You are freaking amazing. First I watched your Bandos guide after getting bowfa on my iron and got 500kc since, never thought I could do something like this, always meleed GWD and its so satisfying. I needed 3 failed trips to Zammy before realizing my marked tiles were 1 off - after that it was just as easy as Bandos. You changed my PVMing and I am so thankful!
small tip for any of these bowfa methods is changing left click options to 'walk here' on all the minions so you never misclick them instead of the boss when they are stacked
just finished bandos at 712 kc, and the whole time i was dreading doing some random cannon method. im soooooo excited thank you bro for dropping the knowledge on us. you must be protected at all cost. you're important to the community
This is actually so much easier and chill then the 8:0 method im getting 30 kill trips + based on rest drops super easy once you learn it thanks again bud great vid
Using this now on my iron after doing your bandos method.... incredible videos. Look forward to hopefully seeing more in the future but grateful for these. The runelite update to turn off left click attacks also makes these even easier, especially sara.
@@LactatingLuke Best tips I can give you is: click on him as soon as your in the last tile that is still "underneath" him. (Tag-all can help with this) and then also click three tiles before you reach the end. (The red tiles). So you shoot on the red tile, click the door/altar, wait until the last tile that's still underneath him, click the opposite red tile, wait until your 3 tiles before the next red tile (so a 2 tile gap) and attack, click on red tile and attack. Repeat ad nauseam, this works in both directions.
Just tried this on my iron and got a zammy spear on my 10th kc! Thanks for posting this, much love. Going back to get my 2nd spear now cause I'm loving this strat
idk, i thought i had it down with bandos pretty well, but now im back to dying every 1-2 kills on kril.... This is frustrating, it's x100 times harder than CG or TOA
Man the imps are mad at me, I killed hundreds of them so far learning this method lol... Even in some ways harder than corrupted gauntlet since one mistake throws you off cycle and it's tough to recover. But it's very satisfying to learn, getting ~3 kill trips now and I can see myself improving every trip. Metronome plugin also helped a lot for me.
This was expensive to learn (lost around 200k each death for me) but totally worth it. Thanks for this method. I'll move from the cannonbase methods to your bandos method next time!
@@jamieboer3466 please explain what's expensive? You protect 3 items. 4 if you're worried about dieing and protect item. Then leftover items are ring of suffering, Ava's accumulator, peg boots, anguish, barrows gloves. Etc
Since Arma doesn't move when targetting him, there's no point in moving around, so I didn't make a guide for it. But you can try doing the following, each line is a tick/cycle: 1) click arma 2) click shield 3) click under arma 4) click fbow REPEAT It's possible to delay clicking the fbow until the next tick so you get hit less by the minions, but then you have to do multiple clicks on tick (1), which is effort.
This is awesome dude. Any tips for attack locations for tile markers in between tile near door and tile near alter, or do you just kinda eyeball it? I find myself attacking too early and it goofs up resetting. Thanks!
There'd be too much confusion with additional tile markers IMO. Because it's hard to tell whether the marker is for eastwards or westwards movement. But you can try it if you want. I think it's easiest to just just be in the rhythm, attack every 4 ticks (= 2.4 seconds). Eyeballing is also possible. If running through zamy for example, you need to click zammy when you nearly get out of him.
Getting the hang of this but I'm noticing I pretty much always get out of cycle whenever I have to eat, even though I'm eating where i'd normally attack? Any help appreciated
Indeed, he has a 2/3 chance of doing melee and only a 1/3 chance of doing mage. My main goal was to avoid his YARRRRR special though, which can only occur when you are praying against melee. It's the hardest hitting attack. But if you look at the average damage taken instead of at maximum potential damage taken, then melee prayer is indeed better there.
Great guide first of all. Easily the most solid method imo. The only big problem I have is when he first spawns. I feel like I just don't have the timing down for when to attack him and that messes up part of the kill sadly.
Instantly click on him when he spawns. And 0.6 seconds later, click the altar. If that's too little reaction time for you, you can move the 2 tilematkers 1 tile towards the west. This allows (or rather, requires) you to do your first shot 0.6 seconds later.
@@GeChallengeM Ok, I got a good bit better with the timing of it with a few more attempts. Appreciate the reply regardless. Also, could that work with Bandos as well? I'm having a similar issue so far, not quite ready to give up, but just want to know if I can take the same advice and apply it there as well if need be. Thanks again for the amazing guides.
Hi I want to try this method on my main for combat achievements, but I can't access instances yet, how can I go about the first kill? I assume the boss just wanders around the room and doesn't freshly spawn when not using an instance
You can try set it up using the method at 1:19: 1) stand next to a tilemarker 2) start running through K'ril right after K'ril attacks you It's also possible to wait for K'ril to be east and then enter the room. Then time the first shot and movement perfectly. This allows you to set up the method without tanking any K'ril hits, but seems quite difficult to do because it's hard to tell what the right timing is.
I find this genuinely difficult lol. Any way you could re-upload with the metronome ticker on or something? I am too ape brained to get this I keep dying
I like using true tile indicator for these methods, makes it easier. You can look at the true tile marker in this video, and/or use the plugin yourself, to get the timing down better. If you want really to watch the video while a metronome is ticking you can play a 100 bpm metronome video along with it. But I won't be uploading a video that has the metronome already included, sorry.
When attempting to fix a mistake, does switching prayers have something to do with fixing it? Or is it just related to negating minion damage? Also, is the attack on Kril when fixing necessary? or can you just stand there and be ready to click altar? Amazing video btw, you beauty.
