It cant really handle flash powder forces unless it is a small round. That is why brass framed revolvers in the 1800s and their early replicas did not last as long steel frames, because it is simply a weak/soft material. However today, modern replicas are made of brass that has other metals in it that makes it much stronger, so that is a possibility.
@@ATruckCampbell what’s funny is the brass framed revolvers I have found to be more expensive Uberti the brass framed 1860 army, which was never a thing in real life, is 100 dollars more than the historically accurate and stronger blued steel frame
The more I think about it the more I like this trigger style for wartime use. Easily used with gloves, plenty of room to move your finger forward while cocking and easily pressed without the glove bunching up in the trigger guard. I would think you would have a better trigger "feel" as well. Doesn't matter if the trigger is unguarded since it won't fire unless it is cocked first in which case you intend to fire anyway. *BGM.41
Homer: Oh Lisa! There's no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield Lisa: Yes, but the records only go back to 1978 when the Hall of Records was mysteriously blown away!
Thanks for passing on this amazing information. I think most of us in the percussion revolver world were unaware of guns like this and The Tucker and Sherrard. Thanks again.
One of 13 in existence and serial number 1? Damn I wouldn't dare touch that for fear of accidentally breaking it lol. On that note, do you have insurance for handling these rare guns?
I love the history that goes along with each gun. Very impressed with your channel and have been enjoying watching all your videos on guns up to 1900. Great channel, keep up the good work
Interesting. Having lived in Norfolk Va. for over 30 years, I never knew the name Gwaltney meant more than pork products. They are BTW the best I've ever had for the mass market ham, bacon, sausage etc.
chrome4ks I thought that was interesting too. My mother's side of the family is from Norfolk and as kids me and my two sisters would spend the summer with our grandparents there.
This is good example of what I really like about this chanel, old pistols are my thing and old revolvers especially. I've read about a lot of these and its really great to see them risen from the ashes. Good video very interesting gun love the history that goes with them.
Lots of great videos on Confederate and Texas guns. Would still like a book review or at least a listing of where all this information came from. Your library must be amazing.
the period stamps look sharper than the others....making me think he originally had nothing but the letter stamps and later came back with the period stamp. thanks for a great video!
+Renaissance MarineTV The period is a simple point that is driven into the metal, thus having (in an ideal case) the same force as the other letters on a much smaller surface area. This results in a deeper stamp-image and thus a "sharper" look...
Have you encountered any of the Savage "Figure 8" revolvers Ian? I would love to see you go over one, next to the Starr DA I think they're one of the most interesting Civil War designs.
Hello Ian, really amazing video. I am quite interested in confederate revolvers and I didn't know anything about this one so now I have research "homework" :) This one kind of reminds me of the Spiller and Burr (which is also copy of Whitney) so the question here is to what degree the mechanics match of these two guns ? Also apart from all the videos you did on confederate guns can you recommend really interesting and rare confederate weapon(s) ?
another weird sidenote about the peanut king: field, Virginia (found on www.roadsideamerica.com: "The most prized artifact in the small Isle of Wight County Museum is the world's oldest edible cured ham. The ham was cured in 1902 by a local pork processor, Pembroke D. Gwaltney Jr. Then the ham was misplaced and forgotten. When it was rediscovered, decades later, Pembroke knew he had a ham worth its weight in gold. He outfitted the ham with a brass collar, called it his "pet ham," and showed it to customers as proof of his ability to preserve meat without refrigeration. It made his company famous enough to eventually merge into the pork behemoth Smithfield Foods. The ham outlasted its tireless promoter and, in 1985, it was donated to the museum by one of Pembroke's grandchildren. One of the jobs of the curator of the Isle of Wight County Museum is to keep the ham edible by keeping it free of bugs and mold. The ham -- which now somewhat resembles a shriveled human arm -- shares a special climate-controlled case with two other famous hams, one of them said to be the world's largest. Despite its great age, the ham is still younger than another food item displayed in the museum: the world's oldest peanut. It was picked and dated "1890" by Pembroke's father, P.D. Gwaltney Sr., known in his time as "The Peanut King." Unlike the ham, however, the museum makes no claim that it is edible."
