The Dino 246 and 308 GT4 Were Not "Less-Than" Ferraris - Revelations with Jason Cammisa Ep. 31
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2023
- Popular lore has taken an out-of-context quote from Enzo Ferrari that "a Ferrari is a twelve-cylinder car" to mean that Il Commendatore thought any car with fewer than twelve cylinders is not worthy of the Ferrari badge. And thus, the Dino Ferraris aren't real Ferraris.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Dino was the name of Ferrari's only one legitimate son, who died young at the merciless hands of Muscular Dystrophy. Dino himself was named after Enzo's father and older brother, both of whom died when Enzo was a teenager.
The "Dino" badge wasn't an insult - it was an honor. And it adorns two of the best-driving Ferrari road cars ever created.
In this episode, automotive journalist Jason Cammisa explains the history of Enzo's Double Ds - the 206/246 Dino and the 308 GT4 Dino - and how they both foretold the future of Ferrari's road cars, both in layout (mid-engine sports car) and in engine (with the 308 GT4's flat-plane-crankshaft V-8.)
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17:37 “I never thought a son could leave his father a legacy, but my son did”
So much pain and emotion summed up in so little words.
I cried when he said that
@@rudrakshmishra2761 Me too.
Yup brother ..
Same here😢
Same here. I should add I also had tears of joy, because as a father, I understand how proud he was of his son. A life cut short, but well lived.
Another tidbit that ads to the Dino legacy, according to Carol Shelby, who considered Dino a close friend, Dino cared far more about road going sports cars than his father, so it's absolutely fitting that 2 of the best driving Ferrari road cars of all time bear his name. To quote old man Shelby, "...I sometimes dream about a world where Dino lived longer, in that world, Ferrari road cars might very well have lived up to their legend."
shed a tear reading about this.
Funny guy that Shelby. Ferrari road cars ended up far surpassing their legend while he could never emancipate and be more than a factory tunner.
@@AI-qd4vb Shelby may be just a factory runner, but he's well humble enough. The Cobra will always be Cobra and for what it is, I see Shelby and then-Ferrari as friends of its time.
And also, his legacy never stuck with just his brand. The Ford Mustang you know today would have never existed without him, and the GT40/GT, and the Cobra's spiritual successor, Dodge Viper.
Now tell me how funny it is to have that much of a legacy of his as just a factory runner.
@@AI-qd4vb Lol any and every car here touched became incredible. Don't forget he was the one who conceptualized the Dodge Viper (couldn't call it Cobra for obvious reasons but still gave it a snake name).
@@donnycorn3086 The man pissed pure unadulterated greatness and there's helium heads still hating, which says it all.
There are not enough superlatives to praise this production. Fantastically researched and presented. Thank you 🙏
I second this
Hear, hear.
I third that!!!
I simply cannot overstate how awesome Cammisa's "Revelations" series is. The only thing wrong with them is there aren't more of them.
He’d be able to do more if he didn’t have to have an example of the car in question in the studio for shooting, then do the driving clip at the end…. id guess that’s the limiting factor
@@stanza77I don't want to see more car TH-camrs just doing the talking in front of the mic like Aidan Millward. I want to see more of Jason/Hagerty and JayEmm On Cars, those are more realistic.
Revelations videos are the only ones I watch in fullscreen mode on my pc
Oddly relatable
They’re even better on my TV
These are the ones I watch on a 70 inch TV. The wife loves them even more…
The aspect ratio is perfect for a modern widescreen phone
SAME HERE. high quality content and entertainment from a guy that can drive and understands fun from cars, whether costly or affordable.
Jason is, bar none, the best automotive presenter in the internet; thanks for this episode, and for the Revelations series!
agreed
i dont think you heard of jeremy clarkson
@@ohexraIn the olden days, I'd pick Jeremy over Jason. Not anymore this day, especially with the current TGT era.
