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- The Inside crew talks LeBron closing in on Kareem's all-time NBA scoring record.
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You cannot write the history of the NBA without Lebron James....no matter HOW you feel about him. He IS a legend of the game.
Facts. The hilarious part is the amount of young casuals who call him a bum, but also place him as the 2-3rd best player ever.
Sure you can... and 18 year old millionaire calling himself the king? Calling himself the greatest 13 years into his career? The media has sold this guy from jump street... he's ok! He is great but nothing spectacular except what the media tells you he is! Like right now... every dunk has to be ON MY GOD, LABRON AT 37.. SHOWING UP THE LEAGUE? THERE'S MANY MANY PLAYERS PLAY AS LONG, PLAY AS HARD, AND DO MORE! It's jus packaged for Labron atm!
Kareem played 20 years, his points lack 3's... Labron catching him isn't all that impressive! When Curry, Klay, and others reach their retirement? The point totals will be crazy... Labron is an average athlete with all the media behind him! Yes been force fed to you... 🤣 hes great but nothing special!
@@chuckd1586 tell mw a player who can play like him,and as effective and intelligent as him..and as CONSISTENT as him?..is there a player who average 28-30pts ppg from day one until 20th season?you dont know how to play basketball it looks like easy but it's not...
@@chuckd1586 All I can do is laugh at your comment….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@chuckd1586 probably the worst take ive ever seen LOL who at the age of 38 is putting up 29 PPG? name me one player that "PLAY AS LONG AS HARD/DOES MORE"? I'm not the biggest fan of lebron after his "im the greatest" take but you cannot deny his longevity, and sheer impact on the court. Still a top 5 player in year 20...
The craziest part to me, besides the points, is that he will also finish top 5 all time in assists and top 10 all time in steals as well. This man is from another planet.
He's also currently Top 10 in three-pointers and has a decent chance to get into the Top 5 (he's 249 behind Korver at the time I'm writing this). Guys like Klay, Paul George, and KD will eventually pass him if they can stay healthy (and then maybe way down the line, Trae Young)... but it's not unrealistic to think he'll sit in the Top 10 of this category for a long time as well.
And top 10 in steals
Don't forget 30k 10k 10k only player ever
@@damonlaw8218 He will forever be the only member of the 40k 10k 10k club
He is a real-life Primarch.
Google it lol
We can argue this all day but at the end of the day they are all legends.
Exactly! at the end of the day we don't know, it's what we feel and everyone feels different
Lebron would average 50 in Jordan’s era
only MJ fans always want argue / debates
we just need appreciates this two as a great Legend in this League!
LBJ 40Kpts, 10Krebs, 10Kassts.. and many times they took his Teams into Finals - NOT BAD at all
but MJ Fans - always said Dont count it.. dont count it.. just MJ 6x Rings
@@Bungycb And Jordan would average 50 in this soft no hand checking era 🤷🏾♂️ so your point?
@@Bungycb Not a chance
Chuck makes a good point. At 18 years old LeBron was as good as advertised when he came into the league. I've never seen another player in any sport come in with such high expectations. And to do what he has done so far in his career is incredible.
and he actually surpassed those expectations
Pele at 17 (before my time). Maradona, Ronaldo (Brazilian) and Messi. All were as good as advertised as teenagers who went on to Mount Rushmore status in their sport.
@@bolder2009 and why are you talking about football?
@@pitrson666 Because the original comment of this thread made a point that he or she had "never seen another player in ANY SPORT come in with such high expectations." I gave examples from another sport.
@@bolder2009 either way even in middle school he was getting hated on and in high school was called the chosen one he was just supposed to come into the league and be great
Imagine if he do the sky hook to pass his record lol
Lol that'll be crazy
Half court 3 would be better
That’ll be hard 😂😂😂😂
He's never done a sky hook, so it will certainly clank
Got to
They had a meaningful and engaging discussion debating such a hot topic - WITHOUT putting anybody down. That's how you do it. Best show in the business hands down
Ye their all respectfull shen it comes to eachother and the players they are debating, Skip and Shannon for example is just one meatrider and one hater.
@@simenfalkenas6601 you must be 12, Chuck has gotten into it for disrespecting Iverson, Bron, Dray you name it....... if Shay is a meatrider what do you call the guy who said the Warriors would never win a ring?
