Wow - expected the Genelecs to wipe the floor with the MTM's - very impressed that the iLouds really seemed to keep up so well.. would be happy to mix on them from this demo - completely unexpected. Well done iLoud :)
and another great comparison. Wow they are extremely close. And it look like the MTMs could be branded with a Genelec logo on the front and if you didn't know the MTMs you'ld say they were from the same company. I'm glad I bought a pair of these. For the price difference you cant go wrong with the MTMs! Thanks again DS!
they both have their strengths & weaknesses. on my studio system (eve-audio), the genelecs are a little flatter (but slighty edgy); the mtms have more bass, but it's not a true deep bass; more of a pushed mid-bass... which i don't necessarily hate. tough call (am looking for some small monitors for home); these videos are SO useful, tho... thanks for that (am leaning towards the mtms... hmmm...)
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Please friend, compare yhe edifier S350db with S360db. There is no any video on youtube which which really shows their difference. Please do it. A lot of people want to see it🙏 Subbed. Great comparing channel tho.
Please friend, compare yhe edifier S350db with S360db. There is no any video on youtube which which really shows their difference. Please do it. A lot of people want to see it🙏 Subbed. Great comparing channel tho.
Really appreciate these speaker comparison review videos. Super useful and you've done a great job. Next Challenge: compare the off-axis behavior by moving the recording device from side to side during playback. I bet Genelec engineers would appreciate it ;)
@@ChrisKeyman Yes, indeed but I’d still take the MTM’s over any other brand really! Rather have a good lil pair of reference monitors and my trusty cans than some Yamaha stuff or whatever
The MTM's sound closer to the source... though both speakers need a 110-Hz boost because both are missing it. The Genelecs sound clearer BUT - its missing the bottom end. a person would be hard pressed to actually get low end to sit properly without A/B other monitors to make sure. the MTM's on the other hand, seems to carry the bass very well and in parallel to the source music. Much easier to sit the bass on to a track with them. Im listening through an Apollo x8p and ATH-M50X headphones.
@@n-fotrnd1150 Yet, thousands of musicians use Apollo Interfaces and many have made Grammy award winning songs and topped Billboard charts, not to mention millions of plays on streaming services. BTW - I get the same results using my RME Fireface UFX-II Interface as I do with the Apollo Interface. So I don't know what else to tell you.
hmmm... the ilouds are really nice, but the genelecs still sound a tiny bit more natural and less ear fatiguing. those monitors are hard to beat! would love to hear a comparison between the Genelecs and Neumann KH80. both similarly priced. love it when you include classical music as well! or you could include a classic jazz trio from the 60s.... some bill evans for example. a few examples of UNCOMPRESSED music would be so welcomed! but love your comparisons... really really informative. thanks.
There's not a huge difference but if anything I would've thought the genelec would be more fatiguing since they arguably sound smaller and more shrill if either is noticably shriller at all. Where do you hear the difference coming from?
@@kohnfutner9637 hi kohn. i ended buying the iloud MTM and have them now as my second set of monitors (my other ones are a pair of Neumann kh310 which are absolutely awesome!). I was able to audition the iloud MTMs for myself and thought they were really nice for what they do.... and their price is unbeatable. I already tried the mic compensation, and although subtle, it does make a nice little difference in my treated room. overall, extremely happy with this buy and being able to AB my mixes in a very realistic way! my comment regarding the genelecs vs the iloud was what i heard here at home, but think about it: sound is already altered by whatever microphone is used to record, the compression youtube will apply and the color of your monitors or headphones. plus most of the examples used in this channel, are already extremely compressed! i mix and master mostly jazz and classical, so it's another world. if you are thinking about buying them, i think you will like them! cheers!
@@themastroiannis I appreciate your reply. I was searching out edifier brand. I have fluance ai40 and they have seductive spacial imaging, wide, tall soundstage and good tight psychoacoustical low end. The fluance ai40 are pleasing and enjoyable speakers as my lay in bed sleep to music or nature sound speakers.
i agree.. the iloud has more evident high frequencies.. but generally these are awesome! i'm looking forward to having iloud MTMs but man those genelecs have that mid frequency the MTM is a bit lacking. i own an iloud micro by the way.
iLoud has a lot better bass but Genelec has a bit better clarity in mids and highs. You can hear it slightly in the guitar 🎸 sounds and some of the very high snare sounds and vocal "s" sounds. But the iLoud brings out some other mid guitar and vocal frequencies that Genelec seems to be missing makes it 'fuller' and more enjoyable. You can hear it in Retro Wave, the Genelec sounds tinny and empty, but also accurate and responsive. Like it focuses on certain freqencies and has a more responsive tweeter. After the snare sound 🔊 it quickly changes to like a noise sound 🔊 that the iLoud can't quite adapt quick enough to and it makes it sound live.
@ Digital Stereophony, which of these monitors are more suitable for listening to music (not for working with sound), do you consider these two to be the best quality on the market? abstracting from the price, which monitors in the market are better for your taste just for music?
