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- The real Piper Kerman speaks with Ezra Klein about the failures of the U.S. criminal justice system.
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He is probably the most professional interviewer i have seen in a long time. he lets her talk after his questions uninterrupted and simply listens. pure class, great video.
You should check out Riehan Salam over on Vice.
Right
Pretty sure that's what interviewers are trained to do 🤫
Ed Sheeran nah there’s so many interviewers that completely steamroll the person while they are talking. a weird example, but i watch a lot of interviews about bjork, and i’ve seen two actually good ones as usually she will be talking abt her craft and someone will interrupt and try to guess what she’s going to say, or be like “wHy ArE yOu sO wEiRd?? HAHA LOL NEXT QUESTION” it happens so much rather than letting the guest speak.
@@mmmmmmmmmmmmm1109 to long to read don't care 🤫
The real Piper is much more tolerable than the one on the show.
True!
i binged watched the first 3 seasons and must say i agree with you. the other characters are much more captivating.
You only came to that conclusion from a fifteen minute interview. Maybe you will change your mind if you got to know her really well.
Honestly, Piper was my least fav character of Orange is the New Black .My fav was Piscatella, Red, and Tasty.
Luna Jean “you ain’t ever lied” 🙌🏾🙌🏾
I work for the michigan department of corrections, and I completely agree with what she has said. Sending someone to prison for a meager marijuana charge will not help that person or their community. The system is broken, and it truly needs to be fixed.
Abolish prisons
Marijuana, yes. Heroin, no.
She is a very intelligent woman, which doesn't translate in OITNB. Mind you, there isn't exactly many opportunities to indulge in intellectual stimulation in prison either, so touche to the show
Funny thing...in real life Piper’s ex girlfriend who we know as Alex was actually named Catherine, but she called her Nora in her memoir for legal reasons. However she never actually got back with her, or especially get engaged to her. She did however have a fiancé at the time of her arrest whose name was actually Larry. He visited her at least once a week for over a year and stayed loyal. They got married the year after her release and still are.
they should have her cameo
That would be epic!
her face is on the opening scene lol
yes i'm aware of that but it would be cool for her to pop in the show for a one liner or something
i'm sure they would do it when piper gets out of prison eventually , sort of like how they did with the pursuit of happyness
G -WM she got out
Ms. Kerman is so eloquent and well versed in her responses I left the interview with a greater respect for her as a person. #welldone
She could have played the role of Piper's mother in the flashback lol
OG509 I reckon she’s too young to look like her mum
@@hllytmh or maybe she doesn't know how to act?
"Legislators are almost always the last ones to catch up to public opinions and to professional opinions of folks who work in these fields"
Damn, well said 👏🏼👏🏼
She's very well spoken.
Well...Piper can say one thing positive about prisons...they have made her a wealthy woman.
+MrDunedon 5:52 She is a voice for the millions of people tangled in our broken criminal justice system. She is an activist who spends a lot of her own time and money to raise awareness and try to find solutions. She is a fair skinned, attractive woman so people will listen to her when she talks about her time in prison. People are far less likely to have sympathy for a minority or someone who looks like a stereotypical prisoner. So she uses her platform to help the millions that are less fortunate than her. If she makes some money off of her book, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. She wrote the book to call out an uncomfortable truth about the horrid failings of our government and prison system.
ilavalolipop Oh, absolutely. I don't disagree or take issue with anything you said here.
Duneedon - she was already wealthy before she became famous! Without wealth, it's hard to get into Smith or Williams.
She was rich before she went to prison
Love what she says about violent crimes here. It's so true that prisons really should only be used to protect us from violent people that will likely be violent again. The general population needs to just forget their unwarranted fears of the "criminal" label. Maybe that starts with reintegrating non-violent offenders into society and educating the public, then as a democracy deciding what punishment can better fit nonviolent crimes.
Excellent points.
The beauty is that I don't see her as a criminal. She shows no signs of the crazy, deranged criminal we all imagine she should be just because she went to prison. And that means we are at least moving in the right direction. Because regular criminals are just average people who have done something wrong in their past. And obviously for her, it was that case.
+Jonathan Davies depends on the person and type of crime.....she don't look like a criminal but she didn't do a crime that was a violent or evil type....that someone that did may look like how we nee bad people to be. theres white crimes that are done by normal people and they go to min and its not filled with the crazy.....im sure she had a awkwardness when she got out but overcame it.
Wow I did not realize how big of a problem this was ... Thanks
I never read the book, I'm sure the series is more exaggerated.
