning to Mondstadt once the final chapter rolls around
@@greenlineessays you're not off the mark, yeah 5 years
exactly. i hate how they tease all this huge stuff and then expect us to still care or remember years later when they finally decide to elaborate.
Maybe they gonna set up a story where characters surprised that he's khaenriah or maybe the writer decide for "oh i'm born from there but i never grew up there so i have no memories of it, sorry cant help!"
I think the fundamental issue, which also affects it’s gameplay loop, is that Genshin is a game with hundreds of hours of content but tries to make you stay around for thousands. And they’re not gonna use up all the good stuff in the beginning only to then drag it’s corpse for another 10 years, so instead it’s spread out for it’s entire lifetime while they pad it out with filler to make it last.
It’s somewhat a consequence of it’s gacha model, where their long-term income is dependent on how long they can keep the boat afloat. In fact, I think most of the game’s major flaws are a result of the gacha in one way or another. I do believe though that they are intending to make use of the lore for future quests. We’ve started seeing that being the case with certain quests like the Tsurumi Island one.
Ultimately, they simply want the story to go on for like a decade so they can keep business going. And putting out new meaningful content every 6 weeks isn’t particularly easy, so inevitably they end up cutting corners in a lot of areas even if that doesn’t respect the players time very much.
Drogonspine, tsurumi & enkanomiya pure lore.
Clever thought, I also noticed it
Genshin has an awful game design, where instead of making few hours of costant good content, does crumbles of good content inside hours of trash.
It helps to keep the hype high, and the game alive.
Kinda reminds me of Ubisoft lol.
Fuck live service games, that's why I prefer games with a proper ending.
However, I love how gacha systems work: patiently grinding to then pull all in one go is hella satisfying, but everything that revolves around gacha is terrible, microtransactions and bad content...
Would have gladly preferred if Genshin was a paid game with around 60 costant good hours... but a business model like this doesn't last in China :/
They can mitigate the dmg a bit though if they even bothered to try. Yes the gatcha pretty much screwed them in terms of story but it was and still is salvageable. Talk to any number of the fans and they can give you some nice ideas for the story. Simply put Hoyoverse doesnt know or just refuses to make any meaningful changes to the story and lore. I mean they dont even give the Traveler a personality or voice lines during the main quest, how lazy and bad can you be to make the mc as boring as they are.
good description. it totally feels that way.
@@FireClare The traveler has a personality. I agree that its delivery is lackluster, but even in the main story you can see that they are not a blank slate.
If you actually listen to the voiceovers it becomes pretty obvious.
Raiden did a homicide, Start a war in Inazuma, Literally take people will to live and Ei turn a blind eye to it and Yet no one bother to hold her accountable.
Same thing with Childe the guy almost did a homicide by wiping out the city, Attacked the jade palace with his troop, Try to kill us and Yet some how we are friend with him
I hate to say this but Signora tragic backstory deserved to be show more than this, They just did her dirty.
And that really does say something about the writing doesn't it? Normally in a story you'd see consequences of people's actions. Basic cause-and-effect. You would think that during that Inazuma event that Childe might've even been wanted by the government. Specifically I'm talking about the labyrinth event with Xinyan. And you would think that Raiden might have to go into hiding and retire given the events of the Archon quest. But nothing ever feels like it moves naturally from one plot point to the next.
Remember Rukkhadevata? They had to write in the story that people would forget about her. Why? That sounds like multiple quests worth of story that they could tap into. But they couldn't be bothered because we just need to get to the next region. Nahida's trauma? Who cares? The fact that this might lead to a possible civil war? Not interesting enough. The fact that this would take us multiple months and story progression that could have been the majority of 2023 is actually astounding. It's astounding because the writers completely squandered it, or perhaps I should say the executive team. Genshin could have a compelling story, but refuses to tell it.
The same with ZhongLi. If I remember correctly, he admitted directly to us that he agreed to the potential deaths of a whole city _(*his* people in _*_his_*_ land that revere _*_him_*_ so much)_ by making that deal with Signora...because he was indecisive about retiring. I don't get why the MC isn't iffy around him after that, at the very least MC expresses wariness around Childe occasionally.
@@FruitCapoeira And Yet somehow we are friend with Zhongli the guy who got us into trouble by faking his death and abandoned his duty. I mean the first impression i got from the god of contracts is him broke the contract and tricked his people.
Who is going to hold a god accountable?
Same thing with scaramouche, did bad things, tried to kill us, insult us, poisoned us and many other things. Then he decides to erase himself from history and I thought it was interesting to see what he was like in his "innocent" past form and how we were going to deal with that. But no, his memories were brought back and he's now the same asshole that he was in his past version (oh i forgot, in past """reincarnation""") it looks like mihoyo did the same thing they made with Raiden and Ei. Explaining better, its more like: "look guys raiden is the bad one not the ei!!! cuz she's the silly uwu god waifu!!!" and this happened with scaramouche, it's just kind of shit cuz wanderer (someone who should represent scaramouche's reincarnation) has scaramouche's memories, as if it's a bad thing to erase someone who literally tried to kill you, even tho I'm a fan of wanderer I still hate his rude personality and also seeing that personality itself being portrayed as "tsundere behavior" just pisses me off. All these things makes it seem like just a shit move to make the character playable without him being the villain, because "villains are bad >:((((" and without removing the "essence" of the character even though is literally what i said before...THE WANDERER IS THE FRICKIN' REINCARNATION OF SCARAMOUCHE!!! (ie: Scaramouche ≠ Wanderer)...jeez they practically don't even care about the game's lore these days, they just want a way to get your money.
Remember when Kazuha finally got a story quest and people actually thought we would get backstory? Yeah. The fact we got more backstory to a character in a LIMITED EVENT is so sad and tbh very frustrating, imagine new players coming to the game in version 4.5 and having to 1) play through all the regions and not being able to level characters and 2) having no clue about important story parts
we already had his backstory though, what else is left to tell? most of the characters that were prominent in the main quest already had their moment so their story quest is just hanging out with them, which is what they were probably going for anyways
To me, Kazuha came to Guyun, explained about his friend who died and went away. Returned as backup sent by Ayato and went away, never to be seen again. I started in 4.0.
@@leen1705 Deadass, the game explained his background about his family falling into ruin like 4 times, at least 2 of those times being via LTEs (Irodori Festival and Golden Apple Archipelago 2022 to be specific).
Pretty much every time it was explained it introduced a new detail a la "Oh, did you know this also happened? That's _crazy,_ right?"
@@SageRuffin i guess I'll watch youtube videos of those LTEs then🥹
This isn't about the story, just the quest. They reward you with a sword, that doesn't even work with Kazuha. He needs EM but they made it ATK%.
y'all know the ol' good rule:
if the cutscene doesn't have audio, *IT DOESN'T MATTER*
Preach!
Noooo!!! Jeeehtt!!!😭😭😭
Those are actually my favorite because the characters don't make those annoying sounds the anime characters started doing for some reason
@@justsomeone883Jeht's quests go by SO much faster because i dont have to hear the dialogue. I can go as fast as my reading speed takes me
Excuse you why do you have to invalidate Jeht’s story arc like that?
If I’m being honest, I think the main problem with its story is that it feels like we’re playing two different storylines one about finding our sister and one about helping the nations it doesn’t feel like we learn anything new when we actually get information about the abyss if anything, it just leaves us with more questions and sometimes they don’t even try to justify the actions of characters who where are enemies at some point, for example ei she put her nation in constant torture, and fear all for the title of eternity only to find out that it’s either meaningless, or there are different parts of it and scara even though he redeemed himself as the wanderer it’s still feels like he should be held accountable for his actions he actually slaughter people
They tried too hard redeeming them. For sure Ei is cute, pretty and have nice booba but it doesnt excuse what she did to people of inazuma
@@shutup1037 right they just brushed it off
@@shutup1037for me they treated well scara with his redemption ei no but scara yes
Y.E.S.
The main story (wandering the 7 nations to find your sibling) screeches to a halt whenever dainsleif appears on screen with his quests that are barely consequential to the rest of the plot. And it doesn't just ruin the flow of the story, but its very purpose.
YOU FOUND YOUR SIBLING. HE'S THERE, TALK TO HIM.
Why do I care about the next 4 nations if my supposed objective is guaranteed to be in neither of them?
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Also, F those "redemption arcs"
* "Yes, I tried to kill thousands, but I was just following orders. Also, did you know I have a little brother?"
* "I was just being tricked uwu"
* "Wdym I didn't even have a redemtpion arc, I deleted myself from existence to absolutely no consequence!"
Just... just let me play an evil character. Childe is a psychopath, I don't care about his brother, he didn't get redemption points for that, just don't even try and give me an interesting story to him. Raiden is a dumbass and a tyrant; make the rest of her story her redeeming arc, don't make up excuses. A date? Really?
Same with wanderer. Make him, you know... wander. Like, with us. Travel across the world and learn that humans aren't all traitors and backstabbers, and that he can still find joy in life despite his best attempts at being a massive knob.
@@MrMe917 YESSS even though I ei and wanderer The storytelling with inazuma, was just straight up horrendous is the plot didn’t really make any sense and the pacing was not it at all I guess you could argue that the shogun puppet was the main reason inazuma was suffering since ei was just meditating in her own consciousness, but if anything that just makes it worse, I mean, she kind of neglected her duties as being the Archon of inazuma and left it to a robotic killer it is nice to see that she’s becoming a better archon currently but she should still properly apologize to her people as for wanderer he’s just a straight dumb ass for real tge first two betrayals were understandable, because his own mother neglected him, and his own friend died because of the fatui but to hate humanity, just because a child was sick and died was honestly just straight up idiotic. How was he supposed to fight that illness off? how was he supposed to survive without any proper care? I’m telling you if there’s one thing that he inherited from ei is that they don’t think clearly Fr and I want to talk about the story now that were in Fontaine. It feels like it’s connecting all together now with Sumeru when we did the dain quest in 3.5 it felt like it was actually part of the main plot of our journey so the game is improving on it storytelling it’s just on terms of character development not doing a necessary. Good job to me I feel like evil or psychotic characters can only be playable if they have a proper redemption arc im just happy Furina isn’t a Archon who’s making life horrible for her people when I mean by that is that she’s not overly opposing them or sentencing them to death The people in Fontaine seem to really have faith in her it’s just her main problem is that she doesn’t know how to properly handle the nation like she’s supposed to so maybe later on in the story, she’ll learn how to do things like that now I want to talk about future redemption arc’s specifically the tsaritsa now it doesn’t really seem like she has done anything bad in fact, I’m pretty sure she’s just in snezhnaya letting the other harbengers do there thing so I feel like she’ll have a proper redemption arc BUT the fact that she’s letting psychotic serial killers with their own motives into other nations causing trouble is honestly just disrespectful to the other archons she really doesn’t have the right to tell murderers to steal take or cause havoc upon the seven nations if I’m gonna be honest if all of the seven Archons ever meet in one place in the archon quest I feel like ei furina and murata wouldn’t exactly at kindly or want anything to do with the tsaritsa with venti zhongli and nahida they two of them knew her before the cataklysm and most likely agree on her opinion of Celestia, just not on her ways of doing so and nahida will probably act kindly to the tsaritsa but will still be cautious. That’s all I have to say.
I found the story to be a complete dumpster fire since day 1.
The story seemed far too focused on telling, not showing, and backstory over actual development. It also had the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Sad to see that never changed.
trash take idiot
Telling, not showing is Genshin's modus operandi fr fr
I remember in Mona’s lines she says “In his destiny Kaeya will lose someone important to him and he will have to change” or something, and now I look back on that and laugh. He won’t lose anything, he’ll never even be in a plain plot cutscene again.
A few friends of mine tried to convince me the story was good. Even in 2021, I thought it was so dull…
Honestly I think people just saw it with a rose-tinted glasses back then; Genshin was at the peak of when people had nothing to do, when most people have barely played a heavily open-world game, and when the idea of it being free alongside it was unheard of.