Much better than Skip Bayless...
Barkley May not have won a NBA championship when he played , but he’s the champion of NBA commentary - in fact there should be a NBA commentary award named after Sir Charles -
Lol he has a great humor , a troll sometimes,that it. Skip is the GOAT 😆😆😆
back in the early 90s, there was an award called All - Interview team.. Chuck was like the leading vote getter every year
You mean Broadcasting/Media Personality coz he doesnt commentate
@Trolling4ass I wish he would have called more NBA games during his broadcasting career. His commentary alone makes NBA games worthwhile watching.
He wasn’t right about LeBron not having any struggles (or “growing pains”) when he arrived in the league. His shooting percentages were not good in year one. After that he was cruising toward greatness, but people forget his first year wasn’t pretty.
This really puts what Kareem did into true perspective.
That's why I always had him 2nd
He also played in a significantly harder era(s)
@@Barnabus007 did he play in the 90s👈🏾
@@chadbutler8634 No man he retired in like 89. The 70 and 80s were crazy physical. I think the 90s were as well, but not like the 80s.
@@Barnabus007 😂 what 90s were the best era .
An all time great chasing another all time great. When LeBron passes Kareem it will be an incredible moment.
Stephen Curry is the Best NBA player as of now. Le-Bum James is straight up garbage.
STOP comparing the 2, LeBron dominated a creampuff social media cuck era, where Kareem had to fight through the civil rights movement.
Fax and no-one will ever be able to chase Lebron’s #1 All-Time scoring title
And it's sad that Kareem's kinda salty about it too.
hopefully he passes him with a Sky Hook
Sooo happy these 4 are back.
Let’s cherish every moment while LeBron is still in the league. He’s a very rare player.
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I still think MJ is the best player that I have ever seen. But I agree, we will all miss Lebron when he is gone...
@@bryanreynolds4915 By far 😂
But I respect LBJ for His training ethics, for the way he tooked care of His body…and so on
I cannot all star team losing with the goat i their team thats awful to watch just resign after he pass kareem
LeBron has earned every accolade, I'm glad Kareem is still with us and hopefully he will be there to pay tribute. Kareem is a great man on and off the court, he is a worldwide treasure.
Kareem is a great man. Unfortunately, the one black spot for him is his treatment of LeBron James I doubt that Kareem will be there to pay tribute. Maybe he treats LeBron like that, because he knew that this day was coming.
KAREM WENT TO COLLEGE LEBRON DIDNT IF HE HAD HED BE NO WHERE NEAR KAREEM le China James is just a dumb circus animal. He's. The greatest player who needed great players around him to be called great everything has been given to him. Given not earned
You sure every accolades? How about dpoy?
@@MrBleedformeu had to google and check first. Marc Gasol got his mvp.
Not really Kareem’s record isn’t really in jeopardy because back then you couldn’t go straight to the nba. You had to go to college 4 years if Kareem came in at 18 his record would never be broken so you have to go by how many games they played
TNT producers knew what they were doing when they made LeBron bald at the comparison 😂😂
That Kareem armchair is also a nice touch 😂
I've been watching the NBA since the late 80's. I told a friend of mine, way back, that nobody is passing that Kareem record because of the number of productive years a player has to play. I'm glad to have been proven wrong.
4 year head start straight out of high school in the weakest nba era.. Record stood no chance. period.
@@diffuser2459 The 2000s were the toughest NBA era and those Cavs were the most dreadful team you could possibly have.
@@dusk6159 lol got anymore jokes?
@@dusk6159 yeah I mean I don't want to say you don't know what you're talking about because you might be a great basketball fan but you're just wrong it's kind of opinion it's just wrong
@@diffuser2459 ppl forget how hard it is to last this long in the league. Then having to be ELITE for this long too is another aspect. Yes he did get a head start but he had to put in the work too.
Kenny is the greatest in saying something without saying anything
Agreed
He's the only person on the show who actually says insightful things. Chuck and Shaq just say what everyone is saying in the barbershop, except they're in the HoF, so it sounds much deeper.
😂
Not true..... Kenny hit the nail on the head.... Steph doesn't affect the game overall like Lebron/MJ/Kareem/etc. His team won 3 rings during his prime when he was winning regular season MVPS.... & he wasn't Finals MVP for any of them.... even placed THIRD in the '15 Finals.