They are both pro audio monitors designed to use in a very limited space environment. Other than how low the bass goes, you should not think which one sounds better, because they both aim to help you mix audio accurately. If you are not getting a sub, then you should get MTM since the bass goes lower on that. If you get a sub, then 8020D has wider sweet spot as MTMs are designed to radiate sound from those 2 woofers in phase so you must place them very accurately. MTMs have integrated room correction functionality (you need to use supplied microphone) which could also be a decisive factor.
@@deafno just reading your comment and you know what you are talking about could you give me your thoughts. I’m battling in my head what monitors to get, I already have a pair of Yamaha HS5, I was going to get a pair of Adam a5x along with a sub but room is quite small, then I see the MTM’s which throws a spanner in the works, I do like them and would be good for the space I have but something is just not sitting with me right about them, I think it’s the physical size, and can the sound be that good, I’m looking to start mixing tracks as a small business and would be using these as my main monitors. Have you any thoughts, would appreciated your opinion, many thanks
@@highland1997 A5x could be a good choice. I am personally fan of Neumann's as they have low self noise (hiss). KH 120A or KH 80 DSP with sub. The KH 750 DSP sub seems also very nice with the digital controls. I am looking to get one myself, but haven't tested it yet. I would not get MTMs with sub as I think their room compensation software does not take into account the use of subwoofer.
Great video as usual! Just a quick question, is there a huge difference between the Genelec a, b, c, d models? I know you have a pair of 8010As and this pair of 8020Ds and they are different in size, but in case you have any experience comparing between a, b, c and d in the same size Genelecs. Thanks a lot!
A, B, C, D just determines the generation, some models have models from A-C some only have A-B, it really only matters if you are buying used gear to determine its age, but with Genelec their reliability is outstanding but they are often very pricey for their age, for example I found 8040a-s for Around 1150 euros but they are an old model so it can be a gamble, but overall the letters determine the generation of the model, different amps, different power/volume controls, more efficency, as far as I know the sonics should be pretty much the same
I've been using a pair of 8040A's, the first gen, and still get complements on how good they sound when very seasoned mix engineers hear them in my studio. It's a gamble on how blasted they were if you are buying new, but they are build like tanks.
The great "weapon" of MTMs is the ARC microphone which helps you to calibrate each speaker separately according to your room You miss a lot from its potential if you don't calibrate them.... it's a 2 minute job. THEN, if you want, put the low shelf to 40 Hz... 50 Hz is the "flat" point of them.... -----CONCLUSION------ With a pair MTM PLUS a descent subwoofer, your mixings will go to an other level. Humble opinion.
Throughout the video (I watched blind) I noticed one speaker tended to have a more annoying treble making the speaker less balanced. And then it showed up in the measurements, too. Have a pair of iLoud MTM's on the way :)
Hello Digital Stereophony, i am a techno producer looking to find a mobile speaker that can play loud. Which is better the genelec or iloud? I heard Iloud can make port noise? is that true?
your work is really helpful I wish you a wall of free gear. This video in particular is helping me decide on a pair of genelec 8030c and I think I’m ready now
Hey everyone, Which one of these should I choose if portability is very important to me? My tasks: general music listening and guitar playing through plugins. No mixing or serious sound work.
To my ears the MTM have more definition and are more in your face sound, if I had the money I would by the MTM, love your videos !!! 😍😍🤗🤗👍👍💖💖🎼🎵🎶🎹🎙🎙🎤🎤🎚🎚🎛🎛🎧🎧🎻🎺🎷🎸🎸
@@rockfella27 Well, had them now for 2 months. Use them as near-field monitors in our studio. After some getting used to (all speakers have their own character, a combination of coloration and dispersion) I really like them. Interestingly, they are IMO at their best at a distance of >1m, so don't have them too close if you can. Our studio is around 60m2 but there's more then enough volume and bass if needed. For the size, there is no competition if you ask me.
well.. only one thing matters for me.. translation.. and the iLouds won for me. soundwise I prefer the genelecs, but the important thing is the mix translation.
I always love your Studio monitors compassions. At least we can get some short of judgment and this comparison is not always possible in visiting stores. I have a request it would be great if you can do the audio comparison of JBL-705p vs Genelec/Focal and Nuemann in the same price category of speakers. Unfortunately there’s no any JBL705P or JBL708P series proper audio demo. It’s look really interesting and priced so high I am sure JBL never disopoint specially this type of expensive speakers. I already bought a pair of 705p because I got a fabulous deal. I haven’t heard this monitors because it will come with in 3 days. I hope my instrument is in right direction. Thank you so much 😊
Excellent comparison. Thank you. Listening through a pair of Sonarworx calibrated Sony MDR-7506 headphones. Seems the sound is extremely close... So... by price/quality easily the MTMs.