Well apart fron Fontaine's Archon Quest, everything is kinda meh
Paimon:
1. She trivializes absolutely everything she comes across. Dialogues that may otherwise be interesting, if for no other reason than because they at least *concern* important events, are rendered completely unbearable because this floating screechy fairy has to rehearse EVERYTHING we just heard in the most infantile anti-humoristic way imaginable. Genshin's storytelling would be about 40% better if they JUST removed Paimon from the game completely.
2. What exactly is the point of a silent protagonist, if you're going to have Paimon just talk *instead* of you? Normally, a silent protagonist is there because the developers want you to project your own opinions and choices onto the character you're playing. This is completely moot in Genshin because you don't really have a choice in how you want to express yourself, you're just silently selecting Aether's / Lumine's lines. So instead of just having Zach and Sarah actually do their jobs, you have this... thing do all the talking for you; which leads me to the 3rd point.
3. Not only are we not able to actually take advantage of the silent protagonist, nor do we actually get to feel like Aether / Lumine are real people, Paimon is essentially *forcing* you to have her opinion. The Traveler just acquiesces to whatever Paimon is saying and the entire game bends to whatever Paimon decides for you. So you're sitting there watching the entire game unfold and all the characters relate to you according to how Paimon (mis)represents you because that's totally our shared opinion haha, right Traveller? *Blows your eardrums out from the screeching*
Paimon isn't just bad, her concept is honestly completely insulting. Hoyo is literally treating you like a baby.
I was treated like a dumb kid in Genshin compared to Honkai star rail and other games. I have other reasons why I stop playing Genshin but how they deliver on the story is one of them.
I still think that this Game would be more succesfull and respected if the didn't imoronted that fking awful character arround every dialogue, i agree about it, theres nothing redeemable in paymon, the design it's ugly and weird (it looks like it has diapers or something) the voice it's gratting on any dub, and the dialogues and personality are infuriating, i would like to knlw who came with tbe idea and design for such awful character, the only logic reason its it was an employed tjat hated working for mihoyo and wanted to punish then creating the worst character companion i can remember in videogames
What's worse is that they have her speak for us even when the quest isn't even voiced. I could understand having Paimon speak for us in voiced quests because paying two voice actors to say the sameish lines is a lot. They're a million dollar corporation and can totally afford to do that but I could at least understand it.
Okay so.. first thing, Paimon can be annoying and yes the game is forcing you to agree with her BUTTTTT Aether and Lumine are not your normal Silent Protagnists. You think there is a choice in their dialogue but there really isn’t. They have their own personalities and such. Most of the dialogue you THINK to get to choose is really just a pieces of a sentence the traveler said. The Traveler has their own feelings. You can’t project your feelings onto the Traveler because the Traveler IS it’s own character! Just how the other characters in the game are their own characters. The game is basically saying, you’re not part of this story. You are simply spectating Traveler’s journey.
@RyouYamadakin Yeah, that's cool. It's too bad we never really get to know the travellers' opinions or prospects on things because Paimon does all the talking.
Genshin's biggest problem is that they're trying to be everything at once. A gacha game, an open world game, a fantasy with joyful tropes game, a dark game about war and psychological stuff, a character driven game, LIKE PICK A FEW !!!! There's so much content you're overwhelmed so except if you're really passionate you won't even bother to explore everything in depth and you'll miss out genuinly interesting things because of the overload of information
It doesn't help that a lot of the information the game tries to give you is the same exact information it already gave you like not even 2 minutes ago half the time.
Sometimes not even a sentence away, spoken by a different person.
Usually in a voice so annoying you want to punt the person saying it back into the fucking ocean.
Not naming any specific character of course.
@@Technature7567 omg this...or the fact that a shit ton of lore and world exploration goes through npcs you don't give 2 shits about. We should have more lore related characters !!
I feel like stuff like that can be executed. FGO is a Gacha game that Has a very good story (once it picks up), which can go dark, but also can have moments of fun (especially in the events). The only thing different is that FGO is more so a Visual Novel with turn-based combat sections.
Out of all the comments here yours is the best take. Seriously though, I love the dark parts of Genshin that's what gets me into the game
@@ouroboros6738 ty and yes i agree !! Genshin suffers from so many issues when it could be one of the best games out there if only it focused on some things. Though at the core of it all, a lot of problems originate from the fact they want to make money and make people spend as much time as possible on the game. The constant character releases despite them not bringing anything to the narrative, the farming system, the character designs of female characters especially, the length of world quests, the lore important TIME LIMITED events....all of this is so you log in everyday and spend money, if you can
Another problem I would like to add with the traveler is that the game tried to treat the traveler as the silent protagonist. Now this would be fine as great silent protagonist like Link exist. Except there's one problem: It has been established since the BEGINNING OF THE GAME that the traveler could talk. HOW CAN YOU HAVE A SILENT PROTAGONIST IF THE PROTAGONIST IS ESTABLISHED TO BE ABLE TO TALK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. But yeah as someone who used to play Genshin I'll just say it Genshin's storytelling is just a mess. Liyue definitely has the best story though.
The worst part is that it is not just eshtablished, you are talking. Like when you choose the from the two "different" optuons you are talk.
And I disagree, Liyue quest is increadibly infurating as thematicly is a mess.
I never really liked silent protagonists for the most part, to be honest. There are exceptions like Isaac Clarke from Dead Space 1 and The Doomslayer who already tells you everything you need to know through his actions and gestures alone (I have never played The Legend of Zelda, so can't have an opinion of Link), but for the most part? Yeah, silent protags in non RPG games just feel dull. Which makes Genshin's "feat" of failure with its silent protag even more impressive because it has role playing elements. That's what happens when you try to "hybrid" Role Playing capacity with giving the videogame's Main Character a defined personality or identity. It just does NOT mesh well and Fallout 4 is right there for proof of it.
Honestly, they should've just followed the Honkai Impact 3rd route and just have a well established cast of characters or protagonists who do not serve to get detracted by a walking void blanket.
@@mekingtiger9095 Eh, Dead Space Remake showed that Isaac being able to talk actually improves the game's story a _lot_ since it gives his character more agency. Half the objectives in the game got changed from other people ordering Isaac around to Isaac himself figuring out what to do. Which works because he's an engineer, figuring it out is basically his area of expertise
@@DreamyAileen Thats becuase the concept of Dead Space went from Horror to Action shooter during the remake process, contrast this with the System Shock remaster and you see what I mean. Silent protagonists can work but you need a dedicated writing team with people who actually care, writing the story and the characters. The Remake team were tasked with doing their jobs, and they did. The money speaks for itself.
listen, I hate it too- it's really annoying-
most people say it's because traveler never managed to actually learn Teyvat's language (i'll be honest just read traveler's "about languages" dialogue and you'll find that Paimon already taught them-) but with other contradictions im not sure if that's the case.
An important note also is that "backstory" is not the same as "storytelling". Good storytelling is when the backstories of the characters influence the action and consequences of their actions throughout the story, as well as how each characters actions influences each other. Imagine if Game of Thrones had every character doing their own thing and they rarely talk to each other. That's Genhin's story. You're in one bubble then moving on to the next, and each individual events doesn't seem to work towards any collective whole. But ultimately, we really can't forget that this is a gacha game made by people who only make gacha games, and the story is just a means to sell banners. Much like League of Legends or Overwatch.
League of Legends has a super expansive world with a lot of history and backstory etc.
At least LoL and Overwatch has more interesting stories to tell
Genshin Impact's storytelling is just painful.
@@gavinattalahadiyan325 Ikr, I mean just look at Arcane, by comparison Genshin's upcoming anime is going to be all show and no substance.
@@gavinattalahadiyan325 I think when it is the smaller quest Genshin have some nice, not to colicated storise. Like in Inazuma the Sakura Treee Purfication quest, or the Human Sacroficing villige, or the Namless Smurai. For me this quest were the best, ebcause they are simple but effective and they building the world. + They are allowed to be tragic or sad.
Believe it or not but Mihoyo used to be pretty darn good at telling stories with their manga.
The worst part about the Traveler not talking during the quests, is the fact that they HAVE those lines VOICED when you replay the audio from the quest.
What do you mean? The traveler lines are text only in the replay too.
Where?
The ‘limited time event lore drops’ is honestly such a big problem. As most of the characters development comes from those limited events, it doesn’t give them the chance for them to develop properly. I think fischl and monas friendship is BIG proof of that. The fact they were acting so cute together (in a sibling way) in summer fantasia (getting concerned for each other, being playful etc) but in the current Mond event 1. New players could be confused because their friendship was only covered in LIMITED EVENTS and 2. They act like summer fantasia never happened. Which the devs are probably trying not to talk about things that happened in past events, but its really inconsistent. I really hope they improve in the future because the stories were becoming so unbearable (with the small exception of the sumeru archon quests, but it’s still a small step up). That’s just my opinion though
Imagine having a setup for a great character lore and leave it in the “story” section via text (that you can only unlock by reaching friendship levels aka play the character for weeks and weeks) and do NOTHING with it in the main quest, story quests or even quests. Am I right, Chongyun? A boy with an overwhelming amount of the Yang energy (the energy of the dragon in the Chinese mythology and oh what a coincidence that Chongyun has dragon eyes, pff surely it can’t be implying anything about this guy) and who belongs to the clan of goddamn exorcists who’s been fighting demons alongside Xiao for centuries. Maybe wanna give attention to them? You know, there are a lot of demons in Liyue, could’ve explored a lot about Genshin’s lore. Eyy, remember his aunt? His aunt, Shenhe. The aunt he met in her trailer. What? You didn’t know they are relatives because Shenhe never met her nephew in the game? They didn’t even MENTION each other in any quest? Oh how unfortunate, guess we can’t let them meet, because Chongyun is too busy being a yasmen to Xingqiu’s bullshlt. It’s so important for him to just… stand here with Xingqiu, rarely opening his mouth. Pff this stuff is more important than the conclusion to Shenhe's arc of belonging to human world. Surely her kind and pure relative couldn’t have supported her through her journey of finding her place. This is ALSO more important than exploring Chongyun’s and Xiao's relationship and for Chongyun to finally prove himself to the person he admires and finally let him exorcise an evil spirit making his life’s dream come true. Naaah, clearly not gonna do any of that bullshlt. Let’s rerun Jean’s story quest for 100th time by giving it to Keqing after Ganyu, Kokomi, Noelle and whoever else just had the same story not long ago, that’s where the REAL development at, right? What you didn’t want to see Keqing being overworked once? How about seeing it TWICE?!
Or okay, you might say that Chongyun is a 4-star, he is not supposed to get that much attention (yeah sure, Xiangling being a star to most Liyue events but okay) let’s have a look at Ayato. You know. The head of the Kamisato clan! You remember him, right? Ayaka’s older brother! Yeah, what about him? What role did he play in the archon quest? Can’t wait to see this dude pulling strings to help us get closer to the Sho-… oh wait. What do you mean he doesn’t appear in the quest at all? Where the hell is he?! The Sakoku decree is still up, where the hell did he go?! Why isn’t he there when his sister needs him? A daughter of the Kamisato family who is supposed to play a big role in the archon quest but she doesn’t do anything aside from sitting on her butt and worrying. Do you like that for your favorite characters? Five star characters no less.
We have incomplete characters that are intriguing on paper but they never had enough attention or hoyoverse were wasting their screen time to drag the story and not to explore characters. Because why would we flesh out characters that have long-going stories and rich lore when we can drag already finished characters to the point they start getting annoying. Right, Kazuha? Am I right? The dude who was the best written Inazuma character, actually important to the plot, actually completed his arc and became fan favorite? Well why don’t we listen to the story of the Kaedehara clan for three times straight. Why don’t we dedicate this character’s story quest to a fcking sword? We sure couldn’t find a better way to spend our time am I fcking right?!