+Jessi Tyson The series is really good, and I'm hard to please. I can't wait for the next season!
+Jessi Tyson The book is pretty good, straight forward, accurate; the series is 99% bullshit; even the uniforms are accurate. Hollywood types totally have their heads up their azz.
It's entertainment so they have to amp up the drama. The show is great when it's approached at that level, but it's definitely not bullshit
Well, if they made it exactly like how things really are, the show would be boring.
Jessi Tyson The book and show aren't even close to the same
I think we can all agree that rehabilitation and helping people off of drugs and to spend the money on mental health care would be more beneficial in hundreds of different ways. Unfortunately the likelihood of this happening is very small bc prison is a business. Corporations are making millions, if it billions, off of them. It is such a shame. Money talks. I am so glad that this interview exists and I hope to see the actors, and the media, start talking about the topics brought up here! I have read her book and she speaks on this quite a bit!! She is so inspirational!!
Mi Poorboy while I completely agree with you I would not say "we can all agree". Along with the money issue there are plenty of people out there who believe the second you break the law you deserve to loose all rights and support. They think every penny spent on things like rehabilitation and mental health is a waste of tax payer money and things criminals don't deserve to have handed out to them. The people making money off the prison-industrial complex are using the votes of people who feel the need to be "hard on crime" to prevent these necessary and society-building programs from being implemented.
Prison shouldn't be a punishment it should be rehabilitation the goal should be to get the people on the right track for when they get out so they aren't going back in
I agree with "Prison shouldn't be a punishment it should be rehabilitation" but you are missing a key part: "for non-violent offenders"...Most people in this country (myself included) do not agree with the notion that someone who rapes and murders a child deserves any form of rehabilitation.
the piper of oitnb was one of the worse people you could meet in life, i think she's a terrible person. i like this piper
Fantastic interview!
There was an episode of Freakonomics that had a really great hypothesis as to why crime in the 90's decreased. I suggest you all check that episode out.
Atigre Farmer abortion.... Right? I thought it was really interesting also
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Why do people always disregard non violent drug based crimes? Non violent doesn't equal ambivalent. I think the argument they're missing is that if a murderer kills one person, he/she will ruin the life of the victim and his/her family. But a drug dealer or heavy abuser might ruin the lives of most the people he/she interacts with. Drugs destroy communities, and their offenses shouldn't be disregarded.
I'm not saying it's fair to lock up a murderer for 7 years and a low level drug dealer for 10. I don't even think punishment is the best way to deal with drug users. All I'm saying is when liberals talk about this subject they brush off the scale of harm caused by drug abuse and quickly move on to other issues.
Grumpy Pentagon personally I think with drug users, we should look more into getting them off drugs. E.g rehab facilities. And keeping them off drugs
Did you miss the part of the video where she proposed a public health based solution to drug issues in poor communities? It’s not that liberals don’t care about the impact of drug-related crime, it’s just that removal from society isn’t a panacea for all social problems. Lock them up and throw away the key is objectively a more expensive and less effective solution.
In New Jersey if you are charged with a non violent drug arrest you automatically are sentenced to Drug Court. While that sounds great there are a lot of things flawed with that. One being a large percentage of those arrested are drug dealers claiming to have drug problems in order to not face jail time and that disrupts the whole program ie; still dealing drugs while on Drug Court and having easy access to those just getting clean on Drug Court, not being rehabilitated because they don't have a drug addiction but a money addiction, which is a thing that doesn't get dealt with. Also I don't have specific statistics but as a person who knows many people who are and have been on drug court, it has not a very high long term success rate. You can't sentence someone into recovery they have to want it for themselves. Also because every person convicted of a non violent drug offense is sentenced to drug court the court and Probation Officers are overwhelmed! They used to sentence you in your first 6 months to inpatient rehab and when you did the 6 months then you had 3 stages of outpatient therapy that could take up to a year, there are 4 phases that you go through and to get from 1 phase to the next wasn't easy but now that there are so many people they just push people through from 1 phase to the next to easily. Also if you messed up more then 2 times you would have to go back to rehab and as I stated before they don't even send you there at all anymore! And lastly the majority of people had to complete 5 years before you could graduate, now people are getting off within 18 months. So who knows what is the best way to deal with this issue. I guess it is just a matter of trial and error.
