Speaking as a teacher, if he is behaving like this towards trans students, I guarantee you that he's doing something similar to other students who are not straight, Christian, or white.
@@Vesperitis fear breeds hatred, hatred breeds violence, violence breeds death, and refusing to try and understand things that are differntly is good at causing all 4 of those things to happen
As a former teacher, I got so tired of being accused of "pushing an agenda." I taught US history, so I was also accused of teaching CRT (I wasn't). It's hypocritical to me that a conservative teacher can "push an agenda" and claim protection under the first amendment for their religious beliefs, but a teacher who teaches honest history (not CRT) can't claim that same protection (according to Chrisitan conservatives). I'm so sick of my profession being used as a political battleground, and I'm so sick of Christian nationalists doing all of the things they are accusing eveyrone else of doing (except on a much worse, much larger scale) and claiming religious freedom to protect them from being held accountable for things like treating public school students like crap. Religious bigotry is still bigotry, and we need to stop giving these people a free pass.
Hang on,if you’re a Trans teacher,& a group or individual student/s got pi**y cuz they did the”Sir picks on me/us”or whatever reasons kids lie about,& they “Sir Is weird/creepy”,Chinese whispers,& boom,you’re unemployable..its a reverse uno card.
Equal protection under the law applies to atheists as much as it does for Christians. I’m so sick of my tax dollars going to support religious organizations and individuals like this “activist” teacher.
Except it doesn’t. Just like neurotypicals get way more protection than neurodivergent people. The EEOC is very biased against autistic and make it clear they don’t take our discrimination claims seriously because they think of us as less than even though it’s already proven autistic people mate the MOST discriminated against peoples in the workplace.
@@tgriffin3059 What's the lie? They're not asking him to agree with their philosophical beliefs. They want to be called by the name THEY LEGALLY CHOSE to go by. The only lie here is this man thinking he has the right to impose his religious beliefs upon strangers. He's demonic, as most of these religious fanatics are.
@@tgriffin3059 Refusing to participate in a lie? What lie? The lie of an imaginary sky daddy? The lies in the buybull? The lies of the christo-fascists that pretzel their "baa-liefs 🐑" into to justify hate and discrimination?
@@G7130which would be fine. Using last names is a great gender-neutral way to refer to people. Thats what they do in the military often times. Literally all you have to do is NOT use the name they ask you not to use, and you are fine lol. Poor snowflake boomers apparently don't have the mental capacity to understand preferred names. Even though many of them are named after a family member (father, grandfather, etc.) and go by their middle name to avoid confusion. But that's an ""acceptable" use of preferred names and somehow anything else isn't.
As a teacher I am always disgusted by so-called teachers who can't respect, care for and nurture others, especially their students. You might be hired as a "teacher", but for a lot of kids, you'll always be "that a**hole".
Thank you for understanding, that your influence last far longer than just for the time you actually teach children. Some of you are remembered forever, for both good and bad things.
I went to private schools and public, public schools hardly taught anything and had teachers who where racists, treating kids who he didn't like as trash, we where all trash so instead of teaching electronics, they taught us how to take a lawn more apart.
If you believed the comments in the videos about him, you’d think that he’s been arrested for being a Christian. The truth is that he has repeatedly breached a court order requiring him not to attend the school and, furthermore, he failed to attend court for the breaches of the court order. The arrest has nothing to do with his religion.
And no doubt, he is a member of the "one true religion", those hundreds of thousands of other religions are always false despite having the same lack of evidence as his.
@@Unknown-mf4of You're being too serious about the spiritual aspect of religion. It was people who became priests who ran their communities, no city council, king or queen. There was a very small population back then. Life was different, because the great spirit was passing over all the lands, until some of them erupted in war.
He is hurting his students. Can you imagine the humiliation to these two trans kids, as he calls them by their wrong name in class. I just cannot understand why this guy is a teacher when he cares so little for his individual kids.
Even if every kid in that school stands up for the trans students, yeah, that's disgusting. Knowing me as a highschool student I'd have started calling the teacher by his first name. It's on his birth certificate right?
@@CorwinFound Does he call every Nate Nathaniel, every Matt Matthew, every Joe Joseph, every Betsy Elizabeth, etc.? If not, he's "violating his beliefs"
@@DustinLaGriza You are right. And that _sounds_ hypocritical. But it isn't. Because his belief isn't that everyone should be called by their proper names. His belief is that trans people should be treated like crap. See? No hypocrisy!
The parents need to just legally change the child’s name. Calling a person their own name isn’t child abuse. Lots of children throughout history have had names they hated. It is not a belittling technique.
Participation in a delusion is not really helping anyone. That would be like telling an anorexic girl that, yes, she IS fat, even though she only weighs 85 pounds..
I wonder if he refers to his married female teachers by their maiden names since it’s what is on their birth certificates 🤷🏼♀️ probably not, these types don’t critical think much.
Good point… I’m also pretty sure there are other religious traditions that call for renaming yourself… What would he do then? I’m thinking he’d lean Christian Nationalist
As a trans adult, names do not get any easier. I currently have a coworker who insists on calling me by the wrong title followed by my name. She does not use a title (Mr/Ms) to any other employee except me, so I know it is blatant. Of course she is a "good Christian."
Start calling her "sir", " mr", "he/him". As blatantly as possible. As an Intersex woman who has dealt with similar issues, this often works, and it at least forces them to experience what they put you through.
Unfortunately there’s the whole constitution thing with the first amendment and all. Ridiculous religious freedom of practice clause: “….or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. Sadly that phrase grants legal rights even with the rest of the sentence: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”.
Never underestimate credibility enhancing displays. It is unfortunately the only way people keep their beliefs. "He pissed off so many people so he must be doing something right!"
No. It really isn’t akin. The trans thing is intentionally demeaning and a direct assault on personal identity, while the “Mathew” example would be irritating it wouldn’t have any impact on their dignity, identity or wellbeing.
So he treats his female students differently too right, because they don't need education to thrive in the world because they are destined to be wives.....
@@shakeyj4523plus I bet he would get offended if someone called his wife by her maiden name despite it being the name she was born with and is therefore the “right name”
I had a colleague that tried to do the same thing. I called her out and told her it wasn't her choice to disrespect others because she wanted to push her religious beliefs. She didn't comply, not sure how the district dealt with her.
By his “logic,” a child born with both legs working, who is now crippled, should be made to run laps. They want to keep “gender” as sex, when it has come to mean restrictive social convention and role identification in society. But why would someone living by a ‘code’ laid down thousands of years ago be willing to evolve a word today?
By their logic, it's apparently a horrible sin to create and give a prosthetic limb to a person born without said limb. Because that would be "artificially changing someone from the 'way god made them'." These same people throw fits about Intersex people like me, and want to treat us the exact opposite of the way they treat trans people. In other words, they will reject a trans woman's identity because she was born with male anatomy, but then they see an Intersex woman who has female anatomy (whether fully or partially) and will insist she is a man despite her identifying as the WAY SHE WAS ASSIGNED AT BIRTH, and claim she was "assigned wrong" and should thus be forced into a male bathroom and male sports. They want their cake and to eat it too. Hypicrits.
Sadly, I'd bet that right wing legal group who has taken his case has done so pro bono, in hopes of elevating it to their State Supreme Court, and ultimately to SCOTUS.
All the students… fellow staff… should have started referring to this teacher as “ma’am”… see how long their strongly held religious convictions persisted 🤷♂️
@@ninjalectualx ...In what way is that even remotely close to transphobia? They are calling him the opposite of his preferred gender designation as comeuppance for desiring to impose that exact same thing on literal children for 'religious reasons.' What mental gymnastics did you have to go through to come to the conclusion that doing this shows fear or contempt for trans people?