I agree with everything you mentioned. Every point hits like a bullet. Too bad we will never be heard. Hoyoverse have too much money to care.
broo you are a god, one of the things that annoys me the most in genshin is that they managed to make an EXORCIST DRAGON BOY boring, which honestly is beyond insane imo
THIS. Many interesting characters arent given attention or fleshed out at ALL. It feels just ...lazy as hell😭 there's so many amazing lore-based theories that are just never gonna be explored. To this day there is people who dont know how Scaramouche was created (yknow, a character that's been so hyped for so long??) Because it's an artifact story. Even seen ppl who dont know where Kaeya is from, etc. Same with so many characters and potentially important plot details that are just not explored as they should be. Rlly just makes the characters feel shallow unless you put actual effort into reading all their lore from external sources, cuz OFC the story isn't gonna tell you shit.
Thank you for highlighting the lack of acknowledgement for the exorcist dragon boy
ayato is such a waste because he sounds so intriguing, he plays the comissioner role so well and could’ve been a really key player on the archon quest and yet they barely even CITE him
what does he get? a random ass quest about a WEDDING that ISNT HIS to begin with, he does literally NOTHING important, his whole existence has no effect
@TooSoon 123 I still can't believe that people were so hyped for Ayato and now people mostly just fill him with headcanons because he is that wasted and bland in the game that nobody cares for canon Ayato. You'll only see fanon in the media. It's such a massive disappointment.
Genshin is a fucking treasure trove of potential that’s all kinda wasted. A mid game with a few really good bits. When the Genshin anime comes out I hope it’s kinda like arcane where it’s not a direct adaptation, but instead focuses on a few characters and tells a new interesting story.
Kinda sad that GI anime hasn't been made yet and Arcane has a season 2 trailer already
We're gonna have our 3rd year anniversary and we still don't have a skip button.
Skip button as our anniversary reward!
Please just give me the skip button. Mihoyo's writing for this game is so bad I don't even care about the story anymore
Thank God. I thought I was insane when I realized how tedious and boring the storytelling is, when apparently everybody loved it. Are people just used to the bare minimum or what.
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For me, I only find the non-voiced quests boring, but the voiced ones are actually quite good, at least for me that is.
Yes
The ONLY reason i know about a FEW lore bits like jean and barbara being sisters and diluc and kaeya being stepbrothers are videos like this. This game feels like an anime that cut out so much of the manga to the point that theres whole characters gone
I wish genshin was like honkai where the characters feel alive, important, have personality and make me actually care.
I'm sad of the lost potential for many characters especially kokomi and ayato I was so excited to see them move around.
Characters are super important in a story, it's what makes honkai story so great. Even the villains the community has some respect for them, that's the impact they've made. Seeing sumeru story pass I have some hope of it becoming better.
umm Honkai is more focused to the story between Character,and Genshin focussing to the Story of The World,so it's different fundamental.
If you love World Build aspect in the Story just like me, Genshin is a great story to read,but if you love the emotional than Honkai is better
@@sayyidash-habussunan here's the thing the world is definitely unique but I'm having a hard time even caring for the world when many of the characters feel flat. Characters are always important in the story, in every story told that includes genshin story. Characters is what makes the world be alive. I think the biggest improvement they can do is to make sure characters especially one that are meant to be important in the world actually feel like they matter in this world, giving them highlights and roles that show of their impact. The world shouldn't be the only one driving the narrative some characters should also have a hand on doing so like archons.. with sumeru I see a big improvement and I hope to see it improve more
@@sayyidash-habussunan not true, I get more world building from honkai compare to genshin BY FAR, relative to its release schedule. honkai just have characters and story on top of that.
You might want to take that back since Honkai's story telling is beginning to fall apart and become terrible.
@@Zliarx on but atleast it is happening when everything main important to the plots are over. Genshin does not even start
Genshin is one of the games that have amazing lore and mediocare story. It feels bad that the most important characters and events take place in artifact and gatcha weapons descriptions.
So you hate that the weapons and artifacts have history tied to some characters or events
maybe they have yet to reach a point in the main story to reach touching said lore? hmm?
@@kingalex105x7 idk, it's like literally midpoint in the story already
@@kingalex105x7 2 years and still not?
@@tinienteabanil2922 yall are wanting end game lore or lore that has yet to be relevant, one example is like we knew irminsul existed for over a year and now it only gets touched on in sumeru gonna be longer for other things
Worst part is that not only are they dragging the story out so that they can make more games out of genshin, it's being treated like a prototype as well. Like all the money we spend and all the complaints we have all goes to honkai star rail. It's like honkai impact 3 is the oldest, genshin is the middle child, and honkai star rail is the youngest. Da Wei is treating his games like how asian parents treat their children
hi3 is given far more attention than genshin, i mean, its their biggest project after all.
@@Muelas69 Unfortunately how even Honkai Impact 3rd lost its way story wise (in my opinion)
@@dresadan1387the finalé to hi3rd part 1 was terrible. Judging by the trailers for part 2, they're just gonna go with the shitty genshin formula for storytelling.
Lmao this is actually a great comparison
HG2/GGZ is the oldest btw... just saying
I feel like a large problem in Genehin's story is definitely the gacha system. The gacha system has to make new characters for people to wish on and because of this random characters that should have (and would have) been important to the story are introduced AFTER major plot events.
Where in the fuck was Heizou? He should have helped the traveler or done what he could to stop them yet he was introduced and given a random story quest. Itto? Why wasn't he apart of the rebellion? Literally a gang leader why the heck didn't he fight with the resistance especially knowing that he and Gorou know each other. Where was Ayato? Where was Kuki?
Why wasn't Yelan involved during the Rex Lapis death case? Shenhe? Where was she? Where was Eula during the Dvalin quest?
So many inconveniences with the story and the characters and that's a major problem in Genshin's storytelling altogether.
The characters may have an amazing bacstory but a good backstory doesn't equal good story telling.
I feel like that's a problem in gacha games compared to completed games.
@@winghong3 EXACTLY-
Its not fully that its a gacha game, its because of the WAY the release their story chapters, it takes a time to make content and assets, and we get parts of the story in little chunks instead of the whole, cohesive story in one go, and as such, some characters only get finished in the middle of the development cycle.
As another gacha game that does heavy story chapters, look at FGO, releasing bundles of characters and taking 4-6 months between major story chapters.
Massively agree with this, and one thing i really want is for playable characters to be in regions outside of the story, because rn they just completely disappear after the story
Like imagine seeing venti roaming the streets of mondstadt or zhongli listening to morax's stories
It would make the game so much more alive
out of all the characters you mentioned, only really 3 of them were somewhat explained.
ayato was supposedly hiding in the kamisato estate, helping (sort of) manipulate the traveler to help them using ayaka. rather than doing things himself, he got thoma, ayaka, yoimiya, sayu, and the traveler to do things for him.
secondly, heizou is a member of the tenryou commission. from what you can tell from his character, while he doesn’t exactly like kujou sara, she’s still his boss, so he does most things he tells her to. heizou was someone who was enforcing the vision hunt decree, assumably.
thirdly, itto. this motherfugger. basically what i understand happened to him is that kujou sara yoinked his vision so he started wallowing and harassing the tenryou commission to give it back.
@@iri783 ayato's isn't in game, you shouldn't need to watch a VIDEO on yt to understand a plothole.
With the recent Diluc skin event I got the impression that we as a player were supposed to be aware of Dilucs backstory. Like how his dad died and stuff? I don't know if I remember us ever being told that information. I was reading his character story but if you don't have Diluc you don't have acces to that information.
BUT...YOU COULD READ THE MANGA!!! You just have to take time out of your schedule to read a comic...
@@greenlineessays I could /s But I shouldnt be expected to.
@@greenlineessays THEY JUST ASSUME WE KNOW EVERYTHING 😭 ik the lore bc I'm a Kaeya main but I'm still so surprised they never bothered to tell us anything? Like...isn't it important that a character was (or still is) a spy from another place? And how another ones dad died bc of it? Especially if they're planning to put this into events like damn at least give us a resume of the story..
read the manga :(
When I’m expected to know Signora’s past through taking time out of my day and reading artifact lore
The biggest weakness of Genshin Impact is that they keep making parts of stories where they try to put characters in serious danger of injury or death…
But everyone knows they’ll be absolutely fine because they’re playable characters.
“Oh no! Are they gonna die?”
Nah. They have a banner currently running.
“She could lose her arm! This is bad!”
Sorry. Her design has already been confirmed. Nothing’s gonna change about it.
Well they "killed" off a Playable Character in Honkai star rail in the worst way Possible. Even the Playable Characters are confused and unsure if she's even dead. Literally in Limbo and a New Mystery box to hook the audience deeper.
Probably because if they kill off a playable character then that means no more future content for said character = less incentives to spend money for them
@@PyroliteThis is why backstory-based quests that take place from the character's POV via flashbacks of sorts are important
The scene with navia where she falls into the ocean made me lose my marbles. I had to put the game down because I was rolling my eyes so hard.
the story of Aether and Lumine is why I (used to) play. The game doesn't care, the game doesn't want you to care, but I do. 'We will be reunited' was the pinnacle of my interest in genshins story, and that was practically the only thing in relation to the travelers throughout the what, now 4 years of the story's run?
I was so hyped back then because my theory that the travelers arent the good ones to me was proven (i play as Aether and people in fanarts portray them as sooo loving and caring and nice , yet he was willing to IMMIDIATELY leave with the twin teyvat, not including paimon(Means the whole friendship with paimon is just fake, if you noticed also in sumeru and fontaine each time paimon talks about their future plans together traveler replies with "...") and all hangout, friendships with other characters or fate of teyvat has no meaning, since the twins tried to leave at start of game when teyvat turned to chaos and destruction like "oh shit I'm out ", and now they immmidately wanted to go to find "a new home", also leaving teyvat behind, not caring. we dont know anything of the twins. they said they pointed at random stars /planets to travel ut why did they leave then? maybe THEY were the cause of chaos in each world and when it was the peak of destruction they simply left to the next.
I had hopes that aether in my case would then become more "evil" not being nice to everyone, regaining the power like said in start of game, with us with each element becoming stronger kits, their interaction often then being selfish and distanced from the twin and we develop a strong own lore....yet...we got nothing....
worst thing is we still behave like a toddler to our sibling. they are teenagers, they aren't 4. , pardon, teenager body but probably ancient gods. that both twins cling so bad to each other for 3 years is just unrealistic and adds to the unrealistic sibling/writing (only more realistic ones are diluc and kaeya even tho they are no real siblings).
I started to play for the traveler. meanwhile he is just a puppet in a game of fanservice flirty otome shipping things hoyo tries to bait the people with, or the gary stu (lumine =mary sue) who wins each tournament, is always best, is the only one that makes friends with characters , only one can help whole nations....)
@@glasperle77 OMG- I love that theory!! man it would've been so cool if aether (I play as him too) became more cold the more power he gained-
but exactly as you said, i hate what the traveler has become. The traveler has just become a self insert sort of character for all the ships :/
the original hook is barely seen with all of this content in game at this point
finding our siblinng- the main story that gets treated like a side story
helping the next god deal with problems we probably dont need to be there to resolve- side quest that gets treated like the main story
this was fun the first few times but now im just curious about the abyss and our sibling i do not NEED TO KNOW WHAT PROBLEMS THE ARCHONS ARE FACING
@@eddiem5713 exactly! plus the archon quests have just been getting longer and longer
there's so much content but there's nothing related to the original story
Genshin has too much dialogue, but too little story telling, most of the time the characters talk too much about something that's useless to the lore to the point that it gets boring to to missions
There are things that could be explained in 2 dialogue boxes, but they use 10
If I remember correctly, in one of the game's quests, Rosaria points out some of Paimon's... Peculiarities, and seemingly unnatural abilities, such as just... popping out of existence.
In one of the early quests Lisa also tries asking if Paimon can help with puzzles using her ability to fly, to skip things, which gets brushed over very quickly.
The main issue is that traveler brushes it off. People do fet curious but traveler themselves don't care which makes no sense
alsao albedo also asked at some point if paimon was an extension of us (like an external organ), and a melusine said paimon was like a balloon but the string extends up into the sky.. ive been thinking anything related to paimon is endgame story stuff so it makes no sense to expand on it now when that isnt one of the player's priorities OR one of the traveler's
@@neurofiedyamato8763 Right? The many many times the TRAVELLER brushes off interesting questions and points people make are just .. frustrating.