Switching prayers doesn't help to fix it, but the boss can hit hard and it helps negate that damage. The attacks done before K'ril attacks you (while fixing a mistake) are completely optional and not necessary. It's just nice to not lose out on DPS. But yes, you can just stand there without attacking and be ready to red-X.
Hey Man. Huge fan. Love all your vids. I've finally gotten bofa/crystal armor on my iron and am learning these.. 2 questions: 1. Do thralls mess this up? 2. Do i need to attack every 4 ticks or only on the marked tiles? Thanks!
1) If you start the kill with a thrall already active, I can see it messing up the flinches. The thrall's first hitsplat is not allowed to appear before your first bofa's hitsplat. You can spawn the thrall slightly before K'ril respawns (or at any time after K'ril respawns), and then it should be fine. Keep in mind though that if you mess up the cycle, the thrall will likely cause you to not be able to get in cycle anymore. 2) The marked tiles are important since the shots from those tiles cause K'ril to flinch. The other attacks aren't needed to stay in the cycle. It's important though that the timing of the marker tiles' shots stay correct. Shooting a tick earlier or later from such tile ruins the cycle, since K'ril's position would not be correct and/or the shot wouldn't cause K'ril to flinch.
@@GeChallengeM ok, wonderful. Thank you for the clarification. So, regarding the tick cycle: Is it (starting at the first attack) 1 (shoot), 2, 3, 4, 1 (shoot)? Basically what I'm trying to ascertain is what the tick cycle count in my head should be... idk if this is the right question even.. but just feeling a bit lost regarding that part and this is my first time learning one of these methods.
@@dylanlalonde The important thing is to shoot once every 4 ticks (2.4 seconds). How you count it in your head is up to personal preference, your suggestion is an example of something that works. Once you get the rhythm down it should be easy.
hey brother, was thinking about incorporating blowpipe spec into this method, would standing 1 or 2 more tiles north, then instantly bp spec > Bowfa > Altar, and run back to the regular tiles work? Only for bp spec tho. let me know.
That doesn't work, because K'ril would start his flinch too early. So you would get hit after running through him. It is possible to incorporate a blowpipe spec though, if you do something similar as here for Graardor: th-cam.com/video/rvkytWBKzKU/w-d-xo.html But it's quite tricky to do, easy to mess up. It's easier *and* better to do this method instead: th-cam.com/video/muyx3_vXfVo/w-d-xo.html It's better because you tank 3x fewer melee minion hits, and it's easier because you don't need quick clicks to incorporate the bowpipe spec.
hello, im having trouble here. i have learned the 8:0 bowfa method for kril and the bowfa method for bandos but i cant figure out how to get back in cycle with this one. you said in your video to get back in cycle wait for kril to hit you while standing on one of the end tiles and right when he hits you start the cycle. do you mean on the tick he hits you start the cycle? because thats what im doing and it never gets him back in cycle. please help
This video is for 6:0, not for 8:0. To fix the cycle, you have to stand *next to* one of the end tiles, not on them. This is very important. And you click to run right as you see Krril attacking you.
No, since those weapons have a lower attackspeed. I'd recommend looking up my zammy videos with tbow for those methods, since tbow has the same attackspeed as crossbows.
Exactly 1 tick, but yes. Perhaps enabling true NPC tile markers can help with the timing. - Click K'ril right after he moved 1 tile - Click the altar right after he moved another tile (this is right when you see yourself shooting)
I've gotten the regular kills down and its great, however im having issue with the fresh instance setup and end up having to just use your method for getting back into cycle. Before going into the instance do i need to wait for him to be in a particular area or wait for him on the first tile? Also 1 stam pot is only lasting me about 14 kills, not sure if im doing something wrong there. Awesome guide though, thank you!
You're supposed to not wait at all at any point when doing the fresh instance setup method. I'm not sure what ou'e doing wrong there, I'd have to see a clip of it. My agility level is 99. Having a high agility level helps a lot to reduce the amount of needed stamina potions. At level 96, you unlock the maximum bonus. This causes me to never require to drink any stam pots. It's still highly recommended to walk to pick up your loot, pray at the altar and then go to the starting tile though. If you want to save even more run energy, you can either manually walk the 3 outer tiles, or shift-walk those. Slightly more effort but affects your stam pots sustainability a lot.
Are there any alternatives to this fresh instance setup that don't require moving on the first tick? I can't do this because of the loading screen and it's making me use a ton of supplies on first kill getting into the rhythm.
It's really dumb, but they implemented a "loaddelay" there. This means that your character stays stalled until your client tells the server that the client loaded the area. In the past, this went really quick, and I was even able to do a shot on zammy before starting to move. Later on, this seemed to be impossible as the stall lasts a tick longer, requiring you to move instantly instead of shooting. And now it seems like that doesn't work either anymore? It might work if you disable some resource-intensive plugins maybe, or improve your internet connection... Other than that, I don't know. Zammy's position is really awkward. Perhaps doing the same movement but skipping the first shot would work?
@@is2cake oh right. I confused this video with the tbow one, where there's no shot fired at the start already. Skipping the shot saves a tick yes, that works.
Im curious about something.. This is method only works for BOWFA or can Tbow also be used? Because both weapons has a tick differences. I'm trying to practise it.