@@ohexra Clarkson was an entertainer. Still is actually. His automotive insights were inaccurate to put it mildly. UK has loads of better car reviewers than him. Tiff Needell was far superior in FG for starters.
@@ohexra Clarkson was entertaining but I don't even watch him anymore and I don't believe he has ever held the integrity that Cammisa does. Cammisa over Clarkson all day, every day.
I love that Jason's job has basically become "Re-educating the public on dumb stories Jeremy Clarkson once told".
Not gonna make any difference since most people, especially the hardcore CHM/TGT fanboys, always believe with Clarkson.
@@farishanafiah8461 You deserve an award for this comment! Made my day!
I'm of the Opinion that Camissa is the Closest thing we'll see to another Clarkson, he's got the flair and the knowledge and lacks the majority of the problematic stuff. He's just a brilliant entertainer.
When did Top Gear do a bio on either the Dino or 308? I remember Hammonds yellow one on the Slough run, and Clarkson raced that Skoda against the GTO. Camissas’ docs are pretty original there mate!
@@guitarzzeroit was that cheap Supercar challenge where Hammond had a 308 GT4. Clarkson was the one that said that they named it Dino because it was slow. Kinda funny to the general public until you learn the actual history like this video did.
The 246 Dino is, in my eyes, the most beautiful Ferrari. A fitting tribute for a Father's love for his Son.
It's not a Ferrari. It's a Dino
@@isluderea8322 even though, it's prettier than every Ferrari that was ever made
@@HAROINOIR not for me. For me there a a lot of better looking Ferraris... 250 GT SWB, 250 GTO, F40, 288 GTO, 275 GTB/4, Daytona...
@isluderea8322 I agreed with you till you said F40. 246 is much better
Just pretty
Finally someone who gave the Dino the recognition it deserved. Thank you Jason.
That is for US market because in Europe we all already knew the story..
@@poplaurentiu4148 Wait, you guys knew all along???
@@benjaminmatute9085 Well not just those who lived in italy, but plenty people from different countries of Europe infected with microfobia of any fresh news for cars/racing cars/etc - (yep it was and apparently for some still is quite a spread disease), so many knew plenty bits to picture a more clear image but J.Camisa managed to tell the story here in a much more positive way..
@@poplaurentiu4148 Ah, thanks for the info!
jason is the only man who can make me click in the video 40s after it gets released
That has more to do with you checking TH-cam in that moment
That was one awesome story
Jason the🐐
Him Clarkson are theeeee best story tellers in the game. I could watch them for hours!
@@hexgraphicaor having the notifications on for hagerty which i do just for Cammisa.
This is easily one of the best and most memorable car video “docs” I’ve ever seen.
1. History Lesson
2. Documented facts
3. Emotive content
4. Humor
5. Perspective from presentor and the subject being documented
Even the last bit with the driver pov and sounds…
TOP NOTCH!
That bit about Enzo growing old with a dead son and his son leaving him a legacy, was both sublime and devastating.
Great video. I have to say that I completely understand Enzo’s depth of grief and pain over the loss of his son Alfredino. My son died on Dec 26th 2020. That pain never ever goes away. It may subside a little but it NEVER goes away.
Sorry for your loss.
Condolences to you for your loss.
Deepest condolences to all
My all time fave Ferraris
No father should ever have to bury their children. Hope you find peace, my friend.
Finally another Revelations Episode 😍
I lost my dad 2 yrs ago and having enjoyed a million race sundays with him, this episode about a father's love to his son hit deep man. Thanks boys and Jason for another beautiful story told.
As amazing as this episode was, your revelations about Enzo's emotions towards his son really hit home for me. I don't have a kid but makes my heart tremble for my father! I honestly appreciate it!