vote for Genelec. thank you for test iLoud vs Genelec. Working with a lot of Genelec's: 8020, 8030, 8351A, 1237 I was interested to compare iLoud vs Genelec: using your video I still prefer well known Genelec sound
Dali Spektor 2 or Zensor 3 and external amp instead, for closer truth to source. I was surprised at price on the MTM. ILoud is a terrible name. Thanks for great comparo videos D.S. A lot of work, .Cheers! - Sandy
@@DSAUDIOreview Cool. I've enjoyed KEF REF101 in the late 70's and of course Rogers BBC LS3/5A as reference mini monitors. These days, IDK what is standout, though I hear B&W is making a good "bookshelf" speaker ( finally) in the 600e range - the model 607 - Also the wharfedale 200 series for those on a tight budget. Cheers! - Sandy
@@sandyshoremann7524 Got a pair of Focal Electra 906 (built in the early 2000's) for ~450€, utterly surprising, and a really nice tool, adding DT250 Headphones for double checking.
Listening on AKG K240 55ohms headphones the Genelec and the iLoud monitors sound the same. As a 8020 owner for almost 15 years I must say that in this demonstration the source wins, lol.
I would've swear to the difference but I think the iloud are a little more full mid-range. The genelec sound a taste lean. But the iloud don't sound all that full itself.
I have the 8020's but I need more bass. The 8020's stop at 60 Hz. The MTM's goes down to 50 Hz so I'm considering those instead - or buying a subwoofer (Swissonic Sub10 which goes down to 30 Hz). There is absolutely no "oomph" in the Genelecs. But they are perfect in all their frequency range. A sub will probably be better for "true" low end.
I had the 8020s for about 8 months and then added a Genelec 7050C subwoofer. Perfect integration and bass extension down to 30Hz. Wow! As a system, it's fantastic. I also added the Genelec 8000-409B floor stands which, while expensive, really helps with placement and, ultimately, the sound. Good luck!
Update: I ended up buying an Eve TS107 subwoofer to go with my 8020's. My conclusion after a year of use: I'm missing monitors with bigger speakers to give me a tighter bass than with my subwoofer. Maybe like the 8040's
yes，if non calibrated,they are bass a little muddy,but if MTM calibrated,bass will go solid.now if you want soft bass,set LF to 40hz will be deeper and softer but not muddy
the attack on a drum kick if you want to hear it is around 3khz and 4khz, but if you want to feel the kick it's around 90hz, 50hz will give you deepness in bass I would say
@@LTDusersince99 It's true,in iloud micro monitor,the kick drum even faster and puncher,that's because 50hz below in iloud micro cut-off,can not hear nothing, that makes iloud micro monitor bass sounds "fast",in this video bass test 9'25'' th-cam.com/video/Q3XLmw_pvsw/w-d-xo.html
@Can Fightstarter is absolutely correct, The bass was pretty disappointing out of the box. Once I calibrated them, it was almost like having a sub under the desk.
@@DjVuyoUmlungu I'm myself using 8030(not professionaly), and have other manufacturers speakers in somewhat similar price bracket like Klipsch, Monitor Audio, Linn, and will say Genelec definitely my favorite just because they sound good to me almost everywhere. They can be put down on the table, you can screw them to a wall, put them on stands and they just deliver And the vocals, especially in my language, just gives me shivers. "hi-fi" speakers in comparison is so needy :D but mtm cost much cheaper than 8320 + plus you need buy software if I'm correct which probably would be in the end 2x the price and with mtm everything is included. But i dont have any experience with dsp so can't comment further but just saying, because room problems are very real just don't know if dsp is best way to solve it...
Wow, they sound like the Kali LP-6! Wait. That might be because I'm listening to this video on Kali LP-6! It blows my mind that people use these videos for any sort of comparison.
Genelec are great but THE best speaker for under 1000€/$ is Adam Audio A77X if you have the space GET them they are amazing! With the genelec speakers i get ear fatigue after some time... The Adam Audio dont know this word! :)
don't know if I'll every upgrade to the A77x, but I feel the same way about my A7x. I've got A7x & MTMs & I like the MTMs, but I'm still in with my A7x
le Genelec mi sembrano più coerenti, definite e sincere. Le iLoud MTM le sento più pompate, mediose e leggermente confuse. Rimangono comunque delle casse bellissime. Secondo me se calibrate bene, possono essere molto affidabili.
would be interesting to hear that in real world as everyone is screaming how good ilouds are and how big do they sound, but from this demo they arent really, same as genelec 4inch speaker
Mtm have more bass like the genelec. That makes a more balanced frequency response. Hear this video on speakers that have more bass, then you hear the difference 😉
A 125hz dip is a typical side effect of stand mounting. Dips at 125 and then comes back up again.. Not just in this room. Apparently it's called the Ellison Effect. - th-cam.com/video/ZDmACvbPxXs/w-d-xo.html
@@windwalker5698 yes, I did a bit more research on the Allison Effect, and it is very interesting indeed. some of it even goes against the accepted standard of setting your mix space up symmetrically.