Indeed, the attackspeed differs, making the method not work for Tbow. You can use the following method instead though: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html
@@GeChallengeM Which of the two is more easy to learn? I'm practising the 5:0 however i just can't figure out when to hit kril at the start of the kill.
@@gamble0073 Instantly attack with a blowpipe hit, and then do the tbow hit. I *think* it still works if you did your blowpipe hit a tick late, but I'm not sure. I recommend doing the 5:0 tbow method because of the faster kills, but 6:0 bowfa is arguably easier to learn.
why do i do this but get hit all the time by him when coming out from underneath him? am i clicking him too early or something? (yes im red clicking door and altar)
The method relies on K'ril flinching off the bowfa hit you shot right before. There are specific requirements for it to work. If you do the method correctly, those requirements are always satisfied. But if you make a mistake once, K'ril will start hitting you every time you move out from under him... Unless you fix it. An explanation for how to fix it is given at 1:20.
You actually need to wait 2-3 ticks before clicking the altar the first time. I as clicking 1 tick after kril spawned and he would simply walk right beside me and smack me.
If comparing both setups for a maxed account with maxed gear, the TTK for non-tickloss attacks is 35.6 seconds vs 37.1 seconds. That's assuming no thralls though. On ancient magics, trip longetivity is no issue at all. You can stay as long as you want to, realisticly until you run out of ranged potions. If you bring arceuus spellbook for thralls and demonic offering, longetivity could be an issue for the Fbow method. The 9:0 Fbow method would be highly recommended to do instead of 6:0 due to tanking 3x fewer melee minion hits.
The most run-efficient saradomin route which only has 1 tile-click in between each boss? Thanks for reminding me, I'll look into it. Maybe I even already wrote down the route for that, but if not I can make one. Do you want one for 4tick or for 5tick weapons?
@@GeChallengeM thanks a lot. I assume blue tile is first hit on spawn, green is new instance, and red is normal cycle? besides not having to manually walk any tiles, what are pros/cons vs your other video's method?
I don't know about other 6:0 methods, but: - Compared with Lronic memes' 7:0 and 9:0 methods, this method is about 3% better DPS because you don't lose ticks. - Compared to my 9:0 method, it's technically worse since e.g. you get hit more often by the melee minion. But this probably doesn't really matter, and most people prefer 6:0 over 9:0 due to its simplicity.
The ranged minion maxes 21 while the magic minion only maxes 16. If you do the calculations, it turns out this difference is enough to make protect from ranged the best option.
You know that normally, when standing under an agressive NPC, the NPC does random movements. Back in the early OSRS days, this caused you to do weird movement when standing under the NPC and trying to attack it, because the NPC itself did weird movements. As patch, jagex updated the game such that the NPC doesn't anymore when you click it. However, the implementation was more general than required. So even a red-X click on something else than the NPC causes your last targeted NPC to not move while under it. Tl;dr: the door/altar click causes zammy to not move while being under him.
No, since this method makes use of a 4-tick weapon while rune cbow is 5-tick. But there's a method for 5-tick weapons here: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html I'd recommend using ancient magics instead of arceuus spellbook, so you have blood barrage to get back to full hp. Also, I wouldn't bother switching attackstyle to accurate since it isn't worth the effort.
Indeed, since tbow has a slower attackspeed. It's also not possible to adjust the tilemarkers to get the method to work: the room is 1 tile too small for that... x)
Yes, the kills would just be a bit longer. You might also want to turn on one of the defensive prayers because having to eat during the kill is a bit awkward to do.
This specific method is only possible for 4-tick weapons, and can't be extended to 5-tick weapons. For 5-tick weapons, I recommend using this video: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html In that video I do a lot of things that slightly increase the kills/hr, but aren't necessary. You can read the video description for more info about that.
I dont understand the timing from Kril's spawn for a regular kill and I think that ruins me every time. How long should you wait until you click the altar as if i click to early, i run north of kril when i attack, or if im too late i get hit off the spawn.
1) click k'ril 1 tick after he spawns. This is when he starts turning. 2) click altar right after attacking. Sounds like you didn't do (1). It's very important to delay that first click.
@@GeChallengeM That tip helped a lot, thank you! Following on from that, how late do you click the door because I tend to get hit right after i step out the west side from Kril to attack. Well, I get attacked after i step out to attack each side :(
@@xneidhardt1843 you get hit after stepping out if you messed up earlier in the cycle. So you should avoid messing up earlier, i'd need to see a clip to know what you did wrong exactly, unless you're referring to your original attempts. Sometimes you might mess up regardless though, due to making a mistake by accident. If this happens, the cycle can be fixed by doing what I did at 1:19.
@@GeChallengeMAll the tips you have given got me a 12kc trip (i ran out of stamina). I found that adding in every tile to attack on helped immensely as well (using 1 for tiles to attack on when running east and 2 for tiles to attack on when running west). Focusing on how to reset the cycle also helps out a lot. Thank you for all your help, earned yourself a sub my man. Will be keeping an eye out for more of your content!
The combination of reactiontime + ping needs to be under 0.6 seconds for it to work. Having a respawn timer plugin helps a lot for the reacion time. But indeed, if you want to be able to delay your click, moving both tiles 1 west works nicely.