The car world without Jason , I don’t even want to imagine that…
The car world wouldn’t survive
You mean elegant Jerry Lewis? 😅
@@pimpovic2HEY! THATS DISCOUNT ADAM SANDLER TO YOU! Show the man some respect! 😂
Man, do you guys like to keep us desperate for this incredible content. I feel like a toddler on Christmas day whenever a new episode pops into my feed. As a father of a 22 year old boy, I can't even comprehend the insurmountable pain of such a crushing loss. While nothing can assuage the sorrow, the original Dino is just heart achingly beautiful and such a stunning tribute to a young man taken so soon. Hats off to Hagerty, Jason and the crew for these videos that should be kept in an archive for future generations.
The end-of-video driving sequences are such gold, something that most car shows ignore - what it's actually like behind the wheel.
Agreed. So much better than one famous nonstop yakker who is so amped up with the sound of his own voice you never get to hear what the amazing car he's driving sounds like and experience its magic. Cammisa nails it
Nobody seems to care about the red light on the dashboard that comes and goles as thottle goes carefully released en curves?
Buen who caros if ITS enjoyabe AF
I remember the first time I ever saw a Dino, it was with my father. He explained to me that it wasn't "really" a Ferrari, though I most certainly could tell by looks alone that it was. I am flying out tonight for my fathers celebration of life and can't express how wonderful the timing of this Revelations is. Thank you Jason.
Another wonder history lesson. Jason is the automotive equivalent of that teacher you actually listened too in school. He's that good.
The sounds this V6 makes it's just so beautiful
the V8 sounds better. 246 looks better though.
@@TML34 true
But i think the V6 is more impressive bc it's kinda hard to make a good sounding V6
Ya the V6 sounds much more alive than the V8. At least for me.
@@manoharjishnu2009 A throaty little V6 with short gears and loud intake noises will do that, apparently. I got goosebumps every time I went back to rewatch the 246 at the end. That sounds absolutely incredible, but I need a break after that. Having goosebumps for so long doesn't feel healthy
@@TML34Have you heard that V6 in the Stratos? If not you should look it up. Significantly better than the V8 imo…
The 246 GT Dino is my 2nd favourite Ferrari of all time, after the 275 GTB/4. The story of how it came to be is just beautiful too, Enzo was such a great man on many levels. That quote about how his son left him a legacy made me pretty emotional.
The 246GT is a Dino not a Ferrari
I fell in love with the Dino after reading about it in the cannonball book and then googling it to be met with a picture of a dark blue one with a tobacco interior. The 308 has been growing on me.
I really love the 208/308 model, like its sister, the Lamborghini Urraco both from Bertone/Gandini. A departure from the mostly Pininfarina designed cars. The trust was won back by Leonardo Fioravanti at Pininfarina whom Enzo really trusted. The 512BB, 308/328, GTO, F40 came from him, as did the Dino and Daytona in earlier years.
"It was the winter of 1918-1919, extremely rigid, I remember it with great sorrow. I was on the streets, clothes freezing solid on me. Walking through Parco del Valentino, after brushing away the snow with my hand, I let myself go on a bench. I was alone, my father and brother were no more. Despondency won me, and I cried" (Enzo Ferrari, on being rejected by FIAT)
The name "Dino" meant everything to Ferrari. It was the legacy of his family, and in many ways, the way forward for the company he had poured his heart and soul into. With FIAT's backing, the company that had once rejected him, it meant that Scuderia Ferrari was safe and the work of his lifetime would go on. It was one last farewell to his son.
The story of Enzo's son hit me like a truck, being a father myself. And as always, thank you and keep up the fantastic work, Jason!
I find it incredibly fitting that the most elegantly beautiful roadgoing Ferrari (even if it never got the badge) got it's heart and name from Enzo's child as much in his honor and memory as through his own accomplishments.
Stoked to see Cammisa's own 308 GT4 get an episode for itself! Keep the incredible content up, always makes my day to see a new episode in my feed
Yessss!!! But seeing him wrestle that beauty on tight canyon roads in fog with no guardrails gives me anxiety!