Honestly, the story has gotten MUUUUCCCCHHHH better ever since chasm. The dainsleif quest was nice, since we interacted with a character that we know and has a backstory, The NPC is actually shown to die (Halfdan) and despite the being very dialogue heavy, it for some reason did not feel like a chore to read through. 2.7 was an upgrade, We got probably the best characterised character (Itto), and Yelan was pretty good, but the rest were just decent at best. But the main thing is, there was actual tension between these characters, for example, yelan vs itto, or yelan vs xiao. We also are SHOWN the backstory of Xiao, and the 5 yaksha's, and xiao 'sacrificing' himself was genuinely a sad moment (Only to be ruined by zhongli). No NPC to talk to, lesser paimon, and a lot of the story was shown, not told.
2.8, I kinda already forgot what happened, but I remember that fischl and kazuha's domains were amazing, Mona's would have been great if the puzzles weren't annoying, and I already forgot what happened in xinyan's domain. highlight for me was actually kazuha's domain, as the story was told in a more interesting way for me. But it was a downgrade from 2.7 for me.
3.0, The best patch in genshin's history in my opinion. Absolutely astounding story, we actually hear the traveller speak for like 6 fucking times, There was actual tension and almost a feeling of helplessness, and it felt like we would have come to the same decisions as the traveller did in the story quest.
The first part did pretty ok, introduced us to two major ports and also hinted towards the growing dispute btw the desert dwellers and the people from the city. It wasn't the best by any means, but the next quest....That was the best quest in my entire history of playing games (That doesn't say much cuz I play only f2p games, but still, it was fucking outstanding)
Dunyazard was outstanding for a NPC, and the fact that her voice got weaker everyday kind of made you suspect what was going on. This quest actually kept me on the edge of my seat, and I actually cared for the NPC. and Kusanali, My fucking god is she a better archon (in terms of story telling) than literally everyone. She act's like an actual archon, like a person with responsibility over the people of their nation. Zhongli didn't give a fuck, venti just afked litereally every time and helped mondstat only cuz of stormterror and Raiden just casually takes away people's visions. These don't seem like the actions of people with responsibility. What kusanali did, made me feel that she was an archon, unlike the other three. The truth about the samsara was fucking amazing and was hinted at long before, and the traveller thinking on what the truth was felt real and actual. And it made me care for paimon. If a quest can do that, it automatically gets to be the best quest.
What I think the major problem with Genshin's storytelling is not Paimon, or the limited time events (Those are bad, but I am considering this from a day 1 player perspective), but rather the game somewhat shifting between third POV follow and third POV omniscient. Sometimes, the traveller blurts out information that you had no clue about, and the characters talk to each other as though they have known each other for years. Keep in mind, the latter is how it should be, but not from a Third POV follow perspective. The shift in POV causes huge problems, since sometimes you know what the traveller doesn't know, and don't know what the traveller knows. This is the worst mistake to make in storytelling, never, and I mean NEVER shift your POV when writing a story, or if your shifting, shit it btw characters, not between follow and omniscient. I feel like this is getting better since 2.6, and know has reached a state where it isn't a major problem, but you cannot deny it, when the MC was talking about khaenriah, Most of us were probably like "Wtf is she talking about"
The story has gotten really good, the lore is so fucking deep that I came within the first push, but the medium in which it is told is disanointing, but has gotten better recently, Nevertheless i'm REALLY excited for the anime, so that it can do the lore and story justice.
2.7 wasn't an upgrade. Itto did absolutely nothing but clowned half of quest. Itto was just there for the sake of rerun banner. The devs knew Itto was useless there so they had to made him collapsed half way because they did not know how to corporated him to the story any further. And Kuki was there to cooked roast lavender melon LMFAO. .
And Itto being the "the best characterised character" is total arbitrary non sense. Typical clown character, with kind personality. But his character does fit for 12 yo audience, so that make sense.
And Halfdan.... 30 seconds of screentime, died 3 minutes later. Nobody cares about Halfdan.
3.0 was a slight improvement 5.5/10. But I can't really called it an improvement if it was just a fluke. And They chickened out by bringing Dunyarzad back to life after they showed her ghost in the dream. Smh.
@@saddany3254 honestly if they let dunyarzard die , it wouldve made the story much better. Not that i hate dunyarzard but it will make the story more emotional
Also if itto wasnt a crackhead in 2.7 and doesnt want to argue with Yelan , we wont even have the story to begin with so yes he does play a big role in the event. Also Itto is there because of Kuki. So id say everyone has a role in the event story
So I think the story has improved...a little. The problem is we've been given HOT garbage for the story and now that they have made the smallest of improvements it comes across as great progress; when in actuality barely any progress has been made. Although improvements are improvements.
You already forgot what happened in 2.8 huh? Says a lot. Kazuha's domain should have been his story quest. And now, people who haven't played 2.8 won't get to see it. Fischl's is the same. It should have been a quest. As they are now though, it's still not that great. A large chunk of those quests just have audio. Where are the visuals? They didn't bother to make any kind of animation for these stories.
You've only played f2p games!? Like, you haven't played any game that costs money? Some of those games have the best stories! If you ever do get around to play those you'll start to see why Genshin is not that great.
But I'm also hoping the anime gives us the better story as well.
Also, Dunyazard wasn't that outstanding because she's an NPC. If she was a playable character I would care a lot more.
@@greenlineessays Went to read the comments first before watching the video. This right here is an actual garbage take. "She's an NPC so she's irrelevant." Fk that shit. You already had a bias against her so the whole story had less impact on you. Was gonna try watching the video but with a shit take like that, better procrastinate somewhere else.
Since I won't be watching this video, I'll just leave my take here on the whole story.
Prologue is generic AF.
Chapter 1 is okay.
Chapter 2 is great... for the first part, then went shit for the second part.
Chapter 3 is great so far. MVP goes to Nahida and Dunyarzard.
P.S. I turned off my comment notification so I won't be tempted to reply to some monkey brain response. Yeah I have a closed mind but so do most people and highly likely whoever refutes this. It iwll just end with long back and forth with no resolution until one of us gets tired. Better just leave it here after giving my take.
It's quite shocking that until recently I didn't even known that Signora even had a backstory. I do read stuff like the character profiles and voice lines. But you also need to have specific character and level your friendship with him to do that. It's quite sad that so much story is missed. They could turn many of this into more character quests, which people would do because, hey free 60 primo at the end of each quest.
I hate when the game introduces a potentially cool concept or an idea, just for it to be never explored again...
or discarted
One of Genshin’s biggest gripes is its large amounts of dialogue. I’ve always preferred ‘show don’t tell’ cause its obviously more engaging. Heck, during the chasm quest with Xiao, it was nothing but constant talking for the sake of info dumping. My boredom was only ever alleviated because of Itto’s shenanigans.
And that brings me to my next point but this is more personal. There’s barely any distinction in the personalities or traits between characters with most being characterised as being professional or sensible. Give me ones like Itto who’s always so bull-headed, Hu tao who’s always looking forward to the next funeral or Klee just being Klee; because characters like Yanfei, Ayato, Sara etc. don’t really interest me.
yanfei be advocating fr
With more and more characters are released, its like they mix together so much, i cant differentiate between them. I don’t understand their personalities from the story cause none of them have a distinct voice for the sake of info dumping and drowning us in dialogues, which i force myself to focus on listening to cause of how tiring and boring it all is, and when i still cant place who that character is, i have to read their story!
It doesnt mean anything.
I get that genshins world and people have a different way of talking which is why it feels too serious, but thered still be different ways people speak! Different accents so on…
The character designs seem good on such a surface level, they don’t feel human, it literally feels like theyre using 3 mannequins and switching their clothes, handing them a new script as their new backstory.
All the details in the designs and clothes but all the outfits are the same. Everyone is the same person.. it infuriates me.
Everytime there is a long dialogue in a quest i just watch yt videos and have the auto play on,whenever i stop hearing sounds from the characters in the game i just click the replies and continue on lol
Hey Yanfei is actually pretty fun! Other than that yes I agree most characters have a bland presentation, mostly because of the people writing the dialogue.
Layla: Is sleepy
Sayu: Is sleepy
Jean: Is overworked
Kokomi: Is overworked
See what I mean?
Genshin’s more hidden lore is incredible. It’s only the quests we have to play through that are mad. It’s also so amazing when you piece stories together yourself and figure out the history of stuff.
Which is a problem I’m and if itself that HIDDEN lore is better than what they wanna present.
If you didn’t scroll through the hidden lore you’d never know that a bulk of inazuma problems were caused by watasumi island or was affiliated with them some how.
If you didn’t look at hidden lore you’d never know that venti was the reason la signora became who she is.
The amount of important details that are buried through books and other literature which stated by zhongli and other archons is not fully accurate is in red asinine
The hidden lore is soo good
botw be like:
@@Hymn_ botw is pretty straight forward as long as you dont count the memories as hidden lore and thats just stupid.
@@akatosh5792 yea. but the story feels empty because how many hidden lores it has
honestly i will nvr understand the reason why you would ever consider making key lore points LIMITED TIME ONLY, it only discourages newer players and returning players to play the game for lore.
its like the company is gatekeeping themself
Seeing the story quests patterns, I can confirm that Childe's has to be my fav when he's not even my fav character. His story quest tells us A LOT about him as a person + his lil brother and how they are together. (Although his brother is an npc lol) I also LOVED Zhongli's story quest including Raiden's second one.
Exactly, Childe's story at least gives us a new perspective of who he is, at this point we only know that he is an asshole who would not mind to sacrifice an entire nation just to fulfill the Tsaritsa's commands, however in his quest we learn that he is a family guy and is willing to publicly embarass himself in front of new recruits and potentionally risk his life and take it to the extreme by using his delusion just to protect his brother's innocence WHILE still being stated that he is a fatui and does not regret what he did because for him his family comes first. It gives him depth and despite not justifying his actions we get to understand them and feel sympathy
@@ItsTanuki0_Clock As much as I dislike Childe as a character (I'm just not a fan of that particular combination of tropes. Oh, look. A Bishounen Blood Knight. How original.), I also think he has one of the better stories for the reasons you described.
Before I started playing genshin I saw literal everyone simping for Childe, and when I played I was just like "eh..". But yeah his story quest was so good and (same with Zhongli's) I actually enjoyed the story instead of just doing it for the primogems. So now he's my favorite character
genshin desperately needs an event archive
half the reason i'm afraid of getting back into genshin impact is because i've missed... _one, two, three, four..._ a LOT of events since i had stopped playing in 1.5, and that means i've missed information that could affect my perspective on the characters, the story, the _everything_ and on top of that i will never get to experience any of it for myself
Yeah, they should 100% have that in a folder like the story quests so you can play them but not get the same rewards like when the event is running.
it feels like it's deliberate that there isn't one, in order to capitalize on the fear of missing out on limited time stuff so people keep coming back every day. hoyo does this in all of their shit
@@depthsparade oh yeah, it definitely is.
real, I stopped after the chasm event and I know I'm majorly behind, but its so overwhelming yknow, plus the charm of the game is kinda lost on me by now
I get why they wouldn't have a feature like a folder with old quests because of space (probs why GAA is a limited timed event/area) but it would be fun to revisit old quests and events to get more context for the new stories.
@@lemonswl3324 Same, I stoppped after the chasm. I logged in when Sumeru came out, went to the edge of Sumeru and... exited the game. Looking at the new area didn't fill me with excitement and I deleted the game. It's been about a year I think and I JUST downloaded the game yesterday. I decided that I'll explore Fontaine while it's small and later explore Sumeru and do the quests after. But it's still not the same. I've missed events, I'm still skipping every side quest. I'm only really enjoying exploration but it's fun ig.