Genelecs have more timbre but also sounds a bit more splashy in the high end. Lower in bass obviously. MTMs sounds a bit tubby, less clarity, but has more authority in the low end. MTMs has smaller image compared to Gens. Not very critical mixing tool but good for balancing.
you only say that because iLoud is the cheaper one and Genelec has a longer history. But you definitely lost me when u said its not a mixing tool when Chris lord alge and other mixing engineers have them in their studio. The small genelecs like 8010,8020,8030 are for broadcasting thats why you only see them on printing desks in studios never in the mainroom. People in the news vans used to use them for quick editing. they were never intended for music production in the first place. also the frequency range is wider on the MTM so I am not quite sure what you're hearing but its a preference thing anyway.
@@rubiooibur8534 i only say that because of what i hear. Your comment is poorly decided. Of course price is not a deciding point on choosing which mediums to mix on. You can reference a mix on ilouds, iphones, headphones and Genelecs. CLA and other tope engineers have them in their studio because they’re given them for free and a sweet little paycheque from IK Multimedia to promote them. Classifying Genelecs only for broadcasting is like classifying women are only good for sex.
I ordered two MTMs directly from IK. One of them did arrive DOA. I contacted customer service email, and the same person saw me through the entire process to get a replacement, including sending me a prepaid label so I’m not paying to ship the bad one back. And then she sent me a personal email to let me know when the good replacement shipped. How much better customer service do you need at that point? And yes, made in China and have more quality problems probably then Genelec but they are also half the price and that’s what I could afford and they sound amazing. Plus I already had 96 bonus dollars from a previous purchase and I did not get charge sales tax so they were $598 delivered. For the pair.
they sound real close. love your demo shootouts...
Wow - expected the Genelecs to wipe the floor with the MTM's - very impressed that the iLouds really seemed to keep up so well.. would be happy to mix on them from this demo - completely unexpected. Well done iLoud :)
and another great comparison. Wow they are extremely close. And it look like the MTMs could be branded with a Genelec logo on the front and if you didn't know the MTMs you'ld say they were from the same company.
I'm glad I bought a pair of these. For the price difference you cant go wrong with the MTMs!
Thanks again DS!
they both have their strengths & weaknesses. on my studio system (eve-audio), the genelecs are a little flatter (but slighty edgy); the mtms have more bass, but it's not a true deep bass; more of a pushed mid-bass... which i don't necessarily hate.
tough call (am looking for some small monitors for home); these videos are SO useful, tho... thanks for that (am leaning towards the mtms... hmmm...)
iLoud MTM is recorded WITHOUT the room correction engaged! If you want to check how effective MTM's room correction is check out this video: th-cam.com/video/jFyK_yxRi6o/w-d-xo.html
> 10:25 < Frequency Response Comparison
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Please friend, compare yhe edifier S350db with S360db. There is no any video on youtube which which really shows their difference. Please do it. A lot of people want to see it🙏
Subbed. Great comparing channel tho.
Please friend, compare yhe edifier S350db with S360db. There is no any video on youtube which which really shows their difference. Please do it. A lot of people want to see it🙏
Subbed. Great comparing channel tho.
great job man! the best on youtube on these comparisons!
Why both speakers are producing more high frequencies than the audio source. Maybee because of yur mic?
Really appreciate these speaker comparison review videos. Super useful and you've done a great job. Next Challenge: compare the off-axis behavior by moving the recording device from side to side during playback. I bet Genelec engineers would appreciate it ;)
I have iLouds but Genelecs sound much better for mixing. Yeah not as much bass, but the mids and highs are nice and flat, which is what you want.
You are not happy with mtm's?
So an 8030's would be a much better choice you think ?
@@ChrisKeyman Yes, indeed but I’d still take the MTM’s over any other brand really! Rather have a good lil pair of reference monitors and my trusty cans than some Yamaha stuff or whatever
what mids!!
The MTM's sound closer to the source... though both speakers need a 110-Hz boost because both are missing it.
The Genelecs sound clearer BUT - its missing the bottom end. a person would be hard pressed to actually get low end to sit properly without A/B other monitors to make sure.
the MTM's on the other hand, seems to carry the bass very well and in parallel to the source music. Much easier to sit the bass on to a track with them.
Im listening through an Apollo x8p and ATH-M50X headphones.
Apollo interface boost impedence so it makes your speakers sound better
@@n-fotrnd1150
Yet, thousands of musicians use Apollo Interfaces and many have made Grammy award winning songs and topped Billboard charts, not to mention millions of plays on streaming services.
BTW - I get the same results using my RME Fireface UFX-II Interface as I do with the Apollo Interface. So I don't know what else to tell you.
Genelec + Genelec sub forever)
omg! mtm iloud is so incredible!
hmmm... the ilouds are really nice, but the genelecs still sound a tiny bit more natural and less ear fatiguing. those monitors are hard to beat! would love to hear a comparison between the Genelecs and Neumann KH80. both similarly priced. love it when you include classical music as well! or you could include a classic jazz trio from the 60s.... some bill evans for example. a few examples of UNCOMPRESSED music would be so welcomed! but love your comparisons... really really informative. thanks.
