As someone who has had both brands and loves both for different reasons.. it’s really comes down to this… If you want to own the car longer than 3 years, buy the Toyota
Agree. Sorry to say this - I feel like old man got some $$ to make this video. No one in their right mind can make that verdict for bushes and country roads in straya!
Land Rovers have always been amazing off road. The problem has always been when you drive 7 hrs into the desert and the engine or suspension goes into limp mode.
Ask anyone who owns a Toyota in developing countries WHY they chose Toyota. They will tell you it is the ONLY vehicle that they can rely on to get them home at the end of the day.
Not the shop, it will be scrapped. I love the look of the defender, but if I were to buy one, I'm going toyota all day everyday. It's a shame that lr has dogshit reliability 😔
Given the way Discovery 3 & 4 survived and really if you maintain them well they go for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Just service the trans etc don’t believe the sealed for life. I never had a fault with my d3 and spent 30% of my time off reading it. Didn’t have to add diff breathers to go through water, didn’t have to buy new suspension to get a lift etc. so many Toyota drivers forget what they buy to fix Toyota deficiency it’s laughable.
@@offroadingfoz If you look at consumer results for the last 20 years, LR has been at the top of the list for most unreliable SUV, these are based on consumer results. I e owned both and and can say without a doubt Toyota far exceeds the LR in reliability. And yes, part of the "fun" in owning a Toyota is adding mods. It's not necessary, but an enjoyable thing to do. The rigs are just as capable and absolutely just as reliable without mods.
The Toyota has a rear diff lock for a reason. Use it.. why test it without it? The Toyota also has air suspension for height adjustment and terrain response. What are you talking about reviewer???????????
I traded my super unreliable MB GL-320 for a Prado GX with leather in December 2020, bought a new Jayco off road 2100kg caravan and drove 17,000k Melb-Darwin-Cairns- Melb during Melbourne's big lockdown. Not one thing needed attention. Drove the dirt on the Savannah Way to Qld and it did it all with ease. I had it serviced in Alice Springs and Brisbane, all too easy. It was bog standard, no bullbar, nothing. I did get Airbag inserts in the rear coils at TJM in Alice for $650 installed to lift the rear and level the ride, and they had them in stock!. I'II never go back to Euro trash :-)
@@pmahardika8699 That's mainly due to supply chain issues plaguing the whole used car market, Toyota's resale cannot be compared, just look at was a 8 year old Prado is still going for, percentage wise nothing comes close.
Reliability 😂. They are all only being made to last the warranty, buy another. No modern diesel will last now, light weight internals, with light oils, all the pollution gear,
New hilux have been recalled. 2015 to 2021. Also ,Dpf filters. Oil cooler line for aurion and klugger just to name a few. Land rovers it's been 43 years you can still have the older ones in the safari
TFL can vouch for the issues they had on this current model. They have a whole series that outlines the problems they had, one which included an entire wiring loom change. Mind you land rover seemed very accomodating with rectifying the problems, not sure though if it was more so because TFL is a well know youtube channel which they said themselves. I am not biased to any car manufacturer as they all have their own faults, my opinion is based on their experience.
@@mdbacolod which is and remains only one vehicle.....not good enough? No. But really, every time someone has the temerity to suggest the Defender is better than any Toyota up comes that TFL video
@@sbGOM To say that there is only one that has considerable amount of issues is misleading, you have no statistical data to support that statement. Yes everyone refers to TFL as is it one of the more detailed and well documented videos portraying the issues with their particular defender. There is also a well presented series of an English gentleman that has been documenting his own personal build that has had some issues with his defender. Once again, I am not a one manufacturer “fan-boy” as Toyota in its current state has had alot of shortcomings recently. Everyone knows about their 2.8L DPF issues, airbox sealing problems and one that is not that well known is the timing chain rattle on the 1GD. There has been an in-house bulletin released to dealerships stating the problem. In any case, each to their own. Parts for japanese manufactured cars are more readily available both OEM and aftermarket which is why I tend to stick with them.
Prado has Tech from 10 years ago, and a motor that is severely underpowered for the chassis. I'd love to buy one however they really need to give this and landcruiser (yes even the 300 is lacking in the tech segment) an update, not all of us wanting to buy one are 65 years old wanting to tow a caravan.
You can easily get more power out of that 2.8 in the gr hilux they already have around 600 nm in Africa so heaps of power left they just underpowered it too keep it reliable
Another dud review. The Kakadu has multi terrain modes, it has 3 level adjustable suspension both standard. Did you not know that? Getting tired of reviewers not knowing the vehicles they are receiving. Why bother. What a waste of my time.
