EVE Online - Are Marauders worth the investment for PVE?

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  • @cameronfrye5514
    @cameronfrye5514 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Marauders are worth it, but there is no need to buy an expensive fit. A T2 fit will give you everything you need, the bling just makes you a more attractive target. It's worthwhile to know the area you fly in so you know who the bad guys are, and it's best to have an alt who can scout ahead.. if the gankers show up in your mission hub abandon the mission, dock up where you are and go do something else for a while. The ship will pay for itself in due time if you're diligent about your surroundings.

    • @hellfuckinyeah
      @hellfuckinyeah ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If you don't bling like a mad man that is not too relevant. Most groups just gank what they get. Way more important is ur EHP cause that defines how many ppl or ships are needed to bring you down 😇

    • @cameronfrye5514
      @cameronfrye5514 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hellfuckinyeah Good point. I actually managed to survive a 12 cat gank in my Kronos, but it was a damn close thing. I don't bling and I do tank even though it's not needed for the missions when done in a marauder. Of course, having your own spotter and recognizing when it's time to dock up makes it mostly irrelevant!

    • @hellfuckinyeah
      @hellfuckinyeah ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cameronfrye5514 guess it comes down to preference. I prefer to at least somewhat bling. Does it really matter if you loose 1.5b or 2.5b? If it would i'd fly a 250mil praxis :) note: i never lost a marauder (yet)

    • @cameronfrye5514
      @cameronfrye5514 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hellfuckinyeah I see your point, but to me it's pretty big. From an ISK standpoint I'm pretty comfortable, bordering on rich for someone who primarily lives in HS. Marauders and missions are farming implements to me for the most part, and like any "business" the need to replace an expensive piece of equipment cuts into profit. Of course, my profit typically gets dumped into another alt who regularly loses Lokis for fun, so that extra billion equates to about 2.5 Lokis. 😁
      I've actually lost 2 Marauders, both my own fault. I lost my first Vargur because I was flying it to my home system after shall we say "more than one" adult beverage and failed to notice I was flying through low sec. Until I hit the gate camp. The second was during the recent Winter event to Concord when I did several stupid things in a row. First I ignored the fact that gankers showed up in local, ignored them again when they showed up on dscan, and decided I had time to scoop the loot before docking up. Then I forgot my safety was set to "Red" and started shooting at everyone in sight trying to get on the killmails. Turns out they left one ship in the group as bait and I didn't distinguish my targets properly. I shot the bait ship like an idiot and got myself Concorded!

    • @williamnicholson8133
      @williamnicholson8133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depending on what you do bling can be very helpful and sometime required .

  • @thedownsides
    @thedownsides ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A few other traits of the bastion module: Prevents you from getting remote reps and remote cap but makes you almost immune to electronic warfare except neuts and scramblers/disruptors. So tracking disruption, ecm etc. have almost zero impact while the module is active. Also something very important especially for low/null: once you turn off bastion, you get a 60 second timer during which you can't dock or jump gates.

  • @lewanglin3715
    @lewanglin3715 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Just want to say thanks for all you do Ace. Keep at it.

    • @Aceyface
      @Aceyface  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I appreciate that!

  • @justin9951
    @justin9951 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Marauders are definitely worth it if you keep them alive, particularly in null sec. Ive had the same vargur for 8 months and it has made me double digit billions in ISK from loot and combat sites. I haven't used them in high-sec though, gonna grab a Paladin for L4's to try it out soon

    • @anthonyzullo
      @anthonyzullo ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I personally can't fathom the thought of putting so much isk onto the field without proper assurances. I do very well with 1 ishtar 4 gilas full skills needed no implants.
      I recently saw someone use 5 sotmbringers and finish havens in 4 minutes. I can use the group and finish a haven in 5 to 8. Been training into the stormbringers, will be done couple week. Each fit is 800m, even if I F around and catch a dread, most ill lose is 1 and if anyone tries to drop me thinking it's only 1 per site, that's free KM I guess. But to throw a marauder down just seems idk. ONLY because bastion anchors. If it anchored for less time then maybe. Also if you can't own multiple accounts or run multiple clients safely then yes, a great choice. Personally, not sure the point playing even with a solo account. Not if you wanna spend real money longer term.
      Simple, a marauder will PLEX you. Downfall, lmao, you don't get it today.