There's not a huge difference but if anything I would've thought the genelec would be more fatiguing since they arguably sound smaller and more shrill if either is noticably shriller at all. Where do you hear the difference coming from?
@@kohnfutner9637 hi kohn. i ended buying the iloud MTM and have them now as my second set of monitors (my other ones are a pair of Neumann kh310 which are absolutely awesome!). I was able to audition the iloud MTMs for myself and thought they were really nice for what they do.... and their price is unbeatable. I already tried the mic compensation, and although subtle, it does make a nice little difference in my treated room. overall, extremely happy with this buy and being able to AB my mixes in a very realistic way! my comment regarding the genelecs vs the iloud was what i heard here at home, but think about it: sound is already altered by whatever microphone is used to record, the compression youtube will apply and the color of your monitors or headphones. plus most of the examples used in this channel, are already extremely compressed! i mix and master mostly jazz and classical, so it's another world. if you are thinking about buying them, i think you will like them! cheers!
@@themastroiannis I appreciate your reply. I was searching out edifier brand. I have fluance ai40 and they have seductive spacial imaging, wide, tall soundstage and good tight psychoacoustical low end. The fluance ai40 are pleasing and enjoyable speakers as my lay in bed sleep to music or nature sound speakers.
i agree.. the iloud has more evident high frequencies.. but generally these are awesome! i'm looking forward to having iloud MTMs but man those genelecs have that mid frequency the MTM is a bit lacking. i own an iloud micro by the way.
@@JanLeviSanchez what is your opinion about the micro's?
Also would you suggest the mtm's against the 8030's?
You should compare the iload mtm against the new iLoud Precision line
I feel more neutral sound from Genelecs, mids are perfect. I think iLouds are more colored, slightly V-shape in frequency response
iLoud has a lot better bass but Genelec has a bit better clarity in mids and highs. You can hear it slightly in the guitar 🎸 sounds and some of the very high snare sounds and vocal "s" sounds. But the iLoud brings out some other mid guitar and vocal frequencies that Genelec seems to be missing makes it 'fuller' and more enjoyable. You can hear it in Retro Wave, the Genelec sounds tinny and empty, but also accurate and responsive. Like it focuses on certain freqencies and has a more responsive tweeter. After the snare sound 🔊 it quickly changes to like a noise sound 🔊 that the iLoud can't quite adapt quick enough to and it makes it sound live.
Genelec has a bit better clarity in mids and highs. more HFreq not equals to @better@
Pretty close but Genelecs seem sightly wider while the iLouds seem more extended on the lows.
Ilouds are much better imo, also way smoother
funny thing is im listening this vid on the ilouds :3
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Digital Stereophony, which of these monitors are more suitable for listening to music (not for working with sound), do you consider these two to be the best quality on the market?
abstracting from the price, which monitors in the market are better for your taste just for music?
They are both pro audio monitors designed to use in a very limited space environment. Other than how low the bass goes, you should not think which one sounds better, because they both aim to help you mix audio accurately. If you are not getting a sub, then you should get MTM since the bass goes lower on that. If you get a sub, then 8020D has wider sweet spot as MTMs are designed to radiate sound from those 2 woofers in phase so you must place them very accurately. MTMs have integrated room correction functionality (you need to use supplied microphone) which could also be a decisive factor.
@@deafno just reading your comment and you know what you are talking about could you give me your thoughts.
I’m battling in my head what monitors to get, I already have a pair of Yamaha HS5, I was going to get a pair of Adam a5x along with a sub but room is quite small, then I see the MTM’s which throws a spanner in the works, I do like them and would be good for the space I have but something is just not sitting with me right about them, I think it’s the physical size, and can the sound be that good, I’m looking to start mixing tracks as a small business and would be using these as my main monitors.
Have you any thoughts, would appreciated your opinion, many thanks
@@highland1997 A5x could be a good choice. I am personally fan of Neumann's as they have low self noise (hiss). KH 120A or KH 80 DSP with sub. The KH 750 DSP sub seems also very nice with the digital controls. I am looking to get one myself, but haven't tested it yet. I would not get MTMs with sub as I think their room compensation software does not take into account the use of subwoofer.
@@deafno thank you for your reply really appreciate it, think I’m going with the Adams or the Kali Audio LP-6 👍
@@highland1997 I wouldn't get the Kali Audio LP-6 myself for reasons about the allegations that they have too much self-hiss! :-(
Great video as usual! Just a quick question, is there a huge difference between the Genelec a, b, c, d models?
I know you have a pair of 8010As and this pair of 8020Ds and they are different in size, but in case you have any experience comparing between a, b, c and d in the same size Genelecs. Thanks a lot!
A, B, C, D just determines the generation, some models have models from A-C some only have A-B, it really only matters if you are buying used gear to determine its age, but with Genelec their reliability is outstanding but they are often very pricey for their age, for example I found 8040a-s for Around 1150 euros but they are an old model so it can be a gamble, but overall the letters determine the generation of the model, different amps, different power/volume controls, more efficency, as far as I know the sonics should be pretty much the same
@@switchblademusic7833 cool! Thanks for the reply.