Have owned Prado 90, two Series Landy's , two Discovery's (4's) and now LC 76 and Prado 150 VX-L (Kakadu in Aus). Needless to say, the 76 was bought because I could not trust the D4's beyond city limits, the 76 lived up to its reputation and has done its purpose. Needing a more comfortable but still reliable vehicle, I tried new Defender, LC 300 and Prado, but at every turn I was faced with pall over the reliability and support for the Defender, and limited fuel range. And while both come with 19" rims, you can fit 17" rims to the Prado, but not to the Defender. Then on one of the comparison tests done in South Africa on new vehicles the Defender sat down and needed a software upgrade! That had happened to me with one of the Discos as well. I struggled to get supply of either a 300 or a Prado through the chip fiasco, but have since taken delivery of the new Prado and am super impressed. Land Rover are going to have to have a long run of reliability triumphs before they will see me again.
I did not see the defender climbing the hill as the prado did with no problems. so i have to watched the video twice to be sure if i just missed it. So they only mention that the defender did the climb the hill without problems. It would be a much better comparison if they show them both climbing the hill.
I've just ordered a Prado. I wanted to give the defender a go, but honestly a upgraded GLX with some after market acessories is still cheaper and better supported. I wish landrover luck and would like to check in again in 5 or 10 years.
The defender D250 is no longer a variant sold in Australia. You can now only get the D300 which comes with 20s (at a whopping $25k price difference). And you can't even change them to 18s as the rear calipers are too big. At least that's not a problem in the Prado.
I am a Prado owner, its a 150 d4d and its done over 400k with no issues, always gets me home. I do like the new Defender, i looked at one recently, the base 110 was $120k the Prado base is about $70k. Cant really compare them 2, and the Prado is 6month wait the Defender is 18months. The Defender is quite plush and nice interior, but i think if you want to tour Aus buy the Toyota, if you want to go on the odd High country drive and the Golf club buy the Defender and sell it under 160k.
The value of 4x4's do not half in 4 or 5 years, even disco4's are still very expensive. Toyotas still hold their value for longer but you have to consider the car you want to drive. If you are worried only about cost buy a bicycle
@@tronicit The Prado is smaller than the LC 300. It compares more in size to say the 4 Runner in the US. And, build quality in the 300 is far superior to the Prado. We work on and modify both vehicles in our shop and there is a big difference.
Re: how did it feel to let the Prado go?? May be it's the kickbacks paid to TH-cam influencers speaking here. It seems the new age ad policy of multi-national companies!
as a land rover owner the current level of land rover reliability is a worry, they seem to have gone back to the bad old days over the last 10 years. Folks shouldn't confuse build quality with reliability though, the way disovery's and ranger rovers are bolted together and built is way above anything i've seen from any other vehicle manufacturer. as for long term ownership the Toyota will be far cheaper, in 10 years the land Rover will still be a much nicer car to drive but yearly upkeep will be considerable.
You have to choose what’s more important to you, air suspension and a higher tow rating, or getting back from your trip without your car on a flatbed truck. 😄
I should have optioned it on my VW Touareg. A lot of the LR3 are still going strong without any air suspension upgrades. I've just ordered a prado, if air suspension was an option I'd have taken it.
Only the ill informed are scared of air suspension. It's the go to suspension system for trucks, trams and trains these days. Mature reliable technology. Whilst you might feel comfortable with springs, they aren't bullet proof, they are can break and sag.
Replaced the compressor once in 7 years ownership, bought the D3 when it was 5 and had original compressor still. No airbag issues, and gave me the ultimate in comfort and flexibility. Wouldn’t get anything else again. When the pump failed it never stopped cause I replaced it before that, it was taking longer to switch off and there was a newer version available so decided to renew it. Drove it once on bump stops to service centre after installing the compressor myself as I didn’t have the diagnostic equipment to set it up. It was bouncy! Hahaha I always believe in preventative maintenance versus waiting until it broke.
I have 10 year old Disco4 with air springs. ~190k km, lapped Australia twice, lots of towing, remote 4wd tracks. Original compressor and air shockers. For new parts, on average each corner ~$400 and the compressor about $800. I am able to program and adjust the ride height of the EAS to suit the conditions via a diagnostic tool connected tot he OBD port and at times this has been very useful. Biggest concern has been underbody protection for the compressor, which I haven't done though there are several after market bash plates available. I should do this.
I'd take the Defender; I think that as cars become more reliant on electronics, the idea that Toyotas can be worked on anywhere is not as relevant as it once was. For a decent tow vehicle and rugged ability, the Landie ticks the boxes.
Would take the Toyota even in base model. It’s not going to malfunction and fall apart like the Defender. Let’s face it Land Rovers are turds with gold paint.
Love all the reliability comments why is it that media Toyota’s have very recently all had mafs with dust on them, Toyota can’t get the air box correct. why? they only need to last till the warranty is done. Another issue is the GCM on prado is poor.