    • @madmartin26
      @madmartin26 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anthonyzullo 30 seconds is not particularly long as long as you're watching local, and that's in the worst case where they enter system when you just started bastioning. I find the idea of comparing 5 accounts worth of ships to a single ship with a single account a bit odd, but even so at 800mil fits you're putting more investment in space than the marauder costs. you can get a perfectly acceptable ratting marauder fit for ~1.6bil, which is double a single of your fits but not as much as your full 5. And a marauder can defeat drone hordes in ~10 minutes, not much slower than you're getting with 5 accounts. Honestly with 5 accounts i would set 4 to afk drone spinning while I spend my attention on one in a marauder, and that will make much more isk than ratting with 5 on the same grid.

    • @vinodsiba4823
      @vinodsiba4823 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@anthonyzullo not everyone is lifeless to play on 5 accounts like you do, some of us wana log in kill stuff get isk and log off. ive had the same paladin for 9 months doing rogue drone sites and they clear the site in less than half the time your ishtar or gila takes to clear one. i get 40m a tick, thats 3 of your gilas and ishtars in one account. you must either have a weak alliance that cant warp to you when you need or you just dont have confidence flying anything above cruiser size lmao

    • @dspigs0705
      @dspigs0705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@anthonyzulloSUCH a strange comparison. I completely disagree

  • @exoterric
    @exoterric ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kronos and Golem where game changers back when I played. I would say hell yeah they are worth it.

  • @zaqq
    @zaqq ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The thing with marauders, and the t3c's is that excel with pimp mods more than most other hulls so it makes sense in that regard to throw as much isk as you can afford to really get the most out of them. Nice overview there ace cheers.

    • @Aceyface
      @Aceyface  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks man :)

  • @Rhacal
    @Rhacal ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I still love the Kronos, its pretty strong for Events, Farming in 0.0 and for PvP Situations.
    You can use a Polarized Kronos and get around 5000 DPS with a blank 20 Minute Tick of ~45-55m depends on Waves, + ESS and Loot after, yes Super would get a bit higher ticks but not so "cheap". Also for PvP its a Beast, 8000-10000 EHP Tank with around 2500-3000 DPS is still awesome.
    So all in all, yes you need alot of Skilltime for it but its worth it in my option, for PvP maybe more for ESS defense, in PvE its pretty awesome and "cheap" for this absolute insane damage and tank you can easy get.

    • @earnestemu5148
      @earnestemu5148 ปีที่แล้ว

      Torp golem is wayyy better for events. Cruise for missions can't be beat, and it doesn't even have to be super blingy.

    • @KaIubka
      @KaIubka ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@earnestemu5148 Cruise Golem is for cultured individuals, I salute you.

  • @filipfenix
    @filipfenix ปีที่แล้ว +2

    for everything under Capitals , Marauders are in a league of their own.

  • @Reviresco
    @Reviresco ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think there are situations in which the Rattlesnake is even better than a marauder, but in general I agree that Marauders are the sub-cap PvE kings.

  • @1982Clarkey
    @1982Clarkey ปีที่แล้ว +3

    100% worth it!

  • @BorntoVenture
    @BorntoVenture ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've skilled into a Golem since I'm very heavy missile trained but haven't bought one yet. I'm kinda waiting on some new PVE content before I buy one, maybe the mission revamp patch when it happens or something. Thinking of taking one into my Alliance's WH but I do so much content in HS it's hard to devote all the time to getting my mains in and out of the WH when needed.
    [Edit] Almost forgot to mention that I agree with what you said about Marauders and they're uses, great info as usual!

    • @anthonyzullo
      @anthonyzullo ปีที่แล้ว

      Make enough isk either in WH or HS(I chuckled) to buy one so you have one for each. If it isn't making you it's weight in isk a month, use something else. All about "can it make me it's cost regularly?". Imo, it's to high a cost in HS, NS, LS. WHs you can make great money and a lot safer.

  • @brandonflinch6657
    @brandonflinch6657 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i heard there is a cap on the max targeting range put but eve online, is that true? also would you be able to say which ship has the most range, golem, barghest or raven navy?