Game one and Kenny is in mid season form of making absolutely no sense 😂😂😂
Kenny is always bullshitting around. Either non sensical, or obvious facts just to look smart. TNT messed up when they chose kenny
It never turns off he prob like that at home too lol
LOL underrated comment
@@lucky889s9 How could they have messed up when this is literally the best sports show ever created
@@emmanueloppong9778 nah, bus driver Kenny adds nothing to the show. The other 3 carried
Wilt was a Laker when he got the record. Kareem was a Laker when he got the record. Lebron is a Laker and will get the record.
f**k lebron . kareem didnt go to 3 teams
LeBron will leave soon. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
Wilt is the goat
and Lebron couldn't carry those two guys' shoes.
Illuminati 😂😂
This guy LeBron is just unbelievable. How is playing as his age. Its unheard before...
Yeah, 38 after 20 years of wear and tear is really where it's at though. I could definitely see him maintaining as he aged even into his 40s and older if he didn't have the miles on his body, which is something I have seen in UFC before when a 45 year was the top fighter in the company and still improving, but he also started at 34 so he didn't have the miles, but to do it a professional sport after over 20 years straight, while having to play literally EVERY DAY against in the best guys in the world is unheard of period. Most guys under 30 couldn't maintain themselves if they had the same kind of miles on them as Lebron has. What Lebron has done longevity wise might be the best record he's achieved, even though it's not official.
What Chuck said about King James truly makes him one of a kind, agreed!
One VERY under appreciated fact that Chuck was spot on about Lebron's greatness was that he rarely ever did got in trouble for anything on & off the basketball court!! Rest of the basketball legends typically do early on their careers!! No legit reason why Lebron should be hated!
didnt realize chuck showing some respect at bron
So happy that these four guys are back.
LeBron's average per game is still higher than Kareem's by 2.53 points and even though Kareen started at age 22 he still has over 2 full season worth of games played over LeBron right now. 192 in fact. So while Kareem was older when he first started LeBron is going to break the record in fewer games. This is just a longevity stat and nothing more.
An even more unbreakable record than this is LeBron's consecutive games with 10 or more points. Nobody is ever touching that.
LeBron has a higher usage rate as well. The ball is in his hands more often so he has more autonomy with the plays on offence. Something to consider as well. Context matters in these comparisons.
let's not forget also: Kareem, ONE three-pointer his entire career.....
@@bolder2009 Lebron is also top 10 all time in assists. So he's not ball hogging the ball like you would think for a top 10 scorer.
@@10ToesDownWithBass people seem to forget that. And I believe he's in the top 40 all-time in rebounding.
Totally agree and both have played 20 seasons and Lebron will get it done a lesser games than Kareem.
Number of games Lebron will do it in 100 less games Kareem played 20 years to stop it
Thank you I was just pointing that out.
Yup, LBJ has a better ppg (27.2 vs 24.6) at this current moment in time. Kareem was more dominant in his early years in terms of scoring, but after age 34 he never topped 25 ppg. Apart from his rookie year, Lebron has always scored greater than 25 ppg, and he would've gotten it much faster too if he hadn't been having injuries the past few years.
Kareem went to college…of course he’s gonna do in less games
@@boomboy2198Kareem going to college has nothing to do with Lebron breaking the record in less games than Kareem played in the nba.
@@boomboy2198 this is about the games played in the NBA genius. That doesn’t change anything. When you look at the time they both entered the league and count the amount of games lebron is about to score more than Kareem in much less games. This means he was scoring more not playing more games than Kareem
Anyone remember the OG "Run Through The Tape"???
A legend!
Chris Webber lol remember kids in life always run through the tape!
C-Webb for like a month agitated the sh** out of Kenny Smith. Dude couldn't even run to the video board right lol.
In my opinion, no one labels Kareem as the GOAT for being the 'All Time Leading Scorer.' So why should that make LeBron the GOAT?
@Tyler Holt well these debate shows and majority of people usually debate between LeBron and Jordan. Never heard much between debated between Kareem and Jordan.
MJ is the one and only GOAT 💯 You can’t leave context out and even with they, MJ is still the better overall player 🔥😎
Lol well some people do think Kareem the Goat and the all time leading scorer is not why people think Bron the goat because many people already think he is. This just further adds to it.