Ian, your videos from auctions are a bit too quiet. It is very noticeable when using speakers. Can you please do something about it if you can? Thank you. Btw, keep up the good work, love your videos.
As an aside, when you made the association of the name Gwaltney to ham production I immediately had a thought and, yep, P. D. Gwaltney's company still exists although it looks like it ceased being a family concern under P. D. Gwaltney III. www.gwaltneyfoods.com/history/
There's a removable sideplate on the left side of the gun that I cant't quite figure out as I can make a seam or joint right in front of the trigger but can't see the other one. Does that seam follow the curve of the recoil shield?
If Rock Island has one, do you think you could take a look at a Griswold and Gunnison revolver? I've heard the early models were actually fairly good quality revolvers.
Ian: If you'd like to add this to your collection of Confederate revolvers... Me: Ah yes my Confederate revolver collection... That is most certainly A thing, that I defiantly have... Yes!
I was hoping you would show the details of the side plate. This was unique to this revolver at the time. I can see the joint in front and rear secured by 2 screws, but I cannot see the joint at the top at all,
How amazingly devastating it would be to bring modern firearms back to older times when they're GENERATIONS ahead of what's being used. Imagine giving a Union or Confederate soldier an AKM and teaching him how to use it. Keep it on semi auto, and wait until they see each other in line formation, possibly even 2-3 per column. As soon as they're in sight, aim, and start calmly firing one round at a time, left to right. 7.62x39 would EASILY punch through 2-3 people! If they've got a line 30 wide, and 2 deep, then at least 60 dead or wounded could be had with one magazine, all that it would take is the enemy not routing, and the shooter to not miss. Utter devastation. Then again, even simply having a repeating bolt action would be devastating, even an M1886 Lebel, which was considered on its way to being outdated even by WWI standards, considering it couldn't be loaded with a clip of any kind, only one round at a time. Being smokeless and using FMJ bullets, it'd easily be the most accurate rifle of the American Civil War, and also and have the most penetration, even though it was only invented, what, 21 years after the war ended? A couple decades after that and you have the Chauchau, which when kept nice and clean, seems to be fairly reliable! Just a few of those advanced firearms could be enough to tip the war quite quickly in anyone's favour, until you start getting into situations like Gettysburg I guess. Wasn't that just an insane battle in powder smoke that resulted in LOTS of melee combat, even a lot of friendly fire? I'm not too familiar with the details of the US Civil War.
That trigger looks like it would easy to fire whilst wearing gloves. Was that the reason for the trigger or was it just a different way of doing things.
I know this will sound dumb .I know nothing about guns . What is the idea of some guns have trigger guards and some have that assembly that is on that gun ? What is the thinking behind this . I have been meaning to ask this for ages .
Anthony Hings welcome. ian is a good teacher. been around weapons all my life, but I never knew how ignorant I truly was. I've learned enough that I think I can design a workable safe firearm.
If I had to start off at the bottom, then I would make ten brass hammer forged castings at a time. Lose two in casting, two or three more in forging and machining. Ending with five or six sellable hand guns. $23 x 6 = A humble gun maker!
I came here just for the "Cofer" word but I see it is only a black powder revolver similar to the rest. Here's the cartridge: www.todocoleccion.net/militaria-armas-fuego/reproduccion-cartucho-36-cofer-revolver-inerte~x68891217 The revolver itself: www.cowanauctions.com/lot/extremely-rare-confederate-cofer-type-ii-percussion-cartridge-revolver-179113/
Regional. It's a regional auction. You forgot to say the word "Regional" before "auction". As a day two subscriber I am absolutely sickened by this lack of accuracy you're diving into these days. Are you trying to get rid of the old crowd in favor of a new, younger one with all this madness and decadence ? A shameful display !
"A shameful display"? Really? One word is enough discount the amount research and effort to make the video? Go fuck yourself. Ian keep up the good work!
+Exploatores Confederate arms are much scarcer than Union ones, and this auction includes a particularly impressive group of Confederate guns - so I'm taking the opportunity to look at most of them.