If Land Rover includes a "We'll rescue you anywhere, anytime, at no expense to the purchaser" during the warranty period. Then maybe...otherwise it would be near the last outback tourer to pick. Another channel tested one and it died/broke down very quickly. Their reputation is justified unfortunately
First year model issues for sure, but haven’t seen any lately… wait for LC300 first failures which will happen and people will cover it up and say it’s first version issues leave em alone. Just accept that bugs can happen and not crucify brands if they actually correct them. I mean how many LC200 owners had alternator issues? I know of so many! But that “reliability” stamp keeps getting pushed… Had D3 and serviced and maintained it well, never let me down. Just don’t go bush without doing maintenance and checks.
@@offroadingfoz I agree with maintenance, it's just more important on a Landrover. I hope you are not suggesting Land Rovers are as reliable as other brands?
question is.. are you going to drive mainly in city or remote. If city is your answer get what ever you want. but if you want to take remote/outback think to yourself.. If vehicle can handle terrain you are after over and over again till it fail and when it does. are you able to fix the vehicle locally. or wait for part or special technician to fix the car
Same i said myself and i bought defender 90 xdynamic hse d250 . After 3500 km drive serious electric defect - more red signals -car was took in service for 3 weeks . Very nice car defender but untrustable ! Now i ordered Prado and i will see if keep Defender or sell it ! I cannot go off road isolated with a car so easy damaging how is defender !
I bought a brand new Prado diesel TX spec last year and love it to bits. Plenty of power and has more than enough tech. I didnt want the higher end model, because it has 19" wheels, mine has 17 with much more higher sidewall tyres...equals better ride on and off road and better off road. Didnt need cooling seats, never gets that hot here to need them. Terrain control on the higher models is more of a useless gimmick. The TX has locking diff and 4L which is all one needs for off roading. I need it for snow driving as much as for off roading. Less things to go wrong. Old school 4x4 never had terrain control and they will go anywhere the new ones will go. No air suspension on mine either good old fashioned spring suspension...less likely to go wrong and if it does cheaper to replace..no chance of air leaks either. Unless you really just want to pose and show off that you have the top of the range car, save yourself heaps of money and buy the basic model, which is still very nice inside, equally as capable and just upgrade as required. With the money I saved I was able to put in the top of the infotainment system which has 14 speakers, full leather seat covers and still had money left to buy another set of black 17 inch rims and winter tyres...and still no where the money I would have spent on the top if the range model that doesnt come with the upgraded infotainment system. Of course it all depends on what one wants and we are all different...But I wanted something highly capable, very reliable that I can upgrade as and when I want with only what I need. One thing I noticed is that prado model seems to have been lowered compared to mine. It is standard, has 13 inches of ground clearance and way more space between the wheels and wheel archers than the one in this video, or is it it just looks like that on the video...I can actually get my head inside the wheel arches in mine.
I can’t see an option to buy a diesel 110 defender with 18 inch wheels anymore! I think the D250 diesel is now only available in the new ‘van’ version or the 90. With the 110 you have to go with the D300 engine with 20 inch wheels as standard with an option to use 19 inch wheels. Not many Light truck rated tyres with 19 inch wheels.. What’s the point of building such a good off road vehicle if you can’t put off road tyres on it!
Also a slight irritation for me. I have specced down to 19 inch, and I know that Goodyear specifically designed the off-road Duratrac for the LR 19 inch but not much choice beyond that. Hopefully that will change given the Prado has also gone 19.
The Defender will earn you lots of frequent flyer points every time ( many ) you have to take it back for warranty claims and/or repairs, and bad workmanship. The softies in the horsey set would love it though.
I would always take the Land Rover even with its perceived multitude of faults, yes Toyota for reliability admittedly the last few years you have to question that claim but they just lack soul.
Toyota reliability compared to Land Rover is not a claim but a fact. How many old Toyota do you see gets used in mines across the world? How many are using Land Rover? The only good defender are the really old one, where nothing is electrical.
Adam Powell sorry, I can’t get past the 19 inch alloys on a 4wd. This is why the 80 series is where Toyota peaked with capability and reliability as a off-roader.
@@danwhite9436 I agree with that...but if the wheels aren't turning due to poor reliability, does it matter what rims or tyres it comes with? If you're going offroad often in any vehicle you'll change rims and tyres.
Let me tell you a true story. During the Viet war US soldiers "traded" theres more sophisticated & modern rifle for an old fashion , robust , not precise AK47. Why do you think they did that? If you wanna post photos on a social media, buy a LR , otherwise , go with TLC.
Well I am not being blind on reliability because new toyotas are not as reliable as they used to be decades ago. Even the lexus lx comes with air suspension since 2000s. I just miss those "old rigs" that once came with with solid axles and a manual transfer case, especially the discovery2.
If money is not a real issue the the Defender, if on a budget and/ or need a car to last longer than the warranty period before it's kn the back or a tow truck then Prado, if you could afford both then I'd take both
Lets face it the Prado is years behind because fanboys keep buying and Toyota knows it, the engine in the Prado is a joke and the defender's engine shows what investment in technology does in the real world. Lets not forget the cylinder dusting in the Toyota because they can't build an airbox that seals or the manual dpf burn because of more woeful design and development. Then you get too the difference on road handling wise, again the Prado is far behind yet still can't match the defender off-road so no excuse, definitely for fanboys only with deep pockets and little sense.