@Tyler Holt no they don’t. For the past 5 years, it’s been Jordan versus Lebron. So, why would passing Kareem make Lebron better than Jordan?
Your statement clearly shows how Kareem is disrespected
Shaq could have had so many more points. Passed Kareem? Not sure - but imagine if he was a little healthier in the latter half of his career. Goat either way
No healthier... judt didn't put in the work. He was overweight the last half of his career which shortened his prime. He himself has talked about it. Lebrons still as fit at 38 as he was at 18. He puts in the time & effort on his body.
How many more pts does Shaq have if he shoots 65% from the free throw line?
@@jessekittrell2946 Yeah, the big centers always seem to fall off earlier. Just being that tall and large makes it harder to have that longevity. Lebron puts in the work big time though, and I agree Shaq did not. Big guys usually have injury problems, and you can't have much of those if you want real good longevity as well.
If backhanded compliment was a person 😂 Sir Charles
Good to see the tnt team back for the season. Missed their commentary and humour
I would say Tim Duncan was great as advertised. Since day one the dude was a different beast.
Agreed.
Yeah, agree. But he was 21 and played College. Garnett, Kobe and Lebron only played highschool
@@mikkelborre9762 I don't understand why you brought that up that not even the context of what they're talking about.
true, duncan won his first ring as a rookie and won 5 rings overall, more than lebron and no one talks about him
@@johnnygband playing along side a David Robinson & hall of fame Coach surely helps! Unfortunately Lebron didn’t have that luxury in the beginning of his career.
There's nothing to debate, we're all great.
*they’re
@@THE-NC2 we're*
We're all black friends
@@KobaniacMinded well played....
No.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar has won on every level of basketball there is.people forget how great he was, and I’m not saying that he’s better than LBJ . but people have amnesia when it comes to how much he has accomplished.
he was 300ft tall though playing with amateurs
@@leonhughes9014 What are you talking about? don’t diminish what the man has done, you do that you disrespect every player that’s played in his era, no matter what you think of him his accomplishments don’t lie 6 regular season MVPs, 6 NBA titles, come on man, he’s been the scoring leader for over 30 years.
@@jallison5457 Im not , but that accomplishment was easier then.. also I can do whatever I want and say whatever I want... my opinion.. if you want control someone by a dog.. clown
@@leonhughes9014 Actually these accomplishments are easier to get now, the new NBA is soft, nobody plays defense, all they shoot are threes, the league puts more emphasis on scoring. and you can say whatever you want, but don’t take away from what Kareem has done Bcus he played in a different era.
@@jallison5457 its my opinion, end of.. u dont have to agree thats cool..
I think alot of people forget how scary LeBron was on the heat. He was an entire threat to everyone when he was on the court. greatest ever
Nobody forgets how scary LeBron was on the Heat. These were his legacy-defining first championships, and most people agree that his 2012-13 season is his best ever.
@EmmanuelStalling Nonetheless, LBJ himself said that AFTER he left the Heat and matured his game play...that was his best (learning to pass better, less ego, etc.). He said that part of them losing to Dalls in the Finals, was because of those. Respect
Dirk destroyed lebron so stop it
Actually it was his 2nd stint with the Cavs were he REALLY dominanted. Had the greatest individual Finals of all time.... led the entire Finals in PPG/RPG/APG/SPG/BPG while playing against the league MVP and the league DPOY 😳😳😳😳
@homomagii bahaha no he didn't. That team played through wade that season. It was his franchise, he was the elder, & he had won a ring.
After that Finals Wade even came out & said it needs to be Lebrons team if they are gonna win..... next season his shots went down while lebrons went up & what happened .... 🤔🤷🏼♂️
The greatest sports story of all time is two sisters from Compton hard courts playing each other in a Wimbledon final, and there isn't a close second.
When Lebron is gone he’s going to be missed hate him all you want but we’ll never see another like him he’s one of one
can't wait until he's gone maybe they will start giving other better players the attention they deserve
I was born two months after Kareem became #1 I'm scoring. I'm 38 right now, that's a lot of great players who have come and gone. LeBrons longevity, availability and consistency is crazy...
Great perspective Charles on how Lebron’s head start could be considered an edge, however this young man has been a trailblazer when it comes to the importance of consistency of conditioning throughout the years.