I only butler had been Lincolns VP, the the southern planter class wpuld TRULY have been ground to dust and reconcstruction would have been done correctly. Instead we got an actual traitor in Johnson.
+Phoenix Reignition sorry, but it's no longer about north vs south. And it's NOT about race. It's now about defeating the true enemies of America, the filthy liberals. This will be the right, physically destroying the left.
+Phoenix Reignition your assumptions are as wrong as you are. I just told you it's not race based. Oh, and I'm Jewish. Ideological wars have been necessarily fought for thousands of years. That we need to cleanse our country of those that actively support the usurpation of our country isn't surprising nor is it controversial. Just necessary.
"A revolver and a bowie knife, cause everyone needed those" -- Ian whatdaya mean, past tense?
Sounds almost like something Hicock 45 would say...
I really wish brass would come back into use in firearms. it's just such an attractive metal
It cant really handle flash powder forces unless it is a small round. That is why brass framed revolvers in the 1800s and their early replicas did not last as long steel frames, because it is simply a weak/soft material. However today, modern replicas are made of brass that has other metals in it that makes it much stronger, so that is a possibility.
@@ATruckCampbell what’s funny is the brass framed revolvers I have found to be more expensive
Uberti the brass framed 1860 army, which was never a thing in real life, is 100 dollars more than the historically accurate and stronger blued steel frame
I love the patina on it and the aged brass look. They must have been quite the eye candy back when they were new.
A Confederate revolver and ham. I *never* thought there'd be a connection there.
You learn something new every day.
+LegoGuy And peanuts. That whole area is peanut central. You can get giant bags of peanuts in just about every local gas station down there.
Makes sense to me. I like guns and bacon.
The more I think about it the more I like this trigger style for wartime use. Easily used with gloves, plenty of room to move your finger forward while cocking and easily pressed without the glove bunching up in the trigger guard. I would think you would have a better trigger "feel" as well. Doesn't matter if the trigger is unguarded since it won't fire unless it is cocked first in which case you intend to fire anyway. *BGM.41
Homer: Oh Lisa! There's no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield
Lisa: Yes, but the records only go back to 1978 when the Hall of Records was mysteriously blown away!
Hell man, you can actually buy Gwaltney brand pork products (in the Southeast, at least) to this very day.
Look away, Dixieland. That's cool.
And its delicious
Thanks for passing on this amazing information. I think most of us in the percussion revolver world were unaware of guns like this and The Tucker and Sherrard. Thanks again.
The Civil War through WW I is my main area of study. I appreciate this video Ian, as I've only seen pictures of the Cofer Revolvers.
Ian, I grew up in the Tidewater region of VA and Gwaltney is still a very active name in pork products.
XtraChrisP P my mother and her side of the family were raised over on Tidewater Drive.
One of 13 in existence and serial number 1? Damn I wouldn't dare touch that for fear of accidentally breaking it lol. On that note, do you have insurance for handling these rare guns?
+David Tan Being a Va native, if I had the money I would not only buy it, I would load it up and shoot the thing. Very light loads though.
I love the history that goes along with each gun. Very impressed with your channel and have been enjoying watching all your videos on guns up to 1900. Great channel, keep up the good work
"Which is, by the way, a fantastically excellent name."
Pembrooke Decatur Gwaltney
Interesting. Having lived in Norfolk Va. for over 30 years, I never knew the name Gwaltney meant more than pork products.
They are BTW the best I've ever had for the mass market ham, bacon, sausage etc.
chrome4ks I thought that was interesting too. My mother's side of the family is from Norfolk and as kids me and my two sisters would spend the summer with our grandparents there.
This is good example of what I really like about this chanel, old pistols are my thing and old revolvers especially. I've read about a lot of these and its really great to see them risen from the ashes. Good video very interesting gun love the history that goes with them.
Your knowledge is awesome. Thankyou
Hey Ian- I just saw you on the Outdoor Channel talking about Flintlocks. Pretty neat!
Lots of great videos on Confederate and Texas guns. Would still like a book review or at least a listing of where all this information came from. Your library must be amazing.
the period stamps look sharper than the others....making me think he originally had nothing but the letter stamps and later came back with the period stamp. thanks for a great video!