Liberals aren’t brushing off the negative effects of drugs. It’s just that locking people up isn’t a solution. I honestly think all drugs should be decriminalized (this is different from legalization, it’s still illegal you just won’t be thrown in jail) we should instead invest in free rehab centers. We can’t force people to go to rehab (aka drug courts which don’t work that well), but people end up using them on their own. In Sweden for example, when they had a heroin pandemic, they invested in free rehab and social centers and 80% of their drug addict a used them freely. Not only would this save us money, but it would actually work towards solving the problem. It’s better to target harm reduction, because “deterrence” just doesn’t work with drug users
A great conversation.
Who is this Ezra Klein guy? Great Interviewer. Just subscribed to VOX and spreading the word!
***** Thanks Adam. I'm on board. Besides Stewart and Colbert this is the first guy on television that makes sense in a long time.
Government ethics needs to be addressed first. I'm amazed at the amount of politicians that don't understand or care about conflict of interest. Selling out our country has become a popular tactic used in politics. Self serving politicians need to be routed out and sent off.
I would change the title. She says it herself our country has a long history of oppressing Black people and other POC. The system isn't broken it's working as intended and we have to do do things differently.
It’s crazy what people get sent to prison for in the US. Such an aggressive country from the top down
Vox why isn't this audio pushed out as a podcast?
Why doesn't this have more views?! Super interesting.
i find it distracting that you guys move the camera ever so slightly in the 50-50 shot. The slow movement makes me wonder if its my eyes messing with me or is the camera actually moving? By the time I figure this out, I've missed what was said. Just an opinion.
What kind of a room are they interviewing in? Concrete floors? And that computer in the background? Is that from the 80's?
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Laura Carías
Her intellect reminds me of David Therouxs' essay on society and government Disobedience
She’s way prettier than the tv show Piper
Yh the TV show Piper face is really annoying
I didnt expect this to be as intelligent as it was...
I'd like to see a study done to see what people the American public would have freed from prison. A hypothetical world where the public can vote prisoners back into society.
crime went down in 90s coz of the Pill in 1960s and the criminals that wouldve been vulnerable/prime crime age at that time didn't exist to commit the crimes
Fantastic interview. She is right on the money!
English isn't my first language and she uses a lot of smart words that I don't understand 🙈
beautiful intellectual talk
Prison is also just a punishment to show that it is not okay and that there will be consequences- not just to the ex-prisioners but also for everyone else...
i didn't even realise she was real
See 'the house i live in' documentary
My mom went to a minimum security prison when I was a child and I can agree with her, the way they portray prison on the show is wrong but if they did portray it how it really is no one would watch. There’s almost zero violence and most people there are there for none violent crimes and the ones that are, should be in a heavier security prison. It’s either people there for drug charges or people who have microwaved their baby in minimum security facilities.
A new season of orange is the new black was renewed on November 9 2016.
This guy is so far left he makes Noam Chomsky blush.
I thought the title meant Piper from the show
The moral issues inherent in this conversation only matter to Politicians in so much as they'd like the public to get behind them and keep them in office. Don't fool yourselves. But I agree with most, if not all, of what has been said. New to this channel but I am really enjoying the content so far.
Why did she go to prison on a charge that is over 10 years old. The statue of liberty is 5 years for federal crimes.
It's probably bc the operation was still active until at the time of her indictment
How did she vo to prison
there is no such thing as a good republican.
In her experience, she was jailed for money laundering. However, in the show it almost romanticises these seemingly vulnerable women who got drove into mass drug dealing. Violent crimes are only under certain conditions however, drugs can kill people, destroy families and influence violent behaviour, no sympathy. I fully understand her point of view as someone who only committed a financial crime however, the show attempts to make the audience sympathise so heavily with drug dealers, something Piper Kerman never was, doubt she was even in max.
So thankful I do not live in the states!!!
+JC Rose Why are you criminal?
She reminds me of Jodie Foster
Love the interviewer
she's very elegant.
Essa é a verdadeira piper chapman??
E', sim.
0:14 does anyone know WHY exactly drug offenses skyrocketed after 1980? what happened then?
You should watch this movie named, Cocaine Cowboys. It gives you a taste of what happened. Not the whole picturebut a good idea.
+Ashkan Ahmadi Changes in the law, mostly. The 'war on drugs', and the rise of crack cocaine.
+Ashkan Ahmadi Regan's "War on Drugs" happened... and that was fueled by deeper political agendas, like international power struggles, racial oppression, commerce - you know, the usual.