It’s not a great point, because statistically LeBron will have played LESS games.
Something all these ignorant people gloss over is LeBron has more career points. He’s had that for a while, this is just a silly regular season record.
LeBron will play over 100 games to get the record and almost 700 fewer shots
Actually it was terrible since Lebron is passing Kareem in less games & less shots.
Thank you Shaq for just answering the question👏👏👏
Chuck always keeps it real 💯
but he didnt have a 4 year head start, Kareem played 20 years just like this season for lebron.
Sir Chatles is my all time fave non Raptor. I would rather spend five minutes with Sir Charles than all day with anyone else. Twenty minutes with Sir Charles and Jack Armstrong would have me swooning myself into the grave. But then I am 80 y.o.
@@phatch5444 but he played 4 more years than bron and was older when he retired. plus this current NBA has no defence in regular season, everyday someone scores 50 or 70
Chuck is a hypocrite with two more chips he trying to put Steph above lebron on that logic bill Russell 🐐clear then he bigs up lebron while low key putting him down, everyone believes there era was the hardest 💀
Shaquille O'Neal spoke very well about LeBron
Barkley described James’ career best.
Chuck sounding like a Golden state fan...what
The boys are back in town
No doubt he's a legend not only as a player but as a person.
the fact won't change that he had acouple advantages coming straight from high school but it doesn't diminish what he has done he's not my goat but he would be in anybody's goat convo i think that's amazing in its own right 💯
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You guys did a great job on comments for There is a lot of worthy players but you narrowed the top 3 excellently. These skills set should imply defense and offense combinations of leadership endurance on and off court to inspire and grow into a stronger league.
Another factor the muddies the water is in Kareem’s time the game was played at a slower pace. So teams got fewer offensive possessions in a game. Over Kareem’s and LeBron’s long careers that could be quite a differential in shot opportunities. That’s why it’s so difficult to pit players against once another from different eras.
But kareem also played without shot clock violations. They would just keep passing to him till he makes it. Lebron is a magic type player who's just so talented he's gonna get 30 easily.
The 70s and 80s were factually a faster paced league than today. The 90s and 2000s were slower tho.
I think it’s difficult to compare eras because of rule changes. but actually the 70s and 80s was a faster pace game than than the 2000s. Either way you could argue LeBron had the luxury of shooting 3s and you could say Kareem had the luxury of sitting in the post to get his points with less energy used as he got older but both achievements from Kareem and LeBron are crazy and great.
@@greg2797 i’d say the task of guarding the three degrades the body faster, and I doubt Kareem would’ve been good at it, he had his skillset and that was good enough
Kareem has still taken more shots than bron
Folks are never gonna give this dude props. The good news is he’s gonna be Lebron if no one ever acknowledged this dude is the greatest to play the game. Not taking anything away from Steph.
If Curry ends up with 6 rings that would be crazy. He's had a large impact on the game too. As far as the game itself.
Yes. Buts a horrible impact. Everybody clonking threes.
I couldn’t agree more with Charles !!!
Chuck forgot about Tim Duncan. Duncan was also amazing his entire career, beginning as a rookie.
Timmy went to college. I think he’s talking about hyped high school players delivering from day 1
I never realized that Kareem was behind Lebron's pace in points by a few seasons almost all of his career.
Kareem was winning a championship with UCLA, Lbj didn’t go to college. He had more time to get NBA POINTS.
@@goddsunstephenson6484 he didn't have more time, he just started earlier and was better for longer.
Kareem played 200 more games than james, by the time james breaks the record, kareem will still have played in like 130 more games.
@@goddsunstephenson6484 right now, kareem has played 192 moregames than lebron. Lebron only needs to score 7 pts a game in those 192 games to tie kareem's accomplishment. I don't think asking for 7pts a game is outlandish to ask of lebron.....
@@bobzombie2710 lbj doesn’t have the rings to reach Kareems level.
@@goddsunstephenson6484 and lbj plays in a more talented more competitive era. Top 30 players in this leauge vs the top 30 players in kareems time….bottom 30 vs bottom 30 they are BUMS compared
Barkley nailed it.
LeBron James was born the same year Kareem Abdul-Jabbar broke the NBA All Time Scoring Record in 1984.