+Renaissance MarineTV The period is a simple point that is driven into the metal, thus having (in an ideal case) the same force as the other letters on a much smaller surface area. This results in a deeper stamp-image and thus a "sharper" look...
Another great video! I particularly enjoy these old timey revolver videos, keep up the good work!
Thank you for this video I had no idea that this guy was my ancestor.
Hi Ian.Recently stumbled on this channel. Finding it very interesting and I think you present it very well.All the best.
Subscribed.
Very cool revolver and an amazing video as always Ian.:D
You can still buy Gwaltney bacon today.
Have you encountered any of the Savage "Figure 8" revolvers Ian? I would love to see you go over one, next to the Starr DA I think they're one of the most interesting Civil War designs.
Hello Ian,
really amazing video. I am quite interested in confederate revolvers and I didn't know anything about this one so now I have research "homework" :) This one kind of reminds me of the Spiller and Burr (which is also copy of Whitney) so the question here is to what degree the mechanics match of these two guns ? Also apart from all the videos you did on confederate guns can you recommend really interesting and rare confederate weapon(s) ?
Thank you for your videos I enjoy learning the history of the firearms.
another weird sidenote about the peanut king:
field, Virginia (found on www.roadsideamerica.com:
"The most prized artifact in the small Isle of Wight County Museum is the world's oldest edible cured ham. The ham was cured in 1902 by a local pork processor, Pembroke D. Gwaltney Jr. Then the ham was misplaced and forgotten. When it was rediscovered, decades later, Pembroke knew he had a ham worth its weight in gold. He outfitted the ham with a brass collar, called it his "pet ham," and showed it to customers as proof of his ability to preserve meat without refrigeration. It made his company famous enough to eventually merge into the pork behemoth Smithfield Foods. The ham outlasted its tireless promoter and, in 1985, it was donated to the museum by one of Pembroke's grandchildren. One of the jobs of the curator of the Isle of Wight County Museum is to keep the ham edible by keeping it free of bugs and mold. The ham -- which now somewhat resembles a shriveled human arm -- shares a special climate-controlled case with two other famous hams, one of them said to be the world's largest. Despite its great age, the ham is still younger than another food item displayed in the museum: the world's oldest peanut. It was picked and dated "1890" by Pembroke's father, P.D. Gwaltney Sr., known in his time as "The Peanut King." Unlike the ham, however, the museum makes no claim that it is edible."
Yeah, I'll have to take their word on that ham. I wouldn't risk it
@@elementalist1984 Man I don't even like ham, to begin with, this kinda makes me sick.
@@thishonestgrifter On the other hand Steve1989MRE probably has the place staked out and his knife and fork in a quick draw holster
@@voiceofraisin3778 Yeah I'm sure he does.
The forbidden lunch meat.
I understand most older revolvers have pretty simple rudimentary sights, but these don't appear to even be functional, is that correct?
Ian, your videos from auctions are a bit too quiet. It is very noticeable when using speakers. Can you please do something about it if you can? Thank you.
Btw, keep up the good work, love your videos.
+ViCopat You can boost the volume, but to hear him properly you end up with quite a bit of noise.
+ViCopat I second these statements :)
Just adding my own two cents, I have to turn my TH-cam and speaker volume much higher than usual for Ian's latest batch of videos.
+ViCopat
Hes been having issues with audio the past couple batches of auction house videos. I hope he gets it sorted out.
Ok .. trying to sign up on Patreon with facebook ... I click on the link .. nuffin'
What am I doing wrong?
As an aside, when you made the association of the name Gwaltney to ham production I immediately had a thought and, yep, P. D. Gwaltney's company still exists although it looks like it ceased being a family concern under P. D. Gwaltney III.
www.gwaltneyfoods.com/history/
To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
There's a removable sideplate on the left side of the gun that I cant't quite figure out as I can make a seam or joint right in front of the trigger but can't see the other one. Does that seam follow the curve of the recoil shield?