@@GeChallengeM I'm on mobile so no respawn timer, it would help a bunch as you arnt having to react to the spawn as you know when it comes. I found bandos the same move the whole thing 1 tile down
I'm really having a hard time grasping all of these crazy god wars methods tbh.. like I've never played the game this way before so the whole concept is completely foreign
Today's engine update caused it to stop working, but jagex is planning to fix it tomorrow. As you can see in the message of 15:00 BST in this newspost: secure.runescape.com/m=news/quest-speedrunning-launch?oldschool=1
The reasons why I recommended pray mage while learning: - You'll take less damage from minions, since the melee minion isn't able to attack you nearly as often as the mage minion. - Zammy is only able to do its "YARRRR" special attack if you are praying melee. This attack always hits 35-49 damage and drains your prayer. Maybe if you're making LOTS of mistakes, then learning with melee pray could be better. But if you for example only tank 1 hit per kill on average, then learning with mage pray should be better.
I have tried this so many fucking times and i just cant do it I have an ironman with bowfa and crystal legs and im on task. It's a shame. When i go into the room i get melee'd I can do CG and Zulrah AFK. (I understand character movement) I am not dumb but this is just not clicking.
I just keep dying over and over again, It's been over 10 hours of in the instance trying to learn. You need to clarify when to shoot, as it isn't clear at all and you're shooting from different spots in the video.
The first kill is a regular kill, assuming you're already in the instance. The second kill is supposed to be for the first kill when entering the instance. Or did you mean that you don't know when to shoot during a kill? You have to shoot every time your weapon doesn't have attack cooldown. Basically, this means you have to shoot every 2.4 seconds (4 ticks).
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you know you've got it down pat when you're able to make a 2 minute video explaining everything others take 10+ mins to. Thank you!
You are freaking amazing. First I watched your Bandos guide after getting bowfa on my iron and got 500kc since, never thought I could do something like this, always meleed GWD and its so satisfying. I needed 3 failed trips to Zammy before realizing my marked tiles were 1 off - after that it was just as easy as Bandos. You changed my PVMing and I am so thankful!
You're value to the community is unreal. Another great video, appreciate you sharing
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small tip for any of these bowfa methods is changing left click options to 'walk here' on all the minions so you never misclick them instead of the boss when they are stacked
How do u change it only for minions and not the boss? They all npcs
@@vilga same way you mark tiles but do it on the npc
@@themagickalmagickman bro this comment... no one explains this anywhere haha... thank you
@@themagickalmagickman thank you for this
@@themagickalmagickman you da man
just finished bandos at 712 kc, and the whole time i was dreading doing some random cannon method. im soooooo excited thank you bro for dropping the knowledge on us. you must be protected at all cost. you're important to the community
This is actually so much easier and chill then the 8:0 method im getting 30 kill trips + based on rest drops super easy once you learn it thanks again bud great vid
thank you so much for showing the fresh instance set up!!!
Using this now on my iron after doing your bandos method.... incredible videos. Look forward to hopefully seeing more in the future but grateful for these. The runelite update to turn off left click attacks also makes these even easier, especially sara.
Hey! Do you mind sharing what is that plugin called, to turn off left clicks on certain monsters?
@@Boohitus Menu Entry Swapper
This is amazing, thank you so much. Gonna be trying this as a break from learning 9:0
I appreciate you sharing this method so much! This and your Bandos method are amazing
Is it me or is this really hard to learn ?
It's very punishing yeah. One mistake can easily cost you all your food, all I can say is to keep trying. Took me around 20-25 tries to get it.
@@felixjochems1238 any tips sometimes I miss click and get clocked
it would be nice to know exactly which tiles im supposed to be attacking on are. i thought i had them marked but now im doubting myself.
@@LactatingLuke Best tips I can give you is: click on him as soon as your in the last tile that is still "underneath" him. (Tag-all can help with this) and then also click three tiles before you reach the end. (The red tiles). So you shoot on the red tile, click the door/altar, wait until the last tile that's still underneath him, click the opposite red tile, wait until your 3 tiles before the next red tile (so a 2 tile gap) and attack, click on red tile and attack. Repeat ad nauseam, this works in both directions.
@@LactatingLuke true tile on altar clock 1.2.3 shoot door click 1.2.3 shoot tile click 1.2.3 shoot repeat
this felt much harder than graardor but "clicked" somewhere around my 3rd trip. my ca's thank you
Thanks so much for the bandos video. Best method around. Will be referring to this if I ever go back to kril!
This was actually so helpful, thanks
Just tried this on my iron and got a zammy spear on my 10th kc! Thanks for posting this, much love. Going back to get my 2nd spear now cause I'm loving this strat
I’m 360ish kc, sotd 2 hilts and 8 steams. No spear lol
idk, i thought i had it down with bandos pretty well, but now im back to dying every 1-2 kills on kril....
This is frustrating, it's x100 times harder than CG or TOA
Literally same lol. Bandos clicked nearly instantly, but Kril was harder
The only improvement on these guides would be exporting the tile markers for us! Great guides, thank you.
There actually already happens to be a link to the tilemarkers file in the description! :D
Here's it again: pastebin.com/Nw4NVEPQ
@@GeChallengeM Oops, I'm so sorry! I completely missed that. Thank you so much.
Stumbled upon this and omg I've been struggling with 8:0 9:0 and this is so easy to do and don't need a cannon base thank you!
Literal king shit. Well done, as always. One of the largest brains in the community.
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Thank you bro, I recently just bought bowfa and got a zammy task!
Thank you for this guide!
Really short but well thought out guide
As a part of the community, I can tell you that the community is grateful for your contribution to the community.