@ninja As an Intersex women with naturally androgynous features, I have been mistaken for a trans woman various times, and then sometimes people try to use male pronouns due to their thinking I'm trans. It'd be wrong even if I was, but that's a different point. I have utilized this exact method of referring to them by the opposite pronouns in exchange, and it is one of the few methods that has a high rate of success in stopping the disrespect, and it puts those people directly in the shoes/ experience of the people they are attacking, so they can thus KNOW how it feels. It is 100% appropriate.
@@korayven9255 That's intentional misgendering, and you shouldn't do it, no matter why you think it's a good idea. Be better than the people you're trying to teach.
I was a substitute teacher and one day I had a 7th grade music class, and there was a student named Lisa on the class list. I kept calling her name, and no one answered. However, the number of students present matched the number on the class list. After doing this a few times, with everyone staring at me blankly, I finally said, "Where is Lisa and why is no one answering me when i ask you where she is?" One boy finally said, "Lisa is Larry now. " I did notice one person who hadn't answered when I called names. He was one of those kids that the teacher isn't sure to call "he" or "she" when you meet them. That's actually not unusual! Some kids are just not clearly a boy or a girl, even when they're really little! So i looked at Larry and i said "Oh! I'm sorry!" Class went on, we had a good day! Really would have helped if the class list had been correct! P.S. Those aren't the real names. I don't remember the real names.
Yes - teachers, if one if your students changes name and will not answer to the one on the class list, please be kind and update the class list that day if possible!
They have some responsibility there too. All of them knew what was going on. They were being mean, and that should not be tolerated either. He knows his name is Lisa on the Roll, and he knows you would not know otherwise. I doubt you are the first sub he has had. You did exactly the right thing, but Larry did not.
@@shakeyj4523Lots of assumptions there. First off, absolutely no way of knowing how many subs this kid has had since transitioning or how that's been handled previously. That's fanfic in your own mind. Also, did you not listen to this entire video? That kid could have been dealing with ongoing and brutal discrimination and disrespect from one or even every teacher they have. Maybe being incorrectly named has been a purposeful action that he and his classmates are just tired of and they refused to play along. According to the story, when the teacher finally said they were confused and didn't know what was going on, the situation was explained. Which to me indicates that purposeful misgendering has been happening. Do NOT be so quick to blame trans folk when they don't react all "nice" all the time. You have no idea what crap they have been through and there is usually a very good explanation for what appears rude or belligerent behaviour.
@@CorwinFound No, there are no assumptions. The kid knew what his name used to be. They all did. They knew exactly what was happening. All he had to do is say his name had changed. It really does not matter if he transitioned one day before. That would be all the more reason to know and not less.
@@shakeyj4523 While, yes, I believe the situation could have been dealt with better They're also children? Like, (if it was known) the school or other teachers should pull the substitute aside or let them know beforehand If a kid doesn't want to be called by something, they just don't answer - that's even how it goes with nicknames or things that couldn't even be mistaken as talking to someone else Silence in that situation is a way to hint at not wanting to be called that way I don't think anyone was in the wrong here, just needed a better way to get the news out
I don't ever recall reading anything where Jesus said you can't call a student by their preferred pronouns. That being the case, exactly how does that violate his Christian beliefs?
His rights stop at the end of his finger and at the tip of everyone's nose. His religious choices should not limit anyone else. Like a Mennonite does not take a bus driving job, he can't teach for the same personally limiting reasons.
@@CorwinFound I'd say it's more the culture/community around his denomination. I know a lot of Christians that have no issue using trans people's names, so they've found a way to practice their faith without seeing necessary transphobia in the Bible. From my understanding, there's not really anything in the text itself that forbids people from transitioning genders. Some sects have just decided that trans hatred is part of their practice now because they lost the legal and cultural standing to hate gay people freely. This seems primarily if not solely cultural because critical parts of the New Testament are about disregarding old religious rules and instead following the teaching of Jesus which are largely based on tolerance and compassion for the disenfranchised -- at least that's what my religious family members claim and my limited reading of the Bible. There are also some Muslim-majority countries that force gay men to transition into women so that their behavior cannot be considered gay, and since both religions are closely related it seems that gayness is the problem and not changing genders.
@@watsonwrote I absolutely agree that not all Christians are anti-trans. Some of the strongest activists I've met are church leaders. On the other side of that I've met many transphobes and only one was not basing/justifying their bigotry on Christianity and she was all new age, anti-vax, medicine is poison, trans is against Mother nature which I tentatively put in the religious reasoning for bigotry pile as well. (For context I'm trans and an activist at a minor level.) The reality is that it's pretty hard to be transphobic without some religious zealotry involved. You may not see it that way but many/most Evangelical churches do and they hold up Christianity as their reasoning. If everyone of a certain religious sect all say they believe something and agree that it is part of their religion, even to the point of justifying bigotry and hate crimes _with their religious beliefs,_ then it isn't cultural. Those ARE the religious beliefs. Christianity is a huge religion with literal thousands of sects. And they are all Christians whether you as a different denomination of Christian disagrees with their specific tenets.
Argyle is a tiny town of only about 900 people! Their high school has 80 students and the elementary school has 149! I bet the middle school is connected to the elementary school. That poor kid must get a lot of flack in that little, conservative town. Good for the school for sticking up for them!
I don’t know any background on this, but it strikes me as frivolous suit that will be tossed. Either that or this “teacher” may have to pay attorneys fees and court costs if he loses. Some radical right wing group is probably funding the teacher.
So does he also refuse to use 'Lizzy' because the birth certificate says Elizabeth? How about 'Bob' for Robert? Does he also refuse to use nicknames? Seems to me that the guy is using religion as an excuse to be an AH!
You can also civilly litigate for any reason and unfortunately the constitution will be used in court as the reason. Refuse to contract is one thing but civil rights is another in a court of law.
Your rights don’t allow you to ignore other peoples rights you’re whatever these first amendment people want to scream my rights. Yeah your rights don’t let you trample over other peoples rights.
My child's art teacher was introduced with their preferred name, their birth name is difficult to decipher. He used my child's preferred name for TWO months, then politely asked how to pronounce their birth name. Having gained my child's trust, they shared the pronunciation. There after he would ONLY refer to them by the birth name, in front of EVERRYONE. This resulted in my child being harassed in that class, being targeted, and having their art defaced with the birth name on the face of a self portrait. SHAME on such teachers! I didn't discover HIS part until my child could speak about it a year later. :(
Can these idiots realize that it isn't only trans kids that go by alternate names! They want to harass and be bigots so bad they can't see beyond their own nosy noses.
In the letter from the district administrator, it said if he refused to comply it would result in disciplinary actions “up to and including termination” and in his response letter he quotes the same thing. If he wasn’t fired, it was definitely something the school district was prepared to do.
@@kurtwicklund8901 I would think if your contract is not renewed, you cannot get unemployment, whereas you could if you were fired. And if that's true, then for sure it's legally distinct and a big enough difference.
When I went to school, the teachers usually asked us what we wanted to be called. This was in the 60s and 70s. This teacher is a cruel man hiding behind religion.
He was a coach. A common practice among this paradigm is the use of surnames to call or correct. If he can’t do what boot camp instructors do, then he shouldn’t be in an educational role. With the admission that his reservation was religiously motivated, one must also remind everyone that duty is always foremost before dogma. Believe what you want, but understand that as an educator, you have been entrusted with precious cargo. Any harm, physical or otherwise, is a grievous violation of that trust. Let’s also remember that students are required to attend school by law. For an educator to set an example of deliberate disrespect to another human only corrupts future attempts by those students regarding respect. Hurt people hurt people.