I've been using a pair of 8040A's, the first gen, and still get complements on how good they sound when very seasoned mix engineers hear them in my studio. It's a gamble on how blasted they were if you are buying new, but they are build like tanks.
The great "weapon" of MTMs is the ARC microphone which helps you to calibrate each speaker separately according to your room
You miss a lot from its potential if you don't calibrate them.... it's a 2 minute job.
THEN, if you want, put the low shelf to 40 Hz... 50 Hz is the "flat" point of them....
-----CONCLUSION------
With a pair MTM PLUS a descent subwoofer, your mixings will go to an other level.
Humble opinion.
Throughout the video (I watched blind) I noticed one speaker tended to have a more annoying treble making the speaker less balanced. And then it showed up in the measurements, too. Have a pair of iLoud MTM's on the way :)
LOL buddy LOL
Hello Digital Stereophony, i am a techno producer looking to find a mobile speaker that can play loud. Which is better the genelec or iloud? I heard Iloud can make port noise? is that true?
your work is really helpful I wish you a wall of free gear. This video in particular is helping me decide on a pair of genelec 8030c and I think I’m ready now
like your opus very much，and keep on paying attention.
Can u test play Barefoot footprint 03 vs iLouds 🕊😯
Hey everyone, Which one of these should I choose if portability is very important to me? My tasks: general music listening and guitar playing through plugins. No mixing or serious sound work.
To my ears the MTM have more definition and are more in your face sound, if I had the money I would by the MTM, love your videos !!! 😍😍🤗🤗👍👍💖💖🎼🎵🎶🎹🎙🎙🎤🎤🎚🎚🎛🎛🎧🎧🎻🎺🎷🎸🎸
Those MTM's have more low end! I was NOT expecting that at all. They sound much more balanced than the Genelecs, that is fo sure.
Great video, thanks! Just purchased a pair of MTM's even though they are quite expensive :)
Cool. Let me know what you think of them!
@@DSAUDIOreview Will do! They should arrive next week. Will use them as main near-field monitors in our music studio :)
@@petersvan7880 Share your experience
@@rockfella27 Well, had them now for 2 months. Use them as near-field monitors in our studio. After some getting used to (all speakers have their own character, a combination of coloration and dispersion) I really like them. Interestingly, they are IMO at their best at a distance of >1m, so don't have them too close if you can. Our studio is around 60m2 but there's more then enough volume and bass if needed. For the size, there is no competition if you ask me.
@@petersvan7880 thx man
when playing "deep" e.g. at 7:48 on iLoud MTM the bass seems to be 0.1 s behind the rest
well.. only one thing matters for me.. translation.. and the iLouds won for me. soundwise I prefer the genelecs, but the important thing is the mix translation.
Call me purist, but DSP introduces artifacts in A-D-A conversion… not good for preserving original file information
I always love your Studio monitors compassions. At least we can get some short of judgment and this comparison is not always possible in visiting stores. I have a request it would be great if you can do the audio comparison of JBL-705p vs Genelec/Focal and Nuemann in the same price category of speakers. Unfortunately there’s no any JBL705P or JBL708P series proper audio demo. It’s look really interesting and priced so high I am sure JBL never disopoint specially this type of expensive speakers. I already bought a pair of 705p because I got a fabulous deal. I haven’t heard this monitors because it will come with in 3 days. I hope my instrument is in right direction. Thank you so much 😊
Yes iloud mtm sounds better to me
no doubt Genelec sound amazing... and most honest speakers ever
Excellent comparison. Thank you. Listening through a pair of Sonarworx calibrated Sony MDR-7506 headphones. Seems the sound is extremely close... So... by price/quality easily the MTMs.
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These sound so close! We’re they this close in the room for you?
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vote for Genelec.
thank you for test iLoud vs Genelec. Working with a lot of Genelec's: 8020, 8030, 8351A, 1237
I was interested to compare iLoud vs Genelec: using your video I still prefer well known Genelec sound
Hello, what is the differences on sound between the 8020 and the 8030?
Extended bass to the 8030's i suppose. But just this?
Can you please do the Micro Monitors vs. Vanatoo T0’s ?
Sounds like a good match to me - good call!
Dali Spektor 2 or Zensor 3 and external amp instead, for closer truth to source. I was surprised at price on the MTM. ILoud is a terrible name. Thanks for great comparo videos D.S. A lot of work, .Cheers! - Sandy
I plan to test out few passive speakers next year, we will see how well they compare with active designs ;) Cheers!
@@DSAUDIOreview Cool. I've enjoyed KEF REF101 in the late 70's and of course Rogers BBC LS3/5A as reference mini monitors. These days, IDK what is standout, though I hear B&W is making a good "bookshelf" speaker ( finally) in the 600e range - the model 607 - Also the wharfedale 200 series for those on a tight budget. Cheers! - Sandy
@@sandyshoremann7524 Got a pair of Focal Electra 906 (built in the early 2000's) for ~450€, utterly surprising, and a really nice tool, adding DT250 Headphones for double checking.
per capire bene la differenza tra i diffusori bisogna guardare il video usando delle cuffie di qualita...