So many inaccuracies in this report. Goodyear make 19” duratracs, a great off-road tyre. Base LR fit out with lots of options, engine, seat etc so not really base offer
Poor journalism for sure but you didn’t come here for integrity did you? Difficulty in 19” is the variety available not that there isn’t any. Plus getting ones that remain legal for your vehicle too. But, I was on 18’s in my d3 and found options and there is so many more today than 11 years ago.
Never owned a Toyota yet that gas broke something, from chassis snapping clean through above passenger front wheel to stuffed gearboxes and diffs, bodywork getting fatigue cracks all over the place, over rated over priced. Had much better reliability out of Patrols, I can’t compare LR,s now with Toyota because I haven’t owned a LR since the 80,s, but back during the 70,s and 80,s I drove LR,s all over the most rugged parts of Australia and never once broke down and couldn’t get home.
As someone who has had both brands and loves both for different reasons.. it’s really comes down to this…
If you want to own the car longer than 3 years, buy the Toyota
Agree. Sorry to say this - I feel like old man got some $$ to make this video. No one in their right mind can make that verdict for bushes and country roads in straya!
Love my Prado VX, goes everywhere, and does so with style.
I don't care what this bearded man says, I'll buy the prado 10years over
Land Rovers have always been amazing off road. The problem has always been when you drive 7 hrs into the desert and the engine or suspension goes into limp mode.
As a Disco 5 owner I am 100% with you on that.
Plus they tow very well and decent control is excellent but still have the worry of limp home mode because a sensor has failed which happened to us
Ask anyone who owns a Toyota in developing countries WHY they chose Toyota. They will tell you it is the ONLY vehicle that they can rely on to get them home at the end of the day.
@@melshingleton7865 I mean the LR will get you home, just in first gear 20km/h all the way lol
@@kichaa13 Hahahaha.... you're probably right.
Years down the road, while the Rover is in the shop, the Toyota will still be going strong.
Not the shop, it will be scrapped. I love the look of the defender, but if I were to buy one, I'm going toyota all day everyday. It's a shame that lr has dogshit reliability 😔
Given the way Discovery 3 & 4 survived and really if you maintain them well they go for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Just service the trans etc don’t believe the sealed for life. I never had a fault with my d3 and spent 30% of my time off reading it. Didn’t have to add diff breathers to go through water, didn’t have to buy new suspension to get a lift etc. so many Toyota drivers forget what they buy to fix Toyota deficiency it’s laughable.
@@offroadingfoz If you look at consumer results for the last 20 years, LR has been at the top of the list for most unreliable SUV, these are based on consumer results. I e owned both and and can say without a doubt Toyota far exceeds the LR in reliability. And yes, part of the "fun" in owning a Toyota is adding mods. It's not necessary, but an enjoyable thing to do. The rigs are just as capable and absolutely just as reliable without mods.
The Toyota has a rear diff lock for a reason. Use it.. why test it without it? The Toyota also has air suspension for height adjustment and terrain response. What are you talking about reviewer???????????
I traded my super unreliable MB GL-320 for a Prado GX with leather in December 2020, bought a new Jayco off road 2100kg caravan and drove 17,000k Melb-Darwin-Cairns- Melb during Melbourne's big lockdown. Not one thing needed attention. Drove the dirt on the Savannah Way to Qld and it did it all with ease. I had it serviced in Alice Springs and Brisbane, all too easy. It was bog standard, no bullbar, nothing. I did get Airbag inserts in the rear coils at TJM in Alice for $650 installed to lift the rear and level the ride, and they had them in stock!.
I'II never go back to Euro trash :-)
you might pay more for the defender initially but in 5 years time that prado will be worth double the defender
Wrong. Have you checked the price of used defenders? There are more expensive than when they were new.
Historically Defenders can match anyone for resale values
Historically maybe...but the new ones are even more (if that's possible) unreliable than the old ones.
@@pmahardika8699 That's mainly due to supply chain issues plaguing the whole used car market, Toyota's resale cannot be compared, just look at was a 8 year old Prado is still going for, percentage wise nothing comes close.
@@gixxr88 you should look at the price of an 8 year old defender as well. You’ll be shock as the price is more expensive than when it was new.
can see where the advertising dollars are coming from
I sold my new defender within 6 months, tech issues galore.
Bought a ‘boring old’ prado…
I will always pick reliability… Toyota all the way.
Reliability 😂. They are all only being made to last the warranty, buy another. No modern diesel will last now, light weight internals, with light oils, all the pollution gear,
New hilux have been recalled. 2015 to 2021. Also ,Dpf filters. Oil cooler line for aurion and klugger just to name a few. Land rovers it's been 43 years you can still have the older ones in the safari
@@paulmcintosh5589 thankfully we get petrol engines elsewhere.
that defender will also last, for the first gas tank. Toyota will last, like forever.Toyota all the way.