    • @inspector4133
      @inspector4133 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm limited by my targeting range, not the range of the weapons. My Rattlesnake can target out to almost 140k, but my targeting range is around 120k

    • @byronmangan
      @byronmangan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Rokh with rails can hit to 250K. missiles are bad at range do to the flight time. Turrets hit instantly.

  • @sirnukealot84
    @sirnukealot84 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me and my corpmates used to use marauders for wh pve in the past when we had more active players around. Golem and paladin and vargur was meta for c5 sites when not activating the boss wave.

  • @rayderrich
    @rayderrich ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I returned after years and found out my Rattlesnake had doubled in price. That made it very easy to fly a normal T2 fitted Golem for the same price and have all its benefits.

  • @stuchatterton6550
    @stuchatterton6550 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the kronos. Insta gun DPS plus kin/therm seems to work well on almost all targets.

  • @chrisheick7486
    @chrisheick7486 ปีที่แล้ว

    just curious, why you are using blasters, instead of rails?

  • @matejkopa97
    @matejkopa97 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can they fit micro jumps?

  • @GamingFreek01
    @GamingFreek01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For a character with everything to 5, what Marauder or other ship would you recommend 1st for lvl 4’s and event sites?

    • @mellogo1d191
      @mellogo1d191 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hatless gaming did a pretty good video on this. He recommended the marauder of the empire faction which you operate/rat in.

    • @KaIubka
      @KaIubka ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd personally recommend a cruise golem as a very solid pick that works in any space and against any foe.

  • @goldeneagle256
    @goldeneagle256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice video. just a litte comment on your fitting, and particulary your c-type multispectrum. theres a module in the game called reactive armor hardener that cost 1.2 mill and are stupidly OP, and in my opinion the best module in the game when it comes to cost vs performance, and it dosent really show on the fitting window. so what that module do are reacting to the type of incomming damage, and gives you 60% resist in total, so if they shoot you with a single type of missiles, you get 60% extra towards that damage type, and rougy 30% on each dmg type on the weapons that split it. so this would easily cover the massive explosive hole you have on your resist with this fitting

  • @smokinggun8418
    @smokinggun8418 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are Marauders enough for solo Mission 5? What the best pls?

  • @thomasmeincke8704
    @thomasmeincke8704 ปีที่แล้ว

    very nice video :-) u have a fit for golem??

  • @inspector4133
    @inspector4133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think there is any dispute that they are powerful, behemoths, both offensively and defensively.
    But are the worth it? Admittedly, I've blinged out my Golem, but in Hi-sec, PvE, it's a tremendous amount of expensive overkill. Seriously, there is very little that it can do, that my well equipped Cruise Missle Rattlesnake or HAM Tengu can't do. In fact, for most Hi-sec DED and L4's, the Tengu does them in about half the time.
    I don't ever plan on selling my Golem. I absolutely love the sheer brute force, but the level of overkill, it's slow movement, and the inherent risk of flying it, all combine to make me reluctant to use it for most things. Not that a Rattlesnake or Tengu aren't tempting gank targets, but I've rarely been concerned for them.

  • @jakestechtravels4864
    @jakestechtravels4864 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes they are very much worth it. I love my Vargur and so what if its an expensive ship to put on grid.... what is the point of having a nice ship and just let it gather dust in a hanger.

  • @richardautry8269
    @richardautry8269 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bastion when active also prevents logi from repping you.

  • @HUNZY-qo3cv
    @HUNZY-qo3cv ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bling rattlesnake cost the same as a Golem. And golem had twice the dps and range.

  • @mikehunt9884
    @mikehunt9884 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dunno how the game is now, but when i used to play the game 5 years ago, i guess they would be worth it if you have a solid group to run incursions with. Although there are cheaper fits you can also use.. this marauder probably would be like the top tier ship to run them. Incursions is a really good way to make isk, so you would recoup your investment really fast.

  • @dennisdenise1
    @dennisdenise1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can this ship solo a pirate strong hold in hisec ?