Words cannot express how much I hate story quests.... GO TO POINT A AND TALK TO CHARACTER A. GO TO POINT B AND TALK TO CHARACTER B. GO BACK TO POINT A AND GIVE CHARACTER A SINGLE MUSHROOM. WAIT 1 DAY AND TALK TO CHARACTER B. TALK TO CHARACTER C. TALK TO CHARACTER A AND CHOSE AN ABITRARY DIALOGUE THAT PREVENTED YOU FROM SPAMMING THROUGH THE REST OF THE DIALOGUE. GO TO POINT C AND USE ELEMENTAL SIGHT TO LOOK FOR VAGUE THING. TALK TO CHARACTER A AND B. COOK A MEAL AND GIVE TO DICKFACE MCGEE. FIGHT A SINGLE SLIME. TALK TO CHARACTERS A B AND C. LOOK FOR QUEST LOCATION AND SCRATCH YOUR HEAD BECAUSE YOU SKIPPED THROUGH ALL DIALOGUE. CONTEMPLATE WHY YOU EVEN PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME. WATCH A GUIDE ON TH-cam. SCREAM AT YOUR TV. ok you got a minuscule amount of primogems congrats don't spend them all in one place!!
This.
Like half of the time they are not even about a character, they're about a NPC! There are two dialogues which mean the EXACT SAME THING! I remember people talking about how amazing Sumeru's character quests were, especially Nahida and I was soooo annoyed by the fact that they were about a random npc, I don't even care about! And Paimon makes it worse! Like, if you want me to be interested in a npc's boring sob story, give them a proper design FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
I'm sorry if there's any error in my comment.
@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimiku no need for apologies you spoke well! it's hot garbage and I'm convinced anyone who likes it is an actual psychopath. I started using an autoclicker to speed through dialogue. Its a slap in the face that we can't skip dialogue or cutscenes but hoyo probably does it to slow down the rate at which we get primogems. That or they don't want the older players to cry that new players get this benefit while they had to suffer.
@@NoVanity1Thank you! I agree with you. Genshin story is indeed a mess.
Holy shit you just made me realise my biggest problem with this game! I just always had so much problem with the dialogue and i didn't know why, but its because as a video game medium they rely too much on dialogue for story telling! It doesn't work because you can't interact with the dialogue much. Also the story would be sooooo much better if the characters INTERACTED with one another. Like i was doing the Beidou and Ningguang quest just waiting for them to meet or just mention one another but it never happened. Why do they not show friend and family relationships! The only time they are ever shown is in archon or event quests. They have such a big pool of characters to do story telling with, but they choose the boring NPCs instead! At this point the stroy became too big and i guess it's difficult to showcase the more important parts because that requires more detail which genshin unfortunatly lacks. I have noticed however that with the addition of Sumeru it has been a bit better and they are taking more "risky" and interesting ideas for story quests which im really looking forward to.
Like why tf do you add a new plot for the characters in the quests when you haven't even finished establishing the backstory. I feel like they should work on the foundation before doing these side stories that don't relate to their characters or the relationships.
yess a lot of genshin characters are interesting on paper but in the game they are boring to death because they don't interact with each other, and even if they do - it's way too polished, too neutral, so their interesting-ness doesn't mean anything
Exactly THIS, I literally did Ruu’s quest and Enkonomiya story quest without actually processing the information I did bc can you blame me?All that monster fighting, exploring, and puzzles tried me the hell out. It wasn’t until I saw a video talking about it that I truly appreciated it. The amount of dialogue bored me to death that I skipped these two heartbreaking stories like wtf???
I'm not sure if Genshin's reliance on dialogue is the problem. Or at least, there's more nuance, since other games do it better. For example, the Yakuza Saga. I fucking love all of the Yakuza games, especially 0 and Kiwami, and if you're not gonna do substories most of your playtime is honestly spent clicking thru dialogue and watching cutscenes. I'm not sure why, but Yakuza does story-focused gameplay really well.
Its as if the characters are too big for them to mess with the stories of, that they choose to use discardable npc’s instead.
I had this problem most up to last year, but with all the many characters we get, the world feels so lonely. So empty and lonely.
Npcs follow the same schedule, characters only appear in story cutscenes and quests.
Its a lonely quiet world.
This video is all facts . From start to end . The mc not talking , the animation , the interaction between characters , scaramouch and teppei , balckouts instead of animation , a lot of npc talking , hidden lore about popular palyable and important characters and the events .
Right !?!!😅
im glad youre one of the few if not only ppl who finds the beginning of the timeline weird, like the hell have they just been looking at seawater for the first two months for. why not just say they met right then and there.
also regarding paimon and the travelers origins themselves, we’re literally halfway thru the game’s ending and we dunno much or at all abt the traveler or paimon
and abt paimon specifically, i guess they just treat her like she’s the guoba/changsheng/boo tao equivalent of the traveler, since no one else seems to have questioned the latter three’s existence
"why not just say they met right then and there."
That would require the animators putting in effort to show you getting Paimon out of the water while fishing.
Sometimes the dialog can be summerized as a college student trying to hit the word cap for an essay. The dialog is so bloated full of pointless repetitive unnecessary filler that its a drag to listen to. The characters often for example take 30 words to describe something that can be said in mere 10. Combine that with how unengaging and how badly written it is at times and you have lots of people not even knowing the story because they can't be bothered to even pay attention, which I don't blame them. I've met so many genshin fans who don't know anything about the story because the most common reason is that they can't be bothered to engage in the story because of how unegaging, stale, and bloated the dialog is at times. This one's more personal but: my God, does EVERY character have to talk like they're speaking out of a thesaurus.
You know what pisses me off about Genshin's story in Sumeru after watching this?
La Signora's lore says she used mystic arts she learned from Sumeru to become the Crimson Witch.
*Dies to Raiden Shogun in Inazuma*
Scaramouche's lore says he was a puppet created by the Raiden Shogun in Inazuma and felt betrayed by his mother when she seemingly abandoned him.
*Attempts to become a new God for Sumeru*
Is it just me, or are their roles and positions in the story quests mismatched? What if Scaramouche attempted to become a New God by tempting the Watatsumi resistance to help him with the Fatui's support so that they in return have a fighting chance against Raiden, and Scaramouche can have a chance to battle his mother over his issues? That would've felt more natural for his arc than having Signora there to run operations.
This feels like such an obvious decision to make - Scaramouche has an arc in Inazuma, not Signora. Maybe Signora can have a role in Sumeru, but with Dottore in charge as antagonist, I see little room for her to do much in Sumeru. How infuriating.
that would be more logical, sadly
Genshin realized Inazuma was flopping, so, they thought that killing Signora would save it. For Scara, it would be better if we got to fought him instead of a robot IN Inazuma.
For the second one maybe.., Inazuma was appropriate, because the sages wanted a new god, that Make the Fatui's work easier. And Scara wanted...
@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimikuthey plan things like a year in advance so the inazuma story was realized months before 2.1 released.
Paimon is the big elephant in the room. I've been complaining about it forever for the reasons you mentioned in the video.
Mihoyo expects the player to just ignore the gigantic plot hole of "what/who is Paimon?" and pretend it doesn't exist... so they can finally reveal it as a plot twist years from now, and then we are expected to be surprised by it. It's kindergarten level of storytelling.
@kaizen3471 they already do this kind of thing chibi companion but it actually evil/get posses and be a god/corrupted god with higokomori from their other game Honkai Impact 3
@@razornad1299 I honestly hope Paimon turns out to be evil and a future boss so I can rip her a new asshole as many times as I want.
Its like steven universe. Huge shit happens, instantly ignored the next episode
Kind of fun how they can retcon any story and patch any and all of the story's plotholes after they introduced how the Irminsul tree works 💀
Teppei being the main fucking reason we get mad is so FUCKING stupid
I have NO connection to this random NPC we _just_ got introduced to. I literally LAUGHED at this mans death because it was so bad.
At this point I was expecting so little on screen storytelling that I actually got quite surprised when we were given Scaramouche's and Nahida's backstory with the Sumeru quests. I think they could dive into Nahida a little more compared to other archons because she wasn't involved in the Khaenriah massacre. Now about Scaramouche... I used to despise him but now I actually like him because unlike most other characters, we learned more and more about him ACTUALLY IN GAMEPLAY. But it created a problem for Ei in my opinion.
See, in the lore Yae straight up suggested to euthanize Scaramouche because he would constantly suffer without the gnosis. However Ei set Scaramouche free to let him be his own person. Scaramouche doesn't have this perspective so he feels abandoned by his own mother. (I mean he is right to a degree, they just left him without explaining how humans operate so he perceived a child dying of sickness as a betrayal due to being immortal + having very little grasp of mortality.).
My main issue is, the audience doesn't properly know Ei's side either outside of written lore. We mostly got Scaramouche's side of the story in gameplay. Since we got so little of Ei's perspective compared to Scaramouche's, it makes Ei look like an asshole to the point of character assassination. They made a huge mistake with not involving her more in his story quests.
(Sorry if there are mistakes in my writing and grammar, English is not my first language. I enjoyed your video a lot, keep up the great work)
That's why I feel like an animated series would be much better for the lore. It's much harder to handle storytelling in a game and, since Mihoyo doesn't seem to give much shit about it, well, we have the mess that we have. Shame, Genshin's lore has so much potential.
It's getting an anime. Search it up.
@@theilluminatibenefactorthat was teased so long ago and we do not have any info about it 😭 the anime could be about anything
@@theilluminatibenefactorI’m not hyped for it anymore honestly, they teased it long ago and made everybody excited, but now many are disappointed because it’s been like two years.
They teased the anime WAY too early. They should’ve had teased it when they were finally done with the seasons, but you can never expect much when it’s hoyo anyway.
I agree with a large amount of things in this.
The only thing I strongly disagree with is the notion that Scaramouche’s backstory isn’t in the main story, cuz it actually is.
It’s just at the end of the Inazuma archon quest where Yae Miko just unceremoniously tells it to you.
Either way, I feel like Hoyoverse realized a couple of its main problems in storytelling, mainly Paimon being a dialogue repeater, and important lore heavy event quests, as evident by the chasm event quest, and the fact that paimon does seem to be getting better in terms of actual character instead of just repeating info.
As for the twin travelers themselves. I think Hoyoverse realized early that the goal shouldn’t be finding the sibling, which is why they did the abyss sibling reveal before Inazuma, so that the rest of the story is about seeking what “the truth of this world” is.
they did the abyss sibling reveal way before inazuma, in 1 or 2 trailers on youtube it focuses on the sibling even beore the game's release and during the mondstadt quest we get a shot of her and some abyss mages iirc. although i've heard they did change the inazuma storyline several times (i think they changed writers?) which is why it was executed so poorly
@@xxri I’m specifically talking about revealing the info about where the twin is to the traveler.
The main character’s original motive is finding their sibling, then it turns out sibling is with abyss, and gives a side quest about finding the truth of Teyvat, after which the two will meet again.
@@AnArtistInAVoid yeah, i mean why didnt we just go together with our sibling and find out the truth of Teyvat? Was there a single dialogue where the Traveler refuse their sibling's plan to overthrow Celestia??? No, not a freaking single bit. Were there any differences in our ideals? Depends on how you answered Dains three questions, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I know there are nuances in our answers but at least show what it is.
@@BiBiren i think that the traveler was in shock about the whole siding with the abyss thing.
Plus the traveler seemed more interested in just leaving teyvat to do its own thing, instead of staying there.
It’s specifically the Abyss sibling who refused to leave until they’ve conquered the heavens.
I think she's getting worse. The aranara quest is 10 hour long and every 15 min interval you she keeps mentioning how difficult the korok names are. She just completely ruins any tension in archon quest and is so hyperfixated on Mora and food for no reason
Genshin's Lore: GREAT, LEGENDARY
Genshin storytelling: awfull, boring and with very few acts that are good and are also the exception.
To answer your first question, for those first two months, paimon was teaching the traveller how to speak, understand, read and write the language of teyvat, which they pick up shockingly fast. But they still likely aren't completely fluent, which may influence why they don't talk much.
At that point, they could’ve made some sort of gag about that to explain that away instead of making us assume it could be the case. If you want to learn and get better at a language, the best way to practice is to *speak*. It doesn’t excuse even a little bit why Traveller doesn’t speak.
If this was the true problem and they make Paimon talk for us because we simply can’t, the way around this could’ve been Traveller still talks, but makes mistakes or has trouble finishing a sentence that Paimon would then translate *in short*, none of that long overdrawn bloated rehashing thats only inserted for 3 yr olds who didn’t get it the first time. And it can’t be a frequent thing either because that would get tiresome fast.