The ilouds have a fuller sound. I've been using them for 2 years. They translate well to various systems.
Mtm better for electronic music producers. Better low end. Genelec clarity is better. Mtm much closer to reference track
Listening on AKG K240 55ohms headphones the Genelec and the iLoud monitors sound the same. As a 8020 owner for almost 15 years I must say that in this demonstration the source wins, lol.
AKG K712 ,Genelec a bit more open sound "perhaps" , but - more less the same
I would've swear to the difference but I think the iloud are a little more full mid-range. The genelec sound a taste lean. But the iloud don't sound all that full itself.
I have the 8020's but I need more bass. The 8020's stop at 60 Hz. The MTM's goes down to 50 Hz so I'm considering those instead - or buying a subwoofer (Swissonic Sub10 which goes down to 30 Hz). There is absolutely no "oomph" in the Genelecs. But they are perfect in all their frequency range. A sub will probably be better for "true" low end.
I had the 8020s for about 8 months and then added a Genelec 7050C subwoofer. Perfect integration and bass extension down to 30Hz. Wow! As a system, it's fantastic.
I also added the Genelec 8000-409B floor stands which, while expensive, really helps with placement and, ultimately, the sound. Good luck!
Update: I ended up buying an Eve TS107 subwoofer to go with my 8020's. My conclusion after a year of use: I'm missing monitors with bigger speakers to give me a tighter bass than with my subwoofer. Maybe like the 8040's
Tra Genelec 8020 e Iloud MTM quale è più indicata per essere collegata ad un sintetizzatore (solo per ascolto e non per miraggio)?
Non fa differenza
what about the 8030C?
The bass doesnt sound fast enough in MTM? Couldnt hear the attack much. May be Zoom H6 couldn't capture below 50Hz with accuracy?
yes，if non calibrated,they are bass a little muddy,but if MTM calibrated,bass will go solid.now if you want soft bass,set LF to 40hz will be deeper and softer but not muddy
the attack on a drum kick if you want to hear it is around 3khz and 4khz, but if you want to feel the kick it's around 90hz, 50hz will give you deepness in bass I would say
@@LTDusersince99 It's true,in iloud micro monitor,the kick drum even faster and puncher,that's because 50hz below in iloud micro cut-off,can not hear nothing, that makes iloud micro monitor bass sounds "fast",in this video bass test 9'25'' th-cam.com/video/Q3XLmw_pvsw/w-d-xo.html
@Can Fightstarter is absolutely correct, The bass was pretty disappointing out of the box. Once I calibrated them, it was almost like having a sub under the desk.
Thanks nice info's
wow the mtm actually sounds really good. i would also wonder about build quality genelec is known for its quality
I've had Genelec 8040A for 15 years and only had a fuse issue once.
Have you tested the HomePod’s in a stereo setup?
Nope
you should show scopes
Советую слушать в моно, так как стереообраз оригинала сильно отличается от записи с мониторов.
Was the iLoud self-calibrated for the recording?
Nope. All settings set to flat and bass extension set to 40Hz, calibration not engaged
@@DSAUDIOreview why not ? mic comes in the box - in the price included feature.
@@MrBazsi888 all settings set to flat to be fair to the compared speaker. 😁
@@Patata0ke you block a given feature, because the other units don't have it ? strange logic.
@@MrBazsi888 i think you're a fan of the iLoud MTM 😂
Both are good monitors and the difference is small. iLoudMTM's cost performance is attractive.
What speakers were used for the source track?
No speaker for source sound track, it playback directly to your device
What audio interface is used to send audio to monitors?
The one between your ears
in Germany, the Genelec is cheaper... :(
I would prefere the Genelec over the iLoud. I work with Genelec, Focal and Dynaudio Monitors.
@@DjVuyoUmlungu so you are bias... :D
@@jonasm.9786 yeh.. 100%
@@DjVuyoUmlungu I'm myself using 8030(not professionaly), and have other manufacturers speakers in somewhat similar price bracket like Klipsch, Monitor Audio, Linn, and will say Genelec definitely my favorite just because they sound good to me almost everywhere. They can be put down on the table, you can screw them to a wall, put them on stands and they just deliver And the vocals, especially in my language, just gives me shivers. "hi-fi" speakers in comparison is so needy :D but mtm cost much cheaper than 8320 + plus you need buy software if I'm correct which probably would be in the end 2x the price and with mtm everything is included. But i dont have any experience with dsp so can't comment further but just saying, because room problems are very real just don't know if dsp is best way to solve it...
In Thailand, single Genelec 8020D cost a pair of iLoud MTM (or even cost more for some store). Strange, I know right.
Can you comapre adam a7x and genelec 8040, it's highlitghter's of monitor's!!!!