@@katyungodly What about local performers who start to get paid but want to avoid income tax? I played in three bands where the leaders' last name was Dee.
Hello new subscriber. I am enjoying your content, so thank you. Having been raised in the church and seeing the hypocrisy I know as an adult now I consider the religious freedom means freedom from religion.
He is like a firefighter who doesn't want to rescue all or a doctor who doesn't want to save all. Just be respectful, dang! He expects it. Therefore, he should do the same. Again, he's the reason not everyone should be a teacher if you don't know how to have a caring heart.
There is no excuse, regardless of one's beliefs or superstitions, where the refusal to respect the dignity of a person is okay. I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near my children, under any circumstances.
@@carissafisher7514 Except our current Supreme Court is staffed by people with no respect for the Constitution and judicial precedent and are determined to forward a Christian-oriented agenda. They won't give a horse dump about students. They will gladly use this case to demand respect for any claimed Christian belief that supports conservative control.
Yeah, self-righteous people with clear prejudice should never be in positions that place emphasis on human interaction such as educators or customer services.
Pastor here. I grew up conservative but changed in seminary. I continue to be open to learning. I have tried to understand but I can't for the life of me understand why this has become political. If my name is Peter but I want to be referred to as Jack, who cares? That's about me, not you. Why is that a reflection on anything you believe? Dig into their life more and we will probably find many contradictions of their belief and way of living. This is not love of neighbor.
Is there any justification in the New Testament for not respecting trans people or for preventing people from transitioning genders? I don't understand where the scriptural justification is. It seems primarily cultural, but the culture doesn't seem to have come from the Bible as far as I can tell.
@watsonwrote the argument they make is about "natural order." Or they will lump it into "sexual immorality." These people will just interpret that anyway they want. If they think something is "not natural" or immoral, that is what the Bible is talking about to them. It's proof texting. I would argue that the Ethiopian eunuch is a good passage that can be connected to gender and being accepted into the Kingdom of God. But as much as we might say there can not possibly be anything in the Bible negative about lgbtq people, it's hard to find positives specifically other than passage that talk about God's radical inclusiveness, creativity, bend toward the marginalized, call to love all, etc. It's like know your parents love you and knowing that who ever you bring home as ur future spouse, they will support you. A lot of conservative Christian beliefs are not orginal to the church. They are recent developments. Even the idea that the Bible is inerrant is from the 1980s. Look up Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy. It was a response to the APA removing homosexuality from the DSM in the 70s. They suddenly had to say the Bible has no errors to set the stage for a battle with science and research.
@@watsonwroteUmmmm. Well first off the Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek. Other languages have totally, and I do mean totally different ways of treating gender and pronouns in their language. What creates culture wars in the 2020s in English is just not a factor in many other languages in the world. Americans in particular (not referring to you!) are so ignorant of world languages and linguistics in general that it doesn't even occur to them that the rest of the world doesn't even have a concept of gendered language in the same way.
@watsonwrote there really isn't. They lump it all under the English word translations like "sexual immorality" or "unnatural." Those things in the Bible are referring what the author views, maybe even the larger culture at the time, thought was so. Simply put, if we dont consider something abnormal, it's not abnormal. The other interest question to raise is does the Bible speak positively about lgbtq people. A straight up answer to be no. Just like we don't actually find the Bible not talking about guns or smog from cars bc it wasn't an issue then(as we understand it today...) it would obviously not talk about it at all. But all Christians progressive and conservative interpret certain things to apply to today. I would say one of the best passage that could be pro trans might be the passage about the Ethiopian eunuch. Traditionally, it is used to tall about how the message of Jesus is moving out into the world (to black people) I could see his Eunuch identity being significant to also being included in the Kingdom of God. Theologians smarter than me have talk about this. We don't want to read more than there is when we read the Bible but we cannot deny that this is how the guy is described. That might not have meant anything to the author but it could mean something to us. The general practice of doing exactly what the Bible says and doesn't say is not how it is meant to be used. It is not what the Bible is. It's a conversation throughout time. Sometimes one moral concept might be good, at other times, it is morally bad. You can follow the letter of a law while ignoring the heart of it. That is the witness of the entirety of the Bible. We can fall into the system that conservative make up. Progressive can not win on that ground. Again progressives are at a disadvantage bc we always have to say " it is nuanced..." while they say "see, it says it clearly..." when it doesn't. I have led Bible studies with friends who are realizing their churches don't care about things like racism. We had to start from the beginning asking what is the Bible? It's not written by God. Answer this question is like watching sausages being made. Will you come out still honoring it, in the least respecting it? I went through this and I can out with a good amount of respect for how good it can be or how dangerous it can be if in the wrong hands. I find that the movie book of Eli expresses this well...haha
@dpej5167 totally agree. In Korean, we don't use pronouns. Just simply that American Churches default to God as "he" has huge implications. Of course the conservative Christians are the ones who have the least understanding of world cultures and how it affects even Christianity itself. Christianity is very different manifested in different cultures for a reason. Of course they will also reason this away by saying Jesus is abive cultures while ignoring how Jesus being Jewish during Riman occupation has everything to do with his death. It's like this is all too much for them to juggle. I say this as someone who was conservative. I didn't care to know, it was so much that I thought progressive were just trying to confuse me. Good thing I was forced to face it in seminary. Not all seminaries are made alike. Haha.
So…when people get married, does he refuse to use their name because that isn’t the name given to them by their parents? Is his wife still going by her maiden name?
"I have only acted according to the rule of my conscience, which is governed and held accountable to God. When I drive my four-horse chariot on the left-hand side of the road in Wisconsin, I cannot be held responsible for the pile-ups, deaths and injuries amongst those who foolishly deny the laws of heaven by driving their cars and trucks on the right-hand side."
The "god doesn't make mistakes" argument always throws me. Like, if god makes no mistakes and he created trans people, then doesn't thag just validate their existence?
@@carissafisher7514 If your birth name is no longer your name, it is dehumanizing. If someone changed their name from Alex to Paul, would you imagine Paul felt disrespected and ashamed if one person refused to say Paul and kept calling him Alex? What if Paul's name change was brought about because of a significant life event, like a change in his religion? What if he changed it to cope with a traumatic event in his childhood? Every refusal to use Paul's actual name is a jab at his faith or a resurfacing of his painful past experience. Everyone in Paul's life calls him Paul, and this one person using Alex stands out in his refusal and targetting in a public setting. Can you see why this would feel dehumanizing?
@@carissafisher7514 If you told me your name was Carissa but I insisted on calling you Tom, would you not be upset? If I refused to call you what you prefer to be called because of what I think is between your legs, isn't that dehumanizing? To boil your identity down to what /I/ think it should be, and not what you feel?
No, what they say is that they used their free will to make the mistake, so God didn't make it, the kid did. And if God doesn't make mistakes, how come a snake outsmarted him?
More people should look at our planet, our universe, as being God, what everything is. That would make them look at their lives, where they live, and what they can do to be healthy. There were no diseases for humans in North, Central and South America, until Europeans brought them over. Is it too late?
@@johnwattdotca "no diseases for humans" not quite - there were still diseases. Just not the same diseases. Natives had tolerance for the diseases they grew up with, but not the ones the Europeans brought with them, so smallpox killed thousands of natives.
with all the parochial schools around why did he inflict his nonsense at a public school. hilarious even the religious would walk out on him. Kudos to my kids high school for supporting their LGBTQ+ students.
My sister’s name is Danielle. Her nickname from infancy (some 40 years) has been Dani. She was born female, she identifies as female, she is engaged to a cis male. She works in a school. A parent had a fit when a coworker called her Dani because that’s a male name. They accused her of pushing a “f*g agenda”. 🤬🤦♀️I personally I prefer Shelly over Michelle and asked teachers throughout my school years to call me Shelly. You can just have a preferred name outside of being Transgender and people seem to forget that. Calm down people. It’s not hard to call someone by a preferred name.