And 1980s marketing hype.
The Defender is a true off road vehicle! It spends most of its time on a hoist, waiting for a part.
Hahahaha….said like someone who has never driven one, owned one and probably is a Nistoyo fanboi…
TFL can vouch for the issues they had on this current model. They have a whole series that outlines the problems they had, one which included an entire wiring loom change. Mind you land rover seemed very accomodating with rectifying the problems, not sure though if it was more so because TFL is a well know youtube channel which they said themselves. I am not biased to any car manufacturer as they all have their own faults, my opinion is based on their experience.
@@mdbacolod which is and remains only one vehicle.....not good enough? No. But really, every time someone has the temerity to suggest the Defender is better than any Toyota up comes that TFL video
@@sbGOM To say that there is only one that has considerable amount of issues is misleading, you have no statistical data to support that statement.
Yes everyone refers to TFL as is it one of the more detailed and well documented videos portraying the issues with their particular defender. There is also a well presented series of an English gentleman that has been documenting his own personal build that has had some issues with his defender.
Once again, I am not a one manufacturer “fan-boy” as Toyota in its current state has had alot of shortcomings recently. Everyone knows about their 2.8L DPF issues, airbox sealing problems and one that is not that well known is the timing chain rattle on the 1GD. There has been an in-house bulletin released to dealerships stating the problem.
In any case, each to their own. Parts for japanese manufactured cars are more readily available both OEM and aftermarket which is why I tend to stick with them.
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Prado has Tech from 10 years ago, and a motor that is severely underpowered for the chassis. I'd love to buy one however they really need to give this and landcruiser (yes even the 300 is lacking in the tech segment) an update, not all of us wanting to buy one are 65 years old wanting to tow a caravan.
You can easily get more power out of that 2.8 in the gr hilux they already have around 600 nm in Africa so heaps of power left they just underpowered it too keep it reliable
Another dud review. The Kakadu has multi terrain modes, it has 3 level adjustable suspension both standard. Did you not know that? Getting tired of reviewers not knowing the vehicles they are receiving. Why bother. What a waste of my time.
Have owned Prado 90, two Series Landy's , two Discovery's (4's) and now LC 76 and Prado 150 VX-L (Kakadu in Aus). Needless to say, the 76 was bought because I could not trust the D4's beyond city limits, the 76 lived up to its reputation and has done its purpose. Needing a more comfortable but still reliable vehicle, I tried new Defender, LC 300 and Prado, but at every turn I was faced with pall over the reliability and support for the Defender, and limited fuel range. And while both come with 19" rims, you can fit 17" rims to the Prado, but not to the Defender. Then on one of the comparison tests done in South Africa on new vehicles the Defender sat down and needed a software upgrade! That had happened to me with one of the Discos as well. I struggled to get supply of either a 300 or a Prado through the chip fiasco, but have since taken delivery of the new Prado and am super impressed. Land Rover are going to have to have a long run of reliability triumphs before they will see me again.
I did not see the defender climbing the hill as the prado did with no problems. so i have to watched the video twice to be sure if i just missed it. So they only mention that the defender did the climb the hill without problems. It would be a much better comparison if they show them both climbing the hill.
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I've just ordered a Prado. I wanted to give the defender a go, but honestly a upgraded GLX with some after market acessories is still cheaper and better supported. I wish landrover luck and would like to check in again in 5 or 10 years.
Good to know there’s a Toyota dealership in every third outback town. Landrover??
Is that because Toyota's aren't reliable? (tic)
There are plenty of wrecking yards to take cars of Land Rovers...
@@fourbysolo Sure! Holden is the best in reliability then... No dealerships exist.. lmao
A better comparison would be Land Cruiser 300 series GX vs Defender. Closer comparison cars in terms of dollar and equipment
Not in terms of size.
@@offroadingfoz Nope. Take a look at the specs for each. Its a pretty even match in terms of dimensions.
@@offroadingfoz Common misconception, the defender is as big as a landcruiser
The defender D250 is no longer a variant sold in Australia. You can now only get the D300 which comes with 20s (at a whopping $25k price difference). And you can't even change them to 18s as the rear calipers are too big. At least that's not a problem in the Prado.
Exactly. Talk about not knowing your market Land Rover. *rolls eyes* Off to the Toyota dealer....just like everyone else.
I hate driving a car that is very common on the road. So, it’s Defender for me.
Your probably gonna have a fatwa issued now, suggesting a LR is better than a Toyota; and in Australia too!
I am a Prado owner, its a 150 d4d and its done over 400k with no issues, always gets me home. I do like the new Defender, i looked at one recently, the base 110 was $120k the Prado base is about $70k. Cant really compare them 2, and the Prado is 6month wait the Defender is 18months. The Defender is quite plush and nice interior, but i think if you want to tour Aus buy the Toyota, if you want to go on the odd High country drive and the Golf club buy the Defender and sell it under 160k.