Man the imps are mad at me, I killed hundreds of them so far learning this method lol... Even in some ways harder than corrupted gauntlet since one mistake throws you off cycle and it's tough to recover. But it's very satisfying to learn, getting ~3 kill trips now and I can see myself improving every trip. Metronome plugin also helped a lot for me.
This was expensive to learn (lost around 200k each death for me) but totally worth it. Thanks for this method. I'll move from the cannonbase methods to your bandos method next time!
How did you lose 200k per death? You just run back and get all your gear...takes < 3 mins
@@hemz8058 Bc you have to pay when you get to your gravestone
@@jamieboer3466 what are you taking to lose that much?? My deaths are 15k in full gear.
@@hemz8058 normal person gear, 200k is a fairly cheap death. That's only 2 items 10m-100m
@@jamieboer3466 please explain what's expensive? You protect 3 items. 4 if you're worried about dieing and protect item.
Then leftover items are ring of suffering, Ava's accumulator, peg boots, anguish, barrows gloves. Etc
thanks!! excellent guides
had to save this so i can watch to help me do zammy in the coming months
This is bonkers, thanks so much
Keep up the good work beast
i used your bandos guide and definitely gonna try this one! Do you have a good bofa Arma guide?
Since Arma doesn't move when targetting him, there's no point in moving around, so I didn't make a guide for it. But you can try doing the following, each line is a tick/cycle:
1) click arma
2) click shield
3) click under arma
4) click fbow
REPEAT
It's possible to delay clicking the fbow until the next tick so you get hit less by the minions, but then you have to do multiple clicks on tick (1), which is effort.
This is awesome dude. Any tips for attack locations for tile markers in between tile near door and tile near alter, or do you just kinda eyeball it? I find myself attacking too early and it goofs up resetting. Thanks!
There'd be too much confusion with additional tile markers IMO. Because it's hard to tell whether the marker is for eastwards or westwards movement. But you can try it if you want.
I think it's easiest to just just be in the rhythm, attack every 4 ticks (= 2.4 seconds). Eyeballing is also possible. If running through zamy for example, you need to click zammy when you nearly get out of him.
@@GeChallengeM If only there was commentary your videos would be perfect. I'm having hard time understanding the information just by seeing it.
So good, thanks for the vid!
thank you for the guide im used to playing fixed mode so its gonna be hard time learning xddd
Getting the hang of this but I'm noticing I pretty much always get out of cycle whenever I have to eat, even though I'm eating where i'd normally attack? Any help appreciated
when u mess up and have to reset the cycle mid kill, why do you pray mage instead of melee? I feel like i get hit w/ melee more often
Indeed, he has a 2/3 chance of doing melee and only a 1/3 chance of doing mage. My main goal was to avoid his YARRRRR special though, which can only occur when you are praying against melee. It's the hardest hitting attack. But if you look at the average damage taken instead of at maximum potential damage taken, then melee prayer is indeed better there.
@@GeChallengeM gotcha, ty!
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Great guide first of all. Easily the most solid method imo.
The only big problem I have is when he first spawns. I feel like I just don't have the timing down for when to attack him and that messes up part of the kill sadly.
Instantly click on him when he spawns. And 0.6 seconds later, click the altar.
If that's too little reaction time for you, you can move the 2 tilematkers 1 tile towards the west. This allows (or rather, requires) you to do your first shot 0.6 seconds later.
@@GeChallengeM Ok, I got a good bit better with the timing of it with a few more attempts. Appreciate the reply regardless.
Also, could that work with Bandos as well? I'm having a similar issue so far, not quite ready to give up, but just want to know if I can take the same advice and apply it there as well if need be. Thanks again for the amazing guides.
@@Keep701 Yes, the bandos method is very similar and that advice also applies there. Good luck!
Hi I want to try this method on my main for combat achievements, but I can't access instances yet, how can I go about the first kill? I assume the boss just wanders around the room and doesn't freshly spawn when not using an instance
You can try set it up using the method at 1:19:
1) stand next to a tilemarker
2) start running through K'ril right after K'ril attacks you
It's also possible to wait for K'ril to be east and then enter the room. Then time the first shot and movement perfectly. This allows you to set up the method without tanking any K'ril hits, but seems quite difficult to do because it's hard to tell what the right timing is.
@@GeChallengeM Thank you sir I appreciate your help!
I find this genuinely difficult lol. Any way you could re-upload with the metronome ticker on or something? I am too ape brained to get this I keep dying
I like using true tile indicator for these methods, makes it easier. You can look at the true tile marker in this video, and/or use the plugin yourself, to get the timing down better.
If you want really to watch the video while a metronome is ticking you can play a 100 bpm metronome video along with it. But I won't be uploading a video that has the metronome already included, sorry.
When attempting to fix a mistake, does switching prayers have something to do with fixing it? Or is it just related to negating minion damage? Also, is the attack on Kril when fixing necessary? or can you just stand there and be ready to click altar?
Amazing video btw, you beauty.
Switching prayers doesn't help to fix it, but the boss can hit hard and it helps negate that damage.
The attacks done before K'ril attacks you (while fixing a mistake) are completely optional and not necessary. It's just nice to not lose out on DPS. But yes, you can just stand there without attacking and be ready to red-X.
@@GeChallengeM Right on, thanks so much!
Hey Man. Huge fan. Love all your vids. I've finally gotten bofa/crystal armor on my iron and am learning these.. 2 questions: 1. Do thralls mess this up? 2. Do i need to attack every 4 ticks or only on the marked tiles? Thanks!