I kept thinking about this when Jason talked about it on the Carmudgeon show and oh boy did that quote by Enzo Ferrari hit hard. Thank you Jason for another amazing Revelations episode
18:23 There’s no better reward to watch a full length video than these. The hairs on the back of my neck stood up just by hearing and watching these machines. Thank you all for your insight and understanding of car guys.
Love the videos! I love the fact that at the end of the video, he actually drives the cars WITHOUT music ruining the engine sound. Keep them coming Hagerty and Jason.
As a carmudgeon show watcher I was looking forward to this episode ♥️
A man of culture 😊😎
Advertising the Hagerty Driver's Club & roadside assistance using the newly acquired Rover in the background was a nice touch
Smile coming from a Dino family from 206sp that won targa florio , 246gts and my current GT4 the I was brought home in from the hospital when I was born! Thanks Jason (and hyphen for bringing that car to you)
A world wide lesson to respect and acknowledge what Dino Ferrari means after all this time. Outstanding material as always
Jason driving the 246 swiftly vs absolutely caning the 308 because he owns it 😂
The pinnacle of automotive journalism. I really like how the storyline ended with the son's legacy bit.
Jason Cammisa has to be one of the most underrated journalist in my opinion. The way he can mess around and still delivery 100% facts without producing crummy content. Keep it up man! Been watching this guy since high-school lol makes me miss when motor-trend wasn’t trying to be so trendy. Always wanting more of this series lol👀
The music, the editing , the script , the whole production of these videos are a masterpiece !! Congrats to all the people involved . Cheers from Brazil.
Finally, more audio of just driving the cars. No music, no dialogue, just pure automotive bliss. Should be much more footage of this, please. Alan DeCadenet in the Victory by Design series was the all-time legend for this. Brings tears to your eyes.
Agreed on Victory by Design - great series. RIP Alain de Cadenet
Awesome video! The 3.0 carbed V8 is magnificent!
2.9*
Jason is the only guy where I think hard before clicking, because I need to make sure I allocate quality time to enjoy his work.
Wonderful. Thanks, Jason and crew. Thanks also for having enough sense to not utter a single word over the sound of those engines.
I'm always excited to see new Jason Cammisa videos, keep them coming!
Yet another fantastic Jason Cammisa video. The guy is a future legend.
I really liked the Canadian hatchback cameo 😆 Loving the Easter eggs, the selection of beautiful historic cars, and the tailored soundtracks of each episode. Thanx Hagerty team ☺
This is some of the best automotive content available. Fantastic writing and information. Thank you for all the effort. It’s really appreciated.
Excellent reporting as usual, Jason. You are a great talent and your passion for automobiles and history shine through! Keep it coming!
What a great man Enzo was. He was difficult, they say, but he was what life made him. Nothing stop him making his name and brand immortal. Grazie, Commendatore.
Always a tremendous pleasure seeing Jason
The last 2 minutes gave me chills, especially that 308, my God I love a good sounding engine.
Awesome content, thank you for this one Hagerty and Jason!
The influence of the Dino 246 is all over the new 296 GTB. Beautiful cars.
Great video! Loved the story, really makes me wish I’d purchased a Dino 10 years ago when they were relatively affordable
I heard Jason talk about this on the podcast so I’ve been waiting for it. Great episode!
I wish you uploaded more often. I really like your delivery & story telling. I learn so much about these legendary cars.
Thank You! 👍🏻👍🏻
However you feel about Enzo, his devotion to his son speaks volumes about his character as a man. As much as he loved racing, he loved his son even more.
I think Enzo was misunderstood person
Not gonna lie, that Enzo quote about legacy made me tear up a bit🥺.
There is three things I love about your videos, the knowledge you provde, the fun style how you provide, and with the quality which is TV/Movie like. I love these. :) Keep it up!
Jason, awesome story & topic. Loved the presentation as well. Anthony, as always you deliver fantastic editing and cinematography. You guys and your team rock!!!
The Dino 206/246 is a glorious car. It looks incredible and that V6 is a great engine. All i need now is money. Lots and lots of money.