Who the hell is paying out right nearly 100k for a 4wd that'll be half that in 4 or 5 years
….Peoples who’s idea of 4x4 is parking on the nature strip in south Yarra .
The value of 4x4's do not half in 4 or 5 years, even disco4's are still very expensive. Toyotas still hold their value for longer but you have to consider the car you want to drive. If you are worried only about cost buy a bicycle
At $100k+ wouldn't you consider the new 300 ? Which would be a much better vehicle than the defender ?
Not really... Both Prado and LC 300 need serious updates. They were designed decades ago
Purely on reliability alone I would choose the Toyota it’s no contest
The appropriate comparison price and spec wise would be the Landcruiser 300 GX wouldnt it?
The prodo is also a land cruiser. The 200/300 series isn’t the same size as the land rover so not comparing apples to apples
Defender can't compete with big brother so they pick the little prado.
@@tronicit The Prado is smaller than the LC 300. It compares more in size to say the 4 Runner in the US. And, build quality in the 300 is far superior to the Prado. We work on and modify both vehicles in our shop and there is a big difference.
OMG..... I had to watch your review twice to belive what I heard, how did it feel to let the Prado go?? I think for reliability Prado will win though.
Re: how did it feel to let the Prado go?? May be it's the kickbacks paid to TH-cam influencers speaking here. It seems the new age ad policy of multi-national companies!
as a land rover owner the current level of land rover reliability is a worry, they seem to have gone back to the bad old days over the last 10 years. Folks shouldn't confuse build quality with reliability though, the way disovery's and ranger rovers are bolted together and built is way above anything i've seen from any other vehicle manufacturer. as for long term ownership the Toyota will be far cheaper, in 10 years the land Rover will still be a much nicer car to drive but yearly upkeep will be considerable.
You have to choose what’s more important to you, air suspension and a higher tow rating, or getting back from your trip without your car on a flatbed truck. 😄
I'm scared of the air suspension from a reliability perspective.
Owned a vehicle with EAS?
I should have optioned it on my VW Touareg. A lot of the LR3 are still going strong without any air suspension upgrades. I've just ordered a prado, if air suspension was an option I'd have taken it.
Only the ill informed are scared of air suspension. It's the go to suspension system for trucks, trams and trains these days. Mature reliable technology. Whilst you might feel comfortable with springs, they aren't bullet proof, they are can break and sag.
Replaced the compressor once in 7 years ownership, bought the D3 when it was 5 and had original compressor still. No airbag issues, and gave me the ultimate in comfort and flexibility. Wouldn’t get anything else again. When the pump failed it never stopped cause I replaced it before that, it was taking longer to switch off and there was a newer version available so decided to renew it. Drove it once on bump stops to service centre after installing the compressor myself as I didn’t have the diagnostic equipment to set it up. It was bouncy! Hahaha I always believe in preventative maintenance versus waiting until it broke.
I have 10 year old Disco4 with air springs. ~190k km, lapped Australia twice, lots of towing, remote 4wd tracks. Original compressor and air shockers. For new parts, on average each corner ~$400 and the compressor about $800. I am able to program and adjust the ride height of the EAS to suit the conditions via a diagnostic tool connected tot he OBD port and at times this has been very useful. Biggest concern has been underbody protection for the compressor, which I haven't done though there are several after market bash plates available. I should do this.
I'd take the Defender; I think that as cars become more reliant on electronics, the idea that Toyotas can be worked on anywhere is not as relevant as it once was. For a decent tow vehicle and rugged ability, the Landie ticks the boxes.
Yeah.. nah..
@@nicholas296 nah… yeah…. Nah Prado is the winner LR yeah nah
@@samg8388 Nah.. yeah..
The idea is that the Toyotas are NOT worked on everywhere. They don't break down in the first place.
Where is the Kakadu $88k!? I can't seem to find them for less than $95k around Sydney?
Yeah I thought the same. I’m guessing the prices are before on roads etc. Our VX cost the 85k on the road they were talking about for the Kakadu.
Would take the Toyota even in base model. It’s not going to malfunction and fall apart like the Defender. Let’s face it Land Rovers are turds with gold paint.
Love all the reliability comments why is it that media Toyota’s have very recently all had mafs with dust on them,
Toyota can’t get the air box correct. why? they only need to last till the warranty is done.
Another issue is the GCM on prado is poor.
Gotta disagree on the engine not being refined. The Prado engine is like a clock and uses heaps less fuel. Most km range of any car in Australia!
New defender capable offroader 💪💪💪💪
You can perfectly drive a Land Rover into the bushes but if you want to come back, better go in a Landcruiser!