1) If you start the kill with a thrall already active, I can see it messing up the flinches. The thrall's first hitsplat is not allowed to appear before your first bofa's hitsplat. You can spawn the thrall slightly before K'ril respawns (or at any time after K'ril respawns), and then it should be fine. Keep in mind though that if you mess up the cycle, the thrall will likely cause you to not be able to get in cycle anymore.
2) The marked tiles are important since the shots from those tiles cause K'ril to flinch. The other attacks aren't needed to stay in the cycle. It's important though that the timing of the marker tiles' shots stay correct. Shooting a tick earlier or later from such tile ruins the cycle, since K'ril's position would not be correct and/or the shot wouldn't cause K'ril to flinch.
@@GeChallengeM ok, wonderful. Thank you for the clarification. So, regarding the tick cycle: Is it (starting at the first attack) 1 (shoot), 2, 3, 4, 1 (shoot)? Basically what I'm trying to ascertain is what the tick cycle count in my head should be... idk if this is the right question even.. but just feeling a bit lost regarding that part and this is my first time learning one of these methods.
@@dylanlalonde The important thing is to shoot once every 4 ticks (2.4 seconds). How you count it in your head is up to personal preference, your suggestion is an example of something that works. Once you get the rhythm down it should be easy.
Can I move the tiles west from the altar, like the bandos method to give me some breathing room?
Yes, that's possible :)
hey brother, was thinking about incorporating blowpipe spec into this method, would standing 1 or 2 more tiles north, then instantly bp spec > Bowfa > Altar, and run back to the regular tiles work? Only for bp spec tho. let me know.
That doesn't work, because K'ril would start his flinch too early. So you would get hit after running through him. It is possible to incorporate a blowpipe spec though, if you do something similar as here for Graardor: th-cam.com/video/rvkytWBKzKU/w-d-xo.html
But it's quite tricky to do, easy to mess up.
It's easier *and* better to do this method instead: th-cam.com/video/muyx3_vXfVo/w-d-xo.html
It's better because you tank 3x fewer melee minion hits, and it's easier because you don't need quick clicks to incorporate the bowpipe spec.
hello, im having trouble here. i have learned the 8:0 bowfa method for kril and the bowfa method for bandos but i cant figure out how to get back in cycle with this one. you said in your video to get back in cycle wait for kril to hit you while standing on one of the end tiles and right when he hits you start the cycle. do you mean on the tick he hits you start the cycle? because thats what im doing and it never gets him back in cycle. please help
This video is for 6:0, not for 8:0. To fix the cycle, you have to stand *next to* one of the end tiles, not on them. This is very important. And you click to run right as you see Krril attacking you.
@@GeChallengeM I ended up figuring it out but it took dying a few times til I got it lol. Thanks for responding to my comment! Good guides man!
You fucking did it again lol I'll be using this when I go back for my second spear, no cannon is nice
To be clear, we do the fresh instance method first in a private room but every kill after is the first clip from red tile to red tile?
Correct
does this work with rcb or cbows in general? thanks
No, since those weapons have a lower attackspeed. I'd recommend looking up my zammy videos with tbow for those methods, since tbow has the same attackspeed as crossbows.
so you pretty much wait like 1 tick at the start and then attack/click altar right? I'm not getting the timing right and keep getting smacked
Exactly 1 tick, but yes. Perhaps enabling true NPC tile markers can help with the timing.
- Click K'ril right after he moved 1 tile
- Click the altar right after he moved another tile (this is right when you see yourself shooting)
@@GeChallengeM Thank you!
I've gotten the regular kills down and its great, however im having issue with the fresh instance setup and end up having to just use your method for getting back into cycle. Before going into the instance do i need to wait for him to be in a particular area or wait for him on the first tile? Also 1 stam pot is only lasting me about 14 kills, not sure if im doing something wrong there. Awesome guide though, thank you!
You're supposed to not wait at all at any point when doing the fresh instance setup method. I'm not sure what ou'e doing wrong there, I'd have to see a clip of it.
My agility level is 99. Having a high agility level helps a lot to reduce the amount of needed stamina potions. At level 96, you unlock the maximum bonus. This causes me to never require to drink any stam pots. It's still highly recommended to walk to pick up your loot, pray at the altar and then go to the starting tile though.
If you want to save even more run energy, you can either manually walk the 3 outer tiles, or shift-walk those. Slightly more effort but affects your stam pots sustainability a lot.
Are there any alternatives to this fresh instance setup that don't require moving on the first tick? I can't do this because of the loading screen and it's making me use a ton of supplies on first kill getting into the rhythm.
It's really dumb, but they implemented a "loaddelay" there. This means that your character stays stalled until your client tells the server that the client loaded the area. In the past, this went really quick, and I was even able to do a shot on zammy before starting to move. Later on, this seemed to be impossible as the stall lasts a tick longer, requiring you to move instantly instead of shooting. And now it seems like that doesn't work either anymore? It might work if you disable some resource-intensive plugins maybe, or improve your internet connection... Other than that, I don't know. Zammy's position is really awkward. Perhaps doing the same movement but skipping the first shot would work?
Skipping the first shot works if you find yourself being delayed by an extra tick when entering a fresh instance.
@@is2cake oh right. I confused this video with the tbow one, where there's no shot fired at the start already. Skipping the shot saves a tick yes, that works.
Im curious about something.. This is method only works for BOWFA or can Tbow also be used? Because both weapons has a tick differences. I'm trying to practise it.