Sorry, but that teacher rightfully deserves to be fired and barred from ever teaching around children again if they want to sit there and abuse a child and tell them they're not themselves. Absolutely disgusting. Hope he gets laughed out of court. Child abuse is a serious issue. Trans children, especially, get it really badly from this exact behavior. Be better and respect each other :(
Not Christian really, Old Testament stuff and that selectively taken out of context.. Jesus was the Golden Rule guy. But odd I know his faith better than him.
@kurtwicklund8901 1 in 100 self-proclaimed "christians" actually follow the teachings of Christ. As it stands in the modern age, "Christian" does not mean a follower of Jesus. It means a member of the "christian" church... One of the most evil and powerful organizations on the planet. If you want the "golden rule", you should look basically anywhere else. You won't find it in a church.
I, almost 50, remember when I was young on the first day of school the teachers would ask us if we had names we preferred to be called, nicknames or whatever...no big deal. I remember this happening through most of my public school years too. What an ahole! Good riddance.
If his contract ran out they were under no requirement to renew his contract especially if he would not follow the rules set out as a condition of his employment. If he decides that his religion says he needs to employ corporal punishment does that give him the right to break those rules? if his religion dictates that a young girl is actually an adult woman and he can therefore have intimate contact with them does his religion override rules?
People are so very confused about what a “right” means. One person’s right to religion, free speech, to bear arms, etc. does NOT give them the license to use it to defy laws or to hurt others, nor to infringe on THEIR rights. I truly think that the concept of what a civil right IS has gotten completely distorted.
Newsflash: if a kids name is Josh but he prefers to go by his middle name Adam then you're a huge weirdo jerk for insisting on calling him Josh. Just apply this to all students
No one is asking you to do anything you're not already doing. You don't need to know what's going on in other people's pants. If your religion is f'd with by acting like a normal person then it's your fault.
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Nothing is more Christian than dehumanizing in the name of their faith
Very common behaviour of so called Christians.
Funny how a religion about “love and peace” are always the ones starting culture wars because they hate those of different ideological beliefs
Word.
Like when they got upset at the bill that would remove the religious exemption from hatecrimes. Telling on themselves
A good example of this is the reason behind the invention of the "Puckle Gun", by James Puckle.
If you can't respect students and parents then you shouldn't become a teacher.
There are clearly MANY times when students and especially parents do not warrant respect. Respect is earned not demanded.
@Martial-Mat not in this case its not.
If your name was KatyGodly this same comment would have a very different meaning
Students yes. Parents need to back off.
@@Martial-Mat It looks like respect can be regulated in the United States.
if the teacher is behaving like that towards the trans students, then he’s giving other students permission to harass trans kids in the same way
This! Exactly! How could a GOOD teacher not see that.
Speaking as a teacher, if he is behaving like this towards trans students, I guarantee you that he's doing something similar to other students who are not straight, Christian, or white.
And they are already probably catching hell.
@@Vesperitis fear breeds hatred, hatred breeds violence, violence breeds death, and refusing to try and understand things that are differntly is good at causing all 4 of those things to happen
exactly, the way they treat a certain student effects how the students treat them.
As a former teacher, I got so tired of being accused of "pushing an agenda." I taught US history, so I was also accused of teaching CRT (I wasn't). It's hypocritical to me that a conservative teacher can "push an agenda" and claim protection under the first amendment for their religious beliefs, but a teacher who teaches honest history (not CRT) can't claim that same protection (according to Chrisitan conservatives). I'm so sick of my profession being used as a political battleground, and I'm so sick of Christian nationalists doing all of the things they are accusing eveyrone else of doing (except on a much worse, much larger scale) and claiming religious freedom to protect them from being held accountable for things like treating public school students like crap. Religious bigotry is still bigotry, and we need to stop giving these people a free pass.
Well said!
I wonder if the teacher is a parent. Maybe Vance would want him out of the school, as well.
You can now. Just join The Satanic Temple, and claim Religious freedom to teach facts and use evidence.
Hang on,if you’re a Trans teacher,& a group or individual student/s got pi**y cuz they did the”Sir picks on me/us”or whatever reasons kids lie about,& they “Sir Is weird/creepy”,Chinese whispers,& boom,you’re unemployable..its a reverse uno card.
Ironically a lot of history textbooks ignore the history of minorities. If anything, the "agenda" is anti-minority, the opposite of what they claim.
Waaa, you won't let me bully children, give me money, waaaa
Equal protection under the law applies to atheists as much as it does for Christians. I’m so sick of my tax dollars going to support religious organizations and individuals like this “activist” teacher.
EXACTLY 💯
Except it doesn’t. Just like neurotypicals get way more protection than neurodivergent people. The EEOC is very biased against autistic and make it clear they don’t take our discrimination claims seriously because they think of us as less than even though it’s already proven autistic people mate the MOST discriminated against peoples in the workplace.
The biggest lie ever is religion.
@@tgriffin3059 What's the lie? They're not asking him to agree with their philosophical beliefs. They want to be called by the name THEY LEGALLY CHOSE to go by. The only lie here is this man thinking he has the right to impose his religious beliefs upon strangers. He's demonic, as most of these religious fanatics are.
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Refusing to participate in a lie? What lie?
The lie of an imaginary sky daddy? The lies in the buybull? The lies of the christo-fascists that pretzel their "baa-liefs 🐑" into to justify hate and discrimination?
Someone who doesn't respect others wants his beliefs to be respected? Sounds like hypocrisy... which makes sense because of his beliefs.
It's the way of right wing bigots. "You have to be tolerant of my intolerance"
He needs to keep his religion OUT of PUBLIC school...separation!
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He's suffering from TSS. tump the sameness syndrome.
Thats irrelevant really..
And the students need to stop this Bs. I’d call them all by last name just as it’s been done for decades.
@@G7130which would be fine. Using last names is a great gender-neutral way to refer to people. Thats what they do in the military often times.
Literally all you have to do is NOT use the name they ask you not to use, and you are fine lol. Poor snowflake boomers apparently don't have the mental capacity to understand preferred names. Even though many of them are named after a family member (father, grandfather, etc.) and go by their middle name to avoid confusion. But that's an ""acceptable" use of preferred names and somehow anything else isn't.
As a teacher I am always disgusted by so-called teachers who can't respect, care for and nurture others, especially their students. You might be hired as a "teacher", but for a lot of kids, you'll always be "that a**hole".
That's a big part of the problem...weaklings like yourself who want to be liked by the kids instead of being an actual ADULT.
Thank you for understanding, that your influence last far longer than just for the time you actually teach children.
Some of you are remembered forever, for both good and bad things.
I went to private schools and public, public schools hardly taught anything and had teachers who where racists, treating kids who he didn't like as trash, we where all trash so instead of teaching electronics, they taught us how to take a lawn more apart.
we have one of those here in Ireland he was fired , ad keeps being arrested for standing outside the school now, cause that's not totally creepy
I just learned of this poor confused man yesterday. He is SO being enabled by fanatical supporters cheering him on.
Meanwhile they all eat pork.
Holy shit a local fucking weirdo.
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If you believed the comments in the videos about him, you’d think that he’s been arrested for being a Christian. The truth is that he has repeatedly breached a court order requiring him not to attend the school and, furthermore, he failed to attend court for the breaches of the court order. The arrest has nothing to do with his religion.
Typical right wing / conservative / republiKKKon behavior.
As a retired high school English teacher, I am LIVID about this. Students have the human & civil rights to their identities!