Then they’d get better with it over time and less of these are needed to the point of even being completely gone by end of Liyue because mind you a lot of months have gone by between prologue and Sumeru. Which would make Traveller speaking up infront of a crowd of people asking about their brother in the climax Liyue’s main story quest all the more...intriguing? Exciting?
“Finally we don’t need the bobble head anymore” or “Oh wow they spoke in front of a large audience” would be the reaction to this and in terms of genshin storytelling, id take it as a plus. A lot of people learning a new language worry of their tounge/words would be judged especially infront of anyone more than their selective group of friends/acquaintances etc. This gives Traveller a mini character arc and makes them much more relatable and less of a 2 dimensional character, while also giving them more than “My sibling! Please where are they?” and stock image syndrome.
Paimon can obviously speak a few times but like Heizou said, not as our *voice*.
Joker from Persona 5 doesn’t speak often, but his option dialogues have a lot of personality in them and thankfully he doesn’t have a floating bobble head next to him.
@@The1andonlysharpshooter lore about paimon, idk yet. but if you replace paimon voice with mc it will double size the audio file (male/female) 4 language every update + event. i think this is developer plan from the begining.
@@alkarana8106 that makes sense.
@@alkarana8106 Doesn't really change the fact that it's bad storytelling to to make your not silent protagonist have a mouthpiece for the entire game. They might as well have done away with Paimon but a mascot is necessary to sell hence why they kept her even though half the fanbase hates her
I don’t know if that’s canon. I saw someone say the same thing but they said it was just a theory.
Honestly, there's a whole LOT of stuff that irks me beyond the point of no return with the story, but the main offenders to me are Paimon and the sheer amount of dialogue bloat there is. Paimon feels like she's there to constantly keep repeating dialogue unnecessarily and ask pointless questions in a way similar to Solid Snake. There's also a whole lot of unfunny running gags pertaining to her character every time she has to say something, like how she has to reiterate for the hundredth time that she's Paimon and not [Insert rough description of what Paimon is here] every time we meet someone new.
And then the Dialogue itself feels like it drags on for WAY to damn long like a college student trying to hit the word count for an essay. Its actually pretty similar to the earlier parts of XIV, but at least in that game you can skip the cutscenes if you wanted to. Hell, XIV even tells you in advance if you're about to be stuck watching a bunch of cutscenes one after the other so you can properly prepare for it. Meanwhile, the autoplay button in Genshin actually feels like it's WORSE than just mashing the button to get through, especially when your progress through the cutscene gets halted by one of the Traveler's completely pointless "dialogue options".
Lmao just uninstall the game bro
@@b1mbap useless comment is useless
@@peckneck2439 I don't get why people that get annoyed by a game still play it, I would rather unistall it until it gets good, or if it doesn't improve, not play it at all, it's not worth it
I guess some people just have too much time
@@b1mbap just because you dislike one part of something doesn't mean you dislike the whole thing bestie what
@@BasilBread I expected there was going to be a comment saying that
I know, but it's not worth it imo
Probably one of the weakest story build ups in my opinion is Teppei's death, a situation like that only works if the player is actually able to interact/see the character enough to build even the slightest connection to the character in question. However, we don't get to see or interact with Teppei enough to build said connection, so using his death as a motivator for the protagonist feels far less impactful as it's not serving as a motivator for the player as well. Teppei was then basically left out from any future elements of the story, basically treated as nothing but a footnote.
What Hoyoverse most likely wanted to emulate is the emotional moment caused by Haurchefant's death in Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward, as he also started as a seemingly minor character, but gradually became more prominent as that part of the story went on until his death. The major difference between the two is that Teppei was not given much time on screen during the Inazuma chapter, whereas Haurchefant was there for most of Heavensward. It wasn't that Teppei was poorly written either, Hoyoverse simply didn't give him or the players the time to build that meaningful connection for a character's death to feel impactful.
You can't even use the excuse that Genshin Impact is a gacha game to excuse the decline in story, as not only do Hoyoverse's other games (Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai: Star Rail) still have decent stories, other gacha games such as Fate/Grand Order and CounterSide also have well written stories to follow. Whoever is in charge of writing Genshin Impact's story simply got complacent with the game's burgeoning success and started to slack off, and have caused those who were initially interested in the plot (like me) to lose interest in the game as a whole.
The fact I had to google who Teppei was should speak volumes as to how important of a character they were.
Guess what, you missed the first albedo event where they reveal that Durin the poison dragon that poisoned Dvalin was suppose to be Albedo brother
Another gripe I have with this game is how it doesn't use it's medium's strengths to tell its story at all. When I'm playing a game, I want to play through the story, that's how a game should be. Not just cutscenes and info dumps that are tedious to get through and have absolutely no right being in a GAME of all things. If you're just going to tell me everything through text and show me nothing in a medium reliant on its VISUALS, then you should've written a book instead! Granted, that won't fix many of the issues with the story (although could slightly alleviate some) such as plot relevance, but then it wouldn't feel unjustified having to read. Reminder: I play games to *play* them. I read books to *read* them. I watch movies to *watch* them. I shouldn't have to be reading and watching in a medium that requires player interaction-- at least not to the extent where you're honestly 10 times better off telling your story through a different medium.
One of the most annoying things is the NPC MODELS! Its so difficult to resonate with the npcs when they’re all the same model with the same hair just with different clothes sometimes! I wish that they were just a little different maybe? Different hair colours or eye colours or different body types and different hair styles. It would be may more immersive if they just gave the important npcs cool defining features
It's sad that Genshin's world quests have better story telling than other type of quests, yet they didn't have any voiceover
The biggest issue is that they tried to make a customized "you" character (the twin we play) but at the same time giving them a look, a story, a background, a character. they pretend we have a choice but we don't. aether treats some nice , way too nice (like xiao), while other characters ARE nice (like lyney) but "omg fatui" and we bash him each time to the ground. but both are 5 stars that are pulled for the same price. Also that they give us little to no lore. Like now in latest event furina, zhongli AND traveler met up and talked about neuvillette. Did traveler ask about khaenriah? did traveler ever ask venti about it ? (venti has as only archon not his second story quest only becasue we dont have a second mond boss, we asked every archon about khaenriah - only venti not) and zhongli told us he has a contract and can't answer us. so why aren't we persistent? why won't we talk about focalors and egeria in front of furina and zhongli? heck we even keep the secret from nahida that her counterpart sacrificed herself IN HER CHARACTER QUEST THAT IS ABOUT THAT YOU SHOULD ALSO FACE BAD THINGS IN LIFE XD)
i agree with some comments. genshin turns to toddler-mode. paimon destroys almost all scenes with her talking while we have still no voice, people die (jeht killed people in front of paimon and traveler and they are like 0 affected? 0 traumatized?)
traveler is sus AF and nobody questions them. nobody asks where they come from, which world they visited , what happened to these worlds, what they did before paimon found them (I think still they wait to push it into the anime to milk the cow), we get pulled for khaenriah against celestia without knowing anything at all , we dont question where paimon goes if she disappears etc. etc. etc. obviious questions.
Like did we EVER ask around about the sustainer at the start? did we now EVER talk about skirk? no, we rather travel to celebrate lantern rite after another nation almost drowned , meet with the geo archon but still don't ask anything.
That's biggest issue. if they would keep us interested. putting sustainer in, giving each update a tiny scene / cinematic of the abyss twin, of the traveler's background, of the tsaritsa, of sus venti (yeah I still think he is super bad in the end because of istaroth connection). also, istaroth isn't a shade of the phanes/primordeal one. Connected to god of time. all connected to nyx who was the mother of aether and hemera (which I assume is lumine). either hoyoverse grabs really random terminologies or I even assume Aether IS a big god there not even connected to lumine. etc. etc.
if you read in the wiki you get more info than any main lore related quest gave. often hidden in descriptions on artefacts or items. and this is bad for a game.
I really liked inazuma as story, and liyue and mond before . sumeru to me was just bad especially with the desert and fontaine was 50/50. people just like over-emotional things ut the pacing of all is bad. the jail one was way too long and not neccessary, the archon quest in fontaine was destroyed by the forced ace attourney copy which was way too long. but they milk the cow with fanservice anyway now. mashing characters together that taking away all sense , copy of pokemon, copy of yugioh, pac man, soccer, etc etc. (but that is not topic of this video)
This has to be the actual stupidest comment I've ever read. The fact that the author of the video likes it pretty much tells me how skewed their standards are and that they just seek validation about the video rather than criticism.
Let's deconstruct the points one by one.
About why the Traveler doesn't work as a conduit for the player: While the Traveler is a silent protagonist, they never really were a character that gave agency to the player to begin with. Sure, they had multiple dialogue choices but they barely deviated from what they want to say or feel. We see this manifest even more in Fontaine where the Traveler downright takes control away from the player and begins actually speaking with voice lines about what they feel in regards to the current moment. See, for instance, Neuvillette's Story Quest.
Abhout why the Traveler is a Dick: Because the Traveler chooses who the fuck he wants to be friends with no matter who you like or not. That's pretty much the simplest answer you can get. The Traveler is a character in and off themselves and they basically choose to trust/distrust character who we clearly see as good or bad. Sure, Lyney's been a nice person to the Traveler, but the previous run-ins they've had with the Fatui certainly skewed their perception of him up until that point. We see the relationship develop further as time goes by and then it becomes an actual friendship by the time the Arlecchino Story Quest hits.
Why the Traveler doesn't ask the Archons about X: Because they either don't know, don't care, or can't tell the answer. You suggested to talk to VENTI. VENTI. The literal vaguest character in the entirety of Teyvat who can't even speak about his own nation without being A) Wrong or B) A fucking dick. Sometimes both. The Traveler has so much power to actually control the narrative or what questions they can ask without risking the diplomatic relationship they have with their archons. "But the Traveler saved the nation!" I will probably hear. Well, for one, the Traveler saved Liyue and was told by Zhongli that he couldn't speak because of his contract. He did find out the meaning of Fontaine's prophecy but it was Neuvillette who reversed it. His involvement in Sumeru is literally irrelevant because it technically didn't happen.
Telling Nahida About Rukkhadevata's Sacrifice: The absolute most braindead suggestion I've ever heard that is literally EXPLAINED DURING THE ARCHON QUEST so it's not even a "this is explained in the background" excuse. Rukkhadevata sacrificed herself and was deleted from Irminsul to rid the world from forbidden knowledge. To tell Nahida or anyone about it would be to not only risk bringing forbidden knowledge back into the world (which was close to happening already with Apep's illness) but it also would risk the collapse of the ENTIRETY OF TEYVAT because it would cause a paradox. This was a risk that not even Nahida was willing to take despite bluffing about it to Dottore when she wanted to get information out of him. Despite how essay-like your comment is your reading comprehension is so questionable it makes me wonder if Paimon is repeating her exposition for morons like YOU.
About the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles and Skirk: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE TRAVELER KNOW ABOUT EITHER OF THEM?! We know about both due to the lore dumps in background elements like items and artifacts but the Traveler doesn't. That's the entire point of the Archon quest to begin with since 1.4! When the game starts, the Sustainer is described to Paimon by the Traveler as an "unknown god" and they only say their name. Try telling me how the fuck they will ask that to an archon, let alone an entity that possibly transcends even them.
I am not even going to talk about your issues with Sumeru or Fontaine because you clearly have the reading comprehension of a toddler. If you can't even understand the main quests themselves even when their important plot points are told to you in very clear text right in front of your face, then what the fuck am I supposed to expect from you?
Because of TH-cam's lack of notifications regarding comments, it will probably take a long time to see if I ever get responded to this comment. I'm not giving this clown a view just for the sake of checking whether this thread gets answered or not. Just know that I am responding to this comment in particular because you are the embodiment of every commenter in this video and the author themselves. You miss the point of the game, you CLEARLY can't understand the plot points delivered to you, and the nuances that the characters have throughout the course of the story are ignored for the sake of your first Impressions. This screams surface-level bullshit and you guys need to spend less time writing about how bad Genshin's story is and more time reading a book because clearly you haven't done that and saying you have done otherwise is a lie.