Indeed, the attackspeed differs, making the method not work for Tbow. You can use the following method instead though: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html
@@GeChallengeM Which of the two is more easy to learn? I'm practising the 5:0 however i just can't figure out when to hit kril at the start of the kill.
@@gamble0073 Instantly attack with a blowpipe hit, and then do the tbow hit. I *think* it still works if you did your blowpipe hit a tick late, but I'm not sure.
I recommend doing the 5:0 tbow method because of the faster kills, but 6:0 bowfa is arguably easier to learn.
@@GeChallengeM Thanks it worked :)
why do i do this but get hit all the time by him when coming out from underneath him? am i clicking him too early or something? (yes im red clicking door and altar)
The method relies on K'ril flinching off the bowfa hit you shot right before. There are specific requirements for it to work. If you do the method correctly, those requirements are always satisfied. But if you make a mistake once, K'ril will start hitting you every time you move out from under him... Unless you fix it. An explanation for how to fix it is given at 1:20.
You actually need to wait 2-3 ticks before clicking the altar the first time. I as clicking 1 tick after kril spawned and he would simply walk right beside me and smack me.
3 ticks yes: on the first tick I activate my prayers, on the second tick I click K'ril, and on the third tick I click the altar.
would you do this with a crystal bow or RCB? or is it not worth?
Unless you're good at prayer flicking zammy with arclight, I'd say it's worth yes. Maybe give it a try, and decide after that.
How does this compare with the tbow method in terms of TtK and overall trip longevity?
If comparing both setups for a maxed account with maxed gear, the TTK for non-tickloss attacks is 35.6 seconds vs 37.1 seconds. That's assuming no thralls though. On ancient magics, trip longetivity is no issue at all. You can stay as long as you want to, realisticly until you run out of ranged potions. If you bring arceuus spellbook for thralls and demonic offering, longetivity could be an issue for the Fbow method. The 9:0 Fbow method would be highly recommended to do instead of 6:0 due to tanking 3x fewer melee minion hits.
@@GeChallengeM thanks for the quick reply. I guess I'll stick with tbow on ancients. killing imps sucks
does this work with shadow or does it need to be 4 tick?
It needs to be a 4-tick weapon yeah. For shadow, you need to do a method similar to my tbow zammy 26t vid, but a few of the details are different.
saradomin guide next please!! we spoke at nex and you said you would. im so waiting bro!
The most run-efficient saradomin route which only has 1 tile-click in between each boss? Thanks for reminding me, I'll look into it. Maybe I even already wrote down the route for that, but if not I can make one. Do you want one for 4tick or for 5tick weapons?
@@GeChallengeM 4 tick, more irons have access to bowfa now days then t bow now days :)
@@GeChallengeM have you made this yet👀
@@justkidding57 I wrote the method down but haven't made a video (yet), here's the tilemarkers map: i.imgur.com/fuS5FYU.png
@@GeChallengeM thanks a lot. I assume blue tile is first hit on spawn, green is new instance, and red is normal cycle? besides not having to manually walk any tiles, what are pros/cons vs your other video's method?
can you manual walk doing this method on the last three tiles?
That's possible yes, good to save run energy. Shift-walking those tiles is also possible and maybe even easier.
@@GeChallengeM cool! just finished bandos with your method, wanted to check if its essentially the same here as well. thanks!
im assuming this method is slightly better than the run around the room 6:0 methods?
I don't know about other 6:0 methods, but:
- Compared with Lronic memes' 7:0 and 9:0 methods, this method is about 3% better DPS because you don't lose ticks.
- Compared to my 9:0 method, it's technically worse since e.g. you get hit more often by the melee minion. But this probably doesn't really matter, and most people prefer 6:0 over 9:0 due to its simplicity.
@@GeChallengeM def more simplistic and less chance of error. Love it thanks
Why protect from range over magic when your magic defence is lower and their accuracy the same?
The ranged minion maxes 21 while the magic minion only maxes 16. If you do the calculations, it turns out this difference is enough to make protect from ranged the best option.
@@GeChallengeM cool thanks!
do you prefer suffering or ring of the gods?
If prayer is an issue for your trip lengths, ring of the gods. But it's mostly just a matter of preference, so I suggest you to try and choose.
Also, I know it's necessary for this to work, but why does it matter that you click the altar or the door instead of just clicking across the room?
You know that normally, when standing under an agressive NPC, the NPC does random movements. Back in the early OSRS days, this caused you to do weird movement when standing under the NPC and trying to attack it, because the NPC itself did weird movements. As patch, jagex updated the game such that the NPC doesn't anymore when you click it. However, the implementation was more general than required. So even a red-X click on something else than the NPC causes your last targeted NPC to not move while under it.
Tl;dr: the door/altar click causes zammy to not move while being under him.
@@GeChallengeM nice to know, thanks again
This only works with a msb and bofa right?
This is a method for 4-tick weapons. You can't extend it to 5-tick weapons. I do have different videos for 5-tick weapons though.
@@GeChallengeM alright I'll check it out. Thanks for the content. Im going for the pet and some combat achievements! 😊
Unblocking greaters
This aged well.
so cool!
10 days later update. I got it :)
Is it possible to do this with rune cbow?
No, since this method makes use of a 4-tick weapon while rune cbow is 5-tick. But there's a method for 5-tick weapons here: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html
I'd recommend using ancient magics instead of arceuus spellbook, so you have blood barrage to get back to full hp. Also, I wouldn't bother switching attackstyle to accurate since it isn't worth the effort.
guessing you cant use tbow for 6:0?