Iloud is a little bit colored on the low end
Wow, they sound like the Kali LP-6! Wait. That might be because I'm listening to this video on Kali LP-6! It blows my mind that people use these videos for any sort of comparison.
You have original recording... Listening on the phone can already tell you which one is closer
@@lukabosnjak3829 No wonder people buy BOSE and similar nonsense if this is the reasoning most have.
if woman complains about the size - show her Iloud micro.
Just get the elac ub5.
@@kohnfutner9637 them big
or buy her a sub woofer....
@@6933CH lmao
Genelec are great but THE best speaker for under 1000€/$ is Adam Audio A77X if you have the space GET them they are amazing! With the genelec speakers i get ear fatigue after some time... The Adam Audio dont know this word! :)
don't know if I'll every upgrade to the A77x, but I feel the same way about my A7x. I've got A7x & MTMs & I like the MTMs, but I'm still in with my A7x
Which one genelec's do you have ?
1x a77x vs 2x mtm realy???
Have you calibrated the ilouds?
do you know only the video is being changed the audio source is constant
no
No doubt the MTM is boomy and the Genelec is more true, but...how about a comparison after SAM and ARC compensation!!
please test genelec 8030
IK Multimedia iLoud MTM vs Adam T5V please
MTM has much more depth, the 8020D sound too thin.
le Genelec mi sembrano più coerenti, definite e sincere. Le iLoud MTM le sento più pompate, mediose e leggermente confuse. Rimangono comunque delle casse bellissime. Secondo me se calibrate bene, possono essere molto affidabili.
为什么 120HZ 左右 都有一个 谷？？？
房间因素
It's called the Allison effect. Carl Tatz talked about it in this Produce Like A Pro video, check it out: th-cam.com/video/ZDmACvbPxXs/w-d-xo.html
相位抵消，房间的声学问题。
would be interesting to hear that in real world as everyone is screaming how good ilouds are and how big do they sound, but from this demo they arent really, same as genelec 4inch speaker
Mtm have more bass like the genelec. That makes a more balanced frequency response. Hear this video on speakers that have more bass, then you hear the difference 😉
Iloud Mtm vs hedd type 20 mk ii please...👍
hedds wipe them hard. no comparison. i have both. however mtm very good for their size
Damn.. 5:00 Genelec showing audio image quality...
no sound correction on mtm, with correction his best
Why do both suffer from a large dip at ~120Hz?
Because they where measured in my room. The room acoustics case the dip
A 125hz dip is a typical side effect of stand mounting. Dips at 125 and then comes back up again.. Not just in this room. Apparently it's called the Ellison Effect. - th-cam.com/video/ZDmACvbPxXs/w-d-xo.html
@@brin57 Thats a real helpfull video, Brian. Thanks for sharing.
@@windwalker5698 yes, I did a bit more research on the Allison Effect, and it is very interesting indeed. some of it even goes against the accepted standard of setting your mix space up symmetrically.
@@brin57 Gosh! it seems I'll need a room with boundaries set 10ft apart to be able to push these Dips downward below lets say 33Hz
Genelecs have more timbre but also sounds a bit more splashy in the high end. Lower in bass obviously. MTMs sounds a bit tubby, less clarity, but has more authority in the low end. MTMs has smaller image compared to Gens. Not very critical mixing tool but good for balancing.
you only say that because iLoud is the cheaper one and Genelec has a longer history. But you definitely lost me when u said its not a mixing tool when Chris lord alge and other mixing engineers have them in their studio. The small genelecs like 8010,8020,8030 are for broadcasting thats why you only see them on printing desks in studios never in the mainroom. People in the news vans used to use them for quick editing. they were never intended for music production in the first place. also the frequency range is wider on the MTM so I am not quite sure what you're hearing but its a preference thing anyway.
@@rubiooibur8534 i only say that because of what i hear. Your comment is poorly decided. Of course price is not a deciding point on choosing which mediums to mix on. You can reference a mix on ilouds, iphones, headphones and Genelecs. CLA and other tope engineers have them in their studio because they’re given them for free and a sweet little paycheque from IK Multimedia to promote them. Classifying Genelecs only for broadcasting is like classifying women are only good for sex.
Genelec is too bright in my opinion. From this presentation it looks as if the bass was completely absent
I’k multimedia are better
Ik more bass more tremble
iLoud suffers poor after sale service and its made in China
I ordered two MTMs directly from IK. One of them did arrive DOA. I contacted customer service email, and the same person saw me through the entire process to get a replacement, including sending me a prepaid label so I’m not paying to ship the bad one back. And then she sent me a personal email to let me know when the good replacement shipped. How much better customer service do you need at that point? And yes, made in China and have more quality problems probably then Genelec but they are also half the price and that’s what I could afford and they sound amazing. Plus I already had 96 bonus dollars from a previous purchase and I did not get charge sales tax so they were $598 delivered. For the pair.
genelec 8020d
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800,000won
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500$
600,000won
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