#NoGodsNoMasters
He feels the sense of entitlement that his religion bestows upon him.
If you're willing to believe in god without evidence, then who can guess what other random things you might believe are real
His use of personal technology also pumps him up.
And no doubt, he is a member of the "one true religion", those hundreds of thousands of other religions are always false despite having the same lack of evidence as his.
@@Unknown-mf4of You're being too serious about the spiritual aspect of religion. It was people who became priests who ran their communities, no city council, king or queen. There was a very small population back then. Life was different, because the great spirit was passing over all the lands, until some of them erupted in war.
@AurumButterfly I do not care what you have an issue with. Nobody, but nobody, is compelled to respect anybody's fairytale.
He is hurting his students. Can you imagine the humiliation to these two trans kids, as he calls them by their wrong name in class. I just cannot understand why this guy is a teacher when he cares so little for his individual kids.
Even if every kid in that school stands up for the trans students, yeah, that's disgusting. Knowing me as a highschool student I'd have started calling the teacher by his first name. It's on his birth certificate right?
@@CorwinFound Does he call every Nate Nathaniel, every Matt Matthew, every Joe Joseph, every Betsy Elizabeth, etc.? If not, he's "violating his beliefs"
@@DustinLaGriza You are right. And that _sounds_ hypocritical. But it isn't. Because his belief isn't that everyone should be called by their proper names. His belief is that trans people should be treated like crap. See? No hypocrisy!
The parents need to just legally change the child’s name. Calling a person their own name isn’t child abuse. Lots of children throughout history have had names they hated. It is not a belittling technique.
Participation in a delusion is not really helping anyone. That would be like telling an anorexic girl that, yes, she IS fat, even though she only weighs 85 pounds..
Imagine refusing to respect your students.
I wonder if he refers to his married female teachers by their maiden names since it’s what is on their birth certificates 🤷🏼♀️ probably not, these types don’t critical think much.
Or adopted kids who had a different name at birth?
Good point… I’m also pretty sure there are other religious traditions that call for renaming yourself…
What would he do then?
I’m thinking he’d lean Christian Nationalist
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@@slickandslaycious6579 converting to Islam tends to involve a name change
Great point!!❤❤❤😊
As a trans adult, names do not get any easier. I currently have a coworker who insists on calling me by the wrong title followed by my name. She does not use a title (Mr/Ms) to any other employee except me, so I know it is blatant. Of course she is a "good Christian."
Call her another name that feels more appropriate to who she is. Call her Karen.
Just say to her that it's your "Deeply Held Religious Conviction TM" that she's an absolute .....
Start calling her "sir", " mr", "he/him". As blatantly as possible. As an Intersex woman who has dealt with similar issues, this often works, and it at least forces them to experience what they put you through.
Report it to HR.
No ifs, ands, or buts. ZERO TOLERANCE.
That’s truly vile. It’s one thing to forget, but to go out of your way to disrespect somebody is grounds for termination.
Goodness. If he gets a single penny from the lawsuit I'm going to loose my shit.
All I can think of is the US Supreme Court 😢.
I read this headline and go "Oh, this is how the Supreme Court makes 'transphobe' a protected class..."
Funny how they are quick to claim something goes against their religious beliefs but have no problem stepping on others beliefs 😂
Unfortunately there’s the whole constitution thing with the first amendment and all. Ridiculous religious freedom of practice clause: “….or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
Sadly that phrase grants legal rights even with the rest of the sentence: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”.
The teacher was fired for disobeying a direct and specific instruction by his administrator. He suggested and was given reasonable accommodations.
Like his brave Roman forebears, our modern Christians long for martyrdom. Only now they consider getting fired martyrdom.
They destroy themselves then whine about how oppressed they are.
Never underestimate credibility enhancing displays. It is unfortunately the only way people keep their beliefs.
"He pissed off so many people so he must be doing something right!"
Being called weird makes them martyrs
He wasn't even fired, he just wasn't invited to return 😂
@@ninjalectualx Being called weird is the new American term for being a narcotic drug addict. It sounds more polite.
In the Bible, Saul changes his name to Paul and no one gives a shit, so why does he think calling his students by their preferred name is unChristian?
This is akin to saying "I will not call you Matt, I will call you Matthew because that was the name given to you at birth"
Bingo. I'm Jon, not Jonathan. But unlike this teacher the Almighty doesn't whisper in my ear personality.
No. It really isn’t akin. The trans thing is intentionally demeaning and a direct assault on personal identity, while the “Mathew” example would be irritating it wouldn’t have any impact on their dignity, identity or wellbeing.
@arlarl5122 well that is the teacher's intention, sure. That is the logic he is employing though (albeit in bad faith).
The former teacher's lack of critical reasoning astounds me.
@@goodshepard00 big time.
Idgaf, what you personally believe about trans people. It is your job as a teacher to set an example. Bullying children is not acceptable.
The teacher is the one being bullied. You people are absolute loons...
So he treats his female students differently too right, because they don't need education to thrive in the world because they are destined to be wives.....
I wonder what would happen if parents started telling their students to call him Miss Teacher, instead of MR?
@shakeyj4523 , lol. Love it. So true about the female students tho. "They will prob marry husband" ok so. Lol. I just don'tt get Christian people.
You see the photo of him with his wife and his FIVE young children? That's exactly what he thinks of his students of one particular sex.
@@shakeyj4523plus I bet he would get offended if someone called his wife by her maiden name despite it being the name she was born with and is therefore the “right name”
Religious rights do not supercede human rights. Your religious liberty ends when it encroaches on my personhood. Period, end of discussion.
I've said that to a few. Lol
I had a colleague that tried to do the same thing. I called her out and told her it wasn't her choice to disrespect others because she wanted to push her religious beliefs. She didn't comply, not sure how the district dealt with her.
He wants the right to harass and bully and nothing more. He's Haywarding all over the place.
By his “logic,” a child born with both legs working, who is now crippled, should be made to run laps. They want to keep “gender” as sex, when it has come to mean restrictive social convention and role identification in society. But why would someone living by a ‘code’ laid down thousands of years ago be willing to evolve a word today?
By their logic, it's apparently a horrible sin to create and give a prosthetic limb to a person born without said limb. Because that would be "artificially changing someone from the 'way god made them'." These same people throw fits about Intersex people like me, and want to treat us the exact opposite of the way they treat trans people. In other words, they will reject a trans woman's identity because she was born with male anatomy, but then they see an Intersex woman who has female anatomy (whether fully or partially) and will insist she is a man despite her identifying as the WAY SHE WAS ASSIGNED AT BIRTH, and claim she was "assigned wrong" and should thus be forced into a male bathroom and male sports. They want their cake and to eat it too. Hypicrits.
Its never about their right to practice their religion, rather their right to impose their religion on everyone else.
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Yeah.
In my country we would show to respect and he would comply, because if he didn't
Well, bad for him.
SMDH. As the daughter and granddaughter of teachers, I hope he spends all his money and doesn’t see a dime.
Sadly, I'd bet that right wing legal group who has taken his case has done so pro bono, in hopes of elevating it to their State Supreme Court, and ultimately to SCOTUS.
His rights end where the rights of his students, the rules laid out by his employer, and the laws of the land begin.
All the students… fellow staff… should have started referring to this teacher as “ma’am”… see how long their strongly held religious convictions persisted 🤷♂️
No. Don't meet transphobia with EVEN MORE transphobia 🤦♀️
I think Mr Douche or D-bag would work too.
@@ninjalectualx ...In what way is that even remotely close to transphobia? They are calling him the opposite of his preferred gender designation as comeuppance for desiring to impose that exact same thing on literal children for 'religious reasons.' What mental gymnastics did you have to go through to come to the conclusion that doing this shows fear or contempt for trans people?