Indeed, since tbow has a slower attackspeed. It's also not possible to adjust the tilemarkers to get the method to work: the room is 1 tile too small for that... x)
ring of suffering or archers ring?
My personal preference is ring of the gods. I'd probably take ring of suffering instead if I didn't have one.
Can this be done with eagle eye?
Yes, the kills would just be a bit longer. You might also want to turn on one of the defensive prayers because having to eat during the kill is a bit awkward to do.
I must ask you my friend, do you have the pet yet?
I don't, still doing every greater demon slayer task there. I haven't passed the droprate yet so that's fine I guess.
Can you do this with Tbow?
This specific method is only possible for 4-tick weapons, and can't be extended to 5-tick weapons. For 5-tick weapons, I recommend using this video: th-cam.com/video/iFzLdQgRKag/w-d-xo.html
In that video I do a lot of things that slightly increase the kills/hr, but aren't necessary. You can read the video description for more info about that.
@@GeChallengeM my man even provided a link to a video that has it. much luvv brother ty
Just tried this and got hit for 40+ 3 times in a row 😂 I'm so bad
I dont understand the timing from Kril's spawn for a regular kill and I think that ruins me every time. How long should you wait until you click the altar as if i click to early, i run north of kril when i attack, or if im too late i get hit off the spawn.
1) click k'ril 1 tick after he spawns. This is when he starts turning.
2) click altar right after attacking.
Sounds like you didn't do (1). It's very important to delay that first click.
@@GeChallengeM That tip helped a lot, thank you!
Following on from that, how late do you click the door because I tend to get hit right after i step out the west side from Kril to attack. Well, I get attacked after i step out to attack each side :(
@@xneidhardt1843 you get hit after stepping out if you messed up earlier in the cycle. So you should avoid messing up earlier, i'd need to see a clip to know what you did wrong exactly, unless you're referring to your original attempts.
Sometimes you might mess up regardless though, due to making a mistake by accident. If this happens, the cycle can be fixed by doing what I did at 1:19.
@@GeChallengeMAll the tips you have given got me a 12kc trip (i ran out of stamina). I found that adding in every tile to attack on helped immensely as well (using 1 for tiles to attack on when running east and 2 for tiles to attack on when running west).
Focusing on how to reset the cycle also helps out a lot.
Thank you for all your help, earned yourself a sub my man. Will be keeping an eye out for more of your content!
Since my ping is above 0 I move both your tiles down a tile as hitting krill the tock he respawns is just not possible lol
The combination of reactiontime + ping needs to be under 0.6 seconds for it to work. Having a respawn timer plugin helps a lot for the reacion time.
But indeed, if you want to be able to delay your click, moving both tiles 1 west works nicely.
@@GeChallengeM I'm on mobile so no respawn timer, it would help a bunch as you arnt having to react to the spawn as you know when it comes.
I found bandos the same move the whole thing 1 tile down
I'm really having a hard time grasping all of these crazy god wars methods tbh.. like I've never played the game this way before so the whole concept is completely foreign
yeah these gwds vids make me feel fucking retarded sometimes, but just try to follow them as best as you can - IronSnaves
Trying to learn this method. Got spear at 18kc!!
How many attempts did it take? I'm stuck at 1kc trips nearly a second and just struggling haha
@@hemz8058 I haven’t gone back yet since spear. But I was still struggling lol
@@im_jlew feelsbadman :(
@@hemz8058 I did go do 6:0 bandos. Got pet at 22kc and tassets at 67kc lol
@@im_jlew how many kc per trip could you manage?
not working for me whatsoever and no idea why x_x
Today's engine update caused it to stop working, but jagex is planning to fix it tomorrow. As you can see in the message of 15:00 BST in this newspost: secure.runescape.com/m=news/quest-speedrunning-launch?oldschool=1
idk maybe praying meelee makes it easier to learn you get punished less
The reasons why I recommended pray mage while learning:
- You'll take less damage from minions, since the melee minion isn't able to attack you nearly as often as the mage minion.
- Zammy is only able to do its "YARRRR" special attack if you are praying melee. This attack always hits 35-49 damage and drains your prayer.
Maybe if you're making LOTS of mistakes, then learning with melee pray could be better. But if you for example only tank 1 hit per kill on average, then learning with mage pray should be better.
I have tried this so many fucking times and i just cant do it
I have an ironman with bowfa and crystal legs and im on task. It's a shame. When i go into the room i get melee'd
I can do CG and Zulrah AFK. (I understand character movement) I am not dumb but this is just not clicking.
how's it going for you now?
Oh my god
huge
leak more bugs
@@MrCopyrightable ok
Seent yo ass too many times by now. Subbed
This is much harder thn the bandos one :(
Video is great, but it really goes to show how dogshit GWD is as content when this is what we have to resort to
I just keep dying over and over again, It's been over 10 hours of in the instance trying to learn. You need to clarify when to shoot, as it isn't clear at all and you're shooting from different spots in the video.
The first kill is a regular kill, assuming you're already in the instance. The second kill is supposed to be for the first kill when entering the instance.
Or did you mean that you don't know when to shoot during a kill? You have to shoot every time your weapon doesn't have attack cooldown. Basically, this means you have to shoot every 2.4 seconds (4 ticks).
if you are still having trouble, this guide is a helpful supplement th-cam.com/video/KpBaKj5EJV0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=QuickOSRS
You need to banned from the game