I just finished a class about Narrative Storytelling and I think Genshin is using a Narrative Concept called "Real Life Narrative". Basically, nothing are told on purpose because In real life, more often than not, you don't ask.
But that is just my opinion, I am just okay with this kind of Narrative Structure but I can see the problem it gave
For me, it feels more like how anime is written. I'm also okay with it.
@@0Annou0I'm curious. What do you mean by how anime is written?
I know nothing about narration, but I have a question. Why do they explain something in 20 dialogues which can be explained in 10? I think that's far from reality.
@@Vocal0idSupermacy_gumimiku this actually already been explained. Its because the game is Chinese.
Chinese characters are much more longer since each words have its own characters. Thus when talking, even explaining the most simple thing, it is long when spoke or written in Chinese.
English and other language however (those who used ABC format) aren't like that, so most of the time, the translator ended up throwing words to fill in the space
@@Someone-zn4dhIs there any solution for it?? I think I'm being nitpicky
When someone point out Genshin's bad storytelling, I always mention Inazuma especially the half part of it.
The Sangonomiya Resistance arc wasted Kokomi's potential as perfect plot character. I remember someone in TH-cam Comment section about Hoyoverse making most of the characters goody two shoes and heavily pointed out Kokomi as his/her prime example of a wasted potential.
They pointed out how it would be better instead if Kokomi doesn't deny that they made a deal with the Fatui and the distribution of Delusions among the ranks. She knows how dangerous Fatui are but she can't help but needed them to win the war. So they distributed Delusions among their ranks. They will win many disputes and struggles with the help of Delusions and The Fatui's support, not fully aware what will happen next that will haunt her for the rest of her life.
Later on, there is a unknown disease that the bearers of Delusion have become really old and frail(same plot as in the quest) and she will discover that one of her dear friends and Teppei will die because of her own mistake. She immediately ordered everyone to dispose all of the Delusions and cut ties with the Fatui. Traveler didn't know about Kokomi's plan back then and receiving the news that Kokomi somehow has knowledge about what happened, they decided to leave the Sangonomiya Resistance.
With that, Kokomi feels so regretful because of what happened. She didn't even know if she deserves to be the leader of Watatsumi. But she can't be discourage since there are many people who loves and relies on her.
They think her story quest should be her redemption arc and owing up to her past mistakes.
that's how you know don't actually focus on the story at hand. delusions weren't given to the resistance, some coerced to them like teppei to grant him temporary power without the knowledge of the priestess much just a secret mysterious help because the plan that she never questioned about and the fatui's plan was to prolong the war enough to get the gnosis, they were never in cahoots with the fatui. there's a subplot around this point about delusions and the connections to an unknown sourcer but it was info dumped instead so the lack of tension and progress has been skipped, the only real reason why the 2nd archon quest was bad is because it's rushed storytelling, the pacing was way too bad and It didn't let majority of the characters shine. compared to sumeru and Liyue.
more on that, the reason why the soldiers managed to reach tenshukaku was because of the help from the yashiro commissions lord Ayato, he's been the one who's kept the fatui in check this entire time because of his hidden scouts, the sangonomiya resistance once again didn't need help fighting to win the war against the tenryou, It was a tactic from the fatui to prolong the war between the raiden gokaden and the watatsumi rebellion before they reach tenshukaku.
regardless the main focus of the archon quest was Ei and her idealism that would bring down the people. and she's not even the reason for it. it was the fatui manipulating the raiden shogun. all she agreed was the seizing of visions.
Kokomi is just one example of a mishandled character. I would almost say that most if not all of Genshin's cast is mishandled, whether its when they're first introduced or after they're no longer "plot relative" in which case they get sent to the dungeon unless summoned by a limited time hang out event that tons of players will miss :/
We can't have a female character to be making mistakes. Don't you know Genshin characters can't show any negative traits
@@ahagotchafurina:let me present myself
@@massimilianoreali4398Fontaine story is not even close to finishing. We have no idea if they'll do some 180 bs with her, too.
Lisa can't come because of two reasons: she's actually dying from a magical disease that gets worse the more time she spends outside (hence why she rarely does and why some of her voicelines talk about her health) and she hates what has become of the Akademiya which was why she left in the first place. As for Amber, it's not in her personality to abandon her duty. She's the only outrider in Mondstadt and while she knows that the job is more symbolic than functional nowadays, she still can't bear to leave it.
Where the fuck did you get this bs about Lisa?
Omg I had no idea that Lisa was dying!
@@zeera2854 yeah, she is. The same thing that made her one of the most powerful people in Mondstadt is also slowly killing her
this isnt a fact
Inb4 Lisa's Sumero skin
29:22 The problem with walls of text for backstory, at least for me, is that I sit down to play Genshin to _play_ the game, not read stuff. Yes, I can spend hours being lost in a book or a visual novel, but thats the thing, when i open a book or boot up something like Steins;Gate or Umineko, its with the _desire_ to read. I go in fully aware that I'm going to be reading walls of text.
I shouldn't be required to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of stuff to understand the motives and backstory of a character in an _Action-RPG_
29:38 Tbf a characters backstory hidden behind text and not shown in the story is not a Genshin Impact problem, It's a gatcha game problem as a whole. Very few instances I can think of where a characters backstory is revealed during the main story gameplay. Also, in other gatcha games you got rewarded for learning the characters backstories via more summoning currency, In Genshin you just get a name card.
Yeah, namecards feel like the biggest dud of a reward, especially after all the effort you put in up to that point to unlock them.
Name cards should be given when you unlock the character, then give pulls or something when you reach friendship 10
@@theanuscancer You can get 3 pulls when you ascend your character past lv20, lv50, and lv70. You don't even need friendship for this at all.
@@MultiDragonreaper Yeah, after you get all the pity characters those feel way less valuable though.
With the amount you put into friendship you'd expect like one or two intertwined fates at least
@@theanuscancer I agree, raising your friendship with the characters is pretty difficult for no reason. You either play them for months or have them in your teapot all the time, and they only give you a single namecard with NOTHING else. Not even asking for wishes but a small reward maybe? This game doesn't really feel rewarding at ALL with the sheer amount of effort necessary for almost everything
I hate it when in the archon quest the story is getting to the main point then suddenly a character become sad/sigh-ing that forced paimon/us to ask why they are sad and they start to lore dump everything about the condition of their archon/country/themselves that we are forced to help them like bro I DONT GIVE A SINGLE F*CK! at least dont lore dump and make me click furiously to skip it
Yeah, the game has a real problem with "Show, don't tell."
This will be a very long chain to read.
There are 5 main issues I have with the game:
1 - Paimon: Sure. Make her annoying. Sure. Make her a bully. Sure. Make her a hypocrite. Sure. Make her explain things you already know.
But why oh why does she have to speak on the Traveler's behalf? This is the absolute worst in both "We Will be Reunited" and Yoimiya's second story quest.
You finally found your Twin after so long? Guess who does most of the talking. Sorry, talking is an exaggeration. All Paimon does in that scene is repeat things other characters say or state obvious stuff. Instead of having Traveler talk to their Twin.
Same things happened in Yoimiya's 2nd quest, where she asks the Traveler if they found their twin and how they feel.. And guess who's the one talking like it was her own twin and not the Traveler's. Paimon went as far as to express how the Traveler's currently feels while said Traveler never utters a word.
2 - Contractions: There's a lot of it. And you can't escape it. Oh? Traveler is the enemy of Eternity because having Elemental powers without Vision is an exception and that's bad? Sure. But making exceptions for Kujou Sara, Yae Miko, Ayaka and whoever else to keep their vision is NOT an exception it seems.
Oh? Nahida managed to help Traveler defeat Scaramouche who was in a giant mecha powered by a Gnosis mainly by trapping him tempoailry in a samsra of her own? Too bad she can't do the same to the Doctor and apparently she can't fight despite helping to take down a mecha few mintues ago.
Speaking of which.. In Wanderer's Story Quest, it was stated that without the mecha he would die.. But guess what? He's fine and dandy, not even showing any signs of damage.
3 - All Gnosis go to the Fatui: Let's face it. They pull awful excuses and poor reasons to force the Fatui to get a Gnosis every single time. They don't even try to pull a middle where Traveler or another side keep the Gnosis.
Somehow, Signora managed to one shot Venti.. An Archon.. And stole his Gnosis in one go.. Sure. Venti is not as powerful as he used to be because he wasn't seen in a while, but he's still an Archon. He's still miles stronger than a human witch.
If you're gonna argue that Venti was weaker than that, I would like to remind you that Nahida, who wasn't seen in 500 years, one whose people don't even acknowledge her existence, managed to beat a far stronger Harbinger who was powdered up by both a mecha and the Gnosis of another Archon.
Zhongli made a very stupid deal. But a deal is a deal. So it'll pass why he handed it over so easily. (The deal was probably plot convenience)
Yae Miko, Lady Guuji.. Simply handed over the Electro Gnosis on a silver plate to Scaramouche. Even though she was hyped up to be very powerful.. She stated that she could dispose of him without even Ei noticing. Surely she'll be able to at least knock him out and save Traveler. But no, Fatui gotta have them Gnosis.
And Nahida's a joke.. Like I stated.. The one who managed to both help beat a puppet in a mecha powered by a Gnosis apparently can't take on some Fatui harbinger who is SAID (not proven) to be as strong as a God.. The one who sent Scaramouche into a samsara without him realizing apparently can't do that to the Doctor. Why? Fatui gotta get the Gnosis.
And again.. Why can't she keep it? Why can't someone else keep a Vision for once?
4 - A-Hole Traveler: some Characters tend to be awfully inconsistent, but the worst example has to be the Traveler.. They started from being a pure hearted hero into a greedy, mean, and sometimes evil protagonist. From threatening to kill and torture Saimon Jirou over a treasure that didn't belong to them all the way to making it clear that they didn't give a damn about Enkaominya, and that all they cared about was whatever treasures it had.
And my God are they such a hypocrite. They shame Venti for assuming he illegally smuggled himself into Inazuma which again.. Just some accusation they threw out of nowhere.
But when Venti calls them out on their hypocrisy, stating that it was they who came into Inazuma illegally, suddenly "No need to bring the past!"
Which makes me wonder.. Traveler and Venti started on the right note, why are they such a dick to Venti lately? Sure, Paimon is one to just bully everyone. But for reasons unknown, Traveler just loves to disrespect the two who showed them nothing but respect. The other being Itto.
5 - Narrow-minded Traveler: this is another poor aspect of writing.. The reason the Traveler was stuck in Ritou was because they refused to help Ayaka. Why? Apparently the Traveler didn't say they would help.. And due to that, they were stuck in Ritou for an extended period of time, forcing in more fetch quests.
Then you finally meet Ayaka who makes a deal.. You try to help, she'll set up a meeting for you with the Electro Archon.. You know, the reason you came here in the first place. But Traveler refuses again for no reason, despite it aligning with their goal.
But it doesn't end there, for some reason the Traveler tend to have such a narrow-minded view, especially against the wrong people.
One example is the Skeptical from Sorush's world quest, who wanted to get back at the Akademiya for banishing them and falsely shaming them in history.
Traveler's response? "tHiS Is jUsT SpEcUlAtIoN"
The people who locked up their Archon, tried to replace her, held down the land in a tyrant manner, and did some immoral human experimentations on innocents that they knew would die?