@ninja As an Intersex women with naturally androgynous features, I have been mistaken for a trans woman various times, and then sometimes people try to use male pronouns due to their thinking I'm trans. It'd be wrong even if I was, but that's a different point. I have utilized this exact method of referring to them by the opposite pronouns in exchange, and it is one of the few methods that has a high rate of success in stopping the disrespect, and it puts those people directly in the shoes/ experience of the people they are attacking, so they can thus KNOW how it feels. It is 100% appropriate.
@@korayven9255 That's intentional misgendering, and you shouldn't do it, no matter why you think it's a good idea. Be better than the people you're trying to teach.
"People, even in my church, are disgusted by me! YES! YES! YES!"
"Perhaps it is I who is at fault.... No. No, it is everyone else who is the problem!"
I was a substitute teacher and one day I had a 7th grade music class, and there was a student named Lisa on the class list. I kept calling her name, and no one answered. However, the number of students present matched the number on the class list. After doing this a few times, with everyone staring at me blankly, I finally said, "Where is Lisa and why is no one answering me when i ask you where she is?"
One boy finally said, "Lisa is Larry now. " I did notice one person who hadn't answered when I called names. He was one of those kids that the teacher isn't sure to call "he" or "she" when you meet them. That's actually not unusual! Some kids are just not clearly a boy or a girl, even when they're really little!
So i looked at Larry and i said "Oh! I'm sorry!" Class went on, we had a good day!
Really would have helped if the class list had been correct!
P.S. Those aren't the real names. I don't remember the real names.
Yes - teachers, if one if your students changes name and will not answer to the one on the class list, please be kind and update the class list that day if possible!
They have some responsibility there too. All of them knew what was going on. They were being mean, and that should not be tolerated either. He knows his name is Lisa on the Roll, and he knows you would not know otherwise. I doubt you are the first sub he has had. You did exactly the right thing, but Larry did not.
@@shakeyj4523Lots of assumptions there. First off, absolutely no way of knowing how many subs this kid has had since transitioning or how that's been handled previously. That's fanfic in your own mind.
Also, did you not listen to this entire video? That kid could have been dealing with ongoing and brutal discrimination and disrespect from one or even every teacher they have. Maybe being incorrectly named has been a purposeful action that he and his classmates are just tired of and they refused to play along.
According to the story, when the teacher finally said they were confused and didn't know what was going on, the situation was explained. Which to me indicates that purposeful misgendering has been happening.
Do NOT be so quick to blame trans folk when they don't react all "nice" all the time. You have no idea what crap they have been through and there is usually a very good explanation for what appears rude or belligerent behaviour.
@@CorwinFound No, there are no assumptions. The kid knew what his name used to be. They all did. They knew exactly what was happening. All he had to do is say his name had changed. It really does not matter if he transitioned one day before. That would be all the more reason to know and not less.
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While, yes, I believe the situation could have been dealt with better
They're also children? Like, (if it was known) the school or other teachers should pull the substitute aside or let them know beforehand
If a kid doesn't want to be called by something, they just don't answer - that's even how it goes with nicknames or things that couldn't even be mistaken as talking to someone else
Silence in that situation is a way to hint at not wanting to be called that way
I don't think anyone was in the wrong here, just needed a better way to get the news out
He claims that is god that judges and yet it's him that makes the judging by his bigoted actions
He forgot to read Mathew 7
You Wil not judge, because you will be judge back.
I don't ever recall reading anything where Jesus said you can't call a student by their preferred pronouns.
That being the case, exactly how does that violate his Christian beliefs?
Technically Correct Jesus is one of the more annoying variants.
Of course the first thing he does is hide behind his religion.
average christian troglodyte
His rights stop at the end of his finger and at the tip of everyone's nose. His religious choices should not limit anyone else.
Like a Mennonite does not take a bus driving job, he can't teach for the same personally limiting reasons.
I wouldn't say he's hiding behind his religion because his religion is _the_ reason for his transphobia.
@@CorwinFound I'd say it's more the culture/community around his denomination. I know a lot of Christians that have no issue using trans people's names, so they've found a way to practice their faith without seeing necessary transphobia in the Bible.
From my understanding, there's not really anything in the text itself that forbids people from transitioning genders. Some sects have just decided that trans hatred is part of their practice now because they lost the legal and cultural standing to hate gay people freely. This seems primarily if not solely cultural because critical parts of the New Testament are about disregarding old religious rules and instead following the teaching of Jesus which are largely based on tolerance and compassion for the disenfranchised -- at least that's what my religious family members claim and my limited reading of the Bible. There are also some Muslim-majority countries that force gay men to transition into women so that their behavior cannot be considered gay, and since both religions are closely related it seems that gayness is the problem and not changing genders.
@@watsonwrote I absolutely agree that not all Christians are anti-trans. Some of the strongest activists I've met are church leaders. On the other side of that I've met many transphobes and only one was not basing/justifying their bigotry on Christianity and she was all new age, anti-vax, medicine is poison, trans is against Mother nature which I tentatively put in the religious reasoning for bigotry pile as well. (For context I'm trans and an activist at a minor level.)
The reality is that it's pretty hard to be transphobic without some religious zealotry involved. You may not see it that way but many/most Evangelical churches do and they hold up Christianity as their reasoning. If everyone of a certain religious sect all say they believe something and agree that it is part of their religion, even to the point of justifying bigotry and hate crimes _with their religious beliefs,_ then it isn't cultural. Those ARE the religious beliefs. Christianity is a huge religion with literal thousands of sects. And they are all Christians whether you as a different denomination of Christian disagrees with their specific tenets.
That poor district probably doesn’t have a ton of money to throw around for this BS
Argyle is a tiny town of only about 900 people! Their high school has 80 students and the elementary school has 149! I bet the middle school is connected to the elementary school. That poor kid must get a lot of flack in that little, conservative town. Good for the school for sticking up for them!
I don’t know any background on this, but it strikes me as frivolous suit that will be tossed. Either that or this “teacher” may have to pay attorneys fees and court costs if he loses. Some radical right wing group is probably funding the teacher.
So does he also refuse to use 'Lizzy' because the birth certificate says Elizabeth? How about 'Bob' for Robert? Does he also refuse to use nicknames?
Seems to me that the guy is using religion as an excuse to be an AH!
i think he has always been an a-hole. he uses his religion to justify his beliefs.
They can refuse to renew a contract for any reason. I would love to say this won't win in court but the world isn't reasonable.
To be fair, I have heard some decent things about Wisconsin lately in regards to equality and basic human rights.
You can also civilly litigate for any reason and unfortunately the constitution will be used in court as the reason. Refuse to contract is one thing but civil rights is another in a court of law.
Your rights don’t allow you to ignore other peoples rights you’re whatever these first amendment people want to scream my rights. Yeah your rights don’t let you trample over other peoples rights.
My sincerely held identity is absolutely NOT superseded by anybodies, "sincerely held religious belief"
He gets his karma when his kids grow up.
My child's art teacher was introduced with their preferred name, their birth name is difficult to decipher. He used my child's preferred name for TWO months, then politely asked how to pronounce their birth name. Having gained my child's trust, they shared the pronunciation. There after he would ONLY refer to them by the birth name, in front of EVERRYONE. This resulted in my child being harassed in that class, being targeted, and having their art defaced with the birth name on the face of a self portrait. SHAME on such teachers! I didn't discover HIS part until my child could speak about it a year later. :(
Can these idiots realize that it isn't only trans kids that go by alternate names! They want to harass and be bigots so bad they can't see beyond their own nosy noses.