If Rock Island has one, do you think you could take a look at a Griswold and Gunnison revolver? I've heard the early models were actually fairly good quality revolvers.
Ian: If you'd like to add this to your collection of Confederate revolvers...
Me: Ah yes my Confederate revolver collection... That is most certainly A thing, that I defiantly have... Yes!
There is also a meat packing company based in Smithfield VA named Gwaltney.
I saw this and read "coffer." Like they were used by accountants or something.
Really like seeing the Confederate guns. Thanks for the great videos (as is normal)
I was hoping you would show the details of the side plate. This was unique to this revolver at the time. I can see the joint in front and rear secured by 2 screws, but I cannot see the joint at the top at all,
Interesting firearm! Is it in .44 caliber?
Is frame strength an issue with all Whitney pattern guns, or is it more of a materials issue in the confederacy?
Serial no.1... damn!
Looks like colt took some design cues from this un with the 1873 saa especially for the frame.
"Has interest in one industry and then gets totally involved in another" sounds like Ian lol
I notice a trend for sights from around this period to be small, was there a reason for that or was it just stylistic preference?
Accuracy was probably not that great so aiming was more about pointing the barrel where it needed to be, that's my guess anyways.
Why are there no Whitneyville reproductions?
I love ure vids bro. Hard to watch cos I live in UK, whadayado? Keep it up 👍
Go to bed once in awhile. lol
That piece looks like it has seen a lot of life.
Do you have a Griswold on display.
Was someone driving nails with this, or is that a design which has worn away?
I wonder if that's the same gwaltney who makes hotdogs and bologna. Probably not but an interesting crossover.
Joseph King Yes it is.
@@wizardofahhhs759 ahhh
How amazingly devastating it would be to bring modern firearms back to older times when they're GENERATIONS ahead of what's being used. Imagine giving a Union or Confederate soldier an AKM and teaching him how to use it. Keep it on semi auto, and wait until they see each other in line formation, possibly even 2-3 per column. As soon as they're in sight, aim, and start calmly firing one round at a time, left to right. 7.62x39 would EASILY punch through 2-3 people! If they've got a line 30 wide, and 2 deep, then at least 60 dead or wounded could be had with one magazine, all that it would take is the enemy not routing, and the shooter to not miss. Utter devastation.
Then again, even simply having a repeating bolt action would be devastating, even an M1886 Lebel, which was considered on its way to being outdated even by WWI standards, considering it couldn't be loaded with a clip of any kind, only one round at a time. Being smokeless and using FMJ bullets, it'd easily be the most accurate rifle of the American Civil War, and also and have the most penetration, even though it was only invented, what, 21 years after the war ended? A couple decades after that and you have the Chauchau, which when kept nice and clean, seems to be fairly reliable! Just a few of those advanced firearms could be enough to tip the war quite quickly in anyone's favour, until you start getting into situations like Gettysburg I guess. Wasn't that just an insane battle in powder smoke that resulted in LOTS of melee combat, even a lot of friendly fire?
I'm not too familiar with the details of the US Civil War.
gees
that looks like an extremely light trigger!
the gunsmith is Emmett Brown!!!
he needed to go back to 1885
*looks at bag of Virginia peanuts right next to my monitor*
Hmmm...
An interesting cul-de-sac in the history of guns.
were the brass frames used due to a lack of superior materials?
+Christopher MacLennan Brass is easier to work than steel so brass guns could be made faster than steel.
That thing is beautiful. One of the more attractive guns of the era.
That trigger looks like it would easy to fire whilst wearing gloves. Was that the reason for the trigger or was it just a different way of doing things.
+fastmongrel
Mostly it saves space because a trigger guard isnt *really* needed in a single action revolver.
We can design and manufacture a pistol. But no apostrophe stamp!....DOH! 😎
+DREKOR
Sounds about right. I personally would have left out the S altogether, but to each their own.
Thanks
Any shotgun videos planned?
I suspect that is an assembly number rather than a serial number.
Gwaltney bacon too.
Looks like someone used that gun as a hammer. The brass frame(above the trigger) & the bottom of the grip have what appears to be nail head marks.