  • @divinedragon392
    @divinedragon392 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    for new players who don't know, you can get scan and enemy can jump and locked down on you anywhere to 5-15 seconds, depending the experience of the enemy player(null sec). personally i ran into high experienced enemy and i was not even in bastion mode when i got jumped. (also be aware your own corp members can be spy)

  • @k.sullivan6303
    @k.sullivan6303 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a newbie on Eve. I have played several evenings. I'm stuck on one mission where I have to warp to a location, and destroy about a dozen bad guys, then warp again to a stargate, activate the gate and engage in the mission goal of destroying a Pirate Outpost station. The station has protection from about 8 ships that I also have to destroy. I keep going back but can't destroy the outpost and can only destroy a few of the guard ships, then I keep getting destroyed. I have the most basic ship. I am trying to only fire on 1 ship at at time. I lock onto 3 but only fire at 1 until it is dead. I have also tried ignoring the guard ships and just firing on the Pirate Station itself, but the guard ships soon get me. It seems like I am no match for this mission. Any suggestions?

    • @alangiddens5481
      @alangiddens5481 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the mission name?

    • @TheGahta
      @TheGahta ปีที่แล้ว

      join the newbie help channel, good way to get advice if youre not wanting to shop for a corporation just yet

    • @earnestemu5148
      @earnestemu5148 ปีที่แล้ว

      What ship and what fit, that matters. Don;t just grab some random cookie cutter fit. Read the missions guides, very helpful. Feel frre to message me in game and I can help with fit or even the mission if you need.

    • @daneframpton7480
      @daneframpton7480 ปีที่แล้ว

      Want me to do the mission with you? I'll bring a ship and we'll kill them together.

    • @dkrmcelligott
      @dkrmcelligott ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, read the mission info closely. I bet it’s a scouting mission and you don’t need to kill the rats

  • @JoannaHammond
    @JoannaHammond 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Simply, yes, they really are.

  • @peternottage508
    @peternottage508 ปีที่แล้ว

    C5 ratting with paladin/golem combo always so good

  • @williamnicholson8133
    @williamnicholson8133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Definitely very isk efficient but will put a significant target on you back with GAnkers . I kind of dislike how pirate bs are now never seen anymore.

  • @HUNZY-qo3cv
    @HUNZY-qo3cv ปีที่แล้ว

    Problem with marauders is when you DC or the game fails. Siege module keeps you in grid and if you have active tank you’ll probably die before your ship warps out.
    The time the game takes to recognize you’ve dc. Then 1 min siege, then it shuts off modules and tries to warp out.
    Lost two golems this way. Had to refit to cap stable and max tank and turned off the emergency warp out. To where ship will not warp out just sit there and tank in a dc

  • @NoobFilter100
    @NoobFilter100 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it to make a mission with the golem, the problem is. a Marauder is instant targets for gangers :( I miss the old time that was not a problem to flight a marauder. I have try it now with the navy scorpion with full puffer Tank. gangers was on my but was not success. one of the reason why i ended after 13 years playing eve online :(

  • @BaliAgha
    @BaliAgha 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes

  • @marakuyovimalesh3793
    @marakuyovimalesh3793 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm currently on the long-train for Marauders.... So slow.

  • @johnb6011
    @johnb6011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol ran paladins for incs trained marauders 5 just for that....between battleships warping slower and Bastion mode I eventually stopped running incs and sold the pally and never really used it again, especially given the price tag. Then cursed myself for wasting time in marauders 5

  • @mitchk672
    @mitchk672 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...and it only takes a year and three months to train the skills I need for this fit, lol

  • @anthonyzullo
    @anthonyzullo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marauders are, imo, the most fun you can have for pvp. But I'd suggest using a few clients pve in null/WH to pay for the costs of them, if you're not proficient in indy/PI.
    In PVE null/WH, if you're dropped, a simple ship can end your billions career, where with multiple clients running sites you'll lose a simple fraction before getting everything off grid, saving you billions and heartache.
    I use 1 ishtar and 4 gilas and make over a bil a day. Including loot no salvage, also including maybe officer spawns, not including dreads. I prefer that than the anxiety of MAYBE looking away for 60 seconds and being tackled losing the only way to make isk.
    If you've got the spare isk, and it isn't your main income, marauder is worth it. Would I put it ahead of other things, smaller ones, no. By tome you skill into a marauder from newbro, you could skill into 2 3 different multiple t2s that are cheaper and more viable if you wanna play more casually.

    • @anthonyzullo
      @anthonyzullo ปีที่แล้ว

      My 2 cents.