I worked for Autosport Magazine in the early 80’s, looking after classified ads. One of my regular clients had a 246 Dino for sale for £3995 and he just couldn’t sell it.
I thought long and hard about it and it wasn’t feasible for a junior ad sales guy… 🤨
If only you’d known 😢
What a well told story. I used to walk by a parking garage in Boston's north end that held a beautiful red Dino. The video reminded me of early Petrolicus videos. Really nice.
Another fantastic video! Thank you to you and your team, Jason.
In 1997, I spent every dime I had and even got a loan to purchase a 1980 Ferrari 308 GTSi. It was a very impractical decision as I should have got a property, which was a lot better for my future. However, I don't have regrets as I can one day tell my grandchildren that I used to own a cool Ferrari when I was in my 20s. Now, that is a great story to tell. No regrets.
I learned a lot from this video!
Sublimely well-done..from start to finish; totally worth the wait!
The V6 sounds really good from the camera on the Trunk Lid, under which the engine resides.....
The V8, like Jason said in the podcast, sounds like a 4-cyl but a really good 4-cyl, and to me it sounds like a Honda Sports Car 4-cyl without V-TEC and a screaming high redline.
Incredible work on the story, Jason, respect your and your team's effort behind the scenes that you put into reading through a lot of articles, books magazines and presenting it in a humorous yet informational way to the public.
All that said, for what ducking reason did you stop Know It All? We all loved it, cos we got to learn and laugh through each one of those short videos that we get to learn important stuff that we'd have never learnt otherwise... And the icing on that cake is the way you explained everything... Simple language, easy to understand, funny enough sometimes to remember for a whole lifetime. All I ask for is to bring it back, because, that's probably the only way I'd love to learn car stuff while laugh till i get a stomach ache.
Appreciate your effort guys!
Absolutely GREAT video!! And more importantly...GREAT legs!! LOL! Pass the Alfredino, please...😋
Carmudgeon listeners knew this was coming... And the next one
I am watering at my jowls waiting for the next episode featuring the Lotus Elan and Mazda Miata
So mad I missed this episode as soon as it released. Love all the Revelation episodes.
Amazing video! The quality, research, humor, and production quality is beyond anyone else. Great job guys
To this day I still cringe when I re-watch that TG Cheap Italian Supercars bit and JC starts going on about how Hammond's car "isn't truly a Ferrari". First off, he's driving, more or less, a Citroen with a Maserati-badge in that film (gorgeous car, all the same), so he shouldn't be talking about badges. Secondly, it could say "Super Mario" on the badge of both the 308 GT4 and the 246 and they'd still be awesome cars. Plus: Hasn't the 246 been one of the most desirable vintage Ferraris, fetching ridiculous prices since ... forever?
OTOH, I just checked current GT4 prices and those haven't *really* budged all that much since TG made that film. Even 3-liter examples in very good condition (judging from the pics and descriptions) can be had for 40k to 70k over here in Europe. It might sound a bit silly, but maybe that's precisely because of that TG-film where we were being told that the GT4 was "the wrong car".
Oh, and lastly: Let's not forget which car in that film was in the best ... err.. least worst shape and did last the longest and that when it went out, it didn't suffer a disintegrating engine. I seem to remember that Hammond bought that car off the production company afterwards and restored and kept it. The Maserati OTOH went to a scrap-yard dealer - I do remember finding it for sale on their website back in the day and they did, BTW, confirm that it was an actual SS, not a regular Merak with an SS-badge.
It's almost as if real car enthusiasts don't take what Clarkson says as the absolute truth. Sadly, I don't think that was even the purpose of the original Top Gear. It's blindingly obvious that the viewers were expected to take everything said (by any of them!) with a pinch of salt. Sadly, not everyone did, and are taking what Clarkson said as the undeniable truth.
Cammisa w/ Pobst combo are the only Auto Journalists that have magic that comes close to Clarkson, Hammond, and May.