I could’ve listened to these guys talk about this topic for another 30 minutes
LeBron needs to 23ppg in around 58 games to be the all-time scoring champ. But I think what's important here is that he also needs to manage his playing time. He should be playing at around 30 mins per game as to not over-exert hos body and be ready when it matters most. Go LeBron.
35 mpg is likely.
I agree with Barkley, MJ is the greatest ever but Lebron probably has the most impressive story in terms of straight out of high school. His longevity is crazy.
I feel like people(myself included) think their is a definitive answer to these questions when there is not. So glad you have this balanced perspective, that is more factual than any debates going on.
chuck made no real point lebron and Kareem both played 20 years
Hakeem Olajuwon is one of the most slept on superstars of alltime no doubt. I got him as the greatest player of alltime even though this debate is very subjective because of the different era's.
Hakeem had many skills, footwork, agility, grace, power, IQ on both sides of the ball and court, adaptability, versatility and leadership. For a center he anchored the defense and he ran the offense, a former NBA player an all time great one of best power forwards of alltime named Kevin McHale once said Hakeem was one of the most freakiest players he has ever played against during his time because of the way he moved for a player who is nearly 7ft tall.
Hakeem's story for an nba player is very interesting too, he started really focusing on basketball at the age 15 when he mostly played soccer. He credits playing soccer for helping him as a basketball player.
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@@bolo5190 Hakeem definitely had an underrated career
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aside from games played, pace and degree of defense also factors in, its too hard to compare stats.
unless it supports my case
Greatest gm/player ever 😂
Chuck making nice with the Dubs fans! LOL it's a new day...
Chuck makes a good point with the curry convo
with the fact that kareem was not permitted to turn pro at 18 as well
lebron would would be nowhere NEAR the record otherwise
@@futuretimetraveller8677 kareem has played more games than LeBron
@@him1019 many of them when he was 39 40 41 42 yrs old and no longer effective averaging12 pts pergame
if ha had played from 18-22 instead lebron would not be close
also lebron has played many more games than jordan so how do you forget THAT point in your arguments??? 🤷♂
@@futuretimetraveller8677 i wasnt talking about Jordan. Thats why i didnt bring him up. And it doesnt matter when he played those extra games. Kareem still played more games and was getting points in those games
@@him1019 it DOES matter when he played the extra games because he was old and not scoring as much as he would have at ages 18-22
simple logic
lebron would not be close if kareem had been permitted to enter the nba at age 18
lol the hair I’m dead
I cant understand a word Shaq grunts
Imagine if Kareem came in at 18😳. That's an extra 6 years of points.
Extra 4
@@Barnabus007 I wonder how many points he scored in College.
@@Barnabus007 I saw Kareem starting the nba at 25
@@priztucker I mean we could look it up, but I don't think it equals potential NBA points
@@priztucker I don't think man..not arguing, just saying I think his rookie season was 69 and he was born in 47
This probably one of the only comment sections where I see sensible basketball talk.
The writing has been on the wall for all these longevity stats since removing the college requirement, that's 4 extra seasons of stats that LeBron had over Kareem who 100% could have played straight out of highschool, the man broke the college game. Longevity stats are not impressive anymore because everyone doesn't even get to start at the same point, it's like changing the unit of measurement in a race, you can't take the results seriously once you do that.
Still crazy how an 18 yr old dominated the league off rip😊
LeBron is a better all around player
@@jacobvalenzuela6714 How did that translate to winning compared to others? I'd rather take a specialist who affects winning more, and winds up winning 5 championships in 6 Finals over a jack of all trades who also affects winning greatly but only manages to win 4 times out of 10
@@ShutThePuck bro he can make a bunch of make-a-wish kids title contenders, who did LeBron have? Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Mo Williams? On the other hand Kareem had Magic and Big games James. I think they’re both great but you’re statement is wrong about longevity. It has gotten slightly less valuable but the fact LeBron is still averaging 26-27 ppg at his age is crazy
@@ShutThePuck Also how is LeBron beating the justice league?
It will be the single greatest achievement in ball history.
😂🤣
The man with the sky hook
I don't know the result but what if you factored games played and assist (aka points responsible for)....