He can give any excuse he wants but he simply is just being a dick and selfish while working a job where you need to be empathetic
Did they fire him or simply not renew a contract? Big difference.
Not really. Shake hands with the American legal reality.
In the letter from the district administrator, it said if he refused to comply it would result in disciplinary actions “up to and including termination” and in his response letter he quotes the same thing. If he wasn’t fired, it was definitely something the school district was prepared to do.
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I would think if your contract is not renewed, you cannot get unemployment, whereas you could if you were fired.
And if that's true, then for sure it's legally distinct and a big enough difference.
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If I understand correctly, his contract was not renewed.
Guy really said "if my religion isn't centered and enforced upon others in the public or at my occupation I am being attacked".
Also he never made it past 6th grade biology?? Wait til he finds out about intersex people.
When I went to school, the teachers usually asked us what we wanted to be called. This was in the 60s and 70s.
This teacher is a cruel man hiding behind religion.
That teacher needs to get a job in a Christian school. Maybe in that environment, he would be allowed to mistreat his students.
He was a coach. A common practice among this paradigm is the use of surnames to call or correct.
If he can’t do what boot camp instructors do, then he shouldn’t be in an educational role. With the admission that his reservation was religiously motivated, one must also remind everyone that duty is always foremost before dogma.
Believe what you want, but understand that as an educator, you have been entrusted with precious cargo. Any harm, physical or otherwise, is a grievous violation of that trust.
Let’s also remember that students are required to attend school by law. For an educator to set an example of deliberate disrespect to another human only corrupts future attempts by those students regarding respect.
Hurt people hurt people.
Ah! This self-righteous cockwomble was a *_coach_* - that explains so much. I always find it gratifying when my prejudices are confirmed.
That’s what you called a bigot.
Does he have a problem calling boys Terry or Lin or any of the other homophonic (sound-alike) names? Or a girl named Charlie, or Byron, or Beckett?
The phrase "biological name" cracks me up. They know names are made up and even non-trans people can change their names, right?
@@katyungodly What about local performers who start to get paid but want to avoid income tax? I played in three bands where the leaders' last name was Dee.
Hello new subscriber. I am enjoying your content, so thank you. Having been raised in the church and seeing the hypocrisy I know as an adult now I consider the religious freedom means freedom from religion.
If you want teach at a public school, leave your religion at home when you go to work.
He is like a firefighter who doesn't want to rescue all or a doctor who doesn't want to save all. Just be respectful, dang! He expects it. Therefore, he should do the same. Again, he's the reason not everyone should be a teacher if you don't know how to have a caring heart.
Leave your Christian beliefs at the school door.
There is no excuse, regardless of one's beliefs or superstitions, where the refusal to respect the dignity of a person is okay. I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near my children, under any circumstances.
The fact is that people like this guy, they dont respect themselves, it is not surprising when they dont respect others as well.
Please don’t let this go to the supreme court
Yes, it should go, because it is out of control.
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And it should be made clear that this teacher was fired justly.
@@carissafisher7514 Except our current Supreme Court is staffed by people with no respect for the Constitution and judicial precedent and are determined to forward a Christian-oriented agenda. They won't give a horse dump about students. They will gladly use this case to demand respect for any claimed Christian belief that supports conservative control.
@@watsonwrote they know that. that's why they want it to go to the supreme court
Yeah, self-righteous people with clear prejudice should never be in positions that place emphasis on human interaction such as educators or customer services.
For someone who doesn't make mistake AND posesses unlimited power, god sure let the evils of the world flourish.
Keep him out of teaching!
Middle schoolers like having nicknames and I bet he had no problem calling them by their nicknames. That former teacher is full of sh*t.
God made some in between people not just the ones on the extreme ends . This teacher is definitely not a developmental biologist.
He is exhibiting despicable behavior for an adult teacher
Did he not use cis kids' nicknames?
It's so annoying that they say God didn't make mistakes but assume trans people can't be part of that plan.
12:08 "not like other…Preachers?"
Respecting someone's beliefs is nice, but when that means you trample other's freedom, then you're asking society to take a step too far.
Pastor here. I grew up conservative but changed in seminary. I continue to be open to learning. I have tried to understand but I can't for the life of me understand why this has become political. If my name is Peter but I want to be referred to as Jack, who cares? That's about me, not you. Why is that a reflection on anything you believe? Dig into their life more and we will probably find many contradictions of their belief and way of living. This is not love of neighbor.
Is there any justification in the New Testament for not respecting trans people or for preventing people from transitioning genders? I don't understand where the scriptural justification is. It seems primarily cultural, but the culture doesn't seem to have come from the Bible as far as I can tell.
@watsonwrote the argument they make is about "natural order." Or they will lump it into "sexual immorality." These people will just interpret that anyway they want. If they think something is "not natural" or immoral, that is what the Bible is talking about to them. It's proof texting. I would argue that the Ethiopian eunuch is a good passage that can be connected to gender and being accepted into the Kingdom of God. But as much as we might say there can not possibly be anything in the Bible negative about lgbtq people, it's hard to find positives specifically other than passage that talk about God's radical inclusiveness, creativity, bend toward the marginalized, call to love all, etc. It's like know your parents love you and knowing that who ever you bring home as ur future spouse, they will support you. A lot of conservative Christian beliefs are not orginal to the church. They are recent developments. Even the idea that the Bible is inerrant is from the 1980s. Look up Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy. It was a response to the APA removing homosexuality from the DSM in the 70s. They suddenly had to say the Bible has no errors to set the stage for a battle with science and research.
@@watsonwroteUmmmm. Well first off the Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek. Other languages have totally, and I do mean totally different ways of treating gender and pronouns in their language. What creates culture wars in the 2020s in English is just not a factor in many other languages in the world. Americans in particular (not referring to you!) are so ignorant of world languages and linguistics in general that it doesn't even occur to them that the rest of the world doesn't even have a concept of gendered language in the same way.
@watsonwrote there really isn't. They lump it all under the English word translations like "sexual immorality" or "unnatural." Those things in the Bible are referring what the author views, maybe even the larger culture at the time, thought was so. Simply put, if we dont consider something abnormal, it's not abnormal. The other interest question to raise is does the Bible speak positively about lgbtq people. A straight up answer to be no. Just like we don't actually find the Bible not talking about guns or smog from cars bc it wasn't an issue then(as we understand it today...) it would obviously not talk about it at all. But all Christians progressive and conservative interpret certain things to apply to today. I would say one of the best passage that could be pro trans might be the passage about the Ethiopian eunuch. Traditionally, it is used to tall about how the message of Jesus is moving out into the world (to black people) I could see his Eunuch identity being significant to also being included in the Kingdom of God. Theologians smarter than me have talk about this. We don't want to read more than there is when we read the Bible but we cannot deny that this is how the guy is described. That might not have meant anything to the author but it could mean something to us. The general practice of doing exactly what the Bible says and doesn't say is not how it is meant to be used. It is not what the Bible is. It's a conversation throughout time. Sometimes one moral concept might be good, at other times, it is morally bad. You can follow the letter of a law while ignoring the heart of it. That is the witness of the entirety of the Bible. We can fall into the system that conservative make up. Progressive can not win on that ground. Again progressives are at a disadvantage bc we always have to say " it is nuanced..." while they say "see, it says it clearly..." when it doesn't. I have led Bible studies with friends who are realizing their churches don't care about things like racism. We had to start from the beginning asking what is the Bible? It's not written by God. Answer this question is like watching sausages being made. Will you come out still honoring it, in the least respecting it? I went through this and I can out with a good amount of respect for how good it can be or how dangerous it can be if in the wrong hands. I find that the movie book of Eli expresses this well...haha
@dpej5167 totally agree. In Korean, we don't use pronouns. Just simply that American Churches default to God as "he" has huge implications. Of course the conservative Christians are the ones who have the least understanding of world cultures and how it affects even Christianity itself. Christianity is very different manifested in different cultures for a reason. Of course they will also reason this away by saying Jesus is abive cultures while ignoring how Jesus being Jewish during Riman occupation has everything to do with his death. It's like this is all too much for them to juggle. I say this as someone who was conservative. I didn't care to know, it was so much that I thought progressive were just trying to confuse me. Good thing I was forced to face it in seminary. Not all seminaries are made alike. Haha.