EVERYTHING you do is incredible mate. Merci.
I follow so many TH-cam channels and I’m always desperate for a new video from Jason. I always say they are like short super well produced movies. Incredible quality and awesome content.
I'm sorry jason that it took me an hour to click on this video.
I’ll forgive you this time.
never this early lol
Jason is the best auto journal in the business. The depth of automotive geekiness coupled with entertaining wit. I was hit by the “thunderbolt” at age 10, War Memorial Auditorium Car Show in Fort Lauderdale, 1976. I became a Dino fan first and foremost. I never owned one but did own a 308 GTSi and Mondial T Coupe. A 914-6 was the closest I ever got to it as far as a direct competitor. Guess there’s no surprise my daily is a 981S Cayman and my garage trophy is a GT4RS. For me, all automotive roads lead to the Dino underdog to its bigger brother recipe.
As usual masterful production, writing and presentation by the Hagerty team and Jason
You cannot pump out videos fast enough, insane content
I had a Dino 246gt - it came with shields and a boot badge and because I live in the UK and anyone who drives a Ferrari is an instant W**k*r and they let you know by shouting it constantly - I took them off - and it worked - I mean I might be a W**k*r but at least no-one shouted it at me - I eventually crashed it like most idiots do. I sold it for scrap circa 2001 - and that was another idiotic mistake. When I had a Venturi A300 Atlantique everyone loved it, as did the TVR Cerbera I had - so what is it about a Ferrari - and it has to be one where they can see the badges?
The snobbery of Enzo himself lives on
Great choice of cars!
@nelsonclub7722 Envious people, and maybe extra sensitive in the UK because of the "garagistas" comment. OK i guess that was snobbish 😂
@@delahayenator Thanks for the reply - i', with you on that - envy - I forgot to say I took it to Italy and I was mobbed - nothing but admiration
Once again, thank you for the part at the end with pure car sounds.
I love every episode of revelations and I only hope that they never stop making them
Recently started down a rabbit-hole with this show. I've been power watching these videos. I love Jason's reporting style and presentation.
Jason’s videos are the only TH-cam videos I watch on the TV full screen … he is worth it
Hagerty, more Cammisa videos please. His presentation style is fun, informative, quirky and he is simply one of the best automotive presenters on TH-cam.
Man what ever happened to Petrolicious? Those driving clips really took me back. Thanks for taking the charge with top tier automotive content Hagerty!
I love this series, I always look forward to them! Thanks!
thank you for the history lesson Jason. Wonderful video. Great production quality!
Superb show, Jason. I really appreciate how you dig into the real stories beneath the easy story.
Oh, and that unadulterated video of the 308 being hustled made my hair stand on end. Thank you brother.
More Jason more Revelations hes a gem this show is amazing and the presentation is top notch
At 16:51, It's something simple, but for me as a car fan it's an honor that my illustrations have appeared in a video of yours. I appreciate that you have put a mention, (although it has a typographical error, CBCarillustrations instead of the real DBCarillustrations, but it is understood that they wanted to do it, this really made my day a lot. Gettings from Chile 😊
One of VERY few professional grade TV shows on TH-cam. Jason is an American treasure!
Beautiful cars, thanks for the video. This reminded me of the Peter Egan tale of driving a 246 from Wisconsin westward in the middle of winter.
I just came across this video and now I feel like I will have to watch every single episode. So good.
As always, outstanding content friend. The knowledge/entertainment combination is absolutely fantastic.
This man Camissa, I'm telling you, he's a car enthusiast treasure. The production and storytelling is extremely well done.
great video and thanky ou for not putting any music over the dino engine sound at the end , beautiful !
Just love the cars…both of them and the highly entertaining, well made, well thought out video…passion made visible
Holy smokes, congratulations on producing some of the greatest automotive content ever this side of Victory by Design!! Thanks for the no nonsense presentation!