    • @anthonyzullo
      @anthonyzullo ปีที่แล้ว

      Forgot to say, these things are the best in HS. I don't play in HS so I don't do missions anymore. But yes, this will be great for strictly HS.

  • @Awoodcock30
    @Awoodcock30 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have eve online but learning it can be troublesome on my own looking for players to join and play with please message me on here if interested as I think this game is amazing but even tho I'm an adult still need companion's to fully understand game thanks.

  • @saffronblaze7763
    @saffronblaze7763 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can easily solo kite in a Battleship for Trigs and L4, but it is boring. Doing the same in a blaster Kronos is fun and engaging; however, with Triglavians you will lose one once in a while as CCP will fuck you over with weird unexpected escalations. Losing the ship isn't so bad, as you can salvage half of it in most cases, but getting podded happens as often as not too. That stings if you are using implants.

  • @dovakiinsarn1283
    @dovakiinsarn1283 ปีที่แล้ว

    i just need omega again and the actual hul and i can fly a vargur with meta 4 guns xD - fulljet Industrialist if anyone wanted to assist.

  • @antonpayne5414
    @antonpayne5414 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish I could fly this as an alpha but as a new player I can't even afford it

    • @bagman817
      @bagman817 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you're planning on being alpha for a while (there's plenty to do as you skill up), consider aiming for a Gila.

  • @donelkingii3738
    @donelkingii3738 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lord no. Go to Lowsec or Nullsec and you will get dusted off.

  • @jetfighter200
    @jetfighter200 ปีที่แล้ว

    i fly in my torp golem pvp ready.

  • @SupCom78
    @SupCom78 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting but very expensive and notging for Alphas. Only good BS for Alphas price skills and performance wise is a Praxis. sure a raven or similar would work also fine but the best for alphas is the praxis but that is only my opinion.

    • @ProfibobWot
      @ProfibobWot ปีที่แล้ว

      Nightmare is king but costs more than a marauder... Lul

    • @SupCom78
      @SupCom78 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ProfibobWot yeah but you can paint a taret sign on your hull then in that case at least in high sec. ;)

    • @ProfibobWot
      @ProfibobWot ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SupCom78 u are a tarbet, yea, but i always in amarr, never in jita, its a laggy shithohle anyway
      even amarr is becomming laggy lately

  • @byronmangan
    @byronmangan ปีที่แล้ว

    I refuse to pay 1bil or more for a ship hull with no jump drive. Unless I'm just moving it to a trade hub to sell.

  • @Angelusfeliciano
    @Angelusfeliciano ปีที่แล้ว +3

    DONT USE MARAUDERS on High sec… they are ganking that marauder like all day long

    • @jamesmaybrick2001
      @jamesmaybrick2001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DO USE THEM. Any ship can be caught and killed. Marauders are more or less built for HS. You dont need to bling them, ive got a cheapo T2 fit golem, been using it for at least a year, made me way more than the 1.8(ish) billion it cost me. But i suppose if you live anywhere near Safety space then thats your issue.

    • @jakestechtravels4864
      @jakestechtravels4864 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesmaybrick2001 build for HS? You high or something?

    • @jamesmaybrick2001
      @jamesmaybrick2001 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakestechtravels4864 Nope. Pick a better ship type for LVL4s? You know, HS Bread and Butter. Next you will be claming that Isktars arent built for NS ratting.

  • @ianmitchell5940
    @ianmitchell5940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    T3 cruiser is all you need . Not worth it

  • @W0LFlE
    @W0LFlE ปีที่แล้ว

    3 day wondering if we could talk

    • @jamesmaybrick2001
      @jamesmaybrick2001 ปีที่แล้ว

      You seem keen on asking your questions here when there is an entire ingame newbro chat for you. All your questions will get answered there.

    • @W0LFlE
      @W0LFlE ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesmaybrick2001 I would like to ask him thank u very much

  • @teabaggin
    @teabaggin ปีที่แล้ว

    i have three marauders.. not remotely interested in the varg at this stage,

  • @SlaveLabourEntertainment
    @SlaveLabourEntertainment ปีที่แล้ว

    Marauders need to be nerfed.

  • @peternottage508
    @peternottage508 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    C5 ratting with paladin/golem combo always so good