I wish they had plenty of basic off-road ready defender on the lot…. Such a capable car just way to many options that dealers use to Jack up the price
If Land Rover includes a "We'll rescue you anywhere, anytime, at no expense to the purchaser" during the warranty period. Then maybe...otherwise it would be near the last outback tourer to pick. Another channel tested one and it died/broke down very quickly. Their reputation is justified unfortunately
First year model issues for sure, but haven’t seen any lately… wait for LC300 first failures which will happen and people will cover it up and say it’s first version issues leave em alone. Just accept that bugs can happen and not crucify brands if they actually correct them. I mean how many LC200 owners had alternator issues? I know of so many! But that “reliability” stamp keeps getting pushed…
Had D3 and serviced and maintained it well, never let me down. Just don’t go bush without doing maintenance and checks.
@@offroadingfoz I agree with maintenance, it's just more important on a Landrover. I hope you are not suggesting Land Rovers are as reliable as other brands?
$87807 is only about $63667.78 US dollars we pay that for most pickup /UTES or wagons /SUV
question is.. are you going to drive mainly in city or remote. If city is your answer get what ever you want. but if you want to take remote/outback think to yourself.. If vehicle can handle terrain you are after over and over again till it fail and when it does. are you able to fix the vehicle locally. or wait for part or special technician to fix the car
The handling (on and off-road) characteristics of a Prado with KDSS take the win for me
Same i said myself and i bought defender 90 xdynamic hse d250 . After 3500 km drive serious electric defect - more red signals -car was took in service for 3 weeks . Very nice car defender but untrustable ! Now i ordered Prado and i will see if keep Defender or sell it ! I cannot go off road isolated with a car so easy damaging how is defender !
In South Africa no-one's going to buy a "Kakadu"!
Nor would I buy one in Australia, lol!
I bought a brand new Prado diesel TX spec last year and love it to bits. Plenty of power and has more than enough tech. I didnt want the higher end model, because it has 19" wheels, mine has 17 with much more higher sidewall tyres...equals better ride on and off road and better off road. Didnt need cooling seats, never gets that hot here to need them. Terrain control on the higher models is more of a useless gimmick. The TX has locking diff and 4L which is all one needs for off roading. I need it for snow driving as much as for off roading. Less things to go wrong. Old school 4x4 never had terrain control and they will go anywhere the new ones will go. No air suspension on mine either good old fashioned spring suspension...less likely to go wrong and if it does cheaper to replace..no chance of air leaks either. Unless you really just want to pose and show off that you have the top of the range car, save yourself heaps of money and buy the basic model, which is still very nice inside, equally as capable and just upgrade as required. With the money I saved I was able to put in the top of the infotainment system which has 14 speakers, full leather seat covers and still had money left to buy another set of black 17 inch rims and winter tyres...and still no where the money I would have spent on the top if the range model that doesnt come with the upgraded infotainment system. Of course it all depends on what one wants and we are all different...But I wanted something highly capable, very reliable that I can upgrade as and when I want with only what I need.
One thing I noticed is that prado model seems to have been lowered compared to mine. It is standard, has 13 inches of ground clearance and way more space between the wheels and wheel archers than the one in this video, or is it it just looks like that on the video...I can actually get my head inside the wheel arches in mine.
I know Toyota's are really dull, but I don't care and when I reach my 80s iam buying one as well
I can’t see an option to buy a diesel 110 defender with 18 inch wheels anymore! I think the D250 diesel is now only available in the new ‘van’ version or the 90. With the 110 you have to go with the D300 engine with 20 inch wheels as standard with an option to use 19 inch wheels. Not many Light truck rated tyres with 19 inch wheels.. What’s the point of building such a good off road vehicle if you can’t put off road tyres on it!
Also a slight irritation for me. I have specced down to 19 inch, and I know that Goodyear specifically designed the off-road Duratrac for the LR 19 inch but not much choice beyond that. Hopefully that will change given the Prado has also gone 19.
Maxxis do a 19 inch Light Truck All Terrain
Tuffant, a Queensland business have developed 18 inch rims specifically for Land Rover. They sell them around the world. An excellent product.
And yes we get paid heaps from Land Rover for this review . 😂
Sales volumes speaks for itself !
Yep, LR are selling every one they can get their hands on. Not just here but globally. You are correct, they are a great car!
Toyota is the number one advertiser in australia, esp for car magazines
Pick reliability - save the planet!
The Defender will earn you lots of frequent flyer points every time ( many ) you have to take it back for warranty claims and/or repairs, and bad workmanship. The softies in the horsey set would love it though.
I would always take the Land Rover even with its perceived multitude of faults, yes Toyota for reliability admittedly the last few years you have to question that claim but they just lack soul.
It’s just a car man if you want soul put some in it , well you probably need soul to keep you some company while waiting on the tow truck
Toyota reliability compared to Land Rover is not a claim but a fact. How many old Toyota do you see gets used in mines across the world? How many are using Land Rover? The only good defender are the really old one, where nothing is electrical.
Land Rover Defender will take you out, however the Prado will bring you back!