To me, I go back and forth on the GOAT between MJ, Kareem and Bron. I said back in 2019 when Bron joined the Lakers that he would have to do 3 of the 4 following things in order to be the GOAT in my eyes:
1. Win another Championship✅
2. Win another MVP (was top 5 candidates 2 years in row since 2019)
3. Become Top 5 all time in assists (needs 282 assists to become top 5)
4. Become all time leading scorer (1,294 points away from that)
how would any of those things make him "suddenly" a better player than jordan ...or anyone else for that matter
how good someone is we already see way before we see stats so ...🤷♂
@@futuretimetraveller8677 that's just my criteria 🤷🏽♂️
This is just a longevity criteria, it doesn't mean anything unless he's leading his teams to titles. Nobody cares about being top 5 this or top 10 that in specific statistical categories. Those are just trivial career achievement records, they are nowhere near the most vital aspects of a GOAT worthy resume.
@@QuestionEverything562 they are reaching for straws bro
@@QuestionEverything562 everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I just look at the totality of it all
Caveat. That all-star jordan had wasn't just an all-star. It was a top 10 in the league player.
But he wasn't an all-star in the season that the Bulls won their first chip. Jordan was the ONLY all-star on the 1990/91 Bulls. And Pip was out for much of the Bulls last championship winning season. Also injured during the 98 finals series. Another caveat.
Shaq, Lakers Nation here, one Love, Kobe R.I.P.
They ALL are great . . . Let's stop comparing them
Greatest sports story ever told...kid comes in, really exceptionally great player.. can't get it done, shops himself out to franchise's willing to build super teams with him, goes on to have a good 2nd place career...won three real championships and beat 2nd line up heat at Disney land...not bad
Hopefully LeBron put the record way out of reach. So it would be his record forever 🐐🔥
For some reason I couldn't shake the thought: why didn't they use a bar graph for that stats segment?
I wasn’t born for bill but the way they leave him out like he don’t got 11 chips is wild 😂
Barkley comment are spot on. Please break down this by number of game played. It's getting more opportunities to score more points.. and finally.. the game is easier today
Lol well Kareem played more games.
couldn't agree more. Kareem got his points in the paint, through free throws so you wonder how many of LeBron's points came from free throws and dunks. Kareem also dealt with injuries so point total could have been a lot higher 😀. Anyway, both players have been great for the NBA and as role models.
@@FireAngelChris about MJ?
@@FireAngelChris where did you find this stat?
bottom line is kareem played in an era where there was no "load management" i.e. getting paid for nothing
kareem would still be way ahead if he played from age 18
wouldnt be close
@@futuretimetraveller8677 lol ok and he didn’t and he not ahead. That factual stat can be found in NBA stats department. I am not sure why Bron passing up a great like kareem bothers people so much. People doing everything they can to pretend this isn’t impressive. It took over 30 years for someone to he great enough to break it.
4 years is head start is true.
Thats why Mj Kareem and Bron are the goats.
You can pick whoever you like the most as the one.
Charles, if you go by games played, kareem still has 200 games more than LeBron 😂😂
Facts. These old heads need to understand how stats and numbers work
And he acts like coming into the NBA as a teenager is an advantage.
Kobe was great but look at his NBA stats as a teenager. LeBron is just special.
Yet less chip, less MVP, more bronze medal with team USA
@@zinjgreen3398 why are you talking about chips and MVPs? This discussion is about total points. Charles was wrong lol
@@greg2797 does it hurt Lebron's legacy? He also had the most regular saason double digit in scoring, playoffs not included because he scored 8 points in the Finals and 7 points against the Pacers😂
It will be a great Moment!!!! Still not the greatest but he is Great!!! Kareem will be greater to me always ❤❤
There wasn't a 3 point line until the 1979-80 season. After Kareem had already been in the league for 10 years.
Bron is great all around and quite consistent, and great with the nba office politics, but nobody is afraid of him in the nba on or off court.
Charles Barkley hit the nail on the head with the final question on the biggest threat to Lebron’s legacy and claim to the GOAT debate.
If Steph were to retire with 6 rings there would be questions about why another superstar won more rings in the same era all while staying on the same team while Lebron has bounced around chasing more talent. People would point out that Steph has the era defining skill set and that the league changed based on his play style and we’d be asking whether we’re sure Lebron is even the best player in his era.
Nah because championships are team accolades(if lebron would have been on gs with a coach and gm with brain and klay dray and kd it would have been over) !