Several of these revolvers blew up because of the relatively weak brass frame.
I know this will sound dumb .I know nothing about guns . What is the idea of some guns have trigger guards and some have that assembly that is on that gun ? What is the thinking behind this . I have been meaning to ask this for ages .
Dana Herron Thank you
sergeantbigmac Thank you
Anthony Hings welcome. ian is a good teacher. been around weapons all my life, but I never knew how ignorant I truly was. I've learned enough that I think I can design a workable safe firearm.
If I had to start off at the bottom, then I would make ten brass hammer forged castings at a time. Lose two in casting, two or three more in forging and machining. Ending with five or six sellable hand guns. $23 x 6 = A humble gun maker!
I may have missed it, but what caliber is it?
Muito linda. Pena que os comentários não sejam dublados ou legendados.
Is it wrong to say this but at this point colts were the worst designed revolvers not quality but design
Only once brass cartridges came around it was a bad design to convert. In black powder it is fine.
150k for this gun? wow
A good presentation. It's TRUE that most Confederate revolvers dont function. The Cofer is indeed rare .
Maybe that's why they lost the war. Can't win a war if your guns never worked.
He is another Confederate revolver! This one is not from Texas...
*Demolition Ranch has left the chat*
Covfefe revolver?
I’m not a fan of that exposed trigger. Give me a trigger guard please. Good looking gun otherwise.
I came here just for the "Cofer" word but I see it is only a black powder revolver similar to the rest. Here's the cartridge: www.todocoleccion.net/militaria-armas-fuego/reproduccion-cartucho-36-cofer-revolver-inerte~x68891217
The revolver itself: www.cowanauctions.com/lot/extremely-rare-confederate-cofer-type-ii-percussion-cartridge-revolver-179113/
Hey we are related lol
Regional. It's a regional auction. You forgot to say the word "Regional" before "auction". As a day two subscriber I am absolutely sickened by this lack of accuracy you're diving into these days. Are you trying to get rid of the old crowd in favor of a new, younger one with all this madness and decadence ?
A shameful display !
"A shameful display"? Really? One word is enough discount the amount research and effort to make the video? Go fuck yourself. Ian keep up the good work!
+xxxdiabolikxxx settle down, its pretty obvious that its a joke.
+xxxdiabolikxxx You need to re-tune your sarcasm sensors...
+Rik Raptor Sarcasm escapes me sometimes on TH-cam. I may have overreacted...
+Adrien Perié It's not actually a regional auction. :)
Why only Confederate guns, I can´t remember seeing any Union army guns on auction
+Exploatores Confederate arms are much scarcer than Union ones, and this auction includes a particularly impressive group of Confederate guns - so I'm taking the opportunity to look at most of them.
Most Union guns are anything but forgotten.
Rik Raptor
they are intresting as the diffrence bettwien those inventors who are half forgoten and those who are almost household names.
+Exploatores Note the sign behind Ian advertising that part of this auction is, in fact, specifically a collection of Confederate revolvers.
+TheRealColBosch He also covered the Starrs.
The Confederate Revolvers playlist is getting pretty long.
Because standardization!
I only butler had been Lincolns VP, the the southern planter class wpuld TRULY have been ground to dust and reconcstruction would have been done correctly.
Instead we got an actual traitor in Johnson.
To hell with the gun. Bring back the war.
Fucking a brotha! the south will rise again!
+BurnThePope0514
If the South rises again, it's getting stomped into the shit and mud again. Sorry.
+Phoenix Reignition sorry, but it's no longer about north vs south. And it's NOT about race. It's now about defeating the true enemies of America, the filthy liberals. This will be the right, physically destroying the left.
+Phoenix Reignition your assumptions are as wrong as you are. I just told you it's not race based. Oh, and I'm Jewish. Ideological wars have been necessarily fought for thousands of years. That we need to cleanse our country of those that actively support the usurpation of our country isn't surprising nor is it controversial. Just necessary.
M85FSLUVR
"Oh, and I'm Jewish."
Everything is starting to make sense. Typical: Our Greatest Ally wants America to tear itself apart.
@ForgottenWeapons >>> 👍👍