Front of the Defender is still from the movie Cars. Plus all electronic stuff on board will go bust as usual.
good choice and comparisons
Prado is perfect for the mall. The defender is for off-road.
Offroad close to town...cause you might not get home!
Adam Powell sorry, I can’t get past the 19 inch alloys on a 4wd. This is why the 80 series is where Toyota peaked with capability and reliability as a off-roader.
@@danwhite9436 I agree with that...but if the wheels aren't turning due to poor reliability, does it matter what rims or tyres it comes with?
If you're going offroad often in any vehicle you'll change rims and tyres.
@@adampowell4867 What matters is the smallest wheel size that will fit.
@@adampowell4867 true well said
Pommie garbage will breakdown in about a month after it leaves the showroom 😁
Let me tell you a true story. During the Viet war US soldiers "traded" theres more sophisticated & modern rifle for an old fashion , robust , not precise AK47. Why do you think they did that? If you wanna post photos on a social media, buy a LR , otherwise , go with TLC.
Hahhahahahah, the independent suspension better offroad
Clearly he's never changed a cv on the side of a track before.
Well I am not being blind on reliability because new toyotas are not as reliable as they used to be decades ago. Even the lexus lx comes with air suspension since 2000s. I just miss those "old rigs" that once came with with solid axles and a manual transfer case, especially the discovery2.
prado 150 - 12 years 0 issues
I think I'd take the Prado. Reliability is not one of Leylands strongest points.
Good luck with the Rover when it breaks down outside a metropolitan area.
What's the servicing intervals and costs between the two.
Basic spec 100k, ?
Typically European products, cannot compete on price so they start low then hit you with endless and over priced options and servicing.mobs love them
If you want something old and boring buy the Prado
You mean tested and proven
And if you want to look the same as every other boring person towing a caravan…
Why can’t the prado tow 3.5 tonne 😮 cause in Europe it can
Land Rover 🤘🏾🤘🏾
Not much to break in Toyota . High margin cars for the company with same model runs for over 15-20 years . Even LC 300 looks like a waste of space
The Toyota 4 me Cape Town South Africa
If money is not a real issue the the Defender, if on a budget and/ or need a car to last longer than the warranty period before it's kn the back or a tow truck then Prado, if you could afford both then I'd take both
any chance uploading vid in 4k??
Here I am watching in 720p because of aussie internet
Defender 👍👍
Prado needs a v6
It has one everrywhere else. Tell toyota au to let you order one!
I had it, 300hp - superb!
I’ll stick with the one that won’t break down in the middle of the desert 🐪
Got to love all these Toyota lovers 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's what she said LOL......
Defender is defenseless against reliable prado. Modern tweaks are countless and they cant offset reliability.
Lets face it the Prado is years behind because fanboys keep buying and Toyota knows it, the engine in the Prado is a joke and the defender's engine shows what investment in technology does in the real world. Lets not forget the cylinder dusting in the Toyota because they can't build an airbox that seals or the manual dpf burn because of more woeful design and development. Then you get too the difference on road handling wise, again the Prado is far behind yet still can't match the defender off-road so no excuse, definitely for fanboys only with deep pockets and little sense.
Toyota FTW
You can go anywhere with both of these offroaders, but only the TOYOTA will always bring you back home - "safe and sound"
Defender looks ugly compared to prado. Prado interior feels dated. But after owning it for a month it feels just fine
Prado value in years will old up never British crap
Don’t know y toyota have heart attack whenever a customer ask for a 6 cylinders diesel in a Prado n hilux
So many inaccuracies in this report. Goodyear make 19” duratracs, a great off-road tyre. Base LR fit out with lots of options, engine, seat etc so not really base offer
Poor journalism for sure but you didn’t come here for integrity did you? Difficulty in 19” is the variety available not that there isn’t any. Plus getting ones that remain legal for your vehicle too. But, I was on 18’s in my d3 and found options and there is so many more today than 11 years ago.
goodyears are not good tyres
The defender will break 😂
Never owned a Toyota yet that gas broke something, from chassis snapping clean through above passenger front wheel to stuffed gearboxes and diffs, bodywork getting fatigue cracks all over the place, over rated over priced. Had much better reliability out of Patrols, I can’t compare LR,s now with Toyota because I haven’t owned a LR since the 80,s, but back during the 70,s and 80,s I drove LR,s all over the most rugged parts of Australia and never once broke down and couldn’t get home.
Prado beats the defender in every aspect. Reliability especially
Comparing apples and oranges really lol
Do they make a model of either for men?
Peanut
Yep. Sure do. It's called the 76 series; and I have one on order....
You mean for gay men?
Both good, but not as good as the Wrangler.
Now there's a lemon...
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land rover reliability crap Toyota proven
If you want to go to the jungle buy a Land Rover.
If you want to come back buy a Land Cruiser.
The Land rover interior is totally disgusting.. Toyota the winner big time..