Nah. They would never do such a thing.
the genshin cycle
~arrived at new nation
~compromised by fatui
~branded as suspect
~3 circles, the good, the bad and the neutral
~a new waifu crushes on you
~makes a plan to save nation from fatui
~stealth section
~succeed and celebrate
~thank you for saving our nation but your sister is in another nation
~dain drops by and dishes out khaneriah lore
~leaves and filler event
rinse and repeat
also pipsquek (paimon)
With Star Rail on the trail. The storyline has been downgraded... And we're halfway through, haven't we forgotten about the unknown goddess that dump us both twins on teyvat? Guess they forgot about it
P.S. I quit last novrmber and sold my account in february. They did my ex-waifus dirty, toxic teyvatians
Ikr! Like it feels as though we've entirely forgot about the Unknown Goddess imo, and tbh she doesn't even feel that relevant to the story anymore- luckily, things seem to be improving a LOT with Fontaine, the characters, stories and world is genuinely breathtaking. And NPC story quests are over! We can finally actually learn about the characters instead of helping NPC number 47373 find their missing jar of old honey which was the last thing their dog gave them. I'm pretty sure the last three regions (Natlan, Snezhneya and Khaenri'ah) are gonna be excellent.
I've been playing a lot of RPG games since childhood, and i could say Genshin Impact lore is so generic and boring.. i uninstalled the game after playing for 2 hours lol
That's fair. Sometimes games need to hook you right away. Genshin was really slow in the beginning.
Genshin's story quests being about NPCs has been so annoying. I believe dehya is the exception to this because we actually learn about her past and what's she's like as a person. But quests like nilou's, I don't give a damn about an NPC that I've never met before.
It’s so awkward. Navia’s quest was also about her, even though it focused on the NPC, it still tied back to her, hell we actually spend a good chunk of it away from the dude and get a look at Navia’s own insecurities and what not. They didn’t even crowbar in the other characters which the game also has a tendency to do.
i have read many Chinese manhua before and the story here seems very similar to them, they're all surface level stuff where the characters are all caricature of basic concepts and not fleshed out 3 dimensional characters like other series
TRUE theyre literally just tropes
Honestly, the thing with traveller that I am really frustrated by is that mihoyo/hoyoverse can't seem to make up their mind over whether they want a silent protagonist or an actual speaking character protagonist. Silent protagonists can work well, (look at Link in BOTW for example). But for genshin, traveller is neither a silent protagonist or a talking one. They don't speak at all in quests, then suddenly speak a line or two, which makes you wonder why the hell they weren't speaking before (ie. end of liyue archon quest).
Funnily enough, they speak so seldomly in story quests, but in their profile voicelines, they are shown to have so many thoughts and opinions on events. They speak and converse with paimon so much and they have a personality!! Why isn't this side of traveller shown in the main quests? They have dialogue options, yes, but all of the options have little consequences. Dialogue choice one and dialogue choice two either info dump knowledge that traveller shouldn't really know about, or is a random comment that only changes the next box of dialogue.
Personally, tere's nothing wrong with having dialogue choices that don't affect the story. I guess it's impossible to do a multiple ending type thing with a game like genshin. BOTW does this dialogue option thing with Link as well. However, the implementation of dialogue boxes along with the silent character trope makes it seem that genshin originally wanted the player to 'be' the traveller. But they keep switching between that and making the character have a voice.
Was it cool to hear aether talk in my play through of liyue's archon quest? Yes. But it came so out of nowhere and was so inconsistent that it breaks immersion. Although Sumeru's archon quest was a lot better than previous archon quests when it comes to fleshing out traveller; why does traveller only speak when they are trying to figure their thoughts on what is going on? The game's treatment of traveller and their ability to speak is so inconsistent that it honestly detracts from the game. I just don't get what mihoyo/hoyoverse is trying to do with traveller and I feel it would be so much better if they just made up their minds on whether traveller should be a silent protagonist to self insert yourself into, or an actual legitimate character with feelings and opinions. If Paimon DIDNT talk over traveller, I honestly would have no idea what traveller would be saying.
when I first started playing genshin, I always thought it was super odd how none of the playable characters were in the physical world outside of story quests or certain side quests. I feel like even just having them hang around their respective locations and have some new dialogue every now and then would give the world just a bit more life and depth that it desperately needs.
I actually like to think of Genshin like the movie "Free Guy" where you are the "Guy" and you have all these amazing things that happen around you and hear about...but it's not part of YOUR story. Despite being the main character you are just a NPC listening to other people's lives. The fluff and droning on by other characters is painful AF. Except in Free Guy the NPC's realize they are just that but Genshin never does, you are just there to fulfill fetch quests for little pieces of poorly written story.
edit thank god you pointed out the stale cut scene animations, a true hero.
Yeah, the show don't tell part is what is really messing Genshin up imo. I really started to notice during the second golden apple event that most of the characters already went through their struggles. Bedou battles a great leviathan, Kazuha already lost his families fortune AND lost his none NPC friend, Diluc leaving on a long journey after his dads death, ect. We meet them once they've already passed most of their struggles so you're left with a character who doesn't really have anything new to add to the story. I get some things had to be before you met them but for the most part it feels like you as Lumine/Aether don't really create a strong bond outside of the whole "They love you just because you're the main character" trope.
After playing through Fontaine I can confidently say that I absolutely agree with this what were they thinking giving a 30 minute exposition dump in the CLIMAX
Also making an important characters development (and pretty much only development and screentime after her introduction) the climax.
@@MrMeisterRoxasit’s crazy how little Furina actually appears in the quest. Her longest scene before the trial is when she has the meeting with Arlecchino.
On that tangent of Diluc's skin event, remember when you just had to find a random brick in the wall above a building that just casually drops Kaeya's pretty damn crucial background as a descendant of royal regents of Khaenri'ah? Arguably the most important nation to find lore about in the entire game considering how many important events happened there during the Cataclysm?
Inazuma ticked me off. The people experienced traumatic bloodshed by their archon and it just seems like the war didn't mean anything. Yes, I get the meaning and theme around how terrible war is, but I would think the people would at least be against Raiden still for many years to come, hell, maybe the whole existence of Inazuma itself. Your own god, your own leader, was mass murdering your friends and family and basically taking away their ambitions if they don't fight back. The outcome? There she is, hanging out on top of the shrine with her pet fox. Sure, she may have 'changed' and worked to remove the eternity she implemented due to her grief.
But it means nothing. The soldiers you worked with don't have much to go back on, and the most baffling part is that Ayato, who's supposed to be a major player in the war, only shows up in a unlockable story quest. Why is his sister playing more of a part, and why do we have to push through her story quest along with Yomikya just to get through the story? After Liyue, I cared little for the archon quests after. The characters are just there for gacha pulls at this point, and they barely have anything worth putting down.
Ex. Seriously? An army struggles against fireworks?
As a honkai player i have a completely different view, genshin story telling is basically another honkai storytelling but a bit worse.
Hoyoverse has this quirk where the quality of their content is inconsistent, sometimes its bad sometimes its good.
Sometimes they wanted to up the quality, sometimes they wanted to risk it by trying new experimental things.
I dont take genshin storytelling and gameplay seriously because of this.
The only thing i take seriously is their art and lore because its pretty consistent and good.
as a honkai player i feel offended seeing them together to make a point
true, so,e parts of honkai story makes me think like wtf? but yea the story actually hits me emotionally
@@Hymn_ i'm curious to know those parts
@@jalcome4201 at least Honkai has a main character with personality
At least with Honkai, there's no boring wall of texts that we read as their backstory. Yes, the game is instance based so they do whatever they want.
I wish that in the main quests, even side ones, your choices matter just as they do in the character’s hangout events
To explain Signora's appearance in Inazuma, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that her being there was some sort of breach in protocol. She and Scaramouche are supposed to be working together. For example, ij your quest to leave Ritou Village, it was mentioned that the head of the Kanjou commission was in correspondence with her. It's a sort of divide and conquer situation where Signora will be in charge of the main Inazuma faction and Scaramouche will be covertly supporting the rebellion. However, she WAS supposed to work behind the scenes and was not supposed to directly confront the Shogun during that confrontation in 3.1
I would kinda have to disagree. In order for it to be a behind the scenes operation, Ei wouldn't simply come out and tell us the VHD was conceived by the Fatui. Nor would Signora go to the Hiiragi clan to specifically task them with stopping us from getting off Ritou. Scara said it best, he wasn't the mastermind behind this--the person he was working under was, which in this case was Signora.
Now, what wasn't supposed to happen was Scara getting the Gnosis from Miko. That's what foiled her plan. Cause so far, as the only Harbinger actually collecting Gnoses, the safest bet is to go directly to the Archon for it. If Scara told her that he had it, she would've never went to Tenshukaku to talk to the Shogun. Nor would we intercept her meeting and literally get her killed by challenging her to a duel before the throne.
Arlecchino wasn't wrong for getting upset that Pantalone and Pulcinella were sittin pretty at home instead of doing dirty work like Signora to achieve the Tsaritsa's goals.
@@MihaeldiAngelo that's why she had to work through the Hiiragi clan. Because she's working behind the scenes.
@@geosustento8894 I gotta disagree. Behind the scenes means you not making appearances, you're pulling the strings. A prime example is when we were going to storm Tenshukaku. Agents were sent to negotiate assistance from Ayato. That's behind the scenes. Scara being a passive observer, "following orders" while the grunts distribute Delusions to the Watatsumi forces and the Tenryou Commission, that's behind the scenes cause she's not the one walking up and doing it.
Going to the Kanjou Commissioner (literally one of the three heads of the human leadership under the Archon) and telling him to stop a blonde traveler with a floaty companion from leaving Ritou at all costs, that ain't behind the scenes, that's making a statement to ensure your other plans aren't ruined.
@@MihaeldiAngelo a few things:
1) "behind the scenes" doesn't automatically mean you're not going out. For example, while we haven't seen Ayato before his release, we know from dialogues that he's actively working as the Yashiro commissioner while also working with the rebellion behind the scenes.
2) That's the breach in protocol that I mentioned before. I think what they meant when it was implied that Signora wasn't supposed to be there was that she was not supposed to directly confront Ei.
3) The Kanjou and Tenryou Commissions were both in collusion with the Fatui and are manipulating the Shogun on their behalf. So yes, working with them and making sure the Traveler doesn't leave Ritou IS working behind the scenes.
@@geosustento8894
1. I didn't say not going out. I said pulling the strings, which is exactly what Ayato did. He was doing his job and most likely using the Shuumatsuban to keep in contact with the resistance.
The Harbingers are definitely clandestine with diplomatic relations as far as what we've seen. Grunts do their dirty work, just like for Ayato, the Shuumatsuban is his covert network doing his bidding where he can't. That's why I say she isn't behind the scenes, she did it in Liyue. If she actually wanted to throw us off properly, she could've had Scara handle that meeting instead, but she didn't.
2. What exactly are you referring to when it comes to "breaking protocol" cause the only thing close to that was Capitano's comment on her honor being "tarnished" due to her methods. Which I don't fell holds much water. Her meeting the Shogun was not a confrontation. Our interruption turned it into a confrontation. Like if we were removed from the equation, it would've been a simple talk, they showed us that they had no issue with each other. The Shogun reprimanded her for "disciplining an Inazuman" and Signora immediately apologized.
3. I don't disagree with you there. I'm not saying that her plans were bad and not behind the scenes. I'm saying her actions and how she did them, was not behind the scenes. Again, the fatal flaw was not having that conversation with the Kanjou Commissioner either done by a grunt or Scara which would throw us off, or somewhere more private where people not in the conversation couldn't hear. Cause once someone not involved in a secret knows a secret, it's no longer a secret.
I heard Genshin is gonna make an anime and I hope it’s about the history of tyvate and the back stories of characters because it would be much more better
If there was a book about genshin lore without all those npcs and paimon I'd definitely read it.
For sure! Let's hope the anime will be good.
I've never seen a story fuck up the "Show don't tell rule" so much.
idk what's more boring, Genshin's story-telling or having to look for all the times characters crossed their arms
Thank you for your sacrifice man. This is exactly what I've been rambling on about for the last year or so about Genshin's story-telling. They keep TELLING us instead of SHOWING us. Imagine if in the Mission Impossible series, the spies just keep talking about what the plan is and trying to get everything ready but when it's actually time to execute the plan, it just fades to black and text on the screen saying the plan went off without a hitch. FUUUUUUUUUU
trash take
@@gamerbeast3616aha found one hoyo bootlicker that doesn't know what actually good content means. Total L behavior.
@@gamerbeast3616aha found one hoyo bootlicker that doesn't know what actually good content means. Total L behavior.