So…when people get married, does he refuse to use their name because that isn’t the name given to them by their parents? Is his wife still going by her maiden name?
"I have only acted according to the rule of my conscience, which is governed and held accountable to God. When I drive my four-horse chariot on the left-hand side of the road in Wisconsin, I cannot be held responsible for the pile-ups, deaths and injuries amongst those who foolishly deny the laws of heaven by driving their cars and trucks on the right-hand side."
So, he legally obligated to participate in their delusion?
The "god doesn't make mistakes" argument always throws me. Like, if god makes no mistakes and he created trans people, then doesn't thag just validate their existence?
Seeing people as different is normal.
Treating people differently because of sex, gender, skin tones, or hormones is despicable.
Okay , Trans students are still students. You can not treat someone as though they are not human.
Calling a person by their birth name is not dehumanizing.
@@carissafisher7514it certainly is if the person intentionally and repeatedly calls someone by the incorrect name *in spite of* being asked not to.
@@carissafisher7514 If your birth name is no longer your name, it is dehumanizing. If someone changed their name from Alex to Paul, would you imagine Paul felt disrespected and ashamed if one person refused to say Paul and kept calling him Alex? What if Paul's name change was brought about because of a significant life event, like a change in his religion? What if he changed it to cope with a traumatic event in his childhood? Every refusal to use Paul's actual name is a jab at his faith or a resurfacing of his painful past experience. Everyone in Paul's life calls him Paul, and this one person using Alex stands out in his refusal and targetting in a public setting. Can you see why this would feel dehumanizing?
@@carissafisher7514 If you told me your name was Carissa but I insisted on calling you Tom, would you not be upset? If I refused to call you what you prefer to be called because of what I think is between your legs, isn't that dehumanizing? To boil your identity down to what /I/ think it should be, and not what you feel?
@@carissafisher7514 You've never been the subjecct of dehumanization, have you? Shame, so sheltered
"God doesn't make mistakes, and you look like a mistake to me, so you must not be real". Supreme solipsism!
No, what they say is that they used their free will to make the mistake, so God didn't make it, the kid did. And if God doesn't make mistakes, how come a snake outsmarted him?
Imagine if he declared that there is no such thing as colon cancer, God doesn't make mistakes.
More people should look at our planet, our universe, as being God, what everything is. That would make them look at their lives, where they live, and what they can do to be healthy. There were no diseases for humans in North, Central and South America, until Europeans brought them over. Is it too late?
@@johnwattdotca I would bet that there was indeed diseases in North Central and South America. Europeans just introduced some new ones.
@@johnwattdotca "no diseases for humans" not quite - there were still diseases. Just not the same diseases. Natives had tolerance for the diseases they grew up with, but not the ones the Europeans brought with them, so smallpox killed thousands of natives.
@Sauvenil According to his YT channel (just click on his name) @johnwattdotca is Canadian. There's a link to his site there. "Interesting" reading.
@@haroldjones8521 Ah, I see. Interesting indeed.
with all the parochial schools around why did he inflict his nonsense at a public school. hilarious even the religious would walk out on him. Kudos to my kids high school for supporting their LGBTQ+ students.
@lmontano8190 Part of the rightwing plan to infiltrate and control all public institutions..
He was a plant in the school to start this issue into court!
I wonder if this was the reason several cultures evolved to call people by their family name first.
Most workplaces have speech rules, whether you like it or not. Citing first amendment rights or religious exceptions are not applicable.
Before God alone that we all must stand to be judged one day...
And yet here he is judging others
Typical.
Hope they get nothing, that person is too fragile and self absorbed to be a teacher.
My sister’s name is Danielle. Her nickname from infancy (some 40 years) has been Dani. She was born female, she identifies as female, she is engaged to a cis male. She works in a school. A parent had a fit when a coworker called her Dani because that’s a male name. They accused her of pushing a “f*g agenda”. 🤬🤦♀️I personally I prefer Shelly over Michelle and asked teachers throughout my school years to call me Shelly. You can just have a preferred name outside of being Transgender and people seem to forget that. Calm down people. It’s not hard to call someone by a preferred name.
NO greater hate than Christian love.
This is why they want to do away with Public edjucation.
The thing that kills me is that it's SO EASY to treat your students with respect. It's like the lowest effort action you can take as a teacher.
Man, there really needed to be a commandment saying “thou shalt not be a d-bag to thy fellow humans”
He should be remove so he can descriminate but he’s a grifter .
Who is paying for this guy's attorneys?
@dspondike Rightwing fundamentalist "christian" hate mongers.
Sorry, but that teacher rightfully deserves to be fired and barred from ever teaching around children again if they want to sit there and abuse a child and tell them they're not themselves. Absolutely disgusting. Hope he gets laughed out of court.
Child abuse is a serious issue. Trans children, especially, get it really badly from this exact behavior. Be better and respect each other :(
“My religion requires that I actively disrespect people.” Maybe your religion is bad?
As I understand it, the school offered the alternatives, he refused.
Correct, they offered for him to use neutral pronouns and last names
Christian beliefs, 😂
Not Christian really, Old Testament stuff and that selectively taken out of context.. Jesus was the Golden Rule guy. But odd I know his faith better than him.
@kurtwicklund8901 1 in 100 self-proclaimed "christians" actually follow the teachings of Christ.
As it stands in the modern age, "Christian" does not mean a follower of Jesus. It means a member of the "christian" church... One of the most evil and powerful organizations on the planet. If you want the "golden rule", you should look basically anywhere else. You won't find it in a church.
@@kurtwicklund8901 Jesus of Nazareth is associated with "The Golden Rule", but that's a catholic concept, nothing He said.
@@johnwattdotca It's still all made up anyway. Unless people WANT to worship an oppressive god ...
@johnwattdotca
I cheered when I heard about the parent standing up for their child. We need more of those!
I, almost 50, remember when I was young on the first day of school the teachers would ask us if we had names we preferred to be called, nicknames or whatever...no big deal. I remember this happening through most of my public school years too.
What an ahole! Good riddance.
When I was a kid teachers didn't ask us what our pronouns were.
They asked us what our names were.
I don't call anyone by their pronouns.
Bigotry based on religion is still bigotry. Nice work, Hemant. Thank you!
If his contract ran out they were under no requirement to renew his contract especially if he would not follow the rules set out as a condition of his employment. If he decides that his religion says he needs to employ corporal punishment does that give him the right to break those rules? if his religion dictates that a young girl is actually an adult woman and he can therefore have intimate contact with them does his religion override rules?
People are so very confused about what a “right” means. One person’s right to religion, free speech, to bear arms, etc. does NOT give them the license to use it to defy laws or to hurt others, nor to infringe on THEIR rights. I truly think that the concept of what a civil right IS has gotten completely distorted.
Now do the rest of the country.
I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!
Newsflash: if a kids name is Josh but he prefers to go by his middle name Adam then you're a huge weirdo jerk for insisting on calling him Josh. Just apply this to all students
No one is asking you to do anything you're not already doing. You don't need to know what's going on in other people's pants. If your religion is f'd with by acting like a normal person then it's your fault.