Reagan happened, there is money to be made by locking people up
A lot has changed since this was filmed...not for the positive; yet.
crime reduced when dna became abmisable in court. much more likely to get caught or at least be tricked into believing they know you did it and incriminate yourself
So was Alex real?
Yes, she was based on a real life person. However, Kerman and her aren't together
Piper Kerman for president
Piper Kerman
hang outs
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+Brandon Ortiz Lol that is the most off topic comment I have seen.
The heck is the guy interviewer wearing
She's awesomely attractive... ^.^
"Piper Kerman"
So, she never witnessed any of the violence which was made just for the TV show? interesting....
2 thirds come back, that does explain a lot about the system in the states... sometimes life on the outside is worse? For SOME women it might be. There lives are probably more at risk out of prison than inside. Have you seen the documentary on the women's prison in Detroit? some of those women who get released from prison leave only to get stabbed/raped and murdered or "vanish"....most likely from the people they mixed with. Poor girls, some are so young, only 19-22yrs old. There lives are just beginning
+JC Rose I think that's the reason why the show included Taytee going back. Life sucked for her outside prison even if it wasn't an abuse thing :/ hopefully the show shows more of what Piper Kerman is talking about
+JC Rose it doesn't mean it didn't happen....she just didn't see it. also the tv show was taken from her book but rewritten and all for entertainment.
if you haven't been incarcerated before , let me share with you briefly why people are afraid of life outside
Inside , all you gotta care about , is breakfast/lunch/dinner gonna be any good? What movies are we gonna watch on movie nights
Can't wait for the next yard time , gonna do 40 push ups , that's 10 more extra since last week .
An adult living a kid's life , you don't have to worry you got no job , or you have to pay rent for roof over your head or worry about your spouse cheating on you and abscondin' with all your hard earned money .
Life is simpler behind bars . And i know people who lived a thug life and when they get thrown in for the first time . Life was so good on the inside , they intentionally pay someone to get punched by them and play the pity party so they can get more time on their sentence .
That's how screwed up the world is . It's complicated
Gosh! She's very gorgeous and intelligent 💖
0:12 wow
She’s RICH now rho
The reason jail and prison are around is to make an example, you do something wrong there’s a punishment, keeps the crime rate lower, if we didn’t have prisons, crimes would be extremely high.
What's the problem with getting frisked for drugs? If you don't have any drugs on you then why would you fear getting arrested for possession of drugs?
Wow, she is so bright and well-spoken. My heart breaks knowing that this woman was in prison for so long
Wait - in her early interviews she keeps saying how he attentions daily was on "SURVIVING" and survival. NOW she says she never witnessed ANY violence ? in the year she was in prison she has not witnessed any violence YET in all her early interviews she stresses on how she mostly kept her attention on "just surviving each day". Oddly enough i know people who have been in jail and they witnessed violence right off, and they were in town jails just overnight.
hmmmmm. its hard to keep up with her changing story. kinda as annoying as the piper who playes her
Angela Lee surviving could mean anything. It doesn’t mean see saw violence, she probably meant that in a not have a mental breakdown because I’m in prison kind of way!
I want a version of the interview which comes without that interviewer!
Still system treat women like goddess and treat men like monsters
She is smoking hot.
rickyd0821
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Piper iz a lier denn
Is it just me who thought she did quite a general and generic job of that interview? Also, I couldn't get over how much she'd complicate sentences with overly descriptive and big words.
AdventureTime18 maybe your not intelligent enough to keep up
Piper Kerman helped launder heroin money, a very serious crime. She got exactly what she deserved.If I hear Piper whine one more time about how awful prison was, I may come unglued. She didn't make a mistake or commit an infraction, she was involved in the heroin business. Heroin is a ghastly drug that destroys lives. Do us all a favor, Piper, and please just shut up.
Non-violent crimes are very serious as well. Take her own crime for example. Drugs. Drugs are responsible for probably 99% of the people that are in prison. I understand and agree with her points but I think she's not one who should be speaking on the problem of prison given that she was part of the problem... drug trafficker.
Who should be speaking on the problems of prison? You? The corporations that run prisons? It is great that she is using her privilege to bring attention to a problem that is largely ignored.
she has cute toes
+Richard Hernandez i know right :D not the only one
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What's wrong with his mouth? Ruined the interview for me
+Sam Fortner her mouth is normal i think there is something wrong with you...
+jennifer l said his mouth not hers lol
+Sam Fortner oh lol mah bad XD
there's nothing wrong w his mouth
I commited a crime and now I'm being punished. boo hoo, pity me.