Look at the personal accolades like all defense teams mvps fmvps assits leader all nba first team and tell me again that it is debatable…. Curry fans are a different breed
That’s if we aren’t using context. Two of those rings he won were with the best team ever assembled and the other was when Lebron had his two best teammates injured.
@@PandainAtlanta and two of Lebrons rings he was one of 3 all stars on his team at a time where you’d struggle to find more than a few teams with two. Especially in the East.
@@newrecruit100 You’re 100% right I’m not negating that, but to insist that that team is equivalent to the KD warriors is insane. That’s the only reason I don’t have Curry over Lebron in this Era . If Curry would’ve beat Lebron in 2017 with out KD he prolly would have.
@@pulhubt as a curry fan i have never thought that curry even touches lebron in any debate outside of the obvious shooting and dribbling but its not on curry that he was drafted into a better situation and the warriors also wouldnt be the same with bron bc they not getting those top 10-15 picks and they were a franshise in the mud besides the year they beat the mavs in the first round. lebron with good ownership and coaching would probably be the goat rn but everybodys careers are just very situational.
points have values...kareem pts and the others were hard earned... lebums pts were from 1st to 3rd qtr and become passive in the 4th....
4:03 1 of few valid points chuck made💀^
😅 the gray beard 🧔🏾♂️🧔🏿♂️
Times has sure change to see Chuck back Steph more than Kenny at the end
Barkley made a great point...
for someone that literally changed the game is played globally, i dont think kenny understands chucks question.
It's crazy how in certain aspects, Steph is STILL underrated. Chuck asked a legit question. What if Steph wins another 2 titles? Heck it's possible he could win another MVP on top of that. You gotta start at least having a discussion about top 5 ever at that point. He's already the #2 point gaurd ever IMO.
He would have to be dominate in those finals runs to put him there, if he wins 2 more in the fashion he did this last one I dont think that would put him top 5
Bro steph has nvr had to be actually lead a team he’s always been surrounded by great players he wins because of team success mike Kobe bron etc where the reasons there team won
@@dontaefreeman1816 how tf wasn't Steph the reason they won last year?
Best sports story are the underdog stories, that turn to greatness, from like 8th seed to multiple champs. To putting fear in your opponents to winning the most in less time
He was an underdog. He carried a franchise as an 18 year old born of a teenage mother. He could have had so many pitfalls. No father single mother. Everything he understood about the game he learned on his own. He was a millionaire at 18 with control of his money. Like he is not broke he is a billionaire now. His story is amazing.
@@Eb-dw3tq an underdog…is not the person everyone expects to be great lol that’s not how it works
@@therealkid617 In life he was an underdog. He was born to a 16 year old single mother. How much underdog do you get??😂😂
@@Eb-dw3tq we talking about nba and basketball, not outside of basketball stay with it
@@Eb-dw3tq cristiano ronaldo is more underdog than him. muhammad ali was more underdog than lebron.
I thought Kenny quit after the Blake shooting
Don’t forget the sky hooks
Tim Duncan outplayed LeBron in the finals (arguably Kawhi as well in ‘14)... Dirk outplayed LeBron in the finals... KD outplayed LeBron in the finals (albeit on the Warriors), Paul Pierce outplayed LeBron in a series, Dwight outplayed LeBron in a series, I can’t really think of a series other than Orlando in 95 when Shaq outplayed MJ after the baseball sojourn. LBJ is special but often not the dominant individual that MJ was all the time.
coz he is playing team basketball
Paul Pierce didn't outplay LeBron in 2008 or 2010. He had a better team around him.
The Dwight one in 2009 yea I might agree with that. Dwight was on a tear that year.
Dirk in 2011 year I can't even argue that.
KD? I'm assuming you're talking '17 and '18 when he had a stacked deck. LeBron outplayed in him in '12 tho.
U just lied Duncan had a way better team the first time Dwight my favorite player but no he did not outplay Bron Bron outplayed kawhi and it’s not close
Why did you lie like this ??
@@anthonyanderson9303 Bron average 38/8/8 on 48% to Dwight 25 in Ho shape or form did he get outplay by Dwight test series. Aside from 2011 every series this dude listed Bron had an inferior team
Bill Russell is the greatest of all time! R.I.P. to the lord of the rings 💍
When Kenny said his top three that was a big statement….